[09:04] <JaneW> FYI Edubuntu is sitting at #41 on the distrowatch 'last month' list ;)
[09:18] <ajmitch_> very impressive :)
[09:19] <JaneW> here is review (with valid points) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2619
[09:20] <JaneW> most of the critisisms are things we have discussed, and did want to do, we just didn't have the time and resources to acheive them on the first release. I am hoping we can add much more polish to ver 6.04
[09:22] <Burgundavia> the menu one is going to be a fun one
[09:22] <ajmitch_> for the next release, I should see about getting a zope product a friend & myself are developing into (ed)ubuntu, for providing a commentable document :)
[09:22] <ajmitch_> he's a teacher, so he's planned how to use this product for exam questions, etc
[09:23] <ajmitch_> what will your new job be?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> www.userful.com
[09:23] <Burgundavia> sales and marketing with them
[09:23] <ajmitch_> ah
[09:23] <Burgundavia> they do multiseat stuff, but percieve that Ubuntu might become a competitor
[09:24] <ajmitch_> I really hope you can still contribute
[09:24] <Burgundavia> I am going to hammer it out in writing, don't worry
[09:24] <ajmitch_> might be? I'd say there could be a good chance it will be competitive in some way
[09:24] <Burgundavia> userful's big drive is libraries right now
[09:27] <ajmitch_> proprietary software will increasingly come under pressure from free solutions like ubuntu :)
[09:28] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:28] <Burgundavia> I don't expect I will work for them for much more than a year
[09:31] <ajmitch_> I'm employed at the moment writing proprietary php code
[09:31] <ajmitch_> but there's no ubuntu overlap at the moment, thankfully
[09:32] <jsgotangco> i got an email before from one company that wanted me to write something for them like an endorsement..hehehe i declined
[09:35] <ajmitch_> what sort of endorsement? :)
[09:38] <jsgotangco> it was dodgy, they were selling services (migration, platform, etc.) and ubuntu was one of their pieces
[09:38] <jsgotangco> i told them they're better off sending an email to silbs
[10:06] <jsgotangco> hmmm kernel update
[10:06] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:13] <JaneW> oops
[12:13] <JaneW> sorry ;)
[12:17] <ajmitch_> hm, I was wanting to talk moodle with him, too :)
[12:25] <JaneW> Yagisan: ah right, what you doing here than?
[12:26] <Yagisan> JaneW: I work from home - I'm always around here somewhere
[12:26] <JaneW> ok
[12:27] <Yagisan> that and its too hot to go out today (35C)
[12:37] <JaneW> wow
[12:38] <JaneW> it's cool here today.... 17 degs
[12:44] <Yagisan> we expect about 20C tomorrow. My wife complains about the inconsistent weather here
[12:52] <spacey> JaneW, why is edubuntu not in launchpad?
[12:57] <JaneW> spacey: er...
[12:57] <JaneW> spacey: what do you mean exactly?
[12:57] <JaneW> for Rosetta?
[12:58] <spacey> just in general
[12:58] <jsgotangco> err..why?
[12:58] <spacey> for bugs and stuff
[12:58] <jsgotangco> its still ubuntu
[12:58] <jsgotangco> bugs should be in bugzilla
[12:58] <spacey> yeah ok its main 
[12:58] <spacey> launchpad has lots of nifty features
[12:58] <spacey> :P
[12:59] <jsgotangco> malone is for universe at the moment
[01:00] <spacey> support tickets :P calendar :P uhhh 
[01:00] <spacey> ok not too much atm then
[01:00] <spacey> bugfiling with launchpad is really nice :P
[03:38] <hno73> highvolt1ge: any progress on the website look? I'm looking at the moin skin now
[03:38] <hno73> I'm using various gartoon icons where needed
[03:45] <hno73> highvoltage: what's the word on the webpage?
[03:46] <hno73> I've been working on the moin skin a bit
[03:46] <highvoltage> hno73: sorry about that, bad signal
[03:46] <highvoltage> hno73: yes, i'm uploading new page now, have been in meeting all day, going back in about 5 min
[03:46] <hno73> np
[03:47] <highvoltage> hold on..
[03:47] <hno73> ok, thx
[03:47] <highvoltage> http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/4/
[03:47] <highvoltage> tonight i'm turning all those wiki links into real pages.
[03:48] <hno73> great, I'll match up the wiki skin to that
[03:48] <highvoltage> elmo seems to be a bit busy though, but i'll stay on his case. do you perhaps know the name of the server the edubuntu site will be hosted on? i have a login, but forgot the server name :/
[03:48] <highvoltage> hno73: excellent, you're the man!
[03:49] <hno73> highvoltage: I don't know, but I have access to empty servers if we are really stuck
[04:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/4/ looks great
[04:10] <JaneW> highvoltage: I'd increase the font size in the bar on the RHS though, to match the bold cartoony icons
[04:21] <spacey> looks really nice
[04:31] <rcdiugun> hav'a question. Will Edubuntu be released on the same date as ubuntu?
[04:36] <magnon> should be, yes
[04:37] <magnon> but as I understood on Oliver, it might be pushed if there are serious problems, since we don't have the same pressure, but it's in that case a matter of days
[04:38] <rcdiugun> ah i see. I just read about it now and it suddenly got me thinking about a long-standing project of mine.
[04:39] <rcdiugun> Edubuntu just might be able to help me out with the project. :)
[04:40] <magnon> aha
[04:40] <magnon> do tell if you can
[04:43] <rcdiugun> Yupyup! :D If I get my logistics straightened out (and get enough support from city hall and a couple other orgs in the area) I hope to use edubuntu for a free summer computer camp project for public school kids and/or out-of-school youths here. :)
[04:49] <spacey> rcdiugun, sounds like its suited for such a thing :)
[04:50] <magnon> rcdiugun: edubuntu would probably ease your setup
[04:50] <magnon> and by next summer, edubuntu should be way better too :)
[05:19] <highvoltage>  /topic
[07:12] <hno73> highvoltage: How set are you on the top right area of that page?
[07:12] <hno73> I need some space for search, login, etc
[07:13] <hno73> I could skip the logo, or try to work in or around it
[07:14] <hno73> It would be good if it looked sensible on both the wiki and the static page
[07:17] <highvoltage> hno73: i'm not set on it too hard.
[07:17] <highvoltage> in fact, i need to redo that, currently the text is part of the image
[07:17] <highvoltage> i did it that way because i didn't have a css ref handy, and just needed to put something together quickly.
[07:17] <hno73> highvoltage: ok, I'm playing with some options too
[07:17] <highvoltage> i also though that those icons should be smaller
[07:18] <highvoltage> it feels a bit strange with the very big icons up there.
[07:18] <hno73> which? the main icons? 
[07:18] <hno73> right
[07:18] <highvoltage> yes, the main icons.
[07:18] <hno73> 64x64 might be good
[07:18] <hno73> ok, that gives me some more space too
[07:18] <highvoltage> currently, the icons themselves are 70x70, and the images 90x90
[07:19] <highvoltage> but 64x64 sounds good.
[07:19] <highvoltage> hno73: do you have any page with a preview, or one that i can see on the wiki with the banner?
[07:20] <highvoltage> not that i'm rushing you, and not that it's urgent, i'm just curious to see how the text, etc will fit in.
[07:20] <hno73> No, it's just local. I can email you screenshots though
[07:21] <hno73> There are 6 items in the top right corner here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[07:21] <hno73> that I need to fit in
[07:21] <hno73> I might just move the logo off to the right so that the name is hidden but the circle remains
[07:22] <hno73> get the idea?
[07:22] <highvoltage> ah
[07:22] <highvoltage> yes. that's very helpful.
[07:23] <highvoltage> i have another idea.
[07:23] <highvoltage> what if we keep things more or less where they are, with smaller icons, and then put those two lines (search and login name, etc)...
[07:23] <highvoltage> in one single line above the icons?
[07:24] <highvoltage> i feel a bit wary to mess with the position of the logo.
[07:25] <hno73> Yeah, could do. You mean small icons on the front page and the wiki? or shrink them for the wiki?
[07:29] <highvoltage> smaller icons everywhere.
[07:29] <highvoltage> then we have a consistent look, and i think the smaller icons will look better.
[07:30] <highvoltage> we want a friendly look, but i'm sure we'll use more graphics withing the site later on, and in the wiki. so we won't loose much friendlyness-factor, i think.
[07:50] <highvoltage> hno73: i suppose it will be better for future merges if I call pages wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuScreenshots instead of /Screenshots?
[08:04] <hno73> highvoltage: yes, that will help
[08:13] <highvoltage> hno73: are you managing art.ubuntu.com? do you think we should use that for edubuntu-art, or should there be an art.edubuntu.org as well?
[08:15] <highvoltage> and what software is behind art.ubuntu.com?
[08:20] <highvoltage> ok, i need to leave now, been at work now for 16 hours, can't be very healthy :)
[08:20] <highvoltage> cheers!
[10:59] <hno73> ogra, see: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/ (wiki layout)
[11:01] <ogra> hno73, ubercool :-D
[11:01] <hno73> ogra: just need to code it now :)
[11:01] <ogra> heh :)
[11:01] <hno73> (those are mock-ups)
[11:13] <ajmitch_> ah, ogra is here
[11:13] <ogra> yup
[11:14] <ajmitch_> hi
[11:15] <ajmitch_> ogra: you need moodle done asap?
[11:15] <ogra> yup
[11:15] <ajmitch_> hm ok
[11:15] <ogra> i just fixed gcompris, moodle is the only broken app left
[11:17] <ogra> but i dont get forward it seems :(
[11:18] <ogra> its not *that* urgent
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:20] <ajmitch_> it is if it needs to be promoted to main
[11:20] <ajmitch_> I doubt there'll be universe->main promotions once RC is out
[11:20] <ajmitch_> and it'll be getting hard even now
[11:21] <ogra> depends hiw good i am in convincing mdz ;)
[11:21] <ajmitch_> he'll need a *lot* of convicing
[11:22] <ajmitch_> and moodle will need tested
[11:22] <ajmitch_> since db & db user creation is easy to break
[11:22] <ogra> yup
[11:24] <ogra> take your time... if i cant convince mdz ...i cant ... dont worry...
[11:27] <ajmitch_> I want to see this in :)
[11:29] <ajmitch_> eek, malone above 500 bugs again
[11:29] <ogra> bddebian will care ;)
[11:29] <ogra> and \sh should be back tomorrow again :)
[11:29] <ajmitch_> I think I'll be about 3 point short of 1000 karma now
[11:31] <ajmitch_> maybe over with the last activity
[11:32] <ogra> wow
[11:32] <ogra> i think i'm around 5 :)
[11:33] <ajmitch_> this last week has been busy :)
[11:33] <ogra> yes, i recognized :)
[11:34] <ajmitch_> don't worry
[11:34] <ajmitch_> next week will be at least twice as busy, I'm sure ;)
[11:35] <ajmitch_> and then you can have a weekend off!
[11:35] <ogra> hah, if i still have a job after that ...
[11:35] <ogra> :)
[11:36] <ajmitch_> sure you will
[11:36] <ogra> heh... lets see if i have a working release
[11:36] <ajmitch_> you'd better ;)
[11:37] <ogra> yes...
[11:43] <ajmitch_> it's another useful app that deps only on php4
[11:44] <ajmitch_> ick
[11:44] <ogra> hmm, it should depend php4|5
[11:45] <ajmitch_> he synced it for security without seeing if build-deps were satisfied
[11:46] <ogra> argh
[11:46] <ajmitch_> current source is already built
[11:46] <ajmitch_> s/built/'fixed'/
[11:51] <kendrick> hello :)
[11:52] <kendrick> hi bdoin
[11:55] <bdoin> hi, good to see tuxpaint around ;)
[11:55] <kendrick> ;)
[11:55] <kendrick> working on 0.9.15... slowly.
[11:55] <kendrick> i might make a half-assed release, just to get it out
[11:55] <kendrick> i.e., sans some features i was seriously hoping to get in, like stamp cateogory UI
[11:58] <bdoin> have you seen the stamp category in gcompris ?
[12:00] <kendrick> um... probably ;)
[12:02] <bdoin> there is a scrollbar on the left with a category icon then on the right the small image in a scrollable panel