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MachineScrewMr_owen: do sudo apt-get remove ndiswrapper-utils12:03
Mr_owendone12:03
MachineScrewMr_owen: ok do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils12:03
Mr_owendone12:04
MachineScrewMr_owen: ok good now do sudo ndisrapper -i WinXP/rt2500.inf12:04
zepticoni need to know how to get my screen res up to 1280x102412:04
Mr_owenallready installed12:04
Flokeri need to sleep12:04
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MachineScrewdamn12:05
MachineScrewok new plan12:05
Mr_owen:)12:05
MachineScrewhttp://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R81435.EXE download this one12:06
MachineScrewMr_owen: unzip it with "unzip -a" and use the bcmwl5.inf in directory AR12:06
Mr_owenhow can i unzip a .exe file ? 12:07
MachineScrewMr_owen: unzip it with "unzip -a" and use the bcmwl5.inf in directory AR12:08
MachineScrewso yes12:08
MachineScrewits a cab file12:08
MachineScrewor somthing of that nature12:08
Mr_owenok done unzipping 12:08
Mr_owenone moment sorry12:08
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MachineScrewok now do sudo ndiswrapper -i AR/bcmwl5.inf12:09
havocbah12:10
havocnow *I* need help :(12:10
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havocwhen I run xawtv the screen gets messed up when I move the mouse, and running with -nofb and/or -nodga makes no difference;  I am using the flgrx driver on the breezy preview instead of the native xorg ati driver12:11
havocnalioth: any clues, oh mighty one?12:12
epilochow do i kill xine?12:12
MachineScrewhavoc: is v4l module loaded12:12
naliothi dont have xawtv capability, unfortunately12:12
MachineScrewhavoc: is v4l module in the xorg.conf12:12
havocMachineScrew: according to lsmod, yes12:12
havocnalioth: :(12:13
havocMachineScrew: lemme check12:13
MachineScrewhavoc: also check your card settings12:13
MachineScrewhavoc: make shure you are not loading any unnesisary stuff12:13
havocMachineScrew: 'v4l' not found in xorg.cong12:13
MachineScrewMr_owen: you still with me12:14
Mr_owenone moment pls12:14
havocMachineScrew: just add "v4l" in the "Module" section?12:14
MachineScrewhavoc: ok ya that would be fine12:14
havocnalioth: I need my TV :)12:14
naliothhavoc: i find ATI support to be fuX0rd12:14
havocMachineScrew: ok, I'll try it12:14
naliothhavoc: try the VESA driver12:14
Mr_owenhave a phonecall12:14
havocnalioth: yeah, me too :(12:14
MachineScrewhavoc: make shure to remove any thing regarding fb12:15
havocbrb, restart X12:15
havocMachineScrew: ok12:15
MachineScrewhavoc: ok now12:17
`Nomadzepticon: try right-clicking on the desktop area and picking "Configure Desktop"12:17
havocbah, still doing it :(12:17
MachineScrewdamn12:17
MachineScrewok12:17
havocalso, when I start xawtv the screen goes blank;  I do ctrl-alt-<numpad + then -> to fix12:17
MachineScrewhavoc: try zapping12:18
havocMachineScrew: 'zapping'?12:18
MachineScrewok kwintv somthing like that12:18
havocah, hang on12:18
havocI actually have a kwintv config somewhere12:18
MachineScrewhavoc: sorry zapping is a GNOME prog12:18
havocMachineScrew: it makes no difference12:19
havocI run a lot of gnome stuff in kde, and vice versa12:19
MachineScrewok12:19
havochmm, why *does* "kubuntu" exist?12:19
havocvs. just havign KDE packages, which is all it is12:20
havocI'm just curious12:20
MachineScrewfor those who want cosisntancy in all apps and not all of GNOME12:20
havocright, but you can just install the packages12:21
havocor the ubuntu installer could ask if you wanted gnome and/or kde12:21
crimsunare you volunteering to add the bits to d-i? :)12:22
MachineScrewhavoc; or you could do a server install and run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop12:22
gdhhavoc: the simple answer... is simply because X + GNOME + KDE won't fit on a 700MB CD12:22
havocMachineScrew: ah, I didn't know there was a meta-package12:22
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havocgdh: yeah, I can understand that12:22
havocgdh: mandrake uses 3 CDs to get it done12:22
MachineScrewhavoc: that is why12:23
gdhyeh, and worse.. it's 1) full of crap and 2) french :)12:23
havocgdh: it's also fairly nice12:23
havocbut I don't like 'holy wars'12:23
MachineScrewhavoc: SuSE uses 5 or one or 2 DVDs12:23
havocI'm converting all my stuff to ubuntu12:23
MachineScrewI realy don't care12:23
MachineScrewUbuntu Kubuntu 12:23
havocMachineScrew: yeah, me too12:23
MachineScrewjust as long as its fast12:24
havocI personally run kde, but I also run a bunch of gtk+ apps, like galeon12:24
MachineScrewFC SuSE Mandrake all sloooowww12:24
TokenBadis there different audio codecs for kde than for gnome? I was running gnome and played clips and audio was fine...then switched to kubuntu desktop and now sound jumps and skips12:24
MachineScrewYa I run Firefox and VMware both gtk-based12:24
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havocbah12:24
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havoc!find kwintv12:25
MachineScrewno KDE also has a image editor12:25
mr_robotosorry for offtopic but does anyone here use Umbrello? nobody answering in #umbrello12:25
MachineScrewuse synaptic and search TV12:25
gdhVMware looks like a horrid old Motif app...12:25
havocI use it cuz it's what I have my clients and their uses use12:25
havocMachineScrew: did, well, used apt-cache search12:25
MachineScrewNa 5 is better they use GTK 12:25
MachineScrewok12:25
gdhk, am still with 4.5.212:25
ubotuUbuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kwintv' returned no results.12:26
MachineScrewya pirate 512:26
havocwas my ubotu command incorrect?12:26
MachineScrewits better12:26
havocbah12:26
havocbah, no mplayer either12:27
gdhhavoc: mplayer is in universe.12:27
havoc!find mplayer12:27
ubotuUbuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer.12:27
havocgdh: I have universe, just not multiverse12:27
havocubotu: tell me about repos12:27
jrattner1Iget the following error when starting armops: Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual , any clues12:27
gdhmaybe it's in multiverse then :)12:27
TokenBadis there different audio codecs for kde than for gnome? I was running gnome and played clips and audio was fine...then switched to kubuntu desktop and now sound jumps and skips12:28
slow-motionn812:28
TokenBadalso I get error in mplayer12:28
jrattner1GLX is listed as a suppoerted extension under KinfoCenter12:28
TokenBadabout audio encoder on some avi's12:28
gdhyeh Filename: pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-586_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9_i386.deb12:28
MachineScrewhavoc: hey did you get gatos12:28
havocMachineScrew: 'gatos'?12:29
havocgdh: yeah, I was installing galeon so I could find the sources line for it :)12:29
MachineScrewhavoc: ya its ATI All In wonder capture 12:29
MachineScrewits in the repos12:30
havocMachineScrew: oh yeah, now I remember what it is12:30
gdhhavoc: duplicate the 'universe' one in sources.list and change universe to multiverse... :)12:30
havocbut I have a hauppagge WinTV BTTV card12:30
havocsimplest TV card to use in linux12:30
MachineScrewoh ok12:30
MachineScrewwell12:30
MachineScrewkvdr12:30
MachineScrewthen12:30
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funkyHathas anyone else had problems with amaroK crashing under breezy? (sorry to ask again, i had to go quickly)12:30
havocMachineScrew: only like $40 too12:30
gdhMachineScrew: Come on, analogue bttv card's going to be no use with VDR...12:30
crimsunfunkyHat, under what circumstances?12:31
funkyHatit's not the problem someone mentioned with the sound system... it's a problem with the library12:31
havocgdh: they make soem nice ones w/ MPEG chips onboard, but that's nto what I have12:31
funkyHatit crashes when it tries to generate it's media library12:31
Mr_owenmachinescrew: i'm back12:31
MachineScrewhavoc: eather kvdr or zapping12:31
gdhhavoc: Yeh, I have one of the full-featured ones.. watching cartoon network on TV at the moment wirh it :)12:31
Mr_owensorry for the delay, my gf as on the phone :)12:31
MachineScrewMr_owen: did it unzip12:32
Mr_owenyes12:32
havocgdh: ncie :)12:32
Mr_owenno i have to do ndiswrapper -i with what file again ? 12:32
havocgah, no emacs?12:32
gdhhavoc: the whole software xine-plugin or softdevice thing with VDR just fills me with pain...12:32
MachineScrewok now do sudo ndiswrapper -i AR/bcmwl5.inf12:33
Mr_owenwith the 5a or just the ...5.inf12:33
Mr_owenok12:33
MachineScrewthe 5.inf12:33
Mr_owenhe installed that12:33
Mr_owenforcing parameter .... 12:33
Mr_owencouple of times12:33
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havocok, I need another beer12:34
MachineScrewMr_owen: ??12:35
Mr_owenyes ? 12:35
Mr_owenhe installed 12:35
MachineScrewMr_owen: who12:35
funkyHatcrimsun, i'm actually running gnome, but there's not a comparable media player native to gnome so i use amaroK12:35
Mr_owenthe .inf file12:35
havocall I really need (want) is galeon, xawtv, gkrellm, xmms, and a billion konsoles12:35
MachineScrewMr_owen: did you run the -i command12:36
crimsunI settle for a billion terminal emulators12:36
Mr_owenyes12:36
inc|freakyamarok is the best ^^12:36
MachineScrewMr_owen: ok and it worked12:36
Mr_owenyes i think so12:36
Mr_owenit said: installing bcmlw5 12:36
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MachineScrewMr_owen: now do sudo ndiswrapper -m12:37
havocgdh: yo, should I copy the security lines as well?12:37
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MachineScrewMr_owen: then sudo ndiswrapper -hotplug12:37
gdhcan't do any harm, I suppose :)12:37
Mr_owenadding alias ... 12:37
havocor is there no breezy-security for multiverse?12:37
havocok12:37
MachineScrewMr_owen: awsome12:37
Mr_owenok did the -hotplug12:37
MachineScrewMr_owen: the last thing in the console12:38
MachineScrewMr_owen: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper12:38
Mr_owenok 12:38
MachineScrewMr_owen: any errors ?12:38
Mr_owennope12:38
MachineScrewMr_owen: are the lights on on the card12:39
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Mr_owennope12:39
Mr_owen:d12:39
MachineScrewthat might not meen much12:39
MachineScrewsome don't come on untill connected12:39
MachineScrewto an ap12:39
Mr_owenhm12:39
MachineScrewok open the k menu12:39
Mr_oweni have a powerlight and a transfer light, i think the power light should be burning 12:40
Mr_owenbut ok12:40
MachineScrewoh ok 12:40
MachineScrewunplug it then pluig it back in12:40
havocgah, no kwintv found still :(12:40
havocgot mplayer now though12:40
MachineScrewhavoc: use the force get the source12:41
havocI'm sure there's a deb for it, just not an ubuntu package12:41
havocand I really want to use xawtv anyway12:41
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MachineScrewMr_owen: how is it now12:42
_ben12:42
vitriolanybody know why glxgears wouldn't tell the fps?12:42
MachineScrewvitriol: did you run it from a console12:43
vitriolfgl_glxgears does, but i'm not getting any results from glxgears12:43
vitriolMachineScrew: yeah12:43
MachineScrewvitriol:  run glxgears in the console12:43
vitrioli ran it in the console12:44
MachineScrewyou have to let it run for a wile12:44
vitriol?12:44
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vitriolmore than 5 seconds?12:44
MachineScrewgues not12:44
Mr_owenhi sorry12:44
Mr_owengot disconnected12:44
MachineScrewok12:45
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vitrioli let it run for ~ 2 minutes12:45
Mr_owenopen the k menu was the last thing i saw12:45
vitriolno results in the console12:45
vitriolat least i have drm/dri all that other junk :)12:45
MachineScrewok unplug the card and plug it back in12:45
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Mr_owennope12:45
Mr_owenstill no lights12:46
MachineScrewrun sudo /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart12:46
Mr_owenstarting pcmcia services12:47
Mr_owenbut still no lights12:47
MachineScrewok never mind that lets see if the kernel sees it12:47
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MachineScrewrun iwconfig12:47
havocmofo12:47
Mr_owenwlan0 12:47
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havocno mount.smbfs in ubuntu :(12:47
Tm_Tthere is?12:48
MachineScrewis any info for wlan0 there12:48
Mr_owenyeah12:48
Mr_owena lot 12:48
Mr_owen:)12:48
Tm_Thavoc: there is12:48
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MachineScrewok cool then the kernel sees it and its ready to be configured12:48
havocTm_T: not that I can find12:49
Mr_owenkewl12:49
havocnow I have to change all my scripts :(12:49
MachineScrewgo to the K and then System Settings12:49
Mr_owenok12:50
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havocgah, man page says there's a /sbin/mount.smbfs but there isn't, mount isn't even in sbin12:50
Mr_oweni'm in the system settings12:50
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MachineScrewnow go to network settings12:51
Mr_owenok12:51
Mr_owenenabled network device is my onboard cable one that i use now 12:51
Mr_owenand it also shows a disabled wirelles one 12:51
MachineScrewfirst configure the one that is the disabled one12:52
Mr_oweni can't configure them12:52
Mr_owenthey are light grey12:52
MachineScrewyou have to be admin12:52
Mr_owenhow can i do that ? 12:53
MachineScrewcan you see the admin button12:53
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Mr_owenno there is none 12:53
MachineScrewok hit tab once then hit enter12:53
Mr_owenah ok there is 12:54
MachineScrewthen type in your password12:54
Mr_owenyeah done12:54
Mr_oweni can configure it 12:54
MachineScrewya12:54
Mr_owenip via dhcp and activate when computer starts i gues 12:55
epiloccan anyone help me shut down xine with out a restart?12:55
MachineScrewya12:55
MachineScrewepiloc: run killall xine12:55
Mr_owenbut when i push enable 12:55
havocok, had to install smbfs12:55
Mr_owenit says it enables it 12:55
havocall is well12:55
Mr_owenbut than it disables emidiatley after12:55
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MachineScrewyou have to disable the current one and enable the new one12:56
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epilocMachineScrew: i tried that a dozen times12:56
epilocthe windows will not close12:56
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cynewhere would the linux kernel headers be in kubuntu?12:57
crimsunin the package linux-headers-$(uname -r)|12:57
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crimsun-|12:57
cynecrimsun, well i have it installed12:57
cyneaccording to kynaptic12:57
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MachineScrewepiloc: control+alt+backspace12:57
vitriolhow do you know which version of kde  you have?12:58
crimsuncyne, so /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build is valid?12:58
Mr_owendoesnt work12:58
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`NomadMachineScrew: Guess CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE worked.. :)12:59
cddesjaris there a way to restart x on the kubuntu live cd?12:59
cyneyes12:59
cddesjari've tried xkill12:59
cynecrimsun: yes it is12:59
cddesjarand /etc/init.d/kdm stop12:59
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cddesjarand they crash12:59
havocgah, no themes package for gkrellm :(12:59
mattydoesn't work12:59
cddesjarand i've tried to go into telinit 101:00
mattyi disables immediately 01:00
cddesjarbut it doesn't work01:00
cynecrimsun: oh, actually, there is no build dir01:00
mattyeven when i shut down the other one 01:00
cddesjarany ideas?01:00
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cddesjaralso i don't know remember how to restart cardmgr?01:00
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crimsuncyne, then the package is not installed01:00
cddesjari am getting an error and i want to post it here or elsewhere to see if someone can help me fix my card01:00
cynecrimsun: i will try a reinstall01:00
cddesjarcardctl recognizes my card 01:00
Mr_owenmachinescrew: it still doesnt work01:00
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crimsuncyne, just --reinstall the package01:01
MachineScrewtry reboting then it might work01:01
Mr_owenok01:02
Mr_owenbrb01:02
cynecrimsun: ok.. it's strange though, it says i have linux version 2.6.10-5 and in kynaptic it says the package 'linux-kernel-headers' is version 2.5.999-test701:02
JustinSMorning all (it's 8am here) .. Just a couple questions about my newly installed Kubuntu on my HP Pavilion dv4000 .. First can I make root active? (I'm not a fan of su) and second .. are there some good how to's on getting the wifi to work? Mine shows up, but it hooks to the wrong router and it's not connected to the internet.01:03
crimsuncyne, are we talking about the same thing?01:03
cynecrimsun: i don't know, i'm a noob01:03
crimsuncyne, linux-kernel-headers is used for libc601:03
crimsuncyne, if linux-headers-$(uname -r) is used to compile kernel modules01:03
crimsun-if01:03
cddesjardo restart cardmgr do i just type sudo cardmgr restart?01:04
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JustinSIn cli I did sudo passwd root .. then gave it a good passwd, then when I open things that need root's password it seems to think I put the wrong one in ..01:05
cynegotcha crimsun thanks :)01:05
crimsunnp01:06
JustinScan I open kcontrol via su? It keeps handing me a screen full of Attach failed stuff ..01:06
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mr_owenmachinescrew ? 01:08
god-zeroJustinS: use kdesu kcontrol01:08
mr_owennow the wlan is gone from the list 01:08
mr_owen:s01:08
JustinSgod-zero: I'll try that thanks ..01:09
MachineScrewmr_owen: damn01:09
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MachineScrewmr_owen: I am at a loss01:10
MachineScrewmr_owen: you need to do modprobe ndiswrapper01:10
MachineScrewmr_owen: again01:10
mr_owenok01:11
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mr_owennow its back01:12
JustinSIs there somewhere else I can play with my wifi than kontrol center>wireless network and KWifiManager? My card is on and all, just not seeing MY router. (It's seeing someones linksys. Mine is password protected) ..01:12
mr_owenbut now i can't reconfigure them anymore01:13
mr_owenwhen i input my admin pass, it doesn't change anything 01:13
mr_owenstill there machinescrew ? 01:15
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MachineScrewmr_owen: ya I am not shure of what else to do01:16
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DaSkreechIs there a list of changes in KDe3.5?01:18
jmganyone know why my laptop shuts down after coming back from soft suspend?01:19
jrattner1where can i configure my resolution from within KDE01:21
jrattner1?01:21
jmgjrattner: display01:21
inc|freakylet the music heal your soul *sings* 01:22
inc|freakydamn im bored ^^01:22
hippie10how to change "open home in the konqueror"?01:22
jmghippie10: configure konqueror01:22
jrattner1jmg, see now fglrx is running, but my resoltion is terrible should i run sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and change it their?01:23
jrattner1jmg, the other problem is im not sure what my proper values should be, ubuntu automatically had configure everything for me properly in 1440x90001:23
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jmgjrattner: you can change from xserver-xorg yes01:23
jrattner1jmg, is that the easiest place to it from though01:24
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jmgjrattner1: yes... display applet is sort of broken01:24
jrattner1jmg, do I want to load glcore?01:25
jrattner1?01:26
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inc|freakyi guess yes01:26
inc|freakywhat graphiccard do you use?01:27
jmgjrattner1: yes and use module fglrx01:27
jrattner1ati01:27
jmger driver01:27
jmgjrattner1: not driver ati01:27
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jrattner1alright hope this works01:28
jrattner1brb01:28
mr_owenwhat browser are you guys using ? 01:29
mr_owenare you using konquerer ? 01:30
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jrattner1didnt work01:39
TokenBadanyone know a way to make sure have the ac3 codec?01:40
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JustinSK .. I've got my kcontrol open here, with the networks tab selected for my ethernet cards. Neither cards are active, and when I click enable my wifi card simply blinks and goes back to disabled. Help? (It's ipw2200 driver on it) ..01:41
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MachineScrewhow do I remove ndiswrapper totaly with all configs01:45
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TokenBadok I don't have the ac3 codec..anyone know how I can get it?01:51
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Tranquitosi have a little question02:00
Tranquitoshow can i install the source of the running kernel? 02:00
Tranquitosi tried "apt-get install kernel-source" or things like that, but i get different versions than the running one02:01
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Tranquitosmy kernel version is 2.6.10-5-38602:01
Tranquitosany help would be appreciated :)02:02
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crimsunTranquitos, linux-source-2.6.1002:04
crimsunTranquitos, we use linux-* as a prefix, not kernel-*02:04
TokenBadok I don't have the ac3 codec..anyone know how I can get it?02:05
Tranquitoscrimsun: thank you very much, mate 02:05
Tranquitosit's installing now :)02:05
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cynei try to go to click on floppy disk in konqueror but the light doesn't even flash and it says "floppy busy"02:09
cyneoh it's ok02:10
cynenps02:10
TokenBadok question...I started with installing ubuntu and then switched to kde desktop..is it better to do that or just to download and install kubuntu?02:11
TranquitosTokenBad: i think it's the same02:12
TokenBadI am not so sure02:12
TokenBadcause when I did the switch02:12
TokenBadI started having trouble02:12
Tranquitoswhat kind of trouble?02:13
Tranquitosafaict, kubuntu is ubuntu with gnome replaced with kde02:13
TokenBadI know..but sound started acting up...02:15
TokenBadmy screensaver now will not start up on boot02:15
TokenBadunless I go to screensaver to turn it on02:15
TokenBadstuff like that02:15
Tranquitoshmm it's weird, i don't know what could be causing it02:18
TokenBadwell downloading kubuntu now...and one day may just install it to see if it fixes the problems02:19
Tranquitosmaybe breezy fixes that02:21
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mad_bull_hi i have problems with sound.... how do i go about fixing it?02:27
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crimsunwhat sort of problems?02:28
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mad_bull_oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)02:31
crimsuncat /proc/asound/modules02:32
TokenBadTranquitos, looks like hoary is still that is all that is avail for kubuntu download page02:32
mad_bull_snd_intel8x002:32
mad_bull_0 snd_intel8x002:32
mad_bull_is that the driver?02:32
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TranquitosTokenBad: yes, it is... breezy will be out during this month02:32
TokenBadk02:32
orace|there's a kubuntu breezy preview available for download02:33
crimsunmad_bull_, arts probably has already grabbed /dev/dsp* or /dev/snd/*02:33
crimsunmad_bull_, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*02:33
mad_bull_what is arts?02:33
mad_bull_crimsun: doesn't look like it02:34
mad_bull_lsof |grep /dev/dsp02:34
mad_bull_gives nuthing02:34
crimsunmad_bull_, use the precise syntax I gave you.02:35
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TokenBadI get alot of jumping and skipping in my sound when doing video02:35
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mad_bull_lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd*02:35
TokenBadonly started when went from ubuntu to kubuntu desktop02:35
mad_bull_also gives nothing02:35
mad_bull_but02:36
TokenBad19 mins and will have the preview version of breezy downloaded02:36
mad_bull_lsof |grep /dev/snd02:36
mad_bull_artsd     6146    maqbool  mem       CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p02:36
mad_bull_artsd     6146    maqbool   11u      CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p02:36
mad_bull_artsd     6146    maqbool   12r      CHR     116,33               6687 /dev/snd/timer02:36
mad_bull_kmix      6175    maqbool   10u      CHR      116,0               6952 /dev/snd/controlC002:36
mad_bull_artsd     7376    maqbool  mem       CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p02:36
mad_bull_artsd     7376    maqbool   11u      CHR     116,16               6836 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p02:36
mad_bull_oops sorry02:36
mad_bull_hmmm02:36
crimsunthen pkill artsd02:36
mad_bull_looks like artsd and kmix have grabbed /dev/snd right?02:36
crimsunjust as I thought.02:37
Tranquitosis there a program like virtualdub for linux?02:37
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mad_bull_crimsun: thanks very much, learnt a new comand and fixed sound02:39
mad_bull_great02:39
crimsunnp02:40
mad_bull_ crimsun: how do i stop artsd starting up?02:41
mad_bull_because it keeps starting even though i have killed it02:41
mad_bull_its obviously another daemon which waits for an event and it starts artsd or somethign02:41
mad_bull_bloody annoying02:41
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Rogue_Jedi_XTranquitos: As far as I know, Cinelerra. I'm not sure though, so check it out yourself, just in case02:43
crimsunmad_bull_, either disable it in KDE's preferences (control center), or set the timeout for releasing the audio device for arts to a low value, like 2 seconds02:44
Tranquitosok, thanks Rogue_Jedi_X... i'll check it out now 02:44
mad_bull_crimsun: how do i get to the control center?02:45
crimsunit's in the K menu02:47
mad_bull_under system settings?02:49
crimsunperhaps. I'm not in KDE atm.02:52
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Pablo_Co.O03:01
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KiwiKibiHow do I specify the latest STABLE release ENTERPRISE edition?  And who do I contact to get CD-ROMS from?03:08
KiwiKibiin the USA03:08
KiwiKibii need delivery in the USA03:09
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KiwiKibidid i say something wrong?03:12
crimsunship-it03:12
crimsunsee the link from the Ubuntu home page.03:12
TokenBadI can download it faster...03:14
TokenBadheheh03:14
TokenBadbut I have my order in03:14
TokenBadbut don't think they are shipping anything till the new one is released03:14
TokenBadmine has been approved but hasn't shipped03:16
TokenBadtakes me 20 mins or less to download an iso03:17
KiwiKibicould someone answer my 2 simple questions?03:19
TranquitosKiwiKibi: You can order CDs from ShipIt, there is a link on Ubuntu's homepage03:20
Tranquitosand no, you did not say something wrong, i think... hehe03:21
crimsunanyone using the 3.5 beta 1 debs?03:21
crimsunif so, please apt-cache madison amarok03:21
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KiwiKibiTranquitos: thank you very much03:22
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Tranquitosno problem KiwiKibi 03:23
epphey what repo has the newest amarok03:23
claydohreezy has 1.3.103:23
claydohlatest is 1.3.2 iirc03:23
KiwiKibihow come Kubuntu webpage only lists one seller in Germany?03:23
claydohseller?03:24
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eppi have hoary... where can i get newest?03:24
claydohyou can compile it from source03:24
claydohbut I doubt any debs you eill find from amarok will work03:24
KiwiKibiyes, for the price of E0.99 Euros a CD is shipped by that Germany outfit03:24
KiwiKibihttp://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=3003:25
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claydohtry cheapbytes.com or osdisc.com or similar03:26
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KiwiKibi"Security Error: you tried to connect to shipit.ubuntu.com.  However, the certificate belongs to launchpad.net.  It is possible though unlikely that someone may be trying to intercept your communication."  . . . what gives?03:35
claydohnothing really03:35
claydohhttps://launchpad.net/03:36
claydohthey probably are providing/donating space/services03:37
god-zeroKiwiKibi: The CDs aren't for sale, they're pressed and shiped for free, the software is free... The only "Enterprise" distinction is in the support model. You may be interested in this (support) page: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/support/supportoptions/paidsupport/03:37
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KiwiKibithank you03:38
BlankB!repositories03:38
uboturepositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))03:38
claydohI don't believe Kubuntu cds are part of ship-it, am I correct?03:38
claydohhttps://launchpad.net/ looks to be part of canonical, and therefore part of Ubuntu more or less03:40
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DaSkreechis there somewhere I can find the changes from KDe 3.4 to 3.5?03:43
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TranquitosDaSkreech: www.kde.org03:44
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cddesjaris the best way to install kde 3.5 beta to: apt-get upgrade03:51
cddesjari am running breezy badger03:52
god-zerocddesjar:  http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php03:52
cddesjaryeah god-zero that doesn't say anything regarding my question03:52
cddesjari add the source to my sources.list03:52
cddesjarand i imported the key03:52
cddesjari am all ready to go03:53
cddesjarjust curious if i should upgrade it differently 03:53
god-zeroupdate + upgrade, that's all03:53
cddesjarok03:53
cddesjarthanks03:53
cddesjari figured that was all there was to it03:53
god-zerothen restart x03:54
cddesjarsure03:54
cddesjarctl alt and backspace03:54
god-zeroyep03:54
god-zerowent suprisingly smooth for me03:54
cddesjarubuntu doesn't have amarok 1.3 yet?03:55
cddesjaror is just not on the breezy preview cd?03:55
cddesjarnevermind...i'll figure it out on my own03:56
cddesjarit's pretty easy too03:56
god-zerobreezy has 1.3.1, not on the preview cd, that's getting dated03:56
cddesjarok03:56
cddesjari just switched from debian because it takes a little while for new software03:57
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god-zeroIt's funny to call a CD that's a week or two as "dated"... breezy's a moving target03:57
cddesjarbut it's frozen now right?  03:58
cddesjarno new software just security updates?  or is it different from the way the debian team handles releases?03:59
god-zerofeature frozen, a week or two ago, amarok was slid in at the last second03:59
cddesjari see04:00
god-zeroonce released, new software can be had thru backports04:00
god-zeroother than that, only security and bugfixes make it in04:01
cddesjarso just like debian then04:02
god-zerothe timing is tied to gnome so the gnome desktop is fresh... there have been some thoughts on optimizing kubuntu/kde timing04:04
KiwiKibi_what was the name of the more advance "sendmail" clone?04:07
KiwiKibi_Qmail, was it?04:07
cddesjarwhat's gnome at now 2.12?04:08
god-zeroor postfix04:08
god-zero2.12 i think, I'm a kde centric type... gnomes ok but I don't follow it too close04:09
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KiwiKibi_if i install KDE, can i still run Xfc?04:12
god-zeroyes, you can pick your desktop at the gui login04:13
KiwiKibi_'k, thanks04:13
god-zeroI don't know how good the default Xfc setup is under (k)ubuntu, but if you're used to it, I'm sure you'll bend it to your will quickly04:15
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: When 6.04 comes out there'll be a more compelling Enterprise setup  (support for 5 yrs etc iirc04:17
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Pablo_Canyone have any idea why my wireless nic, when I enable it, it immediately disables?04:23
seth_ktry it from console and see what message you get04:23
seth_kit's not being able to connect04:24
Pablo_Cugh04:24
Pablo_C:P04:24
Pablo_Chang on a sec04:24
Pablo_Cin control center when I try to go into admin mode it just hangs04:25
seth_kyeah04:25
Pablo_CI cant even enable it now04:25
seth_kin Konsole: "sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0"04:25
seth_kreplace wlan0 with the actual name04:25
Pablo_Cit has to be turned on though right?04:26
Pablo_Cin an ifconfig my wifi isnt even there04:26
seth_kohh04:27
seth_ktell me about your card04:27
seth_kchipset and things04:27
Pablo_Catheros04:27
Pablo_Cchipset04:27
Pablo_Cwww.ubnt.com   its the sr204:27
Pablo_Cshould run with the madwifi drivers though04:27
seth_kokay, internal04:27
Pablo_Cyes04:27
Pablo_CI dont know why in control center It just hangs on "loading"04:28
Pablo_Cwhen I try to go into admin 04:28
seth_kdo you have kde 3.4.2 ?04:28
Pablo_Cwhatever I downloaded of ubuntu site today04:29
Pablo_Cwhere do I check?04:29
god-zeromy dlink 650g - atheros isn't recognised under breezy either, it was under hoary.. but I don't really use it.. so I haven't looked into it04:29
seth_kyou can right click the panel, click About KDE04:29
Pablo_Cit is 3.4.004:30
seth_kokay, that will be part of the freezing problem04:31
seth_kI would suggest updating04:31
seth_kbut that's not related to wifi problems04:31
Pablo_C:)04:31
Pablo_Cand how do I update it?04:31
Pablo_Cthis apt-get is new to me04:31
seth_khttp://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php04:32
Pablo_Cok thanks04:32
seth_kfirst, you would type in CLI: "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"04:32
seth_kthen add ONE of the lines there (not all)04:32
seth_kthen in CLI: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"04:33
seth_kthen you are done :)04:33
Pablo_Cthanks mate04:34
Pablo_Coh also04:35
Pablo_Cwhen I try to compile the new madwifi drivers it asks for modular-* somthing04:36
Pablo_Cbut I cant find it in the apt-get04:36
Pablo_Cis there some more repos... that I should add?04:36
seth_kcould you find the actual name? would help ;)04:36
Pablo_Cok04:36
Pablo_Clet me run through it again04:36
Pablo_CI think I got it04:40
Pablo_Calso 04:40
Pablo_Cso I need to upgrade the kernel?04:40
Pablo_C2.6.10-5-38604:40
seth_kno, that is the latest hoary kernel04:40
seth_kIMO I would suggest waiting 15 days. Then the new version of Ubuntu will be out. It should fix your wireless issues04:41
Pablo_Cok04:41
Pablo_CI have to have wireless though :P04:41
Pablo_CI work for a wireless isp04:41
seth_kbefore 15 days? :P04:41
Pablo_Cyes04:41
seth_khmm04:41
Pablo_CI will hammer on it this weekend04:41
seth_kokay, well what thing did it ask for?04:42
seth_kyou never told me ;)04:42
Pablo_Cif I dont get it I will just throw my xp drive back in04:42
Pablo_CI know04:42
Pablo_Chang on a sec04:42
Pablo_Clet me get kde updated then I will move to the wireless04:43
seth_kok04:43
Pablo_CI hate for it to be doing to many things at once :P04:43
Pablo_Cis the speedstepping functional ?04:44
Pablo_CI notice my computer is only running at 600mhz but sees the processor at 140004:44
Pablo_Ccat cpufreq04:45
Pablo_C          minimum CPU frequency  -  maximum CPU frequency  -  policy04:45
Pablo_CCPU  0       600000 kHz ( 42 %)  -    1400000 kHz (100 %)  -  userspace04:45
seth_kmy speedstep works04:46
Pablo_Cit just straight out of the box worked04:46
Pablo_Cor did you have to do some mods?04:46
seth_kOOB04:46
Pablo_Csweetness04:46
Pablo_CI think I am going to like this distro04:47
Pablo_C:)04:47
Pablo_Cit drives me crazy not being able to be root though04:47
seth_kwhy?04:47
Pablo_CI am not used to this sudo stuff04:47
seth_ksudo04:47
seth_kmmm04:47
Pablo_Cjust different04:47
Pablo_Cnot what I am used to 04:47
seth_kthen see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo04:47
seth_kif you really want04:47
seth_kbut I would suggest learning the new way04:48
seth_kinstead of enabling root04:48
Pablo_CI think I will learn the new way04:48
seth_kI think you will get a better experience for it in the long run.04:48
Pablo_Cif yall will be patient :P04:48
seth_kbut anyways, Breezy got a LOT of laptop love04:48
seth_kso it's my guess that your wireless card will Just Work(tm)04:48
Pablo_CI am really happy with how well it worked on my lappy04:49
Pablo_CI have tried several other distros first and this one took no configuration04:49
Pablo_Cwhich is nice04:49
Pablo_Cvideo was right... sound was right04:49
Pablo_CI dont know if bluetooth is right04:49
Pablo_Cbut I will work on that04:49
seth_kmy bluetooth works :)04:49
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seth_kI just sent a ringtone to my phone04:49
seth_kbut ymmv04:50
Pablo_Cright04:50
Pablo_Cymmv is a term for hookers04:50
Pablo_C:P04:50
Hy_BoT_HI. Can anybody tell me if there is thing like ubuntu's Synaptic in KUbuntu? Thanks in advance04:50
seth_kKynaptic04:50
Hy_BoT_thanks04:50
seth_kyou can find it in the System menu04:50
Pablo_Cok I am going to reboot04:50
seth_kyou don't need to Pablo_C04:51
Pablo_Coh04:51
seth_kjust log out of your session and log back in04:51
seth_kthat's enough04:51
Pablo_Cok04:51
Pablo_Cbrb04:51
seth_kthe only time you need to reboot is for kernels04:51
hydrogenadept is nicer than kynaptic :)04:51
Hy_BoT_one more stupid question. How can I make Kubuntu "eat" any type of media files? Was trying to install codecs, but....didn't work out really good. In mandriva those codecs built-in, why its not the same in Kubuntu?04:52
seth_kubotu tell Hy_BoT_ about restrictedformats04:53
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Pablo_Cack04:53
seth_kmm?04:54
Hy_BoT_?04:54
Pablo_Cthe system tools or whatever is all the way gone now :P04:54
seth_kyes04:54
seth_kthe new one is SystemSettings04:54
Pablo_Cok04:54
seth_kthere should be an option for it in your K menu04:54
seth_kat the bottom04:54
Pablo_Cnot there.... though I am sure I am looking in the wrong place04:55
seth_k!info systemsettings04:55
seth_khmm04:55
seth_kwhat's the name of it...04:55
Pablo_Cname of what?04:56
seth_kah04:56
seth_k!info kde-systemsettings04:56
seth_knope, breezy-only04:56
Pablo_Chmm04:56
seth_ktry going to Konqueror and typing settings:/04:56
Pablo_Cok04:56
Pablo_Cok that worked04:57
Pablo_Cthanks04:57
seth_kyep04:57
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Pablo_Cok04:59
Pablo_Csee ya later04:59
Pablo_Cthanks for the help04:59
seth_k|awayokay, good luck with the wi-fi04:59
KiwiKibi_does Kubuntu have SEL--Security Enhncd Linux?04:59
seth_k|awaywhich you never told me about :P04:59
Pablo_CI am trying04:59
Pablo_CI just have not got that far04:59
Pablo_C:)04:59
Pablo_Cworking on it now05:00
seth_k|awayhaha, okay05:00
seth_k|awayi'm off to work05:00
Pablo_Cthat you are leaving05:00
Pablo_Chave a great time at work05:00
seth_k|awayoh yes05:00
seth_k|awaymmmm bacteria05:00
Pablo_Cum05:00
Pablo_Cwhat is your work05:00
seth_k|awaylaboratory :D05:00
Pablo_CI hope it isnt mc donalds05:00
Pablo_C:P05:00
seth_k|awayhaha05:00
seth_k|awayword05:00
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KiwiKibi_I need to obtain KUbuntu in CD-ROMS: anyone have a URL where I can order it?05:18
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claydohyou have to download, or purchase a cd from cheapbytes.com or the like, which is basically paying someone to d/l it for you05:20
claydohyou can get Ubuntu cds then install kubuntu-desktop after installing from that05:21
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hydrogenerr05:28
hydrogencan't you get kubuntu cd's from shipit?05:28
Pablo_Cditto05:28
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KiwiKibi_which word denotes a release is stable: "preview", "colony", or other word?05:34
crimsunKiwiKibi_: neither. Like I said, Breezy is Breezy.05:35
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crimsunwhen Ed/K/Ubuntu Breezy is released, it's the final version.05:36
KiwiKibi_in the context of software stability: what does your use of the term "breezy" attempts to signify?05:36
god-zeroBreezy will be released in 2 weeks05:36
crimsunBreezy is a simply a unique identifier.05:37
KiwiKibi_god-zero: and by that you mean that it will be a release deemed stable?05:37
hydrogenyes05:37
KiwiKibi_which word denotes a release is stable: "preview", "colony", or other word?05:38
god-zeroThe breezy badger is in development. The different colony numbers and the preview relases are what we use to debug and send info to the devs.05:38
KiwiKibi_Then which word is used to stamp a release as stable?05:39
crimsunKiwiKibi_: there is none.05:40
god-zeroHedghog is the current stable AKA 5.04 (the 5 meens 2005, the 04 meens april). Use the numbers to know when it was released. Breezy is AKA 5.10, it will be released mid month05:40
crimsundude, did you not read what I typed the first TWENTY times I typed it?05:40
crimsunif you _must_ attach a signifier to it, we "strip" the secondary name when a release is stable05:41
crimsune.g., Breezy Colony -> Breezy05:41
god-zeroNew releases are scheduled every 6 months. dapper AKA 6.04 is the next shceduled release05:42
KiwiKibi_ahhh, i see . . . the absence of a signifier is a better way to signify something, eh?  Like when you want to indicate to automobile drivers that they should STOP at an intersection, the best way to indicate it is by . . . not putting any stop sign there, eh?  Brilliant!05:43
god-zerobreezy etc are our nicknames. the number is what matters05:43
chavoKiwiKibi_, not the brightest star in the universe, are ya?05:44
KiwiKibi_so, even numbers indicate "stable", and odd numbers "beta"?05:44
chavoKiwiKibi_, pay attention. Put down the cheetos for a second.05:45
chavoevery 6 months a stable release comes out05:45
crimsunI want whatever KiwiKibi_'s smoking.05:45
god-zerono, just signify the release date. if the $releasedate is greater than $currentdate, it's in development05:45
chavooh now, you're confusing me :)05:45
god-zerolol05:46
crimsunit's really simple. We release every six months. The first release was October 2004, hence [200] 4.10.05:46
KiwiKibi_*coughnoyourejustamorongcough*05:46
KiwiKibi_so, the Preview releases and the Colony releases are not releases?05:47
crimsunWhen we release, we freeze the entire pool for that stable release. About a week after that stable release, we open a development branch.05:47
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crimsunno, preview and colony are not releases. They're milestones.05:47
crimsunIn the process of opening that development branch, we do a gigantic automated sync from Debian Sid.05:48
KiwiKibi_and are the milestones released to the public?05:48
crimsunyes, the milestones are all publicly available to encourage testing.05:48
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: Ignore the names... they're unimportaint nicknames. The date is all that matters. like windows 95 98 2000... we have kubuntu 4.10 5.04 5.10 etc05:48
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god-zerothe number meen "went stable on date: year.month"05:49
KiwiKibi_ok . . . so when "preview" or "colony" is appended to 5.10 it means that it was destabilized?05:51
claydohheh05:51
god-zeroso the 5.10 release (aka breezy) will go stable october 05. (about mid month)05:51
chavoKiwiKibi_, ni it means it's not stable yet05:51
chavoit will be stable on 5.10, 2005 Oct05:51
god-zeroa group of badgers is called a colony. It's an inside joke. colony 1 was the first iso for testing, colony 2 was the second iso etc. preview is like colony, but later in the development cycle.05:52
crimsunKiwiKibi_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule05:52
chavobetter not tell him about the daily isos05:53
chavooops05:53
god-zerodon't worry about the prerelese stuff unless you want to help us debug.05:53
chavoor you're insane05:54
KiwiKibi_aight . . . (I hope these dudes marketing manager is not swindling them at the tune of thousands of dollars per year salaries) . . . one last question: what's the difference between a "preview" and a "colony"? 05:54
god-zerochavo: I use dailys. ;) _I_ have a death wish.05:54
crimsuna colony is a milestone moniker05:54
crimsunpreview is one very specific milestone05:54
crimsunjust like RC is one very specific milestone05:55
KiwiKibi_RC==release candidate, no?05:55
crimsunyes05:55
god-zeroyep05:55
crimsunthe URL I pasted above should make that more clear05:55
chavoI updated when preview came out, but haven't since then05:55
god-zerochavo: you're missing all the fun!05:56
chavojust gonna wait till final comes out05:56
crimsunI update && upgrade every 30 minutes at :13 and :4305:56
KiwiKibi_*ehem* . . . one last last question: how come LinuxCD shop only charges $1.99 for the CDs?  Do they make it up by charging $69 for shipping?05:56
chavosicko!05:56
crimsunthe mirror pulse goes out at :03 and :3305:56
crimsunKiwiKibi_: no idea RE: LinuxCD, but Ship-It ships for free, no strings attached.05:57
crimsunas many CDs as you want (within reason) for as many supported arches for _free_.05:58
KiwiKibi_Ship-It does not ship Kubuntu05:58
KiwiKibi_at least they don't indicate they do05:58
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: I never used them, they're simply a cd coping service. They don't develop anything. there cost is 10 cents for plastic, 5 cents for paper05:58
crimsunjust order Ubuntu CDs and install ''kubuntu-desktop''05:58
KiwiKibi_LinuxCD seems to ship Kubuntu05:59
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chavoKiwiKibi_, that's probably a good choice then05:59
KiwiKibi_reason i want to go that route is because Amarok don't seem to work on GNOME06:00
claydohOR FIND A BUDDIE TO GRAB THE ISO AND BURN IT FOR YA, I HAVE DONE THAT A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS06:00
claydohsorry06:00
chavoamarok should work fine ubder gnome06:00
crimsunamarok works fine under GNOME06:00
chavobut KDE rules anyway06:00
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: so $2 a disc is realistic price.. think of all those free aol cds you get.. if it cost $69 to send a cd i don't think they'd do it06:00
chavoI've gotten CD's from cheapbytes.com before06:01
chavowhen I was still on teh dialup06:01
god-zerochavo: is there a s&h charge?06:01
claydohI mailed a vacation video dvd in the mail, it cist me about 1.25 or so iirc06:01
KiwiKibi_waelp . . . Mandriva is priced at $59, $69, $89 . . . so a $1.99 price made me wonder . . .06:01
chavoyes06:01
crimsunwell, red hat charges thousands of US dollars per-seat for enterprise linux06:02
chavoyeah, Mandrake costs a little more at cheapbytes06:02
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: mandriva + codecs + support = $8906:02
claydohso I would wonder how much they'd charge06:02
god-zeromandriva cd = $006:02
chavobut you can get full mandriva from them for less than $1006:02
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KiwiKibi_the codecs can be downloaded too anyway, no?06:03
chavothat's with flash, java, codecs, etc.06:03
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: do you understand that you can download the iso & burn it free and legaly?06:03
chavoKiwiKibi_, yeah you can download it all06:03
KiwiKibi_does Kubuntu come with java, flash, codecs?06:04
chavoKiwiKibi_, not on the disk06:04
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: you have to download them06:04
chavobut they are easy to get06:04
KiwiKibi_hmm . . .06:04
god-zerofreeware isn't included for ethical reasons06:04
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KiwiKibi_how is java more freeware than GNU?06:05
KiwiKibi_how many CDs is Kubuntu then?06:06
god-zerognu gives the user more rights eg: source.. redistribution etc. If you don't understand the difference between gnu + freeware you should studie it06:06
chavo1 CD06:06
god-zero1 cd for the base install06:06
god-zerothere's also a torrent for the dvd06:06
chavobut there's 1000's of pacjakges available06:06
KiwiKibi_nothing else is shipped with Kubuntu?06:07
chavowoah, I misspell packages like that a lot06:07
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: on a 1 cd install, it's a fairly complete desktop system with plenty of programs06:08
KiwiKibi_i want java06:08
god-zerochavo: my fingers like to spell some words wierd too06:08
chavoyeah, I also type -> waht a lot06:09
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cddesjari am trying to watch a dvd with kaffeine and i get this error "The source can't be read.06:09
cddesjarMaybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)"06:09
cddesjarany ideas?06:10
god-zerothe funny part is that i misspell the same word wrongly, but consistently06:10
KiwiKibi_aight . . . thanks . . . gotta keep finding what i'm looking for06:10
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cddesjardoes anyone  have any idea why that is?06:11
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: you have to download java just ike you do with windows06:11
cddesjaralso how do i install java?06:11
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god-zerocddesjar: sorry, i went out side06:19
god-zero!tell cddesjar about sunjava06:20
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god-zerocddesjar: on the dvd thing, if you have all the proper packages for dvd playback, and it still doesn't work... insert dvd.. cancel out the notifications if any, open kaffiene select file | open dvd06:22
cddesjari have libdvdread...i can't imagine what elese i need06:23
god-zerodecss, etc06:23
cddesjari don't know about decss06:24
god-zerotry the instructions above, it reads the dvd via a different route06:24
cddesjarwhat ever came on the breezy cd by default06:24
cddesjarnope still wont' work06:24
cddesjari'll look into decss06:24
god-zerolibdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 seem to be the minimum06:27
god-zerosudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread306:27
cddesjari can't seem to install libdvdcss2, it doesn't seem to be in my repositories but the other programs are already installed06:28
god-zerobreezy or hoary /warty?06:29
god-zeroI'm on breezy. It's in main libs06:31
cddesjarbreezy06:31
cddesjarin the main libs?06:31
god-zeroyes06:31
cddesjarhmm...i have libdvdnav4, libdvdread3, but i can't find libdvdcss206:31
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god-zerosearch in synaptic for dvdcss06:33
Hy_BoThi. Does  this -----"""https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats""----- means that I will not be able to play standard win-media in Kubuntu at all?06:34
chavoHy_BoT, no, just the opposite06:35
chavoyou just gotta know the right people ;)06:35
cddesjari did a google search and found it06:35
KiwiKibi_Does Kubuntu require a primary partition to install the Boot Manager?06:35
chavoKiwiKibi_, well the boot manager should go in the mbr06:36
chavounless you want to boot from a floppy06:36
cddesjarjust one more question...i installed java but how do i get my java to be recognized my firefox?  i.e. how do i symlink to libjavaplugin_oji.so06:36
cddesjaror where is libjavaplugin_oji.so06:36
KiwiKibi_Suse explicitly declares it as a feature of Suse that it DOES NOT install the boot manager to the MBR.06:37
cddesjargod-zero: do you have backports for breezy in your repositories?  and if you do what do they look like?  i can't seem to get into the backports06:37
god-zeroHy_BoT: try to use ogg. It's better and totally free. Elsewise if you believe you have a right to use a codec/program (ie payed for it) there are codecs on the net06:37
chavoWell Suse is a wizard, hard to beat that06:38
Hy_BoTthnks a lot guys06:38
god-zerocddesjar: the are no backports for breezy because there's no dapper to pull from yet06:39
cddesjarok that's why then06:39
KiwiKibi_Will WinXP in C:\ still boot if I install Kubuntu's boot manager?06:40
Hy_BoThey. just forgot to aks. What about if I downloaded program in *tar or *gz native-linux formats. Is there easy way to install it in Kubuntu?????06:40
cddesjarnevermind06:41
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: yes. that's called a dual boot. 06:41
chavoKiwiKibi_, yes, it will add Windows to the boot menu06:41
cddesjari got it figured out06:41
cddesjarthanks a lot god-zero!06:41
chavothat;s why it's called boot manager, it manages to boot stuff06:41
Hy_BoTso........06:42
chavoHy_BoT, .........06:42
Hy_BoTsorry, just asked a question06:42
god-zeroHy_BoT: if it's source, you'll have to compile06:42
KiwiKibi_WinXP is such a pus, ya know . . . it shits ollover if it's not the 1st partition of the 1st drive of the 1st IDE and if it's not the 1st thing that boots.06:42
chavoif you find a package that's not in the repos, then yes06:43
chavoKiwiKibi_, that's just a lie06:43
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: yep. that's why under a dual boot you haveto install windows first06:43
chavowell, you don't "have" too06:44
chavonot if you have half of a clue06:44
Hy_BoT1 more  - Is there a particular folder for fonts in Kubuntu? If aI have archived fonts for linux and want them to be installed.......What should I do???06:44
KiwiKibi_god-zero: tell this chavo dude to stop calling me a liar06:44
chavoHy_BoT, ~/.fonts06:44
god-zeroxp _is_ better about it that win 95/8/me was06:44
Hy_BoTjust put there and it will be automatically insatlled???06:45
god-zeroit's still not smooth06:45
Hy_BoTfonts I mean06:45
chavoKiwiKibi_, you're just wrong. I have XP installed and it's not even on the first disk06:45
chavoHy_BoT, yes06:45
chavottfs06:45
Hy_BoTthanks again. Was really helpful. Now I'm gonna switch to linux for sure)06:46
KiwiKibi_so, what's in Kubuntu: grub, or lilo, other?06:46
god-zeroAnd if you got one of those "rescue" cd sets with your pc instead of a generic windows xp install disk, it _has_ to be 1/1/106:46
chavoI have installed XP and Vista beta, after Linux. I still manage to boot into all of them.06:47
chavoI have slightly more than half of a clue06:47
KiwiKibi_what a whiner . . . worst than Bill Gates06:47
chavolol, you're a Gtes hater!06:48
god-zerothe 95 line had to be installed to c: (hda1), then copied to whatever partion, nt/xp can do it _if_ you have a real install disk, but most pcs don't have one06:48
chavo95, that was 10 years ago man06:49
god-zerome wasn't06:49
god-zerobut that, plus the so-called rescue disks is where windows gets that rep from06:49
KiwiKibi_chavo: he said: "nt/xp can do it _if_ you have a real install disk, but most pcs don't have one"  --can't you read, stupid?06:49
chavoKiwiKibi_, you have no idea what is going on here man06:50
chavowhat pcs don't have a real install disk?06:50
chavoPcs that are made this century?06:51
god-zeromine (all 5 of them)06:51
KiwiKibi_chavo: stfu! . . . you're just making your self look stupider and stupider06:51
god-zeronot one pc that I own or a family member owns came with a real install disk in prolly 5+ years06:51
chavoKiwiKibi_, keep going man, you'll be out of you're closet nefore you know it06:52
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KiwiKibi_chavo: read [dumbass]  --> "<god-zero>not one pc that I own or a family member owns came with a real install disk in prolly 5+ years"06:53
chavowell, like I said, if you have half a clue, you make it happen06:53
chavoKiwiKibi_, you're an idiot06:53
KiwiKibi_chavo: no.  you're a moronG.06:53
god-zerolol, this got out of hand06:53
chavolol, scroll up and read that crap about colony and preview man.06:54
god-zerohes a linux neewb, we all were once06:54
god-zerono biggie there06:55
KiwiKibi_beh06:55
KiwiKibi_so, what's in Kubuntu: grub, or lilo, other?06:56
crimsunGRUB if you choose the default install06:57
crimsunLILO is used for non-standard options, like lvm+/ on JFS06:58
KiwiKibi_'k07:00
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god-zeroKiwiKibi_: have you used linux before/07:05
god-zero?07:05
god-zeroIf not, may I suggest talking a friend who has broadband to download a live distro like knoppix or live kubuntu to play with / learn before you take the pluge into linux07:07
god-zerolive disks are quite fun, pluss the help alot when things with windows or linux go wrong07:08
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_balu:)07:15
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KiwiKibi_god-zero: thanks for the suggestion07:24
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god-zeronp07:25
KiwiKibi_god-zero: how do i install HPFS file system in Kubuntu installation?07:25
konfuzedhey there, does kubuntu use the same installer and drive partitioner that ubuntu uses07:25
crimsunKiwiKibi_: sudo modprobe hpfs07:25
crimsunKiwiKibi_: then mount the partition07:25
konfuzedcrimsun: during install?07:26
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KiwiKibi_crimsun: 'k, thanks07:26
crimsunkonfuzed: sure, why not?07:26
crimsunthere's an extra console07:26
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god-zerokonfuzed: yes, there 90% the same, only kde-desktop is swaped for gnome-desktop07:27
crimsunyou just have to do it after the partition udeb is extracted.07:27
konfuzedhmmmm   interesting07:27
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: you can also do it (set up mounting) durring the install07:27
konfuzedso they also install the same boot loader too?07:28
god-zerokonfuzed: yes07:28
konfuzedim just making sure07:28
konfuzedive just enlisted another kubunter07:28
konfuzedmy buddy sent him ahead with SUSE and he tried like 8 times to install07:29
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: durring partioning phase, tell it to mount hda1: to /mnt/windows or whatever/whereever you want07:29
konfuzedthats a good map07:30
konfuzedmakes it seem obvious to the user07:30
konfuzednow this guy is back on windoze07:31
god-zerothink of the children for go'ds sake!07:32
konfuzedbut hes gonna download kubuntu and have it going by morning07:32
konfuzedmy shortest install is 36 keystrokes + user name and password entry07:33
god-zero36? I've never counted. I timed it though, on my celeron 2.6, it takes 50 minutes from inserting the cd till booted into kde.07:34
konfuzedarrows and enters pretty much07:35
konfuzedmostly just enters07:35
konfuzedoh yeah 24 enters 12 arrows07:35
god-zerowow, broke down to enter and arrows... do this often?07:36
konfuzedno07:36
konfuzedjust on and off for 20 years07:36
KiwiKibi_why should I get Kubuntu instead of Mandriva?07:36
konfuzed36 keystrokes between inserting the disk and booting into kde and being on the internet07:37
konfuzedok logging in is extra key strokes07:37
konfuzed;^)07:37
konfuzedI new it would be really simple to install so I had to know how easy it really was.07:38
konfuzedwill kubuntu auto recognize an epson usb printer??07:39
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: I used to use mandriva. Girst, most of the stuff you have to pay for under mandriva are free, the packages are fresher, and the graphics aren't as kiddish. The one thing nicer about mandriva is the control center07:39
god-zerohrm, not sure Girst is a word..07:39
konfuzedis epson a word?07:41
KiwiKibi_is Mandriva derived from Red Hat/07:42
KiwiKibi_?07:42
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god-zeroKiwiKibi_: yes, but there's talk about switching to debian07:42
KiwiKibi_i suppose that means Mandriva uses RPM?07:42
god-zeroyes, but it has urpmi. Urpmi is like apt-get... it's not as "rpm hell"ish as ppl say07:43
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KiwiKibi_'k07:44
god-zerokonfuzed: no idea.. maybe search ubuntuforums.org for you model07:44
konfuzednot mine some lady down the street that I gave the disk to07:46
konfuzedshe wont complain about windows any more07:48
konfuzed;^)07:48
KiwiKibi_are Vim, Gimp, OpenOffice, and Firefox included in the 1 CD Kubuntu?07:53
Kamping_Kaiseryes.07:54
Kamping_Kaiserer. firefox not sure07:54
god-zeroletme check..07:54
konfuzedis dvd vod included?07:55
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god-zeroKiwiKibi_: looks like they're all there07:59
god-zerokonfuzed: no08:00
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KiwiKibi_god-zero: great.  many thanks08:00
KiwiKibi_and i'm not even gonna check for hardware drivers . . . a'ma just gonna close my eyes and install . . . lol  ;>08:01
konfuzedperhaps there is a debian install guide some where for enabling DVD playback08:01
god-zerokonfuzed: it should all be in main08:02
god-zero!dvd08:02
ubotuDVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras08:02
konfuzedgod-zero: i thought you just said no08:03
god-zeronot on the cd08:03
KiwiKibi_what does Linux use for the IDE channels driver?  IBM-S506?  Or did it roll its own?08:03
konfuzedso yes there is  a doc on how to easily make it happen08:03
crimsunKiwiKibi_: hmm?08:03
crimsunthere's a change history in the Linux source. It has been rewritten several times from scratch.08:03
KiwiKibi_'k08:04
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konfuzedcause libdvdcss on suse was a PITA for sure08:05
konfuzedand still doesnt behave right08:05
god-zerocrimsun: just search for dvd and vob in synaptic. I haven't had probs08:05
crimsuneh?08:05
konfuzedkewl08:05
crimsunI think that nick-complete went wayward.08:06
god-zerocrimsun: that was for konfuzed 08:06
konfuzedkrazy08:06
konfuzed;^)08:07
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konfuzedi dont have kubuntu at my place yet but ive got 3 others on it ;^)08:08
ubuntutrying the kubuntu live cd of breezy...notice x-chat not with it08:08
ubuntuyuk...08:08
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TokenBadthats better08:09
konfuzedTokenBad: are you volunteering to add it08:09
TokenBadno...just saying I noticed...thats all...looking at the one that is installed...08:10
TokenBadthe yuk was about my nick08:10
konfuzedahhh seemed   like you might be comparing k or no k08:11
konfuzedubuntu   to   K   or not tu K08:11
TokenBadnah....just trying to see what was different in the new version of kubuntu is all08:11
konfuzedthat is the question08:11
TokenBadone thing noticed was the live cd loads FAST!!08:12
konfuzedhmmmmm    ram image on the disc ??????08:12
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TokenBadnot sure...08:13
TokenBadbut noticed when booted it loaded fast08:13
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TokenBadI run kubuntu now...08:13
god-zeroI'd be interested if they had a dvd version, I'm spoiled by knoppix live dvd08:13
konfuzedsomebody here should ;^)  I hope08:13
TokenBadbut it was basicly ubuntu with kubuntu desktop installed08:13
TokenBadand ran into problems with it08:13
konfuzedubuntu   to   K   or not tu K08:13
konfuzedthat is the question08:13
TokenBadso trying to decide if want to format and just run full install of kubuntu08:13
konfuzedhey why not dual boot kubuntu and ubuntu08:14
konfuzedthey we can really compare08:14
TokenBadwell see I like kde better than gnome08:15
TokenBadbut the problem ran into was some problems with sound08:15
TokenBadand screensaver08:15
TokenBadand other small problems08:15
konfuzedis there some kinf of Kommon End User Rating system for GUIs ?????08:15
TokenBadand basicly think it was cause of me going from ubuntu and just installing the kubuntu desktop that ran into problems08:16
TokenBadthink if I did full install I wouldn't have those problems08:16
TokenBadkonfuzed: I think it is user pref08:19
TokenBadI have tried a few different versions08:19
konfuzedhow does and end user know what to look for or how to compare08:19
konfuzedor what to compare08:19
TokenBadlinspire, ubuntu, kubuntu, xandros, and others08:19
TokenBadjust whatever you like08:20
konfuzedits not all just look08:20
TokenBadlike ease of use08:20
TokenBadwhat program has things you like that others done08:20
TokenBaddon't even08:20
TokenBadwhat can one do that others can't08:20
TokenBadthat kind of thing08:20
konfuzedease of use is one fo the most konfuzing IT terms ive ever come across08:20
TokenBadI tested a few live cd's08:21
TokenBadmany different versions of nix OS has live cd's08:21
konfuzedhow does one come up with a consistsent comparitive review?????08:21
TokenBadso can test before getting08:21
konfuzedjust curious08:21
TokenBadits all their opinion08:21
TokenBadwell if you ask me anyway08:21
konfuzedpeople mostly tend to go with opinion of the looks id say08:22
konfuzedunfortuntely they mostly refuse to read the words on the screen08:22
konfuzed;^)08:22
TokenBadwell me I tested like 5 or 6 different versions before I settled on one08:23
konfuzeddo you have a list of top 3 criteria ?08:23
KiwiKibi_which CDs (maybe from a distro) should I get that have the package formats Kubuntu can unpack?08:23
konfuzedor does it turn out to be dozens08:23
TokenBadwell what killed me for linspire and xandros was they wanted you to pay for what should be free08:24
konfuzedKiwiKibi_: after the install CD synaptic or kynaptic provides all other packages08:24
TokenBadbasicly wanted you to pay a monthly or yearly fee to get stuff that should be free from their DB08:24
konfuzedTokenBad: was that the beer or speach ??08:25
TokenBadfor example08:25
KiwiKibi_the Debian CDs won't do?08:25
god-zeroah, just get puppy linux and call it a day08:25
TokenBadwith ubuntu or kubuntu...you have apt-get or snyaptic08:25
TokenBadbut with linspire or Xandros08:25
TokenBadthey wanted you to pay for that service08:25
TokenBadto get it from their database08:26
TokenBadso right off...I said to hell with that08:26
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konfuzedoh i thought it was that ms code licenses were included for seamless compatibility08:27
TokenBadno you pay for their software08:27
TokenBadthen you pay a monthly or yearly fee08:27
TokenBadto get software from their database that should be free08:27
konfuzedwhich part of the software is theirs ??08:27
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TokenBadthe OS08:27
TokenBadcheck them out08:28
TokenBadyou will see what I am saying08:28
konfuzedI thought they were on a linux OS08:28
TokenBadthey are08:28
TokenBadthats what I am saying08:28
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Sebastianhi08:28
Sebastiani need help08:28
konfuzedso the software license fees are for included MS compatibility licenses like libdvdcss and other codecs08:28
god-zerothey slap on a ton of nongpl stuff, like their installer08:29
Sebastiani burned the kubuntu live cd08:29
KiwiKibi_does the 1 CD Kubuntu come with a CD writer app?08:29
Sebastianand ran it08:29
Sebastiannow, i clicked start08:29
Sebastianand the only thing it said was08:29
god-zeroKiwiKibi_: yes, k3b08:29
Sebastian"boot this cd and try ubuntu linux"08:29
Sebastianor something like that08:29
KiwiKibi_koolness08:29
Sebastiananyway08:29
Sebastianhow do i "boot" the cd08:29
Sebastiani am not good with computers08:29
TokenBadSebastian: yes you have to boot your computer from the cd08:29
konfuzedSebastian: take the cd out and try again08:29
konfuzed;^)08:30
TokenBadso reboot your machine and boot from the cd08:30
Sebastianhow do i boot from the cd?08:30
TokenBadin your bios you have to set your first boot device to cd08:30
konfuzedput cd in before power off08:30
god-zeroSebastian: put the disk in, cycle the power08:30
Sebastianslow please, i am not good with computers i bought the burner yesterday to be able to get kubuntu08:30
Sebastianok08:30
Sebastiani rebooted with the cd in08:30
TokenBadSebastian: you know how to go into your bios?08:30
Sebastiannothing happened08:30
Sebastianbut ok08:30
Sebastianbios? nope08:30
Sebastianyou give me the path though08:31
TokenBadok...when you reboot your computer...and its says press del to enter bios08:31
konfuzedbios setup is usualy F2 or Del key during memory test and hard drive detect08:31
KiwiKibi_Sebastian: which CPU do you have?08:31
TokenBadpress del08:31
Sebastiani have a net vista computer08:31
TokenBador f208:31
TokenBadforgot that08:31
Sebastianwith an intel celron08:31
Sebastiando i reboot08:31
Sebastianand press f08:31
Sebastian208:31
Sebastian?08:31
Sebastianso*08:32
konfuzedSebastian: kewl I just installed a net vista 866 mhz 3 weeks ago08:32
TokenBadSebastian: when you reboot and it does the memory test and detecting hard drives08:32
KiwiKibi_the F2 key08:32
TokenBadit will tell you you to press the key08:32
TokenBadeither f2 or del08:32
Sebastianmy ocmputer doesnt do that..08:32
god-zeroIt should say "press del to enter bios" or some such.. depends on manufacturer08:32
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Sebastianit just goes black 08:32
Sebastianand oyu can see a _08:32
Sebastianoh wait yes on the far right extreme08:32
god-zeroin that case, press em all08:32
Sebastianyou can see f1 or something08:33
god-zerobash bash bash08:33
Sebastianwhat do i do after that?08:33
TokenBadok08:33
TokenBadonce in bios08:33
konfuzedbash some more08:33
god-zerogo to the boot menu, enable cd booting, save and exit08:33
konfuzedor try tcsh08:33
Sebastianok08:33
Sebastiani will do that08:33
Sebastiani will be right back08:33
konfuzedgive em 15 minutes08:34
TokenBadif he don't fuck his computer up...I will be suprised08:34
KiwiKibi_this is too painful to witness08:34
Kamping_Kaisercan someone do me a favour? can you visit http://adsl.internode.on.net/pricing/ ? does it display right? it doesnt on my pc :(08:35
KiwiKibi_if bios prompt don't come up, he prolly needs to jumper the mobo08:35
konfuzeddont worry his video is off08:35
god-zerolol, i was thinking the same thing.. either he'll be back saying he couldn't find it, or we'll never see him again08:35
god-zeroKamping_Kaiser: looks good in breezy kde 3.5 b1, konqueror08:36
Kamping_Kaiserhm. thanks god-zero08:36
TokenBadI am thinking about burning kubuntu and installing but think will wait till the full version comes out with breezy08:37
god-zerotwo week isn't too long to wait08:37
TokenBadI know08:37
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Kamping_Kaiserwb Sebastian08:38
TokenBadthat was fast Sebastian08:38
Sebastianok i pressed f1 f2 and del and nothing happened08:38
god-zeroI win08:38
Kamping_Kaiserlol08:38
Sebastianso...to boot from the cd 08:38
konfuzednot even 5 mins08:39
Sebastiani would press the keys but it would only make a horrible beeping noise08:39
konfuzedthen it was just a fraction too soo08:39
konfuzedsoon08:39
Sebastianapproximately: n/ldoo08:39
konfuzedcan you see the memory test?08:40
konfuzedi think those ibms use the del key08:40
god-zerowell, there's always a way to get into the bios, usually a special key or combo (ctrl -alt - enter).. or a jumper.. it'll be in your manual. 08:40
Sebastianok, for "Bob's" sake, i'm a quaker, i don'tknow much about computers, i don't know what "memory test" means08:40
god-zeroelsewise make a boot cd08:40
god-zeronot cd, floppy08:40
Sebastiani MADE A BOOT CD08:40
god-zerosorry08:40
Sebastianhah08:40
Sebastianright08:40
Sebastianno way08:40
konfuzedwell if you cant get your box to boot from cd you wont be abel to install any operating system in any langauge08:41
Sebastianany idea how long took me to be able to figure out how to install a cd burner which i bought just for the kubuntu thing08:41
god-zeromemory test is that pause when the computer pauses at power up08:41
TokenBadSebastian: memory test is where it runs through the numbers real fast and shows your hard drives08:41
TokenBadat that point08:41
TokenBadit should tell you what key to press08:41
konfuzed8^)08:42
TokenBadyou said something about f1 a min ago08:42
Sebastianitt wasnt that08:42
Sebastianit said 7F08:42
TokenBadoh08:42
god-zerocommon ones : f2, delete, ctrl-alt-enter08:42
Sebastianand otherwise it was _08:42
Sebastianjust black and _08:42
TokenBadsounds like its not booting right08:42
god-zeroit depends on your computer, they're all different08:42
Sebastianthere's a way08:42
konfuzedsounds like windows not shuting down ;^)08:43
Sebastianan error proof mode or somthing08:43
KiwiKibi_Sebastian: was the machine booting BEFORE you installed the CD drive?08:43
Sebastianyes08:43
god-zeroalso, did you burn the .iso as a file, or an image?08:43
Sebastiani burned the iso 08:43
Sebastianthen extracted it to the computer08:43
konfuzedwhat software08:43
Sebastianthen burnt it to a cd08:43
Sebastianlemme get e link08:43
konfuzeduhm burner software08:43
TokenBadPower on the system08:44
TokenBadPress F1 to enter the Configuration/Setup Utility.08:44
TokenBadthats what their site is saying08:44
god-zeroput the disc in, look at the directory. is there just 1 file (kubuntu.iso) or a bunch of folders?08:44
Sebastianhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/08:44
konfuzedibm net vista site?08:44
Sebastiana bunch of folders08:44
KiwiKibi_Sebastian: if you do not insert a CD disk, does the machine boot with the previous operating system?08:44
god-zeroSebastian: good08:44
Sebastianthe machine is loading windows ME08:45
Sebastianwith and without the CD there08:45
TokenBadhe needs to set the cd as the first boot device08:45
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konfuzedTokenBad: 08:46
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KiwiKibi_Sebastian: ok.  You're gonna have to read the manual for the puter to find out how to get into the BIOS.08:46
konfuzedTokenBad: did you find an ibm page?08:46
konfuzedmaybe paste it here08:46
KiwiKibi_Sebastian: and find out how to set the BIOS to boot from the CD drive.08:46
Sebastiankiwikibi:it'd be more practical to try out all the keys as i reboot08:46
TokenBadKiwiKibi_: I just told him08:47
konfuzednot really08:47
Sebastianyes 08:47
Sebastiansince i no longer have the manual08:47
god-zeroor make a floppy08:47
KiwiKibi_Sebastian: nah.  That's like trying all English words to figure what a chinese sentence means.08:47
TokenBadhttp://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-4Y686Z08:47
TokenBadthats from ibm site08:47
TokenBadsays press F108:47
konfuzedibms web site has the above manual08:47
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konfuzed;^)08:47
Sebastianok08:48
KiwiKibi_Vista is IBM?08:48
Sebastiani am going to do that08:48
Sebastianyes08:48
konfuzedyes08:48
Sebastianand wait08:48
Sebastiando i do this without the cd first?08:48
TokenBadjust keep pressing it Sebastian08:48
Sebastian^^?08:48
TokenBaddon't matter08:48
konfuzedwith the cd in08:48
Sebastiank08:48
Sebastiani'll brbr08:48
TokenBadyou need to set it to boot first08:48
TokenBadso don't matter08:48
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konfuzedhahahahahha08:48
KiwiKibi_ . . . must . . . sleep . . .08:48
konfuzedat least I think thats how I rememeber it 08:49
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TokenBadif someone is going to install a new os or fuck with their system like that08:49
KiwiKibi_l8rz08:49
konfuzed;^)08:49
TokenBadthey need to have someone that knows what they are doing do it08:49
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konfuzeda good thing KiwiKibi_ has nt passed out yet08:49
god-zeroTokenBad: if someone is gunna use a computer..............08:49
konfuzedoh08:49
TokenBadwell brb..going to boot into my normal system08:50
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TokenBadthere...08:54
konfuzedthe other guy I konvinced to install kubuntu is goig to back up his MBR first08:55
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Sebastianok08:55
Sebastiani did work08:55
Sebastiani nevertheless08:55
Sebastianforgot what i had to next08:56
TokenBadheheh08:56
konfuzedthe other guy I konvinced to install kubuntu is goig to back up his MBR first08:56
SebastianMBR08:56
Sebastian?08:56
god-zeroSebastian: konfuzed is konfuzed 08:56
Sebastianok08:57
Sebastianwhat do i do next?08:57
Sebastianhttp://sebastianquaker.blogspot.com08:57
god-zerook, you did get into the bios right?08:57
Sebastianaye08:57
Sebastianwhat do i do when i'm ther?08:58
Sebastianhttp://photos.wgyf.org/Sebastian08:58
konfuzedin the bios is a menu called BOOT08:58
Sebastianalright08:59
konfuzedthis lets you set the order of devices the machine tries to boot from08:59
god-zerook, you want to find the boot order. you either want to enable booting from the cd (if it's turned off) or move the cd higher on the list if it late on the boot list08:59
Sebastianok08:59
konfuzedno need to chage any thing else in bios at all08:59
god-zerothen save then exit08:59
Sebastianok 08:59
god-zeroit'll reboot08:59
Sebastiani'll right back ken08:59
konfuzedno wait08:59
konfuzed;^)08:59
konfuzedhe shoulda backed up his MBR09:00
konfuzedhahaha09:00
god-zerobackups are for wimps09:00
konfuzedsome peoples kids09:00
konfuzedhis ME will never be the same09:00
konfuzedhes just gonna format it anyway09:01
konfuzed;^)09:01
god-zerolol09:01
god-zerobye bye ME09:01
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konfuzedhe wont even notice09:01
konfuzedhe'll probably miss all the virus scans though09:01
god-zerovirus scans.. oh the memories....09:02
TokenBadhad to boot back into my normal system..missed my backgrounds09:02
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mornfallgod-zero: i still didn't get my answer why adept is ugly? :P09:16
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crtrhow to upgrade my X server to 4.3 ot greater ?09:18
god-zeromornfall: adept's to plain and boxy I think. adept updater's commit or ok button (whatever it was) is like 1/4 of the screen09:18
crimsunerr...09:18
crimsuncrtr: are you running Warty or Hoary?09:18
crtrHoary09:19
god-zeromornfall:  hard to say09:19
crimsuncrtr: Hoary uses X.Org, which is newer than XFree86 4.309:20
god-zeromornfall: the drop down expantion info is ok, but i like the way synaptic is with "show package properties" = "on".09:23
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god-zerolol, not to say I could do better09:24
mornfallgod-zero: you may like it, but it's pretty damn cluttered -- i left that approach long ago09:24
crtrWhen it says i have to upgrade X server , should I download X11R6.8 ?09:25
mornfallgod-zero: we will see when i add more info how to solve that09:25
god-zeromaybe tool-tip the description, that may work09:25
god-zeroI like the summery info. some package names are hard to grep, so the description has to be easy to get (like the drop downs)09:26
mornfalli removed tooltips too, because they were more of a headache than use09:26
god-zeromm09:26
god-zeros/grep/grok09:27
mornfallshort description is always around, anyway09:27
mornfalllong one is one click away09:27
god-zerolemme pull it up...09:28
mornfallRiddell: hey, what's up with the RC? any news on that?09:29
crimsuncrtr: what's making you upgrade?09:30
crtrYour X server doesn?t support resizing and rotating the display.09:31
mornfallcrtr: driver issue, probably09:32
crimsuncrtr: which driver are you using?09:32
crtrAti drivers , i think they?re okey09:34
mornfalldriver needs to support xrandr for this to work09:34
mornfall(mine does, mga)09:35
mornfall(it did even with xfree 4.2 or something ancient like that)09:35
god-zeromornfall: the filters with the combo-boxes... confusing, plus I acidently clicked it away and it's *gone* now. oh-easy tag filter. It's a bit confusing;; but there's a rc out there?09:35
crimsuncrtr: I'm pretty sure the ATI drivers do.09:36
god-zeromornfall: is there a url to the .deb?09:36
crtrwhere to read about the drivers , and how to install them on kubuntu .. ?09:37
crimsuncrtr: grep ^\(II\) /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep -i driver09:37
crtr(II) fglrx(0): driver needs XFree86 version: 4.3.x09:37
crtrhow to see my current version ?09:37
god-zerocrimsun:  that's that damn perl isn't it!09:37
crimsungod-zero: nope, just standard regexp09:38
crimsunpoorly optimised regexp I might add09:38
crimsuncrtr: did you follow the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?09:38
god-zero^\(ll\) is regular expression?09:39
TokenBadwonder why sound from video clips is so jumpy09:39
crtrcrimsun, yes09:39
crimsuncrtr: hmm, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto paste.ubuntulinux.nl09:39
crimsungod-zero: yes (and they're capitalised Is)09:39
TokenBadif its mp3 it plays fine09:40
TokenBadbut if its like video clips it jumps and skips09:40
crimsunTokenBad: is DMA enabled on the source device?09:40
TokenBadumm good question09:41
TokenBadit was playing fine when had just ubuntu09:41
god-zeroTokenBad: some audio pipes/cards don't like eachother much, causing those resyncs. Try a differnt audio output route09:41
TokenBadthen when installed the kubuntu desktop09:41
TokenBadit started jumping and skipping09:41
TokenBadbut like said..only in video clips09:42
crtrhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/270809:42
TokenBadplaying mp3 now..and its fine09:42
god-zeroregular mp3s don't have to resync09:42
TokenBadwhat do you mean try diffrent output route then09:43
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mornfallgod-zero: no, it's waiting for Riddell 09:43
god-zerogstreanme/arts/alsa pick a combo that works with your hardware09:43
crimsuncrtr: no, I need the entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log09:44
TokenBadhow do I pick though09:44
god-zeromy crappy intergrated audio can be quite fussy causing all sorts of those problems09:45
god-zerowhat player?09:45
TokenBadits all players09:45
TokenBadI have tried mplayer09:45
TokenBadtotem09:45
TokenBadalso noatun09:47
god-zeroI can't startup totem "totem can not starup: no reason" arg!!!09:47
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god-zerothere should be a settings menu, audio09:47
crtrcrimsun, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/270909:49
god-zerolook for terms like gstreamer or arts or xine09:49
god-zeronoatun no workie for me09:49
god-zeroI'm on breezy with kde 3.5 beta 1 so I get all the fun09:50
god-zeroI know under kaffiene I can't use gstreamer, well, I pretty much can't use gstreamer at all09:52
TokenBadgod-zero, that fixed it thanks09:56
crimsuncrtr: it supports xrandr09:59
crimsuncrtr: look at line 100509:59
crtrso i only need to upgrade ?10:01
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lizdeikahow do gtk apps look in kubuntu by default ? is there qt-gtk(or smth like that) installed by default to make qt and gtk apps widgets look the same ?10:05
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mornfalllizdeika: gtk-qt-engine doesn't solve the "interesting" cases -- it's just a widget style10:09
god-zerolizdeika: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, then system settings, then appearence, then gtk styles and fonts, use kde style10:09
god-zerooh, then resart x (ctrl-alt-backspace)10:11
lizdeikaany ISOs with 3.5beta1 ? :)10:13
god-zerono10:13
god-zerogotta add it to sources.list10:14
fatejudgerqt engine is crap10:15
fatejudgermost of the buttons don't even look right10:15
lizdeikawell maybe not that bad like qt apps look in ubuntu...10:17
fatejudger!ftp10:24
ubotuNo idea, fatejudger10:24
fatejudger!ftp client10:24
ubotuNo idea, fatejudger10:24
fatejudgerwell thanks a lot...10:24
fatejudgerdoes anyone have a favorite FTP client other than Kbear?10:25
fatejudgerKbear keeps crashing or not tiling windows right10:25
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konsoleboxexcuse me.. do u know this error (Xorg logfile): (EE) RADEON(0): [agp]  AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI.10:33
inc|freakyany1 using a remote control for his/her pc ... im just trying to acomplish it ^^10:34
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spiralhi10:35
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fatejudgerhow can I extract rar files?10:50
fatejudgerwhat package can I get that will do this?10:50
Tm_Tunrar?10:51
konsoleboxunrar-free?10:51
fatejudgerthanks10:53
konsoleboxis there an alternate to intel-agp? the module crashes with my mb and no other *-agp modules are compatible.. i already searched for some forums and found the same problems.. intel-agp is generic right? is there any other generic module?10:53
fatejudgerwow, unrar isn't doing a very good job10:54
fatejudgerit keeps "failing"10:54
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fatejudgeris there another program to extract rar files?10:58
konsoleboxfatejudger: maybe u can check this site: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar10:58
Nakkelor use unrar-nonfree package10:59
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crtrhow to check if my sound cars is not working ?11:00
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crtrhow to check if my sound card is not working ?11:02
fatejudgerkonsolebox: it says my version of libc6 isn't new enough11:02
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DocTomoecrtr: If there is no sound, your soundcard does not work. easy, is it? ;)11:03
crtrhehe11:04
crtrand if the speaker system is not working , and the card is working 11:04
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DocTomoethen you should consider plugging some headphones to the card for testing.11:04
god-zerocrtr: what kind of computer do you have? I want make sure to stear clear of em.11:04
DocTomoethe probability that both your speakers and your headphones are defective is smaller than just your boxes not working.11:05
inc|freakyim currently installing a mouse cursor theme, whats the difference between a hand and a wand?11:05
inc|freakyi mean, whats "wand" at all?11:05
inc|freaky(sry 4 my bad english)11:05
crtryesterday there was sound .. when i stopped the movie and i opened another movie there wasn?t any sound ..11:06
DocTomoemight as well be a problem with the other movies audio channel11:06
crtrno ..11:06
god-zerocrtr: ...still no sound? did you look for the player in ps? Have you restared x?11:08
inc|freakyhas any1 got the same problem that mozilla firefox wont start anymore?11:08
fatejudgerhow the hell do you people extract rar archives?11:08
fatejudgerthe version in the repository is old as hell11:08
god-zerounrar11:08
fatejudgerwell it doesn't work11:09
inc|freakyfatejudger: unrar x11:09
fatejudgerit keeps failing11:09
inc|freakyfatejudger: read the message11:09
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inc|freakyfatejudger: and man unrar11:09
inc|freakywill help you ;D11:09
crtrfatejudger, i?v got the same problem11:09
DocTomoeinc|freaky: try rm -rf ~/.mozilla*11:09
god-zerowhat error?11:09
fatejudgerinc|freaky: how is that going to help me?11:09
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DocTomoefatejudger: there is unrar source on rarlabs homepage. 11:10
fatejudgerI know, but I can't compile it11:10
fatejudgerthere isn't a configure file11:10
DocTomoeyou could download it and compile from source. as it is not "open", it will probably not be included in ubuntu11:10
DocTomoefatejudger: you do not need one. just "make"11:10
inc|freakyDocTomoe: will that delete my bookmarks?11:10
DocTomoeinc|freaky: Probably yes.11:10
inc|freakygrr11:10
DocTomoeWho the hell needs bookmarks, anyway? You could finde them in that directory and try to backup them11:11
fatejudgerDocTomoe: "make" doesn't work either11:11
inc|freakyDocTomoe: it didnt help firefox is still not starting ill try running it at a consolel looking for the error ;D11:12
DocTomoeinc|freaky ... that should be the *first* thing to do if something seems broken.11:12
inc|freakyyea it just does nothing11:13
god-zeroyou could mv out the bookmarks.html then rm, then mv them back11:13
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inc|freakyi enter the cmd the cursor jumps into the next line no errors no output at all just freezed11:13
DocTomoefatejudger: you have build-essential installed, have you?11:13
inc|freaky(the console output)11:13
fatejudgerDocTomoe: yes, I compile stuff all of the time11:13
DocTomoeinc|freaky: How about sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox ?11:14
fatejudgerDocTomoe: it just says that there isn't a makefile11:14
fatejudgerDocTomoe: which there isn't11:14
fatejudgerthere's only makefile.unix11:14
fatejudgermakefile.bcc11:14
fatejudgerit doesn't make any sense11:14
DocTomoethere should be a readme11:14
inc|freakyDocTomoe: also doesnt work11:14
god-zeroinc|freaky: killall firefox11:14
DocTomoeI think there was a step like renaming one of those makefiles. probably makefile.unix -> Makefile or something.11:15
fatejudgerDocTomoe: yeah11:15
fatejudgerDocTomoe: I tried that11:15
fatejudgerDocTomoe: it's compiling11:15
god-zerofirefox had a zombie like bug, the first instance wouldn't close, subsequent launches would hang11:15
DocTomoefatejudger: there will not be a make install in this source ... you'll have to move the unrar executable to a directory of your choosing.11:15
inc|freakygod-zero: also doesnt work :(11:16
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fatejudgerDocTomoe: I can't find that either11:16
DocTomoefatejudger: did you compile?11:16
fatejudgerDocTomoe: nm, Konq needed a refresh11:16
DocTomoeI have a unrar executable in the source directory after compiling11:16
fatejudgerDocTomoe: well this does me no good11:17
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fatejudgerDocTomoe: it's just some dumb executable11:18
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fatejudgerI'm going to have to run it every time11:18
fatejudgerby ./ing it11:18
konsoleboxfatejudger: the i386 package in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar works for me.. did u get i386?11:18
DocTomoefatejudger: move that "dumb" executable to somewhere where the system will look for it. /usr/local/bin or something11:18
fatejudgerkonsolebox: it says I need a newer version of libc611:19
konsoleboxfatejudger: ok11:19
god-zerowhat am I doing wrong: "killall firefox"?11:19
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DocTomoefatejudger: what do you mean with "i have to run it every time"?11:19
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god-zeroinc|freaky: there's something about killall I forgot it seems, open ksysgaurd, kill all the firefoxs and firefox.bins11:20
inc|freakygod-zero: there were only firefox-bins running11:21
inc|freakygod-zero: ps aux | grep mozilla or grap firefox doesnt show anything11:21
inc|freakyi try to start11:21
inc|freakyit hangs11:21
inc|freakyno error showing11:21
inc|freakyjust doing nothing11:21
god-zerostill, ok I see11:21
fatejudgerDocTomoe: ok, it works now and it's integrated into Konq11:22
fatejudgerDocTomoe: thanks11:22
DocTomoenp11:22
DocTomoeHm, I have a problem with sound in vlc - KDE sound works fine. any ideas?11:23
crimsuninstall vlc-plugin-arts11:25
crimsun(it's in universe)11:25
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inc|freaky:( seems like no1 can help me before i restarted X it worked11:34
god-zerohrm that's odd, I can "killall konsole", but I can't "killall firefox" or "killall firefox.bin", is that because it's java or something?11:34
inc|freakygod-zero: what do you mean "you cant"? doesnt the program exit?11:34
Tranquitos_god-zero: it's firefox-bin11:35
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inc|freakyps aux | grep firefox11:35
god-zeromaybe I should switch to a bigger font ;)11:36
konsoleboxgod-zero: hav u tried killall -s 9 firefox-bin?11:37
god-zeroIt works, the - looked like a . to me in that font11:37
konsolebox^^11:37
god-zeroit's always the stupid little things that mess you up11:39
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inc|freakyi just noticed, thunderbird doesnt start, too :(( what is happening11:40
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god-zeroinc|freaky: any error?11:43
inc|freakygod-zero: no, nothing at all. cursor just hanging in the next line11:43
inc|freakythunderbird at least showing selected locale: de-DE11:44
inc|freakybut then hanging like firefox11:44
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inc|freakyno window opens nothign happens11:44
god-zerotype "please"11:44
god-zero;)11:44
inc|freakysudo mozilla-thunderbird shows me the first configuration dialouge11:44
god-zeromm11:45
Tranquitos_inc|freaky: have you tried removing your configuration files?11:45
inc|freakyyey11:45
inc|freakyyes11:45
god-zerosudo gui is bad idea11:45
inc|freakygod-zero: just testing11:45
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god-zerowell, I meen if you did that before the prob, that maybe why... kdesu gui11:46
god-zeroinstaed11:46
god-zeroinstead11:46
inc|freakyno didnt du it11:46
god-zerok...11:47
IceDC571whats the name of that dialog that lets you configure KDE's settings like choosing a Microsoft, Mac, UNIX behaviour11:47
god-zerosingle click vs double click?11:47
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IceDC571yep11:48
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TokenBadI think do it through control center11:49
TokenBadappearence and themes11:51
TokenBadthen style11:51
orace|IceDC571, you could also run kpersonalizer11:51
IceDC571orace|, thats it! thanks :)11:52
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god-zeroI forgot about that app11:52
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guillaumehi12:06
god-zerohi12:09
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mr_owenhi12:11
mr_oweni have a little problem with my pcmcia wifi card12:11
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mr_owenevery time i reboot it isn't there anymore12:11
mr_owenanyone ? 12:12
DocTomoemr_owen: You might want to put the coonfiguration commands into /etc/init/networking.12:12
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mr_owen?12:12
mr_owenhow can i do thaht ? 12:12
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mr_owenand what are those commands ? 12:12
DocTomoewhat commands do you use to initiate your wifi card?12:13
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mr_owenwell12:13
mr_owenif i reboot 12:13
mr_owenit isn't there anymore in the list at settings 12:13
mr_owenso then i go to console12:13
mr_oweni do ndiswrapper -hotplug12:13
mr_owenen then ndiswrapper modprobe12:13
mr_owenen then it is turned on12:14
mr_owenbut then i can't go into administrator mode to enable it 12:14
mr_owenthat's a fault in the kde i think 12:14
DocTomoenegative, this is not KDE. You might want to put the ndiswrapper-Commands in startup. Usually, the modprobe should do this automatically. strange12:15
mr_owenyeah i know12:15
mr_owenbut i can't get into administrator mode12:15
TokenBadcan anyone tell me why my screen saver don't start on bootup12:15
mr_owenit asks my pass 12:15
TokenBadI actually have to go to screensaver12:15
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mr_oweni put it in, and then it just doesn't go into admin mode12:15
TokenBadthen it tells me its not started and ask me to start it12:15
DocTomoemr_owen ... what version are you running?12:15
mr_owenbreezy12:16
mr_owenin hoary the card didn't work 12:16
mr_owenso i had to update 12:16
DocTomoehave you unlocked admin mode and use your root password for this?12:16
mr_owenwell12:16
mr_owenthere is the button administrator mode at the bottom 12:17
mr_owenif i do that is asks my root pasword12:17
mr_owenand sometimes it works12:17
DocTomoeno.12:17
DocTomoeit asks your user apssword.12:17
mr_owenthat's the same12:17
DocTomoethis is adapted to ubuntus user-password-sudo-philosophy12:17
mr_oweni ony have one pasword, the user pasword12:18
mr_owenand that works with sudo also 12:18
mr_owenand sometimes it worked for admin mode aswell12:18
DocTomoesudo always works with user password. 12:18
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mr_owenthen pls tell me how i can get into admin mode12:19
DocTomoetry kdesu kcontrol 12:19
DocTomoethis might take a while to load12:19
mr_owenyeah12:20
DocTomoewelcome to admin mode ;)12:20
mr_owenthat worked12:21
mr_owenshould i go out of this mode when i'm finished or does he do that automatically ? 12:21
DocTomoesimply chose kcontrol12:23
DocTomoeclose12:23
mr_owenand can you help me now with putting those commands in so my card will work automatically ? 12:24
TokenBadcan anyone tell me why my screen saver don't start on bootup12:24
TokenBadI actually have to go to screensaver12:24
TokenBadthen it tells me its not started and ask me to start it12:25
DocTomoemr_owen: Why do you not change your /etc/init.d/networking configuration with sudo vi /etc/init.d/networking and adding your ndiswrapper commands where they seem to make sense? ;)12:26
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mornfallRiddell: where are you hiding? :'(12:29
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mr_owenhm12:32
mr_owendoctomoe still here ? 12:32
DocTomoejupp12:32
mr_owenwell12:32
mr_oweni enabled the wifi card12:32
mr_owenit worked, it got the ip 12:33
mr_owenbut when i than unplugged my lan cable, i didn't have internet12:33
mr_owenstrange12:33
mr_owenso i rebooted, and the card is gone again12:33
DocTomoethat is a routing problem. try changing your standard route over the wifi card.12:33
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mr_owenmm12:34
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inc|freakydoes any1 know how i can have kopete stop these messages popping up from the taskbar when someone comes online?12:34
mr_owencan you pls help me to get the card started every time i log in ? 12:34
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DocTomoemr_owen: I do not know your card. I do not know your system configuration. I even do not know your wifi hotspot configuration. What I know is that if you want your card running, you have to initiate it in the init.d files. 12:36
mr_owenhm12:36
DocTomoemaybe #ndiswrapper will be of more help ;)12:36
GeneralZodinc|freaky: Settings->Configure Notifications12:37
GeneralZodinc|freaky:Particularly, "A user has come online"12:38
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TokenBadcan anyone tell me why my screen saver don't start on bootup12:39
inc|freakythankyou :D12:39
TokenBadI actually have to go to screensaver12:39
TokenBadthen it tells me its not started and ask me to start it12:39
GeneralZodinc|freaky: You're welcome :)12:40
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max_ct_ITqualcuno da italia?01:02
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nalioth!ita01:02
ubotuitaliano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)01:02
max_ct_ITthanks01:07
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mr_owenhi01:28
mr_oweni have a question01:28
mr_oweni made an extra fat32 partition01:28
mr_owenso i could put things there that i can use in linux and windows01:28
mr_owenbut i can't write on it 01:28
mr_owenhow can i change this , 01:28
mr_owenwell, i can't write to it from KDE, but i can form console01:28
naliothubotu: tell mr_owen about windowsdrives01:28
mr_owen?01:29
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naliothmr_owen: ubotu has messaged you. read it01:30
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mr_owendid so01:31
mr_owenstill doesn't work01:31
hmmmmr_owen: maybe u need to edit the /etc/mtab so that normal users can also write on ur fat32 partition01:31
naliothmr_owen: did you read and execute the script?01:31
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Kamping_Kaisermtab?01:31
mr_owenyes01:32
mr_oweni did sudo bach winmac_fstab01:32
mr_owenand then it asked if i wanted to do that for al users so i said yes01:32
mr_owenbut if i go to /windows in conquerer01:32
mr_oweni still can't make a new map01:32
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segeubuntu-repository for kubuntu or does kubuntu have there own repository now?01:32
buzthe same repo01:32
Kamping_Kaisershared01:32
segefor breezy?01:32
naliothsudo what?01:33
konsoleboxmr_owen: maybe u need to remount?? maybe01:33
Kamping_Kaisersame sege01:33
Kamping_Kaiserexept 3.5 beta01:33
segeKamping_Kaiser: thanks.01:33
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mr_owenwith mnt /windows /windows ? 01:33
naliothmr_owen: you ran sudo WHAT winmac_fstab?01:35
mr_owenbash01:36
mr_owenlike it said 01:36
mr_owen:s01:38
naliothmr_owen: look in /media01:39
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konsoleboxmr_owen: do u mean in console.. u'r logged as root?01:47
mr_owenyes01:50
mr_owenin media01:51
mr_owenthe extra partition isn't there01:51
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mr_owenbut maybe i made an error01:51
mr_owenwhen i partitioned, i made that partition /windows01:51
mr_owenso now i have a map /windows01:51
konsoleboxtry reading this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/03/msg01117.html, u can have an idea01:51
mr_owenwhich should be a partition of 20 Gb to use with windows and linux01:52
mr_owenso i think i should just repartition this one 01:52
mr_owen:)01:52
mr_owenis there a partition manager program in kubuntu ? 01:53
naliothmr_owen: qt- or g- parted01:53
mr_owenlook01:54
mr_owenwhen i look in kdiskfree01:54
mr_owenit is this one: 01:54
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mr_owen /dev/hda4 01:54
mr_owenvfat 01:55
mr_owenmountpoint /windows01:55
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mr_oweni just don't understand why i can't write on it 01:57
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bazanHi, do are you able to login your msn account via kopete01:58
bazanthe server seems down?01:58
Kamping_Kaiseryes, the servers are down01:59
nikkiabazan, its odd01:59
bazanok, thx01:59
mr_oweni'm online :s 01:59
mr_owenoh no i'm not 01:59
Kamping_Kaisermost ppl i know are off01:59
mr_owen:)01:59
GeneralZodI get: "The server is not available at the moment. Please try again later."01:59
nikkiabazan, i have 2 accounts, one is on, the other is getting the message about tehe server not being available01:59
nikkiaoh, tell a lie01:59
nikkiaas i wrote that, my main account dropped offline again01:59
nikkiai fear they might have changed the protocol again :/ its that time of year :/02:00
naliothnikkia: keepin ya on your toes02:04
nikkianalioth: other than the advertisement issue, i don't see why IM vendors need to keep locking out the 3rd parties02:04
nikkiabut even there, more 3rd parties == more market share == more clueless users using 1st party == more advertisement views02:04
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nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: a lot of people MAY use jabber, now google has a jabber service :)02:07
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: that said, all my gmail-using friends/colleagues still use MSN instead02:07
Kamping_Kaiser;) yes, heres hoping02:07
Kamping_Kaiserproblem with the google thing is its not seen as jabber, so ppl are using it, but idont realy know02:07
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: yeah, and google don't appear to have any gateways to other jabber servers :/02:08
Kamping_Kaiser:( but tehy were going to fix that werent they?02:08
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jsubl2in digikam version 7.2 where is the print wizard dialog to print say 4 images to page02:15
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nikkiayep, protocol change, gits!02:17
nikkia'your password is incorrect'02:17
Kamping_Kaiserheh. well picked 02:18
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Kamping_Kaiser:/02:19
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nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: if i could convince my coworkers to use it...02:20
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Kamping_Kaiseryeh :/02:20
Kamping_Kaiserif i could convice *anyone* to use it02:20
Kamping_Kaiserthat would be one less person i loose contact with every few months...02:20
nikkiaaye, i could do without being out-of-contact this week02:21
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nikkiabut not 'i could do' enough to run windows for a week :P02:21
Kamping_Kaiserlol02:26
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seaLnedon't suppose anyone has a matrox dual head card?02:34
buzhas anyone with a ati r200 tried Exa already?02:34
buzand found transparency usably fast with it?02:37
god-zerobuz: I got a 9200se (280?) transparency and the like have been elusive.02:40
buzbut have you tried exa?02:40
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buzit seems to work faster than before but still not really useable02:41
god-zerotried, couldn't seem to get it to work02:41
buzhow can i know it does work?02:41
buzcomposite for one seems to work02:41
buz(else transparency wouldnt work afaik)02:41
god-zerocomposite works, but slow.. mucks up stuff02:42
buzthen maybe exa didnt get loaded02:42
god-zeromy inergrated i845 did better02:42
god-zeroI tried and tried, but I couldn't get results like I expected. But 3d is fine. (I'm using fglrx, not ati, or radeon)02:44
buzfglrx has no support for exa02:45
buzonly the radeon has for what i understand02:45
hydrogenexa is nice :)02:45
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hydrogentransparency I still have trouble with though02:45
buzhydrogen: you dont happen to know how i can check if its being used?02:45
god-zeroI used the "ati" driver and 2d was quite stable02:45
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zeethreedeehey peeps anyone know how to get an external usb hdd to work?02:46
buzzeethreedee: works flawlessly here02:46
buzplug in and go02:46
zeethreedeeno it doesnt02:46
zeethreedeei tried02:46
buzwhat happens02:46
zeethreedeei plug in harddrive spins up but i cant mount it and it doesn't appear in the "storage media" section02:47
buzwhat does dmesg say02:48
zeethreedeeill check02:48
mornfallubotu: seen Riddell 02:48
uboturiddell is currently on #kubuntu #ubuntu02:48
mornfallubotu: stupid bot02:48
ubotustupid mornfall02:48
Tm_T=)02:48
Tm_Tubotu: go home02:48
ubotuTm_T: Are you on ritalin?02:48
mornfallubotu is too aggressive02:49
ubotumornfall: Did you get hit by a windmill?02:49
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Tm_Tno, I use blue and red and stripy and yellow pills02:49
Tm_Tand pile of white ones02:49
buzubotu needs an anger management therapy02:49
ubotubuz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?02:49
buzin your case yes02:49
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mornfallhmm, Riddell went under02:50
mornfallor what02:50
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slow-motionhallo02:55
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buzmhh composite is still awfully slow02:56
buzi somehow dont think exa works02:56
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Riddelljdub: hi03:09
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gdhIs it possible to specify partitioning when installing Kubuntu? I'd like to have /home in a seperate partition so if I need to trash the root parition in future, it's easy to keep all my data / settings..03:19
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gdhMyown install was so long ago now I can't remember if there's the option for this or not03:19
linkeI have installed apache from apt-get, and I can acess it from the same computer, but not from another one on the network. why?03:19
Kamping_Kaisergdh yes you can03:19
Kamping_Kaiserlinke: its probably only set to listen on localhost or 127.0.0.103:20
gdhKamping_Kaiser: Cool, is it part of the 'normal' install or do I need to enable an 'expert' mode ?03:20
linkewhere do I set it not to03:20
linke?03:20
Kamping_Kaisergdh: rather then let it auto partition, do a manual partition03:20
Kamping_Kaiserotherwise its the same installer03:20
Kamping_Kaiserlinke: using apache or apache2?03:20
linkeapache203:20
Kamping_Kaiser /etc/apache2/apache2.conf iirc03:21
linkeokay03:21
Kamping_Kaiseri dont have it installed on this box, so i cant look up the exact setting, sorry03:21
linkeI'll try03:21
linkeKamping, I found something in that file that said something about .htacess, is that it?03:23
Kamping_Kaiserno, it should be in that file03:23
Kamping_Kaisertry searching for "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" and see if tehres a 'listen' option03:23
linkeI didn't find anything.. you want me to send you the file?03:23
Kamping_Kaiserpastebin it03:24
Kamping_Kaiserpls03:24
linkepastebin?03:24
Kamping_Kaiserwww.pastebin.com03:24
linkeokay03:24
Kamping_Kaiserits for puting lots of text into03:24
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linkehttp://pastebin.com/38047503:25
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Kamping_Kaiserlinke: it looks fine, are you sure the problem is on the server?03:27
linkeI think so at least, I'll try putting some random files in the public_html-directory03:28
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gdhlinke: can you try from the other machine 'telnet IP.ADDRESS.OF.SERVER 80' then type GET / and press Enter twice?03:28
seaLnetry netstat -a|grep www to see what apache is listening on03:28
linkethe other computer is a windows machine, sorry03:28
gdhlinke: telnet is on Windows, too..03:28
gdhYou won't be able to see yourself typing 'GET /' with windows telnet, tho03:29
linketelnet is okay03:29
linkehold on then03:29
gdhIf you get a whole load of text back.. 03:29
gdhheh :) then apache is working fine...03:29
linkeokay03:30
gdhare you just using a windows web browser and going to http://IP.ADDRESS.OF.SERVER/ ?03:30
gdhor are you trying to use http://machinename/ ?03:30
linkegdh: doing ip of sorver doesn't work, they aren't on a windows network yet, and doing the telnet thing just says "connecting to *ip*"03:31
Kamping_Kaiserlinke: can you ping the server?03:32
gdhcan you even ping the Linux server from your windows box?03:32
gdhha :)03:32
Kamping_Kaiserlol gdh03:32
linkeI'll try03:32
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gdhThis just smells like TCP/IP 101 .. wrong subnet mask or something..03:32
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linkeI can't ping it, from windows box, wierd03:33
linkethey are connected to the same router03:33
Kamping_Kaiserare tehy on the same network?03:33
linkenot the same network, but the same router03:34
linkesomeone try pinging 82.182.132.146?03:34
linkeand don't haxx0r it pleaes03:34
linke*please03:34
gdher.. they at least have IP addresses in the same private range ? 10.0.0.x / 192.168.0.x or similar?03:34
linkewierd, both computers has got the same external ip :s03:35
gdhThat can't be good. :)03:35
Kamping_Kaiserlol03:35
linkenope, they are on some wierd d-link hybrid of wireless and non-wireless router03:36
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gdhVery.03:37
gdhlinke: Don't suppose you have just a cheap hub / switch lying around that you could isolate the two machines onto03:38
gdhjust to eliminate the d-link box doing 'weird shit'  :)03:38
linkeand then I plug that one to the modem?03:38
gdhtypically the way such ethernet routers work is the router itself gets the public IP 82.x.x.x03:38
gdhand it allocates a private address in 10.0.0.x to each machine on the LAN03:39
linkeoh yeah, my friend, it is his computer, has got a spare switch lying around03:39
gdhand the router does the IP Masq to each Net request from teh lAN appears to be coming from the router itself...03:39
gdhI don't know what funny stuff the router is trying to do.. some kind of 'ppp half bridge' so LAN machiens get a public IP...03:40
Kamping_Kaisergot a crossover cable? easier then a switch...03:40
gdhIt's asking for pain :)03:40
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linkebut I need to be able to acess the server from other computers too03:40
linkebut if I plug a switch to the modem, will that give me a different ip?03:40
gdhwithout knowing the device or how it works, it's very difficult to give useful advice :/03:41
Kamping_Kaiserlinke:  what is the modem, can you give us a link to teh website?03:42
gdhIs this a cable modem system or ADSL or what?03:42
linkehold on03:42
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linkedlink-dl-713p is the router, and spedtouch is all the modem says, but maybe his isp only gives one external ip?03:44
gdha single external IP is normal yes, and typically that IP gets assigned to the router, not the PCs...03:44
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linkethen a switch won't solve, his sisters computer has got the same ip too, so I guess that's the problem03:45
soebbiif i change my k-menu (by moving or deleting entries) saving the changes does nothing. Does anyone have the same problem?03:46
Kamping_Kaiserlinke: can you explain what has to happen with teh internet+server a bit better more? what services does the server offer?03:46
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linkethe server is basicly a old computer with kubuntu and apache2 if that is what you mean, or you mean the isp?03:47
Kamping_Kaiserso all it does is serv a website?03:47
Kamping_Kaiserthen you can forwrad port 80 on the router to that pc03:48
linkeor more like a mp3-host for his friends 03:48
Kamping_Kaiserand all is good03:48
linkeokay, hold on03:48
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linkewait, if I enter the network ip (192.168.bla), then it works03:49
linkeso I guess just opening port 80 would do03:49
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rrichiehi all03:50
rrichiehow can i aothorize root to log in in kdm please?03:50
Kamping_Kaiserlinke: now make sure its a static ip.. .or when it changes teh server will go offline03:50
Kamping_Kaiserrrichie: with pain03:51
rrichiepain ?03:51
Kamping_Kaiseryes. its not easy03:51
rrichiecan you explain it to me please?03:51
Kamping_Kaiserno, because i havent done it. but roughly you have to 'sudo passwd root' to enable the root account, then change kdms login conf file to alow root logins03:51
rrichiewhat is the kdm login conf file please?03:52
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seaLnerrichie: why do you need to run X as root?03:53
rrichiebecause i have to launch a program as root but konqueror freezes on my computer when i do that03:54
seaLneare you using kdesu?03:54
rrichieno03:55
rrichiexhost +03:55
rrichiesu03:55
rrichiekonqueror03:55
rrichiekdesu konqueror makes konqueror to hangs03:55
rrichiei need to log in as root03:55
rrichiecan you help me please?03:56
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kubuntuhello. . do u know the package name that contains r200_dri.so?04:08
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apokryphoskonsolebox: xlibmesa-dri04:10
konsoleboxok thanks04:10
apokryphoskonsolebox: use packages.ubuntu.com for things like that =)04:10
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nikkiamorning apokryphos04:10
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apokryphoshey04:11
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nikkiawas starting to worry that your sis might have buried you under the patio :P04:11
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apokryphosI ended up coming home just ten minutes after loads of people went out; meant I had to cue for half an hour while they got in straight away oO04:12
scheichhi04:12
apokryphoshi there04:12
apokryphos113 -- channel is indeed growing04:12
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konsoleboxapokryphos: can u give a sample deb http://packages.ubuntu.com/* like thing? pls04:17
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apokryphospaste.ubuntulinux.nl/96904:17
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gautamhi all!04:22
gautami have a question.. when breezy releases, would it be possible to upgrade using kynaptic alone?04:23
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Kamping_Kaiseryes04:24
nikkiagautam: i wouldn't recommend using kynaptic04:24
gautamah...any reason why not?04:24
nikkiaa full system upgrade is surely going to have console prompts, which kynapic doesn't (didn't, last time i checked) handle04:24
gautamoh....then an apt-get dist upgrade then?04:24
gautami've heard that a re-install is preferable to an update04:25
konsoleboxapokryphos: how will i add in sources.list this: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-dri_6.8.2-10.1_i386.deb04:25
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nikkiagautam: its less likely to be a hassle to reinstall, if your original install was done cleanly04:26
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gautambut i don't want to end up reconfiguring breezy from scratch04:27
gautamthat's why i prefer to just upgrade04:27
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apokryphoskonsolebox: how woudl you add it? What?04:29
konsoleboxnvm i found the way04:29
konsoleboxwhat i meant was the repository04:29
konsoleboxaddress04:29
apokryphosthe link I gave you had the security.ubuntu.com repository04:30
cnp-mad30if you run kynaptic from the console using sudo kynaptic u can answer the console prompts04:31
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Deaniehi04:37
Deaniewhen will breezy be released?04:37
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Deanieive added repos for backport and universe/multiverse and kde 3.4.2, would a dist-upgrade update my whole os ? (properly)04:41
crtrI have .taz.gz in /var/www and the archive is 4 GB . I can't see it in web browser , why ?04:42
Kamping_Kaisercomment out the backports, tehn update04:42
Kamping_Kaiser.tar.gz? or taz.gz? and im not sure is teh answer04:42
Kamping_Kaiserany .htaccess stuff hiding it?04:42
crtrit's .tar.gz and i don't know what's .htaccess ..04:43
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Deaniewhat are backports for?04:44
Kamping_Kaisercrtr: what path did you put in your browser?04:44
Deaniea 4gb file ? dvd ? 04:44
Kamping_KaiserDeanie: they give new packages (say from breezy) to teh stable releases (say hoary)04:44
Deanieif u dare, try unpack it :)04:44
crtrKamping_Kaiser, my ip 04:45
crtrDeanie, not a DVD .. mp3s put in archive04:45
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Kamping_Kaisercrtr: +path? or just your ip?04:45
crtrKamping_Kaiser, ip only04:45
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Deaniedo i need backports then?  ive no idea04:45
Kamping_Kaiserthat should be ok then :/ sure you have apache installed?04:45
Kamping_KaiserDeanie: no, you *never need* backports04:46
Kamping_Kaiserits a luxury 04:46
crtryes i have it ..04:46
Kamping_Kaisernot sure then crtl04:46
crtrthere are 3-4 folders and another tar.gz04:46
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elvirolohi all04:54
elvirolois it still impossible to have musicbrainz support for mp3's ?04:54
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seaLnefreedb is more comonly used by music progs04:55
DeanieKamping_Kaiser can u have a quick look at my sources list and tell me if its ok?04:56
Kamping_Kaiserok Deanie. pastebin it04:56
whoiamany kernel guru here ?04:56
Deaniehttp://www.duff.karoo.net/sources.list04:56
Deanieif thats easier04:56
Kamping_Kaiserthats fine04:57
Kamping_Kaisercomment out teh cdrom04:57
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Kamping_Kaiserand comment out packports04:57
Deaniek04:58
Kamping_Kaisernot sure about teh kde 3.4.2 thing04:58
Kamping_Kaiserill find a link to mine to show you ;)04:58
whoiamanybody know how can I get my current kernel configuration, so that I could use it as dummy for compiling my new kernel (like you have kernel configuration in gentoo)04:58
Deanieim wantin to move my windows setup over to linux now i have enuff of my progs replaced and now got apache2+ssl+deflate to play nice04:58
Kamping_Kaiserhttp://users.on.net/~goetz/sources.list.uber.internode <- the sources list i wrote04:59
Kamping_Kaiserfor my isp mirrors04:59
Deaniebut ill wait for breezy04:59
llis it still impossible to have musicbrainz support for mp3's ?04:59
Kamping_Kaiser!kernelcompile04:59
ubotuYou will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto04:59
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Kamping_Kaisertry that whoiam, othr then that i cant help05:00
Deanielink not working05:00
Kamping_Kaiserhm.05:00
whoiamKamping_Kaiser: lemme check05:00
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Kamping_Kaiserhttp://users.on.net/~goetz/sources.list.uber.node <- the sources list i wrote05:00
Kamping_Kaisertry that05:00
Deaniehuge05:01
whoiamubotu: I know how to compile a kernel, I just want to remove some unwanted things from my current kernel, so I need a skelaton of config file05:01
ubotuI'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about, whoiam05:01
Kamping_KaiserDeanie: yeh. basicly. if you change the 'node' to 'ubuntu' its a list pointing at the master servers05:02
slow-motionre05:02
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whoiamubotu: lemme check the link05:03
whoiam:)05:03
ubotuwhoiam: Syntax error in line 105:03
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Kamping_Kaiserlol05:03
Deaniestick with my list for now ;)05:04
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Kamping_Kaiserlol. 05:04
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Deaniewouldnt know where to start with that one05:04
Deanieand im forever breaking the linux05:04
Kamping_Kaiserit does every version of ubuntu, with individual repos you can turn on and off05:05
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Deaniei dont know what to turn on / off05:06
Kamping_Kaiserlol. 05:06
Kamping_Kaiserthen dont go near it05:06
Kamping_Kaiserbasicly you would find the lines with 'hoary' in them, and uncomment them. 05:07
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whoiamubotu: great link, worth of reading all :) thnx05:07
ubotuwhoiam: I don't know, could you explain it?05:07
Deaniejust want a list to add latest packages and update as needed.05:07
Kamping_KaiserDeanie: yours is fine, just thought i would show off mine :005:07
Deaniek, well ive commented the cdrom and backport line, so shud be ok.  b05:09
Kamping_Kaiseryep.05:09
Deanieim only usin hoary in vmware at mo to make sure its all workin as i need it to.. 05:09
Deaniegunna wait till breezy is final and use that for main instal05:09
Kamping_Kaiserbreezy is nice.05:10
Kamping_Kaiserim waiting for breezy to go stable so i canupgrade to dapper05:10
Deaniewhats that05:10
Kamping_Kaiserthe version after breezy (version 6.04)05:11
inc|freakyhow do i use this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29702 ? is changing the look of the K-button or can any1 point me to a document?05:11
Deaniejust want me a stable upto date working os05:11
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ChousukeKamping_Kaiser: Freak.05:11
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Kamping_Kaiserlol. Chousuke why?05:11
ChousukeKamping_Kaiser: You like using unstable in-development operating systems?05:12
Deaniedoin a dist-upgrade,  238mb05:12
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, im a tweaker. i break stuff anyway, so some help is always good05:12
Kamping_Kaiserits also a bit of 'living life on the edge' involved05:13
inc|freakyi feel the same Kamping_Kaiser :) with ubuntu this is even made easy ^^05:13
Kamping_Kaiseryeh :)05:13
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ChousukeI don't care as long as it works.05:13
Kamping_Kaisermost ppl dont, which is teh problem i have trying to convert ppl05:14
Kamping_Kaiser'so does linux ever crash on you' 'yeh, everyday, because i run teh unstable version' 'oh.... ill stick with windows' :/05:14
apokryphosheh05:15
Chousukeyou're a bad marketer :p05:15
inc|freakyKamping_Kaiser: ppl need ppl like you so you can help them when they finally switch to the new stuff in which you have knowledge because youre using it since ages ^^05:15
ChousukeWell, just show them that windows doesn't work05:15
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apokryphosgoing all the way to the top!05:15
Kamping_KaiserChousuke: i show them untill they go blue.. .doesnt help ;)05:15
apokryphosI don't think I'll restart for when Breezy's out, even :P05:15
Kamping_Kaiserlol. go apokryphos :)05:15
inc|freakyin my last class i have taken one guy to linux. now hes trying to take others to linux but only one guy is interested in his class ... all others, after looking at live-cds sticked to windows 05:15
Chousuke18:15  up 3 days,  8:04, 19 users, load averages: 0.47 0.42 0.3505:15
Chousukeon a laptop, though, so it's acceptable :P05:16
inc|freakythey all scared and its all too hard for them05:16
Kamping_Kaiseri just convinced a mate to dl the live cd. will see how he goes05:16
ChousukeI wonder why 19 users though05:16
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ChousukeI'm logged in that many times for some reason.05:16
hydrogensomehow I have 0 users logged in05:16
Kamping_Kaiserinc|freaky: the other problem is that for them 'working mp3 support' involved opening a media player like xmms. to me it means writing a shell script to play mp3s with mplayer05:16
nikkianikki@nikki:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13/drivers/video$ uptime05:17
nikkia 16:16:54 up 32 days, 17:45,  3 users,  load average: 2.23, 1.27, 0.9305:17
naliothnikkia: showing off?05:17
hydrogenKamping_Kaiser: aye... for some reason people like their computers to look good these days, can you believe it~!05:17
inc|freakyKamping_Kaiser: well, i dont like any video player for KDE i hope some1 soon releases a real good one05:17
apokryphosnot toobad; but still a little mortalish 8)05:17
nikkianalioth: apokryphos said he was interested :P05:17
Kamping_Kaiseri know :/ standrds :/05:17
inc|freakyhydrogen: yea its the same here thats why i want to run everything most new ;)05:18
inc|freakysry 4 my bad english im too lazy to double-check what i say05:18
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hydrogenamaroK++05:18
nikkiaapokryphos: 05:18
inc|freakyhydrogen: ? whats amarok++?05:18
nikkianikki@laptop:~$ uptime05:18
nikkia 16:18:01 up 58 days, 16:29,  8 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0005:18
hydrogenamaroK is an audio player05:18
Chousuke32 say uptime is not that much.05:18
Chousukeday05:18
apokryphosnikkia: yup, I noticed and replied ;-)05:18
Chousukedepends on how mobile you are.05:18
apokryphosChousuke: agreed05:18
apokryphosChousuke: better when it goes into years05:18
ChousukeMy laptop is wth me all the time.05:18
inc|freakyneway, anyone knows how i can install a .xcf file i dont know what format that is but it is at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29702 and i want my K-Menu button to look like this to rearrange my kicker so it all looks really nice05:19
Chousukeso it doesn't get that much uptime05:19
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nikkiaChousuke: only problem with 'years' worth of uptime is, it invariably means you're running an old, crusty and probably insecure kernel :)05:19
inc|freakyhydrogen: i know i thought u wanted to tell me amarok++ is a new video player because i use amarok as mp3 player and like it ;)05:19
ChousukeIt's never crashed though.05:19
Chousukenikkia: yeah :/05:19
inc|freakydid you know aptitude has some easteregg? ^^05:20
Chousukea game of tetris?05:20
DeanieKamping_Kaiser right im off, so my sources list is ok for me to keep my hoary upto date with security and latest app versions (non beta) ?05:20
Kamping_Kaiserlooked ok Deanie.05:20
Kamping_Kaiserhope to see you around again05:20
Deaniei`ll be back05:21
Kamping_Kaisersee you then :)05:21
Deaniewhen i break it again05:21
Deaniettfn05:21
Kamping_Kaiserlol05:21
Kamping_Kaiserlater05:21
Chousukehm05:21
apokryphosnikkia: I was thinking more of in the line of 50+ years ;-)05:22
ChousukeBut hmm.05:22
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ChousukeAren't there ways of upgrading the kernel without a reboot?05:22
nikkiaChousuke: yes, kexec, but its not mainstream or out-of-beta yet05:23
nikkiait would still trash your uptime tho05:23
ChousukeHow so?05:23
nikkiakexec involves loading a new kernel image as-if you'd rebooted, so it would still result in uptime getting reset05:24
ChousukeThe "real" solution would be taking a microkernel approach I guess05:24
Chousukebuild a microkernel that doesn't have security flaws :P05:24
Kamping_Kaiserlol05:25
Kamping_Kaiserso hurd minus security issues05:25
ChousukeThen you would be able to upgrade the userspace stuff without reboots.05:25
Chousukebut then you'd get the annoying overhead.05:25
Kamping_Kaiserif we had hardware like the old VAXs (hot swapable interchangealbe ram+cpus+etc) you could change the hardware to do the upgrade (more ram ) tehn whack in teh cpus againa after05:27
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ChousukeBut then again, many people are happily using Java and interpreted programming languages :P05:27
Chousukehot-swappable cpus?)05:28
Kamping_Kaiseryeh. sun still do it iirc05:28
ChousukeThat's probably tricky.05:28
Kamping_Kaisertricky but COOOL05:28
Chousukeunless you have a SMP setup.05:28
nikkiaKamping_Kaiser: you know how the old vaxen achieved that, tho, right?05:29
nikkiathey had a whole nuther minicomputer sitting as the system supervisor - usually a PDP11 :)05:29
Kamping_Kaisernikkia: only a bit05:29
Kamping_Kaisera mate of mine has a MicroVAX2 under his desk, he told me a bit aobut it05:29
nikkiasome of the earlier VAXen had a PDP8, but most of the latter ones had PDP-11/75s for the system supervisor05:29
Kamping_Kaiserhe has PDP-11 iirc05:30
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nikkiathe microvax didn't have nearly the flexibility as a proper vaxen (8650, etc) tho05:30
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Kamping_Kaiserhm. fair enough probably05:31
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DrZootanyone know if its possible to install kubuntu without kde so that i can compile the kde bits from source05:31
apokryphosDrZoot: yes; do a server install05:31
ChousukeThe most exotic machine I've ever seen is probably a Sun sparc workstation :P05:31
nikkiaChousuke: i used to admin a cluster of vaxen, 'twas fun05:32
apokryphosDrZoot: (then just add what you want). Though you could just install kubuntu and easily remove all kde packs (easier)05:32
DrZootapokryphos: thats not actually going to install a bunch of servers that a desktop machine ( laptop ) will never use is it?05:32
Kamping_Kaiserlol Chousuke05:32
apokryphosDrZoot: no05:32
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DrZootapokryphos: okay, ill give it a go05:32
ChousukeI haven't even used that workstation yet.05:32
Kamping_Kaisernikkia: half your luck :(05:33
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ChousukeI don't have access to the sun machines at school :P05:33
apokryphosDrZoot: I still don't really recommend doing it that way though, but go for it if you like.05:33
nikkiamost exotic machines i used, tho, were probably the 68k based solbournes and 68k based sequents05:33
ChousukeI should apply for an account05:33
DrZootapokryphos: dont recommend compiling from source or dont recomend that particular method of doing it ?05:33
apokryphosDrZoot: the latter, but depending on your reasons, perhaps the former too.05:34
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DrZootapokryphos: haha, i want to get into kde dev at some point and i figure the best way to learn is to jump in feet first and look at lots of examples, i can think of no better example than the kde source :)05:35
apokryphosDrZoot: best way to get into kde dev, IMO, is to head to developer.kde.org and try gettin' your feet wet there =)05:36
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apokryphosDrZoot: and I'd recommend you install Kubuntu's KDE packs anyhow; it's a good idea to have another user -- often just called kdedev -- where you can have a kde svn checkout/other-kde-version (though not necessarily) which is compiled from source05:37
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DrZootdoes a kubuntu server install have a root user?05:38
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apokryphosDrZoot: nope, it shouldn't05:39
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inc|freakyDrZoot: they all have root-users its just the password is disabled. set a password and you can use root05:39
apokryphosbleh 05:40
DrZootinc|freaky: yeah i thought it was something like that05:40
apokryphoss/disabled/scrambled/ ;-)05:40
arcanistheroguedoes anyone here know how to mount a windows formatted ipod in linux?05:40
nikkiaapokryphos: it is actually disabled05:41
gdharcanistherogue: does amaroK or JuK not deal with iPods directly?05:41
nikkiaapokryphos: the password stored is impossible to achieve thru the crypt, which is what 'passwd' defines as a disabled password05:41
DrZooti briefly tried ubuntu a while back ( im a fairly died in the wool debian user ) and didnt like it ( mainly because of gnome ) but im thinking of giving it a second try, so im trying to remember all of the things i did / didnt like about it05:41
GeneralZodHi all - I was just wondering if anyone using Breezy could test quickly whether my pet bug has been fixed at all? It seems to have fallen through the cracks :( http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10639405:41
arcanistheroguegdh:  i dont want to use those.  my sister uses my computer to put music on her ipod, and i dont want to have to add all of her crappy music to my libraries >_<05:41
gdhhaha :)05:42
naliotharcanistherogue comes back, tell him to give his sister here own account05:46
naliothan account of her own05:46
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douglasWhere is kde installed in kubuntu?05:48
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DrZootdoes kubuntu support software suspend?05:49
douglasWhat do you mean?05:49
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DrZootif i install kubuntu on a laptop and then close the lid will it suspend? i know that software suspend is not included by default in the kernel 05:50
douglasummm... I don't think it's supported by default, but you can check out various things like kpowersave!05:51
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cddesjarhow do i add keys in Kubuntu?05:53
cddesjari.e. Release.gpg 05:53
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Kamping_Kaiserum. add?05:56
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kkathmanhi all :)06:05
Kamping_Kaiserhi :)06:06
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Tm_Tyu06:07
Kamping_Kaiserhi mate06:08
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Tm_Twhat's up06:08
Kamping_Kaiserplaying gnometris, listening to some mp3s. then im off :)06:08
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cddesjarhi06:10
cddesjari don't notice much difference between 3.5 and 3.4.206:10
Kamping_Kaiser*shrug*06:11
Kamping_Kaisersure your on 3.5?06:11
cddesjaryup 3.5 beta06:11
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cddesjari mean the splash screen looks different and kdm06:12
Tm_Twhat kind of differences youexpect?06:14
cddesjari don't know06:14
Tm_T:p06:14
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gdh"doesn't suck" would be good :)06:15
Tm_Twell, firstly, check your panel menu ;)06:15
gdh</troll>06:15
Tm_Tgdh: =)06:15
Kamping_Kaiser;)06:15
mr_robotoif i want to upgrade from hoary to breezy, is it as simple as changing "hoary" to "breezy" in sources.list, then update and dist-upgrade?06:18
Kamping_Kaiseryes06:18
mr_robotoany weirdness to watch out for?06:18
Kamping_Kaiserand lots of saying 'y' to questions about xorg configs06:18
Kamping_Kaiserhm. not as such. just be warned about the xorg options, pretty much a 'y' for every keyboard type installed06:19
mr_robotook thanks.   i haven't dug into it yet but hoary just refuses to suspend or hibernate on my dell inspiron 8200 laptop (ati binary driver). it won't come back (hibernate gives garbled screen, suspend "works" but screen is off!)   hoping breezy might magically fix it06:21
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Kamping_Kaisercheck if any of the laptop testers have yhour laptop06:21
Kamping_Kaiserif tehy do you can check the wiki entries for details06:22
mr_robotoahhh, ok.  well i'll try the update anyway since it's not my primary machine. i'll let my desktop kubuntu be for now :)06:22
mr_robotothanks for the tip06:22
Kamping_Kaiserthats ok :)06:23
Kamping_Kaisergives me a reason not to go to sleep06:23
mr_robotohaha06:23
mr_robotosleep is overrated06:23
Kamping_Kaiserlol. yeh06:23
Kamping_Kaiserand summers going to be here soon :( so it wont be easy to sleep, and i wont be able to run comptuers a lot as well :(06:24
mr_robotosoon? southern hemisphere i take it :)    winter is approaching here in Chicago06:24
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, australia here06:24
Kamping_Kaisersouth australia (central aust, bottom half)06:25
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mr_robotocomputers like air conditioning :)06:25
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, but none in my shed (where i am with the computers)06:25
Kamping_Kaiserall i have is a window and insulation06:25
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mr_robotoKamping_Kaiser: can you tell me what the first line of my sources.list should be?06:31
Kamping_Kaiserthe cd line?06:31
mr_robotoyes06:32
Kamping_Kaiser#deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted06:32
Kamping_Kaiseri think thats it... 06:32
mr_robotoeven if i switch to breezy?06:32
mr_robotothe apt-get update complained06:32
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mr_robotohmmm says i need to use apt-cdrom06:33
Kamping_Kaisernot sure for the breezy cd line. run 'sudo apt-cdrom'06:33
Kamping_Kaiserlol06:33
mr_robotohaha06:33
Kamping_Kaiseryeh.06:33
Kamping_Kaiserwhat is the breezy cd line?06:33
mr_robotoi have no cdrom06:33
Kamping_Kaiseroh, right :/06:34
mr_robotoyou mean i need to burn a cd?06:34
mr_robotoi can't just upgrade online?06:34
Kamping_Kaiserdo you want to update fromthe net?06:34
mr_robotoyes06:34
Kamping_Kaiseroh, just comment out the first line06:34
mr_robotoahhh06:34
mr_robotook06:34
mr_robotostill kind of a noob at atp06:34
mr_robotoapt06:34
Kamping_Kaisernah, all good06:34
Kamping_Kaiseri wont scare you with my sources list i showed someone before then ;)06:35
mr_robotook, here goes nothing!   (laptop upgrading now)06:35
Kamping_Kaiserdowngrading?06:35
Kamping_Kaiserah upgrading06:35
mr_robotohoary to breezy06:35
Kamping_Kaiseri read that downgrading :S06:35
Kamping_Kaiserwtf. good luck :)06:36
mr_robotogotta love that "Need to get 668MB of archives."06:36
Kamping_Kaiser'2mb extra used'06:36
Kamping_Kaiseryeh ;)06:36
Kamping_Kaiserin your sources list you should have at least 6 lines, one for breezy, breezy-updates, breezy-security, and the source versions of each06:37
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mr_robotoyep, more with restricted and multiverse06:39
Kamping_Kaiseryeh.06:39
Kamping_Kaiserhang on, im doing a line couunt on mine06:39
Kamping_Kaiser268 lines including comments06:40
Kamping_Kaiser(copious amounts of comments)06:40
mr_robotojesus06:40
mr_roboto:)06:40
Kamping_Kaiser:D06:40
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mr_roboto27 lines... I feel... inferior!06:41
Kamping_Kaiserlmao06:41
Kamping_Kaiserwell its my uber sources list (fair bit of E penis involved)06:41
mr_robotolol06:41
Kamping_Kaiser:)06:41
Kamping_Kaiserlol. 27 lines06:41
mr_robotoit's all how you USE those sources, my friend06:41
Kamping_KaiserLMAO06:42
gdhindeed, one could go for extra kudos points by having only a 1-line sources.list, but point it at a server on the LAN whcih centrally manages an apt-proxy and pushes out custom packages, etc. :)06:42
Kamping_Kaiseri use about 1-> 2 dozen lines of it at any one time06:42
whoiamubotu: want to know, what If I copy my /boot/config-* file as config file under kernel source. is this config file is configuration of my current kernel structure ?06:43
ubotuwhoiam: what are you talking about?06:43
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Kamping_Kaisermy active soruces list points at my proxy, but thats small ;)06:43
whoiamgdh: want to know, what If I copy my /boot/config-* file as config file under kernel source. is this config file is configuration of my current kernel structure ?06:43
mr_robotogdh: that's a good one :)06:43
spiralhi06:43
Kamping_Kaiserhi spiral06:44
gdhwhoiam: Yes. if you copy it to /usr/src/sourcedir/.config .. then 'make menuconfig' will use that as the basis for selections.06:44
gdhwhoiam: Since everything is built as a module already, there are only few situations which would need the kernel to be rebuilt...06:44
whoiamgdh: cool, I think it's a good idea to simply remove unwanted things from kernel with breaking system06:44
gdhwhoiam: Hmm, I trust the kernel packagers - they know much more about it than I do. :)06:45
whoiam:) actually you know what I was looking for so you are the kernel packagers for me :D06:45
gdh:)06:46
Kamping_Kaiserhm. *tries to think of things to do at this time of day*06:47
Kamping_Kaiseroh yeh, ts teh 3rd here already :O06:47
Kamping_Kaiser*its the06:47
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Kamping_Kaiser!pastebin06:50
ubotuI guess pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl06:50
Kamping_Kaiser!wtf06:51
ubotuwtf are you talking about, kamping_kaiser ?06:51
Kamping_Kaiserlol06:51
Kamping_Kaisersmall things amuse small minds....06:51
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brosioi've install mysql-server it is running, but the port of server isn't open! what could be ?06:53
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konnoryuuanyone here?06:54
Kamping_Kaiserbrosio: do you mean not open to the network, or not open at all?06:54
Kamping_Kaiserhi konnoryuu06:54
Kamping_Kaisera few ppl06:54
konnoryuuoh ok, hi06:54
Kamping_Kaiseron and off06:54
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JakubSE: Dynamic MMap ran out of room06:56
JakubSi'm getting this during apt-get update06:56
Kamping_Kaiseryou have disc space free?06:57
charlesi was wondering if someone could tell me waht all i need to go up change my kernal from i386 to i686 with SMP...do i just insall the i686 packages and leave the 386 stuff installed?06:57
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JakubSKamping_Kaiser: i have 1.4GB free06:58
Kamping_Kaisercharles: sudo apt-get install linux-image-686-smp iirc06:58
Kamping_KaiserJakubS: ok. its not that then :/06:59
konnoryuuevery time I have to enter my pass to do something, it says "conversation with su failed"06:59
Kamping_Kaisercan yhou give any more error JakubS? pastebin it?06:59
Tm_TJakubS: hullo06:59
Kamping_Kaiserkonnoryuu: using the kontroll center thing?06:59
JakubSok06:59
konnoryuuwhat's that? >_>06:59
JakubShey Tm_T 06:59
Kamping_Kaiserkonnoryuu: what things didnt like your password?07:00
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konnoryuui try to configure the clock it doesnt work07:00
konnoryuuthats all i tried so far07:00
konnoryuui mean change the date/time07:01
Kamping_Kaiseryeh.07:01
Kamping_Kaiserunless its the problem that kde had with its centrall controll doover (i forget what its called), i dont know about it07:01
konnoryuuwhat was the problem?07:02
JakubSKamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/38067807:02
Kamping_Kaiserwhen the user clicked 'administrator' it didnt accpet the password07:02
Kamping_Kaiseryou have to launch it with sudo from a terminal07:02
konnoryuusudo?07:03
Kamping_KaiserJakubS: wtf? how many distros have you got sources lists for?07:04
Kamping_Kaiserkonnoryuu: what you use in kubuntu instead of su07:04
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JakubSdebian and kubuntu, and small additional repos07:04
Kamping_Kaisertry sticking to ubuntu repos during your dist-upgrades07:05
Kamping_KaiserE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. < doesnt look pretty07:06
Kamping_Kaiserhowever, im going to bed. sorry folks07:06
Kamping_Kaiserits time :S07:06
JakubSbye then07:07
Kamping_Kaiserlater all07:07
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PiRX[lv] can anyone tell me, what is this error: Package <packagename> is not available, but is referred to by another package.07:12
PiRX[lv] it happens with different packages07:12
PiRX[lv] when trying to apt-get install <packagename>07:13
gdhPiRX[lv] : Usually means you don't have all repositories enabled.07:13
PiRX[lv] hmm, double checked07:13
PiRX[lv] main restricted and universe07:13
gdhyou have universe + multiverse?07:13
PiRX[lv] i have no multiverse07:14
PiRX[lv] just universe07:14
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gdhcan you give some samples of <packagename> ?07:15
PiRX[lv] mysql-doc07:15
PiRX[lv] irssi07:15
gdhhrm, shouldn't be any issues with those.07:15
gdhmind, there is no 'irssi' package.. just 'irssi-text' :)07:15
PiRX[lv] :)07:16
PiRX[lv] ok, irssi-text worked fine for me07:16
PiRX[lv] thnx gdh07:16
gdhno mysql-doc either .. 07:16
gdh'apt-cache search' is your friend :)07:16
PiRX[lv] funny - when i installed mysql-server, apt-get suggested mysql-doc package :)07:17
gdhha :)07:17
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nicservus07:32
skamanhi guys07:32
nichat hier irgendjemand ahnung was acpi angeht?07:32
skamananyone using kdetv & breezy?07:32
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ubuntubonjour  tous07:38
apokryphos!fr07:38
ubotuI guess fr is Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais07:38
ubuntusorry, habit :-)07:39
ubuntuhello07:39
rikva!de07:39
ubotu[de]  #ubuntu-de bitte.07:39
apokryphoshi07:39
ubuntuI have just rebooted from the kubuntu livecd07:39
ubuntuthe  keyboard detection doesn't work as expected, where can I wrote a bugreport ?07:39
apokryphosbugzilla.ubuntu.com07:40
nici've installed kubuntu, how can i look which kernel i have ?07:40
ubuntunic: uname -a07:40
ubuntuunder a xterm07:41
nicLinux nic-nb 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Fri Sep 23 14:13:55 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux07:41
ubuntuapokryphos: thank you07:41
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nicbut which kernel is it?07:41
nicvanilla or what?07:41
ubuntuI don't know what vanilla is07:42
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nicwhich is the standart kernel ?07:42
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twinoatlapokryphos: do you know what is the name of the "keyboard detection detection by typing" package ?07:44
apokryphosnope, sorry07:44
twinoatlthanks07:45
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mcp_dkhey07:57
mcp_dkcan anybody recommend a good program to resize images preferrably multipla images at once07:58
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skamananyone using kdetv & breezy?08:02
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McScrufflo08:04
whoiamI'm compiling my kernel, I can see lot's of CC [M]   fs/lockd/svc4proc.o and LD [M]   fs/lockd/lockd.o lines scrolling on my screen now. what is the LD[M]  and CC[M]  means08:04
McScruffis there a way to use my wireless net card for vmware?08:04
gdhwhoiam: You get lots of CC (compile) then a LD (link) for each section of the kernel...08:05
whoiamgdh: and what is the [M]  thing ?08:05
gdhthe LD links all the previously CC'd bits together to one larger piece.. and then finally all the larger pieces get linked together to form the final kernel image :)08:05
gdhModule, I expect.08:06
whoiamhmm08:07
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hussamI'm trying to clean up my kubuntu system. I found those packages that are not dependancies of other package08:35
hussamare these packages safe to remove? texinfo texi2html python2.4-numarray lapack308:35
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skamanhey guys08:43
skamananybody knows how to let kdetv run?08:43
rikvaskaman: Sorry I can't help you with that, but did you try tvtime?  I recommend it above kdetv08:45
skamani'll try08:46
skamanthnx rikva...kdetv seems to dont work with breezy08:46
rikvaah, np08:46
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skamanneeds some repositoriesthat are uninstallable08:47
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skamantvtime works08:50
skamannow i set it up thnx ;)08:50
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skamanany help how to cfg tvtime?09:15
skamani see video but hear no audio09:15
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skamansolved09:16
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skaman..09:16
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JuanMamonwenas09:27
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nicanybody here who can help me with getting acpi work09:44
kalenedraelI can try.09:45
kalenedraelWhat's the problem?09:45
nicmy system doesn't shut down09:45
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nici tried to add acpi=force to grub, but that doesn't help09:46
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kalenedraelUhm, hmm.09:47
kalenedraelIt doesn't shut down?09:47
nicthe dsdt was recompiled with no failures09:47
kalenedraelThere are certain computers that don't like acpi, period. I have one computer which has never been able to shut down by itself.09:47
nicyes, it doesn't turn off09:47
kalenedraelEven in Windows...09:47
nicin suse it works09:47
kalenedraelAnd three linux distros, with different kernels...09:48
kalenedraelI dunno, then. I suspect it's a problem in the kernel.09:48
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icemanis this the developer channel?09:48
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icemanany coders here with ideas of distributed networking,,09:52
mr_robotoiceman: yes09:53
icemanlooking at doing a set of tools to manage updates in an enterprise setup09:53
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icemanmr_roboto: any idea if anyone is working on something like this?09:53
icemanthe idea is to have a server daemon where the new updates/ or software resides, or is downloaded.09:54
mr_robotoiceman: sorry. no idea. if you're looking for open source, have you searched sourceforge? you mean something generic that will push updates out to clients?09:54
icemanthen i can say for eg push install OO to all clients or a group of clients, thus the client software ensures the software is installed and reports on success09:55
mr_robotonot sure what there is in the open source world. our company uses Novell Zenworks for that purpose09:56
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icemanhmm.. hadn't looked much at that product.09:57
icemanwould anyone be able to help/assit do an opensource ubuntu/kubuntu app?09:58
mr_robotoiceman: you looking to support multiple client platforms?09:58
iceman32/64, alpha, etc.. 09:59
mr_robotowhat about OS though?10:00
icemanit should be simple cause the server app, knows the registered clients and platforms thus apt-gets the coresponding deps when u request an app10:00
mr_robotoso you mean all linux clients?10:00
icemanthen once downloaded, at a convinient time, installs it to the clients10:00
icemanyou can have multiple profiles where updates are automagicaly installed to all clients, and new apps are on damand or push basis10:02
icemanthis would help in the enterprise 10:02
icemanmr_roboto: getting the idea?10:03
mr_robotoiceman: got the idea, just wondering what you intend to support. only linux clients?10:03
icemanlinux clients and servers, ubuntu/kubuntu once only though...10:03
icemanmr_robot: linux clients and servers, ubuntu/kubuntu once only though...10:04
icemanmr_roboto:linux clients and servers, ubuntu/kubuntu ones only though..10:04
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mr_robotoiceman: what does "once only" mean? 10:05
mr_robotoiceman: don't do any updates after getting a new program?10:05
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icemanmr_roboto: well, that will be up to the administrator, the idea is to load a DEB on to the server and have a console (PHP maybe) where you can push install the app to clients, even if theyre off at the time. when they boot, theyll pick it up and notify the user that a new app has been installed or an update10:07
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mr_robotoiceman: sounds like a some kind of wrapper around apt-get that has some policy associated with it10:08
icemanmr_roboto: THATS RIGHT!10:09
mr_robotoiceman: ok, well no idea if it's been done already (in the OSS world i mean)10:09
icemanmr_roboto: dont want anything fancy, it has to use apt for package management, just need to have a central archive store and a policy for installtions10:09
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icemanmr_roboto: do u know if its worthwile and who might be interested?10:10
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mr_robotoiceman: could be useful, don't know if it's been done and don't know who would be interested.   sorry :)10:11
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icemanits ok, just didnt want to redesign the wheel...10:14
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icemanmr_roboto: thanx for the chat ciao10:16
mr_robotoiceman: cya10:17
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dinwathhi everyone10:33
dinwathsomeone knows a way to install cervisia in kubuntu breezy?10:33
mornfalldinwath: tried apt-get install cervisia? :)10:34
mornfalldinwath: or run adept, type in "cervisia" into the quick search box and rightclick on cervisia pack and select install, then preview changes and commit10:35
dinwathmornfall: no, i'm pretty new at debian based distros10:35
dinwathmornfall: i'm using kynaptic, wouuld it work as well?10:36
mornfalldinwath: try adept instead, kynaptic is deprecated ;-)10:36
dinwath:O10:37
dinwathmornfall: uhmm, should I add the universe repository to my apt sources to find cervisia?10:39
mornfalldinwath: it's in universe10:39
mornfalldinwath: if you don't have universe, then yes, you should10:39
mornfall(and no, you can't do that in kynaptic)10:39
mornfalleither text editor on /etc/apt/sources.list or adept10:40
mornfall(or synaptic, but let's forget that for now :-))10:40
dinwathmornfall: yes I'm uncommenting the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list10:40
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dinwathmornfall: ok now it founds cervisia, thanks alot! (And I'm installing adept too :) )10:41
mornfallgood, good :-)10:42
dell500can someone help me, a documents folder i had has gone missing from switching from kde to gnome, and now it's gone10:42
PeerSoftquestion..10:43
PeerSoftto do a dual boot..10:43
mornfalldell500: look into your home10:43
PeerSoftshould I install kubuntu first10:43
mornfalldell500: or just don't use gnome! ;-)10:43
PeerSoftor Windows XP10:43
PeerSoftand make the partitions10:43
mornfallPeerSoft: windows tends to take over bootsector without letting you boot back into linux10:44
PeerSoftso should I install nix first then?10:44
dell500mornfall, it's not there, for some reason it got deleted, i have no idea how though10:44
dell500i didn't do anything with it10:44
_chavoPeerSoft, windows first, then linux10:44
mornfalldell500: deleted? uh-h10:44
dinwathPeerSoft: no install windowsXP and then linux10:45
PeerSoftokay.10:45
PeerSofti should be able to do this w/ ease then10:45
PeerSoftif I get stuck -  get on windows and ask10:45
PeerSoft;x10:45
PeerSoftso i guess ill be back inna jippy?10:45
PeerSoft;x10:45
PeerSoftttyl10:45
mornfalleasy, don't get stuck :-)10:45
dell500mornfall, it just vanished, the other folders i have on my desktop are still there10:45
PeerSoftlol. sure thing10:45
PeerSoftttyl10:45
mornfalldell500: maybe it starts with a dot? tried getting back to kde and looking if it shows it?10:46
dell500mornfall, ya i'm in kde10:46
mornfallokey, that's pretty interesting then :)10:46
mornfallmorale of the story: don't switch to gnome10:47
Jeevananyone know of a good usb microphone that works well in linux?10:47
dinwathmaybe it is in your home under .kde...10:47
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mornfalldinwath: how would it get there?10:47
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dell500is there a new distro of ubuntu out?10:48
mornfalldell500: cd $HOME; find -iname \*significant-part-of-the-name\*10:48
evianI can't get skype to work in ubuntu, although it did work in mandrake with both gnome and KDE. Would it be likely to work in kubuntu?10:48
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dell500what is that suppose to do, find the folder?10:48
mornfallevian: it would be more likely to if it would have worked in ubuntu :)10:48
evianmornfall, heh ok10:48
mornfalldell500: it'll print out everything that has that name10:48
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mornfalldell500: so if the folder has still the same name, it should find it10:49
mornfalldell500: (run it in a konsole, obviously)10:49
dell500ya, it didnt' find it10:49
dell500man, that's so bunk10:49
dell500i have to make a new resume and shit10:49
dell500and copy my paper over again10:50
dell500christ10:50
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teprrrhmm, anyone knows why all gtk menus have black background color with black text? :P10:50
teprrrand breezy is what I've got here10:50
Tm_T:o10:50
mornfallteprrr: gtk2-engine-gtk-qt?10:50
Tm_Tteprrr: n00b! go home! ;--P10:51
mornfall(if yes, get rid of it, it's more of a nuisance than anything else10:51
Tm_T:p10:51
Tm_Tteprrr: yu, try another gtk engine10:52
teprrrmornfall, gtk-qt-engine-0.6 that's what I have.. installed manually10:52
_chavoteprrr, that bug has been fixed, there's a patch out there10:52
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mornfallteprrr: also, get rid of gtk, that'll help you lead a happy life10:52
Tm_Tmornfall: I bet teprrr knows ;)10:52
mornfallteprrr: sounds like the culprit10:52
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teprrrmornfall, hah, I don't have any use of gtk apps actually.. sometimes very rarely I need to use firefox though :P10:53
teprrrand now I want to test if liferea beats shit out off akregator10:54
teprrr_chavo, hmm.10:54
_chavoteprrr, let me see if I can find the patch10:54
teprrrmornfall, culprit?10:54
mornfallteprrr: probably doesn't, but try :)10:54
mornfall|dict culprit10:54
brosioanyone have install a printer ?10:54
duskbotmornfall: wn, gcide, and bouvier responded: wn: culprit n : someone who perpetrates wrongdoing [syn: {perpetrator}] ; bouvier: CULPRIT, crim. law. When a prisoner is arraigned, and he pleads not guilty, in the English practice, the clerk, who arraigns him on behalf of the crown, replies that the prisoner is guilty, and that he is ready to prove the accusation; this is done by two monosyllables, cul (2 more messages)10:54
brosioi could print with10:54
teprrr_chavo, looks like I have newest package from fd.o10:54
brosiocat hello > /dev/usb/lp010:55
_chavoteprrr, the patch is from Suse10:55
brosiobut not with cups10:55
teprrr_chavo, oh. why it hasn't made it into upstream?10:55
teprrr|dict perpetrate10:55
duskbotteprrr: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: perpetrate v : perform an act, usually with a negative connotation; "perpetrate a crime"; "pull a bank robbery" [syn: {commit}, {pull}] ; moby-thes: 27 Moby Thesaurus words for "perpetrate": accomplish, achieve, be responsible for, bring about, bring off, bring to pass, carry out, carry through, commit, do, do to, effect, effectuate, execute, go and do, (2 more messages)10:55
_chavoteprrr, it will10:55
teprrr:)10:55
teprrr_chavo, oh. okay.10:55
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douglasso I've decided that it's not a good idea to use arts in kde when I want to play games, does anyone reccomend not using arts?10:57
mornfall--> film10:57
mornfalllaters10:57
douglasaye10:58
_chavoteprrr, hold on a sec I'll just upload the patch10:58
dell500how do you copy more than one folder to another folder, what's the syntax for like 2 folders10:58
dell500sudo cp ~/blah, ~/blah2  /backup/blah, /backup/blah2 ?10:58
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_chavosudo cp ~/blah /backup/blah && sudo cp ~/blh2 /backup/blah211:00
_chavohas to be 2 commands11:00
dell500kool11:00
dell500that's nice11:00
_chavodell500, when you use "&&" between commands it will only do the second command if the first one finishes succesfully11:01
douglasIs the nforce4 chipset supported by the latest kernel versions?11:01
dinwathdell500: if they are numbered like your example, i suggest "for" bash builtincommand11:01
_chavoyou can also use ; between them11:01
_chavothen it will do the 2nd command even if first one fails11:01
_chavoteprrr, http://2sdw.com/gtk-qt-engine_0.6cvs20050229-9_i386.tar.gz that is the whole Suse source rpm, extracted and tarred. It has the patches inside.11:02
teprrr_chavo, okay. thanks11:02
_chavono problem11:02
teprrr_chavo, colormapless patch or?11:03
dell500what are the flags for recursive and to show what's going on?11:03
_chavothere's 3 patches in there, I just used all 311:03
dell500like -ru ??11:03
teprrrdell500, for which program?11:04
_chavodell500, cp -rv11:04
teprrrdell500, check man <program>11:04
teprrrah, cp..11:04
_chavor is recursive, v is verbose11:04
teprrr_chavo, ah, yes, colormapless patch fixed it.. thanks :)11:05
_chavono problem11:06
_chavoriddell know about the patch, but I don't know why he hasn't added it yet11:06
teprrrmmkay, he's the maintainer of gtk-qt?11:07
dell500thanks11:07
dell500is there another command to show the accual progression of the file being copied, like a progress bar11:08
_chavowell he's maintainer of KDE and I helped him find the patch and confirm it worked11:08
_chavodell500, you could write a script, or just use konq11:08
dell500ok, thanks11:09
_chavobut it would be slow with shell script,11:10
_chavosomeone may have written one though11:10
teprrryup, I know he's a kde developer, but don't know if he has connection to gtk-qt11:10
teprrrbut well, works fine here anyway :)11:10
teprrrI saw some cp script which shows colorful progressbar .)11:11
_chavoyeah I don't know if he's maintainer or just helping out with that11:12
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douglasDoes anyone know of a good setup tutorial for dmix with kubuntu?11:14
brosioanyone print with a HP deskjet ?11:17
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Riddell_chavo: what's that?11:23
_chavo what's what?11:24
Tm_T=)11:24
_chavoOh we were discussing the gtk-qt patch from Suser11:24
Riddell_chavo: the patch is in11:24
Riddellwhat version of gtk2-engines-gtk-qt do you have installed?11:25
Riddellapt-cache policy gtk2-engines-gtk-qt11:25
_chavoteprrr, was building from source, and I was pointing it out to him11:25
teprrr0.6 had I, and it didn't work11:25
teprrrfrom fd.o directly11:25
_chavoI build my own also11:25
Riddellteprrr: 0.60-1ubuntu5 in breezy has the patch11:26
Riddelland I opened a report on their bugzilla11:26
Riddellbut no response11:26
teprrrwell, I patched it already and it works now :911:26
teprrrbut thanks, I'll be start using kubuntu kde when 3.5 gets released :)11:27
_chavodoesn't look like gtk-qt engine has been very active11:27
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dinwathgoodbye ttto all, thank for the help! cya!11:35
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nichi11:49
niccan anybody help me with acpi11:49
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