[02:52] <desrt> who takes l-r-m bugs these days?
[02:52] <desrt> bugzilla still has them assigned to daniel
[02:59] <crimsun> I think fabbione does now
[02:59] <desrt> ahh.  5 seconds too late
[02:59] <crimsun> don't quote me on that, though.
[03:00] <desrt> he'll sort it out, i imagine
[05:28] <lamont-away>         kernel-wedge copy-modules 2.6.12-9 itanium-smp 2.6.12-9-itanium-smp
[05:28] <lamont-away> missing module ide-generic
[05:28] <lamont-away> BenC: so it looks like I missed a spot or 2 when I dropped ide-generic from ia64...
[05:58] <BenC> ah
[05:58] <BenC> sounds like something for 9.20
[06:07] <desrt> BenC; what's the name of the abi-checker script?
[06:10] <BenC> not really a script
[06:10] <BenC> look under the build target in debian/rules
[06:11] <BenC> uses the kernel tree generated Module.symvers file
[06:11] <BenC> with some sed/sort stuff
[06:11] <desrt> good morning, fabbione
[06:11] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:11] <desrt> you're up early
[06:12] <fabbione> nah
[06:12] <fabbione> it's my usual time
[06:12] <desrt> i figure it's either 6am, 7am, 8am or 9am there :)
[06:13] <desrt> 6!
[06:13] <fabbione> 6am
[06:13] <fabbione> i always wake up between 4 and 7
[06:13] <desrt> crikey
[06:13] <fabbione> nah
[06:13] <fabbione> it's because i am stressed
[06:13] <desrt> you need a nice vacation once breezy is released
[06:13] <desrt> why don't you come to canada?
[06:14] <fabbione> i will arrive a few days before UBZ
[06:14] <fabbione> the 26th
[06:14] <fabbione> and wander around 3/4 days
[06:14] <desrt> i'd invite you to wander my way, but i'm going to be really busy those days
[06:15] <fabbione> desrt: do you live in montreal?
[06:15] <desrt> no.
[06:15] <fabbione> how far from montreal?
[06:15] <desrt> about 6 hours
[06:15] <fabbione> hmm a bit too much 
[06:15] <fabbione> but thanks for the offer
[06:15] <desrt> i didn't offer :)
[06:16] <fabbione> s/offer/idea
[06:16] <desrt> :p
[06:16] <fabbione> whatever
[06:16] <fabbione> i am still injecting coffee
[06:16] <desrt> a good reason for anything
[06:16] <desrt> ubuntu is your only job, right?
[06:17] <fabbione> yes
[06:17] <desrt> is it stressful, or other life factors?
[06:17] <fabbione> several reasons
[06:17] <fabbione> but right now we are approaching release
[06:18] <fabbione> and my stress level goes up due to extra QA paranoia that ticks in my brain
[06:18] <desrt> ya.  i worry a lot about that too
[06:22] <fabbione> hmm what program is used to burn .bin/.cue in linux??
[06:22] <fabbione> i can never remember
[06:22] <desrt> cdrecord
[06:22] <fabbione> ok
[06:23] <fabbione> thanks
[06:23] <fabbione> i am not such a win hacker :)
[06:25] <desrt> ow
[06:25] <desrt> the canadian papersize bug is back
[06:25] <fabbione> -ENOCARE :P
[06:25] <desrt> i sure as hell do :p
[06:25] <fabbione> today i am not going to work... too tired
[06:25] <desrt> it's sunday!
[06:25] <desrt> it's a sin to work
[06:26] <fabbione> the only real solution is to change country
[06:26] <desrt> :)
[06:27] <desrt> infinity; ping
[06:28] <desrt> infinity; you fixed this bug last time :)
[06:29] <fabbione> the rule of "you touched last" rock
[06:30] <desrt> de facto maintainership with a sample size of exactly 1
[06:31] <desrt> man
[06:32] <desrt> i destroyed a lot of information by reinstalling
[06:32] <desrt> forgot to backup /etc... forgot to backup /usr/local.... forgot to backup my ssh key
[06:32] <desrt> the ssh key alone will be an excessive amount of work to repair
[06:33] <fabbione> eheh i know
[06:33] <fabbione> i did rm -rf /home once 
[06:33] <fabbione> i know the pain
[06:36] <desrt> i think i'll tell everyone that i decided to 'rotate' my keys :)
[06:37] <fabbione> AHAHHA
[06:37] <fabbione> i would blame libpaper for overwriting them
[06:37] <desrt> hmmm.. not bad
[06:38] <desrt> i could say i wrote a script that checks /etc/papersize and erases my ssh key if it's not "letter"
[06:38] <desrt> that way i can detect if my laptop is stolen and taken out of the country and destroy my key for security purposes
[06:38] <fabbione> cdrecord: Unsupported sector size 2352 for data on line 2 in 'dev-civ3.cue'.
[06:38] <fabbione> HMMM
[06:39] <desrt> you have to use cuefile=
[06:39] <fabbione> i did
[06:39] <desrt> oh.  weird
[06:39] <fabbione> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree cuefile=dev-civ3.cue -dao
[06:39] <desrt> did you try -pad?
[06:39] <fabbione> the man page says to use -dao
[06:39] <fabbione> No track files are allowed when this option is
[06:39] <fabbione>               present and the option -dao is currently needed in addition.
[06:39] <fabbione> go figure
[06:51] <infinity> desrt : <poke>
[06:53] <desrt> hey
[06:53] <desrt> 'sup
[06:53] <infinity> Tell me of your papersize woes.
[06:53] <desrt> i added a clarification to the bug
[06:53] <infinity> Were you in en_CA when libpaper1 was installed?
[06:53] <desrt> To clarify -- the exact problem is that when choosing:
[06:53] <desrt>   English
[06:53] <desrt>   Canada
[06:53] <desrt>   American English (keyboard layout)
[06:53] <desrt> in the installer then the resulting installation has an /etc/papersize that
[06:54] <desrt> contains "a4" instead of "letter"
[06:54] <desrt> fresh install
[06:54] <fabbione> hey infinity 
[06:54] <desrt> maybe the installer doesn't set the locale during the libpaper instsall?
[06:54] <infinity> I'm sure it's something more insidious.
[06:55] <desrt> :)
[06:55] <desrt> man
[06:55] <desrt> i have this fresh looking breezy on my laptop
[06:55] <desrt> it looks hawt
[06:55] <desrt> all new artwork just hit
[06:57] <infinity> Alright, what the heck is supposed to set '$LC_PAPER'?
[06:57] <infinity> Cause that's what we're checking in the config script.
[06:59] <infinity> desrt : Is this still a pretty shiny/fresh install?
[06:59] <desrt> infinity; more or less.. i've installed some stuff but haven't really modified anything yet
[06:59] <desrt> infinity; 'cept for changing /etc/papersize to 'letter' of course
[06:59] <infinity> desrt : What's the output of "locale", run as root?
[07:00] <fabbione> it's probably unset
[07:00] <fabbione> it gets forced at d-i
[07:01] <desrt> k
[07:01] <desrt> LC_PAPER shouldn't be set
[07:01] <desrt> LANGUAGE and LANG are set
[07:02] <desrt> and locale uses those to determine the value of LC_PAPER
[07:02] <infinity> To?
[07:02] <infinity> Err, yes.  I know.
[07:02] <desrt> but
[07:02] <desrt> (flood)
[07:02] <infinity> (Though it can be set independantly as well, if you feel like it)
[07:02] <desrt> LANG=en_CA.UTF-8
[07:02] <desrt> LC_CTYPE="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_NUMERIC="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_TIME="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_COLLATE="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_MONETARY="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_MESSAGES="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_PAPER="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_NAME="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_ADDRESS="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_TELEPHONE="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_CA.UTF-8"
[07:02] <desrt> LC_ALL=
[07:11] <desrt> infinity; sigh
[07:11] <desrt> infinity; freenode isn't letting me /msg you
[07:12] <desrt> infinity; /j #libpaper
[07:12] <infinity> Oh, actually, nevermind. :)
[07:12] <desrt> k :)
[07:12] <infinity> I think I did all the testing here that I wanted you to do anyway. ;)
[07:13] <desrt> took me a while to realise why you weren't responding to me
[07:13] <desrt> when the real truth is that i was failing to respond to you :)
[07:14] <infinity> Ahh, oops.
[07:15] <infinity> I've been told that I can opt-in to unregistered /msg, but after I asked "how", everyone was silent.
[07:16] <infinity> desrt : Try now.
[07:20] <fabbione> infinity: tell to nickserv
[07:20] <fabbione> or change your mode to +6 i think
[07:21] <fabbione> -NickServ-     UNFILTERED Allow messages from unregistered users
[07:21] <fabbione> using the set option
[07:22] <infinity> Yeah, already fixed.
[07:27] <desrt> alas!
[07:28] <infinity> It probably does, on his.
[07:28] <infinity> He has lots of changes in fd.o CVS that we don't (and can't) have in breezy, and even more changes sitting on his hard drive that he refuses to commit until they stop sucking.
[07:29] <desrt> :)
[07:29] <desrt> benh = magic
[07:30] <infinity> Not that benh being magic will do much for you, unless you want to start compiling xorg drivers in your spare time.
[07:30] <desrt> i am just blown away by _how nice_ the new ubuntu-artwork is
[07:30] <infinity> (And updated kernel, libdrm, and mesa... I believe)
[07:31] <desrt> uhm
[07:31] <desrt> did the archive's webserver just go offline for some reason?
[07:31] <infinity> Connection refused.  Fun.
[07:32] <infinity> Could be rebooting.
[07:32] <infinity> Erm, I doubt they're both rebooting.
[07:32] <infinity> So, more likely a firewall hates us, suddenly.
[07:36] <desrt> yuh... this archive-offline business is a real buzzkill for my new install :)
[07:38] <infinity> There are plenty of mirrors, dude. :)
[07:38] <desrt> i thought they all went to the same place
[07:39] <infinity> Most of the TLD.archive stuff just goes back to archive, for whatever reason.
[07:39] <infinity> But there are lots of mirrors outside the ubuntu.com namespace.
[07:39] <desrt> ahah
[07:39] <desrt> archive.ubuntulinux.org for example
[07:40] <infinity> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[07:40] <infinity> Seems to list a bunch in Canada.
[07:40] <infinity> Err... Two. :)
[07:40] <desrt> i'm not a canadian :p
[07:40] <infinity> Make that one.
[07:40] <infinity> Then what's up with the en_CA?
[07:40] <desrt> canadian english is the one true spelling
[07:41] <infinity> http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/ should be fast....
[07:41] <infinity> UMN == People who host saens.debian.org, one of Debian's most busy http.us/ftp primaries.
[07:44] <infinity> Hrm.
[07:44] <infinity> desrt : So, what's the deal with you being connected from a cable ISP in Ontario, then? :)
[07:44] <desrt> ya.  i made that up :)
[07:45] <desrt> i was wondering if you'd noticed up there ^^ when i was saying how fabbione should come visit me in canada :)
[07:45] <infinity> Nah, I don't do scrollback.
[07:45] <infinity> If you're in Ontario, UMN should be blindingly fast.
[07:45] <desrt> i already added that canadian one
[07:45] <desrt> but frankly it sort of sucks, so i may give umn a go
[07:45] <infinity> Unless your podunk ISP's reouting/peering is shit, it's probably like 5 hops to UNM for you.
[07:46] <desrt> pfah
[07:46] <desrt> more like 16
[07:47] <infinity> Right.  Podunk ISP it is, then. :)
[07:47] <desrt> my isp is actually pretty wicked
[07:47] <infinity> Note that it's 16 hops (exactly, weird) to saens.debian.org for me in AUSTRALIA.
[07:48] <infinity> And that first hop is my internal router, so make that 15 hops.
[07:48] <infinity> Of course, they're probably slighty longer/slower hops than yours. :)
[07:50] <desrt> my gateway at home is a sweet 5 hops from my workstation at school
[07:50] <desrt> 3 of those hops being inside of the university :p
[07:51] <infinity> And I'll bet your university has better peering than your ISP does.
[07:51] <infinity> So the solution is to tunnel everything from home thorugh your uni. :)
[07:51] <infinity> through, too.
[07:53] <desrt> incidentally, i already have such a tunnel set up
[07:53] <desrt> it's just not my default route
[07:53] <desrt> i use it to ssh to hosts on my private network at school
[07:53] <infinity> Which school do you go to>
[07:53] <infinity> ?
[07:54] <desrt> mcmaster
[07:54] <desrt> which is still a lot of hops away from umn
[07:54] <infinity> :)
[07:54] <desrt> i start getting the * * * at 11
[07:54] <infinity> If it's going through Level3, you proabbly don't want it.
[07:55] <infinity> (Well, L3 bandwidth is good, but the academic networks are much faster)
[07:55] <desrt> mcmaster -> orion -> canet -> gigapop -> ggnet
[07:55] <desrt> why don't i recognise the names of these networks?
[07:56] <infinity> I don't know Orion, I assume it's an Ontario educational backbone.
[07:56] <infinity> Cause CAnet is part of Canada's internet2 backbone.
[07:56] <desrt> i should find out who my isp peers
[07:57] <crimsun> canet should be linked to abilene somehow
[07:57] <desrt> s/isp/school/
[07:59] <desrt> i also wonder if they have ipv6 connectivity
[08:00] <desrt> it doesn't look like it
[10:59] <crimsun> good lord, this diff is almost 200 KB
[06:33] <lamont-away> BenC: I forgot to copy that file back from the machine where I was doing builds... -9.20 has an initial commit now.
[11:28] <karlheg> Should I use 'baz' or 'tla' to access that linux-source/debian Arch-ive?
[11:29] <karlheg> I want to learn to use 'xtla' \over (baz|tla).  Is that the toolset people are using?
[11:29] <karlheg> I find that tla is not easy to use.  'git' was simpler.
[11:29] <karlheg> ... but lacks a nice Emacs interface.  :-)