[12:02] <AstralJava> It's an ATI 9000 Radeon Mobility.
[12:02] <zyga> same here
[12:03] <AstralJava> Okay, just some of the error messages pointed towards KDE
[12:03] <zyga> do you use fglrx?
[12:03] <zyga> hmm
[12:03] <AstralJava> Yeah.
[12:03] <zyga> I've double checked
[12:03] <AstralJava> celestia: WARNING: Can't open /home/jaska/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
[12:03] <zyga> celestia is the kde frontend
[12:03] <AstralJava> Okay.
[12:03] <zyga> celestia-gnome is the gnome frontend
[12:03] <AstralJava> Right on.
[12:03] <zyga> (really stiupid IMHO)
[12:03] <zyga> did it crash in the end?
[12:04] <AstralJava> It did.
[12:04] <AstralJava> celestia: ERROR: Communication problem with celestia, it probably crashed.
[12:04] <zyga> okay thanks
[12:04] <AstralJava> No prob.
[02:19] <ajmitch> morning
[03:17] <bddebian> must  fix   more    bugs
[03:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: got to catch up with me now? ;)
[03:17] <bddebian> Did you pass me?
[03:17] <ajmitch> yep
[03:17] <bddebian> @#$%^%&#$\
[03:17] <ajmitch> I was ahead in karma by about 150 yesterday
[03:17] <bddebian> Damnit
[03:18] <ajmitch> fixed a few more since then
[03:18] <bddebian> WTF d00d
[03:18] <bddebian> Guess I'm not playing video games tonight ;-P
[03:19] <ajmitch> got a few more on my list to fix once the syncs come through
[03:19] <ajmitch> and others that are almost there ;0
[03:19] <bddebian> What are we up/down to?
[03:19] <ajmitch> back up to 503 open
[03:19] <bddebian> fux
[03:19] <ajmitch> 506 now
[03:19] <ajmitch> people keep reporting more bugs
[03:19] <bddebian> WHAT?
[03:19] <bddebian> Grrr
[03:20] <ajmitch> haha
[03:20] <ajmitch> that's expected :)
[03:21] <bddebian> I think you should help my dumb ass with gnat-gps
[03:21] <ajmitch> why?
[03:21] <bddebian> To get it off the UnmetDeps list
[03:23] <bddebian> fucking w000t
[03:27] <ajmitch> ?
[03:28] <bddebian> I got the mime xml file for gnome-apt to work
[03:28] <ajmitch> k
[03:29] <bddebian> Why not homey?  Isn't it Sat. for you?
[03:29] <ajmitch> yes, it is
[03:29] <ajmitch> but I've got other packages to fix
[03:30] <bddebian> Like gnat-gps? ;-)
[03:30] <ajmitch> I promised ogra that I'd fix up moodle for him today
[03:30] <bddebian> Elmo synced that eieio package or whatever that guy was asking for last night :-)
[03:30] <ajmitch> i couldn't care less about gnat-gps, but moodle is needed for edubuntu :)
[03:30] <bddebian> You just don't love me :'-(
[03:30] <ajmitch> I've been waiting a couple of days for elmo to sync something for me
[03:31] <bddebian> Guess you just are SPECIAL like me ;-P
[03:31] <ajmitch> and about 3 weeks for my key, so yes I am special :P
[03:32] <bddebian> Doh
[03:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: umm
[03:33] <bddebian> ?
[03:34] <ajmitch> you put in the *whole* changelog for gnome-apt
[03:34] <bddebian> ??
[03:34] <ajmitch> see breezy-changes
[03:34] <ajmitch> the whole set of changes shows there, not just your fix :P
[03:36] <bddebian> It's a newer version
[03:36] <ajmitch> yes..
[03:36] <ajmitch>  gnome-apt (0.3.2) unstable; urgency=low
[03:36] <ajmitch>  .
[03:36] <ajmitch>    * Updated to glibc2.1 and libapt-pkg2.4
[03:36] <bddebian> I guess I really should subscribe to breezy-changes
[03:36] <ajmitch> did you *really* update from a package that old? ;)
[03:37] <bddebian> Am I supposed to hack that stuff out?
[03:37] <ajmitch> when you did debuild, or whatever, what options did you pass?
[03:37] <bddebian> -S -sa
[03:37] <bddebian> -v<current version>
[03:37] <ajmitch> don't rip it out of the changelog
[03:37] <ajmitch> the -v seems to have grabbed everything
[03:38] <bddebian> Ugh
[03:40] <bddebian> Think anyone will freak if I build a newer enlightenment?
[03:41] <ajmitch> how much newer?
[03:41] <ajmitch> and what changes?
[03:42] <ajmitch> let's just say that if you broke something like enlightenment this close to release, we would be calling in a lynch mob straight away :)
[03:44] <bddebian> Well it FTBFs's for me
[03:45] <ajmitch> is the binary in the archive working?
[03:45] <bddebian> There's a bug posted for it but nothing too exciting
[03:47] <bddebian> 0.16.6-3ubuntu2 to 0.16.7.2-1 :-)
[03:48] <ajmitch> oh, UVF, too
[03:49] <bddebian> You're just trying to keep me from fixing more bugs.. ;-P
[03:50] <ajmitch> don't be stupid
[03:50] <ajmitch> I'm trying to keep the distro sane :P
[03:50] <bddebian> Bah, you're no fun :-)
[03:50] <ajmitch> now the e16 bug on malone is the lack of a session file to show in gdm?
[03:50] <ajmitch> and current e16 ftbfs?
[03:51] <ajmitch> no, I'm not meant to be fun
[03:51] <bddebian> It does for me.  dholbach said it built for him on amd64
[03:51] <ajmitch> I'm going to try here in pbuilder
[03:51] <ajmitch> argh
[03:51] <ajmitch> once apt-proxy & apt work nicely
[04:10] <ajmitch> :P
[04:10] <ajmitch> I'll still catch you, don't worry
[04:13] <bddebian> Had a chance to try enlightenment yet?
[04:13] <ajmitch> nope
[04:13] <ajmitch> takes awhile for me to build stuff
[04:13] <ajmitch> since I have obsolete hardware
[04:13] <bddebian> OK
[04:14] <ajmitch> if you want to ship me a nice fast box... ;)
[04:14] <bddebian> How fast?
[04:15] <ajmitch> athlon 64 X2 4800+ would be nice
[04:16] <bddebian> Shiite.  If I win the lottery :-)
[04:16] <ajmitch> hehe
[04:16] <ajmitch> it would have to have 4GB of RAM at least
[04:17] <ajmitch> maybe 10K RPM SATA drives..
[04:18] <bddebian> OK, look at bug #2690.  Ogra added a desktop file in June and this bug just got reported on 9/25 ??
[04:18] <tseng> maybe they were using hoary
[04:18] <bddebian> That was my thought
[04:21] <bddebian> I still don't understand how we have all of these packages with completely missing deps and/or build deps
[04:21] <bddebian> Why would ghemical have been brought in without libghemical?
[04:25] <ajmitch> enlightenment still building...
[04:25] <bddebian> Mwuhaha
[04:26] <ajmitch> because I know you're just trying to stop all the MOTUs from actually fixing the distro :P
[04:27] <bddebian> Oh yeah that's me
[04:27] <bddebian> Hell, I'm trying to kick them in the ass ;-P
[04:27] <ajmitch> yep
[04:30] <bddebian> Damn you.. :-)
[04:32] <ajmitch> should I reject 2576, I wonder?
[04:32] <ajmitch> we'll have to beat you severely if you do that
[04:33] <bddebian> Bah, you'll have to catch me and you are all to scared to come to the US ;-P
[04:33] <bddebian> I thought we couldn't reject main bugs anymore?
[04:33] <ajmitch> probably not
[04:33] <ajmitch> which is why I've held off from rejecting for now
[04:34] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:34] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'm trying libghemical right now
[04:34] <LaserJock> hi!
[04:34] <LaserJock> really, cool
[04:40] <LaserJock> which libghemical?
[04:41] <bddebian> 1.90-1
[04:41] <LaserJock> with or without mopac?
[04:41] <bddebian> I don't see mopac as a dep
[04:41] <LaserJock> is it from Debian?
[04:41] <bddebian> Yes
[04:42] <LaserJock> that would be why. It should work ok
[04:43] <LaserJock> i'm pretty disapointed that they didn't include mopac in the Debian build
[04:57] <bddebian> Bah, wtf am I doing?  I should be watching pr0n or playing video games :-)
[05:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: enlightenment built fine here in pbuilder, no FTBFS
[05:02] <bddebian> No error on rox.c with XineramaIsActive?
[05:04] <ajmitch> nope
[05:04] <ajmitch> debs are all built
[05:04] <ajmitch> I just did apt-get source enlightenment
[05:04] <ajmitch> and pbuilder build on the dsc
[05:06] <bddebian> Weird
[05:09] <ajmitch> :P
[05:10] <bddebian> Heh
[05:10] <bddebian> Hey we're back at 500
[05:10] <ajmitch> great
[05:10] <ajmitch> marking a bug as PendingUpload takes down the bug count, btw
[05:11] <bddebian> Coolio
[05:11] <ajmitch> now I'm 2 bugs behind you
[05:11] <ajmitch> I'd better get to work
[05:11] <bddebian> I really was going to play Fable tonight you prick ;-P
[05:13] <ajmitch> so go & play
[05:14] <ajmitch> don't let any imagined competition stop you ;)
[05:14] <bddebian> heh
[05:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: did libghemical build for you?
[05:15] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yep.  I'm gonna try ghemical then ask elmo for a sync if it builds
[05:16] <LaserJock> good
[05:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: should I do a 'call for bugs' on the users list to get more people filing bugs for you? ;)
[05:19] <bddebian> Uhm no thanks.  I still have old unwanted broken packages to fix too :-)
[05:19] <ajmitch> heh
[05:19] <ajmitch> unmet deps still has a few that need love
[05:22] <ajmitch> probably been a couple of years since I used that
[05:27] <bddebian> OK, wordtrans is pissing me off :-(
[05:28] <ajmitch> might be a good idea to fix it then ;)
[05:29] <bddebian> What is the diff between wordtrans-qt.dirs and wordtrans-qt.files?
[05:29] <bddebian>  .files just includes dirs??
[05:30] <ajmitch> erm
[05:30] <bddebian> nm, I'm on crack :-(
[05:30] <ajmitch> first thing I see is phpapiver needs fixed
[05:31] <ajmitch> bddebian: what issues does it have?
[05:32] <bddebian> It builds, I just keep fscking up the .desktop file install :-)
[05:32] <ajmitch> oh right
[05:32] <ajmitch> and the unmet dep?
[05:32] <bddebian> It has an unmet dep?
[05:32] <bddebian> It install for me
[05:33] <ajmitch> nah
[05:33] <ajmitch> they're not even using the phpapiver in the rules
[05:33] <ajmitch> dodgy packaging :)
[05:34] <bddebian> It's a piece of crap.  I swear every other line yields a warning :-)
[05:34] <ajmitch> I coud believe that
[05:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK, I have asked elmo to sync ghemical/libghemical
[05:58] <LaserJock> great
[05:59] <LaserJock> but, should I bug the Debian maintainer to get mopac or should I just leave it alone?
[06:03] <bddebian> LaserJock: Does debian have mopac?
[06:03] <bddebian> BTW, is does depen mpgc.  Is that different?
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[06:03] <LaserJock> yep, and it builds ok
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah, infact I think that mopac is more important than mpqc
[06:04] <bddebian> Give me a bit and maybe I'll try mopac
[06:04] <tritium> Hi bddebian
[06:11] <bddebian> Goddamnit.  Can someone explain to me how the fuck dh_movefiles works?  It's totally fscking up my desktop and icon installs :-(
[06:12] <ajmitch> it moves files, unlike dh_install
[06:20] <bddebian> Based on what though?
[07:06] <LaserJock> bddebian: I gotta go, did you get a chance to look at mopac?
[07:06] <bddebian> Yep, I asked for a sync
[07:06] <LaserJock> of mopac too?
[07:06] <bddebian> Yep
[07:07] <LaserJock> that is way cool 8-)
[07:07] <bddebian> Now I'm going to bed. :-)
[07:07] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:07] <LaserJock> met oo
[07:07] <LaserJock> too
[07:08] <LaserJock> cya
[07:29] <jmg> bug day alright ;)
[07:33] <ajmitch> hello jmg
[08:37] <jmg> whats the "right way" for me to submit a source diff to malone?
[08:37] <jmg> i have modified the source tree from apt-get source and my built package fixes the bug
[08:38] <jmg> now what?
[08:45] <\sh> damn...have to leave for office...it's already late
[08:45] <jsgotangco> work on saturday?
[09:55] <crimsun_> what the...
[09:55] <ajmitch> ?
[09:56] <crimsun_> I'm perplexed why my irc client decided to reconnect then disconnect
[09:57] <ajmitch> because irc is like that
[09:58] <crimsun_> I'll just nod and overlook it (since the other six irc networks didn't budge)
[09:59] <ajmitch> this is freenode after all
[09:59] <crimsun_> true ;)
[10:49] <mikhail^> good day everyone, how do i get the source package for universe hosted packages?
[10:49] <mikhail^> "sudo apt-get source longrun" doesn't do it for me...
[10:49] <Treenaks> apt-get source packagename
[10:49] <Treenaks> mikhail^: is there a deb-src line for universe in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:50] <mikhail^> Treenaks: lemme check
[10:50] <jsgotangco> mikhail^: ah you must have forgotten deb-src
[10:50] <mikhail^> Treenaks: yes. i do.
[10:51] <Treenaks> mikhail^: what's the error message then
[10:51] <ajmitch> hoary or breezy source?
[10:51] <mikhail^> says deb-src http://ph.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[10:51] <mikhail^> hoary...
[10:51] <Treenaks> mikhail^: yes, that's main and restricted
[10:51] <irvin> mikhail^, you forgot the universe
[10:51] <Treenaks> mikhail^: now the universe one
[10:51] <ajmitch> mikhail^: which doesn't include universe, and is hoary-updates, not hoary
[10:51] <irvin> main restricted universe
[10:51] <mikhail^> ack, okay. it's commented out. thanks. :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> and it won't be in hoary-updates, I'd say
[10:52] <irvin> i usually have main restricted universe multiverse
[10:52] <jsgotangco> irvin: yup those are the repos but he needs the source, its deb and deb-src are different and not all people need deb-src
[10:55] <mikhail^> okay, now i have another question... I did an "apt-get source longrun", and I get two directories and one diff...
[10:56] <mikhail^> which sources can i modify to maky my diff from?
[10:56] <mikhail^> s/maky/make/g
[10:56] <ajmitch> you should get one directory
[10:56] <ajmitch> dpkg-source: extracting longrun in longrun-0.9
[10:57] <ajmitch> that's the directory name there
[10:57] <mikhail^> ajmitch: but i have 2 directories, one longrun-0.9/, another longrun/,
[10:57] <mikhail^> ajmitch: and there's a longrun-0.9.diff.gz
[10:57] <ajmitch> not sure where longrun/ came from, since I just did apt-get source longrun to demonstrate :)
[10:57] <ajmitch> longrun-0.9 has the .diff.gz applied already
[10:58] <ajmitch> as that diff.gz contains the debian packaging
[10:58] <ajmitch> so make your change, put a new version in debian/changelog
[10:58] <ajmitch> eg with: longrun (0.9-17) unstable; urgency=low
[10:58] <ajmitch> you'd make a new version 0.9-17ubuntu1
[10:59] <mikhail^> ajmitch: okay, thanks... after that, what do I do to share the changes with others? do i inform the package maintainer only of my proposed changes?
[11:00] <ajmitch> you can share it with us :)
[11:00] <mikhail^> ajmitch: okay, thanks.
[11:00] <ajmitch> and we can look at it & get it into breezy
[11:01] <mikhail^> ajmitch: basically i'm making the tool a bit more user friendly by adding config file reading support and environment variable support.
[11:02] <ajmitch> ok
[11:02] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: this should have been done in IntroDeveloperDocs but i haven't seen it done at all
[11:02] <mikhail^> ajmitch: if you look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LongRunHowTo it's not really very easy to use the longrun utility.
[11:02] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: IntroDeveloperDocs has been promised 'real soon now' for a little while, I know Unfrgiven has been busy at work though
[11:03] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: its October today..heh
[11:03] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I know :/
[11:03] <jsgotangco> i could have whipped it up a bit if i saw Unfrgiven
[11:03] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: we were really wanting to get good docs for this near the start of breezy
[11:03] <ajmitch> I guess we shouldn't have left it to one person
[11:04] <jsgotangco> :/
[11:04] <tseng> should have done it myself
[11:04] <ajmitch> there's a lot we could cover
[11:04] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[11:04] <tseng> hi
[11:04] <jsgotangco> hey tseng
[11:04] <ajmitch> yay, daylight savings starts in a few hours
[11:04] <ajmitch> 1 hour less sleep
[11:04] <tseng> haha not on our side
[11:05] <ajmitch> so I'll be UTC+13 until march or so
[11:05] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:05] <jsgotangco> what's the weather now
[11:06] <ajmitch> not too bad, it's fairly mild all year
[11:07] <jsgotangco> have you fixed your stuff already for UBZ?
[11:08] <ajmitch> fixed what?
[11:08] <jsgotangco> travel arrangements
[11:08] <ajmitch> oh, yeah
[11:08] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:08] <ajmitch> since I've got to do a bit of that for UBZ
[11:10] <ajmitch> but my package fixing might be a couple of weeks of solid work post-release
[11:10] <tseng> sigh, its impossible to find wallpaper at 1400x1050
[11:10] <rob^> yep
[11:10] <ajmitch> evening rob^ :)
[11:10] <rob^> hi ajmitch
[11:10] <mikhail^> another question... is there a way to add alias settings to /etc/profile when a package is installed?
[11:10] <ajmitch> I doubt /etc/profile
[11:11] <tseng> that sounds evil
[11:11] <ajmitch> is there a directory instead?
[11:11] <tseng> why would a package add aliases
[11:11] <jsgotangco> the_mitsubis?
[11:11] <jsgotangco> mitsubishi?
[11:11] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:13] <rob^> ?
[11:13] <rob^> looks like there is a nick char limit
[11:13] <rob^> oddly it looks like it looks like they missed something when they re-designed this ircd
[11:14] <mikhail^> tseng: to set default values for a command's arguments/options ?
[11:14] <ajmitch> mikhail^: oh that is evil
[11:14] <mikhail^> ajmitch: yeah. well, just had to ask still.
[11:17] <mikhail^> i'll be putting in defaults in the code instead, to keep it a little "smarter"
[11:18] <ajmitch> oh that's encouraging - go to www.serverpronto.com (a hosting company) and their mysql server is dead in the water
[11:23] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: weee for the loco teams
[11:23] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: ?
[11:24] <ajmitch> I'm missing something here :)
[11:24] <jsgotangco> server pronto is the one to be used by the loco teams
[11:25] <ajmitch> right
[11:25] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me, as I got the url from sounder
[11:25] <jsgotangco> the linodes didn't do well apparently
[11:26] <tseng> they are using both
[11:26] <tseng> according to sounder
[11:27] <Yagisan> hmm - my new breezy install didn't go so smooth
[11:28] <ajmitch> report ze bugs!
[11:28] <tseng> im using linode right now
[11:29] <jsgotangco> tseng: we're using one too, but our load ain't that big
[11:29] <Yagisan> second stage of the installer craped out because I tried to put / on jfs
[11:29] <Yagisan> complained that module jfs wasn't found
[11:52] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:14] <spayne> yo all
[12:14] <slomo> morning :)
[12:15] <spayne> how is you?
[12:16] <slomo> tired ;) i slept to long... but what was your package you wanted to have reviewed? i can take a look now
[12:18] <spayne> yes! http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[12:18] <spayne> resapplet - dholbach helped me build it properly so no ./autogen.sh is needed
[12:20] <slomo> ok, isn't ok anyway ;) resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu4.tar.gz <--- this is not the original tarball, isn't it? just copy the original one next to it... resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30.orig.tar.gz
[12:20] <slomo> and then rerun debuild/dpkg-buildpackage to get a diff against that
[12:20] <spayne> well..
[12:20] <spayne> what we did was
[12:20] <spayne> pull it from GNOME CVS
[12:20] <spayne> ran autogen.sh and make dsit
[12:21] <spayne> which gave us that tarball
[12:21] <spayne> the, unpacked the tarball and started to get it building
[12:21] <spayne> so that one IS the original unmodifed code
[12:22] <slomo> i doubt it... make dist would never do a tarball with -0ubuntu4 at the end except the upstream version is 0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu4
[12:22] <spayne> i renammed the tarball
[12:23] <slomo> ok... and this tarball now contains everything, including debian directory... so please do the following:
[12:23] <spayne> whoops!
[12:24] <slomo> get a new clean tarball, rename it to resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30.orig.tar.gz... go to your directory with all your changes and rerun dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[12:24] <slomo> the orig.tar.gz should be in the parent directory
[12:25] <spayne> hat is very different to what dholbach told me :-)
[12:25] <spayne> we did a debuild -S (or something)
[12:25] <spayne> then a pbuild
[12:25] <spayne> from the .dsc
[12:25] <spayne> i might have a .orig on my machine
[12:25] <spayne> give me a mo
[12:26] <slomo> yes... you'll do it now too... running debuild -S when you have the orig tarball in the parent directory...
[12:26] <slomo> this will create you a diff.gz against the orig tarball
[12:26] <spayne> i do
[12:26] <spayne> i have a .orig.tar.gz
[12:26] <spayne> let me put in on my webspace
[12:26] <spayne> it is on now
[12:26] <spayne> brb
[12:26] <slomo> wait :P
[12:27] <slomo> you have to rerun debuild -S... the dsc contains only the changed tarball
[12:27] <slomo> and the diff is missing
[12:27] <lazyb0y> hi
[12:30] <spayne> bacj
[12:31] <spayne> the debuild didn't make a diff
[12:31] <slomo> then you don't have a orig.tar.gz in the parent directory
[12:31] <spayne> it make a dsc, asc, another tar.gz, source.build and sources.change
[12:31] <slomo> at least none with the correct name
[12:32] <spayne> in which parent diectory?
[12:32] <slomo> parent of your source directory
[12:33] <slomo> next to the tarball which is now created
[12:34] <spayne> it keeps doing 'building resapplet in resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu4.tar.gz'
[12:35] <slomo> what is your orig tarball named?
[12:36] <spayne> resapplet-0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30.orig.tar.gz
[12:36] <ajmitch> change the - to _
[12:36] <slomo> exactly
[12:37] <spayne> yes!
[12:37] <spayne> then what do i run after the debuild?
[12:38] <spayne> i have a orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, dcs, source.build and source.changes
[12:38] <slomo> nothing... just upload dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz
[12:38] <slomo> i'll search for something to eat now ;) brb
[12:39] <spayne> done
[12:39] <spayne> what next
[12:46] <mikhail^> in valgrind output, what does it mean to have still reachable blocks, but 0 definitely lost and 0 possibly lost memory?
[12:46] <slomo> spayne: wait for me to look at it ;)
[12:47] <zyga> mikhail^: it means that some memory was not freed
[12:47] <zyga> mikhail^: but also - thah no memory was leaked
[12:47] <zyga> it's okay
[12:47] <mikhail^> zyga: neat! thanks. :)
[12:48] <slomo> spayne: many spelling mistakes in the changelog ;)
[12:49] <spayne> chanin' them
[12:50] <slomo> copyright needs to be modified... include the full 3 paragraphs of the gpl there... and include also the other copyright holders... there's at least robert love
[12:51] <spayne> just rml as well
[12:52] <spayne> 3 paragraphs?
[12:52] <slomo> make the rules a bit smaller by removing the commented out, unneeded calls to dh_* and the comment about sample rules file at the top ;)
[12:52] <spayne> there is more than that in the GP
[12:52] <spayne> there is more than that in the GPL
[12:52] <spayne> which 3
[12:53] <slomo> the 3 paragraphs you normally see at each header of source files... wait, i'll search for a sample
[12:54] <slomo> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/fatsort-0509090945/fatsort-0.9.4/debian/copyright
[12:54] <spayne> anything else?
[12:54] <slomo> the copyright line itself (copyright (c) 2005 by bla) and the two paragraphs starting with "this program"
[12:55] <slomo> (C) Copyright 1999 Red Hat, Inc.
[12:55] <slomo> for the eggtrayicon
[12:55] <slomo> clipboard i mean
[12:55] <slomo> Copyright (C) 2002 Anders Carlsson <andersca@gnu.org>
[12:55] <slomo> for eggtrayicon
[12:56] <spayne> which copyright line
[12:56] <spayne> in the copyright file?
[12:56] <slomo> what do you mean?
[12:56] <spayne> " the copyright line itself"
[12:56] <spayne> where?
[12:57] <spayne> ??
[12:57] <slomo> there really is none for the resapplet itself... hrm... but for the other stuff... and there is also lgpl code in there so mention this too
[12:57] <slomo> ajmitch?
[12:57] <spayne> where is the copyright line?
[12:58] <spayne> switching machines
[12:58] <spayne> brb
[12:58] <slomo> for the other stuff? in the sourcefiles
[12:59] <ajmitch> yes?
[12:59] <slomo> for the other stuff? in the sourcefiles
[12:59] <spayne> back
[12:59] <spayne> right, what were we saying?
[12:59] <ajmitch> I haven't been following, ask me a question rather than a statement :P
[01:00] <slomo> ajmitch: what to do when there is no line which explicitly states who has the copyright? there's only the two authors mentioned in the sourcefile...
[01:01] <spayne> what is the confusion about
[01:01] <spayne> rml and nat wrote the programme
[01:01] <spayne> so their names go into the copyright file
[01:03] <ajmitch> slomo: I guess so
[01:03] <spayne> so..what do i need to change?
[01:03] <slomo> ajmitch: tell him, i have to leave now =) bbl
[01:04] <spayne> what is the copyright problem
[01:05] <mikhail^> okay, how do I create a debian package with my modifications?
[01:06] <mikhail^> err, an ubuntu package with my modifications?
[01:08] <mikhail^> do i do it with apt-get ?
[01:08] <ajmitch> debuild
[01:09] <mikhail^> ajmitch: do i invoke that in the project base directory?
[01:09] <ajmitch> yes
[01:09] <spayne> hmm - i've just been through all that
[01:09] <ajmitch> debuild -S to make a source package
[01:10] <mikhail^> ajmitch: what pacakge do i need to get to have debuild?
[01:10] <ajmitch> devscripts
[01:10] <mikhail^> ajmitch: thanks! :)
[01:10] <ajmitch> spayne: since I haven't looked at your package yet I don't know just what you need
[01:11] <spayne> ajmitch: neither do i - i've got the bits on my webspace at http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[01:11] <spayne> and slomo was checking them
[01:11] <spayne> and he was saying something about the COPYRIGHT file
[01:11] <spayne> and i was confused
[01:13] <mikhail^> ajmitch: do i need to make it with -S in my case if i want to share it with others?
[01:13] <ajmitch> mikhail^: if you want this package to be reviewed, yes :)
[01:13] <ajmitch> debuild by itself builds the binary package
[01:13] <mikhail^> ajmitch: okay. :)
[01:14] <mikhail^> ajmitch: well, i have a problem here... dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: groff
[01:14] <mikhail^> ajmitch: ack, I'll just install it then... :D
[01:16] <ajmitch> yeah.. :)
[01:17] <spayne> i've redone the packages with the changes slomo suggested
[01:22] <spayne> i think i might give monopod a go for packaging
[01:23] <ajmitch> already done
[01:23] <spayne> is it?
[01:23] <spayne> it ain't in universe
[01:23] <ajmitch> see revu
[01:24] <spayne> why is it at tauware.de btw?
[01:24] <ajmitch> because that's where the domain is..
[01:24] <ajmitch> siretart put the server on his domain
[01:25] <spayne> right
[01:25] <spayne> just wondering why it isn't in universe yet
[01:25] <zakame> hi all
[01:26] <ajmitch> hello zakame
[01:26] <spayne> yo zakame
[01:27] <spayne> ajmitch: does it need a advocate before it can be put into universe
[01:28] <ajmitch> spayne: YES
[01:28] <ajmitch> sorry
[01:28] <spayne> ajmitch: got it
[01:28] <spayne> ajmitch: sorry but remember i'm new to all this
[01:28] <ajmitch> I didn't mean to put caps there :)
[01:29] <spayne> oh right :)
[01:30] <ajmitch> although it's fairly obvious that we're not going to stick any old package in universe :)
[01:30] <spayne> yeh
[01:30] <ajmitch> 2 MOTUs need to advocate before it goes in
[01:31] <mikhail^> okay, done creating the packages. Now what?
[01:31] <spayne> mikhail^: which package is it?
[01:31] <mikhail^> spayne: I made changes to longrun, for config file support...
[01:32] <spayne> right
[01:32] <ajmitch> mikhail^: can you make a debdiff for us?
[01:32] <ajmitch> debdiff package_version1.dsc package_version2.dsc
[01:32] <mikhail^> ajmitch: okay, hang on a sec
[01:32] <mikhail^> ajmitch: do i do this as root?
[01:33] <ajmitch> no
[01:33] <zakame> mikhail^: iirc you don't have to
[01:34] <mikhail^> zakame: w00t! dudeness, whatap?
[01:34] <mikhail^> ajmitch: thanks.
[01:34] <mikhail^> ajmitch: do I pipe it to a file and send it somewhere?
[01:35] <ajmitch> mikhail^: yes
[01:35] <mikhail^> zakame: w00tness indeed! :)
[01:35] <mikhail^> ajmitch: and somewhere would be...
[01:35] <ajmitch> wherever you feel like
[01:36] <ajmitch> it'd be nice if you could put it on a webserver
[01:36] <ajmitch> at least until you get a revu account
[01:36] <ajmitch> which you should do asap
[01:36] <mikhail^> ajmitch: okay, how do I do that?
[01:36] <mikhail^> ajmitch: i mean, get a revu account?
[01:36] <zakame> or in an arch/bazaar archive...
[01:36] <mikhail^> zakame: where would that be?
[01:36] <ajmitch> mikhail^: see revu.tauware.de
[01:37] <zakame> mikhail^: I have one on my server :) still arch though, I've yet to try baz/bzr...
[01:39] <mikhail^> zakame: hmmm... this is alien to me...
[01:39] <mikhail^> hehehe
[01:39] <mikhail^> ajmitch: so I send siretart a signed email to be able to upload...
[01:39] <mikhail^> ajmitch: and then I have to have dput installed...
[01:40] <ajmitch> mikhail^: yes, to upload to revu
[01:41] <mikhail^> ajmitch: but i need a key signed by someone else before I do that, available from the public keyservers right?
[01:42] <ajmitch> yes
[01:43] <ajmitch> hello SynrG
[01:43] <SynrG> it occurs to me that since my junior-* packages are in universe, it might be possible to make an ubuntu livecd + Debian Jr., and that this might produce a more polished product than I would otherwise be able to produce with Debian alone
[01:43] <SynrG> of course, there is a bit of cruft in those packages i'd probably need to cut to save space
[01:44] <ajmitch> SynrG: what's in those packages?
[01:44] <SynrG> for instance, while in principle, i'd love to provide children with the ability to explore the domain of programming, in practice, it may not be practical to include such materials on a livecd
[01:44] <ajmitch> and what would you cut from a regular live cd to put on instead? OOo?
[01:44] <SynrG> they are merely metapackages
[01:44] <ajmitch> right, so you'd need to drag in all the depends for the live cd
[01:44] <SynrG> and i suppose the first cut would be to merely build an oversided iso and boot it in qemu or some such
[01:45] <ajmitch> 800MB ISO? :)
[01:45] <ajmitch> or you could go for bootable DVD images
[01:45] <SynrG> it would be nice if i could quickly throw something together.  is there a HOWTO?
[01:45] <SynrG> yes, or DVD.  except only if really warranted
[01:45] <ajmitch> I think there's a remastering howto around somewhere..
[01:46] <SynrG> or produce two editions
[01:46] <SynrG> "full" (DVD) and CD edition with some things cut
[01:46] <SynrG> ultimately I want to hone what's in Debian itself down to a useful core
[01:47] <SynrG> it has been quite a long time since I've done a serious review of what's in Jr.
[01:47] <ajmitch> right
[01:47] <ajmitch> the debian Jr stuff has been around for awhile now
[01:47] <SynrG> somehow I have to get Jr. "unstuck".  it has been in stasis/maintenance mode for a few years
[01:47] <SynrG> as I've been a busy parent in that time
[01:47] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[01:48] <ajmitch> yeah, I recall seeing you around debian channel from time to time :)
[01:49] <SynrG> it is difficult to maintain a long-term presence on #debian
[01:49] <SynrG> the volume of chat is just way too high
[01:49] <mikhail^> ajmitch: would it be okay if I upload the diff at a webserver somewhere instead of having it reviewed by someone else?
[01:49] <mikhail^> ajmitch: ack, wrong. what I meant was instead of uploading it myself through revu ?
[01:50] <ajmitch> mikhail^: yes, that was what I originally suggested :)
[01:50] <SynrG> ajmitch: i'll have a look at that. thanks
[01:50] <mikhail^> ajmitch: oh, my bad. :) okay, I'll look for a way...
[01:50] <ajmitch> SynrG: certainly, I ignore #d-d for most of the day
[01:51] <ajmitch> SynrG: hopefully that helps, it would be good to see another live cd derivative
[01:51] <SynrG> ajmitch: i assume using sid as the development host for this is OK?
[01:51] <ajmitch> SynrG: you might be interesting in edubuntu as well?
[01:51] <SynrG> no, not in the least bit interested
[01:51] <SynrG> the goals of education are not the goals of jr
[01:51] <ajmitch> ok, I thought there would be some overlap
[01:51] <SynrG> i established that a long time ago
[01:51] <SynrG> no, there isn't.
[01:51] <SynrG> education is not focused on any one age range
[01:51] <ajmitch> right
[01:52] <SynrG> it is more geared towards older students, and towards administrative problems
[01:52] <SynrG> and how to deploy many computers in a computer lab/classroom setting
[01:52] <ajmitch> that is true
[01:52] <SynrG> whereas my goal is just a "kids system"
[01:52] <SynrG> kid's
[01:52] <ajmitch> sid as a development host should be fine, as long as you have the right sources.list in the cd chroot
[01:53] <ajmitch> you could probably use any linux system
[01:53] <SynrG> something you'd give to a niece or nephew, a neighborhood kid, or one of your own kids
[01:53] <SynrG> to play with
[02:05] <SynrG> I was encouraged to read the LJ article about the fellow who had used Ubuntu with his kids
[02:05] <SynrG> hm.  i mean, when i read it, it encouraged me
[02:06] <ajmitch> is it online?
[02:09] <SynrG> i don't know.  i read it in my dead tree copy
[02:10] <SynrG> hm, i just installed a 2.6 kernel on my ubuntu laptop in preparation to upgrade from warty -> hoary & it panics :(
[02:11] <SynrG> sigh
[02:11] <SynrG> unfortunately, the hardware is only marginal, so i think i'll halt it and let it cool for a while to rule out overheating.
[02:11] <SynrG> it dies with a message about preempt, though.
[02:12] <SynrG> oh well.  this isn't a request for help.  just an observation. :)  i'll muddle through on my own.
[02:12] <SynrG> meanwhile, i'll get started on that howto
[02:12] <SynrG> also, i've had offers for help with jr lately, so i mentioned this on the #debian-jr channel
[02:13] <SynrG> nobody awake there yet tho
[02:14] <slomo> reee
[02:15] <spayne> slomo: ping
[02:15] <slomo> spayne: everything clear with the copyright?
[02:16] <spayne> slomo: will you take a look at the new stuff i've put up http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet to check ?
[02:16] <slomo> ok
[02:17] <ajmitch> SynrG: good luck with it, let us know how it goes & if you want help with any of it :)
[02:17] <slomo> spayne: why don't you upload to revu?
[02:17] <spayne> my GPG ain't signed
[02:17] <spayne> the new artwork is very nice for breezy!
[02:17] <slomo> isn't necessary for revu
[02:18] <spayne> slomo: is it in a fit state for REVU?
[02:18] <slomo> no... well, again two things to say about your packaging ;)
[02:19] <spayne> what?
[02:19] <slomo> please remove everything unneeded from the rules file... i.e. the header comments and the commented out calls to something
[02:19] <slomo> makes everything much more clean
[02:19] <spayne> slomo: will do
[02:19] <spayne> slomo: remember this is first package
[02:20] <slomo> and in copyright... 1. add all copyright holders... there are at least 2 other people... then something like "copyright (c) year, years names" would be fine for every copyright holding party...
[02:20] <spayne> 2 other people?
[02:21] <spayne> you mean Elliot Lee <sopwith@redhat.com> and Anders Carlsson <andersca@gnu.org>?
[02:21] <slomo> Elliot Lee and Anders Carlsson
[02:21] <slomo> yes
[02:22] <SynrG> ajmitch: sure.  in the appropriate channel though :)
[02:22] <SynrG> ajmitch: oh, unless you meant by "it" == the HOWTO stuff
[02:23] <spayne> Copyright (c) 2005, Nat Friedman and Robert Love
[02:23] <spayne> ?
[02:23] <slomo> for example... but it isn't written anywhere so maybe ask both to add something in their sources... and again, don't forget the two other copyright holders
[02:24] <ajmitch> SynrG: yeah, the live cd customisation :)
[02:24] <SynrG> heh, the kids are upstairs playing "whale rider".  chanting, sticking out their tongues and rolling their eyes at each other.
[02:24] <spayne> slomo: why do i need it twice?
[02:24] <ajmitch> hah nice
[02:24] <ajmitch> I've seen that a couple of times
[02:24] <slomo> spayne: what twice?
[02:24] <SynrG> ajmitch: we were impressed enough to buy it.
[02:24] <spayne> having copyright info twice
[02:24] <SynrG> ajmitch: that's a great movie to show to kids
[02:25] <slomo> spayne: why twice? you have it all over the sources and then collected in debian/copyright
[02:25] <ajmitch> SynrG: yeah, it's quite good
[02:25] <spayne> slomo: but you said have it twice in copyright - list and the single line thing
[02:26] <spayne> Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:46:04 +0100.
[02:26] <spayne> It was downloaded from http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/resapplet/
[02:26] <spayne> Copyright Holder: 	Nat Friedman <nat@nat.org>
[02:26] <spayne> 			Robert Love <rml@novell.com>
[02:26] <spayne> 			Elliot Lee <sopwith@redhat.com>
[02:26] <spayne> 			Anders Carlsson <andersca@gnu.org>
[02:26] <spayne> Copyright (c) 2005, Nat Friedman and Robert Love
[02:26] <spayne> License:
[02:26] <spayne> resapplet is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License
[02:26] <spayne> version 2
[02:26] <spayne> This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
[02:26] <spayne> modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
[02:26] <slomo> spayne: look at the copyright file i gave you some hours ago
[02:26] <spayne> as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
[02:27] <spayne> of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
[02:27] <spayne> This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
[02:27] <slomo> and don't spam the channel
[02:27] <spayne> but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
[02:27] <spayne> MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
[02:27] <spayne> GNU General Public License for more details.
[02:27] <spayne> On Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General Public
[02:27] <spayne> License, version 2, can be found in /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2.
[02:27] <spayne> whoops!
[02:27] <spayne> sorry - don't flame
[02:27] <spayne> it was s mistake
[02:27] <spayne> it was a mistake
[02:27] <ajmitch> argh
[02:27] <spayne> slomo: you didn't give me one :)
[02:27] <slomo> sure...
[02:27] <ajmitch> spayne: yes he did
[02:27] <spayne> slomo: i just don't get what is wrong with my current file - i have a list of all the copyright holders
[02:27] <slomo> spayne: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/fatsort-0509090945/fatsort-0.9.4/debian/copyright
[02:27] <slomo> this for example
[02:27] <spayne> oh right
[02:28] <zakame> wow, where's the kicker? :))
[02:28] <spayne> sorry! I made a mistake
[02:28] <ajmitch> zakame: I was sorely tempted
[02:28] <spayne> are we not all allowed to make a mistake?
[02:28] <zakame> spayne: in other chans you'd be ... :)
[02:29] <zakame> ajmitch: hehe :)
[02:29] <spayne> slomo: is this line ok "Copyright (c) 2005, Nat Friedman <nat@nat.org>, Robert Love <rml@novell.com>, Elliot Lee <sopwith@redhat.com> and Anders Carlsson <andersca@gnu.org>"
[02:29] <zakame> spayne: yeah, we all do :) so don't feel bad, we feel your pain :D
[02:29] <zakame> chroots r0ck!
[02:31] <slomo> spayne: probably not... 1. we don't know something about the nat/rml part... and 2. elliot and anders have such lines in their code and the years are different...
[02:31] <slomo> spayne: look at this for example http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/banshee-0509081950/banshee-0.9.7/debian/copyright
[02:31] <spayne> right
[02:32] <spayne> the authors file just says Nat and Robert
[02:32] <slomo> yes... these are the upstream authors... but it contains code on which other people hold the copyright
[02:33] <spayne> i think it will be Novell work?
[02:33] <spayne> the Upstream Author would be Nat and Robert?
[02:33] <slomo> look at the sources... one is redhat, the other is someone else
[02:33] <slomo> yes
[02:38] <spayne> slomo: can i pastebin the copyright file?
[02:38] <slomo> sure
[02:39] <spayne> http://pastebin.com/379554
[02:40] <slomo> i think rml also holds copyright... and not everything is gpl... there's also lgpl'ed code
[02:40] <slomo> eggtrayicon is lglp
[02:40] <slomo> for example
[02:40] <spayne> i can't see anything else that is under the LGPL
[02:41] <slomo> ok... good
[02:41] <slomo> then change it and pastebin it again
[02:41] <slomo> "
[02:41] <slomo> resapplet is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License
[02:41] <slomo> #
[02:41] <slomo> version 2" <--- that can be removed imho
[02:41] <slomo> hmm
[02:41] <spayne> what?
[02:42] <slomo> what what? ;)
[02:42] <spayne> you said hmm
[02:42] <spayne> :)
[02:42] <slomo> yes... because of the multi-line paste... wasn't intended ;)
[02:42] <spayne> oh right
[02:42] <spayne> ;)
[02:43] <slomo> can someone please beat the eclipse people? why does one want to cast ints to pointers and the other way around...
[02:43] <spayne> http://pastebin.com/379556
[02:44] <slomo> for multi-license stuff i wouldn't do it that way...
[02:44] <slomo> look at http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/mosml-0509261825/mosml-2.01/debian/copyright
[02:47] <spayne> http://pastebin.com/379560
[02:48] <slomo> ok... i would remove the "$name is released under..." lines but other than that it looks ok... please reupload everything and then i'll build it for the first time ;)
[02:49] <spayne> looks ok? after this, it should be amazing :)
[02:51] <pansen> what's the difference between flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree?
[02:51] <spayne> slomo: up at http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[02:53] <slomo> just a small change... i would make a "clean" changelog with only one entry for the first release
[02:53] <slomo> -0ubuntu1: Initial revision
[02:53] <slomo> or something
[02:54] <slomo> and it's copyright holder_s_... plural ;) but anyway
[02:55] <slomo> let's build it :)
[02:59] <spayne> made those changes
[02:59] <spayne> and uploaded the changes
[03:01] <slomo> checking for X... no
[03:01] <slomo> looks evil ;)
[03:01] <spayne> that isn't me
[03:01] <slomo> yes... and it works anyway :) just wanted to note that
[03:02] <spayne> can you test something
[03:02] <spayne> click on Configure Display Settings
[03:02] <spayne> does it work? it is fails, the patch hasn't worked
[03:02] <spayne> if you install it that is
[03:02] <slomo> try adding --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 --x-libs=/usr/lib to configure
[03:03] <slomo> --x-libraries even
[03:03] <spayne> sigh :)
[03:04] <spayne> where do i add it? in debian/rules? in the actual configure file?
[03:04] <slomo> debian/rules
[03:04] <slomo> to the configure call
[03:04] <spayne> got iit
[03:06] <spayne> put new packages up with that change
[03:06] <slomo> ok...
[03:07] <slomo> the LGLP is also in /usr/share/common-licenses
[03:07] <slomo> add this to the copyright file ;)
[03:08] <slomo> and it's --x-libraries not --x-libs
[03:10] <spayne> new packages again
[03:11] <slomo> --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 is missing ;)
[03:12] <spayne> new packages again
[03:13] <spayne> slomo: any good?
[03:14] <slomo> wait a moment
[03:15] <slomo> no ;)
[03:15] <slomo> --x-libraries=/usr/lib
[03:15] <slomo> not /usr/include/X11 for the libraries
[03:15] <spayne> ARGH!
[03:15] <spayne> i am stupid!
[03:16] <spayne> new packages again
[03:19] <spayne> any good slomo?
[03:19] <slomo> builds currently
[03:20] <bddebian> Morning folks
[03:20] <spayne> yo bddebian
[03:20] <bddebian> Heya spayne
[03:21] <spayne> slomo: now what?
[03:22] <slomo> wait :P
[03:22] <spayne> sorry :)
[03:22] <slomo> or buy me a faster pc ;)
[03:22] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:22] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[03:25] <slomo> spayne: everything ok... now search another motu to look at it
[03:25] <slomo> i wonder why they didn't make it a real applet...
[03:26] <spayne> slomo: can you suggest anyone?
[03:26] <slomo> ajmitch: he will find all mistakes i didn't find ;)
[03:26] <SynrG> ajmitch: i have cool kids.  my daughter, age 7, is enjoying a game of moon-buggy.  with jr i want something where "edutainment" isn't the norm for kids' software
[03:26] <spayne> ajmitch: ping
[03:27] <slomo> otherwise... just ask if someone is here and want to look at it :)
[03:27] <spayne> slomo: but who here is an MOTU
[03:29] <slomo> hm for the people that are really here... bddebian ;) don't know about all the others but they seem to be asleep
[03:29] <spayne> bddebian: will you take a look at the latest stuff of my resapplet package?
[03:29] <spayne> bddebian: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[03:30] <bddebian> spayne: Normally I would love to but I have to head to my office pretty shortly :-(
[03:31] <spayne> ok :(
[03:31] <spayne> sob sob
[03:31] <spayne> never mind
[03:37] <mikhail^> ajmitch: managed to get it up courtesy of zakame
[03:37] <mikhail^> ajmitch: it's now at http://zakame.spunge.org/pub/mikhail/longrun_0.9-16_to_0.9-17.diff
[03:37] <jsgotangco> yay
[03:37] <slomo> yeah... seems like i got eclipse working on amd64 =)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> (i don't have a crusoe)
[03:43] <spayne> doko: are you a MOTU?
[03:43] <doko> no
[03:44] <slomo> Nafallo: ping?
[03:59] <mikhail^> how do I know if the package I wrote/came up with has been/is being/will be reviewed?
[03:59] <slomo> mikhail^: is it uploaded to revu?
[04:00] <mikhail^> slomo: sadly, not yet... I haven't had my GPG key signed yet, so I can't really qualify yet for revu... :(
[04:00] <zakame> when someone pings you about it either on REVU or on somewhere else, like via email :) it's like debian-mentors RFS :)
[04:01] <slomo> siretart: is a signed gpg key really needed for revu now?!
[04:02] <spayne> if it wasn't needed, i could upload resapplet?
[04:03] <slomo> to revu, yes
[04:03] <spayne> shall i try uploading it slomo?
[04:03] <slomo> no... you have to get your key added to the revu keyring... mail siretart about it... siretart@tauware.de
[04:04] <spayne> what is his first name?
[04:06] <mikhail^> zakame: so I just have to wait and cross my fingers...
[04:06] <mikhail^> would it be a good idea to email it to the ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[04:06] <spayne> slomo: what is his first name?
[04:07] <zakame> mikhail^: yes.  Of course, if you think people at -devel ought to know about it, then have a go :)
[04:08] <spayne> mikhail^: you are the in the same position as I
[04:09] <mikhail^> spacey: key unsigned? ;)
[04:09] <spayne> mikhail^: yes and i'm not spacey
[04:09] <mikhail^> spayne: oh, my bad... xchat nick cycling doesn't help.
[04:10] <mikhail^> zakame: good for you...
[04:11] <zakame> the maint-guide and developers-reference packages are good places to start :)
[04:11] <mikhail^> zakame: hmmm... 'apt-get'-able?
[04:12] <zakame> yep
[04:12] <mikhail^> zakame: oooh, it is! thanks! :)
[04:12] <zakame> apt-get install -y maint-guilde developers-reference
[04:12] <zakame> and (optionally) debian-policy...
[04:14] <mikhail^> zakame: thanks! :)
[04:14] <zakame> mikhail^: np again! :)
[04:15] <jsgotangco> Frosty time!
[04:15] <zakame> jsgotangco: hehe :))
[04:16] <mikhail^> jamessan: you going out for a frosty?
[04:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: +1 for me!  Wake up. ;-P
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey I have to run but if you come around, what do you think about #902?  Looks like bunk to me.
[04:48] <bddebian> See you in a few gang
[05:53] <bmonty> I agree with bddebian, 902 should be rejected
[06:38] <eruin> Lathiat, ping avahi 0.5 - has it been deferred?
[06:39] <slomo> hm, 0.5 was released some days ago afaik
[06:39] <eruin> actually, 0.5 was released half a month ago
[06:39] <tseng> he means packages i believe
[06:40] <eruin> aye
[06:40] <slomo> ah ok... well, no idea :) when there are new packages to review i would look at them... would be nice to have the cli bindings to play a bit with avahi ;)
[06:41] <eruin> he told me he had packages ready for <someone> to look at
[06:41] <eruin> I guess they weren't approved by that someone I can't remember the name of ;p
[06:42] <slomo> hmm... do you know where they are flying around?
[06:43] <eruin> nope,sorry
[06:43] <eruin> I'd prefer archive.ubuntu.com ;-)
[07:06] <sistpoty> hi folks
[07:11] <bmonty> hi sistpoty
[07:11] <sistpoty> hi bmonty
[07:19] <sistpoty> slomo: would you mind to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=669
[07:20] <slomo> atm... yes ;) everything is swapping because of building ugly eclipse ;)
[07:20] <slomo> but i'll do afterwards
[07:20] <sistpoty> hehe
[07:20] <sistpoty> thx
[07:20] <sistpoty> I finally got this sorted out with dd/upstream :)
[07:24] <hub> new hugin package on REVU
[07:38] <hub> hi
[07:38] <hub> for a pure CLI (Mono) binary, do I have to put the dependencies manualy ?
[07:39] <hub> using CDBS
[07:43] <hub> found it
[07:43] <hub> Depends: ${cli:Depends}
[07:44] <slomo> hub: what do you want to package?
[07:44] <slomo> and read the CLI policy
[07:44] <slomo> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/
[07:44] <\sh> evening
[07:44] <\sh> *yawn*
[07:44] <slomo> hi \sh :)
[07:47] <hub> slomo: I did. but I use cdbs
[07:48] <hub> slomo: but I found it. I should add Depends: ${cli:Depends}
[07:48] <hub> slomo: and run dh_clideps
[07:48] <slomo> hub: look at my cowbell package... also uses cdbs and everything
[07:48] <hub> slomo: I looked at muinescrobbler
[07:48] <slomo> what package are you packaging? and maybe join #ubuntu-mono ;)
[07:48] <hub> autopano-sift
[07:48] <hub> already on REVU
[07:49] <slomo> the thing that wasn't compiled before but shipped binaries?
[07:49] <slomo> or was that something else?
[07:49] <hub> yep that one
[07:49] <hub> but now I build it
[07:49] <hub> I have to go guys
[07:49] <hub> talk to you later. thansk for the tips
[07:49] <slomo> ok, i'll take a look it when you uploaded it :)
[07:49] <slomo> bye
[08:09] <spayne> yo all
[08:09] <spayne> any MOTUs about>
[08:11] <slomo> yes
[08:11] <spayne> i meant another slomo :)
[08:11] <spayne> to look at my package
[08:11] <slomo> Nafallo is around ;)
[08:12] <spayne> Nafallo: ping
[08:12] <Nafallo> not really. I'm half asleep
[08:13] <Nafallo> _and_ got a headache.
[08:13] <\sh> I'll fix that utmp problem of xterm...and that's it for today...I just had too much of real life work
[08:13] <slomo> Nafallo: me too... everything is annoying today ;)
[08:13] <Nafallo> indeed
[08:15] <\sh> spayne: it's weekend...even for volunteers :)
[08:15] <tseng> spayne: resapplet looks nice
[08:15] <tseng> spayne: i am building the package
[08:16] <spayne> tseng: thanks man :-) does that mean i can send it to revu if you accept it?
[08:16] <slomo> spayne: it can be uploaded to universe afterwards...
[08:16] <slomo> revu is only for reviewing of packages
[08:17] <spayne> oh nice :)
[08:17] <tseng> if slomo, dholbach and me all like it
[08:17] <tseng> it can upload
[08:17] <spayne> slomo likes it
[08:17] <spayne> dholbach LIKED it
[08:17] <spayne> but slomo took me through rebuilding it today properly
[08:17] <slomo> tseng: why 3 people? only 2 are needed now
[08:17] <tseng> slomo: 3 looked at it
[08:17] <tseng> slomo: so thats how many it got
[08:18] <spayne> i thought it was 2
[08:18] <spayne> slomo has
[08:18] <spayne> bddebian has
[08:18] <spayne> dholbach HAD
[08:18] <spayne> and tseng is
[08:18] <sistpoty> seems like it got too many votes :P
[08:19] <tseng> i will upload it shortly
[08:19] <tseng> but it will go to NEW
[08:19] <spayne> tseng: thanks :)
[08:19] <\sh> spayne: so u have to wait for elmo
[08:20] <spayne> \sh: elmo? why?
[08:20] <tseng> new packages require manual approval
[08:20] <spayne> from elmo?
[08:20] <\sh> spayne: he is pushing NEWs to the archive after he looked over it
[08:20] <tseng> yes
[08:20] <\sh> spayne: yes
[08:20] <spayne> tseng: but you can upload it?
[08:21] <tseng> yes
[08:21] <tseng> but it wont go to the archive
[08:21] <spayne> right
[08:21] <tseng> it will go to elmo, then the archive :)
[08:21] <spayne> so will it appear on breezy-changes?
[08:21] <tseng> no
[08:21] <tseng> it will appear nowhere actually
[08:21] <tseng> since oyu arent whitlisted
[08:21] <\sh> it will appear on kati...
[08:21] <tseng> whitelisted
[08:21] <tseng> \sh: no it wont
[08:22] <tseng> but in any case, its uploaded
[08:22] <\sh> tseng: not? new sourceuploads get a message like...hmmm...or?
[08:22] <\sh> doesn't matter
[08:22] <tseng> \sh: katie doesnt send mail to people who arent whitelisted
[08:22] <\sh> tseng: right...
[08:22] <\sh> yeah
[08:23] <\sh> only whitelisted people get this nifty message
[08:23] <\sh> "Your package contains new components which requires manual editing of
[08:23] <\sh> the override file.  It is ok otherwise, so please be patient.  New
[08:23] <\sh> packages are usually added to the override file about once a week."
[08:23] <spayne> what is kati?
[08:23] <tseng> katie is a script that runs on uploads
[08:23] <tseng> it will mail you when it is accepted/reject
[08:23] <tseng> or queued in NEW
[08:24] <\sh> spayne: katie is our "boxenluder" ;)
[08:24] <tseng> approved uploaders are in a whitelist to get these mails
[08:24] <sistpoty> lol @ \sh
[08:24] <tseng> and to have their name on breezy changes
[08:24] <tseng> otherwise it will say Ubuntu Installer for you
[08:24] <\sh> sistpoty: i don't know the english word...actually katie is the "katie price" of ubuntu ;)
[08:24] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:25] <slomo> sistpoty: for gvr... it is already in debian and your changes are just the ones in the changelog?
[08:26] <sistpoty> slomo: yep... i worked with upstream and dd on the 3.6.2 debian version
[08:26] <spayne> so it goes from tseng --> uploads it to build daemons --> katie ---> elmo --> archives ?
[08:26] <tseng> yes
[08:26] <tseng> most of the time you get to skip elmo
[08:26] <tseng> well actually
[08:26] <tseng> me -> incoming -
[08:27] <tseng> > katie -> build daemons
[08:27] <tseng> it doesnt build before elmo
[08:27] <slomo> sistpoty: ok... *looks at the debdiff*
[08:27] <spayne> \sh: been trying SUSE?
[08:27] <slomo> \sh: why do you use it? ;)
[08:27] <tseng> if that happens to matter
[08:27] <\sh> slomo: not me...our colleagues from iesy are using suse
[08:27] <sistpoty> slomo: you should rather debdiff to 3.6.2 from debian ;)
[08:27] <\sh> slomo: but I had to reconfigure all machines :(
[08:27] <\sh> slomo: with YAST!
[08:27] <tseng> \sh: even spayne swore off suse now
[08:27] <tseng> \sh: it is bad for your health
[08:28] <spayne> yeh - i can to the realisation it is a pile of bollox :)
[08:28] <tseng> and our mono and kde teams are elite
[08:28] <\sh> tseng: well...me too...but what should i do...I just searched the bloody nfs mounts...and I didn't find it
[08:28] <spayne> tseng: you read my blog?
[08:28] <tseng> spayne: it seems to pop up different places
[08:28] <\sh> tseng: so i used vi...and this guy from iesy was looking at me
[08:28] <tseng> spayne: like planet ifolder
[08:28] <tseng> \sh: haha
[08:28] <spayne> tseng: :)
[08:28] <\sh> spayne: url?
[08:29] <slomo> \sh: evil :(
[08:29] <spayne> \sh: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/blog
[08:30] <slomo> sistpoty: uploaded
[08:30] <sistpoty> slomo: cool, thx ;)
[08:31] <slomo> hmm... i believe i've created my longest blog entry now =)
[08:31] <spayne> slomo: url?
[08:32] <slomo> spayne: one moment... i need to look for errors again ;)
[08:32] <tseng> i wonder how Mez is doing with ifolder
[08:32] <\sh> slomo: where?
[08:33] <slomo> \sh, spayne: http://slomosnail.de/2005/10/01/back-from-jaoo/
[08:33] <spayne> tseng: i was wondering as well
[08:33] <tseng> slomo: why arent you on planet
[08:34] <tseng> for that matter, why arent I on planet
[08:34] <slomo> tseng: no idea... let's ask jdub? ;)
[08:36] <tseng> woo
[08:38] <slomo> sistpoty: did katie talk to you?
[08:39] <sistpoty> slomo: not yet... but the line from her too me is quite laggy ;)
[08:39] <tseng> i just got done saying that katie only talks to whitelisted users
[08:39] <sistpoty> tseng: /me is whitelisted ;)
[08:39] <tseng> cheers.
[08:40] <spayne> tseng: what do i have to do to become a whitelisted user
[08:40] <sistpoty> spayne: ping elmo about it
[08:40] <sistpoty> (or mail him)
[08:40] <tseng> s/or//
[08:40] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:40] <tseng> james.troup@
[08:40] <tseng> c.com
[08:41] <tseng> figure out the rest
[08:41] <sistpoty> slomo: now katie said hello  to me
[08:41] <sistpoty> :)
[08:41] <slomo> sistpoty: ok... fine :)
[08:41] <slomo> breezy-changes seems to be really laggy today... or it ate my previous upload and built it anyway ;)
[08:42] <tseng> i think the lists were broken for awhile
[08:42] <slomo> spayne: better write a mail... he doesn't work on weekends afaik
[08:42] <spayne> i have loads and loads of updates today like gnome-themes and none of them are on breezy-changes
[08:43] <spayne> tseng: how does Xephyr run?
[08:44] <bmonty> what happens if two packages try to install the same file?
[08:44] <tseng> spayne: it runs great
[08:44] <slomo> bmonty: they can't be installed at the same time
[08:44] <tseng> spayne: if thats how you mean
[08:44] <bmonty> slomo: so..dont do it :)
[08:44] <spayne> tseng: yeh
[08:44] <slomo> bmonty: yes... in most cases don't do it ;)
[08:45] <slomo> bmonty: otherwise do Conflicts etc...
[08:45] <bmonty> slomo: got it, thanks
[08:45] <slomo> bmonty: for some packages that replace others this is needed... for example the esd and esd-alsa packages
[08:45] <spayne> tseng: how is resapplet going?
[08:45] <bmonty> slomo: it an icon file...I'm moving it to the -common package
[08:47] <slomo> bmonty: what package is it?
[08:47] <bmonty> slomo: lyx
[08:48] <tseng> spayne: i said i uploaded it awhile ago
[08:48] <tseng> spayne: its out of my hands
[08:48] <slomo> bmonty: wah... evil package ;) but yes, moving it to the common package may solve it
[08:48] <spayne> tseng: whoops! didn't know you were talking to me - just need to wait for elmo. thanks again
[08:49] <tseng> np
[08:49] <bmonty> slomo: it isn't that bad, but I already messed up the .desktop/icon once, so I want to make sure I get it right
[08:50] <slomo> bmonty: it takes to long to compile imho ;) and lyx isn't that useful for me... i like doing my latex stuff in vim and it seems to be easier than lyx for me ;)
[08:51] <spayne> tseng: actually, i need some help, i'm trying to package another application but a mono one
[08:51] <bmonty> slomo: you are right about the long compile!  I don't use latex, so I couldn't say if the program is useful or not.
[08:51] <spayne> tseng: when i run it, i get this error "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libgobject-2.0-0.dll
[08:51] <spayne> "
[08:51] <slomo> spayne: wrong dllmapping probable
[08:51] <spayne> is that a problem w/ the app?
[08:52] <slomo> spayne: yes but smething you can fix... just look at the cli policy
[08:52] <slomo> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/
[08:52] <spayne> slomo: it is an old mono app but a kick ass one
[08:52] <slomo> name?
[08:52] <spayne> timeline
[08:52] <spayne> one of Nat's creations
[08:52] <spayne> it makes a pie chart of system usage
[08:53] <spayne> and makes a report of how much time you have done with each app
[08:53] <spayne> like Emacs: 39 hours
[08:53] <slomo> want to give me an url? :)
[08:54] <spayne> doesn't have one :) apart from an entry on Nat's blog
[08:54] <spayne> nat.org/2004/august/#22-August-2004
[08:54] <spayne> it can make HTML reports, text ones + the pie chart thing
[08:55] <spayne> whoops! it ain't system usage but time usage
[08:56] <slomo> hm... so package it :) maybe this is useful for some folks ;)
[08:56] <spayne> i can't get it to build though
[08:56] <slomo> wonderful... pastebin? ;)
[08:56] <tseng> there is no glib 2.0.0.0
[08:56] <spayne> where do i make the libgobject-2.0-0.dll.config
[08:57] <tseng> or probably gobject if that is different
[08:57] <slomo> spayne: look at my... hmm... banshee package for examples of how creating your own .config files
[08:57] <spayne> tseng: it must have existed once
[08:57] <spayne> this is helpful http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s7.2
[08:57] <spayne> but it doesn't say where to make it
[08:57] <tseng> ok should i tell you again
[08:57] <spayne> it doesn't exist
[08:58] <tseng> libgfoo-2.0.0.0 is from gtk-sharp 1.9
[08:58] <tseng> we have gtk-sharp 2.3.91
[08:58] <tseng> assemblies are now called 2.4.0.0
[08:58] <slomo> tseng: the problem seems to be something else... native libraries
[08:59] <tseng> why would their be a missing dll error for a native library
[09:00] <slomo> [DllImport("libgobject-2.0-0.dll")]  would do exactly that error he pasted before
[09:00] <spayne> this was written one year ago...
[09:00] <slomo> hm... but glib-sharp has this <dllmap dll="libgobject-2.0-0.dll" target="libgobject-2.0.so.0"/>
[09:01] <tseng> oh that is digusting
[09:01] <spayne> what is disgusting?
[09:01] <tseng> anyway enough screwing around guessing, someone needs to look at the code and get it over with
[09:01] <tseng> spayne: aliasing a .dll to a native library?
[09:01] <tseng> spayne: and then p/invoking it anyway
[09:01] <slomo> tseng: right... enough guessing =)
[09:01] <tseng> unmanaged
[09:02] <slomo> tseng: the .dll is also used for p/invoking gtk for example... they've used it to be compatible with .net on windows
[09:02] <tseng> yeah yeah
[09:03] <tseng> i like what lewing does
[09:03] <tseng> he writes .config in autoconf
[09:03] <slomo> ...which is probably the only really portable way to do it
[09:04] <spayne> it says 'using GLib;' in Tray.cs but i don't see that as a problem
[09:04] <slomo> spayne: grep for DllImport
[09:04] <spayne> or is the problem in the configure/makefile
[09:04] <spayne> slomo: in the source?
[09:05] <slomo> wouldn't make sense anywhere else, would it? ;)
[09:06] <tseng> hopefully Tray.cs isnt the broken one
[09:06] <slomo> no... it's a wrapper around eggtrayicon
[09:07] <slomo> i already looked at it ;)
[09:07] <tseng> i think that one is broken too
[09:07] <tseng> in different ways
[09:07] <tseng> according to abock
[09:07] <slomo> maybe... but it is used in tomboy for example and works good there
[09:07] <tseng> who seems to hate any code he didnt write
[09:07] <slomo> hehe
[09:07] <spayne> slomo: running 'grep dllimport *' gives no results
[09:07] <slomo> spayne: wrong case... DllImport
[09:08] <slomo> tseng: did he answer your release question?
[09:08] <tseng> no
[09:08] <spayne> grep DllImport * still fails
[09:08] <tseng> grep -R DllImport *
[09:08] <spayne> or maybe not!
[09:08] <slomo> spayne: try -R
[09:08] <spayne> it is in src/FocusTracker.cs:
[09:08] <spayne> [DllImport("libgobject-2.0-0.dll")] 
[09:08] <tseng> yes
[09:08] <spayne> what should it be?
[09:09] <slomo> so make a working .config file
[09:09] <spayne> .config file?
[09:09] <slomo> or adjust the one that is maybe provided with the package
[09:09] <slomo> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s7.2
[09:09] <spayne> there is no .config file
[09:09] <tseng> he said make one
[09:10] <tseng> please listen :(
[09:10] <tseng> before we get to far is this software actually maintained
[09:10] <tseng> or just a hack
[09:10] <spayne> tseng: it is in GNOME CVS
[09:10] <spayne> tseng: but i don't know if it is maintained
[09:11] <spayne> tseng: but i'd like to try it for my personal usage
[09:11] <tseng> ok, but be advised that we dont like to take stuff with dead upstreams
[09:11] <slomo> spayne: ask the author if it is still maintained
[09:11] <spayne> getting intouch with Nat Friedman is near impossible
[09:12] <spayne> i don't think it is
[09:12] <tseng> exactly
[09:12] <tseng> but the point is, the last commits are 10 months ago
[09:12] <spayne> yeh
[09:12] <slomo> maybe it is already "perfect" ;)
[09:12] <tseng> slomo: apperantly not.
[09:12] <spayne> don't start thinking like djb :)
[09:13] <tseng> spayne: hahaha well played!
[09:13] <\sh> damn...folled myself...
[09:13] <slomo> tseng: that's why i added the quotes around perfect :P
[09:13] <\sh> bug on eric3 but eric is the correct package
[09:13] <\sh> fooled myself even
[09:13] <spayne> tseng: don't shout at me but...
[09:14] <spayne> tseng: where do i put the libgobject-2.0-0.dll.config
[09:14] <spayne> in the lib dir for timeline?
[09:14] <spayne> in /usr/lib
[09:14] <slomo> spayne: no... all wrong ;)
[09:14] <slomo> name it timeline.exe.config
[09:14] <slomo> and put it next to the exe
[09:14] <tseng> "bar.dll.config should be installed to the same directory as bar.dll."
[09:14] <spayne> got it :)
[09:15] <tseng> great
[09:16] <spayne> and it still fails - i will pastebin the .config
[09:16] <spayne> http://pastebin.com/379884
[09:17] <spayne> it is: /usr/local/lib/timeline/Timeline.exe.config
[09:17] <slomo> don't forget the .dll
[09:17] <spayne> oh yeh :)
[09:17] <tseng> map exactly what it DllImports
[09:17] <spayne> is that timeline.exe.dll.config?
[09:18] <tseng> huh?
[09:18] <slomo> no
[09:18] <tseng> no.
[09:18] <slomo> <dllmap dll="libgobject-2.0-0.dll" target="libgobject-2.0.so.0"/>
[09:18] <tseng> yes
[09:19] <spayne> thanks slomo
[09:19] <spayne> and is the file name what i said?
[09:19] <tseng> no
[09:19] <tseng> timeline.exe.config
[09:19] <spayne> oh right
[09:20] <spayne> woo! it runs
[09:20] <spayne> and crashes...
[09:21] <tseng> great
[09:21] <spayne> http://pastebin.com/379887
[09:21] <spayne> it runs until i move to another app
[09:22] <slomo> hehe
[09:22] <slomo> tell nat about it ;)
[09:22] <tseng> i doubt he cares
[09:22] <spayne> tseng: maybe i should forget this one
[09:22] <tseng> spayne: well, you learned something
[09:22] <tseng> spayne: we'll call it a win
[09:23] <tseng> dllmap is very important
[09:23] <spayne> yeh
[09:23] <spayne> can anyone recommend any small apps i can try packaging
[09:23] <spayne> not KDE stuff though
[09:24] <slomo> not really... if i had one i would've packaged it already ;)
[09:24] <spayne> resapplet wasn't packaged :)
[09:24] <slomo> i don't need it and didn't know about it ;)
[09:25] <LaserJock> is it better for a learning packager to look for new packages to make of fix packages that are haveing problems?
[09:25] <tseng> both
[09:25] <slomo> both
[09:26] <ivoks> hi
[09:26] <sistpoty2> hi ivoks
[09:26] <sistpoty2> sistpoty: be gone!
[09:26] <ivoks> :)
[09:27] <tseng>  msg nickserv ghost sistpoty passwd
[09:27] <tseng>  nick sistpoty
[09:27] <sistpoty2> yeah... but i gow my pw wrong *g+
[09:27] <sistpoty2> :)
[09:29] <sistpoty> hi mbreit
[09:29] <mbreit> hey all
[09:29] <mbreit> hi sistpoty
[09:29] <slomo> ok... i'll leave now :) have a nice evening everybody ;)
[09:29] <tseng> spayne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates < ideas
[09:29] <mbreit> hehe... bye slomo ;)
[09:29] <sistpoty> cya slomo
[09:30] <slomo> btw... sistpoty... propose you as MOTU for the next meeting ;)
[09:30] <sistpoty> slomo: that's now handled by lp, isn't it?
[09:30] <spayne> ooh - the same meeting i am being proposed for a member
[09:31] <sistpoty> slomo: then I should be proposed already... ;)
[09:31] <slomo> sistpoty: yes
[09:31] <slomo> ok, anyway...
[09:31] <sistpoty> spayne: imo membership is councilmeeting, maintainership tb-meeting
[09:31] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:31] <tseng> spayne: http://www.snorp.net/log/?p=55 i suggest this
[09:31] <spayne> oh well
[09:32] <spayne> tseng: looks nice - i will give it a go
[09:32] <slomo> spayne: and don't touch ipod-sharp... i have a new version lying on my hdd which only needs to be uploaded ;)
[09:33] <ivoks> upload it!
[09:33] <tseng> no
[09:33] <tseng> !
[09:33] <ivoks> :))
[09:33] <slomo> no! it breaks our current banshee... i have to wait for a new release before i upload it ;)
[09:33] <slomo> anyway....
[09:33] <mbreit> bye slomo  ;)
[09:34] <spayne> how the hell do i use Bazaar?
[09:35] <tseng> baz get http://www.snorp.net/bazaar/dopi--dev--0.0 dopi
[09:35] <spayne> thanks tsen
[09:35] <spayne> *tseng
[09:36] <tseng> time for a nap i think
[09:36] <spayne> have a good one :)
[09:37] <spayne> i'm sure i'll need help!
[09:37] <sistpoty> gn8 tseng
[09:45] <spayne> tseng: can't do dopi - it needs ipod-sharp 0.5.5
[09:45] <\sh> hmmm...looks like that the mail server is slow
[09:51] <spayne> \sh: what was the link to that website that said how strong the key is?
[09:52] <\sh> spayne: you can get one link from biglumber
[09:52] <\sh> checkyour contact and there is a link...
[09:53] <spayne> what is it called?
[09:54] <\sh> sorry phone
[09:59] <\sh> I'm p*ssed now
[09:59] <\sh> callcenter agents are sometimes...*censored*
[10:00] <thesaltydog> :-9
[10:01] <\sh> spayne: u search for the contact of you...then click on this contact and there is text written like: trace from this id to your ide <enter here>
[10:13] <sistpoty> cya guys
[10:18] <thesaltydog> hi
[11:01] <tseng> spayne: in a few days, then
[11:17] <\sh> night guys...cu next morning