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janimobmonty, yes the program will have to be new-version-ubuntu1 and you merge upstream and ubuntu changes12:25
bmontyjanimo: thanks, I already uploaded it to REVU12:25
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ryugood night01:08
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bddebianKICK ASS01:44
tsengeh01:45
bddebianI fixed droidbattles finally :)01:46
tsenggood one01:47
bmontynice01:47
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sebestanyone using gnome-power-manager ?01:53
bmontysebest: yes01:55
sebestbmonty: you don't have a crash when your battery is at 5% ?01:55
bmontysebest: no01:56
sebestfor me it crashes, i even have a backtrace of it01:56
bmontysebest: you should open a bug on it01:58
Trashcanany idea why I have all the python gtk packages installed, but 'import gtk' fails?02:00
sebestbmonty: i'll investigate it a bit more02:00
sebestTrashcan, you only need pygtk02:00
Trashcani have that02:01
sebestpython-gtk202:01
Trashcanpython-gtk2 is already the newest version.02:01
sebestdo you have /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0 ?02:02
Trashcanyup02:02
sebestand ../pygtk.py ?02:03
Trashcanyeh02:03
sebestdoes "import pygtk" works?02:03
Trashcanyessir02:04
sebestis it python 2.4 ?02:04
Trashcanyes02:05
Trashcanhang on02:06
sebesttry this:02:06
sebestimport pygtk02:06
sebestprint pygtk._get-available_versions()02:06
sebestoups02:06
bddebianLaserJock: Your ghemical and mopac stuff just came through02:06
sebestprint pygtk._get_available_versions()02:07
Trashcan{'2.0': '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '1.2': '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-1.2'}02:07
Trashcanit's something else causing hte problem02:07
sebestno do this:02:08
sebestpygtk.require('2.0')02:08
sebestand try importing gtk: import gtk02:08
sebestbtw why do you have gtk-2.0 in /usr/local ???????02:09
Trashcanthat's where it installed to :\02:09
Trashcanhttp://trashes.pastebin.com/38115702:09
sebestyou compiled it from source?02:09
Trashcannope02:09
Trashcansynaptic02:09
sebestso rm -rf it02:09
sebestsynaptic never install stuff in /usr/local afaik02:10
slomoTrashcan: our packages install the stuff into /usr02:10
LaserJockbddebian: great news, so when would it be in the repo?02:10
Trashcan:\02:10
Trashcani never compiled02:10
Trashcani never even downloaded it02:10
Trashcanheh02:10
sebestrm -rf /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.002:10
Trashcank02:10
Trashcanis it possible it came with something else I compiled?02:10
bddebianLaserJock: Hard to say since libghemical and mopac7 are NEW.02:10
Trashcandeleted02:11
sebestretry the get_avail ...02:11
slomook, good night everybody :)02:11
sebestnight slomo02:11
Trashcan{'2.0': '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '1.2': '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-1.2'}02:11
Trashcannight slomo02:11
sebestTrachcan, it looks better now02:12
Trashcanit works fine now02:12
Trashcan:)02:12
sebest;)02:12
Trashcanthanks!02:12
sebestu'r welcome ;)02:12
TrashcanI'm a windows dev, so I've never touched this gtk stuff :)02:13
TrashcanI've never touched python, at that02:13
sebesti'm also new to python02:13
sebestthe more i use it, the more i like it :)02:13
Trashcansame :D02:13
sebestbed time for me, bye Trashcan02:14
Trashcannight02:14
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ajmitchafternoon02:24
bmontyhey ajmitch02:25
tambaquiafternoon?02:26
ajmitchbddebian: you let unfixed bugs creep up to 500 again!02:26
ajmitchI just had to close one to compensate02:26
tambaquiok, I'm sorry in Brasil is night02:26
ajmitchtambaqui: that's nice, but it's afternoon where I am :)02:27
tambaquiok :)02:27
bddebianajmitch: Aye sorry. :'-(  I have sucked today :'-(02:28
ajmitchbddebian: at least you fixed droidbattles02:28
ajmitchit's monday here, so I can't fix many02:29
bmontyI've been watching bddebian all day and he has been slacking!02:30
bddebianAye :-(02:30
ajmitchbddebian: well how are you going to get 1337 karma if you don't fix bugs? ;)02:32
bmontylol02:32
bddebianajmitch: No shix :-(02:33
=== ajmitch write up bddebian in the MOTU report
bddebianpfft02:37
=== Kyral thinks to himself *Do I really wanna become a MOTU after watchin' these guys?* :P
bddebianHeh02:40
bddebianajmitch: Better to put in bmonty :-)02:40
bmontyput in that I'll never be an MOTU cause I can't get to the technical board meetings02:40
ajmitchoh I shoudl put in both of you02:41
bddebianbmonty: :(02:41
=== Kyral sighs
KyralAt least you guys have a sense of humor02:41
ajmitchwe do? ;)02:42
bddebianKyral: ajmitch doesn't ;-P02:42
bmontyI was going to take Tuesday as a half day to get the to the meeting, my boss was good with it, but then scheduled me for an all day class on that day!02:42
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bddebianbmonty: So just quit. ;-P02:42
KyralIndeed Indeed! For in this life to be serious all the time is quite a waste indeed!02:42
bmontybddebian: quitting in not an option for me :)02:42
KyralI'll take his spot02:43
bddebianbmonty: Yeah me either but it sounds good sometimes doesn't it? :-)02:43
ajmitchbddebian: you're right, I don't have a sense of humour02:43
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KyralOh well, I'm just sitting around to learn. But right now Love Hina calls02:44
bmontywtf is "Love Hina"??02:44
ajmitchKyral: learn away :) you want to help fix bugs?02:44
KyralAnime :D02:44
bmonty...or maybe I don't want to know02:44
Kyralajmitch, I've already helped out in #ubuntu-desktop02:45
ajmitchyes, I saw you were there02:45
KyralBut tonight I need to relax 'cause tomarrow I gotta work my butt off. Big contest starting02:45
bmontybddebian: did you use that -D with the compile options for xmkmf?02:48
bddebianbmonty: Aye02:49
bmontyno dice?02:49
ajmitchah, xmkmf02:49
bddebianIt seems to get re-assigned again by the X11.rules02:49
bddebian /etc/X11/config/cf/X11.rules:41: warning: "XBinDir" redefined02:49
bddebianajmitch: You know it?02:49
bmontygrep the source for it and delete the lines :)02:49
bddebianbmonty: I personally think our xmkmf package is b0rked but I ain't touching that one :-)02:50
bmontyI wouldn't either02:50
ajmitchbddebian: I just know that you need to sacrifice a goat to the spirits of X to get it to work02:50
bddebianajmitch: That seems to be the general response/feeling :-)02:51
bmontywhere is a good reference on debconf's config file?02:53
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KyralWell that was unpleasent02:53
bddebianbmonty: Did you say you were already looking at libmetakit?02:53
bmontybddebian: I don't think so02:53
bddebianOK02:55
bmontyI'm looking at msttcorefonts right now02:55
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bddebianHeya crimsun02:56
bddebianGotta run for  bit.  bbl02:56
crimsunhey bddebian02:56
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bmontybbl03:05
bmontybddebian: check out the new xmkmf package03:05
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bddebianajmitch: Got another 1.. ;-P04:45
ajmitchyay04:49
=== ajmitch is at work, can hardly spend much time bug fixing :P
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ajmitchs/nit/it/04:50
bddebianmwuhahaha04:50
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=== bddebian looks at pornview bug just for fun
ajmitchsure05:16
bddebianHeh05:19
bddebianMaybe I'll rename it NAMBLAview ;-P05:19
bigcx2hey guys05:19
bddebianHello bigcx205:20
ajmitchbddebian: suits you :)05:20
bigcx2how long does it usually take to get approved as a ubuntu member?05:20
ajmitchhello bigcx205:20
ajmitchbigcx2: it depends on what work you've done05:20
ajmitchsince they look for contributions over a period of time05:20
bigcx2ahh so they consistently check out your wiki page, etc until they feel you've contributed enough?05:21
ajmitchno, that would be too much work :)05:22
bigcx2lol i see05:22
ajmitchyou turn up at  community council meeting05:22
bddebianajmitch: :-)05:22
ajmitchand it gets reviewed there05:22
ajmitchand people speaj up for you saying how they'v worked with you, your contibutions, etc05:22
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ajmitchs/speaj/speak/05:22
bigcx2oh ok05:23
=== bddebian is still amazed that he got in :-)
ajmitchbddebian: why?05:23
bigcx2i haven't exactly worked with anybody on a project yet but i just finished writing some documentation and fixing a broken package...05:23
bddebianajmitch: From my lack of contributions. ;-P05:24
bigcx2bddebian: what did you do to get in initially?05:24
bddebianbigcx2: I just tried to help with fixing packages.05:24
ajmitchbddebian: sure, you've done *nothing*.. right..05:24
bddebianajmitch: Right ;-P05:24
bddebianbigcx2: And made some wiki pages, etc05:25
ajmitchthey were desperate for people when they let me in :P05:25
bigcx2alright well @ least i'm on the right path05:25
bigcx2lol05:25
ajmitchthey'd take anyone who was barely warm05:25
bddebianajmitch: Oh OK Mr. DD05:25
bigcx2haha05:25
bigcx2DD?05:26
ajmitchbddebian: I wasn't then05:26
bddebianbigcx2: Debian Developer05:26
bigcx2Debian Developer05:26
bigcx2duh05:26
bigcx2lol05:26
bigcx2that's pretty sweet05:27
tambaqui:)05:27
bddebianbigcx2: Yeah, ajmitch is a stud :)05:28
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ajmitchmy main contribution is lurking on IRC05:28
bigcx2so can anybody tell me why ubuntu and debian don't just merge together and make one unstoppable linux beast05:29
ajmitchbecause they have different goals, and trying to make debian fit a 6 month release cycle would be painful?05:30
bddebianDifferent philosphies05:30
bddebianphilosophies even05:30
bigcx2i guessed it had somethin to do with releases05:31
bigcx2what's the difference in philosophy?05:31
bigcx2the way administration is handled?05:32
ajmitchdebian is the 'universal OS', for many architectures & a huge number of supported packages05:32
ajmitchwhich makes it great to make derivatives from05:32
bddebianFrom an outsider perspective I think Ubuntu tends to be more desktop oriented where Debian not so much so05:33
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bigcx2yea i can see that05:33
bigcx2i guess as long as changes made in ubuntu (i.e. bugs, etc) can be easily pushed back into debian and vice versa there isn't a problem05:33
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bigcx2do you guys think that's the case as it is now?05:34
ajmitchthat's what we aim to do05:34
ajmitchand it's working somewhat05:34
ajmitchbut there are people involved, so things don't always run smooth :)05:34
ajmitchhey jsgotangco05:34
bigcx2i hear ya05:35
jsgotangcohi05:35
jsgotangcohmm im having serious slowdown over here05:36
ajmitchso am I05:36
=== ajmitch running windows :P
bddebianheh05:36
bigcx2oh wait a sec05:37
bigcx2ajmitch: you're the guy that's taking care of my zope-ldap bug report on malone05:37
bigcx2just got the connection there05:38
ajmitchoh, that's you :)05:39
ajmitchyou have the package for me to look at? :)05:39
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bigcx2yea it's on my homepage but i think our server might be pissed right now :) hold on05:39
ajmitchthe way I was using dh_installzope, it complained05:40
KyralAre there are Universe Candidates I can take a shot at?05:40
bigcx2i couldn't do it in one file05:40
ajmitchKyral: sure, pick one on the wiki page, check that it's not already in universe or on revu.tauware.de05:41
ajmitchbigcx2: it's not meant to be done in one file, I think05:41
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bigcx2right, but in the current version it is05:41
bigcx2:)05:41
bigcx2my wepage is kinda bein squirrely right now05:42
bigcx2s/wepage/webpage05:42
bigcx2how else can i get it to ya05:42
Kyralhmm05:42
KyralI'm gonna tackle ABC05:42
ajmitchbigcx2: email a debdiff to me05:44
ajmitchbigcx2: if you changed it, and changed debian/changelog05:44
ajmitchthen you can dpkg-buildpackage -S05:44
ajmitchto get a new .dsc file05:44
bddebian*sigh*  No one wants to fix the broken stuff05:44
ajmitchand debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc05:44
ajmitchbddebian: that's what you were hired for05:44
bigcx2alright05:45
bddebianHeh05:45
bigcx2brb05:45
bddebianWell I haven't seen my paycheck yet.. ;-P05:45
ajmitchbddebian: we pay with with our love & respect ;)05:46
KyralSo if I get this packaged I just send it to one of you guys?05:46
ajmitchKyral: ideally you'd upload it to revu.tauware.de05:46
bddebianKyral: No, you need to request an account on revu05:46
KyralI'm not a MOTU05:46
Kyraljust a MOTU wannabe :P05:46
ajmitchthat's what it's there for05:46
bddebianajmitch: Then I'm definetly underpaid.. ;-P05:46
ajmitchso non-MOTUs can upload stuff05:46
ajmitchand we check it05:46
ajmitchbddebian: ok, we really pay you in abuse ;)05:47
Kyraloh wait...I should make a Hoary Chroot for this..05:47
ajmitchwhy hoary?05:47
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Kyral'cause I'm in Breezy :P05:47
ajmitchso?05:47
Kyralgood point!05:47
ajmitchwe always develop packages for the current development release05:47
KyralHere goes!05:48
bddebianajmitch: Oh is that what we are supposed to be doing?? :-)05:48
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=== ajmitch watches the world cry out at the use of dh_make
ajmitchbddebian: apparantly05:49
Kyralits the only way I know how right now :P05:49
ajmitchI'm just biased :)05:51
Kyralhold on, there is no Makefile....is that gonna be a problem?05:51
KyralAnyway Showering calls05:52
bigcx2ajmitch: what email should is send it to05:58
bigcx2i*05:58
ajmitchajmitch@ubuntu.com will be fine06:01
bigcx2alright, sent it06:02
bmontygood night everyone06:04
jsgotangconight06:04
bigcx2night06:04
bddebianGnight bmonty06:04
bddebianI think I'll call it a night too.  Later folks06:06
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ajmitchbigcx2: looks very similar to what I did :)06:10
ajmitchexcept I was getting:06:11
ajmitchdh_installzope python/Products/ZLDAPMethods06:11
ajmitchdh_installzope: unable to handle directories and multiple dzproduct/dzextension files06:11
bigcx2hm06:11
bigcx2i know mine worked06:11
bigcx2i put it in our local repository06:12
bigcx2and tested it06:12
bigcx2i don't remember getting any errors06:12
bigcx2it will be nice when i can just upload my stuff into universe06:13
bigcx2:)06:13
ajmitchit can take a little while06:13
bigcx2ajmitch: what all did you put into those two files06:15
ajmitchaha06:15
ajmitch+ zope-ldap (1.1.0-3ubuntu2) hoary; urgency=low06:15
ajmitchwe build for breezy06:15
ajmitcha few patch hunks were rejected06:16
bigcx2whoops, didn't think about that one06:16
bigcx2hold on a sec06:16
ajmitchI can fix that up06:16
ajmitchsince debian/control rejected as well for some reason06:16
bigcx2can you tell that from the debdiff06:18
bigcx2i've never had to use that before06:18
ajmitchnot off hand06:18
ajmitchbut I'm still at work :)06:18
ajmitchso I'll fix it up when I go home in a few minutes06:19
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bigcx2alright cool06:19
Kyralhmm06:19
Kyralhow would I package a bunch of py files?06:19
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bigcx2night06:20
ajmitchbigcx2: night :)06:20
ajmitchKyral: does it use distutils?06:20
Kyralwazzat>06:20
ajmitchis there a setup.py there?06:21
Kyrala setupabc.py06:22
ajmitchright, so probably not06:22
ajmitchso you'll have to write most of the installation or hack setupabc.py :)06:22
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Kyraland I know nothing about Python06:23
Kyralbut what is DistUtils?06:23
ajmitchyou know nothing about python, but you want to package this?06:23
KyralI didn't know it was in Python until I unpacked it06:23
ajmitch\sh! :)06:24
\shmoins06:25
\shgnarf06:25
\shdoko_: did u requested a sync of rrdcollect?06:25
\shdoko_: because it is like this, please check the next time the buildds, if the source compiles :(06:28
KyralAck! Time for an ugly hack!06:29
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ajmitchbbiab, time to walk home06:33
Kyralwell this is interesting06:36
Kyralanyone ever hear of scons?06:39
tritiummake replacement?06:44
lifelessyes06:44
Kyralyah06:45
Kyralthis vDrift uses it06:46
\shand sometimes a real buildd beast06:46
KyralI wonder if dh_make is gonna freak out..06:46
\shwhat has dh_make to do with it?06:46
KyralIts the only way I know how to make packages right now06:46
\shit won't even recognize scons ;) so u have to deal with it in debian/rules itself06:47
Kyralah06:48
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Kyralwell one hurdle is outta the way, thing compiles and runs by itself nicely06:50
KyralI'll finish this tomarrow07:01
KyralShouldn't be hard IF the changes I made in Rules hold..07:05
\shhmmm..why don't we have the lastfm player in universe?07:11
ajmitchyay, new memory card for camera, I can take plenty of UBZ photos now ;)07:13
\shajmitch: bah..I need a new camera first ;)07:13
tritiumanyone en route to UBZ that passes through New Mexico is welcome at my place07:16
ajmitchflying through SF & vancouver, sorry :)07:17
tritium:)07:17
tritiumYeah, it's not a likely stop for many here :)07:17
ajmitch\sh: I picked up my tickets today from the travel agent, too ;)07:17
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ajmitchsigh, I still need more karma :)07:19
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Burgundaviaajmitch, what is the flight number out of vancouver?07:28
ajmitchumm07:29
ajmitchlet me check07:29
ajmitchAC18207:30
\shwoo...the fog07:31
Burgundaviaajmitch, you are flying later in the day than me07:31
ajmitchBurgundavia: or earlier07:31
=== Burgundavia gets to be at the airport for a 6am flight, the joys of flying east
ajmitchI get into Montreal at 7:11AM on the 29th07:31
Burgundaviaajmitch, AC flight numbers are linear07:31
Burgundaviaouch07:31
ajmitchwhen do you arrive?07:32
\shajmitch: what? so prepare some beer for siretart and me we're joining you around 17:00 montreal time ;)07:32
ajmitch\sh: I think we're having a little celebration on the 29th anyway ;)07:32
\shajmitch: hehe...drinking the jetlag away ;)07:33
Burgundaviaajmitch, hmm, odd, 3:40 pm of me07:33
ajmitchhaha07:33
ajmitchjetlag+alcohol would be harsh07:33
\shajmitch: well...I'm starting with this drinking party around 8am UTC ;)07:33
ajmitch:)07:34
\shajmitch: well...for us it's not a problem...starting 14:00 UTC+2 -> arrival in montreal: 16:00 montreal time07:35
ajmitchah07:35
\shso actually a 2 hours flight *sigh*07:35
ajmitchheh07:35
ajmitchI go the other way07:35
ajmitchleave NZ on the 28th, at 8:20pm07:36
ajmitcharrive in SF on the 28th, at 12:20 :)07:36
ajmitchso I go back in time07:36
ajmitchgoing home, I have a flight that leaves the US on the 15th & arrives in auckland on the 17th07:37
\shwow...07:38
=== ajmitch might need to drink a few to get over that one ;)
Burgundaviait took me 3 days to get home from mataro07:39
BurgundaviaI had two overnight stays, one in London and one in Vancouver07:39
ajmitchI made sure I don't have any overnight stays07:39
ajmitchI do have 8 hours to kill in LAX though :(07:39
Burgundaviacouldn't avoid it07:39
Burgundavianothing left spain early enough to get a westbound flight07:40
Burgundaviaas the last one leaves around 3 pm07:40
\shwell...for us it's quite good...07:40
\shleaving cologne at 10:54 .de time, arriving 11:45 .de time in frankfurt, leaving 2pm .de time frankfurt so only 2 1/4 hours to kill...but I think there will be some other ubuntu guys to meet up with and have a drink07:41
ajmitchbtw can people fill in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft so that dholbach doesn't have to do it all, please? :)07:41
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\shhmmm....07:50
\shI need to test a new daily iso07:50
ajmitchfor your network driver?07:50
\shyepp07:50
\shhttp://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16785 <- nice one I figured out07:54
ajmitchoh, that one :)07:56
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ormandjis there any reason postfix-mysql is linked to libmysql10 instead of 12 like every other mysql depending program?08:08
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ormandjor is that something i should submit a bug report on?08:08
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ajmitchfile bug08:09
ormandjajmitch, hi :) nice to see you again, how are you today?08:09
ormandjand ok, will do.08:09
ajmitchI'm good, how are you?08:10
ormandjwell, i spent the last week working on LDAP as a directory server for all of the server-side apps, and it's just so backwards it's retarded, so i'm going to deploy mysql for that purpose instead08:10
ormandjso was bad, but now good08:10
ormandjwhen the only source of good documentation is RFCs, something is wrong. ;)08:11
ajmitchespecially when things don't follow the RFCs properly :)08:11
ormandjyes, which is what i ran into, and why i've been tearing my hair out, lol08:11
ormandji'll just cluster a bunch of mysql servers to effectively do the same thing as replication in LDAP and be done with it08:12
ormandjnow if only ubuntu.com would let me login :P08:13
ajmitch:)08:13
ormandjhow's life treating you ajmitch?08:13
ajmitchfairly well, finished work for the day08:13
ormandjgood good, you're a kiwi i see, like it there? i only visited once so i'm a bit curious :)08:14
ajmitchyeah, I am, it's quite good08:14
ajmitchwhen were you in NZ?08:14
ajmitchbtw what's the time there now? I'm curious to see what TZ difference there is08:15
ormandji was there about 2 years ago, in march. (2003)08:15
ormandjit's 2015 here08:15
ajmitchnice, did you visit dunedin?08:15
ajmitchok, 1915 here08:15
ormandji'm horrible with names, anything i should remember if i did?08:15
ajmitchdunedin is down south08:16
ajmitchif you visited the south island :)08:16
ormandjna, i don't believe i did08:16
ajmitchthat's a shame08:16
ormandjthat's the nice part?08:16
ajmitchit's the nicest part  :)08:16
ormandjhehe08:16
ormandjwell, i leave the country once a month or so, i'll put it on my list. you suggest dunedin?08:17
jsgotangcois the south island middle earth? =)08:17
ormandjjsgotangco, no, that's hawaii where i live :P08:17
ajmitchjsgotangco: no, but parts of middle earth were in the south :)08:17
ajmitchormandj: dunedin is just where I live at the moment08:17
ajmitchnot a bad little town08:17
ajmitchwe've got linux.conf.au here in january08:17
Yagisanajmitch: note the .au08:17
ajmitchYagisan: of course08:18
ormandjnice. when exactly? i'll be in romania until about the 8th of janurary08:18
ajmitch23rd-28th Jan08:18
Yagisanhehe - you'll be two more states soon hehe08:18
ormandjhm, i might be able to work that out. pretty nice conference?08:18
ajmitchYagisan: unlikely - NZ would join as one state I think08:18
Yagisanajmitch: sorry - I just could not resist08:18
ajmitchormandj: yeah, one of the best technical conferences still around08:18
ajmitchYagisan: I'm just waiting for the common border, common currency, and common deportation rules ;)08:19
Yagisanajmitch: Although for most intents and purposes - we are one country08:19
ajmitchof course08:19
jsgotangcoajmitch, lot's of places to stay during linux.conf?08:20
ajmitchthe south island wouldn't be self sufficient enough to have a state government08:20
ajmitchjsgotangco: I hope so :)08:20
jsgotangcowell i wouldn't really want to sleep in a tent...08:20
Yagisanajmitch: well if tasmiania can be a state - I don't see why south island can't08:20
ormandjajmitch, i'll probably be pestering you about that come december when i start making plans08:20
ajmitchYagisan: how many people in tasmania?08:20
Yagisanajmitch: about half a million08:22
ajmitchok08:22
Yagisanajmitch: south island ?08:23
ajmitcha bit more than that, maybe 800K people08:23
ajmitchbrb08:23
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slomodoko: already told elmo/lamont/infinity to remove eclipse from pas at least for amd64 and ppc?11:46
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marcin_a`hi guys12:26
markumanhi, for my first upload package on revu i have make it wrong :-/ and so ive build it new. should i upload it or waiting for deleting my first upload?12:27
siretartmarkuman: just reupload your new try12:28
marcin_a`could someone tell me if there is a difference between: dpkg-buildpackage and running debian/rules binary directly in sources tree?12:29
siretartmarkuman: your new upload will get another upload id, no problem therefore12:29
siretartmorning folks12:29
janimohi siretart12:29
ajmitchhi12:29
siretartmarcin_a`: dpkg-buildpackage does a bit more. look in /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage for details, it is written in perl12:29
siretartmorning janimo, hi ajmitch12:30
marcin_a`siretart: hmm I don't know perl but this script is pretty easy to understand... it does a bit more but not much12:34
marcin_a`siretart: anyway thanks for info12:34
siretartmarcin_a`: you're welcome12:35
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markumanhm, i think i need a little help for log in on revue. gpg -d and there is nothing for copy and paste :-/01:00
markumanor am i wrong?01:00
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sistpotyhi folks01:27
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slomoall dead here? ;)01:50
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sistpotyslomo: should we morgue ghc5?01:51
slomoyes... i know of at least 3 people who said that this should be morgued ;)01:51
sistpotyok, so be it ;)01:52
slomobut seems like elmo doesn't like to remove stuff from the archives... at least he didn't answer my mails01:52
sistpotyhehe01:52
sistpotyyou did ask him to morgue it already?01:52
slomono... but other stuff01:52
sistpotyok01:52
slomobut... if you write him a mail maybe include my stuff too ;)01:53
sistpoty*g*01:53
slomowhat's your email address? i'll forward my mail to you ;)01:53
sistpotydaemon@poleboy.de and now even sistpoty@ubuntu.com ;)01:53
slomook, sent01:54
sistpotyI'd like to ask the dd (wibble) about ghc5 first, maybe he's got some deeper insights... what do you think?01:54
slomodon't know... so better ask him :)01:55
sistpotyok, I'll cc you ;)01:56
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sistpotyslomo: mail to wibble is out02:06
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sistpotycya02:34
siretartbye sistpoty!02:34
siretartgnarf, too late :/02:34
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zakamehi all02:48
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KyralGood morning03:34
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KyralTime to start hacking away again03:35
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bddebianHeya gang03:48
Kyralyo03:49
Kyralsup03:49
bddebianHeya Kyral03:50
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KyralRight now I'm hoping that the changes I made to the Rules file for vdrift hold up03:51
bddebianHeh03:52
Kyraltried to modify it to use scons03:52
KyralHave no clue if its gonna work03:52
KyralAh well, only one way to find out03:56
KyralActually the prospect of me becoming a MOTU both amuses and scares people at my Linux Lab03:57
bddebianHehe, I know that feeling :-)03:58
KyralHad a friend who uses Debian tell me "Stay out of my Distro!"03:58
Trashcan:p03:58
KyralActually if any of you guys could spare a sec could you look at a project I have been working on?03:59
bddebianKyral: I can't at the moment but maybe in a bit04:00
Kyralyah its no prob04:00
Kyralthing is still beta...04:00
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Trashcanwhat is it exactly?04:05
KyralEh, Link is better :P04:05
Kyralespcially since I'm coding right now04:06
Kyralhttp://www.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/fa2005/students/petermcv/04:06
Kyralthe second one04:06
KyralAnd before you ask WHY it was made in C++, its because its the only language I'm proficient in (aside from HTML and CSS) right now04:07
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zakamehmmm, lighttpd has so many deps04:11
KyralGah, who is the Copyright holder to vDrift?04:13
KyralIts clear that its GPL2, but who is the owner?04:13
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KyralI'll just put the guy who is in charge of the SourceForge project for it04:14
Kyralerr, the developer guys :P04:15
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Seveashi ogra!04:20
ograhi04:20
Seveasogra, I wanna triage bugs and mdz is a bit unresponsive04:20
Seveascan you give me editbug privileges?04:20
ograhe's away, and i'll be soon too.. its a public holiday here04:21
ograyup04:21
Seveasthanks!04:21
Kyralhey I change "unstable" to "breezy" right?04:21
Kyralin the changelog?04:21
ograSeveas, whats your bugzilla account ?04:22
bddebianKyral: Yes04:22
bddebianHeya ogra04:22
Seveasdennis@kaarsemaker.net04:22
ograah, double n ;)04:22
Kyralhey can you enable mine to mark things in the Bugzilla too?04:22
ograSeveas, done04:22
ograbddebian, hi04:22
Seveasogra, tyvm!04:23
ogra:)04:23
Seveaslet the triaging begin :)04:23
blueyedWhere should I file a bug report for package "translate" (from universe) in Breezy?04:25
bddebianw00t Seveas04:25
bddebianblueyed: Malone04:25
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bddebianSeveas: I've got one for ya if you are looking for something to fix! :-)04:28
KyralAnyone wanna suggest how I built a package that I shouldn't have been able to?04:28
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zakamehmmm... which is better? one lighttpd with all the features, or several lighttpd-* pkgs with individual features?04:29
Kyralwell holy cow04:29
Kyralit seems that my rules hack to scons worked04:29
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Kyralor not..04:33
bddebianKyral: Why shouldn't you have been able to04:34
KyralBecause accordng to the objdump I didn't have libstdc++6-dev (which I listed as a build-dep 'cause thats what dpkg -S turned up)04:35
Kyralanyone know what I have to pass to Sconstruct to get it to install into the current dir?04:37
Kyralnm..04:38
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Kyralanyone know the equiv to install -d in scons?04:53
dereks_anyplans for ifolder support in breezy?04:53
Nafallohmm04:54
Nafallohe didn't have time to wait or something, said peer :-).04:54
KyralThing compiles fine, but it keeps trying to install into the system..04:55
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ryuhi05:02
zakamehmm, what do I do if the upstream source has a ./debian dir?  shall I move it somewhere else?  or shall I kindly ask upstream to remove it?05:02
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KyralI hate scons....05:07
KyralWhy oh why can't people stick with Makefiles?05:07
bddebianWTF is scons?05:10
Kyralsome python based Make replacement05:10
bddebianAhh05:10
KyralWhich vdrift just happens to use05:10
bddebianUse install -d in your rules to move the files around if you have to :)05:11
KyralScons doesn't USE install -d05:11
bddebianI understand that but you are using a debian/rules file right?05:11
Kyralyah05:11
zakamecould that be a bug?05:11
Lathiatajmitch: avahi 0.5.2 will be a sync from experimental soon05:11
KyralSCons is basically a python script. And since I don't know python...05:12
Kyralor do you mean preface the scons command with install -d?05:13
bddebianKyral: paste your debian/rules to a pastebin somewhere05:13
KyralThing builds fine, its just that it tries to jump to the root of the system05:13
bddebianWhat do you mean by jump to the root??05:14
zakamecd / ?05:14
KyralIt tries to install into /usr/games05:15
bddebianIs it a dh_make package?05:16
Kyral#ubuntu-scons05:17
Kyralno05:17
Kyralhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/273805:18
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Kyraland here is the error (at the bottom)05:21
Kyralhttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/273905:21
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KyralI'm half ready to say **** scons and write a Makefile05:25
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bddebianKyral: Ah.  Yes, what I am saying is that in install: build section after the scons isntall ... line, you should be able to do something like  install -d -m 644 $(CURDIR)/debian/vdrift-20051002/foo/bar $(CURDIR)/usr/foo/bar05:26
bddebianHeya seth_k05:26
seth_khey bddebian05:26
seth_kwanna take my next Organic Chem exam for me?05:27
Kyralbddebian, it won't even install unless those things are there in the first place05:27
KyralAnyone know the license on Glaxium? The guy seems to have given it up almost a year ago05:28
bddebianseth_k: Sure if you don't mind failing it :-)05:29
seth_kbddebian, couldn't be any worse than I'm doing :D05:29
seth_kteacher is a nut05:29
bddebianHeh05:30
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KyralSomeone else do this05:35
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KyralI'm gonna go work on Glaxium05:36
KyralIf the guy stated he is done (and no longer working on it) what license does it fall under?05:37
LathiatKyral: try google, check ti out, that or look in the /usr/share/docs/glaxium/copyright file05:37
Kyralor I could try looking in the tarball first...05:38
KyralAh, GPL05:39
KyralREADME to the rescue!05:39
Lathiatwell, the copyright file in the package will always have the info05:41
Kyraland I feel like an idiot :P05:41
Lathiatand sometimes finding th einfo in various tarballs is hard05:41
KyralLathiat, its a sourceball05:41
Lathiathence using the debian file the maintainer did the hard work for you ;p05:41
Kyraland the RPMs date to RH805:41
KyralI think its better to compile this one from source :P05:42
Lathiatoh so theres nod eb package, isee05:43
KyralIts in Universe Candidates05:43
Lathiatok05:43
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KyralHow convenient this thing uses AutoConf05:50
Kyralthat means I don't have to mess with the Makefiles right?05:50
pefhello05:53
bddebianHeya pef ;-)05:53
pefcan someone archive kvpnc on REVU ? already uploaded05:53
bddebianHmm, I wonder if I can do that05:54
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bddebiansiretart: ping?05:54
siretartbddebian: you're lucky, man, just connected :)05:54
KyralOh well, I'll package this later05:55
bddebian:-)05:55
KyralI have a contest to win05:55
bddebiansiretart: Did you see pef's question?05:55
Kyraldangit05:56
KyralI won't be able to get my GPG Key signed by any Ubuntu person until UbuntuBelowZero05:57
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siretartah, now I see it05:57
siretartmom05:57
bddebianmom?05:58
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Nafallobddebian: yea, you know... the one that got you in to this world.05:59
bddebianHeh05:59
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siretartjust a moment06:02
KyralI need my GPG Key signed before I can upload to REVU right?06:02
siretartKyral: you should, but for revu, I accept also unsigned keys06:02
KyralWell I can get my friends who also have GPG to sign them06:02
Kyralbut no Ubuntites right now06:03
siretartkvpnc is already archived, huh?06:03
siretartKyral: tell me your keyid06:03
Kyraluuh, lemme snag it06:04
KyralI'm like doing 5 things at once06:04
siretartsame here06:04
Kyral0F1A663906:05
KyralIts on my Launchpad and on my Wiki too06:05
siretartKyral: done06:06
Kyralso I just upload the pack to Revu when I get it done?06:07
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Kyraldupload right?06:08
siretartKyral: you are free to use dupload, I prefer dput, though ;)06:09
Kyralwell I don't have either06:09
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=== ivoks yay!
ivokslol, spam of the week :)06:37
ivoksfrom debiantux2306:37
bddebianHeya ivoks06:37
ivokshey bddebian06:38
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spayneyo gang06:40
spayneslomo: pinh06:41
ivoksbddebian: like what?06:41
ivoksbddebian: don't use debian's packages06:42
bddebianivoks: I'm not I was just trying to get ours to build and it doesn't either :-)06:42
ivoksbddebian: use gcc-3.306:42
bddebianWhy?06:43
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ivoksit doesn't compile with 3.4 from my exp.06:43
spayneyo bddebian06:43
bddebianHeya spayne06:43
ivoksbddebian: i'm dropping openmosix this year06:44
ivoksbddebian: transiting to openssi06:45
bddebianivoks: I know very little about it, I'm just trying to fix broken stuff :-)06:46
ivoksbddebian: don't06:46
ivoksbddebian: not in sarge06:46
ivoksbddebian: it's too much broken06:46
ivoksbddebian: i spent few weeks trying to get debians packages to work06:47
ivoksbddebian: never succeeded.. upstream worked after 2 hours06:47
bddebianivoks: So upload it :-)06:48
ivoksbddebian: no, i said... i give up on openmosix06:48
bddebianOH hehe06:48
ivoksbddebian: that project has to slow development06:49
ivoksbddebian: i'm transiting to openssi06:49
bddebianDoes openssi provide Motif apis?06:49
ivoksmotif apis?06:49
ivokswhat does motif has to do with cluster? :)06:49
bddebianWhoops, never mind, I'm confusing myself at this point ;-P06:49
bddebianI was lookint at something else :-)06:49
ivoksyay06:50
ivoks!!!06:50
ivokswe got green light for EU! :)06:51
spayneEU?06:52
ivokseuropean union06:52
ivoksgod bless austria! :)06:53
spayneivoks: in turkey?06:53
ivoksspayne: croatia06:53
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dholbachhi07:00
bddebianDaniel!!!07:00
dholbachhey barry! :)07:00
bddebiandholbach: Can you check out Malone 2344 for me?07:00
dholbachin a minute, yes07:01
bddebianCoolio, thx07:01
spayneanyone know if resapplet is in universe yet?07:04
dholbachsudo apt-get update; apt-cache show resapplet   should know07:04
dholbachor http://packages.ubuntu.com07:04
dholbachbddebian: looks good to me, but i'm not necessarily an authority07:07
bddebianspayne: apt-cache madison resapplet :-)07:08
bddebiandholbach: Well WTF?? ;-)07:08
spaynemadison?07:08
bddebianYep07:08
dholbachdoes anyone know how to do a '' on the keyboard?07:10
dholbach(with a compose key maybe)?07:10
jamessan|workI usually just use Vim and then highlight/middle-click paste it to wherever I need it07:12
jamessan|worknever bothered figuring out how to do it with the keyboard07:13
dholbachyeah, i pasted it too, but now i manage to do all the other crazy french letters, i'd like to know how to reproduce it on my own ;)07:13
dholbach   ... :)07:13
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siretarthey dholbach!07:14
dholbachhey siretart07:14
siretartcrimsun: around?07:14
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dholbachso who reviews deskbar-applet? :-p07:17
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siretartdoes anyone happen to know why crimsun uploaded wpasupplicant?07:21
dholbachsiretart: sorry, no idea - does the changelog entry say anything?07:23
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siretartdholbach: it says "new upstream version". thats all07:24
dholbachhrm07:25
siretartso he updated breezy to 0.4.5, but I wanted to know why.07:25
dholbachsiretart: does ./NEWS say anything interesting?07:25
siretartther is no NEWS ;)07:26
siretartI assume he had some reason to upgrade to 0.4.507:26
dholbachyeah, crimsun surely had07:26
siretartwell, the new version 'works' for me :)07:32
dholbach:)07:33
ivokswant to see a nice picture of my dog? :)07:35
dholbachyeah07:36
ivokshttp://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/luna.jpg [3MB] 07:36
dholbachWOAH07:36
dholbachdo you want us to count all the spots on the dog? ;)07:36
Nafallolol07:37
ivoks:))07:37
spaynedholbach: any packaging things i could do?07:37
ivoksuse the picture resize on your firefox :)07:37
dholbachspayne: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates :)07:38
Nafalloivoks: dude! you're dog is scary!07:38
Nafalloall black and white except the eyes...07:38
ivoks:))07:38
ivoksgimp did that :)07:38
Nafallo:-P07:39
spaynethis month, i have used 2,032.8 MBytes bandwidth :)07:39
Nafalloehm07:39
dholbachivoks: a nice dog you have :)07:39
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Nafallo2G?07:39
ivoksdholbach: thanks :)07:39
spaynein three days07:39
\shre07:39
\shhmm....thats nothing *g*07:39
Nafalloah, THIS month :-)07:40
ivoks:)07:40
Nafallowho else have an up-to-date breezy amd64 with the gnomefoot still on the toppanel?07:50
Nafalloor on the menubar even...07:50
spayneNafallo: delete /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon.cache07:51
spayneand restart X07:51
spaynejdub told me :)07:51
siretartarg. I don't have the gnomefoot anymore, that is07:51
Nafalloaha07:51
Nafallothanx spayne07:51
Nafallothat's icon-theme.cache, right?07:52
spayneyeh07:53
spaynebrb07:53
Nafallohow nice...08:06
Nafallothe foot is gone :-P08:06
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zygahello motus08:29
zygaI'd like to upgrade a package in motu to learn a thing or two08:29
zygaany developers willing to help me around08:29
zygaI want to upgrade alexandria from 0.5.1 to 0.6.108:29
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zygaI have my key and REVU is all open for me :)08:30
zygaanyone :) ?08:30
dholbachzyga: sure, go ahead... it's just that we're WAY past upstream version freeze - new version require a good justification08:31
dholbachbut nice if you're working on something that will make the world a better place08:31
zygadholbach: I want to learn a thing or two08:32
dholbachyeah08:32
zygadholbach: and maybe put my package of gnu gadu at the same time08:32
dholbachthen go ahead, try it :)08:32
zygaright now I've just pulled original source08:32
zygaand debianized 0.5.108:32
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zygaI'll play with debian/* and see what I can do08:33
dholbachsuper08:33
zygadholbach: I should rename original source to *.orig.tar.gz08:33
zygaright?08:33
dholbachyes08:34
zygaoriginal filename is: alexandria-0.6.1.tar.gz so I guess that makes (read carefully)  alexandria_0.6.1.orig.tar.gz08:34
zygaI don't need .dsc or .changes.gz from 0.5.1 anymore since .dsc is auto generated and I've applied the changes I want - right?08:35
zygaI can write a changelog entry in debian/changelog (manually) to indicate new upstream version08:36
zygafor breezy, low urgency08:36
zygaif anything is not correct feel free to stop me :)08:36
zygaI have a handy macro for vim that makes the changelog info line with my mail and date08:37
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zygadholbach: so far so good?08:39
\shzyga: dch ?08:39
dholbach\sh: you may want to use debian/watch and uupdate08:39
zyga\sh: ??08:39
zygadholbach: I don't know anything about debian/watch but there is one already08:39
dholbachbut i'm currently working on some other crack, so i hope that somebody in this place will help you out08:39
dholbachcool08:40
\shzyga: export DEBNAME="<your name>" ; export DEBMAIL="<your email>"08:40
zygait seems to point to some location08:40
\shzyga: and then dch -i e.g. and you'll get your $EDITOR call including well formatted debian changelog ;)08:40
zyga\sh: I've got EMAIL set, and name seems to get sensible default08:40
zygaaaah :)08:40
zyganeet08:40
zygadch checks for syntax errors, right?08:41
\shdholbach: I want to use what? debian/watch and uupdate?08:41
\shzyga: yeah as well08:41
dholbach\sh: sorry, i meant zyga08:41
zygawhat does debian/watch do?08:41
\shand adds new entries...(dch -a)08:41
zyga\sh: cool, thanks - a new thing already :)08:41
dholbachsorry, \sh, zyga - i'm cracking on something else... i'm a bit confused08:41
\shit checks upstream sources...you enter a download url with some magic regexp and it checks if there is a new upstream version ;)08:41
\shdholbach: hehe :)08:41
\shdholbach: /me cracks right now on problems with the .de community08:42
zyga\sh: nice, how to use it? how to check for new upstream version?08:42
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\shuuscan and uupdate08:42
zyga\sh: which package provides them/08:44
jamessan|workzyga: devscripts08:44
zygajamessan|work: hmm uuscan is not among them08:45
zygaah08:45
zygauscan08:45
zygasigle 'u'08:45
zygasingle08:45
zygathanks08:46
bddebiandholbach: Hey, according to the changelog you were the last one to upload xfonts-terminus..08:46
dholbachbddebian: is that so?08:46
zygacool :-)08:46
dholbachit had a problem with build-depends, right?08:46
zygahmm okay I hit a wall now08:47
zygadoes anyone here speak ruby? :)08:47
zyga/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/date/format.rb:598: [BUG]  unknown node type 008:48
zygaruby 1.8.3 (2005-06-23) [i486-linux] 08:48
bddebiandholbach: Aye :-)08:48
dholbach:)08:49
\shok...going to bed...I'm tired after the afternoon with my son :)08:52
zygahmm08:52
zyga\sh: wait :)08:52
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zygaokay :)08:52
\shthis is one language which I missed in my collection08:53
\shok...cu tomorrow morning latest against 7 UTC :)08:53
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ryuhi09:06
dholbachhi ryu09:08
bddebiandholbach: See, you don't love me either.. ;-P09:08
dholbachbddebian: what did i do wrong THIS TIME?09:09
zygadoes anyone know who handles ruby here?09:09
bddebiandholbach: You won't upload my xfonts-terminus :-)09:09
zygaour ruby is probably broken09:09
dholbachbddebian: did you ask for it anywhere?09:09
bddebiandholbach: I am kidding btw :-)09:09
dholbachok09:09
dholbachwhere is the debdiff?09:09
bddebiandholbach: Posted on that bug09:09
dholbachah alright09:10
dholbachit works for you?09:10
dholbachyou can use that font somewhere?09:10
bddebianOf course :-)09:10
dholbachrocking09:10
dholbachwill get it done09:10
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spayneslomo: ping09:13
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zygaokay09:19
zygadebian has ruby 1.8.3-1 in unstable09:19
zygais it possible to sync that? :)09:19
siretartwh0ps09:20
siretartsnes9x ftbfs on x86!09:20
siretarthttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/snes9x/1.42-2ubuntu2/09:20
zygawho can sync packages from debian?09:22
siretartwe can request it from elmo09:22
siretartI'm not familiar with ruby, why do we need that?09:22
zygasiretart: I just want to confirm that it 1) fixes a bug 2) fixes security issues09:22
zygasiretart: it's already there, eg universe09:23
bddebianzyga: So pull it from Debian, build it and see if it fixes your problem :)09:23
siretartzyga: oh. in that case, we should sync that version09:23
zygasiretart: I decided to upgrade alexandria which is a ruby app to the latest version09:23
zygabddebian: I'm doing that right now :D09:23
zygasiretart: but our ruby which is a strange mix of 1.8.2-9 and 1.8.3 is broken09:24
zygaruby people told me to upgrade and see (it works for them)09:24
siretartzyga: hm. I don't know about ruby. I always hear it is a mess both in debian as in ubuntu..09:26
zygasiretart: I don't know much about it either but a friend of mine would like to use both ubuntu and alexandria so I wanted to help :)09:27
zygahmm ruby sure builds in a really strange way09:27
siretartzyga: great! :)09:27
zygait seems like it's displaying brainfuck programs for the programer to keep him busy...09:28
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zygabtw: is there any tutorial about chroot testing environment?09:30
zygatesting ruby is okay but testing a glibc could suck a bit09:30
bddebianHeh09:30
bddebianzyga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PBuilderHowto09:31
zygabddebian: this page does not exist ;] 09:31
bddebianIt should tell you a match.  It's something like that09:31
zygaPbui....09:32
zyganon capital 'p'09:32
zygasss... 'b'09:32
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siretarthmm. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322455 has a clue about snes9x09:37
siretartbetter to get a installable package quick..09:38
zygaheh09:41
zygasiretart: okay I need to debianize a ruby-zoom package now09:41
zyga:-)09:42
zygaeasy upgrades, yeah ;] 09:42
zygaI wonder if this will all work09:44
zygaruby upgrade09:44
zyganew package09:44
zygaand new version of alexandria09:44
zygashould new package follow debian way and create a bugreport that says that package is missing?09:47
siretartno, we don't require/want that for now09:47
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zygasiretart: should the package be named ruby-zoom0 or ruby-zoom109:52
zygait's a library09:52
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siretartpuh09:53
zygaI'm reading the devel list, someone is already trying to build a package for breezy09:53
siretartzyga: whats bad about ruby-zoom?09:53
zygasiretart: nothing but dh_make created ruby-zoom109:54
siretarthm09:54
zygasiretart: maybe libruby-zoom09:58
zygaor libzoom-ruby09:58
siretartzyga: isn't there somewhere a ruby packaging policy?09:58
zygasiretart: there is? :)09:58
siretartthere should be one09:59
siretarthttp://pkg-ruby.alioth.debian.org/ruby-policy.html/index.html09:59
zygachecking09:59
zygaokay10:00
zygalibzoom-rubyX.Y10:00
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zygahello orgra10:12
ajmitchmorning all10:14
zygacould anyone help me a bit?10:15
zygaI just ran dh_make and now I'm cleaning up debian/control10:15
zygawhat is that -BROKEN stuff?10:15
bddebianajmitch!!!!!!!!!!!10:17
ajmitchbddebian: what?!?10:18
bddebianHi10:18
bddebian:-)10:18
ajmitchmeh10:18
ajmitchhello10:18
zygawhat should I do when source package does not follow debian naming policy/10:18
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zygaI've got .orig.tar.gz10:19
ajmitchI should get past 1000 karma today though10:19
bddebianajmitch: Heh10:19
ajmitch977 at the moment, and closed at least 2 bugs since then10:19
zygacome on you package masters :-)10:19
zygahelp me out10:19
ajmitchzyga: you rename :P10:20
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zygaajmitch: rename the orig.tar.gz?10:20
zygaand the directory it extracts?10:20
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zyga(heh)10:21
Nafallow00t!10:22
Nafallowhere is that document? :-)10:22
bddebianajmitch: I hate you ;-P10:22
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zygaNafallo: maint-guide10:23
Nafallothat's debians. not MOTUs :-)10:24
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zygahehe10:27
zyga:10:27
zyga:)10:27
sebesthi masters10:33
ajmitchbddebian: I know you do10:34
sebesthi had a question for you, about package like win32codecs, i know it's not legal to distribute them, but would it be legal to use a solution like the one for mssttcorefonts ?10:35
ajmitchthat is very dubious10:35
sebestajmitch why?10:36
ajmitchsince at least msttcorefonts are distributable in their original form10:36
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ajmitchwin32codecs is straight copyright violation10:36
ajmitchripping dlls off a windows box :)10:36
sebestbut it's legal to distribute the script?10:36
ajmitchthat's only a 'maybe'10:36
ryuhi10:36
zygasebest: what would such a script do?10:37
zygasebest: ask the user to enter a legit copy of windows installation cd?10:37
sebestzyga: download win32codecs and install it10:37
zygasebest: from where?10:37
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sebestfrom where it's currenttly hosted10:37
sebesti remenber a similar solution exist for decss10:38
zygathat would still be illegal IMHO10:38
ajmitchzyga: that's what I think10:38
zygasimilar to .torrrent trackers10:38
zygamight vary from country/state/region to another10:38
sebesttrackers are legal, no???10:38
ajmitchwriting a script wose sole purpose is to violate copyright isn't really too hot10:39
zygasebest: no10:39
zygasebest: some trackers are illegal in the US for example AFARI10:39
zygas/AFARI/AFAIR/10:39
sebestwhat's wrong with having a torrent tracker??10:39
zygavery fuzzy issue ;-)10:39
zygasebest: google for it, dcma, copryright and crap like that10:39
sebestwe use one at our office to distribute our one content10:39
zygageneric tracker is okay but specific might be illegal in some random place on the northen hemisphere near canada ;] 10:40
Nafalloyour own it not someone else :-)10:40
sebestit's like saying that driving a car is illegal because you could kill someone :)10:40
ajmitchsebest: that's different from distributing content that you don't have copyright to10:40
zygasebest: don't try to make me believe you - ask a lawyer10:40
sebestas you said it depends upon country..10:40
siretartthats the biggest problem with this matter: nobody knows for sure whats right, and lawyers are expensive :(10:41
zygasebest: and as far as law is concerned - it might be illegal in some random place to drive a car for example if your are of specific gender10:41
sebestand for sure , too comply with all country, it's impossible...10:41
zygano I'm not kidding10:41
ajmitchmost countries would frown on what you're suggesting, sebest10:41
sebestyes like pakistan10:41
sebestfrown?10:41
sebestwhat does it mean?10:41
zygaso I'd say win32codecs that everyone who wants to view movies probably has anyway is illegal ;-)10:42
ajmitchzyga: most likely10:42
zyga  To repress or repel by expressing displeasure or disapproval;10:42
zyga   to rebuke with a look; as, frown the impudent fellow into10:42
zyga   silence.10:42
siretarthey, even here on amd64 I can watch movies. w32codecs are really overrated10:42
sebestwww.koreus.com :)10:42
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Nafallosiretart++10:43
zygasiretart: yes and probably they are not used many times but then again there is that movie your better half wants to see10:43
zyga;-)10:43
zygaI'm all for open formats you know :)10:43
siretartthen I still have a 32bit chroot *g*10:43
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zyga;-)10:43
zygahehe10:43
siretartbtw, openwrt rocks!10:44
siretart;)10:44
zygaofftopic, the cheapes laptops around here come with turion (64bit) cpus and with some linux distro pre-installed :-D10:44
zygas/cheapes/cheapest/10:44
Nafalloif the better half would be better she would not use w32codecs. so I guess you meant your worse half :-).10:44
zygaNafallo: my better half did not hear that - you have been spared, you are likely to be eaten by a grue10:45
Nafallosiretart: baah. you to :-P.10:45
Nafallohehe10:45
zygaOTOH: I've got an adom-manager that can install/remove adom at will - I hope to debianize it one day10:45
zygait's 100% legal :)10:45
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zygaawww10:48
zygafrom maint-guide: Once again, as a new maintainer you are discouraged from creating complicated packages, e.g., [snip]  library packages, [snip] 10:48
zygabooo10:48
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siretartzyga: there are many pitfalls one can trap into with library packages10:49
siretartzyga: but I think ruby library package are less complicated than e.g. C++ libraries10:49
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zygasiretart: it's a c+ruby package10:50
zygaawww, damn... the library depends on another library10:50
zygaI thought that libyaz is the thing I need but it seems that I really need libyaz-ruby10:51
zygathis will be a long long ride10:51
siretartzyga: thats the point you quoted from the maint-guide10:52
siretartzyga: but you are surely welcome to have some fun trying it nevertheless ;)10:52
zygasiretart: I don't want to bail out yet :)10:53
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siretartzyga: thats the spirit MOTUs are made from :)10:54
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KyralThats done. Time to get back to packaging!11:02
KyralI should be able to bang out this Glaxium package before 611:05
Kyralis "games" a valid section?11:06
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zygasiretart: ha, the second library already exists :)11:10
zygasiretart: just under a different name11:10
zygasiretart: hmm can you fix stuff in universe?11:11
ajmitchzyga: that's what the MOTUs do ;)11:11
zygasiretart: ruby-dev depends on ruby1.6-dev while the current stable version is ruby1.8-dev11:12
zyga1.6 is not around anymore even11:12
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ajmitchyou must have an old ruby-dev installed11:12
zygaajmitch: no11:12
zygahmm wait11:12
ajmitchthe package doesn't exist in breezy11:13
zygaajmitch: that's right11:13
zygaPackage ruby-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.11:13
zygaThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or11:13
zygais only available from another source11:13
zygaHowever the following packages replace it:11:13
zyga  ruby1.6-dev11:13
zygaE: Package ruby-dev has no installation candidate11:13
Kyralhmm11:14
zygadoesn't that look bad?11:14
Kyralits looking for the command distclean11:14
Kyralbut I don't see it in the makefile11:14
zygaKyral: ignore it or add according to taste11:14
ajmitchzyga: not really11:14
Kyralor shorten it to clean11:14
zygaKyral: distclean is a slightly stronger clean that might require extra stuff to rebuild11:14
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zygaKyral: no - it's different from clean11:15
zygafor example you might need to have yacc/flex to build something after dist-clean11:15
KyralThe makefile.in specifies clean, not distclean11:15
zygaKyral: that's autocrap makefile.in?11:15
KyralHey I'm not knocking it if it makes my life easier11:16
zygaajmitch: hmm what's the point of ruby-dev then/11:16
Kyralno MS jokes11:16
slomospayne: pong11:16
spayneslomo: any news on ipod-sharp?11:16
Kyraldoes dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot even make a deb?11:17
bigcx2hey everyone11:17
bddebianKyral: No11:17
slomospayne: wait a moment... ;)11:17
bddebianHello bigcx211:17
bigcx2where is the gpg key page on launchpad where i can upload my key11:17
bigcx2?11:18
ajmitchzyga: ruby-dev does not exist11:18
bigcx2Kyral: the -S makes source only11:18
zygaajmitch: but ruby does exist11:18
ajmitchzyga: eys11:18
zygaand it depends on ruby1.811:19
slomospayne: no new banshee upstream... so...11:19
slomospayne: we have to wait :(11:19
zygaisn't that consistency to have -dev depend on 1.8-dev?11:19
ajmitchzyga: possibly11:20
bigcx2this is the step i'm trying to do off of the wiki:11:20
bigcx2Visit the GPG Keys page once logged into launchpad. Paste your key fingerprint into the textbox:11:20
bigcx2but it doesn't have a link to that page and i can't find it11:20
zygabigcx2: login to your launchpad page11:21
slomodoko: i don't know if it's good enough... but swt-gtk ftbfs for amd64 so i looked for a fix11:21
ajmitchbigcx2: uploaded zope-ldap with a few more changes - it was chmj's last 'fix' that gave me the dh_installzope error11:21
zygabigcx2: click on your name in the upper right corner11:21
bigcx2ahhh11:21
bigcx2thanks zyga11:21
zygabigcx2: click 'edit gpg keys' in the menu on the right side11:21
bigcx2ajmitch: cool does that mean i get more karma points ;-P11:22
dholbachbrb11:22
ajmitchbigcx2: sadly no :)11:22
slomospayne: why do you ask?11:22
bigcx2booo11:22
bigcx2lol11:22
spayneslomo: dopi11:22
ajmitchbigcx2: and I had to drop half your patch :)11:22
slomospayne: did it ship it's own entagged now?11:22
bigcx2as long as it works11:23
ajmitchonly the .dzproduct files remained11:23
spayneslomo: no11:23
bigcx2ah11:23
bigcx2brb11:23
slomospayne: so what? ;)11:23
spayneslomo: it needs a newer ipod-sharp11:24
slomospayne: yes... and needs entagged which we don't want in universe until it matured11:24
KyralSTAB!11:26
KyralI thought this would be easy but this thing refused to install into the debian dir11:26
slomospayne: did you already package everything?11:30
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spayneno :)11:30
ajmitchwb dholbach11:31
dholbachthanks ajmitch :)11:31
ajmitchhow are you? :)11:31
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dholbachoh yes11:32
dholbachthe motu report11:32
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KyralWhy can't I catch something EASY to package..11:32
dholbachdidn't write a line11:32
ajmitchdholbach: I've added 1 whole line11:32
slomoKyral: what do you want to package?11:32
Kyralthat Glaxium, btu I know nothing about AutoConf :P11:33
Kyralit won't behave!11:33
=== bddebian kicks ajmitch :-)
ajmitchbddebian: gee thanks11:34
ajmitchyou're great to be around, really11:34
bddebian:-)11:34
=== bddebian hugs ajmitch
KyralWith my own thing it was a streightforward makefile11:34
Kyralbut how do I get AutoConf and AutoMake to behave11:35
slomoKyral: hmm... does upstream ship configure, etc...? or is autofoo to be called in rules?11:36
Kyralits no DebPack11:36
Kyralits a sourceball11:36
slomoyes... but does it have a configure?11:37
Kyralyah11:37
slomook, where's the problem?11:37
KyralYanno how its NOT supposed to build into the system when you do a dpkg-buildpackage?11:37
Kyralie, stay confined to the working dir?11:38
bddebianGotta head home, later gang11:38
slomoKyral: make PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr install11:39
slomoor something similar11:39
slomo(if i understood your problem)11:39
Kyralwhere do I put that?11:39
slomodo you use cdbs?11:39
Kyralno11:40
slomothen you have a make install call somewhere in debian/rules11:40
slomohow does it look like?11:40
KyralI dunno I wiped it in fustration11:40
Kyraland I am hungry11:40
KyralLong day11:40
slomohmm11:40
KyralMaybe someone can show me how to use CDBS after dinner11:41
slomoKyral: when it uses autofoo just read the cdbs docs... there's a good example11:41
Kyralty. I'm new at this (Self Proclaimed MOTU In Training)11:42
slomook, when you're fast enought with eating i'll help you... otherwise i'm already sleeping :P11:42
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Nafalloslomo: do you know how many users \sh's server can handle? I tell everyone using jabber.org to register there for a more reliable service ;-)11:45
slomoNafallo: oh no... you will kill the icq transport ;)11:46
Nafallohehehe11:46
siretartmy whole family is now on sh's server ;)11:52
Nafallo:-)11:52
Nafallohalf of #ubuntu.se to :-P11:52
slomoomg11:53
Nafalloand all MOTUs? ;-)11:53
ajmitchnot me ;)11:53
siretarthehe11:53
Nafalloajmitch: that's why I only see you as a questionmark then :-P11:53
slomosomeone want to tell me which language this is? "datatype coord = pair of (int*int);"11:53
siretartgn8 folks!11:55
slomomaybe sml?11:55
Nafalloanyway. \sh might have to build a cluster some day. but who cares? ;-)11:55
slomogn8 siretart11:55
dholbachbye siretart11:55
Nafallognight siretart :-)11:55
slomohm, should be sml... at least mosml accepts it...11:56
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