=== mort_ [n=moritz@217-162-19-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === UbuntuOne [n=chatzill@83-131-251-184.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:08] Hello people...anyone willing to join a Ubuntu support team? === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] what kind of support team? [12:12] be more specific :) === mort_ [n=moritz@217-162-19-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] well, the support team would try to help users when they can't or don't know how to do something, direct them , etc :p [12:14] there is lots of support for ubuntu already? [12:14] I missed the beginning of the conversation - what is this support team for, prospective MOTUs? [12:14] irc, mailinglists, forum? [12:14] live help and support tickets [12:15] support tickets in launchpad you mean? [12:15] live as IRL? [12:15] hm, go here and see: www.whereisanykey.com [12:16] UbuntuOne, launchpad has support tickets [12:16] IIRC === mort_ [n=moritz@217-162-19-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] oh [12:20] https://launchpad.net/support [12:20] check that [12:22] still :p === mort_ [n=moritz@217-162-19-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] I know === ryu [n=chris@p5487C787.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c172221.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mort_ [n=moritz@217-162-19-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === UbuntuOne [n=chatzill@83-131-251-184.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === mort__ [n=moritz@217-162-19-82.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:36] Heya gang [12:36] hey, we can assign all desktop bugs to you now! [12:38] You can? [12:38] didn't you volunteer to handle 'em? :P [12:38] (I'm joking, of course) === blueyed [n=daniel@iD4CC009A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] Sure, why not ;-P [12:45] night all [12:47] hi [12:48] Heya ajmitch [12:48] bddebian: you should take all the bugs, since you're the official Bug Master here [12:48] crimsun: Are you on the desktop team? [12:48] I haven't signed up yet [12:48] ajmitch: I'm nobody and you know it ;-) [12:48] bollocks [12:48] Do either of you have an opinion on #902? Looks like a user preference to me, more than a bug?? [12:49] crimsun: is this the work of a 'nobody'? https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma [12:49] I don't think so! [12:49] bddebian: see :P [12:49] Bah :-) [12:50] I think dholbach should write that up in his MOTU report [12:50] Adding a desktop file isn't exaclty l33t h4XX0r work ;-P [12:50] so? [12:51] it's still work [12:51] unlike what I do [12:51] gah, man page for mount says there's a /sbin/mount.smbfs but there isn't, mount isn't even in sbin [12:51] is that a 'bug'? ;) [12:51] ajmitch: D00d, you have more activity than I do :-) === ajmitch closes another 2 bugs out of spite === pedro_ [n=pedro@200.163.14.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] bddebian: but I've closed less bugs than you :P === ajmitch guesses he has to ask for a sync again of 2 packages [12:53] once my syncs are done that's another 2 [12:54] plus another bug in my package which I have to fix [12:54] & then there's the f-spot bug which I have to fix by patching gtk# [12:55] havoc, patches for mount are welcome. :) [12:55] crimsun: installing the smbfs package fixed it ;) [12:56] right [12:56] I meant a patch for mount.8 [12:56] but in this case, the man page is correct === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC05DA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] crimsun: assuming you install the rest of the packages, yes :) === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SynrG [n=synrg@debian/developer/synrg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pedro_gb [n=pedro_gb@200.163.14.22] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] Damn I gotta get moving [01:05] ajmitch: Still no comment for 902?? [01:06] bddebian: no, did you need me to comment? [01:07] Just wondered if you thought it was valid? === ajmitch shrugs === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC05DA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC05DA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] bddebian: I think you should set it to reject...the user can reopen it if it is still a valid concern [01:13] not everyone likes to reject bugs out of hand [01:13] especially as it's assigned to the gnome team [01:14] ajmitch: I don't think it is out of hand, but I see your point [01:15] it's something that occurs, that the users doesn't like, that can be fixed [01:15] so why reject it? :) [01:16] I don't think it can be fixed by changing the package, the user has to update their configs for gdm and the window manager [01:16] the bug should probably be against the desktop preferences app [01:17] and is it our call to make? :P [01:17] which it looks like it is :) [01:17] ajmitch: if it is a universe package I would say yes [01:17] it's not [01:18] and some universe packages are still handled by specific teams if possible [01:18] k, well the GNOME team should get crackin' :) [01:19] the gnome team has quite enough bugs to handle :P) === SynrG [n=synrg@debian/developer/synrg] has left #ubuntu-motu ["wop"] === bmonty is looking for a different bug to play with... [01:25] bmonty: Fix wordtrans for me, it's pissing me off :-) [01:31] So any time A user wants something, we just fix it? ;-P [01:35] bddebian: no, we go & dance in the street === ajmitch needs to close more bugs [01:36] since I want to hit 1000 karma by the end of the weekend :) [01:37] Doh [01:37] Holy shit, I'm Waaay behind you on karma.. :-( [01:38] I haven't even gotten to triple digits yet [01:38] bddebian: nah, you'll catch up fast with today's effort [01:40] ajmitch: I don't think so. I'm like 200 behind you.. :'-( [01:40] bddebian: you're up one bug for fixed at the moment [01:41] Almost 2 ;-P [01:41] maybe 1 ;0 === ajmitch is just waiting for a build to finish [01:42] oh, I'd better fix my own bugs today :) [01:43] Heh [01:43] at least between us we can burn through the bugs :) [01:44] :-) [02:05] ajmitch: ping [02:06] Nafallo: pong [02:06] what's up? [02:06] can you reproduce that gajim bug? [02:06] Nafallo: no idea, I don't use gajim ;) [02:06] I just thought the IM team could handle it [02:07] oh. I thought you could since you subscribed :-) [02:07] nah [02:07] yes, gajim is MOTU-IM :-) [02:07] I just wanted to see what progress got made on it [02:08] well, I introduced that. now I just have to figure out exactally why the damn error appered :-/ [02:08] yeah [02:08] lucky you ;) [02:08] fix one bug to get another really sucks :-P === ajmitch squashes another in his own debian package === bddebian +1 === ajmitch +! [02:11] :-) === ajmitch needs a drink === ajmitch marks his debian bug as pending as well === janm [n=jm__@202.172.110.188] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] hmm, anyone using gajim with gpg-support? :-) [02:14] I need someone to talk to ;-) === ajmitch closes another debian bug for good measure ;) [02:19] Bah [02:19] bddebian: yes? === ajmitch has to do bug fixing for 2 distros, not just one :P [02:19] bddebian: want the good news? [02:19] No :-) [02:20] we're almost back at 500 bugs open [02:20] w00t [02:20] so we're keeping even with the bugs that are coming in [02:20] 501/1042 [02:20] just under half are open === Nafallo will close a gajim bug now ;-) [02:21] Nafallo: thanks === bddebian closes another one === ajmitch will close another bug in a few minutes === ajmitch has to keep up with Bug Master bddebian === bddebian uploads another.. [02:23] ehm [02:23] bddebian: stop upload bugs PLEASE :-) === ajmitch is just too slow & can't keep up [02:23] Nafallo: eh? [02:24] oh he's just doing .desktop fixes :P [02:24] ehm. we were talking about bugs and bddebian uploads another... [02:24] no wonder he's uploading so fast [02:24] is my parser broken? ;-) [02:24] Hehe [02:24] he uploaded a package [02:24] we don't 'upload' bugs === bddebian might ;-P [02:24] true [02:24] some of us seems to do ;-) === janm [n=jm__@202.172.110.188] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] w00t 498 [02:28] madman === ajmitch needs to close more bugs! === ajmitch neeeeds his fix === ajmitch has only fixed 70 :( [02:28] :-) === bddebian doesn't know how many he has closed :) [02:29] 72 [02:29] https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma [02:29] I keep watch ;) [02:30] I see my karma is still waaaay behind yours though :-) [02:30] it only gets updated once a day [02:31] Ahh === ajmitch starts another pbuilder [02:34] ajmitch: would you do an usplash upload for me? infinity made a typo in -19. [02:34] no [02:34] I can't upload to main [02:34] still? [02:34] oh? [02:34] d'oh [02:34] dang [02:34] Hmm, how can we have an avidemux bug when there is no avidemux binary in hoary or breezy? [02:35] apt-cache madison avidemux [02:35] avidemux | 1:2.0.40-0.0 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/multiverse Sources [02:35] :P [02:35] I know [02:35] But how is he running it? ;-) [02:35] so they *might* be using marillat binaries === bmonty_laptop [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] I can't even find a description of WTF it is ;-P === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] What a surprise, it can't be built === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-069-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:01] *sigh* [03:01] now I'm stunned :-P === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487C146.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] Reject a bug on a package that has no possibility of being built? [03:24] bddebian: which one? [03:27] 2731 avidemux [03:27] the package doesn't build? [03:30] ask thesaltydog where he got the package from then [03:30] since he's the bug reporter :P === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-111-249-68.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] bmonty_laptop: It has build-deps that we will probably never get in. The source has been there a while but the binary wasn't in breezy either [03:59] ajmitch: You'll be happy to know that there probably aren't any more bugs that my dumb ass can fix :) [03:59] bddebian, shouldn't you be watching this awesome game? ;) [03:59] tritium: Which awesome game? [04:00] bddebian, Notre Dame dominating Purdue at Purdue :) [04:01] Bah.. My alma mater is University of Phoenix ;-P [04:01] bddebian, you started at Purdue, did you not? [04:01] bddebian: I'm sure there are more bugs, but I hope you're not fixing them with your ass [04:02] what about the USC, Arizona State game? That started out great. [04:02] tritium: Yes [04:02] Yeah, great start to that one, LaserJock [04:02] ajmitch: There are more bugs, I'm just too stupid to fix them [04:02] bddebian: please fix them by typing. fixing bugs with your ass leads to messy situations [04:02] what is the correct build dep for a kernel module package that needs gcc-3.4 to build? [04:10] bddebian: I'll be certain to make sure you get a good mention in this month's MOTU report [04:11] pfft [04:11] you deserve it [04:11] your name will be famous :) === rob^ reads the scrollback [04:12] we should make a "Bddebian is a god" wiki page ;-) [04:12] Heh, yeah right [04:12] We aren't going to leap Debian for Universe packages are we? I.E. #2383 === ajmitch sets up a bddebian shrine [04:14] bddebian: that can *not* be updated [04:14] these gnome team bugs are being handled :) [04:14] new mergeant version would require new versions of libs in main [04:14] ajmitch: So don't touch it? === ajmitch adds comment to bug [04:15] if its a gnome team bug...leave it to the gnome team? [04:15] bddebian: dholbach & I already discussed this bug, sorry [04:15] we should have left a comment on it [04:16] bmonty_laptop: sometimes it can be a good idea [04:16] other times, MOTU are free to go wild === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] guess it takes experience to know the difference [04:17] yeah, it can [04:18] eg certain people would lynch you if you started mucking up mono packages ;) [04:19] even though technically any MOTU could go & patch gtk# to fix 2210 [04:19] it's not necessarily the best thing to do :) [04:19] maybe malone needs a feature to track that [04:20] perhaps [04:20] or we could just take notice of who the bug is assigned to [04:20] if it is assigned :) === ajmitch looks for gtk# svn [04:21] MOTU is a broad category though [04:21] yea [04:24] Looks to me like 2195 is just a problem with the scribus.desktop file [04:27] bddebian: desktop file looks OK to me [04:27] *yawn* [04:27] bmonty_laptop: It's wrong, I just tried it. And after modifying it, it worked [04:27] Heya slomo_ [04:27] hey slomo_ [04:27] bddebian: which category did you add? [04:28] someone got a coffee for me? ;) [04:28] bmonty_laptop: I didn't. The Type=Application is in the wrong place and I took the absolute path out of the icon === bddebian hands slomo_ a cup o jo [04:29] ajmitch: Wtf is up with gnome-launch-box? [04:29] it's completly broken [04:30] you have to port it to the new gnome-menus api [04:30] It's got the wrong deps :-) === ajmitch has looked at it [04:32] everybody looked at it... but without knowing that api it's unfixable... and upstream seems to be dead [04:32] slomo_: upstream isn't dead, they just haven't released ;) [04:32] hm, there where no changes in the cvs since many months at the time i looked at it ;) === ajmitch found it online & the changelog had entries from a few days ago [04:35] hmm... where? [04:39] in the obvious place, on its website... [04:39] and it's in svn now [04:39] http://developer.imendio.com/svn/gnome-launch-box/trunk/ChangeLog [04:39] ok, last commit was 3 weeks ago [04:39] hmm... weird... that's where i looked at the time i looked at the package [04:39] and the last change were months ago... [04:39] so maybe they got to work again ;) [04:40] website is http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GNOME_Launch_Box [04:40] well there's a gap from 14/4 till 31/8 [04:41] ok, that's my "months" :) hm, i'll look at this package again tomorrow when noone fixes it before [04:41] I doubt anyone really wants to fix it before then ;) [04:42] what did they change? moving to the new gnome-menus api or something useless? === bddebian has already fixed it. ;-P [04:42] lol [04:42] fine :) [04:42] ;-P [04:42] bddebian: so upload it and i'm happy :) === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] how did you fix it? just took a newer svn version? [04:44] bddebian: so close the bug then [04:46] I was kidding [04:46] Sheesh :-) [04:46] ffs [04:46] lol === ajmitch looks around for a /kick === janm [n=jm__@202.172.110.188] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] ffs? [04:46] nice one ;) anyway... i get to sleep now and when nothing about gnome-launch-box is on breezy-changes tomorrow i'll take a look again :P [04:46] expression of annoyance [04:47] good night everybode :) [04:47] bddebian: hurry up & fix it then [04:47] Later slomo_ [04:47] night slomo_ [04:47] ajmitch: Don't I have to wait for Debian? ;-) [04:47] you sorely test my patience at times :P [04:49] I'm being a little bit serious. What is the justification for bypassing Debian on upstream versions? [04:49] s/justification/policy [04:49] only when needed [04:49] and this is packaged by seb128 in debian [04:50] Well then kick him in the ass. ;-) [04:50] can you guys download packages from us.archive.ubuntu.com, I'm getting 404 errors [04:50] bmonty_laptop: I just have archive.u.c now so I never know :-) [04:51] OK, 2735. I don't see even source for user-mode-linux so how was he able to post this bug? [04:51] bddebian: umm [04:51] other packages refer to user-mode-linuz [04:51] and I saw some source that used to be in the archive, iirc === ajmitch looked at that bug yesterday, should have commented it :P [04:52] isn't the source package uml? [04:52] apt-cache madison is empty [04:52] bmonty_laptop: Not in Debian [04:53] ajmitch: WTF are you talking about??? :-) [04:54] probably just because I've got it installed from long ago [04:56] Hmm, 2727. Shouldn't socks4-server depend libsocks4 ? [04:56] yes, working on it [04:56] :P [04:56] Dick :-) === ajmitch sighs [04:57] Would bringing in user-mode-linux break stuff? [04:57] yes [04:57] ajmitch: You fixing 2428 too? ;-) [04:57] grrr...its a little hard to work on packages when the archives aren't working :( [04:58] sure, I'll fix launchpad bugs [04:59] Oops, I meant 2728 [04:59] might as well try [05:00] You ROCK d00d :-) [05:00] no, I don't [05:02] Yes, you do [05:04] if I'm fixing 2727 & 2728, I might as well do 2726 [05:04] they're all for the same package [05:04] won't that help my karma? ;) [05:04] 2700 is unfixable for now, btw [05:05] and why is 2692 still open? [05:05] I cannot make that bastard install the files for the life of me :-( [05:06] heh [05:06] I shouldn't lauch [05:06] laugh [05:06] Yeah go ahead and laugh, I already know I suck. :'-( [05:07] nah [05:13] check out #674, can you guys help doing a test build on this? [05:13] ok, 2727 is fixed, 2726 looks easy, and I don't have amd64 to reproduce 2728 [05:15] bmonty_laptop: What do you need me to do? === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] install the source package and see if it will build [05:16] 2708 is done [05:17] bmonty_laptop: Currently or have you updated it? [05:17] bddebian: its a kernel module package, when you install it the source shows up in /usr/src [05:18] damn...the huskers won today and the local news is still giving them a hard time [05:18] The .tar.bz2 files shows up. Then what? :-) [05:19] untar it, cd into the modules dir, and make === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] bmonty_laptop: I don't have any kernel sources installed ;-P [05:21] Heya crimsun [05:21] heya bddebian [05:21] hello crimsun, robitaille [05:21] salut ajmitch [05:21] bddebian: yeah I had to install them....I'm wondering if linux-headers should be an install dependency [05:22] bmonty_laptop: Would make sense to me but I don't know shit ;-) [05:23] bddebian: it doesn't build even if the headers are installed, so no worries [05:23] bddebian: it starts to get irritating after awhile [05:24] ajmitch: What does? [05:24] < bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Would make sense to me but I don't know shit ;-) [05:24] heya ajmitch [05:24] & robitaille & bmonty_laptop [05:24] hi crimsun [05:25] bmonty_laptop: It expects gcc-3.4? [05:26] bddebian: yeah, I installed gcc-3.4, but it is looking for a script from the headers package that isn't there [05:27] Why is discover so far out of date? [05:27] ChangeLog: - Added workaround for scripts/modpost breakage (2.6 kernels only). [05:27] yeah right [05:28] bddebian: because discover isn't used? [05:28] yeah, we don't much care for discover [05:28] although I suppose you could ask for a sync from Sid if you really wanted it ;) [05:28] using it might even break your system [05:28] Well then reject the bug ;-P [05:29] It has lots of rdepends [05:30] hardly lots [05:30] Well, a few anyway :-) [05:30] why tell us to reject the bug if you're the one handling it? [05:31] Becuse I get yelled at when I update packages :-) [05:33] WTF is up with the guy that posted 2661?? :-) [05:33] umm [05:33] why do you say something is wrong with the submitter? [05:35] Not the submitter, just a long-ass comment :-) [05:35] so? [05:35] bddebian: close 2708 before I do KTHXBAI [05:35] Hey, just making sure it builds first [05:36] making sure it builds? you should have done that before you uploaded [05:36] Ya just never know with those damn buildds ;-P [05:36] I always build and test the desktop files first. sheesh. My laptop is a mess because of all ofthese damn packages. ;-) [05:39] ajmitch: What is 2661? Is that supposed to be a patch?? [05:39] considering it's in patch format, I'd say yes :P [05:40] Seems hideous :-) [05:41] well it's probably because he didn't make the patch correctly [05:42] and it includes all of the debian changes, not just ones he made [05:43] All open bugs (495) [05:43] looking better === ajmitch needs to get some food soon [05:44] ajmitch: Well that was what I was trying to get at.. :-) [05:45] you could have said it plainer then [05:48] you guys ever seen "grumpy old men"? [05:48] yeah [05:48] doesn't bddebian and ajmitch remind you of that flick :P [05:48] bmonty_laptop: Yep ;-P [05:48] Only I'm the only Old one :'-( [05:49] totally :-D [05:49] bmonty_laptop: I'm just a young'un [05:50] well, "Grumpy Old/Young Men" maybe? [05:52] NAMBLA === bddebian hides === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:55] "bddebian: schmuck ajmitch: moron" , man that just makes me laugh ;-) [05:55] Heh === janm [n=jm__@202.172.110.188] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] ajmitch: postinst-should-not-set-usr-doc-link ??? === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium cowers from bddebian [05:59] bddebian: yes, it means the package does evil things no longer allowed [05:59] ajmitch: Aye, so how would I fix it? :-) [05:59] rather eloquently put by the lintian warning, I could not put it better [05:59] tritium: ?? [06:00] your all-caps comment [06:00] bddebian: by removing the /usr/doc link, of course [06:00] bddebian: it might be created in one of a number of places [06:00] tritium: Oh, hehe :-) [06:01] so bddebian isn't just a grumpy old man, he's a dirty old man as well? [06:01] ajmitch: That's all I have to do is whack the ln -sf ../share/doc... stuff? [06:01] umm [06:01] considering that I don't know the context or the full line of what you're talking about [06:02] I can't really say [06:02] ln -sf ../share/doc/gsfonts-other /usr/doc/gsfonts-other [06:02] in postinst [06:02] right [06:02] that's evil [06:02] and must be torn out [06:03] it might have been valid 4 years ago but it's forbidden now [06:03] It also complains about gpl license format but it's not a gpl package afaict [06:03] which indicates that you need to do some digging === ajmitch doesn't understand why you're asking me [06:04] you're a *Master* of the Universe! [06:04] Bah, I'm just a Master Bater ;-P [06:05] we really didn't need to know that thanks [06:05] and with that.....good night all [06:05] bmonty_laptop: good time to leave ;) [06:05] night [06:05] bmonty_laptop: Gnight man [06:06] have fun === tritium shakes his head at bddebian [06:12] he's a worry [06:12] Now what did I do? [06:12] probably violates the CoC several times a day :) [06:12] heh [06:12] So fire me. ;-P [06:12] ok === ajmitch looks for matches [06:13] bddebian, if you're not fixing bugs with your ass, you're...well, never mind... [06:14] this channel is not work-safe anymore === bddebian thinks Malone should force user to put package version and distro release [06:14] ajmitch: Oh brother [06:14]