[12:08] <UbuntuOne> Hello people...anyone willing to join a Ubuntu support team?
[12:11] <spacey> what kind of support team?
[12:12] <spacey> be more specific :)
[12:12] <UbuntuOne> well, the support team would try to help users when they can't or don't know how to do something, direct them , etc :p
[12:14] <spacey> there is lots of support for ubuntu already?
[12:14] <crimsun> I missed the beginning of the conversation - what is this support team for, prospective MOTUs?
[12:14] <spacey> irc, mailinglists, forum?
[12:14] <UbuntuOne> live help and support tickets
[12:15] <spacey> support tickets in launchpad you mean?
[12:15] <spacey> live as IRL?
[12:15] <UbuntuOne> hm, go here and see: www.whereisanykey.com
[12:16] <spacey> UbuntuOne, launchpad has support tickets
[12:16] <spacey> IIRC
[12:18] <UbuntuOne> oh
[12:20] <spacey> https://launchpad.net/support
[12:20] <spacey> check that
[12:22] <UbuntuOne> still :p
[12:22] <UbuntuOne> I know
[12:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[12:36] <crimsun> hey, we can assign all desktop bugs to you now!
[12:38] <bddebian> You can?
[12:38] <crimsun> didn't you volunteer to handle 'em? :P
[12:38] <crimsun> (I'm joking, of course)
[12:42] <bddebian> Sure, why not ;-P
[12:45] <spayne> night all
[12:47] <ajmitch> hi
[12:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[12:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: you should take all the bugs, since you're the official Bug Master here
[12:48] <bddebian> crimsun: Are you on the desktop team?
[12:48] <crimsun> I haven't signed up yet
[12:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm nobody and you know it ;-)
[12:48] <ajmitch> bollocks
[12:48] <bddebian> Do either of you have an opinion on #902?  Looks like a user preference to me, more than a bug??
[12:49] <ajmitch> crimsun: is this the work of a 'nobody'? https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma
[12:49] <crimsun> I don't think so!
[12:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: see :P
[12:49] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[12:50] <ajmitch> I think dholbach should write that up in his MOTU report
[12:50] <bddebian> Adding a desktop file isn't exaclty l33t h4XX0r work ;-P
[12:50] <ajmitch> so?
[12:51] <ajmitch> it's still work
[12:51] <ajmitch> unlike what I do
[12:51] <havoc> gah, man page for mount says there's a /sbin/mount.smbfs but there isn't, mount isn't even in sbin
[12:51] <havoc> is that a 'bug'? ;)
[12:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: D00d, you have more activity than I do :-)
[12:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: but I've closed less bugs than you :P
[12:53] <ajmitch> once my syncs are done that's another 2
[12:54] <ajmitch> plus another bug in my package which I have to fix
[12:54] <ajmitch> & then there's the f-spot bug which I have to fix by patching gtk#
[12:55] <crimsun> havoc, patches for mount are welcome. :)
[12:55] <havoc> crimsun: installing the smbfs package fixed it ;)
[12:56] <crimsun> right
[12:56] <crimsun> I meant a patch for mount.8
[12:56] <crimsun> but in this case, the man page is correct
[12:57] <havoc> crimsun: assuming you install the rest of the packages, yes :)
[01:05] <bddebian> Damn I gotta get moving
[01:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Still no comment for 902??
[01:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, did you need me to comment?
[01:07] <bddebian> Just wondered if you thought it was valid?
[01:13] <bmonty> bddebian: I think you should set it to reject...the user can reopen it if it is still a valid concern
[01:13] <ajmitch> not everyone likes to reject bugs out of hand
[01:13] <ajmitch> especially as it's assigned to the gnome team
[01:14] <bmonty> ajmitch: I don't think it is out of hand, but I see your point
[01:15] <ajmitch> it's something that occurs, that the users doesn't like, that can be fixed
[01:15] <ajmitch> so why reject it? :)
[01:16] <bmonty> I don't think it can be fixed by changing the package, the user has to update their configs for gdm and the window manager
[01:16] <bmonty> the bug should probably be against the desktop preferences app
[01:17] <ajmitch> and is it our call to make? :P
[01:17] <bmonty> which it looks like it is :)
[01:17] <bmonty> ajmitch: if it is a universe package I would say yes
[01:17] <ajmitch> it's not
[01:18] <ajmitch> and some universe packages are still handled by specific teams if possible
[01:18] <bmonty> k, well the GNOME team should get crackin' :)
[01:19] <ajmitch> the gnome team has quite enough bugs to handle :P)
[01:25] <bddebian> bmonty: Fix wordtrans for me, it's pissing me off :-)
[01:31] <bddebian> So any time A user wants something, we just fix it? ;-P
[01:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, we go & dance in the street
[01:36] <ajmitch> since I want to hit 1000 karma by the end of the weekend :)
[01:37] <bddebian> Doh
[01:37] <bddebian> Holy shit, I'm Waaay behind you on karma.. :-(
[01:38] <crimsun> I haven't even gotten to triple digits yet
[01:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: nah, you'll catch up fast with today's effort
[01:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't think so.  I'm like 200 behind you.. :'-(
[01:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're up one bug for fixed at the moment
[01:41] <bddebian> Almost 2 ;-P
[01:41] <ajmitch> maybe 1 ;0
[01:42] <ajmitch> oh, I'd better fix my own bugs today :)
[01:43] <bddebian> Heh
[01:43] <ajmitch> at least between us we can burn through the bugs :)
[01:44] <bddebian> :-)
[02:05] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ping
[02:06] <ajmitch> Nafallo: pong
[02:06] <ajmitch> what's up?
[02:06] <Nafallo> can you reproduce that gajim bug?
[02:06] <ajmitch> Nafallo: no idea, I don't use gajim ;)
[02:06] <ajmitch> I just thought the IM team could handle it
[02:07] <Nafallo> oh. I thought you could since you subscribed :-)
[02:07] <ajmitch> nah
[02:07] <Nafallo> yes, gajim is MOTU-IM :-)
[02:07] <ajmitch> I just wanted to see what progress got made on it
[02:08] <Nafallo> well, I introduced that. now I just have to figure out exactally why the damn error appered :-/
[02:08] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:08] <ajmitch> lucky you ;)
[02:08] <Nafallo> fix one bug to get another really sucks :-P
[02:11] <bddebian> :-)
[02:14] <Nafallo> hmm, anyone using gajim with gpg-support? :-)
[02:14] <Nafallo> I need someone to talk to ;-)
[02:19] <bddebian> Bah
[02:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes?
[02:19] <ajmitch> bddebian: want the good news?
[02:19] <bddebian> No :-)
[02:20] <ajmitch> we're almost back at 500 bugs open
[02:20] <bddebian> w00t
[02:20] <ajmitch> so we're keeping even with the bugs that are coming in
[02:20] <ajmitch> 501/1042
[02:20] <ajmitch> just under half are open
[02:21] <ajmitch> Nafallo: thanks
[02:23] <Nafallo> ehm
[02:23] <Nafallo> bddebian: stop upload bugs PLEASE :-)
[02:23] <ajmitch> Nafallo: eh?
[02:24] <ajmitch> oh he's just doing .desktop fixes :P
[02:24] <Nafallo> ehm. we were talking about bugs and bddebian uploads another...
[02:24] <ajmitch> no wonder he's uploading so fast
[02:24] <Nafallo> is my parser broken? ;-)
[02:24] <bddebian> Hehe
[02:24] <ajmitch> he uploaded a package
[02:24] <ajmitch> we don't 'upload' bugs
[02:24] <ajmitch> true
[02:24] <Nafallo> some of us seems to do ;-)
[02:26] <bddebian> w00t 498
[02:28] <ajmitch> madman
[02:28] <bddebian> :-)
[02:29] <ajmitch> 72
[02:29] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma
[02:29] <ajmitch> I keep watch ;)
[02:30] <bddebian> I see my karma is still waaaay behind yours though :-)
[02:30] <ajmitch> it only gets updated once a day
[02:31] <bddebian> Ahh
[02:34] <Nafallo> ajmitch: would you do an usplash upload for me? infinity made a typo in -19.
[02:34] <ajmitch> no
[02:34] <ajmitch> I can't upload to main
[02:34] <crimsun> still?
[02:34] <Nafallo> oh?
[02:34] <crimsun> d'oh
[02:34] <Nafallo> dang
[02:34] <bddebian> Hmm, how can we have an avidemux bug when there is no avidemux binary in hoary or breezy?
[02:35] <ajmitch>  apt-cache madison avidemux
[02:35] <ajmitch>   avidemux | 1:2.0.40-0.0 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/multiverse Sources
[02:35] <ajmitch> :P
[02:35] <bddebian> I know
[02:35] <bddebian> But how is he running it? ;-)
[02:35] <ajmitch> so they *might* be using marillat binaries
[02:39] <bddebian> I can't even find a description of WTF it is ;-P
[02:46] <bddebian> What a surprise, it can't be built
[03:01] <Nafallo> *sigh*
[03:01] <Nafallo> now I'm stunned :-P
[03:20] <bddebian> Reject a bug on a package that has no possibility of being built?
[03:24] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: which one?
[03:27] <bddebian> 2731 avidemux
[03:27] <bmonty_laptop> the package doesn't build?
[03:30] <ajmitch> ask thesaltydog where he got the package from then
[03:30] <ajmitch> since he's the bug reporter :P
[03:59] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: It has build-deps that we will probably never get in.  The source has been there a while but the binary wasn't in breezy either
[03:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: You'll be happy to know that there probably aren't any more bugs that my dumb ass can fix :)
[03:59] <tritium> bddebian, shouldn't you be watching this awesome game?  ;)
[03:59] <bddebian> tritium: Which awesome game?
[04:00] <tritium> bddebian, Notre Dame dominating Purdue at Purdue :)
[04:01] <bddebian> Bah.. My alma mater is University of Phoenix ;-P
[04:01] <tritium> bddebian, you started at Purdue, did you not?
[04:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm sure there are more bugs, but I hope you're not fixing them with your ass
[04:02] <LaserJock> what about the USC, Arizona State game? That started out great.
[04:02] <bddebian> tritium: Yes
[04:02] <tritium> Yeah, great start to that one, LaserJock
[04:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: There are more bugs, I'm just too stupid to fix them
[04:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: please fix them by typing. fixing bugs with your ass leads to messy situations
[04:02] <bmonty_laptop> what is the correct build dep for a kernel module package that needs gcc-3.4 to build?
[04:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll be certain to make sure you get a good mention in this month's MOTU report
[04:11] <bddebian> pfft
[04:11] <ajmitch> you deserve it
[04:11] <ajmitch> your name will be famous :)
[04:12] <LaserJock> we should make a "Bddebian is a god" wiki page ;-)
[04:12] <bddebian> Heh, yeah right
[04:12] <bddebian> We aren't going to leap Debian for Universe packages are we?  I.E. #2383
[04:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: that can *not* be updated
[04:14] <ajmitch> these gnome team bugs are being handled :)
[04:14] <ajmitch> new mergeant version would require new versions of libs in main
[04:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: So don't touch it?
[04:15] <bmonty_laptop> if its a gnome team bug...leave it to the gnome team?
[04:15] <ajmitch> bddebian: dholbach & I already discussed this bug, sorry
[04:15] <ajmitch> we should have left a comment on it
[04:16] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: sometimes it can be a good idea
[04:16] <ajmitch> other times, MOTU are free to go wild
[04:17] <bmonty_laptop> guess it takes experience to know the difference
[04:17] <ajmitch> yeah, it can
[04:18] <ajmitch> eg certain people would lynch you if you started mucking up mono packages ;)
[04:19] <ajmitch> even though technically any MOTU could go & patch gtk# to fix 2210
[04:19] <ajmitch> it's not necessarily the best thing to do :)
[04:19] <bmonty_laptop> maybe malone needs a feature to track that
[04:20] <ajmitch> perhaps
[04:20] <ajmitch> or we could just take notice of who the bug is assigned to
[04:20] <bmonty_laptop> if it is assigned :)
[04:21] <bmonty_laptop> MOTU is a broad category though
[04:21] <ajmitch> yea
[04:24] <bddebian> Looks to me like 2195 is just a problem with the scribus.desktop file
[04:27] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: desktop file looks OK to me
[04:27] <slomo_> *yawn*
[04:27] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: It's wrong, I just tried it.  And after modifying it, it worked
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya slomo_
[04:27] <ajmitch> hey slomo_
[04:27] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: which category did you add?
[04:28] <slomo_> someone got a coffee for me? ;)
[04:28] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: I didn't.  The Type=Application is in the wrong place and I took the absolute path out of the icon
[04:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wtf is up with gnome-launch-box?
[04:29] <slomo_> it's completly broken
[04:30] <slomo_> you have to port it to the new gnome-menus api
[04:30] <bddebian> It's got the wrong deps :-)
[04:32] <slomo_> everybody looked at it... but without knowing that api it's unfixable... and upstream seems to be dead
[04:32] <ajmitch> slomo_: upstream isn't dead, they just haven't released ;)
[04:32] <slomo_> hm, there where no changes in the cvs since many months at the time i looked at it ;)
[04:35] <slomo_> hmm... where?
[04:39] <ajmitch> in the obvious place, on its website...
[04:39] <ajmitch> and it's in svn now
[04:39] <ajmitch> http://developer.imendio.com/svn/gnome-launch-box/trunk/ChangeLog
[04:39] <ajmitch> ok, last commit was 3 weeks ago
[04:39] <slomo_> hmm... weird... that's where i looked at the time i looked at the package
[04:39] <slomo_> and the last change were months ago...
[04:39] <slomo_> so maybe they got to work again ;)
[04:40] <ajmitch> website is http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/GNOME_Launch_Box
[04:40] <ajmitch> well there's a gap from 14/4 till 31/8
[04:41] <slomo_> ok, that's my "months" :) hm, i'll look at this package again tomorrow when noone fixes it before
[04:41] <ajmitch> I doubt anyone really wants to fix it before then ;)
[04:42] <slomo_> what did they change? moving to the new gnome-menus api or something useless?
[04:42] <slomo_> lol
[04:42] <slomo_> fine :)
[04:42] <bddebian> ;-P
[04:42] <slomo_> bddebian: so upload it and i'm happy :)
[04:42] <slomo_> how did you fix it? just took a newer svn version?
[04:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: so close the bug then
[04:46] <bddebian> I was kidding
[04:46] <bddebian> Sheesh :-)
[04:46] <ajmitch> ffs
[04:46] <slomo_> lol
[04:46] <bddebian> ffs?
[04:46] <slomo_> nice one ;) anyway... i get to sleep now and when nothing about gnome-launch-box is on breezy-changes tomorrow i'll take a look again :P
[04:46] <ajmitch> expression of annoyance
[04:47] <slomo_> good night everybode :)
[04:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: hurry up & fix it then
[04:47] <bddebian> Later slomo_
[04:47] <ajmitch> night slomo_
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Don't I have to wait for Debian? ;-)
[04:47] <ajmitch> you sorely test my patience at times :P
[04:49] <bddebian> I'm being a little bit serious.  What is the justification for bypassing Debian on upstream versions?
[04:49] <bddebian> s/justification/policy
[04:49] <ajmitch> only when needed
[04:49] <ajmitch> and this is packaged by seb128 in debian
[04:50] <bddebian> Well then kick him in the ass. ;-)
[04:50] <bmonty_laptop> can you guys download packages from us.archive.ubuntu.com, I'm getting 404 errors
[04:50] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: I just have archive.u.c now so I never know :-)
[04:51] <bddebian> OK, 2735.  I don't see even source for user-mode-linux so how was he able to post this bug?
[04:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: umm
[04:51] <ajmitch> other packages refer to user-mode-linuz
[04:51] <ajmitch> and I saw some source that used to be in the archive, iirc
[04:52] <bmonty_laptop> isn't the source package uml?
[04:52] <bddebian> apt-cache madison is empty
[04:52] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Not in Debian
[04:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: WTF are you talking about??? :-)
[04:54] <ajmitch> probably just because I've got it installed from long ago
[04:56] <bddebian> Hmm, 2727.  Shouldn't socks4-server depend libsocks4 ?
[04:56] <ajmitch> yes, working on it
[04:56] <ajmitch> :P
[04:56] <bddebian> Dick :-)
[04:57] <bddebian> Would bringing in user-mode-linux break stuff?
[04:57] <ajmitch> yes
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: You fixing 2428 too? ;-)
[04:57] <bmonty_laptop> grrr...its a little hard to work on packages when the archives aren't working :(
[04:58] <ajmitch> sure, I'll fix launchpad bugs
[04:59] <bddebian> Oops, I meant 2728
[04:59] <ajmitch> might as well try
[05:00] <bddebian> You ROCK d00d :-)
[05:00] <ajmitch> no, I don't
[05:02] <bddebian> Yes, you do
[05:04] <ajmitch> if I'm fixing 2727 & 2728, I might as well do 2726
[05:04] <ajmitch> they're all for the same package
[05:04] <ajmitch> won't that help my karma? ;)
[05:04] <ajmitch> 2700 is unfixable for now, btw
[05:05] <ajmitch> and why is 2692 still open?
[05:05] <bddebian> I cannot make that bastard install the files for the life of me :-(
[05:06] <ajmitch> heh
[05:06] <ajmitch> I shouldn't lauch
[05:06] <ajmitch> laugh
[05:06] <bddebian> Yeah go ahead and laugh, I already know I suck. :'-(
[05:07] <ajmitch> nah
[05:13] <bmonty_laptop> check out #674, can you guys help doing a test build on this?
[05:13] <ajmitch> ok, 2727 is fixed, 2726 looks easy, and I don't have amd64 to reproduce 2728
[05:15] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: What do you need me to do?
[05:16] <bmonty_laptop> install the source package and see if it will build
[05:16] <bddebian> 2708 is done
[05:17] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Currently or have you updated it?
[05:17] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: its a kernel module package, when you install it the source shows up in /usr/src
[05:18] <bmonty_laptop> damn...the huskers won today and the local news is still giving them a hard time
[05:18] <bddebian> The .tar.bz2 files shows up.  Then what? :-)
[05:19] <bmonty_laptop> untar it, cd into the modules dir, and make
[05:21] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: I don't have any kernel sources installed ;-P
[05:21] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[05:21] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[05:21] <ajmitch> hello crimsun, robitaille
[05:21] <robitaille> salut ajmitch
[05:21] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: yeah I had to install them....I'm wondering if linux-headers should be an install dependency
[05:22] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Would make sense to me but I don't know shit ;-)
[05:23] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: it doesn't build even if the headers are installed, so no worries
[05:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: it starts to get irritating after awhile
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: What does?
[05:24] <ajmitch> < bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Would make sense to me but I don't know shit ;-)
[05:24] <crimsun> heya ajmitch
[05:24] <crimsun> & robitaille & bmonty_laptop
[05:24] <bmonty_laptop> hi crimsun
[05:25] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: It expects gcc-3.4?
[05:26] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: yeah, I installed gcc-3.4, but it is looking for a script from the headers package that isn't there
[05:27] <bddebian> Why is discover so far out of date?
[05:27] <bmonty_laptop> ChangeLog:    - Added workaround for scripts/modpost breakage (2.6 kernels only).
[05:27] <bmonty_laptop> yeah right
[05:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: because discover isn't used?
[05:28] <crimsun> yeah, we don't much care for discover
[05:28] <crimsun> although I suppose you could ask for a sync from Sid if you really wanted it ;)
[05:28] <ajmitch> using it might even break your system
[05:28] <bddebian> Well then reject the bug ;-P
[05:29] <bddebian> It has lots of rdepends
[05:30] <ajmitch> hardly lots
[05:30] <bddebian> Well, a few anyway :-)
[05:30] <ajmitch> why tell us to reject the bug if you're the one handling it?
[05:31] <bddebian> Becuse I get yelled at when I update packages :-)
[05:33] <bddebian> WTF is up with the guy that posted 2661?? :-)
[05:33] <ajmitch> umm
[05:33] <ajmitch> why do you say something is wrong with the submitter?
[05:35] <bddebian> Not the submitter, just a long-ass comment :-)
[05:35] <ajmitch> so?
[05:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: close 2708 before I do KTHXBAI
[05:35] <bddebian> Hey, just making sure it builds first
[05:36] <ajmitch> making sure it builds? you should have done that before you uploaded
[05:36] <bddebian> Ya just never know with those damn buildds ;-P
[05:36] <bddebian> I always build and test the desktop files first. sheesh.  My laptop is a mess because of all ofthese damn packages. ;-)
[05:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: What is 2661?  Is that supposed to be a patch??
[05:39] <ajmitch> considering it's in patch format, I'd say yes :P
[05:40] <bddebian> Seems hideous :-)
[05:41] <ajmitch> well it's probably because he didn't make the patch correctly
[05:42] <ajmitch> and it includes all of the debian changes, not just ones he made
[05:43] <ajmitch>  All open bugs  (495)
[05:43] <ajmitch> looking better
[05:44] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well that was what I was trying to get at.. :-)
[05:45] <ajmitch> you could have said it plainer then
[05:48] <bmonty_laptop> you guys ever seen "grumpy old men"?
[05:48] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:48] <bmonty_laptop> doesn't bddebian and ajmitch remind you of that flick :P
[05:48] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Yep ;-P
[05:48] <bddebian> Only I'm the only Old one :'-(
[05:49] <LaserJock> totally :-D
[05:49] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: I'm just a young'un
[05:50] <LaserJock> well, "Grumpy Old/Young Men" maybe?
[05:52] <bddebian> NAMBLA
[05:55] <LaserJock> "bddebian: schmuck         ajmitch: moron" , man that just makes me laugh ;-)
[05:55] <bddebian> Heh
[05:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: postinst-should-not-set-usr-doc-link ???
[05:59] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, it means the package does evil things no longer allowed
[05:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, so how would I fix it? :-)
[05:59] <ajmitch> rather eloquently put by the lintian warning, I could not put it better
[05:59] <bddebian> tritium: ??
[06:00] <tritium> your all-caps comment
[06:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: by removing the /usr/doc link, of course
[06:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: it might be created in one of a number of places
[06:00] <bddebian> tritium: Oh, hehe :-)
[06:01] <ajmitch> so bddebian isn't just a grumpy old man, he's a dirty old man as well?
[06:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: That's all I have to do is whack the ln -sf ../share/doc... stuff?
[06:01] <ajmitch> umm
[06:01] <ajmitch> considering that I don't know the context or the full line of what you're talking about
[06:02] <ajmitch> I can't really say
[06:02] <bddebian>  ln -sf ../share/doc/gsfonts-other /usr/doc/gsfonts-other
[06:02] <bddebian> in postinst
[06:02] <ajmitch> right
[06:02] <ajmitch> that's evil
[06:02] <ajmitch> and must be torn out
[06:03] <ajmitch> it might have been valid 4 years ago but it's forbidden now
[06:03] <bddebian> It also complains about gpl license format but it's not a gpl package afaict
[06:03] <ajmitch> which indicates that you need to do some digging
[06:04] <ajmitch> you're a *Master* of the Universe!
[06:04] <bddebian> Bah, I'm just a Master Bater ;-P
[06:05] <ajmitch> we really didn't need to know that thanks
[06:05] <bmonty_laptop> and with that.....good night all
[06:05] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: good time to leave ;)
[06:05] <ajmitch> night
[06:05] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Gnight man
[06:06] <bmonty_laptop> have fun
[06:12] <ajmitch> he's a worry
[06:12] <bddebian> Now what did I do?
[06:12] <ajmitch> probably violates the CoC several times a day :)
[06:12] <tritium> heh
[06:12] <bddebian> So fire me. ;-P
[06:12] <ajmitch> ok
[06:13] <tritium> bddebian, if you're not fixing bugs with your ass, you're...well, never mind...
[06:14] <ajmitch> this channel is not work-safe anymore
[06:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh brother
[06:14] <bddebian> tritium: ;-P
[06:14] <ajmitch> I wonder what my boss would think if he saw bddebian was a NAMBLA member? ;)
[06:15] <bddebian> I never said I was a member. :-)
[06:15] <ajmitch> no, you didn't admit it *outright*
[06:21] <bddebian> Yes I'm weird but no, I'm not a NAMBLA member :-)
[06:22] <tritium> That's good, or ajmitch might have taken down that bddebian shrine he put up
[06:22] <ajmitch> s/taken/burnt/
[06:22] <bddebian> heh
[06:23] <bddebian> There is no shrine believe me :-)
[06:23] <ajmitch> why do you say that?
[06:24] <bddebian> What a surprise, droidbattles ftbfss
[06:25] <ajmitch> no kidding
[06:25] <ajmitch> I was doing that one earlier
[06:26] <bddebian> Heh
[06:26] <bddebian> Did you change build-deps from qt3-compat-headers to just qt3-headers?
[06:27] <bddebian> Err libqt3...
[06:27] <ajmitch> well I added libqt3-headers
[06:27] <ajmitch> which didn't seem to help it much
[06:27] <bddebian> No, the calls to PlatinumStyle are jacked :-)
[06:27] <ajmitch> and then I got distracted by another shiny thing
[06:27] <ajmitch> it #includes <qplatinumstyle.h> which is in libqt3-headers
[06:27] <ajmitch> and I left it at that
[06:28] <ajmitch> couldn't be bothered fixing it ;)
[06:28] <bddebian> Aye but the .. Oh never mind :-)
[06:29] <ajmitch> the 'OOoh shiny!' effect of too much caffiene kicked in
[06:30] <bddebian> Heh
[06:50] <bddebian> WTH should the X11 include and lib dirs be these days??
[07:13] <bddebian> I give up.  Gnight folks
[07:13] <ajmitch> fine, good night
[07:13] <bddebian> Heh
[07:13] <tritium> good night, bddebian
[07:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: Don't worry I have a list to try to knock out tomorrow ;-P
[07:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: hand me the list, I'll get them fixed :)
[07:15] <bddebian> battledroids, xfonts-jmk, and Idon't remember the others..
[07:15] <ajmitch> droidsbattle
[07:15] <bddebian> whatever
[07:15] <ajmitch> which is moderately crap
[07:15] <bddebian> Yep
[07:15] <bddebian> Oh I was gonna look at attal too
[07:15] <bddebian> Which is also probably crap :)
[07:15] <ajmitch> I'll add them to my todo list, I might get 1 or 2 done
[07:16] <bddebian> Heh.  Later folks
[07:16] <bddebian> Gnight tritium
[07:16] <ajmitch> night
[07:16] <ajmitch> 494 still open, not too bad though
[07:38] <ormandj> hello everyone :)
[07:38] <Yagisan> G'day
[07:38] <Trashcan> hey
[07:38] <ormandj> mdz suggested i stopped by and introduced myself. here i am :)
[07:38] <ormandj> how is everybody doing?
[07:39] <LaserJock> fine, and you?
[07:39] <Yagisan> Well - I'm fighting with heat issues in my server today
[07:39] <ajmitch> hi
[07:39] <Yagisan> 30C outside, and inside - I could fry an egg
[07:40] <ormandj> doing wonderful minus some ldap-headaches ;) we've had a bit of a storm over the past two days here in hawaii (kenneth) but it's clearing up finally
[07:40] <ormandj> hehe yagi, you live in aussieland or such? noticed a lot of people there find 30c hot :P
[07:40] <ajmitch> 30C *is* hot
[07:40] <ivoks> :/
[07:40] <ivoks> what about 39? :))
[07:40] <ormandj> when i was living in dallas, i saw it reach 49c :P
[07:41] <ivoks> ormandj: ?
[07:41] <Yagisan> ormandj: I'm in Sydney - Austalia - 15-20 minute walk to the Olympic site
[07:41] <ajmitch> that's impossible to live in :)
[07:41] <ormandj> Yagisan, how did i know it? :)
[07:41] <Yagisan> and it's just getting started
[07:41] <ivoks> ormandj: are you sure it wasn't F?
[07:41] <ormandj> ajmitch, naa, not at all, everybody has A/C in texas :)
[07:41] <ormandj> ivoks: 121f
[07:41] <Yagisan> I expect it will hit 40C this summer
[07:41] <ivoks> ormandj: you can't fet that temp. in desert
[07:42] <ivoks> s/fet/find/
[07:42] <ivoks> hm... strange typo
[07:42] <ivoks> i guess typing in bed isn't such a good idea
[07:42] <ormandj> ivoks: you must never have been to texas lol :P you can go outside and cook things on the asphault. dallas (dfw) is around 9 million in popuplation for the city, so be assured it's huge, and that much asphault + texas sun = 49c
[07:42] <ajmitch> ormandj: so how are you wanting to help out the MOTU team?
[07:43] <ivoks> ormandj: ah, man... americans :)
[07:43] <ormandj> ajmitch, yes. i made a wiki page/etc as directed by the site/mdz
[07:43] <ivoks> temperature is messured in shade
[07:43] <ivoks> not on the sun
[07:43] <ormandj> ivoks: i've lived in foriegn countries more than i lived in usa :P but now i'm happily inside hawaii
[07:43] <ormandj> ivoks: well, the shaded temp is normally not a whole lot less in dallas, because the asphault holds the heat
[07:43] <tambaqui> :)
[07:44] <ivoks> ormandj: trust me, it is...
[07:44] <ivoks> it's at least 10 degrees lower
[07:44] <ormandj> ivoks: well the "real" measured temp on that day was 112f
[07:44] <ivoks> i know what's the temperature like on asphault
[07:45] <ormandj> that's 44c :)
[07:45] <Trashcan> I'm in AZ.. it's capping about 110-115 this month
[07:45] <Trashcan> :(
[07:45] <ormandj> ajmitch, let me find you the link, one moment
[07:45] <ajmitch> ormandj: that's wonderful that you've done a wiki page, but what areas are you interested in? :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> ok..
[07:46] <ormandj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DavidJOrman
[07:46] <ormandj> the wiki covers it. basically, the LAMP software
[07:47] <ormandj> Trashcan, i feel your pain. :) how's gas there?
[07:48] <Trashcan> > $3
[07:48] <ajmitch> why do you say that mysql 4.1 isn't in breezy?
[07:48] <ivoks_> eh
[07:48] <Trashcan> The gas evened out for a short while, but it went up again recently
[07:48] <ajmitch> apt-cache show mysql-server-4.1
[07:48] <Trashcan> :(
[07:48] <ivoks_> loosy wifi :)
[07:48] <ormandj> ajmitch, i should be more specific
[07:48] <ormandj> nothing links to libmysql14
[07:48] <Trashcan> (good thing I don't drive :D)
[07:48] <ormandj> everything is linked to libmysql12
[07:48] <ivoks> you see... it isn't 49
[07:48] <ivoks> exclude asphault, and you will get bellow 40
[07:48] <ivoks> we have 40C here every summer
[07:48] <ormandj> so while 4.1 might be in breezy, none of the packages i look at utilize it
[07:49] <ormandj> ivoks: 44 is close enough to "way too hot" for me :P
[07:49] <ivoks> it is
[07:49] <ormandj> ajmitch, when i made bug reports, i was told it's too late to fix it in breezy :)
[07:49] <Trashcan> So, what job might an intermediate-advanced programmer have in package maintainance?
[07:49] <ajmitch> ormandj: right, and that won't be changing before release :)
[07:50] <ormandj> yes. so i wanted to join up to make sure these kinds of things don't occur :) not being rude or disrespectful of course, i just feel like Ubuntu hasn't really put much effort into the server-side of things, and i'd like to apply myself/my employees to get that done
[07:50] <ajmitch> Trashcan: general bug fixing & new packages :)
[07:50] <Trashcan> hmm.. so it's not necessarily the job of the original developer to keep bugs up by himself
[07:51] <Trashcan> forgive me, I'm rather new to the whole open source development scene :)
[07:51] <ajmitch> Trashcan: well we often can't rely on the upstream developer actually fixing things in the timeframe needed :)
[07:51] <ormandj> without being an expert on debs, i'd venture to say rebuilding all the applications using mysql to link to the "stable" release (that has been for 1 year) should not be too much effort. i'd just like to make sure all little inconsistancies like that are fixed for next release :)
[07:52] <ajmitch> ormandj: not a large problem, really
[07:52] <ormandj> i just found it odd that php5 would be added (way more "bleeding edge" than mysql 4.1) and in fact look like the default version, but be linked to an old icky mysql ;)
[07:52] <ormandj> ajmitch, well, i guess it depends on how you look at it. :) for me, it's a huge problem with a 3800 server deployment
[07:53] <ormandj> so i'm learning to build debs and i'm going to fix it on my installbase
[07:53] <ajmitch> alright
[07:53] <ormandj> i just didn't want other people who rely on it in the datacenter universe to have the same issue, because i deal with them day in and day out, and it's been a major complaint
[07:53] <Yagisan> ormandj: probably because it came from debian like that
[07:53] <ormandj> Yagisan, that was my guess :)
[07:54] <ajmitch> ormandj: it'll mainly be build-dependency changes
[07:54] <ormandj> i just wanted to come and help and get little things like that fixed, so they werent an issue in the future
[07:54] <ormandj> ajmitch: that was my guess
[07:54] <ajmitch> so debian/control & debian/changelog to fix
[07:54] <Yagisan> ormandj: and some testing to make sure that no regressions occur
[07:55] <ormandj> Yagisan, understood :) i'm pretty handy with documentation so i wasn't all too worried about rebuilding the debs to suit. i just had little niggles with ubuntu like this throughout, just little things, like outdated dovecot, etc, and i thought maybe if i offered my assistance it would improve ubuntu
[07:56] <ormandj> but there is no point offering if it isn't perceived as a problem that needs fixing. ;)
[07:57] <ajmitch> when was dovecot 1.0 released?
[07:57] <Yagisan> ormandj: Updates are always welcome - but there is a release in two weeks - so the MOTU's are stabilising at the moment
[07:57] <ormandj> ajmitch, aug 18
[07:58] <ormandj> Yagisan, nono, i understand why it's not going into this release completely :)
[07:58] <ajmitch> ormandj: upstream version freeze started in july, so an exception would have been required to get it in
[07:58] <ormandj> Yagisan, but mysql 4.1 has been stable for a year now, it's not that there wasn't enough time to link things to it :)
[07:58] <ormandj> ajmitch, well, the bug report got assigned for dovecot, so i'm assuming it's going to be fixed
[07:58] <ormandj> ajmitch, .99 has huge issues :)
[07:59] <ajmitch> getting a UVF exception 10 days out from release might be hard :)
[07:59] <ajmitch> a bug being assigned means that someone is aware of it
[07:59] <ormandj> Yagisan, i've been "informally" told the reason mysql 4.0 was still linked is the debian guys didn't want the hassel of explaining the differences in authentication lol. :) so they pushed it back year+
[08:00] <ajmitch> and you filed a bug just last week on dovecot?
[08:00] <ormandj> ajmitch, ahh, i see. well, it's really a non-issue. i was just citing some examples. i understand release engineering so not griping about missing this release with little things like dovecot, as that was a recent change
[08:00] <ajmitch> mmm, 1.0 alpha 3
[08:00] <ajmitch> not a 1.0 release yet
[08:00] <ormandj> ajmitch, dovecot _has_ no release yet ;)
[08:01] <ormandj> it's one of those projects that probably never will, the programmers don't understand design phases i think.
[08:01] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:01] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:01] <ajmitch> so we'll see alpha 19..
[08:01] <ormandj> at a minimum
[08:01] <ormandj> when they get into exponential notation, you know it's bad
[08:02] <ajmitch> additional digits of pi..
[08:02] <ormandj> hehe
[08:02] <Trashcan> Well I've subscribed to the ubuntu-devel list. I'll see what I can do in terms of testing and bug fixing :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> Trashcan: launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs if you want something to look at ;)
[08:03] <ormandj> well, you asked my reason for wanting in, now you know it. i'm interested in improving the server-side offerings of ubuntu (however that might be accomplished), cited one _big_ example *mysql 4.0 vs 4.1* of what i saw to be a rather disappointing failure of debian developers to "get with it", and my offer still stands, in whatever capacity i can help
[08:03] <ajmitch> ormandj: certainly, your help is welcome
[08:04] <Trashcan> cool, thanks ajmitch :D
[08:04] <ajmitch> ormandj: at this stage of the release we're just a little busy with bugfixing (as you can see from that URL)
[08:04] <ajmitch> ormandj: you could check out rebuilding packages against libmysqlclient14 & report success/failure so we can do it ASAP for dapper
[08:04] <ormandj> ajmitch, yesyes, when i rolled out hawaii's accounting and financial management system updates this year, it was quite the same amount of busyness :P
[08:05] <Trashcan> wow.... that is quite a few bugs :\
[08:05] <ajmitch> Trashcan: that's universe, several thousand packages
[08:05] <ormandj> ajmitch: ok. once i finish sorting out my LDAP issues i'll get into doing that
[08:05] <Yagisan> Trashcan: don't worry - I'm sure I can add some more :-P
[08:05] <ormandj> ajmitch, do i just report to here/you/whomever concerning it?
[08:05] <ajmitch> Yagisan: please do, we need more backbreaking work
[08:05] <Trashcan> lol
[08:06] <ajmitch> ormandj: yeah, or you could use the wiki for now
[08:06] <ormandj> ok. this kinda the process for joining into the MOTU? do work then if people like ya you could get in? lol
[08:06] <ajmitch> more or less ;)
[08:06] <ajmitch> do work, apply for upload rights
[08:06] <ormandj> hehe, well, it seems as good a method as any
[08:06] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no worries - I was harassing Kaimon with installer bugs - but if you like - I can turn my attention back to you :)
[08:07] <ajmitch> we generally try & regularly review people's work & sponsor upload
[08:08] <ormandj> if you'll excuse me a moment, my parasitic infection (otherwise known as gf) has cooked for me, and if i don't go and eat, she'll eat away at my leg or something and i'll be crippled
[08:08] <Trashcan> lawl
[08:09] <ormandj> ajmitch, very nice. thank you for your help, i will be back soon and as you have time we'll talk more :)
[08:09] <Yagisan> ormandj: yah - but you can still code
[08:09] <ajmitch> alright, see you later :)
[08:09] <Yagisan> see you later
[08:09] <ormandj> Yagisan, dunno if you read my wiki, but you know....losing a leg is preferable to programming in OS/VS cobol :P
[08:09] <Trashcan> !tell me about colony
[08:09] <ormandj> on punchcards no less
[08:09] <Trashcan> oops, wrong chan
[08:09] <ajmitch> Trashcan: no bots here sorry :)
[08:09] <Trashcan> how did I get switched :)
[08:10] <Trashcan> bah.. silly bot
[08:16] <Yagisan> anyone know why in breezy I have /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-k8/volatile mounted as tmpfs ?
[08:16] <Yagisan> I certainly didn't add that to fstab
[08:17] <crimsun> it's necessary.
[08:17] <crimsun> Everyone has it. It's the new kernel way.
[08:18] <Yagisan> why ?
[08:18] <Yagisan> (yes - I've just upgraded)
[08:18] <ajmitch> Yagisan: because that's how they're doing it, I don't know why :)
[08:18] <mikhail^> ajmitch: I've already submitted the patch upstream, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331117 regarding adding configuration file support for longrun.
[08:18] <ajmitch> mikhail^: ok
[08:19] <ormandj> hey crimsun, not to pry, but is there any reason the archives seem so unstable? this is the second time i've come on irc, and both times it's been down, lol :P
[08:19] <Yagisan> ormandj: it's happened to Sundays in a row
[08:19] <Yagisan> atabout the same time
[08:19] <ormandj> always apache dying too
[08:19] <Yagisan> probally a cron script or something
[08:19] <Yagisan> almost same time
[08:20] <Yagisan> it stopped my i386 chroot install
[08:20] <ormandj> hope they resolve it, it'll be a bit silly if this is re-occuring and simple but they leave it broken :P
[08:20] <crimsun> it's already fixed.
[08:20] <crimsun> probably something in a cron job is causing apache2 to barf
[08:20] <ormandj> crimsun: perm? or will it happen again next time i come on irc? :P
[08:20] <Yagisan> hooray - my downloads resumed :)
[08:20] <ajmitch> ormandj: I doubt such a serious problem will stay broken like that
[08:21] <ormandj> ajmitch, hehe, i'm sure you are correct :)
[08:22] <ormandj> ten minutes, a flashlight and some duct tape would solve a broken cronjob :P
[08:22] <Trashcan> :p
[08:27] <mikhail^> who here has a Transmeta based processor in their system?
[08:40] <ormandj> ajmitch, i'm hacking up a simple php script to test repositories to see if they are up/down, it'd be trivial to change it to make the output look pretty, ill send it your way when i'm done
[08:40] <ormandj> something that could possibly be added to ubuntu's page in the future, or maybe the error messages in the updater/installer/etc
[08:45] <ajmitch> it's not something that should be needed :)
[08:45] <ormandj> i agree, but seeing as they are down every week at least once.. :P well, actually, just did it to show a guy in #ubuntu who said it couldn't be done in php shorter than in bash lol :P
[08:46] <ajmitch> every week? it's happened twice :P
[08:46] <ormandj> ajmitch, i do think making the error messages in the update manager more human readable "linux for human beings" style would be a good change though
[08:46] <ormandj> with an option to click for the *real* messages for the power-users
[08:47] <ormandj> that way my grandmother doesn't call when repos are down, crying that she broke her computer :P
[08:47] <ajmitch> wishlist bugs in bugzilla :)
[08:48] <ormandj> jaja. :P
[08:49] <ormandj> isprvit, leneul mai mult alearg..
[08:49] <ormandj> er, sorry, wrong channel
[09:04] <ormandj> bbiab, thanks again for all of your help ajmitch
[09:21] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[09:21] <ajmitch> what's up?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> ahh just having some nice weekend surfing that is not work related
[09:25] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:26] <ajmitch> fun :)
[09:26] <ajmitch> so when do you expect to hear about the job?
[09:55] <\sh> moins
[09:58] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: probably by tommorow or tuesday
[09:59] <jsgotangco> i'll brb im gonna whip up some snacks for my kid
[09:59] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:03] <ajmitch> moening \sh
[10:03] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[10:04] <ajmitch> how are you?
[10:05] <\sh> my back is paining and my head feels like I had a party last night...
[10:05] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:05] <ajmitch> what did you get up to?
[10:05] <ajmitch> too much to drink? ;)
[10:07] <\sh> ajmitch: no...I had to work yesterday in our DC...rackmounting servers, configure them using yast and testing them
[10:08] <ajmitch> ugh
[10:08] <\sh> and yast gave me really a big headache
[10:10] <\sh> I hope i can catch up with u guys today...
[10:10] <ajmitch> :)
[10:11] <ajmitch> you could catch up in 15 minutes to all of us
[10:13] <\sh> nah I have to wake up first ;)
[10:14] <ajmitch> ok, 10 min once you're awake ;)
[10:15] <\sh> lol
[10:21] <\sh> so..whats left for me...
[10:25] <ajmitch> about 500 bugs & countless packages to fix ;)
[10:28] <\sh> ajmitch: woah...lets see ;)
[10:30] <\sh> hmmm...I have to wash my clothes today :(
[10:32] <\sh> lol
[10:43] <sivang> morning all
[10:44] <ajmitch> hi sivang
[10:44] <sivang> hey ajmitch , how's it cracking? :-)
[10:44] <ajmitch> I see rob^ made a page about bddebian being a god ;)
[10:45] <\sh> ajmitch: where?
[10:46] <sivang> ajmitch: where is it?
[10:46] <sivang> and what did bddebian do? :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> he hasn't seen it :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod
[10:47] <ajmitch> because of: https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma
[10:47] <sivang> lol
[10:47] <sivang> wow, he HAS been busy
[10:47] <sivang> ajmitch: what do you mean? :)
[10:48] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ajmitch/+karma
[10:48] <ajmitch> we were pretty even with bug fixing throughout the day
[10:48] <sivang> wow nice, shame on me I've been busy all weekend with moving apartments and stuff :-(
[10:48] <ajmitch> closed probably 30 or so between us
[10:48] <ajmitch> maybe more
[10:49] <\sh> ajmitch: just stucked now...listening to jdubs interview ;)
[10:50] <ajmitch> heh I listened to that as soon as it wsa up last night ;)
[10:50] <sivang> \sh: what is the interview about?
[10:50] <\sh> ah...motu now ;)
[10:50] <ajmitch> the awesome MOTUs, including dholbach
[10:50] <sivang> cool
[11:07] <\sh> shower, breakfast, washing clothes
[11:07] <ajmitch> then bug fixing so we can all relax?
[11:07] <Trashcan> :)
[11:08] <Trashcan> so I take it the majority here are coders?
[11:08] <ajmitch> some of us dabble in code :)
[11:20] <dholbach> hi
[11:20] <ajmitch> hey dholbach!
[11:21] <dholbach> hellas andrew
[11:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: you're famous now :)
[11:21] <dholbach> really?
[11:21] <dholbach> how comes?
[11:21] <ajmitch> listened to jdub's interview?
[11:21] <dholbach> erm
[11:21] <dholbach> erm.....
[11:21] <ajmitch> :)
[11:21] <dholbach> where could i have been listening to it?
[11:21] <ajmitch> the fridge
[11:21] <ajmitch> where all the cool people hang out
[11:22] <dholbach> i see :)
[11:22] <ajmitch> got any plans for the monthly MOTU report?
[11:22] <dholbach> no, not yet
[11:22] <dholbach> we should add some crack to a wiki page
[11:22] <ajmitch> too busy?
[11:23] <dholbach> so i can write and translate it (for some german forum guys)
[11:23] <ajmitch> like this page -  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod
[11:23] <Trashcan> wtf
[11:23] <ajmitch> Trashcan: ?
[11:24] <Trashcan> BddebianIsAGod?
[11:24] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:24] <ajmitch> dholbach might understand :)
[11:24] <dholbach> haha :)
[11:24] <dholbach> excellent
[11:24] <Trashcan> *whoosh* over my head
[11:24] <Trashcan> :)
[11:24] <crimsun> just check out his karma
[11:25] <ajmitch> it come from this comment:
[11:25] <ajmitch> 15:10 < ajmitch> bddebian: I'll be certain to make sure you get a good mention in this month's MOTU report
[11:25] <dholbach> hehe :)
[11:26] <Trashcan> what's your name on the wiki?
[11:27] <ajmitch> why?
[11:27] <Trashcan> so i can look at your karma :)
[11:27] <ajmitch> oh, karma isn't on the wiki
[11:27] <Trashcan> :(
[11:27] <Trashcan> ahh im thinking of
[11:27] <ajmitch> it's on launchpad
[11:27] <Trashcan> ...the other site
[11:27] <Trashcan> launchpad
[11:27] <Trashcan> thank you..
[11:27] <Trashcan> its 2:30am, don't look at me :)
[11:28] <ajmitch> my karma is just https://launchpad.net/people/ajmitch/+karma
[11:28] <Trashcan> 74 bugs fixed
[11:28] <Trashcan> bravo
[11:28] <ajmitch> there's a few more I could close if syncs were done
[11:29] <Trashcan> Matt Barnard
[11:29] <Trashcan>  Karma:  0
[11:29] <Trashcan> :D
[11:29] <ajmitch> is that you?
[11:29] <Trashcan> yessir
[11:31] <Trashcan> Oh boy... Ubuntu Core Development Team
[11:31] <Trashcan> yeah.. i see you dabble a bit
[11:31] <ajmitch> heh
[11:34] <dholbach> man... that's not remotely true :)
[11:35] <Trashcan> :p
[11:35] <ajmitch> that was a close one.. :)
[11:37] <\sh> wow...that was a shower
[11:37] <\sh> moins daniel :)
[11:38] <dholbach> hey \sh
[11:40] <ajmitch> haha
[11:41] <ajmitch> Trashcan: don't let number of teams I'm in be the criteria for judging :)
[11:41] <\sh> no joke...I have to go to office around 13 UTC looks like there are some problems
[11:41] <ajmitch> dholbach does *way* more stuff in main
[11:41] <Trashcan> :)
[11:41] <dholbach> i only appears so :-p
[11:41] <ajmitch> Trashcan: dholbach is one of the main GNOME maintainers for ubuntu
[11:42] <Trashcan> do you guys actually go to an office to work, or is it entirely online?
[11:42] <\sh> so I can go directly from my flat, to a bakery grab some cake and go straight to the office
[11:42] <dholbach> poor \sh :(
[11:42] <Trashcan> ah so now I know who to yell at for not having any NASM syntax files :)
[11:42] <ajmitch> Trashcan: since most of us here are volunteers, we work from home :)
[11:42] <Trashcan> alright
[11:43] <ajmitch> Trashcan: nearly all of the crew for universe are community members & volunteers
[11:43] <Trashcan> wow
[11:43] <ajmitch> and over half of the uploaders for main are community people now
[11:43] <Trashcan> :o
[11:43] <\sh> dholbach: no..don't do that...it means..I will have a beer now ;)
[11:44] <ajmitch> \sh: mmm, a beer would be really nice right now
[11:44] <\sh> and dholbach please fix evolution, thx ;)
[11:44] <dholbach> \sh: what exactly?
[11:44] <dholbach> \sh: bug number?
[11:44] <Trashcan> <3 evolution
[11:44] <\sh> dholbach: sometimes it stops working...not crashing
[11:45] <dholbach> hrm
[11:45] <\sh> dholbach: it just doesn't react anymore..most of the time when I switch folders or messages when it's trying to fetch new mails
[11:45] <ajmitch> \sh: strace it & send in what it's blocking on?
[11:45] <dholbach> \sh: that's not very specific... what do you intend me to do? :(
[11:46] <\sh> dholbach: just teasing..it's upstream anyways
[11:46] <dholbach> i see
[11:46] <dholbach> :)
[11:46] <ajmitch> you should be able to attach strace to the running process & see what is breaking, and use lsof to see what the file descriptor (since it's usually read/write) is
[11:46] <ajmitch> so you can provide a nice useful bug report for dholbach to file upstream ;)
[11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: I'll strace it from the beginning...
[11:46] <dholbach> file it upstream directly, thank you
[11:47] <dholbach> :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> ugh, gtk+ 1.2 bugs on bugzilla :)
[11:47] <\sh> dholbach: that's what I'll do anyways...
[11:47] <dholbach> ajmitch: oh nice :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> dholbach: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14749
[11:47] <ajmitch> I didn't recall seeing a documents button for 1.2
[11:48] <ajmitch> hmm, there's no documents button in the file selector for xmms
[11:48] <dholbach> gnucash?
[11:48] <dholbach> those are the only two, i can think of
[11:49] <dholbach> dia has it
[11:49] <ajmitch> dia is 2.x
[11:49] <ajmitch> so the bug is misfiled
[11:49] <dholbach> but it has that crazy documents/ thing
[11:50] <ajmitch> but that's not gtk+ 1.2
[11:50] <dholbach> no, not reall
[11:50] <dholbach> y
[11:50] <ajmitch> not at all! :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> looks like the old gtk+ 2.0 selector with the modifications to add these buttons
[12:01] <ajmitch> does someone have a powerpc box for me to test a build on?
[12:07] <pef> hello
[12:07] <dholbach> hey pef
[12:09] <pef> does cdrdao scanbus works for you ? I have Device or resource busy errors so I cannot use cd cloning into k3b
[12:10] <ajmitch> sigh, doesn't matter about  powerpc build, buildd retried package & it still fails :(
[12:31] <Trashcan> this meld crash is annoying as hell
[12:31] <Trashcan> hang, rather
[12:31] <ajmitch> Trashcan: what hang?
[12:32] <Trashcan> f you click okay while having a directory selected in the file-chooser, while choosing a file to diff, meld hangs.
[12:32] <Trashcan> and
[12:32] <Trashcan> Launch Meld, click "New", choose an original file, the open dialog will freeze and the application will lockup as soon as a file has been selected.
[12:32] <ajmitch> yes, known bug sadly
[12:32] <Trashcan> and I can't see a single thing to cause it :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> at least the first one is filed on malone
[12:32] <ajmitch> and still exists in 1.0.0
[12:32] <Trashcan> yeah
[12:33] <ajmitch> we have https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/meld/+bug/2558 and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/meld/+bug/1688
[12:33] <ajmitch> I see you're subscribed to at least 2558
[12:33] <Trashcan> tis what I'm looking at
[12:33] <j^> anyone looked if its possible to package xawtv4, or any other dvb-t viewer?
[12:33] <Trashcan> (I just noticed the 'other bugs' pane)
[12:33] <ajmitch> Trashcan: want to file the bug upstream?
[12:33] <j^> xawtv4 is afaik only packaged by suse
[12:33] <Trashcan> what does that mean?
[12:33] <Trashcan> :)
[12:34] <ajmitch> Trashcan: in the upstream bug tracker, for the people who develop meld & know the code :)
[12:34] <Trashcan> ah
[12:34] <Trashcan> probably a good idea
[12:34] <ajmitch> j^: it'd be a tight squeeze to get it in for breezy
[12:34] <ajmitch> Trashcan: not just a good idea :)
[12:35] <Trashcan> I've yet to read how this LaunchPad actually works :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> meld homepage is meld.sf.net
[12:35] <ajmitch> it uses gnome bugzilla for bug tracking
[12:35] <ajmitch> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=meld
[12:35] <Trashcan> yup
[12:35] <Trashcan> there now
[12:36] <ajmitch> so open some new bugs with the content of the malone bug reports..
[12:36] <Trashcan> ok
[12:36] <ajmitch> give the malone urls as well
[12:37] <ajmitch> it's so much easier when you get others to do your work for you >:)
[12:37] <Trashcan> hehe
[12:39] <ajmitch> once they're filed in gnome  bugzilla, use 'link to other bugtracker' on malone to link to gnome's bugzilla
[12:41] <j^> ajmitch ah, last time i checked xawtv a simple ./configure && make && make intall did not work, now it does
[12:41] <ajmitch> j^: right, but someone would still have to package it, get it reviewed, and get it uploaded, right?
[12:42] <Trashcan> heh
[12:42] <Trashcan> meld 1.0 is 3 years old
[12:42] <Trashcan> and this bug hasn't been fixed :p
[12:42] <j^> ajmitch right, which is something for breezy+1
[12:43] <ajmitch> 1.0 is 3 years old??
[12:43] <ajmitch> you're sure?
[12:43] <Trashcan> about
[12:43] <ajmitch> 1.0.0 released! (2005-07-01)
[12:43] <ajmitch> that is *not* 3 years :)
[12:43] <Trashcan> meh
[12:43] <Trashcan> must be referring to the original version?
[12:43] <Trashcan> Meld 1.0.0
[12:43] <Trashcan> Copyright 2002
[12:44] <ajmitch> heh
[12:49] <Trashcan> this Malone thing is really cool
[12:50] <ajmitch> yep, still needs some work though
[12:50] <ajmitch> hows the bug filing gone?
[12:50] <Trashcan> had to make an account etc.
[12:50] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:50] <Trashcan> almost finished
[12:50] <Trashcan> took the time to read the faq on bugzilla, too
[12:50] <ajmitch> gnome bugzilla report looks good
[12:51] <ajmitch> except you didn't enter the meld version number
[12:51] <Trashcan> yeh
[12:51] <Trashcan> 1.0.x
[12:51] <ajmitch> hm, 1.0.x in the right hand side
[12:51] <ajmitch> should be enough
[12:51] <Trashcan> (selected from a list)
[12:52] <ajmitch> so malone ought to update each day or so with the status of the gnome bug over on the right :)
[12:52] <Trashcan> cool :D
[12:52] <ajmitch> I'm not sure if it emails the universe-bugs list yet or not
[12:53] <Trashcan> firefox crashed :)
[12:53] <ajmitch> yay
[12:53] <Trashcan> I think it was the flash plugin on a seperate tab :s
[01:14] <ajmitch> night all
[01:15] <Trashcan> night
[01:15] <Trashcan> nice meeting you
[01:30] <\sh> rushing to office....
[01:30] <\sh> laters
[01:47] <spayne> yo all
[01:48] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:48] <spayne> yo sistpoty
[01:49] <sistpoty> hi spayne
[01:51] <Trashcan> hi
[01:51] <Trashcan> bye spayne
[02:12] <spayne> is james.troup@ubuntu.com elmo?
[02:13] <tseng> yes
[02:13] <spayne> thanks
[02:13] <spayne> how's you tseng?
[02:14] <tseng> fine.
[02:16] <spayne> tseng: an i need to ask elmo if i can be on kati's whitelist?
[02:16] <spayne> s/an/and
[02:17] <tseng> yes.
[02:19] <sivang> tseng: Yo Brandon, 'sup?
[02:20] <Yagisan> sivang: go to 5, and you need vmware-any-any patch
[02:20] <sivang> Yagisan: and can I use the 4.5 created vm's ?
[02:21] <Yagisan> sivang: yes
[02:21] <Yagisan> vmware-any-any patch might work with 4.5.2
[02:22] <Yagisan> haven't tried it
[02:22] <tseng> sivang: hiya
[02:22] <sivang> Yagisan: does it workaround compiling the VMware modules?
[02:23] <sivang> tseng: will I be seeing ya in UBZ ?
[02:23] <Yagisan> sivang: It's a patch for the modules
[02:23] <tseng> sivang: no.
[02:24] <Yagisan> you still need to compile them
[02:24] <Yagisan> someone made 4.5.2 into debian packages
[02:24] <sivang> Yagisan: are they in universe?
[02:24] <sivang> :)
[02:24] <sivang> Yagisan: so I still need to have the compatible kernel headers
[02:24] <Yagisan> sivang: google for fberie or abacomsucks
[02:25] <Yagisan> that should link you to the repo
[02:25] <Yagisan> then just s/unstable/breezy and rebuild the source
[02:25] <sivang> ah I see
[02:27] <Yagisan> sivang: when I fix my box after my upgrade to breezy - I'll see if I can package 5
[02:27] <Yagisan> have to fix deng first
[02:28] <sivang> Yagisan: nice, I didn't know VMWare is distributable
[02:28] <sivang> Yagisan: what went wrong in the upgrade?
[02:28] <sivang> (I want to upgrade another office station)
[02:29] <Yagisan> sivang: I don't know if it is - I just hate installing things that are not managed by apt
[02:29] <Yagisan> sivang: I had to blow the system away to get lvm on raid
[02:31] <sivang> ah I see, well, I don't have any such installation. So I guess I'd be fine
[02:32] <sivang> Yagisan: where do you get the -any-any patch?
[02:32] <Yagisan> sivang: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/
[02:32] <Yagisan> http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update94.tar.gz
[02:34] <Trash[sleep] > night
[02:35] <Yagisan> night
[02:37] <tseng> \sh_away: did you find anything about mono upgrade
[03:01] <siretart> hi folks!
[03:02] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[03:02] <siretart> hi sistpoty!
[03:03] <Yagisan> G'day siretart
[03:03] <ivoks> EHLO #ubuntu-motu
[03:04] <siretart> :)
[03:04] <tseng> HELO ivoks
[03:04] <sistpoty> I'm just about to fix slune (malone: 2218)... I'd propose newer debian version and newer version for python-soya... any comments on this?
[03:04] <sistpoty> hi ivoks
[03:05] <ivoks> 250-STARTTLS
[03:05] <ivoks> :)
[03:05] <ivoks> 34E$^#$^Yafdg#$^$^%&
[03:05] <tseng> hy7823y4g2yfyugy89842894
[03:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:05] <tseng> haha /me hugs ivoks
[03:05] <ivoks> ;)
[03:06] <ivoks> so...
[03:06] <ivoks> i converted MacOSX user to Ubuntu
[03:06] <sistpoty> wow
[03:06] <ivoks> he
[03:06] <ivoks> he's enlightend :)
[03:07] <ivoks> argh...
[03:07] <ivoks> he loves the Connect to server
[03:07] <ivoks> much better than OSX's apple+k
[03:07] <ivoks> says Gimp has lots of nice things Photoshop doesn't
[03:08] <ivoks> and, for the record, he's profession is design and printings
[03:08] <ivoks> even says his iPod works better on Ubuntu than on OSX
[03:08] <slomo_> spayne: already packaged dopi?
[03:09] <sistpoty> wow ivoks... did you give him drugs? :P
[03:09] <tseng> slomo_: baz needs new ipod-sharp
[03:09] <ivoks> sistpoty: nope... he asked for Ubuntu
[03:09] <j^> does WebDAV in connecot to server work?
[03:09] <sistpoty> ivoks: cool
[03:09] <slomo_> tseng: 0.5.5 or something newer?
[03:09] <tseng> slomo_: 0.5.5 i think
[03:10] <j^> here i get "There is no default action associated with this location."
[03:10] <j^> Can't display location "dav://j@.../"
[03:10] <slomo_> tseng: fine, we'll get this tomorrow ;)
[03:10] <tseng> slomo_: ok.
[03:10] <slomo_> spayne: if you already want 0.5.5 packages just tell me and i'll send them to you
[03:11] <ivoks> sistpoty: that was a mistake
[03:12] <ivoks> sistpoty: now I got 5 mails in 4 minutes with questions how to do this, how to do that... :)
[03:12] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:12] <sistpoty> ping dholbach
[03:12] <dholbach>  pong
[03:13] <sistpoty> dholbach: I'd like to break uvf once again ;) python-soya (sp soya) and slune
[03:13] <sistpoty> dholbach: to fix malone 2218
[03:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: soya is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=673
[03:14] <sistpoty> dholbach: and slune should be on revu the very next minute
[03:16] <sistpoty> dholbach: slune http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=674
[03:16] <dholbach> sistpoty: can we get them in via debian?
[03:16] <dholbach> oh you did all the work already
[03:16] <sistpoty> dholbach: unfortunately no... both cannot be synced
[03:16] <dholbach> because they're not transitioned yet?
[03:17] <ivoks> ripping ipod from rhythmbox crashes X.
[03:17] <ivoks> known bug?
[03:17] <sistpoty> dholbach: no... soya has a hard dep on python2.3 in rules and slune has a dep/build-dep to a newer python-openal then breezy has
[03:18] <sistpoty> dholbach: soya also didn't do the gl/glu-transition in debian (it did in breezy)
[03:18] <dholbach> what about the newer build-dep?
[03:18] <dholbach> do we need it too?
[03:18] <sistpoty> dholbach: no... works fine with old python-openal... i just played two levels ;)
[03:19] <dholbach> we might just have to cope with http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325540
[03:19] <dholbach> apart from that both versions are fine with me
[03:20] <sistpoty> dholbach: this also occurs here... but it's only a warning ;)
[03:20] <sistpoty> dholbach: cool, thx
[03:20] <dholbach> thanks for your work on it :)
[03:20] <sistpoty> maybe you could even upload it? *beg* ;)
[03:21] <dholbach> sure
[03:21] <sistpoty> :)
[03:21] <sistpoty> go for soya first... ;)
[03:22] <dholbach> 10 MB
[03:22] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:27] <dholbach> soya done
[03:28] <sistpoty> :)... will wanna-build (or any of the girls on the buildd) recognize that it has to wait for soya to be built before trying slune?
[03:28] <dholbach> yes
[03:28] <sistpoty> cool... pretty smart ;)
[03:28] <dholbach> "dep-wait"
[03:28] <spayne> siretart: ping
[03:28] <spayne> yo dholbach
[03:28] <dholbach> should be on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads
[03:28] <dholbach> hey spayne
[03:28] <slomo_> spayne: read my questions about dopi? ;)
[03:29] <spayne> slomo_: questions? dopi? i can't built it as ipod-sharp is too old
[03:29] <slomo_> spayne: is 0.5.5 new enough?
[03:29] <spayne> dholbach: tseng has uploaded resapplet :0
[03:29] <spayne> slomo_: yes
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:29] <dholbach> sistpoty: done
[03:29] <spayne> yo bddebian
[03:29] <slomo_> spayne: will be uploaded tomorrow... if you want i can send you binaries for x86 now
[03:29] <bddebian> Hello spayne, dholbach, slomo_
[03:30] <slomo_> hi bddebian :)
[03:30] <dholbach> hey barry
[03:30] <spayne> slomo_: that's be great so i can get on packaging dopi. what questions did you have?
[03:30] <slomo_> spayne: just that... wait i'll upload the stuff for you...
[03:31] <spayne> how do i upload my key to keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[03:31] <spayne> so siretart can add it the REVU key chain?
[03:31] <dholbach> gpg --send-key <keyid>
[03:31] <slomo_> spayne: http://slomosnail.de/~slomo/
[03:31] <siretart> ah, so you are seb payne ;)
[03:31] <spayne> slomo_: thanks
[03:31] <bddebian> Do we have any wikis on the whole X11 include and libraries dirs mess?
[03:31] <spayne> sirestart: spayne = sebpayne
[03:32] <dholbach> bddebian: what are you looking for?
[03:32] <siretart> spayne: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 0x3913E86E
[03:32] <bddebian> dholbach: WTH the directories are supposed to be now :-)
[03:32] <spayne> siretart: done
[03:32] <dholbach> siretart: how many uploaders/reviewers do we have?
[03:32] <dholbach> siretart: how many uploaders/reviewers do you have on REVU? :)
[03:33] <dholbach> bddebian: something   dlocate  ,  apt-file   or   packages.ubuntu,com/   do not know? :)
[03:33] <sistpoty> dholbach: imo about 40 uploaders, but i can check the exact number
[03:33] <spayne> i found another guy who can sign my key
[03:33] <spayne> he is a Debian Developer as well :)
[03:33] <dholbach> wow
[03:33] <dholbach> sistpoty: i had no idea about how many we have
[03:33] <dholbach> spayne: ROCK, GO GO GO GO!
[03:34] <bddebian> dholbach: I dunno, I'm just a little confused by the whole scene :-)
[03:34] <spayne> slomo_: those packages have broken banshee :(
[03:34] <slomo_> spayne: that's why they're not uploaded yet ;) i wait for a new banshee release maybe tomorrow
[03:34] <sistpoty> dholbach: actually it's 60 registered users :)
[03:34] <dholbach> WOW
[03:34] <dholbach> that's COOL
[03:35] <siretart> spayne: done, you may proceed with uploading now
[03:35] <spayne> siretart: thanks but tseng has done it for me :)
[03:36] <bddebian> spayne: How about fixing stuff already in the archive?? :)
[03:36] <spayne> bddebian: such as?
[03:36] <bddebian> Malone bugs, UniverseUnmetDeps, you name it :-)
[03:36] <spayne> slomo_: dopi still fails to autogen
[03:36] <sistpoty> dholbach: there are some duplicate accounts (different email==different account)... btw.: there are 19 reviewers, that should actually be equal to #motus
[03:36] <spayne> slomo_: "checking for DOPI... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk-sharp-2.0 ipod-sharp >= 0.5.5 entagged-sharp) were not met.
[03:36] <spayne> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[03:36] <spayne> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[03:36] <spayne> "
[03:36] <slomo_> spayne: uh... entagged-sharp
[03:37] <slomo_> spayne: is there a release of entagged-sharp?
[03:39] <slomo_> hm, fedora has packages for it... so there is a release... i'll package it then ;) tseng, that would also be something for pkg-mono?
[03:41] <thesaltydog> siretart, how can I change my REVU password? Each time I have to look for the post-it and never find it..:-)
[03:41] <siretart> thesaltydog: will be implemented with revu2
[03:42] <thesaltydog> siretart, so I will better look for the post-it...
[03:43] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: you could write an encrypted mail to me or siretart or even better to keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[03:43] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: but don't use a pw that you use elsewhere, as pw's are stored in plaintext in the database
[03:43] <dholbach> thesaltydog: or use the "i forgot my password" link
[03:43] <siretart> my favorite solution would be to use the launchpad login
[03:43] <slomo_> spayne: i'll notify you when i have working entagged-sharp packages
[03:44] <sistpoty> siretart: would also be my favorite... but till then much more of revu2 needs to be written ;)
[03:44] <ivoks> dholbach: ping :)
[03:44] <thesaltydog> dholbach, sistpoty thanks, I've got the post-it!
[03:44] <dholbach> ivoks: pong
[03:45] <sistpoty> np thesaltydog
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[03:45] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[03:45] <ivoks> dholbach: did you checkout jdub's speech over podcast or you downloaded ogg?
[03:45] <ivoks> hi all
[03:45] <dholbach> ivoks: yes i did :))
[03:45] <ivoks> dholbach: which one? :)
[03:45] <dholbach> ivoks: download the .ogg file
[03:45] <ivoks> dholbach: podcasting or ogg?
[03:45] <ivoks> ah... ok
[03:45] <ivoks> i'm trying with ipodder
[03:45] <ivoks> no luck :(
[03:46] <sistpoty> bddebian: i cc'd you to mail regarding libxmerl-erlang... but unfortunately got no response from dd yet :(
[03:46] <bmonty> hi all
[03:46] <sistpoty> hi bmonty
[03:46] <bddebian> sistpoty: Aye, I noticed. :-)
[03:46] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:46] <bmonty> morning for those in the US :)
[03:46] <ivoks> it downloads, opens xmms and then ask me for a file to open :/
[03:46] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye :-)
[03:46] <sistpoty> bddebian: there is a newer upstream-version, if i find the time i'll package it... but i keep this as low prio for now ;)
[03:46] <dholbach> morning bmonty
[03:47] <bddebian> Someone please, I'm begging here.  What freaking files are where wrt X these days?  /usr/X11R6/bin are now in /usr/bin?  /usr/X11R6/include are now /usr/include/X11 ??
[03:47] <bddebian> :-)
[03:48] <dholbach> bddebian: are you looking for a specific file?
[03:51] <spayne> slomo_: thanks
[03:52] <slomo_> lol "tar: Anlegen eines leeren Archivs wird feige verweigert."
[03:54] <sistpoty> rofl
[03:54] <bddebian> dholbach: No I have a couple packages on Malone going to the wrong places.  For example xfonts-jmk puts the fonts in the wrong place.  And I know where they should go but there are some other related directory wierdness
[03:54] <dholbach> hmhmhm
[03:54] <zakame> hello all! :D
[03:54] <dholbach> no idea
[03:54] <dholbach> sorry
[03:54] <dholbach> hi zakame
[03:55] <bmonty> don't you love how different devs use different methods to move files??
[03:55] <zakame> I've a q: if a package is ITP'd on Debian already, and that's stalled, and I want to build the same package for ubuntu, should I follow-up the ITP?
[03:56] <bmonty> I keep getting "gcc-3.4 command not found" for building a module package, what is the right way to call a module package's makefile?
[03:56] <slomo_> zakame: you can simply take the ITP and make you the owner
[03:57] <zakame> slomo_: ah... but wouldn't the original owner be alarmed? :)
[03:58] <slomo_> zakame: when it's stalled... but when you take the ITP you have to get it into debian somehow... when you don't want this just package it for us ;)
[03:59] <zakame> slomo_: oh, ok :D
[04:00] <zakame> I've just finished building my breezy-chroot and pbuilder, so I'm having a go with lighttpd... :)
[04:06] <tseng> slomo_: uh
[04:06] <tseng> slomo_: entagged-sharp isnt really used externally by anyone but dopi
[04:06] <tseng> slomo_: let me bother snorp about something
[04:07] <tseng> slomo_: entagged isnt something we want to package right now
[04:08] <ivoks> um...
[04:08] <slomo_> tseng: it doesn't hurt, does it?
[04:08] <ivoks> how to create iso from CD? :)
[04:08] <spayne> tseng: why don't we want to package it?
[04:08] <bddebian> bmonty: No not realy :-)
[04:08] <slomo_> tseng: that way we already have a package when it's finally api stable... and for the time beeing dopi can use it );
[04:08] <tseng> because its completely API unstable
[04:08] <Yagisan> ivoks: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso
[04:09] <ivoks> Yagisan: right! :)
[04:09] <tseng> dopi should bundle it like everyone else for now
[04:09] <Yagisan> ivoks: I find myself doint that too often!
[04:09] <tseng> slomo_: the problem is, imagine if someone else decided to use the systemwide entagged
[04:09] <spayne> isn't entagged-sharp used by beagle?
[04:09] <ivoks> Yagisan: dd: reading `/dev/hdc': Input/output error
[04:09] <ivoks> hm...?
[04:09] <tseng> and dopi and that app get different stuff
[04:09] <bmonty> bddebian: that might be an MOTU meeting agenda item...a standard way for moving file in ubuntu packages since there isn't one maintainer with responsibility for maintenance of the package
[04:09] <tseng> spayne: you never listen
[04:09] <tseng> everyone else bundles entagged
[04:09] <spayne> i've just come back to this conv.
[04:10] <Yagisan> ivoks: cd mounted ?
[04:10] <ivoks> it's audio cd
[04:10] <slomo_> tseng: sure, that would be the best... but why can't we just package entagged-sharp now when only dopi uses an external version?
[04:10] <ivoks> Yagisan: audio cd :/
[04:10] <Yagisan> ivoks: that may be why
[04:10] <tseng> because if foobar uses the external version 0.4
[04:10] <tseng> and dopi uses 0.3
[04:10] <tseng> what are we to do
[04:11] <ivoks> Yagisan: so, iso can't be created from AudioCD?
[04:11] <tseng> slomo_: its "ok" to put completely unsupportable crazy stuff in universe, i just prefer not to
[04:11] <Yagisan> ivoks: haven't tried -looking for an audio cd
[04:11] <tseng> slomo_: as for pkg-mono, it will never fly
[04:12] <tseng> i will try upstream and we will revisit the issue afterwards
[04:12] <ivoks> Yagisan: it doesn't work :)
[04:12] <slomo_> tseng: ok... then we'll just wait for now... but when it's api stable... i have the package ready on my hdd ;)
[04:12] <tseng> heh cool
[04:13] <tseng> what dopi does is really bad
[04:13] <tseng> instead of including the entagged src in the tarball
[04:13] <Yagisan> ivoks: found an audio cd
[04:13] <ivoks> :}
[04:13] <tseng> at build time it copies the global source into its source tree
[04:13] <slomo_> tseng: just copied the debian directory from ipod-sharp and changed some strings ;)
[04:14] <slomo_> tseng: so maybe we can just add entagged-sharp to dopi's source directory, remove the copying stuff and be happy?
[04:14] <tseng> hm we could
[04:14] <tseng> but that would be a huge patch
[04:14] <tseng> i will tell snorp to do it
[04:15] <tseng> if he doesnt, we can do that
[04:15] <slomo_> we have to create a tarball anyway... it's from cvs/svn... so we can add it directly to the tarball
[04:15] <tseng> eh
[04:16] <Yagisan> ivoks: it seems k3b can copy it
[04:16] <Yagisan> ivoks: it's copying now for me
[04:16] <ivoks> Yagisan: yeah, for me too
[04:16] <ivoks> Yagisan: but i need that for console :)
[04:17] <slomo_> tseng: ?
[04:17] <ivoks> readcd :)
[04:17] <tseng> slomo_: i dont like that at all
[04:17] <slomo_> tseng: me neither... but that big patches are annoying imho :/
[04:18] <bmonty> #298 is ready for upload if anyone is so inclined :)
[04:18] <tseng> so why cant we ask upstream
[04:18] <Yagisan> ivoks: out of curiosity - why are you making iso's out of audio cds ?
[04:18] <tseng> why do lots of evil things
[04:18] <Yagisan> ltsp is main's problem isn't it ?
[04:19] <tseng> blame og
[04:19] <tseng> ogra
[04:19] <slomo_> tseng: these were just ideas how we could solve it ;) spayne, please talk to snorp
[04:19] <tseng> i will talk to snorp
[04:19] <spayne> slomo_: I will talk to him - was talking to him last night actually
[04:20] <ivoks> Yagisan: ah, to mount it on computer that lacks CDROM :)
[04:20] <slomo_> tseng: haha... entagged-sharp is funny... make distclean removes all the autofoo-created stuff ;)
[04:21] <tseng> i told you
[04:22] <slomo_> ugly buildsystem... let's do real work again instead of bothering with that ;)
[04:27] <ivoks> dholbach: you are famous now :))
[04:27] <slomo_> ivoks: ?
[04:27] <tseng> jdub interview
[04:27] <ivoks> yeah :)
[04:28] <slomo_> oh... where?
[04:28] <ivoks> fridge
[04:28] <ivoks> sticked on the fridge :)
[04:28] <tseng> fridge.ubuntu.com
[04:28] <tseng> look for my pony
[04:28] <ivoks> pony?
[04:29] <tseng> in the random section
[04:29] <tseng> refresh a bit
[04:29] <tseng> and youll see my pny
[04:29] <ivoks> :)
[04:29] <tseng> 12:10 < tseng>  jdub i want a pony
[04:29] <ivoks> yeah! i see it
[04:29] <tseng> ask and you will receive
[04:30] <slomo_> hmm... seems like i'm blind ;) i can't find it on fridge...
[04:30] <Nafallo> lol
[04:31] <Nafallo> slomo_: which? the interview?
[04:31] <slomo_> Nafallo: yes
[04:31] <Nafallo> Interview with Jeff Waugh
[04:31] <ivoks> :>
[04:31] <slomo_> lol... ok, forget it ;) i looked for an interview with dholbach
[04:31] <dholbach> haha :)
[04:32] <ivoks> dholbach: now, your job is to mention someone else in your interview :)
[04:33] <ivoks> like ogra :)
[04:33] <ivoks> or doko ;)
[04:33] <dholbach> ah i see :)
[04:33] <dholbach> that's how it goes :)
[04:34] <ivoks> seb payne
[04:34] <ivoks> not here? :)
[04:35] <ivoks> btw, ipodder rocks!
[04:59] <bmonty> bddebian: ping
[05:10] <\sh> re
[05:13] <bmonty> hi \sh
[05:45] <dholbach> bbl
[07:17] <bddebian> bmonty: Yo?
[07:18] <slomo> re
[07:20] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[07:22] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[07:28] <bmonty> bddebian: can you do an upload for me please?  #298
[07:43] <Yagisan> hmm - breezys wine is broken
[07:44] <\sh> again
[07:44] <\sh> ?
[07:44] <janimo> does revu allow upload of same version of package?i.e overwrite?
[07:44] <janimo> just a file perm difference
[07:44] <siretart> janimo: jepp!
[07:44] <\sh> Yagisan: whats wrong with wine?
[07:45] <siretart> janimo: just upload it again, revu is tolerant with package versions
[07:45] <Yagisan> \sh: it would help if there was a dependency on X
[07:45] <Yagisan> I just installed it in a fresh chroot
[07:45] <siretart> hi \sh, hi slomo!
[07:45] <Yagisan> on my amd64 box - so no x libs yet
[07:45] <Yagisan> and it didn't pull the x libs in - so no display
[07:46] <janimo> siretart thanks I will
[07:46] <\sh> Yagisan: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), flex, bison, libx11-dev, libxt-dev,
[07:46] <slomo> hi siretart
[07:46] <\sh> oh this is build-dep
[07:47] <Nafallo> hmm, broken and broken... ;-)
[07:47] <Nafallo> I would rather call that "not as easy as it could be"
[07:47] <Nafallo> :-P
[07:47] <Yagisan> \sh: yep - no Depends
[07:48] <\sh> I thought you mean "Broken" in the meaning of "uninstallable"
[07:48] <siretart> hm. wasn't there some wine-tools package in the past?
[07:49] <Yagisan> \sh: no - broken as in unuseable
[07:49] <Yagisan> siretart: yes - but it won't work with new wine - the removed the config file
[07:49] <mbreit> good evening!
[07:49] <Yagisan> s/the/they
[07:49] <\sh> siretart: new wine packages are coming along with dapper
[07:49] <\sh> Yagisan: hmmm..I will fix it tomorrow...
[07:50] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[07:50] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye, I'll check it out
[07:50] <bmonty> bddebian: you da man
[07:50] <siretart> \sh: I remember that winesetuptk is obsoleted by some newer config packages, but how are they called?
[07:50] <Yagisan> thanks \sh:
[07:51] <Yagisan> siretart: new wine is autoconfiguring itself
[07:51] <\sh> siretart: uh...there are extra packages now...for some stuff, but normally it should autoconf itself...
[07:51] <siretart> hui
[07:51] <siretart> lets try..
[07:52] <siretart> pff, 56mb download..
[07:52] <bmonty> bbl
[07:52] <Yagisan> siretart: for what ?
[07:52] <siretart> for wine binary package
[07:53] <Yagisan> siretart: the wine deb was only 14mb for me
[07:54] <Yagisan> are you grabbing source ?
[07:55] <dholbach> re
[07:56] <siretart> Yagisan: sorry, I mixed download size and installed size
[07:56] <siretart> wb dholbach
[07:56] <bddebian> bmonty: I can't get the patch to apply.  Is this for hostap-driver or hostap-modules-i386?
[07:56] <dholbach> thanks siretart
[07:56] <bddebian> wb Daniel
[07:56] <dholbach> hey barry
[07:57] <Yagisan> siretart: no worries :)
[07:57] <janimo> hi dholbach, got my mail re motu-ml?
[07:57] <mbreit> hey daniel
[07:57] <dholbach> janimo: yes... got it - we should go for it
[07:58] <dholbach> hey mbreit
[08:06] <bmonty> bddebian: debdiff is for hostap-modules-i386
[08:07] <bddebian> Hmm, I cant apply it there either!?
[08:07] <bmonty> 298
[08:08] <bddebian> bmonty: What patch level?  I've tried p0 and p1
[08:08] <bmonty> I started with 0.3.7-1 source package, same for you?
[08:08] <bddebian> Aye
[08:09] <bmonty> I make the debdiff with the .dsc files, not sure what patch level that would be
[08:09] <Nafallo> bddebian: check the diff to find the patchlevel...
[08:09] <j^> hostap is part of  2.6.12
[08:09] <j^> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_contents.pl?version=breezy&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=hostap.ko&searchmode=searchfiles
[08:11] <bmonty> hmm, why the seperate package then?
[08:11] <j^> it was only merged to mainline in .12
[08:11] <j^> and is the basis for the new wireless stack
[08:12] <bddebian> Oh sure, now that I got it to apply :-)
[08:12] <j^> which is used since .13 or .14
[08:15] <bmonty> so in breezy this is a non-issue then
[08:15] <bmonty> we can morgue the package
[08:17] <bmonty> I'm going to reject #298 then
[08:18] <\sh> ok...guys..I'm off until tomorrow evening...tomorrow I'll visit my son :)
[08:18] <dholbach> have a good time, \sh :)
[08:18] <bmonty> bye \sh
[08:18] <\sh> dholbach: u too...I think tomorrow is big party in berlin, right?
[08:19] <dholbach> is that so?
[08:19] <\sh> 3rd of October?
[08:19] <dholbach> because of the reunion?
[08:19] <\sh> yeah
[08:19] <\sh> dholbach: friend of mine is just visiting berlin because of this ;)
[08:19] <bmonty> should it be rejected or fixed?
[08:19] <\sh> bmonty: the runion?
[08:19] <Nafallo> lol
[08:20] <\sh> *rotfl*
[08:20] <bmonty> \sh: no...
[08:20] <dholbach> \sh: oh... i'll watch out for it :)
[08:20] <bmonty> I'm cool with the reunion :)
[08:20] <\sh> something to copy'n'paste as "freudscher versprecher" ,-)
[08:21] <Nafallo> \sh: ehm, translate? :-)
[08:22] <j^> lapsus linguae
[08:22] <\sh>  Freudian slip
[08:23] <Nafallo> ah
[08:23] <Nafallo> from Berlin to where?
[08:24] <\sh> Nafallo: normally, in berlin there are parties because of the german reunion...
[08:25] <Nafallo> and you want to copy that to where? :-)
[08:25] <j^> though, normaly in berlin there are parties
[08:25] <j^> no need for a national holliday
[08:25] <\sh> Nafallo: check the planet ;)
[08:26] <Nafallo> nothing new it seems..
[08:26] <Nafallo> my transparency was the last one...
[08:28] <\sh> Nafallo: the new entry is coming ;)
[08:28] <\sh> ok...cu tomorrow :)
[08:30] <bddebian> Later shackan
[08:30] <bddebian> Err \sh
[08:55] <bmonty> bddebian: #2780
[09:12] <herzi> dholbach: do you have some free minutes?
[09:12] <dholbach> herzi: sure
[09:17] <bddebian> bmonty: OK, give me a bit
[09:30] <bddebian> bmonty: Do you want me to upload 298 anyway, or did you reject it?
[09:30] <thesaltydog> I have editbugs in Bugzilla but not in Malone... Is there any application form to fill?:-)
[09:31] <bmonty> bddebian: I marked it as fixed
[09:31] <bmonty> 298 that is
[09:32] <bddebian> OK, thx
[09:32] <bmonty> I don't see any reason to upload it if the module is distributed with the kernel image
[09:33] <bddebian> Aye
[09:33] <bddebian> OK, 2780 uploaded
[09:34] <bmonty> now I just have to get elmo to morgue it
[09:56] <dooglus> I'm trying to report a bug in the libmetakit2.4.9.3-dev package, but launchpad tells me there's no such package.  What should I do?
[09:59] <bddebian> dooglus: I believe you must post the bug report against the source package
[09:59] <dooglus> bddebian: ok, thanks.
[10:00] <dooglus> bddebian: it doesn't accept the source package either.
[10:02] <ajmitch> morning
[10:03] <dholbach> morning ajmitch :)
[10:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: I like to google things I come across that I don't know..
[10:04] <bddebian> LaserJock: ??
[10:04] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:05] <LaserJock> well last night you said NAMBA and I couldn't figure out what you meant
[10:05] <ajmitch> oh dear
[10:05] <dooglus> LaserJock: NAMBLA maybe?
[10:05] <LaserJock> so I googled it :-O
[10:05] <LaserJock> yeah, good thing I didn't do an image search
[10:06] <ajmitch> a *very* good thing
[10:06] <LaserJock> my wife would have had some questions
[10:06] <LaserJock> so my "Bddebian is a god" wiki page might turn into a "Bddebian is the devil" wikipage
[10:06] <bddebian> Hehe
[10:06] <bmonty> lol
[10:06] <LaserJock> jk
[10:11] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft - nothing on it? :)
[10:13] <LaserJock> do you guys find Gnome's website to be utterly impossible to navigate?
[10:13] <dholbach> LaserJock: it's ok
[10:14] <bddebian> LaserJock: I do :-)
[10:14] <dholbach> does anyone have an idea what SPECIAL thing i might forget in this time's motu report?
[10:14] <bmonty> LaserJock: yes!
[10:15] <LaserJock> I can never find anything, I am trying to complete my migration from a Suse and Gentoo KDE user to a full time Ubuntu Gnome user
[10:15] <LaserJock> and I just can never find documentation or help or anything on their site
[10:15] <bmonty> LaserJock: not unless you are willing to dig through the mail list archives
[10:15] <bmonty> or at least thats the way it seems to me
[10:16] <LaserJock> It's like they are so in love with their HUG that nobody should ever need documentation or instruction
[10:16] <LaserJock> it's just intuitive
[10:18] <bddebian> Anyone know anything about xmkmf?
[10:19] <dholbach> no... sorry
[10:20] <bmonty> bddebian: I think I played with that a little, let me see if I still have the files around
[10:23] <bmonty> I can't find them :(
[10:25] <bddebian> bmonty: I mean how it determines what to use.  xfonts-jmk is using it and an Imake file to make the Makefile but it seems to be grabbing the wrong config as it looks for bdftopcf in /usr/X11R6/bin instead of /usr/bin
[10:25] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[10:26] <tritium> hi bddebian, dholbach, ajmitch, and everyone
[10:26] <bmonty> bddebian: the X make system has always been a mystery to me, sorry
[10:26] <dholbach> hey tritium
[10:27] <bddebian> bmonty: No shit :-(
[10:28] <bddebian> Who does X stuff besides daniels?
[10:29] <tseng> fabbio, infinity, kamion
[10:29] <tseng> in crunches
[10:35] <bmonty> #1620, I think it should be rejected.  firefox is required since the thing uses gecko.
[10:37] <ivoks> hello
[10:38] <bmonty> hi ivoks
[10:38] <janimo> any reviewers for xubuntu-artwork appreciated, small native package mostly ripoff of the edu/kubuntu equivalent?
[10:38] <janimo> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/xubuntu-artwork-0510021635/xubuntu-artwork-0.1/
[10:40] <dholbach> janimo: did a review already
[10:40] <janimo> hmm, I have done uploads since with the same version, corrected some  stuff
[10:40] <janimo> thanks, will look at what you say
[10:41] <janimo> dholbach, oh that was xubuntu-meta :) but thanks anyway
[10:41] <dholbach> no
[10:41] <dholbach> i made a comment to the artwork package
[10:41] <janimo> hmm, there are no comments that I see...
[10:41] <dholbach> you forgot something in the build-depends
[10:41] <janimo> oh I see now
[10:41] <dholbach> libbogl-dev or something
[10:41] <janimo> why is it 0(0)
[10:42] <dholbach> hrm
[10:42] <janimo> in the summary section, isn't that comments/votes?
[10:42] <ivoks> guys!!!
[10:42] <janimo> dholbach, thanks for the catch, I cannot even copy paste :(
[10:42] <ivoks> according to pcworld
[10:42] <dholbach> we ROCK
[10:43] <dholbach> :)
[10:43] <ivoks> ubuntu is ranked 26. on best products this year!
[10:43] <ivoks> we beat itunes! :)
[10:44] <bddebian> Nice
[10:44] <bmonty> I hate pcworld...completely worthless magazine in my opinion
[10:44] <ivoks> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120763,pg,12,00.asp
[10:44] <ivoks> bmonty: that's irrelevant - this is great commercial :)
[10:44] <ivoks> only one OS is better then ubuntu :/
[10:44] <dholbach> :)
[10:46] <ivoks> that's second hug today :)
[10:46] <ivoks> i'm being huged by famous dholbach :)
[10:46] <dholbach> hahaha
[10:46] <dholbach> "famous" :)
[10:46] <dholbach> could somebody help "famous dniel holbck" to fill up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft?
[10:46] <dholbach> :)
[10:47] <UbuntuOne> Hello
[10:48] <dholbach> hi ubuntulog
[10:48] <dholbach> UbuntuOne: :)
[10:48] <UbuntuOne> :p
[10:48] <ivoks> dholbach: so... what should we do here?
[10:48] <UbuntuOne> Hello ivoks
[10:49] <UbuntuOne> we should go test Ubuntu help center :D
[10:49] <Trashcan> I see what everyone in the mailing list was complaining about... dropline neu really feels 'childish'
[10:49] <Trashcan> the cleanliness is nice, but it's a little too... colorful?
[10:50] <ivoks> heh
[10:50] <ivoks> mario is back
[10:50] <ivoks> well... it's finnaly time for HR LoCo
[10:50] <UbuntuOne> yup, yup, me back :)
[10:50] <UbuntuOne> Shall we go test Ubuntu help center? :)
[10:51] <UbuntuOne> It fails somewhere :/ It wont send mail with support ticket number :/
[10:51] <janimo> dholbach, why is criawips a native package (todays upload at least)?
[10:51] <janimo> and the changes file is 'acces denied'
[10:51] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: you are doing it in wrong direction
[10:51] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: that should be commercial
[10:51] <UbuntuOne> Why? :p
[10:52] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: ticket system for help... you need people to do that
[10:52] <UbuntuOne> Well, I am the one :)
[10:52] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: and you'll do that for free?
[10:52] <UbuntuOne> I am more then enough :)
[10:52] <ivoks> don't get me wrong....
[10:52] <ivoks> there are docs and howtos and even a wiki
[10:52] <UbuntuOne> yup, I know what you mean
[10:53] <ivoks> giving personal support...
[10:53] <ivoks> that's too much for no money
[10:53] <UbuntuOne> :/
[10:53] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: at least get google commercials :)
[10:53] <UbuntuOne> Who would pay for something like that when they have IRC, docs, howtos, and wiki's :p
[10:53] <UbuntuOne> Yup, I'll get google ads
[10:54] <UbuntuOne> once I set up all :)
[10:54] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: that's the thing... they have all community support
[10:54] <ivoks> ticket system isn't community support
[10:54] <ivoks> that's personal and professional support
[10:55] <UbuntuOne> that's true :/
[10:55] <UbuntuOne> I'll have to think :/
[10:55] <UbuntuOne> How would they pay anyway? remember that we cant use Paypal in Crotia :/
[10:56] <ivoks> ah... that's easiest thing to set up :)
[10:57] <UbuntuOne> shoot the solution then :P
[10:57] <ivoks> but... you also need professionals
[10:57] <UbuntuOne> Me is greates proffesional :D
[10:57] <ivoks> and we don't have a market in croatia
[10:57] <UbuntuOne> yup, I know
[10:58] <ivoks> so, if you are willing to give free personal support, go ahead :)
[10:58] <ivoks> i have to much to do, don't have time to support for free :(
[10:58] <bddebian> Grr, I'm not gettig shit fixed today.. :-(
[10:59] <ivoks> bddebian: what shit?
[10:59] <UbuntuOne> well, how should I set up a payed support then when Paypal doesnt support Croatia :p
[10:59] <bddebian> ivoks: Anything :-(
[11:00] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: open an account in bank
[11:00] <ivoks> bddebian: bugs?
[11:00] <bddebian> ivoks: Bugs or unmetdeps broken packages :-(
[11:00] <UbuntuOne> oh :p
[11:01] <ivoks> ah, time for bed :)
[11:01] <UbuntuOne> ok, bye
[11:01] <UbuntuOne> tell me when we are making LoCo :p
[11:01] <bddebian> Later ivoks
[11:02] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: as soon as I build some infrastructure
[11:03] <UbuntuOne> oh,ok
[11:03] <ivoks> UbuntuOne: mailing lists, calendar, schedule...
[11:03] <UbuntuOne> Lemme know if you need help with that
[11:03] <ivoks> np
[11:04] <ivoks> bye
[11:04] <UbuntuOne> bye bye
[11:04] <ryu> re
[11:05] <UbuntuOne> hi ryu
[11:05] <ryu> hi UbuntuOne
[11:20] <dholbach> GNAAAAAAA
[11:20] <dholbach> i uploaded a package to ubuntu instead of revu again
[11:21] <ryu> dholbach, then you need to reupload it ^^
[11:21] <siretart> :(
[11:21] <siretart> is that something we can/should change for revu2?
[11:22] <Nafallo> nope
[11:22] <Nafallo> that's in the hands of the clients conf.
[11:22] <dholbach> i'd need the ASCII-ART-BIG-LETTERS-WRITER plugged into dput
[11:23] <dholbach> Y O U ' R E   A B O U T   T O   U P L O A D   T O     X Y Z     -   A R E   Y O U   S U R E ?
[11:23] <Nafallo> dholbach: just make the default send stuff to /dev/null or something ;-)
[11:23] <dholbach> Nafallo: i always typed      dput ubuntu bla*changes
[11:23] <dholbach> i was trying to do too many things at once
[11:23] <dholbach> *writing to elmo... again*
[11:24] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:25] <ajmitch> dholbach: pre-upload hooks :)
[11:27] <bmonty> anyone use devhelp?
[11:29] <dholbach> sometimes
[11:29] <dholbach> some guy hacked on it recently... i hope they get another release out SOON
[11:30] <bmonty> do you know anything about why debhelp-books was removed from debian?
[11:30] <bmonty> er..devhelp-books
[11:31] <dholbach> no, no idea
[11:33] <bmonty> I'm looking at #1620 and trying to decide if this bug should be rejected or if the submitter has a point, I'm thinking this is a reject, but then I noticed that debian has made some major changes to these packages
[11:44] <janimo> dholbach how about this dput wrapper?
[11:44] <janimo> #!/bin/sh
[11:44] <janimo> echo -n Uploading to
[11:44] <janimo> figlet $1
[11:44] <janimo> read
[11:44] <janimo> dput $@
[11:44] <janimo> :;
[11:45] <janimo> :)
[11:45] <dholbach> hehe ;)
[11:45] <dholbach> that sounds excellent ;)
[11:47] <dholbach> janimo: thank alot :)
[11:48] <janimo> dholbach ;)
[11:53] <bmonty> if I upgrade a package with new upstream source, does it reset the ubuntuX version to ubuntu1 ?? (package still has ubuntu specific stuff)
[11:54] <dholbach> i'm off guys... have a nice evening
[11:54] <bmonty> bya dholbach
[11:54] <dholbach> bye bmonty