[04:16] <klepas> Anyone awake?
[04:19] <Seveas> no 
[04:20] <klepas> :)
[05:49] <Yann2> hi.
[05:50] <klepas> Ahoy
[05:59] <Yann2> anyone here for the locoteam meeting?
[05:59] <sturmkind> hello Yann2 ;-)
[05:59] <Yann2> i hope there was no mistake concerning the time -_-
[05:59] <klepas> Yea...
[06:00] <klepas> I'm somewhat confused
[06:00] <Yann2> mh?
[06:00] <smurf> Hello everybody -- it's meeting time again
[06:00] <klepas> could someone enlighten me as to what and when this meeting is about and to take place.
[06:00] <smurf> klepas: when: NOW
[06:00] <klepas> [excuse the ignorance] 
[06:00] <smurf> what: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting
[06:00] <klepas> cheers
[06:01] <smurf> sabdfl said he'd be here too; I've pinged him
[06:03] <Yann2> ok
[06:07] <smurf> silbs: you awake? ;-)
[06:07] <silbs> yes, here
[06:07] <smurf> did you get my ping WRT sabdfl?
[06:07] <silbs> sabdfl will try to make it (on the phone now). No need to wait for him though
[06:07] <smurf> ah, OK
[06:07] <silbs> what's the agenda?
[06:08] <smurf> so we'll get started
[06:08] <smurf> The agenda is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamMeeting; first we'll do the introduction dance ;-)
[06:09] <smurf> nobody else? OK
[06:09] <Mark_Ramm> Mark_Ramm => Mark Ramm
[06:09] <smurf> ;-)
[06:10] <smurf> First agenda item is " Trademark issues for creating local charity organisations named ubuntu-something"
[06:10] <ian_brasil> ian
[06:10] <smurf> silbs has mailed a draft agreement to the -contact list
[06:10] <smurf> any comments beside "looks good, go for it"? ;-)
[06:10] <Yann2> we got it
[06:10] <Yann2> looks good to me 
[06:11] <sabdfl> hi all
[06:11] <Yann2> hi
[06:11] <sabdfl> DapperDrake: *excellent* choice of nick ;-)
[06:11] <smurf> heh
[06:11] <smurf> sabdfl: off-topic for now, though ;-)
[06:12] <mdke> which thread is the draft agreement in?
[06:12] <mitsuhiko> hi all
[06:12] <sabdfl> ok, who's chairing?
[06:12] <silbs> I mailed it to smurfix and yann as -de and -fr were the only countries that seem to have those regulatory issues
[06:12] <silbs> sabdfl: we're talking about the issue of local companies
[06:12] <smurf> sabdfl: I am
[06:12] <sabdfl> alright, thanks
[06:13] <Yann2> it was not mailed to the contact list but to smurf, mako, benj and I
[06:13] <silbs> smurf: did you get a response from gnome-de
[06:13] <smurf> Ah, sorry, I auto-filed it to -contacts
[06:13] <mdke> ah I see
[06:13] <Yann2> silbs > can we make that trademark agreemend draft public?
[06:14] <smurf> silbs: I did; their agreement is somewhat more informal
[06:15] <smurf> One change I'd like to make is to have the agreement continue automatically unless cancelled, instead of the other way 'round
[06:15] <silbs> Yann2: sure, although it is something that we only want to do were regulatory conditions require it. So far that is only -fr and -de
[06:15] <silbs> smurf, Yann2 : can you send me feedback in email?
[06:15] <Yann2> silbs > yep
[06:15] <silbs> it will be easier to consolidate it and redraft that way. 
[06:15] <smurf> will do.
[06:15] <silbs> thanks
[06:15] <Yann2> the term of "locoteam member" is somewhat confusing too
[06:16] <Yann2> as there is no really "ubuntu-fr member"
[06:16] <smurf> Yann2: if you have a better idea ... => email
[06:16] <silbs> that is one of the issue with this concept. We are making an agreement with individuals, representing an org, who will form another org
[06:16] <smurf> next agenda item, I'd say
[06:16] <smurf> " Distribution of Cds and conference packs - logistics issues (ship-it)"
[06:16] <silbs> the agreement needs to be with a group of individuals (i.e., the loco team), not just an individual (i.e., you)
[06:17] <Yann2> silbs > we are two locoteam leaders
[06:17] <Yann2> david wasn t able to come
[06:17] <silbs> Yann2: yes, I know.
[06:17] <Yann2> you mean, the agreement should be done with the entire french community?
[06:17] <silbs> my point was that ubuntu-fr is a team, and we are making an agreement with the team. If you and david diverge from the rest of the ubuntu-fr team in opinion, then what?
[06:17] <rejden> smurf, regarding to shipit issue, we will have one big open source summit at the second week of november, it'spossible to get 5.10 before?
[06:18] <Mark_Ramm> loco teams -- if they are going to be legal entities -- need to have official members. 
[06:18] <silbs> Yann2: not the whole team, but I was trying to put conditions in there that made the team have to operate *as a team*, not as individuals
[06:18] <silbs> it's imperfect, I know
[06:18] <Yann2> silbs > we do not really have a "team", but we do have a wiki team, a rosetta team, a planet team...
[06:18] <silbs> Yann2: is it just you and david?
[06:18] <Yann2> we could consider the whole teams as the Ubuntu-fr team
[06:18] <smurf> Yann2: you'll have a few people who woll found the association
[06:19] <smurf> those are the ones who need to enter into that agreement
[06:19] <silbs> Mark_Ramm: I agree, that's the issue I was trying to address. It's tricky though, becuase right now loco teams don't seem to have "official membership"
[06:19] <mdke> individuals can come and go from teams, it's best to have the team entering into the agreement IMO
[06:19] <Yann2> how many should that be? 1? 2? 3? 10?
[06:20] <silbs> the draft required 3 people to sign it, and stipulated that there be some way for the team to change it's leadership
[06:20] <silbs> didn't try to impose any way for that to happen, just that the team had some say in it
[06:20] <silbs> I'm assuming that each team is making decisions about how they will operate, if there is a "leader", etc
[06:20] <smurf> Yann2: you need a certain number of people for forming the association
[06:20] <Yann2> silbs > 3 people is ok, i've an idea for the third person... and yes we can create a way to change the leaders if the team is not happy with them anymore
[06:21] <Yann2> smurf > that's 2 in france
[06:21] <smurf> in Germany it's 7 for a nonprofit
[06:21] <rejden> 3 in sk
[06:21] <smurf> I think we can hash out the rest of the draft's details in email though
[06:21] <ian_brasil> can we see the draft somewhere?
[06:22] <smurf> silbs: forward it to -contacts?
[06:22] <silbs> yes, I will
[06:22] <smurf> thanks
[06:22] <silbs> but remember that this is for unusual circumstances only
[06:22] <silbs> this is not a normal part ofbeing a loco team
[06:22] <smurf> silbs: sure
[06:23] <silbs> most don't need it
[06:23] <Yann2> sure
[06:23] <silbs> the last thing we want is people forming legal structures along with a loco team and then abandoning them
[06:23] <smurf> +1
[06:23] <smurf> OK, next item (this time for real ;-)
[06:24] <sabdfl> it's quite a burden to have a legal structure. lots of paperwork
[06:24] <sabdfl> many fail
[06:24] <Yann2> silbs > we might abandon it, I won't do this my whole life. But if i quit, there'll be someone to hand over the association.
[06:24] <sabdfl> even for large organisations
[06:24] <rejden> smurf, ok, can you go back to my question?
[06:24] <smurf> people keep asking about CDs, shipit, esp. for conferences
[06:25] <Yann2> as I said at the last CCmeeting
[06:25] <smurf> the question is, what's the timeframe for breezy CDs? Should we tell people "burn your own" until we see that shipit ships? 
[06:25] <Yann2> we are willing to try to take over a part of the organisation of the cds shipping in france
[06:25] <smurf> Yann2: do you have *concrete* numbers on how much that would cost?
[06:26] <Yann2> smurf > it's quite complicated
[06:26] <smurf> I don't suppose you're going to do it for free
[06:26] <Yann2> we haev a company that asked us for logistics around the cds
[06:26] <Yann2> i'm trying to let them take a large part of the whole costs of distribution
[06:26] <Yann2> in exchange of maybe some flyers in the packs
[06:27] <Yann2> the person willing to help us works in a cybercentre, he says he might get some monney to ship the cds
[06:27] <Yann2> so it depends on how many cds lugs/organisations/companies will ask us
[06:28] <Yann2> and if we get that monney from these companies
[06:28] <Yann2> that'll take a few more weeks to get a precise idea...
[06:28] <smurf> So canonical would ship a mountain of CDs to them for free redistribution? Is that the plan?
[06:28] <ian_brasil> we already took the decision to burn our own CD's, make our own banners, we want to be as self sufficient as possible but with a legal structure so that no-one can come and 'eat' ubuntu-br and call it theirs
[06:29] <Yann2> canonical would send a large quantity of cds to a centre in france, which would handle the local shipping
[06:29] <silbs> Yann2: if the ubuntu-fr team can find a way to send CDs that Canonical doesn't pay for (e.g., donations, trade for services), etc. that's fine - we'll be happy to pass French orders on to you. But if you want Canonical to pay for it, it needs to meet our price guidelines, which I've already communicated
[06:29] <Yann2> silbs > we won't handle the WHOLE logistics around shipping
[06:29] <rejden> silbs, any chance to see those guidelines?
[06:30] <Yann2> we'll just do a large command for lugs, companies, organisations, conferences, just after the release
[06:30] <silbs> rejden: they've been on the loco list several times. basically, less than EUR .45 per unit, where a unit is the 2 cd pack
[06:30] <Yann2> so that they can get it faster
[06:30] <silbs> that includes everything but the actual shipping (production, storage, pick & pack, labelling, etc)
[06:30] <Yann2> silbs > is the shipping in the .45EUR?
[06:30] <Yann2> silbs > we won't produce any CD, just ship them
[06:31] <silbs> Yann2: who will you ship them to?
[06:31] <Yann2> silbs > as i said, LUGs, companies, conferences... everybody who asked a month before release
[06:31] <silbs> i.e., orders placed with us, or destinations you pick on your own?
[06:31] <Yann2> one month before the release i'd take "orders"
[06:32] <silbs> oh - you are talking about Dapper?
[06:32] <Yann2> but only in large quantity
[06:32] <Yann2> yep
[06:32] <Yann2> we will never make it for breezy
[06:32] <silbs> okay, I think we can talk about this later then :)
[06:32] <smurf> well, dapper is still some time off ...
[06:32] <Yann2> (but)
[06:32] <Yann2> same problem for conference packs :)
[06:33] <Yann2> conference packs will need some logistics and imply some costs
[06:33] <smurf> let's finish CDs first please
[06:33] <Yann2> same problem :)
[06:33] <silbs> smurf: I don't think there is anything else to talk about on CDs.
[06:33] <smurf> "timeframe for breezy CDs"
[06:33] <Yann2> we are looking for companies to fund the CDs
[06:33] <silbs> loco teams can request a high pri order, per my mail http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2005-September/000137.html
[06:34] <silbs> CDs ship about a week after release
[06:34] <Yann2> but if canonical could give some money if we have not enough ^^^
[06:34] <Yann2> silbs > you said we should not order a too large quantity
[06:34] <smurf> silbs: OK, thanks
[06:34] <Yann2> and i'm speaking of some thousands of cds :)
[06:34] <silbs> Yann2: we will not send you 20K cds as a high pri order. Sorry.
[06:34] <Yann2> silbs > oh.
[06:35] <Yann2> that was the point :/
[06:35] <silbs> Yann2: you said you don't even have orders yet, that you are planning for dapper?
[06:35] <Yann2> yep
[06:35] <Yann2> we have time :)
[06:35] <silbs> we're not accepting dapper orders yet :)
[06:35] <Yann2> ^^
[06:35] <Yann2> silbs > if you can not send us 20K cds as pri order
[06:35] <mitsuhiko> silbs: if someone is ordering some breezy cds today by mailing you. when is their arrival in Germany?
[06:36] <Yann2> then i don't have to look for someone shipping them
[06:36] <Yann2> silbs > it take quite a lot of time to organise the shipping, i won't do it if I can't order the cds :p
[06:36] <mdke> Yann2, i don't get this. If they send you the cd's, they have to ship them anyway, what is the point in you then shipping them again?
[06:36] <silbs> mitsuhiko: orders should be placed in shipit.ubuntu.com, not by mailing me. Breezy won't be released till 13 Oct, the first CDs won't ship till about a week aftre that
[06:37] <Yann2> mdke > having them earlier, with high priority
[06:37] <silbs> we have hundreds of thousands of requests already, and it will take some time to get through the backlog of orders
[06:37] <rejden> silbs, can you make any priority within shipit?
[06:37] <juliux> silbs, we need it for a fair in germany
[06:37] <Yann2> should go faster and be cheaper
[06:37] <smurf> mdke: shipping one crate with 20k CDs is a bit cheakper than shipping 2k envelopes with ten CDs each
[06:37] <mdke> Yann2, but the high priority terms have already been defined
[06:37] <silbs> I can't promise a specific delivery
[06:37] <silbs> 1. loco teams can request a high pri order
[06:37] <silbs> 2. if there is a specific date required, identify that in your order
[06:38] <mitsuhiko> silbs: i was talking about a locoteam high pri order
[06:38] <silbs> rejden, juliux ; ^^
[06:38] <Yann2> silbs > as smurf said, that was a way to reduce shipping costs, too
[06:38] <silbs> mitsuhiko: you should have it by the end of Oct, but I really can't guarantee that
[06:38] <rejden> silbs, well, we can specifi it via shipit web?
[06:38] <Yann2> well f that's not possible we would just order some cds for lugs that have a precise timeline
[06:38] <silbs> rejden: yes
[06:39] <rejden> silbs, ok
[06:39] <Yann2> silbs > so to be clear, you'd prefer to have shipit handle the whole distribution system?
[06:39] <Yann2> it's ok for me..
[06:40] <Yann2> it was just a suggestion :)
[06:40] <silbs> Yann2: I don't know what you are asking. I would prefer to talk about dapper distribution some other time.
[06:40] <Yann2> ok.
[06:40] <smurf> OK ... conference packs.
[06:40] <silbs> I also want the cheapest most efficient distribution system. if anyone, anywhere in the world, can find a producer than can meet or beat our current costs of production and fulfillment, we'll spread the load around
[06:41] <rejden> silbs, i don't think that will be possible everywhere....
[06:41] <Yann2> silbs > it's about shipping, not produce; we wanted to reduce shipping costs 
[06:41] <Yann2> i don't think we can produce cds for .45EUR
[06:41] <Yann2> (in france)
[06:41] <rejden> we can't in europe
[06:42] <ian_brasil> silbs:i think kiko has some prices from Brasil 
[06:42] <silbs> Yann2: shipping from NL to FR is not that expensive.  Shipping 20K CDs via TNT is.  Go to the TNT website and use their online calculator to work out how much
[06:42] <silbs> ian_brasil: yes, he's passed them to me
[06:42] <smurf> Yann2: then don't -- that's not a problem
[06:42] <mitsuhiko> a producer in the USA whould be good
[06:42] <Yann2> oh, i didn't knew the cds were produces in NL.
[06:42] <Yann2> well then forget it :)
[06:43] <silbs> ian_brasil: trying to work through them 
[06:43] <smurf> Umm... I do think we'd like to focus this meeting a bit more ...
[06:43] <Yann2> so, then that's it
[06:43] <Yann2> oh :)
[06:44] <smurf> what's the conference pack situation?
[06:44] <smurf> *somebody* put that agenda item there ;-)
[06:44] <silbs> materials are being produced. Lacking any response to my mail on the list, we've decided that we will construct a standard pack and send it out upon request
[06:45] <silbs> the pack will have a fixed # of t-shirts, stickers and leaflets in it
[06:45] <Yann2> brb
[06:45] <rejden> silbs, can you give url at that email please?
[06:45] <silbs> we'll add posters when designed.  Everyone gets the same number of various items
[06:45] <silbs> rejden: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2005-September/000135.html
[06:46] <rejden> silbs, ok, so order of conference packs should be via you?
[06:46] <silbs> rejden: no
[06:46] <silbs> rejden: when they are available we'll post the email address
[06:46] <rejden> ok
[06:46] <silbs> please, please, please do not send requests to me :)
[06:46] <smurf> silbs: approximate date for availability?
[06:46] <mdke> haha
[06:46] <rejden> and that time frame you see?
[06:47] <rejden> silbs, we will spam you!
[06:47] <silbs> a week or two
[06:47] <mdke> silbs has a limit to her mailbox size
[06:47] <rejden> silbs, do you think it's possible to get it to slovakia before 10 of november?
[06:47] <ian_brasil> silbs:i prefer Option 2
[06:47] <silbs> actually, we can start taking orders now
[06:47] <Yann2> re
[06:47] <rejden> silbs, at your email right? :D
[06:47] <silbs> we'll ge tthat up and running. Thngs are stil being produced though, so can't send out for a week or so
[06:48] <smurf> silbs: that would be good
[06:48] <Yann2> what's exactly in these packs? you talked about expensive banners we'd have to keep
[06:48] <ian_brasil> wow...how cool is this...
[06:48] <silbs> rejden: I don't know. We'll have to do it for a while to encounter all the issues with shipping times, customs in various countries, etc.
[06:48] <smurf> I'd suggest that the locoteams get to organize store+forward of any leftovers to the next local event
[06:49] <silbs> Yann2: no, not doing those now. Of course that would be a great thing for LoCo teams to print.
[06:49] <silbs> smurf: good idea
[06:49] <rejden> silbs, cos we have the bigest FOSS event then... and we have some ubuntu workshops and presentations there...
[06:49] <ian_brasil> smurf:+1
[06:49] <Yann2> +1 too
[06:49] <rejden> +1
[06:50] <Yann2> we have a room in Paris and money that should do it for the conference packs
[06:50] <silbs> I think LoCo teams in general have to understand that we simply can't provide CDs and t-shirts and other stuff for every event you wan tto do
[06:50] <smurf> same with CDs of course. I would have absolutely no idea how much of that stuff walks away on a typical day. :-/
[06:50] <silbs> the world is too big, Ubuntu is too popular, stuff is too expensive
[06:50] <ian_brasil> silbs:+2 ;)
[06:51] <Yann2> silbs > what would you suggest then?
[06:51] <mdke> Yann2, just get on with it?
[06:51] <Yann2> mdke > of course, just we can't produce cds on our own ;)
[06:51] <mdke> nope
[06:51] <mdke> nor can fedora-fr
[06:51] <mdke> they can't order them for free either
[06:51] <smurf> Yann2: put the artwork onto the web so that people can iron it oonto their own tshirts ;-)
[06:51] <silbs> mdke +1
[06:52] <silbs> there are lots of things that help Ubuntu that LoCo teams can do without large numbers of CDs
[06:52] <Yann2> mdke  > shipping cds for free was not my idea :p
[06:52] <mdke> yep
[06:52] <smurf> silbs: +1
[06:52] <silbs> have install fests, get your local press to write about Ubuntu
[06:52] <silbs> submit stories of cool local uses of Ubuntu to The Fridge
[06:52] <ian_brasil> recycle
[06:52] <silbs> ian_brasil +1
[06:52] <rejden> well, yes, we already did that, i thought we are discussing the cds and conference packs
[06:53] <rejden> what about to define "how big the event should be" for you to support it
[06:53] <smurf> rejden: the point is to focus on that, not on giving away free buttons and t-shirts
[06:53] <silbs> we will put all the artwork for the CDs (faces & packaging) on the wiki
[06:53] <Yann2> silbs > we are trying to do all that :)
[06:53] <silbs> Yann2: that's great, keep it up :)
[06:53] <rejden> smurf, did i say something about buttons and shirts?
[06:53] <smurf> rejden: not you specifically
[06:53] <mdke> Yann2, but don't feel that you have to try and do too much, concentrate on what you can do
[06:54] <Yann2> silbs > it won't be a problem if ubuntu suddenly stops to produce cds, but it's true that the cds are a cause of the rapid growth of ubuntu
[06:54] <rejden> smurf, i'm just curious about those cds and conference packs, we still have some 5.04 but it might be gone until then
[06:54] <Yann2> mdke > we really can do much ;) 
[06:55] <mdke> Yann2, yes
[06:55] <Yann2> so I think we're off topic for a long time now
[06:55] <Yann2> trademark agreement: will be discussed per mail
[06:55] <smurf> Yann2: somewhat ;-)
[06:55] <smurf> OK... anything else on conference packs?
[06:55] <smurf> I hope not :)
[06:55] <Yann2> shipping cds: abandoned, not useful as the cds are shipped from the NL
[06:56] <Yann2> Conference packs, i think everything's clear
[06:56] <smurf> last item: locoteam team
[06:56] <smurf> I don't know who added that to the agenda; I submit that we already have one ;-)
[06:56] <Yann2> smurf > don't think there is a need for this as there iare locoteam meeting now.
[06:57] <smurf> Yann2: that too.
[06:57] <Yann2> smurf > oh? which is? :D
[06:57] <Mark_Ramm> Is the idea to have people recruting LoCo teams in new places?
[06:59] <silbs> the CC approves new teams. If there is a need for a LoCo Team Team, it should be proposed to them.  Usually the CC wants to know what the team will be doing, that there is enough demand for it and who the leader is (because small  leaderless teams turn into inactive teams)
[06:59] <mdke> silbs, there kind of is one already, loco-contacts, but it is not official i guess
[06:59] <silbs> mdke: yes, it does seem like it is a de facto team.
[06:59] <sabdfl> happy to make it official, if it goes through the simple process
[06:59] <silbs> it's up to you guys if you want to make it official
[06:59] <mdke> it is simply for the purposes of the mailing list, and these meeting afaics :)
[07:00] <Yann2> silbs > the idea was 2 or 3 persons gathering information among canonical and distributing them to other locoteams, but I don't think there is a need for that anymore, as i'm quite pleased with how the things are now
[07:00] <smurf> we'll do a short report at the next CC meeting
[07:01] <smurf> and tell them that yes, there is such a team ;-)
[07:01] <mdke> cool i gtg
[07:01] <mdke> thanks all
[07:01] <smurf> likewise
[07:01] <Yann2> so
[07:01] <smurf> my kida are getting demanding too ;-)
[07:01] <Yann2> bye, thanks for your time
[07:01] <smurf> kids
[07:02] <ian_brasil> i think we are forgetting something
[07:02] <smurf> seconded; thanks for your time and input everybody
[07:02] <smurf> ian_brasil: ?
[07:02] <rejden> well, i don't think we agreed on something at all ;)
[07:02] <ian_brasil> we are having a full moon party called 'Penguin on the Beach' (it is better in Portuguese:) to celebrate the launch of breezy...everyone is welcome !!
[07:02] <ian_brasil> http://www.ubuntu-br.org/Wiki/EventosUbuntuBr
[07:02] <ian_brasil> what are others doing?
[07:03] <rejden> well, we don't have beach
[07:03] <rejden> :)
[07:03] <silbs> ian_brasil: great!
[07:03] <smurf> that's a good topic for The Fridge
[07:03] <titus`lap> http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/evenements/breezy_party
[07:04] <ian_brasil> we need to make some noise ,no
[07:04] <silbs> release parties are a good LoCo team activity - gather Ubunteros or potential Ubunteros and debate the merits of your favorite Ubuntu controversy over beers.
[07:04] <Mark_Ramm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseParty
[07:05] <smurf> Mark_Ramm: thanks for the link
[07:05] <smurf> OK, are we done *now*?  ;-) :-)
[07:05] <ian_brasil> we have some peoplewho have nothing to do with the party/launch trying tomtake credit for it
[07:06] <ian_brasil> sort of reflected glory i think
[07:07] <ian_brasil> i am not sure how we can resolve this easily
[07:08] <ian_brasil> we have no formal structure to say this is an event of ubuntu brazil
[07:08] <Mark_Ramm> ian_brasil:  that sucks! Perhaps you can use it as a chance to talk/pressure them into getting involved.
[07:09] <ian_brasil> i can try 
[07:10] <ian_brasil> i am not sure this is appropriate to be discussed here
[07:10] <Mark_Ramm> it's best if you can bring people into the community rather than letting them divide the community
[07:10] <Mark_Ramm> Agreed.   
[07:10] <ian_brasil> just wanted to let you know of the problems we are facing
[07:10] <smurf> ian_brasil: if you need further input, the -contacts list might be a good place to ask people
[07:10] <ian_brasil> ok,thx
[07:11] <smurf> unfortunately such problems tend not to have easy solutions :-/
[07:11] <ian_brasil> as long as they have solutions ;)
[07:11] <smurf> OK, everybody, I need to go (the kids are now *hungry*) ...
[07:12] <smurf> need to take the opportunity before they grab the junk food. Another problem with no easy solution ;-)
[07:12] <smurf> Can somebody mail a summary to the list?
[07:13] <ian_brasil> ok, i will do it
[07:13] <smurf> ian_brasil: thanks
[07:14] <smurf> ... until next time ...
[07:14] <smurf> thanks for your time and input everybody
[07:14] <silbs> bye all, thanks
[07:14] <smurf> hmm, I guess I already said that ;-)
[07:20] <ian_brasil> eek, anyone logging this channel??
[07:21] <rejden> smurf, yes ;)
[07:22] <ian_brasil> can they mail me a copy vern@riseup.net
[07:22] <smurf> ian_brasil: ubuntulog -- that's at people.u.com/~fabbione/irclogs, IIRC
[09:14] <lastone> Mithrandir, hi. [c]  Ivarix
[09:21] <lastone> mitsuhiko, hi! [c]  Ivar
[11:23] <coobra> hello