[12:11] <Sepheebear> potsdam, ny? maybe a cow fell on it
[12:16] <jdong> hey guys, what's going on with ubuntu-artwork and the start page?
[12:16] <jmg> hmm i dont think ipython is working as it should
[12:16] <jmg> %run doesnt conserve namespace
[12:21] <doko> infinity, lamont-away: please could you have a look why fakeroot did fail on the i386 buildd?
[12:23] <crimsun> jdong, "the start page"?
[12:23] <crimsun> jdong, if you're referring to firefox's start page, that's just a desync. It'll be fixed in firefox soon enough.
[12:24] <jdong> crimsun: that's what I meant. Thanks for letting me know
[12:26] <jmg> can anyone confirm ipython issues?
[12:36] <bddebian> Heya
[01:03] <desrt> jdub; http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ ?  you must be kidding me.
[01:10] <jdong> desrt: lol, such a waste of time.... :)
[01:12] <desrt> jdong; ya.  that's what i said :)
[01:21] <jdong> lol http://www.opensuse.org/ opensuse servers hacked
[01:32] <bddebian> Heh
[01:32] <jdong> kinda sucks for them, since they're flagship Apparmor apparently failed in this case :)
[01:32] <ajmitch> jmg: placed your kvpnc patch in debian/patches, since it's using cdbs & simple-patchsys already
[02:26] <martinhj> I'm getting a error about usplash-artwork.so when I'm trying to ubdate my initramfs
[02:26] <martinhj> no such file...
[02:26] <Nafallo> martinhj: please update to the latest usplash (-19)
[02:27] <martinhj> Nafallo: ah, I thought I had (was in the same update as the kernel), but maybe apt updated the kernel first
[02:27] <martinhj> sorry:-)
[02:27] <Nafallo> no problem
[02:27] <Nafallo> that version hit the archive today ;-)
[02:28] <martinhj> Nafallo: hmm, I got -19, but I still got the problem..
[02:29] <Nafallo> hmm, damn. that means the fix didn't work I guess :-/
[02:29] <martinhj> but the file is there..
[02:29] <martinhj> (/usr/lib/usplash/.../
[02:29] <Nafallo> what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so say?
[02:30] <Nafallo> /usr/lib or /usr/share
[02:30] <martinhj> it's a dead link
[02:30] <Nafallo> /usr/share then
[02:31] <martinhj> there is no /usr/share/usplash directory
[02:31] <Nafallo> that's very correct
[02:32] <Nafallo> infinity: ping
[02:32] <Nafallo> I can see why the bug is still there ;-)
[02:32] <martinhj> but /etc/alternativses/usplash-artwork points there
[02:33] <martinhj> any more you want me to check out, let me know
[02:33] <Nafallo> I know what the bug is. it's another typo... this will be fix as soon as I find an alive main-uploader :-)
[02:33] <crimsun> ajmitch should be alive
[02:34] <Nafallo> yea, asking him on motu :-)
[02:34] <ajmitch> I can't upload to main
[02:35] <Nafallo> dang
[02:35] <ajmitch> yes, but I can't do anything about it :)
[02:40] <martinhj> is it possible for iFolder to be included in universe for later versions of Ubuntu,or is it problems with the license?
[02:40] <martinhj> seems at least interesting
[02:41] <ajmitch> still license issue at the moment, which are getting sorted
[02:41] <ajmitch> so hopefully for dapper
[02:42] <martinhj> what is the issue?
[02:42] <ajmitch> libflaim
[02:45] <martinhj> I'll look it up...
[02:46] <Nafallo> so, this is bugzilla 16794 for any awake main-uploader ;-)
[03:46] <mirak> is there lvm support in the initrd of ubuntu ?
[03:47] <jdong> mirak: yes
[04:34] <slomo_> jdong: are you now a regular irc user? ;)
[05:05] <backports-r-us> are any devs awake here? ;)
[05:06] <backports-r-us> I've got some acpi issues to report :)
[05:06] <bob2> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:07] <backports-r-us> k, I'll use bugzilla instead
[05:13] <backports-r-us> k; filed #16799
[05:14] <bob2> that could probably do with model numbers
[05:14] <bob2> and kernel versions
[05:15] <bob2> and what happens when you run 'xset dpms force on' normally
[05:16] <backports-r-us> bob2: absolutely nothing :)
[05:16] <bob2> and force off?
[05:16] <bob2> and the other things?
[05:16] <backports-r-us> bob2: force off doesn't work either
[05:17] <backports-r-us> bob2: when the lid closes, the BIOS kicks in and shuts off the screen, but nothing revives it short of vbetool
[05:17] <bob2> then you need to include the bios version, too
[05:17] <bob2> filing bugs without any specific detail just means someone has to chase you down later to get it
[05:18] <mjg59> Your BIOS is shit
[05:18] <mjg59> Buy a better laptop
[05:18] <mjg59> Or scream at your vendor until they fix it
[05:18] <backports-r-us> mjg59: I've noticed that... it's a free laptop... I get what I pay for
[05:18] <backports-r-us> mjg59: but what's the hurt in using vbetool instead of xset?
[05:18] <mjg59> If nothing short of vbetool post gets the video back, there's no way we can fix it
[05:18] <mjg59> It screws up various machines
[05:19] <backports-r-us> mjg59: oh, ok. nvm then
[05:19] <backports-r-us> mjg59: I'll just work around locally :)
[05:19] <mjg59> (Less shit machines)
[05:19] <backports-r-us> feel free to mark it invalid :)
[05:19] <mjg59> You can work around it by dropping something in /etc/acpi/local/lid.post or something like that
[05:19] <backports-r-us> mjg59: yep; already did :)
[05:20] <backports-r-us> well, good night everyone
[05:25] <jdong> slomo_: I keep gaim logged into IRC :)
[05:25] <jdong> slomo_: after a dev yelled at me throught the list about IRC :)
[06:10] <segfault> who is taking care of integrating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTranslations?
[07:00] <moyogo> hi, anybody here?
[07:07] <bob2> moyogo: best to just ask your development-related question right up
[07:10] <moyogo> bob2: i don't know if this is the right place
[07:10] <bob2> meta-questions consume more time than just asking it to begin with
[07:11] <moyogo> i'd like to know if it's possible to contribute to the ubuntu title font made by canonical?
[07:32] <crimsun> does apache on {us.}archive.u.c need to be poked?
[07:32] <crimsun> err, desrt already asked.
[07:33] <desrt> :)
[07:33] <desrt> i love how there are all these separate channels and everyone is still in all of them :)
[07:37] <infinity> Hrm, maybe someone really did down apache on both hosts at the same time.
[07:37] <infinity> Weird.
[07:37] <desrt> so the question is -- do they know what they're doing and are in the process of fixing it?
[08:03] <robitaille> interesting.  It was exactly 1 week ago the last time the repos were down.  Must be a Saturday night thing for the server...
[08:05] <infinity> Actually, checking the date and time, it looks like a cron.weekly tihng.
[08:06] <infinity> Which would explain how two machines got taken out at the same time.
[08:07] <robitaille> ubuntu... a very regular and on time distro; even for our server outages :)
[08:10] <fabbione> infinity: did you send an sms to elmo/znarl?
[08:10] <infinity> On it.
[08:10] <fabbione> ok
[08:10] <fabbione> pointless to bomb them together
[08:12] <desrt> mmm
[08:12] <desrt> this fresh breezy install on my laptop is blissfully good
[08:12] <infinity> Really?
[08:13] <infinity> That's kinda nice to hear.
[08:13] <fabbione> infinity: don't you trust your own capabilities? ;)
[08:13] <desrt> don't get your hopes up boy.  it picked the wrong paper size!
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[08:13] <fabbione> desrt: of course it did pick the right one.. for the wronf country
[08:13] <desrt> now i have to find somewhere that sells A4 so i can fill my printer with it
[08:14] <infinity> fabbione : As we near release and I look at the bug lists (as well as pet bugs/issues), I always fear we won't get enough stuff fixed in time.  I'm mostly just paranoid, I think, though.
[08:14] <desrt> infinity; we all feel this way
[08:14] <desrt> actually
[08:14] <desrt> i feel more like (a) i'll miss something
[08:14] <desrt> or (b) one of my fixes will introduce a regression that isn't caught until it's too late
[08:14] <fabbione> infinity: the opposite.. we have only 230 Maj bugs.. spreaded over 3 releases.. it's not bad at all
[08:15] <fabbione> infinity: in proportion we had more for hoary
[08:15] <infinity> desrt : Both will happen.  Guaranteed.  The only upshot is that with 6-month release cycles, you don't have to live with it for very long.
[08:15] <fabbione> + i am sure tons of these have been fixed.. but bugs never closed
[08:15] <desrt> infinity; 6 months seems like a long time
[08:15] <desrt> where is that daniel h fellow!
[08:15] <infinity> desrt : Not nearly as long as I had to live with my boneheaded mistakes in Woody.
[08:15] <fabbione> infinity: what was that??
[08:16] <infinity> Oh, just small things here and there, but they all added up to extreme rsutration when I'd keep getting the same bugs over and over again. :)
[08:16] <fabbione> archive is up again
[08:16] <infinity> Especially when none of them were particularly important enough to justify a proposed-updates upload, just annoying enough to generate bug reports.
[08:17] <fabbione> yeah
[08:18] <fabbione> it looks to me like it's only apache2 that dies
[08:23] <desrt> YES!  floss!
[08:26] <infinity> fabbione : It's probably not restarting properly after cron.daily/logrotate, is my guess.
[08:26] <crimsun> cron.weekly?
[08:27] <infinity> It was about the right time for cron.weekly, but cron.daily/logrotate/apache2 also tends to be in sync with cron.weekly.
[08:27] <infinity> So, pick one.
[08:28] <crimsun> hmm, true
[08:29] <infinity> Unfortunately, archive.ubuntu.com is running not-terribly-well-tested packages of apache 2.1.3 (for LFS support), so they may be a bit dodgy, compared to the apache 2.0.54 packages in the archive.
[08:37] <crimsun> infinity: Nafallo has probably bugged you already about this, but /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so is a dangling symlink in -19
[08:37] <infinity> Er... WTF.
[08:38] <infinity> crimsun : What to?
[08:38] <crimsun> /usr/share/usplash/usplash-default.so
[08:39] <infinity> Oh, I suck so much it hurts.
[08:39] <infinity> Bad copy and paste, BAD.
[08:39] <infinity> crimsun : I assume it's only dangling for people it was already dangling for, I didn't break it more, right? :)
[08:40] <crimsun> infinity: I can't say; I've been suspending and resuming for a few days now :)
[08:40] <fabbione> infinity: possibly.. yeah
[08:41] <infinity> Fix uploaded.  Meh.
[08:43] <crimsun> infinity: awesome, thanks :)
[10:22] <jdub> wow, holy crap
[10:22] <jdub> lots of referers from distrowatch for the fridge
[10:22] <jdub> like
[10:22] <jdub> *LOTS*
[10:22] <crimsun> I finally read that CNet article
[10:36] <fabbione> jdub: can you do me a favour on the fly?
[10:37] <jdub> i don't tend to sit on insects
[10:37] <fabbione> ehehhe
[10:37] <jdub> but i can do you a favour :-)
[10:37] <fabbione> svn co svn://openmosix.snarc.org/om/userspace/trunk <- can you stick it in a tarball somewhere on people?
[10:37] <fabbione> it seems i can't connect to it
[10:37] <fabbione> perhaps you can
[10:37] <jdub> you can't connect to people?
[10:37] <fabbione> no, i can't connect to that svn server
[10:38] <jdub> oh
[10:38] <fabbione> but i can connect to people
[10:38] <fabbione> so if you can do the checkout and pushit on people that'd be great
[10:38] <jdub> (wow, i have svn on my laptop)
[10:38] <jdub> oh, yeah, it's coming down
[10:38] <fabbione> thanks
[10:39] <jdub> fabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/random/om-userspace-trunk.tar.bz2
[10:39] <fabbione> jdub: thanks!
[10:41] <sivang> morning all!
[10:41] <poningru> whats the link to malon?
[10:41] <poningru> err +e
[10:41] <jdub> poningru: launchpad.net, click on bugs
[10:41] <\sh> launchpad.net
[10:43] <poningru> thanks
[10:51] <mdke> jdub, overnight another day's worth of email have come onto the -doc archive, looks like it is just keeping 3 days behind
[10:51] <jdub> intriguing
[10:51] <jdub> thanks
[10:52] <mdke> last emails on all the archives I've just checked stop at about 10.30 CDT on Thu Sep 29 2005
[10:53] <\sh> harhar...."sabdfl is your title" "oh noohoononono" ,-)
[10:54] <\sh> jdub: nice interview :)
[10:54] <jdub> ;-)
[10:56] <Mirv> when are those translations at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTranslations to be integrated? (just wondering as the deadline for those was on Friday)
[10:56] <\sh> and for jdub, just exclusivley: "Ubuntu is the one that I want" 
[10:56] <\sh> to the sound of Olivia Newton-John
[10:57] <zyga> hello
[10:57] <zyga> I'm doing a hoary->breezy upgrade at the moment
[10:57] <zyga> and I've noticed something strange regarding liboil
[10:59] <sivang> jdub: that's outstanding 
[11:00] <ajmitch> jdub: it's great that you got to talk about the MOTUs a bit :)
[11:02] <zyga> I've got many warnings regarding some illegal instructions in gstreamer packages
[11:02] <zyga> does anyone know what that's all about/
[11:06] <crimsun> zyga: what sort? Could you paste on paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[11:07] <mdke> is the breezy universe security repo working?
[11:07] <mdke> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-security_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:08] <zyga> crimsun: unfortunatly I did not tee the dist-upgrade ....
[11:09] <zyga> crimsun: is apt-get keeping any logs?
[11:09] <crimsun> zyga: no, but aptitude does
[11:09] <zyga> eh
[11:10] <zyga> I could reinstall hoary and try again
[11:10] <zyga> crimsun: I'm sure it was about liboil0.*
[11:11] <zyga> crimsun: I'm doing the upgrade on an old pentium 2 laptop
[11:11] <zyga> maybe it does not have required instructions?
[11:11] <zyga> like sse
[11:11] <crimsun> I'm thinking of something different, I believe.
[11:13] <zyga> yes?
[11:15] <zyga> like?
[11:18] <crimsun> it's an ffmpeg issue, and it's totally unrelated.
[11:20] <dholbach> hi
[11:34] <mdke> art.ubuntu.com is down
[11:55] <sivang> hey dholbach 
[11:55] <sivang> dholbach: 'sup ?
[11:55] <dholbach> hey sivang ... just listening to jdub's interview
[11:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: you're mentioned closer to the end :)
[11:57] <dholbach> yeah.... just heard it :)))
[11:58] <sivang> dholbach: good for you :)
[11:58] <\sh> hmm..."there is daniel holbac" ,-)
[11:59] <\sh> dholbach: u will like the interview ;) 
[12:00] <dholbach> yeah... "dholback" is my favourite nick name :-p
[12:00] <\sh> dholbach: hehe...yeah...just like mine "hrman" ,-) "hermann" ;)
[12:01] <dholbach> haha :)
[12:02] <\sh> there was a running gag in 2001 when I was in US at RH HQ..."what's your email?" "shermann@redhat.com" "like the tank?" "no, with double n at the end of the username"
[12:02] <sivang> \sh: you worked for red hat?
[12:02] <\sh> they didn't understand that
[12:02] <\sh> sivang: yes
[12:03] <sivang> \sh: wow nice, under what position ?
[12:03] <\sh> sivang: web engineering/development and web marketing manager EMEA
[12:05] <\sh> sivang: and yes, it was one of my worst experiences in my work life
[12:07] <sivang> \sh: oh, why so? I would reckon it would be interesting/nice working for them no?
[12:07] <pef> hello
[12:08] <pef> does cdrdao scanbus works for you ? I have Device or resource busy errors
[12:08] <\sh> sivang: the most interesting work was done in distro development...and we were only responsible for the *censored* rh europe online shop...and had to fight with *censored* marketing bosses who didn't have a clue
[12:09] <\sh> sivang: and rh europe is quite different from rh us 
[12:11] <sivang> \sh: I see. I regret to here that, hope you don't carry on too much with you from ther e:)
[12:13] <\sh> sivang: it's a nice name on my CV...but nothing more...and there are some good people I would like to see to work for ubuntu, harald hoyer is one of them
[12:15] <mdke> headhunt them!
[12:16] <\sh> mdke: hahaha....no..I can't do that...I don't have the money to pay them ;)
[12:16] <mdke> kidnap them!
[12:16] <sivang> \sh: who's he?
[12:16] <ajmitch> \sh: work harder & then pay them! :)
[12:17] <\sh> sivang: http://people.redhat.com/~harald/
[12:17] <\sh> ajmitch: bah....isn't it enough that you want me to fix universe? ,-)
[12:18] <sivang> \sh: nice, did you get to knoe Michael K. Johnson ?
[12:18] <ajmitch> \sh: oh. you mean it's not fixed yet?
[12:18] <sivang> \sh: (I have his book, a very good piece, I also got to talk to him on IRC sometime ago, he's a canon and very nice as well)
[12:19] <\sh> sivang: not that I know of..
[12:19] <ajmitch> reminds me, I should see if I can get madduck's book in NZ yet :)
[12:19] <\sh> sivang: but for books...I can give u the advise to read "under the radar" from Robert 'Bob' Young..
[12:19] <sivang> \sh: sure, send me a link 
[12:20] <\sh> sivang: are u at ubz?
[12:20] <\sh> sivang: I can give u mine...it has a personal signature of him in it..
[12:20] <ajmitch> \sh: nice :)
[12:21] <\sh> sivang: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1576105067/qid=1128248479/sr=8-8/ref=pd_bbs_8/102-0247898-9876161?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
[12:22] <sivang> \sh: nice
[12:22] <ajmitch> \sh: got any other copies? :)
[12:22] <\sh> ajmitch: no only this one :)
[12:23] <ajmitch> oh well :)
[12:23] <sivang> \sh: well, you can give it to ajmitch :-) I'm currently more interested in reading technical books, until I feel satisifed with my current knowledge ;-)
[12:23] <sivang> \sh: the MKJ book is this http://www.ladweb.net
[12:24] <ajmitch> sivang: no I couldn't take the book off you, \sh offered it to you
[12:24] <\sh> sivang: it's not technical..it's more "how bob young managed to create the RedHat Hype" ,-)
[12:24] <sivang> \sh: hmm, then maybe we should all read toi know how to become more strong ubuntu evangelists :)
[12:24] <ajmitch> just emulate jdub 
[12:24] <sivang> right 
[12:24] <\sh> oh well...then I'm jdub2 ,->
[12:24] <sivang> he's really good at it
[12:24] <ajmitch> \sh: scary thought
[12:25] <sivang> LOL
[12:25] <jdub2> "and we have sabdfl"..."So it's your title?" "oh nohohonononhohonono"
[12:25] <dholbach> haha
[12:25] <ajmitch> heh :)
[12:26] <\sh> dholbach: this is the funniest part in the interview..
[12:26] <ajmitch> \sh: certainly
[12:27] <sivang> LOL
[12:28] <\sh> dholbach: actually I managed to evangelise finally 6 people in our company to work only with ubuntu :) and one of them has 2 laptops running with ubuntu ;)
[12:28] <dholbach> wow
[12:28] <dholbach> when will they start in the MOTU crew? :)
[12:28] <\sh> dholbach: even our "I love suse" colleague has ubuntu running now on his laptop and on one of his servers
[12:28] <ajmitch> there's not even 6 people in the company I work in
[12:29] <ajmitch> but I handed one a hoary cd set on friday
[12:29] <ajmitch> and possibly ubuntu on the new server :)
[12:29] <highvoltage> anyone know if elmo is around? i forgot the name of the server i need to log into to upload the edubuntu html files.
[12:30] <\sh> but I'll pre-ordered now 300 breezy cds and 100 I will put in each mailbox in our company :)
[12:31] <\sh> and...now it's a secret, I'm normally not allowed to share it with you...but I think it's worth it to share this with you (hello google ;)))
[12:31] <sivang> \sh: I managed to pull our Japan representative into Ubuntu, 3 sales person that are now using it to display demos, antoher chinesse representative, and all of the customers of my cousing in NYC :)
[12:32] <\sh> "Unity Media (aka ISH + IESY), the 2. biggest cable provider in germany, is running ubuntu on 6 DNS Servers
[12:33] <\sh> hmmm..lets wait for next week if I get my pink slip ;)
[12:33] <sivang> \sh: you're trying to let google cache this chat ? :)
[12:33] <sivang> \sh: pink slip? 
[12:33] <\sh> sivang: the logs you can find on google ;)
[12:34] <\sh> sivang: the firing papers...
[12:35] <sivang> \sh: why are you burning papers ? :)
[12:36] <ajmitch> hah
[12:36] <\sh> sivang: eeks
[12:36] <ajmitch> \sh: you convinced them to change? :)
[12:37] <\sh> ajmitch: yepp
[12:37] <ajmitch> \sh: good work :)
[12:37] <\sh> ajmitch: we throw out 6 sun R280s with solaris 8
[12:37] <sivang> ah now I get it :)
[12:37] <mirak> hi
[12:37] <sivang> \sh: don't worry, they will only thank you for releaseing them for the hell of solaris :)
[12:37] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm working now on the adventure "replacment of our webservers" 
[12:38] <sivang> hey mirak 
[12:38] <ajmitch> \sh: that'll be a good challenge
[12:38] <sivang> \sh: you should do a reality show about tht
[12:38] <mirak> I asked about LVM in #ubuntu but got no answer, so I ask here, can I ?
[12:38] <mirak> does ubuntu initrd have LVM support ?
[12:38] <\sh> sivang: ah well..I asked for permission..but PR and Marketing are not so convienced of the idea to release this...
[12:39] <\sh> but I'm a bad guy...
[12:39] <ajmitch> mirak: yes, and it has since hoary
[12:39] <mirak> ajmitch: so I have some troubles booting my LVM install
[12:39] <ajmitch> \sh: very naughty indeed
[12:40] <\sh> ajmitch: I would name it "jdub in germany" ,-)
[12:40] <\sh> ajmitch: I just wait for the moment, when I'm sitting on a chair in a public place with dropped pants and speaking about ubuntu ,-)
[12:40] <sivang> \sh: don't worry, when we'll meet in UBZ, I'll tell you what I did for Ubuntu, which is really starting to touch the burning papaers :-))
[12:41] <\sh> sivang: so I'll take the book with me :)
[12:41] <mirak> when choosing the root device for the kernel, should I use /dev/mapper/volume1-linux or the symlink that goes to it should be ok ?
[12:44] <terrex> in my laptop, when I unplug the ac-line and goes to battery, 2 or 3 minutes later, the laptop "hangs" and I must to power-off extracting the battery. With hoary kernel this didn't occur. Anybody know why?
[12:45] <hunger> mirak: I can't find dmsetup in /usr/share/initramfs-tools, so my guess is that / on lvm is not supported.
[12:45] <mirak> hunger: crap ! :/
[12:45] <mdke> terrex, file a major bug in bugzilla
[12:46] <mdke> terrex, against acpi-support
[12:46] <hunger> mirak: I have not bothered with the initrd setup so far, so I might be wrong.
[12:46] <terrex> ok thanks
[12:46] <mdke> terrex, it sounds like a kernel bug but if you file it against acpi-support, the right person will see it
[12:46] <ajmitch> hunger: / on lvm is supported as long as you have a separate /boot
[12:47] <mirak> hunger: is there a way I can know it could work ?
[12:47] <ajmitch> at least with grub
[12:47] <ajmitch> you can have a fully lvm setup with lilo
[12:47] <mirak> ajmitch: I have a separate /boot
[12:47] <ajmitch> mirak: then it should work
[12:47] <hunger> ajmitch: It is? Cool;-)
[12:47] <ajmitch> since that's how my laptop has been for several months :)
[12:47] <mirak> ajmitch: well it failed to find my /dev/volume1/linux
[12:47] <hunger> ajmitch: Any idea whether crypted disks are supported as well?
[12:48] <ajmitch> hunger: possibly, I can't recall if cryptroot is 
[12:48] <mirak> ajmitch: is there something to configure abou lvm ?
[12:48] <ajmitch> mirak: so try the /dev/mapper/lv-name syntax instead
[12:48] <hunger> mirak: Have you tried using /dev/mapper/volume-linux?
[12:48] <mirak> ajmitch: ok
[12:48] <mirak> hunger: no
[12:48] <mirak> I will try that
[12:49] <ajmitch> these questions are more for #ubuntu, really :)
[12:49] <mirak> ajmitch: nobody answers
[12:49] <mirak> they are incompetent
[12:49] <mirak> :p
[12:49] <ajmitch> heh
[12:49] <hunger> ajmitch: My root is unencrypted... but my swap is, so hibernation is broken for me.
[12:49] <mirak> ho we got a winer !
[12:49] <ajmitch> mirak: you asked that before, but you didnt' try it? :)
[12:49] <mirak> ajmitch: I am tired of rebooting :p
[12:51] <sivang> \sh: cool :)
[12:59] <pitti> Hi
[01:02] <ajmitch> hey pitti 
[01:02] <ajmitch> how are you?
[01:03] <pitti> hi ajmitch 
[01:03] <pitti> ajmitch: fine, thanks!
[01:04] <ajmitch> good :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> had a quiet weekend?
[01:04] <dholbach> it's still weekend in germany
[01:05] <dholbach> even a long one :)
[01:05] <sivang> hey pitti  !
[01:05] <ajmitch> dholbach: lucky for some, I've got work in 9 hours ;)
[01:14] <ajmitch> ok, sleep time
[01:14] <ajmitch> see you all tomorrow
[01:14] <sivang> ajmitch: good night
[01:14] <dholbach> see you andrew
[01:15] <sivang> laterz
[01:18] <hunger> I guess it is not ok to copy config files from /etc/ into the initrd, is it?
[01:42] <doko> Kamion, if you're still around, please could you process eclipse from NEW, if necessary?
[01:44] <mirak> I fixed my problem with LVM
[01:44] <mirak> the issue was /dev/mapper/volume1-linux wich doesn't have a symlink at boot time
[01:48] <spayne> what is up with lists.ubuntu.com?
[02:17] <spayne> after the latest usplash upgrade, i no longer have a splash screen on boot
[02:17] <spayne> is this a known bug?
[02:18] <mjg59> spayne: Upgrade again
[02:19] <spayne> i just did five minutes ago
[02:19] <spayne> mjg59: do you know what is up with lists.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <mjg59> spayne: ?
[02:19] <mjg59> It's delivering mail fine
[02:19] <spayne> mjg59: on the archives, there is nothing for October
[02:19] <fabbione> Keybuk: ping?
[02:20] <mjg59> There's no archives since the 29th
[02:20] <mjg59> So, at a guess, the archiver has fallen over
[02:21] <Keybuk> fabbione: 'sup?
[02:21] <mjg59> Beyond that, no, I have no idea. I'm afraid I'm not a source of secret knowledge.
[02:21] <fabbione> Keybuk, yo.. i did review the connection code again
[02:21] <fabbione> actually.. while i was painting the roof
[02:21] <jdub> DO IT AGAIN!
[02:21] <jdub> :-)
[02:21] <Keybuk> fabbione: yup, I put in the loop you suggested
[02:22] <fabbione> Keybuk, you must put the loop
[02:22] <fabbione> there are other reasons why you want to re-iterate
[02:22] <fabbione> like multiple servers
[02:22] <fabbione> but one of them isn't providing the service
[02:22] <Keybuk> yeah, or an AAAA and A address and fallback, etc.
[02:22] <fabbione> connect would fail
[02:22] <fabbione> exactly
[02:23] <jdub> jamesh: ping
[02:23] <tseng> jdong: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/mono/+bug/2597 do you have any idea where these came from?
[02:24] <fabbione> i am off...
[02:24] <fabbione> cya guys
[02:50] <jdub> Riddell: around?
[03:08] <dholbach> jdub: nice interview :)
[03:08] <dholbach> jdub: and thanks for the flowers :)
[03:08] <jdub> :-)
[03:08] <ivoks> jdub: i have one success story for planet :)
[03:08] <tseng> jdub: that show is really boring if you download the wrong one
[03:09] <tseng> jdub: and you arent on it
[03:09] <jdub> heh
[03:09] <Riddell> jdub: hi
[03:10] <ivoks> dholbach: what interview? :)
[03:10] <tseng> ivoks: fridge.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <jdub> should the current qt3-mt package 'provides' the one it replaces?
[03:10] <ivoks> ah, fridge :)
[03:10] <tseng> ivoks: refresh for my pony
[03:10] <jdub> Riddell: skype (ugh) requires the old package name, but works with the new one
[03:11] <jdub> (serious distrowatch linkage coming in to fridge atm)
[03:11] <tseng> i hope they like ponies
[03:11] <Riddell> jdub: which old package name?
[03:11] <jdub> Riddell: libqt3c102-mt
[03:12] <tseng> libqt3-mt-bogglewoo102
[03:12] <tseng> or that
[03:12] <jdub> heh
[03:12] <jsgotangco> ahhh oktoberfest...
[03:12] <tseng> -mt-mysql shares a similar fate
[03:12] <jdub> libqt3cplusplusisspecialyo102-mt
[03:12] <jsgotangco> jdub: pony?
[03:12] <Riddell> jdub: hmm, is there a way to get round that?
[03:12] <jdub> jsgotangco: have you seen him?
[03:13] <jdub> Riddell: Provides: libqt3c102-mt
[03:13] <jdub> if it's acutally compatible
[03:13] <jdub> but running skype seems to work
[03:13] <jdub> it's just hideously slow and ugly
[03:13] <jdub> well, once it appears it's okay, but it takes a looooong time to appear
[03:14] <Riddell> jdub: won't that break things that break with libqt3c102-mt?
[03:14] <jdub> but it certainly seems to be happily linking to qt3
[03:14] <jdub> Riddell: if there's an abi change between libqt3c102-mt and libqt3-mt, then it would be silly to add a Provides
[03:14] <jdub> but whatever skype uses, it works okay
[03:19] <azeem> jsgotangco: oktoberfest?
[03:19] <j^> maybe its possible to ask them to change it to libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) | libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> azeem: yeah i
[03:19] <jsgotangco> azeem: lots of beer
[03:20] <azeem> jsgotangco: you are ircing from the oktoberfest? :)
[03:23] <tseng> jdub: haha i caught you
[03:23] <tseng> jdub: GOOD MORNING SKYPE LOVERS
[03:24] <jdub> ;-)
[03:27] <jdong> tseng: looking into it.... kina suspicious without ~ubp trailers though
[03:29] <bddebian> Morning
[03:34] <jdong> against my better judgement, I shall recompile my firefox with crazy CFLAGS
[03:37] <slomo_> jdong: why?
[03:39] <Kamion> doko: please ask elmo; this isn't my primary responsibility and I have a ton of stuff to do before the freeze for RC, at the weekend even
[03:40] <bddebian> Do we have any good info on the whole X11 include/lib dirs ?
[03:41] <infinity> jdub, Riddell : if anyone changes libqt3-mt to provide libqt3c102-mt, I will smack them very hard.  The package definitely had an ABI change. :)
[03:41] <bddebian> Heh
[03:42] <infinity> jdub : Asking skype to compile a package with g++-4.0 for Debian/sid and Ubuntu/breezy would be the Right Thing.
[03:42] <jdub> infinity: hmm, i guess they'll do that soon enough
[03:43] <jdong> slomo_: trying to get Breezy firefox to match SuSE firefox speed
[03:44] <jdong> slomo_: currently we are 3.5 times slower
[03:44] <slomo_> wtf
[03:44] <jdong> slomo_: interestingly, Epiphany is unaffected by the slowdown
[03:45] <jdong> hmm, what were those CFLAGS that turned on sse/sse2....
[03:45] <jdong> -msse/-msse2 :)
[03:45] <`anthony> jdong: --pretend-that-youre-opera-not-firefox
[03:45] <jdong> `anthony: lmao
[03:46] <jdong> are there any cool new optimization flags with GCC 4
[03:46] <`anthony> jdong: check the gentoo lists *ducks*
[03:47] <dholbach> :)
[03:47] <jdong> `anthony: at gentoo forums now :)
[03:47] <`anthony> glad it's you and not me ;)
[03:47] <`anthony> why not grab the suse source package and see what flags they use?
[03:49] <`anthony> or is that cheating?
[03:49] <desrt> dholbach; patch?
[03:49] <jdong> `anthony: it looks like just -march optimizations
[03:49] <infinity> jdong : Our buildds already -mtune=pentium4 -march=i486
[03:49] <dholbach> desrt: i tried it and it still behaves the same
[03:49] <desrt> i hate me
[03:49] <dholbach> desrt: i told mvo to check it
[03:49] <infinity> jdong : We can't get much better than that and maintain compatibility.
[03:49] <desrt> no no no.. that's not right.. it's:
[03:49] <desrt> you make me hate me
[03:50] <jdong> infinity: Two possibilities here: (1) -march=486 is not aggressive enough, or (2) pentium4 causes regressions on K8
[03:50] <dholbach> oh come on... everybody loves you
[03:50] <desrt> dholbach; k... so i think it's interaction with the other bug
[03:50] <desrt> dholbach; which i still don't understand for shit
[03:50] <dholbach> L A O L A   for  desrt !!!     come one! :)
[03:50] <desrt> dholbach; O_o
[03:50] <dholbach> YAAAY! :)
[03:50] <desrt> heh.
[03:50] <infinity> jdong : Are you sure the slowdown isn't due to things we link to?  (ie: Is SuSE using gtk 2.8 and cairo?)
[03:50] <desrt> dholbach; here's the story
[03:50] <jdong> infinity: I'm _quite_ sure that SuSE 10.0 would be using GTK 2.8, but maybe not cairo
[03:51] <`anthony> maybe just email whoever packaged the suse version and ask them?
[03:51] <desrt> dholbach; today i'm doing an installfest... hopefully someone's laptop starts acting up
[03:51] <Mithrandir> or look at the SRPM?
[03:51] <jdong> infinity: isn't cairo theoretically supposed to improve render speeds via hardware accel?
[03:51] <dholbach> desrt: excellent
[03:51] <infinity> jdong : In time.  Currently, it slows things down a bit (though not enough that most people should care)
[03:51] <`anthony> do other gtk apps have the same speedup?
[03:51] <jdong> how about I ask you guys: Why's epiphany 2x faster than Firefox, if they use the same Gecko engine?
[03:52] <`anthony> 2x faster for what?
[03:52] <jdub> ... and how did you measure?
[03:52] <jdong> scragz rendering test; confirmable by day-to-day experience
[03:52] <jdong> http://scragz.com/tech/mozilla/test-rendering-time.php
[03:52] <`anthony> they using the same compiled code (same shared libs &c?)
[03:53] <jdong> `anthony: why else would epiphany have dependencies on firefox?
[03:53] <jdong> bugzilla #15534, btw
[03:53] <jdub> jdong: GTK+ 2.8 requires cairo; there's no hw accel underneath atm
[03:54] <jdong> jdub: k, that clears up the Cairo bit, but at the same time frees SuSE of guilt
[03:54] <jdong> for the record, mozilla.org's binaries ALL match SuSE's speeds... It's something wacky with our firefox  package
[03:55] <jdong> Kinda wacky, but GCC4 regression? *ducks
[03:55] <Kamion> or local patches
[03:55] <`anthony> try rebuilding with older gcc?
[03:55] <jdub> what are opensuse using?
[03:55] <jdong> Hmm, Opensuse using GCC 4.0.2 CVS
[03:55] <jdong> I suspect local patches
[03:56] <jdong> Are all "our" patches within debian/patches?
[03:56] <infinity> No.  firefox doesn't use a patch system.
[03:56] <jdong> i.e. if I get ticked and reverse them all, am I back at official sources?
[03:56] <infinity> You get to dig through the debdiff.
[03:56] <jdong> k
[03:57] <jdong> is GCC 3.4 binary-compatible with GCC4?
[03:57] <shackan> any idea why one can't use KDE progs (like amarok) in gnome ?
[03:57] <infinity> In theory, the output of both compilers should be ABI compatible.
[03:57] <jdong> shackan: you cant?
[03:57] <jdong> shackan: it's a PITA, but certainly not impossible
[03:58] <jdub> it's a PITA?
[03:58] <jdong> jdub: kbuildsyscocoa and friends have to run on first KDE app, which takes quite a while
[03:58] <jdub> that is not a PITA :)
[03:59] <`anthony> shackan: er, i run kde progs under gnome all the time
[03:59] <jdong> I run K3B under GNOME all the time
[03:59] <shackan> ok, test case  : Joe user clicks Applications -> Add applications to see if there's some cool software to check out, he installs amarok, but amarok won't work
[04:00] <jdong> amarok runs here under GNOME
[04:00] <jdong> there's a 15 second delay on my 1GHz system though :)
[04:00] <janimo> infinty, are you working on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6316, the low memory install bug?
[04:00] <shackan> but you started dcopserver, kbuildsyscoca etc by hand?
[04:00] <shackan> jdong, argh
[04:01] <shackan> this sucks dog nuts
[04:01] <jdong> shackan: no, I didn't. That runs automatically, and seemingly stalls for several seconds
[04:01] <`anthony> shackan: it's only first time you start a kde app in a given session
[04:01] <jdong> It's terrible on slow computers
[04:01] <jdong> with an AMD64, I can't complain :)
[04:02] <infinity> +// Use LANG environment variable to choose locale
[04:02] <infinity> +pref("intl.locale.matchOS", true);
[04:02] <infinity> +
[04:02] <shackan> `anthony, any idea why it does not here ? ( up-to-date breezy )
[04:02] <infinity> Anything that changes default locales always smells suspicious for speed issues.
[04:02] <`anthony> shackan: Nope. 
[04:02] <`anthony> WFM
[04:02] <Kamion> mmm, could be a running-in-UTF-8-locale slowdown
[04:02] <jdong> infinity: oh?
[04:03] <`anthony> Kamion: ASCII is the answer.
[04:03] <shackan> `anthony, I'm not familiar with debian's TLAs :)
[04:03] <`anthony> Works For Me.
[04:03] <Kamion> that's not a Debian-specific acronym
[04:03] <shackan> ah, okay
[04:04] <shackan> I'll try reinstalling it..
[04:04] <Kamion> infinity: what janimo said above - I thought you were on the l-r-m udeb enormousness bug
[04:04] <infinity> Kamion : Did you ever talk to mdz about dropping that udeb completely?... You were supposed to ping me back about that. :)
[04:05] <Kamion> I know, but I thought I'd asked you to make it smaller in the meantime ...
[04:05] <infinity> Wires may have been crossed halfway through that conversation, then. :)
[04:06] <infinity> I'll shrink it first thing in the morning when I'm at "work" again.
[04:06] <Kamion> I think we are going to keep it, but there'll have to be a binutils-static-udeb (ugh)
[04:06] <Kamion> ta
[04:07] <infinity> Kamion : And to be crystal clear on this, we only want madwifi, none of the other drivers lrm ships?
[04:08] <Kamion> anything that qualifies as a "NIC module", nothing else
[04:09] <infinity> Well, I'm a bit fuzzy on how to classify the AVM ISDN stuff.
[04:09] <Kamion> none of the ISDN stuff
[04:09] <infinity> Check, then just madwifi it is.
[04:09] <Kamion> so yeah, looks like ath_hal only
[04:10] <janimo> Kamion, do you think a sync of dh_make from sid would risky? Fixes cdbs mode.
[04:10] <janimo> would be I mean
[04:11] <infinity> Packaging tools in stable releases don't matter too much to me anyway, as I figure people doing packaging should be tracking the latest and greatest in the development releases.
[04:11] <infinity> So, if we release with a broken dh_make (either cause it's broken now, or cause we break it syncing), does it matter? :)
[04:11] <janimo> no  Iinstalled dh_make manually form sid
[04:12] <janimo> but the motu's still use breezy and will for a while until dd starts.No big deal just would be nice
[04:14] <Kamion> now really isn't a good time for syncs of stuff that we haven't had time to test in the context of Ubuntu, imho
[04:16] <janimo>  I assumed devel tools are low impact, but fine
[04:16] <jdub> users/isvs will build packages on this release
[04:16] <jdub> a broken dh_make would be embarrassing and silly :)
[04:18] <janimo> just cdbs and bzip2 support are borken I think :)
[04:19] <janimo> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dh-make/dh-make_0.40/changelog
[04:20] <jdong> infinity: yeah it matters... the backports team will be clawing at you for the next 6 months and 13 days :)
[04:20] <sistpoty> infinity: could you plz. check if c2hs is a p-a-s? it should built on amd64 as well according to debian-changelog entries
[04:20] <infinity> Backporters would never have a use for dh_make.
[04:21] <infinity> sistpoty : Looks like.
[04:21] <infinity> sistpoty : Just i386 and amd64?
[04:22] <sistpoty> infinity: to changelog it should build on any arch, but i haven't seen other arches in debian
[04:22] <sivang> sistpoty: what is p-a-s ?
[04:22] <infinity> sistpoty : Ahh... It used to build-dep on ghc{4,5}
[04:23] <infinity> sistpoty : Now builds with ghc6, so it should be good on all arches.  I'll clear it up.
[04:23] <sistpoty> infinity: thx
[04:23] <sistpoty> sivang: package arch specific... will be built only on selected arches (file stored on buildd iirc)
[04:23] <jdong> have you guys thought about doing more errata updates for stable releases?
[04:24] <desrt> +1
[04:24] <jdong> like how even today Warty's Nautilus FTP client still destroys binary data?
[04:26] <Kamion> janimo: how much have you tested dh_make from sid to make sure it's not broken in various normal use cases?
[04:26] <Kamion> jdub: you too
[04:26] <Kamion> we need somebody to take active responsibility for the workingness of syncs at this late stage, and to monitor them after they enter the archive
[04:32] <janimo> Kamion, TBH I only called it once to generate my cdbs package :) so not intesively
[04:33] <janimo> but I can look at the diff to see if it poses risks
[04:35] <Kamion> I'd prefer actual testing
[04:35] <Kamion> I can look at the diff too, but I don't have time to put it through its paces
[04:36] <janimo> ok 
[04:37] <janimo> hmm there's a bug filed against the latest version about incorrect orig.tar.gz names so risky it is.
[04:37] <janimo> btw is there a dh_make equiv for generating CDBS packages then?
[04:38] <Kamion> janimo: if that bug exists in 0.39 too, it's OK
[04:38] <Kamion> it doesn't look major to me
[04:38] <jdub> Kamion: oh, i thought you were concerned the sycn would be broken - didn't realise it's broken atm!
[04:40] <Kamion> jdub: the current package is (apparently) only broken in certain cases. I am concerned the sync will be broken in other ways, since it has many changes; eleven days to release is a very short time to discover problems in a program that's only used rarely by a small number of people
[04:40] <Kamion> that is why I would like people to test the new version rather than just blindly syncing it
[04:40] <jdub> yeah, ugly
[05:11] <j^> mjg59 MODULES_WHITELIST="e100" in acpi-support does not play well with my e100 NIC
[05:11] <j^> i.e. cat /sys/class/net/eth1/carrier does not work
[05:12] <mjg59> j^: Hrmph. Right.
[05:12] <mjg59> I'll remove it for the next version
[05:14] <sivang> jdub: just talked with my .il IBM contact, going to fetch db2 validation scripts CD today probably :)
[05:15] <jdub> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/02/1424228&from=rss
[05:15] <jdub> sweet
[05:15] <jdub> oh, that's the old one
[05:15] <jdub> bah
[05:20] <sivang> jdub: is still sweet :)
[05:22] <michele> jbailey, friday I was here with a non working usplash (the totally black screen, remember?)
[05:22] <michele> it's been fixed with 0.1-19 or -20
[05:22] <janimo> I am making an artwork package for xubuntu who do I put in copyright holder? The guy drawing the logo, the maintainer, canonical, all of these, none of these ?
[05:22] <robtaylor> janimo: all
[05:22] <janimo> (cc) ?
[05:23] <janimo> just read jdubs entry :)
[05:23] <Kamion> whoever actually holds the copyright
[05:23] <zyga> has anyone seen pitty lately?
[05:23] <Kamion> so the artwork creator for the artwork, and yourself for the packaging if you feel so inclined
[05:24] <Kamion> I don't see why Canonical copyright would be involved unless you're using something that a Canonical employee did
[05:24] <sivang> zyga: he was here today morning, read some email and went back for testing I suppose
[05:25] <janimo> Ok, I;ll just put the artwork guy
[05:25] <robtaylor> Kamion: good point. i missed that he's snuck canonical in there =)
[05:25] <sivang> jdub: the israeli branch of the Global Technology group are psyched to help us since their linux guru was astonished to know the all famous Ubuntu folks want to have DB2 certified on their OS :)
[05:25] <robtaylor> Kamion: i guess if he has anything derived from a original logo, he'd need that
[05:26] <Kamion> presumably, yeah
[05:26] <janimo> well it looks very similar :)
[05:26] <janimo> so I'll put everybody in noone will mind I guess
[05:26] <Kamion> providing you're abiding by the terms of the licence on any original logo, sure
[05:26] <robtaylor> what licence is the defualt ubuntu artwork under?
[05:35] <jdub> sivang: cool
[05:35] <jdub> sivang: the local LTC dudes did a presentation to dan frye about us - good stuff happening :)
[05:36] <sivang> jdub: we are makeing waves worldwide :)
[05:38] <sivang> jdub: they want "us" (it's actually only me here) to come visit them in the TA ibm center, I need to find a free day and go lecture them some Ubuntu :)
[05:40] <zyga> sivang: I wanted to know if the new .pot exporter is working
[05:41] <sivang> zyga: I have no idea, but I will make sure to ask it for you
[05:43] <martinhj> my cdrom drive has not been set up with DMA earlier - is this going to be resolved in breezy?
[05:44] <martinhj> (CD-rom/DVD-drive) - not been able to use it to watch DVD-movies without editing the hdparm conf-file
[05:44] <martinhj> that is noe problem for me, but I know of a lot of people it would be a problem for..
[05:45] <dholbach> bbl
[05:47] <sivang> jdub: just googled for dan, he an IBM fellow ?
[05:48] <sivang> hehe  , "In an interconnected world, if the Linux community can work this way, we sure as heck can." 
[05:53] <jdub> sivang: director, LTC
[05:55] <sivang> jdub: yeah, very nice. He was once part of the Emerging technologies group which I work with as well.
[06:40] <jdong> for the Firefox moment of truth.... :)
[06:41] <jdong> 4.80 seconds.... 1.6 seconds better than before; still doesn't beat SuSE
[06:41] <jdong> now watch.... Epiphany probably will be a speed demon
[06:41] <jdong> holy crap, 2.0s
[06:41] <jdong> matches with Win32 IE4 now :)
[06:43] <jdong> k, not worth it; rolling back to official
[06:48] <lamont-away> Mithrandir: should oo.o2-amd64 have 'ia64' in the architecture line?
[06:48] <lamont-away> likewise, who broke ia32-libs for ia64???
[06:50] <Kamion> lamont-away: last I checked oo.o-amd64 really dealt with anything that required ia32-libs; I haven't checked oo.o2-amd64
[06:51] <Mithrandir> lamont-away: probably, yes.
[06:51] <lamont-away> oo.o2-amd64 dies at dh_gencontrol, because ia64 isn't in the arch list
[06:52] <lamont-away> and for dapper, ia64 gets mono..
[06:52] <mdke> jdub, here?
[06:52] <lamont-away> anyway, back later
[06:53] <jdub> mdke: yo
[06:54] <mdke> jdub, how do the timezones work on the fridge calendar? it is wrong on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/27 (the meeting is marked as 16:00 UTC in the topic in #-meeting)
[06:57] <jdub> Start: 2005-10-03 16:00
[06:57] <jdub> End: 2005-10-03 17:00
[06:57] <jdub> Timezone: Etc/GMT
[06:57] <jdub> is that wrong?
[06:57] <jdub> 16:00 GMT (UTC)
[06:59] <sivang> jdub: how can I present my self to the GTG here ? (they wanted to know my affiliation to Ubuntu/Canonical)
[07:00] <jdub> sivang: you're an ubuntu member, right?
[07:00] <sivang> jdub: true :)
[07:00] <mdke> jdub, GMT isn't UTC
[07:00] <mdke> it is an hour later
[07:00] <mdke> right?
[07:00] <jdub> ok, so "i am a member of the ubuntu project, with no affiliation to canonical" ;-)
[07:01] <Nafallo> no, GMT != BST
[07:01] <sivang> jdub: cool then
[07:01] <mdke> Nafallo, ah ok, thanks
[07:01] <jdub> i was of the understanding that GMT and UTC were only different at the very anal retentive atomic clock level
[07:01] <mdke> ok my bad
[07:01] <jdub> if you sub to it in evo, and you're on BST time locally, it'll give you the right time
[07:02] <jdub> churning in the hits from distrowatch
[07:09] <j^> did an upgrade hoary->breezy the other day by replacing hoar w/ breezy in synaptic, after that i upgraded in synaptic, it failed upgrading mozilla-firefox, i had to open the terminal to make it restart the servies after upgrading libc, nautilus crashed and did not show any icons during upgrade, trying to logout and reboot, gnome-session crashed -> x crashed; after rebooting x complained about broken keyboard setup.
[07:09] <j^> some upgrade tool other than using synaptic might be needed
[07:15] <Nafallo> my girlfriend upgraded using synaptics without any troubles at all.
[07:16] <segfault> morning.
[07:16] <Kamion> libc problem's known, I believe jbailey is working on that
[07:16] <Kamion> jbailey: ^-- just checking
[07:17] <j^> Nafallo did she have the latest hoary-security and hoary-updates installed?
[07:18] <j^> the problem with the icons is most likely related to changing the theme
[07:19] <Nafallo> j^: at the time. ofcourse...
[07:19] <Nafallo> pre firefox 1.0.7 though
[07:19] <j^> i did it yesterday so i had the latest security fix for firefox installed
[07:20] <Nafallo> yea, she made the jump around preview...
[07:20] <j^> after it failed to overwrite some file i just restarted the upgrade again. so the firefox thing was a minor issue
[07:21] <j^> also X did not start after crashing, but that might have been related to me modifying xorg.conf to addd my wacom tablet
[07:22] <sivang> oh well, I'm out. Be back later.
[07:51] <jdong> my usplash hasn't been showing up for the past few days
[07:51] <tseng> mine is fixed as of today
[07:51] <tseng> try updating it and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[07:52] <jdong> off to reboot
[07:55] <dholbach> re
[07:57] <Kamion> gar, I hate parted_server
[07:59] <jdong> tseng: thanks, works great now
[07:59] <jdong> so why isn't there usplash for shutdown?
[08:00] <Nafallo> jdong: ENOTIME, probably for dapper.
[08:01] <jdong> ENOTIME... lol, you know you're talking to a *nix developer when....
[08:27] <jdong> pinging members of security team....
[08:27] <jdong> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2005-772.html are we affected too?
[08:27] <jdong> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-2874
[08:29] <Nafallo> we are not
[08:31] <Kamion> jdong: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/
[08:41] <zyga> sivang: thanks :-)
[08:41] <zyga> screen is usefull :>
[08:56] <lllmanulll> Hey there, anybody able to use apt-get build-dep ?
[08:57] <lllmanulll> No matter which package I try to "build-depend", apt tells me it cannot meet the dependencies, is that a known problem these days ?
[08:57] <Kamion> perhaps your existing system is inconsistent, which apt doesn't like; try 'apt-get -f install'
[08:58] <lllmanulll> Nope, no problem with that
[08:58] <lllmanulll> (Only 1 package not updated, which is mplayer)
[08:58] <lllmanulll> mplayer-k6 actually
[08:59] <dholbach> lllmanulll: does another 'apt-get update' help?
[08:59] <Zomb> lllmanulll: the build-dep code sucks, it often fails on pretty reasonable dependency list
[08:59] <lllmanulll> No...
[08:59] <lllmanulll> Ah, I see
[08:59] <Kamion> and you *do* have deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, right?
[08:59] <Kamion> (appropriate ones, generally should match the deb lines)
[09:00] <lllmanulll> Well, I've already tried to ./configure and install whatever it asks me, but it gets tricky :)
[09:00] <Kamion> that won't help, and will probably hinder
[09:00] <lllmanulll> Yes, I do have the appropriate deb-src lines
[09:01] <lllmanulll> Huh wait, I do have a backport line without its deb-src match
[09:02] <lllmanulll> Nope, doesn't solve the problem (I did apt-get update)
[09:06] <lllmanulll> Huh, is there another way to know on which packages a given package build-depends ?
[09:07] <lllmanulll> Maybe from the web ?
[09:07] <Seveas> apt-get build-dep solves that for you
[09:08] <Seveas> but this channel is *not* for support
[09:08] <Seveas> please use only #ubuntu for support
[09:09] <lllmanulll> All right, sorry, I thought it belonged here since it's development stuff
[09:09] <lllmanulll> And the problem is precisely that build-dep seems faulty
[09:09] <lllmanulll> Anyway, thanks :)
[09:10] <Keybuk> lllmanulll ... now there's a nickname that should be illegal
[09:10] <Keybuk> don't you know we have Welsh speakers on the channel?
[09:10] <Keybuk> some of them are choking trying to pronounce that
[09:11] <lllmanulll> Well, manu is always taken :-p
[09:11] <lllmanulll> Definitely shouldn't try to pronounce that ^^
[09:16] <jdub> Keybuk: i added a new feature to the fridge the other day
[09:17] <jdub> Keybuk: there's a block on the left hand side with random cool stuff in it
[09:17] <jdub> Keybuk: one of them, i think you will like
[09:18] <Keybuk> jdub: oh?
[09:20] <jdub> Keybuk: you may have to reload a few times ;)
[09:23] <Keybuk> jdub: Ubuntu on Flickr ?
[09:24] <jdub> Keybuk: keep going ;)
[09:24] <jdub> (though that is fun)
[09:24] <Keybuk> You want a pony?
[09:24] <jdub> :-)
[09:24] <Keybuk> http://www.netsplit.com/tmp/no.jpg
[09:25] <jdub> :-)
[09:25] <Keybuk> just that and the fridge magnet so far
[09:26] <janimo> keybuk, jdub, it is funny enough without knowing the background, but is there one for this pony thing?
[09:27] <janimo> ancient zulu folklore?
[09:27] <jdub> heh
[09:28] <Keybuk> janimo: NO, PONY
[09:28] <jdub> it's a joke that resonates pretty broadly
[09:28] <jdub> hoighty young girls begging for ponies
[09:28] <jdub> as if their lives depended on it
[09:30] <janimo> well so much for all your base are belong to us 
[09:31] <Keybuk> I don't want your base
[09:31] <janimo> ah, you want a pony
[09:32] <jbailey> win 88
[09:32] <jbailey> win 82
[09:32] <jbailey> Feh
[09:32] <Keybuk> lose 170
[09:32] <Keybuk> you die
[09:33] <jbailey> *thump*
[09:33] <jbailey> (The sound of me falling to the ground)
[09:36] <bmonty> elmo: can you please morgue hostap-modules-i386 and hostap-driver?  These packages are unnecessary since this module is now part of the kernel image.
[09:36] <Keybuk> so, is the list server down?
[09:37] <Keybuk> I find it hard to believe that there have been so few mails today
[09:37] <bmonty> Keybuk: I've gotten a bunch
[09:37] <mjg59> Keybuk: I got mail 10 minutes ago
[09:37] <mjg59> So "down" seems unlikely
[09:38] <Keybuk> I've had a few, but nowhere near the usual volume
[09:38] <bmonty> slow day :)
[09:38] <Keybuk> 'twas the weekend before preview, and all though the lists, not a user 'twas stirring ...
[09:38] <Kamion> final holiday before the storm?
[09:38] <jdub> mail's definitely going through
[09:39] <mdke> yeah i'm getting it ok i think
[09:46] <whiprush> 400-ish turn out for my Ubuntu talk at ohio linux fest. 900+ CDs distributed.
[09:46] <jdub> whiprush: rock and roll :-)
[09:46] <jdub> whiprush: report for the fridge? :-)
[09:46] <whiprush> going to bed now, so tired.
[09:46] <whiprush> yes. I'm so behind.
[09:46] <jdub> gute nacht!
[09:47] <jdub> countdown articles start today
[09:47] <jdub> i'm going to do one when i come home from boating
[09:47] <whiprush> ugh.
[09:47] <whiprush> ok, I'll try to get one done tonite.
[09:47] <jdub> we got ten days ;-)
[09:47] <whiprush> sorry, been so busy lately. 
[09:48] <jdub> no probs
[09:48] <jdub> i will probably write a couple on the plane too
[09:48] <whiprush> you doing a n-m one?
[09:48] <whiprush> I'd like to do that one.
[09:48] <jdub> not for the lead up articles - only going to cover supported stuff
[09:48] <jdub> will do 'stars of the universe' for universe love
[09:49] <dholbach> "stars of the universe"?
[09:49] <dholbach> what will that one be?
[09:53] <dholbach> jdub: ^ :)
[10:25] <bddebian> Any of you gurus know how xmkmf works?
[10:28] <azeem> daniels!
[10:28] <bddebian> azeem: Aye but I think he's gone into hiding :-)
[10:29] <bddebian> Kamion or infinity: ping?
[10:29] <Kamion> bddebian: ?
[10:30] <bddebian> Kamion: Do you know how to manipulate how xmkmf works?
[10:30] <Kamion> not me
[10:30] <bddebian> The manpage is lacking :-(
[10:31] <Kamion> closest I've got to it was while making gxditview not link to libxp6, and even then I just read the bits of the source I needed to read, made the fix that seemed least insane and that worked, and then purged my brain of the horror
[10:31] <bddebian> Heh
[10:32] <sivang> dholbach: what's the stars of the universe is ? :)
[10:32] <Kamion> I'd generally start by grepping around in /etc/X11/config/cf/
[10:32] <Kamion> but it would probably depend what you're trying to do
[10:32] <Kamion> anyway, far too much work for a weekend; night all
[10:32] <dholbach> sivang: what jdub intends to with them
[10:32] <bddebian> Kamion: Gnight
[10:33] <sivang> dholbach: what is it ? :)
[10:33] <dholbach> sivang: that's why i asked
[10:36] <Keybuk> *sigh*
[10:36] <Keybuk> not for the first time, I wish there was a recalloc
[10:41] <bddebian> Is there any chance that the .tmpl files in our xmkmf package are just wrong?
[10:55] <Keybuk> Kamion: don't suppose you know, off-hand, an easy way to debug a curses app? :p
[10:55] <Keybuk> gdb and curses don't appear to be friends
[10:56] <Keybuk> (other than putting a big sleep in it, and attaching quickly)
[10:58] <bddebian> Keybuk: I don't suppose you know xmkmf? :-)
[10:59] <Keybuk> bddebian: nope
[10:59] <Keybuk> I've always avoided it
[11:00] <bddebian> That seems to be everyone's answer :-(
[11:02] <bddebian> Where has daniels been?
[11:08] <Keybuk> ooh, /me learns about "tty /dev/pts/X"
[11:08] <Keybuk> yay, that spat all over the other terminal <g>
[11:08] <sivang> Keybuk: could you teach /me ?
[11:09] <Keybuk> sivang: what would you like teaching about?
[11:10] <bddebian> Hehe
[11:11] <bddebian> Oh, oh, I'll take that one
[11:11] <sivang> Keybuk: about the tty /dev/pst :)
[11:12] <Keybuk> sivang: in gdb?  well, there's a "tty" command, if you give it the tty of another window you have open, all your program output goes there while your existing terminal stays the same
[11:12] <bddebian> doko: Hey, do you know xmkmf? :-)
[11:12] <Keybuk> so if you're running gdb in emacs, and want to debug a curses app, you can send all the curses stuff to a different window
[11:12] <Keybuk> and still set breakpoints and stuff
[11:13] <sivang> way cool
[11:13] <dholbach> bddebian: doko knows everything
[11:13] <Keybuk> handy
[11:13] <sivang> Keybuk: what's the program you're debugging ?
[11:14] <Keybuk> sivang: I've been on/off writing an app that can understand the live timing stream from the Formula 1 website
[11:14] <Keybuk> so I don't need to run their icky Java thing
[11:15] <bddebian> dholbach: You know qt3? ;-)
[11:16] <doko> bddebian: ask daniels, and he'll tell you it is crap
[11:16] <dholbach> bddebian: no :)
[11:16] <bddebian> doko: That doesn't surprise me but I have a package that is using it :-(
[11:17] <doko> bddebian: tough luck
[11:21] <jordi> Kamion: ping?
[11:21] <jordi> does anyone know how the ubuntu installer team handles translations?
[11:40] <sivang> mjg59: ping
[11:40] <mjg59> sivang: Hi
[11:40] <sivang> mjg59: 'sup? do you have a couple of minutes? I've seen your email about suspension,
[11:41] <sivang> mjg59: I can send you the inspirion 8200 output, but I need to be able to sleep with nvidia bin drvr
[11:42] <sivang> mjg59: someone showed me once how to do that, do you know if it's enough to have only the VBESTATE=true ?
[11:44] <sivang> mjg59: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/dmidecode.txt, now you have inspiron 8200 int :)
[11:44] <sivang> s/int/in/
[11:54] <dholbach> i'm off guys... have a nice evening
[11:55] <sivang> dholbach: c'ya
[12:00] <sivang> jordi: from what I know, Kamion is handeling in some way - last time I helped him with some transaltion and he merged and added them to the PO files
[12:01] <sivang> anyway all, I'm beat
[12:01] <sivang> good night