[12:25] <janimo> bmonty, yes the program will have to be new-version-ubuntu1 and you merge upstream and ubuntu changes
[12:25] <bmonty> janimo: thanks, I already uploaded it to REVU
[01:08] <ryu> good night
[01:44] <bddebian> KICK ASS
[01:45] <tseng> eh
[01:46] <bddebian> I fixed droidbattles finally :)
[01:47] <tseng> good one
[01:47] <bmonty> nice
[01:53] <sebest> anyone using gnome-power-manager ?
[01:55] <bmonty> sebest: yes
[01:55] <sebest> bmonty: you don't have a crash when your battery is at 5% ?
[01:56] <bmonty> sebest: no
[01:56] <sebest> for me it crashes, i even have a backtrace of it
[01:58] <bmonty> sebest: you should open a bug on it
[02:00] <Trashcan> any idea why I have all the python gtk packages installed, but 'import gtk' fails?
[02:00] <sebest> bmonty: i'll investigate it a bit more
[02:00] <sebest> Trashcan, you only need pygtk
[02:01] <Trashcan> i have that
[02:01] <sebest> python-gtk2
[02:01] <Trashcan> python-gtk2 is already the newest version.
[02:02] <sebest> do you have /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0 ?
[02:02] <Trashcan> yup
[02:03] <sebest> and ../pygtk.py ?
[02:03] <Trashcan> yeh
[02:03] <sebest> does "import pygtk" works?
[02:04] <Trashcan> yessir
[02:04] <sebest> is it python 2.4 ?
[02:05] <Trashcan> yes
[02:06] <Trashcan> hang on
[02:06] <sebest> try this:
[02:06] <sebest> import pygtk
[02:06] <sebest> print pygtk._get-available_versions()
[02:06] <sebest> oups
[02:06] <bddebian> LaserJock: Your ghemical and mopac stuff just came through
[02:07] <sebest> print pygtk._get_available_versions()
[02:07] <Trashcan> {'2.0': '/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '1.2': '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-1.2'}
[02:07] <Trashcan> it's something else causing hte problem
[02:08] <sebest> no do this:
[02:08] <sebest> pygtk.require('2.0')
[02:08] <sebest> and try importing gtk: import gtk
[02:09] <sebest> btw why do you have gtk-2.0 in /usr/local ???????
[02:09] <Trashcan> that's where it installed to :\
[02:09] <Trashcan> http://trashes.pastebin.com/381157
[02:09] <sebest> you compiled it from source?
[02:09] <Trashcan> nope
[02:09] <Trashcan> synaptic
[02:09] <sebest> so rm -rf it
[02:10] <sebest> synaptic never install stuff in /usr/local afaik
[02:10] <slomo> Trashcan: our packages install the stuff into /usr
[02:10] <LaserJock> bddebian: great news, so when would it be in the repo?
[02:10] <Trashcan> :\
[02:10] <Trashcan> i never compiled
[02:10] <Trashcan> i never even downloaded it
[02:10] <Trashcan> heh
[02:10] <sebest> rm -rf /usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0
[02:10] <Trashcan> k
[02:10] <Trashcan> is it possible it came with something else I compiled?
[02:10] <bddebian> LaserJock: Hard to say since libghemical and mopac7 are NEW.
[02:11] <Trashcan> deleted
[02:11] <sebest> retry the get_avail ...
[02:11] <slomo> ok, good night everybody :)
[02:11] <sebest> night slomo
[02:11] <Trashcan> {'2.0': '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-2.0', '1.2': '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gtk-1.2'}
[02:11] <Trashcan> night slomo
[02:12] <sebest> Trachcan, it looks better now
[02:12] <Trashcan> it works fine now
[02:12] <Trashcan> :)
[02:12] <sebest> ;)
[02:12] <Trashcan> thanks!
[02:12] <sebest> u'r welcome ;)
[02:13] <Trashcan> I'm a windows dev, so I've never touched this gtk stuff :)
[02:13] <Trashcan> I've never touched python, at that
[02:13] <sebest> i'm also new to python
[02:13] <sebest> the more i use it, the more i like it :)
[02:13] <Trashcan> same :D
[02:14] <sebest> bed time for me, bye Trashcan
[02:14] <Trashcan> night
[02:24] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:25] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[02:26] <tambaqui> afternoon?
[02:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: you let unfixed bugs creep up to 500 again!
[02:26] <ajmitch> I just had to close one to compensate
[02:26] <tambaqui> ok, I'm sorry in Brasil is night
[02:27] <ajmitch> tambaqui: that's nice, but it's afternoon where I am :)
[02:27] <tambaqui> ok :)
[02:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye sorry. :'-(  I have sucked today :'-(
[02:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: at least you fixed droidbattles
[02:29] <ajmitch> it's monday here, so I can't fix many
[02:30] <bmonty> I've been watching bddebian all day and he has been slacking!
[02:30] <bddebian> Aye :-(
[02:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: well how are you going to get 1337 karma if you don't fix bugs? ;)
[02:32] <bmonty> lol
[02:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: No shix :-(
[02:37] <bddebian> pfft
[02:40] <bddebian> Heh
[02:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: Better to put in bmonty :-)
[02:40] <bmonty> put in that I'll never be an MOTU cause I can't get to the technical board meetings
[02:41] <ajmitch> oh I shoudl put in both of you
[02:41] <bddebian> bmonty: :(
[02:41] <Kyral> At least you guys have a sense of humor
[02:42] <ajmitch> we do? ;)
[02:42] <bddebian> Kyral: ajmitch doesn't ;-P
[02:42] <bmonty> I was going to take Tuesday as a half day to get the to the meeting, my boss was good with it, but then scheduled me for an all day class on that day!
[02:42] <bddebian> bmonty: So just quit. ;-P
[02:42] <Kyral> Indeed Indeed! For in this life to be serious all the time is quite a waste indeed!
[02:42] <bmonty> bddebian: quitting in not an option for me :)
[02:43] <Kyral> I'll take his spot
[02:43] <bddebian> bmonty: Yeah me either but it sounds good sometimes doesn't it? :-)
[02:43] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're right, I don't have a sense of humour
[02:44] <Kyral> Oh well, I'm just sitting around to learn. But right now Love Hina calls
[02:44] <bmonty> wtf is "Love Hina"??
[02:44] <ajmitch> Kyral: learn away :) you want to help fix bugs?
[02:44] <Kyral> Anime :D
[02:44] <bmonty> ...or maybe I don't want to know
[02:45] <Kyral> ajmitch, I've already helped out in #ubuntu-desktop
[02:45] <ajmitch> yes, I saw you were there
[02:45] <Kyral> But tonight I need to relax 'cause tomarrow I gotta work my butt off. Big contest starting
[02:48] <bmonty> bddebian: did you use that -D with the compile options for xmkmf?
[02:49] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye
[02:49] <bmonty> no dice?
[02:49] <ajmitch> ah, xmkmf
[02:49] <bddebian> It seems to get re-assigned again by the X11.rules
[02:49] <bddebian>  /etc/X11/config/cf/X11.rules:41: warning: "XBinDir" redefined
[02:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: You know it?
[02:49] <bmonty> grep the source for it and delete the lines :)
[02:50] <bddebian> bmonty: I personally think our xmkmf package is b0rked but I ain't touching that one :-)
[02:50] <bmonty> I wouldn't either
[02:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: I just know that you need to sacrifice a goat to the spirits of X to get it to work
[02:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: That seems to be the general response/feeling :-)
[02:53] <bmonty> where is a good reference on debconf's config file?
[02:53] <Kyral> Well that was unpleasent
[02:53] <bddebian> bmonty: Did you say you were already looking at libmetakit?
[02:53] <bmonty> bddebian: I don't think so
[02:55] <bddebian> OK
[02:55] <bmonty> I'm looking at msttcorefonts right now
[02:56] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[02:56] <bddebian> Gotta run for  bit.  bbl
[02:56] <crimsun> hey bddebian
[03:05] <bmonty> bbl
[03:05] <bmonty> bddebian: check out the new xmkmf package
[04:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Got another 1.. ;-P
[04:49] <ajmitch> yay
[04:50] <ajmitch> s/nit/it/
[04:50] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[05:16] <ajmitch> sure
[05:19] <bddebian> Heh
[05:19] <bddebian> Maybe I'll rename it NAMBLAview ;-P
[05:19] <bigcx2> hey guys
[05:20] <bddebian> Hello bigcx2
[05:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: suits you :)
[05:20] <bigcx2> how long does it usually take to get approved as a ubuntu member?
[05:20] <ajmitch> hello bigcx2
[05:20] <ajmitch> bigcx2: it depends on what work you've done
[05:20] <ajmitch> since they look for contributions over a period of time
[05:21] <bigcx2> ahh so they consistently check out your wiki page, etc until they feel you've contributed enough?
[05:22] <ajmitch> no, that would be too much work :)
[05:22] <bigcx2> lol i see
[05:22] <ajmitch> you turn up at  community council meeting
[05:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[05:22] <ajmitch> and it gets reviewed there
[05:22] <ajmitch> and people speaj up for you saying how they'v worked with you, your contibutions, etc
[05:22] <ajmitch> s/speaj/speak/
[05:23] <bigcx2> oh ok
[05:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[05:23] <bigcx2> i haven't exactly worked with anybody on a project yet but i just finished writing some documentation and fixing a broken package...
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: From my lack of contributions. ;-P
[05:24] <bigcx2> bddebian: what did you do to get in initially?
[05:24] <bddebian> bigcx2: I just tried to help with fixing packages.
[05:24] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, you've done *nothing*.. right..
[05:24] <bddebian> ajmitch: Right ;-P
[05:25] <bddebian> bigcx2: And made some wiki pages, etc
[05:25] <ajmitch> they were desperate for people when they let me in :P
[05:25] <bigcx2> alright well @ least i'm on the right path
[05:25] <bigcx2> lol
[05:25] <ajmitch> they'd take anyone who was barely warm
[05:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh OK Mr. DD
[05:25] <bigcx2> haha
[05:26] <bigcx2> DD?
[05:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: I wasn't then
[05:26] <bddebian> bigcx2: Debian Developer
[05:26] <bigcx2> Debian Developer
[05:26] <bigcx2> duh
[05:26] <bigcx2> lol
[05:27] <bigcx2> that's pretty sweet
[05:27] <tambaqui> :)
[05:28] <bddebian> bigcx2: Yeah, ajmitch is a stud :)
[05:28] <ajmitch> my main contribution is lurking on IRC
[05:29] <bigcx2> so can anybody tell me why ubuntu and debian don't just merge together and make one unstoppable linux beast
[05:30] <ajmitch> because they have different goals, and trying to make debian fit a 6 month release cycle would be painful?
[05:30] <bddebian> Different philosphies
[05:30] <bddebian> philosophies even
[05:31] <bigcx2> i guessed it had somethin to do with releases
[05:31] <bigcx2> what's the difference in philosophy?
[05:32] <bigcx2> the way administration is handled?
[05:32] <ajmitch> debian is the 'universal OS', for many architectures & a huge number of supported packages
[05:32] <ajmitch> which makes it great to make derivatives from
[05:33] <bddebian> From an outsider perspective I think Ubuntu tends to be more desktop oriented where Debian not so much so
[05:33] <bigcx2> yea i can see that
[05:33] <bigcx2> i guess as long as changes made in ubuntu (i.e. bugs, etc) can be easily pushed back into debian and vice versa there isn't a problem
[05:34] <bigcx2> do you guys think that's the case as it is now?
[05:34] <ajmitch> that's what we aim to do
[05:34] <ajmitch> and it's working somewhat
[05:34] <ajmitch> but there are people involved, so things don't always run smooth :)
[05:34] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[05:35] <bigcx2> i hear ya
[05:35] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hmm im having serious slowdown over here
[05:36] <ajmitch> so am I
[05:36] <bddebian> heh
[05:37] <bigcx2> oh wait a sec
[05:37] <bigcx2> ajmitch: you're the guy that's taking care of my zope-ldap bug report on malone
[05:38] <bigcx2> just got the connection there
[05:39] <ajmitch> oh, that's you :)
[05:39] <ajmitch> you have the package for me to look at? :)
[05:39] <bigcx2> yea it's on my homepage but i think our server might be pissed right now :) hold on
[05:40] <ajmitch> the way I was using dh_installzope, it complained
[05:40] <Kyral> Are there are Universe Candidates I can take a shot at?
[05:40] <bigcx2> i couldn't do it in one file
[05:41] <ajmitch> Kyral: sure, pick one on the wiki page, check that it's not already in universe or on revu.tauware.de
[05:41] <ajmitch> bigcx2: it's not meant to be done in one file, I think
[05:41] <bigcx2> right, but in the current version it is
[05:41] <bigcx2> :)
[05:42] <bigcx2> my wepage is kinda bein squirrely right now
[05:42] <bigcx2> s/wepage/webpage
[05:42] <bigcx2> how else can i get it to ya
[05:42] <Kyral> hmm
[05:42] <Kyral> I'm gonna tackle ABC
[05:44] <ajmitch> bigcx2: email a debdiff to me
[05:44] <ajmitch> bigcx2: if you changed it, and changed debian/changelog
[05:44] <ajmitch> then you can dpkg-buildpackage -S
[05:44] <ajmitch> to get a new .dsc file
[05:44] <bddebian> *sigh*  No one wants to fix the broken stuff
[05:44] <ajmitch> and debdiff oldversion.dsc newversion.dsc
[05:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's what you were hired for
[05:45] <bigcx2> alright
[05:45] <bddebian> Heh
[05:45] <bigcx2> brb
[05:45] <bddebian> Well I haven't seen my paycheck yet.. ;-P
[05:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: we pay with with our love & respect ;)
[05:46] <Kyral> So if I get this packaged I just send it to one of you guys?
[05:46] <ajmitch> Kyral: ideally you'd upload it to revu.tauware.de
[05:46] <bddebian> Kyral: No, you need to request an account on revu
[05:46] <Kyral> I'm not a MOTU
[05:46] <Kyral> just a MOTU wannabe :P
[05:46] <ajmitch> that's what it's there for
[05:46] <bddebian> ajmitch: Then I'm definetly underpaid.. ;-P
[05:46] <ajmitch> so non-MOTUs can upload stuff
[05:46] <ajmitch> and we check it
[05:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: ok, we really pay you in abuse ;)
[05:47] <Kyral> oh wait...I should make a Hoary Chroot for this..
[05:47] <ajmitch> why hoary?
[05:47] <Kyral> 'cause I'm in Breezy :P
[05:47] <ajmitch> so?
[05:47] <Kyral> good point!
[05:47] <ajmitch> we always develop packages for the current development release
[05:48] <Kyral> Here goes!
[05:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh is that what we are supposed to be doing?? :-)
[05:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: apparantly
[05:49] <Kyral> its the only way I know how right now :P
[05:51] <ajmitch> I'm just biased :)
[05:51] <Kyral> hold on, there is no Makefile....is that gonna be a problem?
[05:52] <Kyral> Anyway Showering calls
[05:58] <bigcx2> ajmitch: what email should is send it to
[05:58] <bigcx2> i*
[06:01] <ajmitch> ajmitch@ubuntu.com will be fine
[06:02] <bigcx2> alright, sent it
[06:04] <bmonty> good night everyone
[06:04] <jsgotangco> night
[06:04] <bigcx2> night
[06:04] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty
[06:06] <bddebian> I think I'll call it a night too.  Later folks
[06:10] <ajmitch> bigcx2: looks very similar to what I did :)
[06:11] <ajmitch> except I was getting:
[06:11] <ajmitch> dh_installzope python/Products/ZLDAPMethods
[06:11] <ajmitch> dh_installzope: unable to handle directories and multiple dzproduct/dzextension files
[06:11] <bigcx2> hm
[06:11] <bigcx2> i know mine worked
[06:12] <bigcx2> i put it in our local repository
[06:12] <bigcx2> and tested it
[06:12] <bigcx2> i don't remember getting any errors
[06:13] <bigcx2> it will be nice when i can just upload my stuff into universe
[06:13] <bigcx2> :)
[06:13] <ajmitch> it can take a little while
[06:15] <bigcx2> ajmitch: what all did you put into those two files
[06:15] <ajmitch> aha
[06:15] <ajmitch> + zope-ldap (1.1.0-3ubuntu2) hoary; urgency=low
[06:15] <ajmitch> we build for breezy
[06:16] <ajmitch> a few patch hunks were rejected
[06:16] <bigcx2> whoops, didn't think about that one
[06:16] <bigcx2> hold on a sec
[06:16] <ajmitch> I can fix that up
[06:16] <ajmitch> since debian/control rejected as well for some reason
[06:18] <bigcx2> can you tell that from the debdiff
[06:18] <bigcx2> i've never had to use that before
[06:18] <ajmitch> not off hand
[06:18] <ajmitch> but I'm still at work :)
[06:19] <ajmitch> so I'll fix it up when I go home in a few minutes
[06:19] <bigcx2> alright cool
[06:19] <Kyral> hmm
[06:19] <Kyral> how would I package a bunch of py files?
[06:20] <bigcx2> night
[06:20] <ajmitch> bigcx2: night :)
[06:20] <ajmitch> Kyral: does it use distutils?
[06:20] <Kyral> wazzat>
[06:21] <ajmitch> is there a setup.py there?
[06:22] <Kyral> a setupabc.py
[06:22] <ajmitch> right, so probably not
[06:22] <ajmitch> so you'll have to write most of the installation or hack setupabc.py :)
[06:23] <Kyral> and I know nothing about Python
[06:23] <Kyral> but what is DistUtils?
[06:23] <ajmitch> you know nothing about python, but you want to package this?
[06:23] <Kyral> I didn't know it was in Python until I unpacked it
[06:24] <ajmitch> \sh! :)
[06:25] <\sh> moins
[06:25] <\sh> gnarf
[06:25] <\sh> doko_: did u requested a sync of rrdcollect?
[06:28] <\sh> doko_: because it is like this, please check the next time the buildds, if the source compiles :(
[06:29] <Kyral> Ack! Time for an ugly hack!
[06:33] <ajmitch> bbiab, time to walk home
[06:36] <Kyral> well this is interesting
[06:39] <Kyral> anyone ever hear of scons?
[06:44] <tritium> make replacement?
[06:44] <lifeless> yes
[06:45] <Kyral> yah
[06:46] <Kyral> this vDrift uses it
[06:46] <\sh> and sometimes a real buildd beast
[06:46] <Kyral> I wonder if dh_make is gonna freak out..
[06:46] <\sh> what has dh_make to do with it?
[06:46] <Kyral> Its the only way I know how to make packages right now
[06:47] <\sh> it won't even recognize scons ;) so u have to deal with it in debian/rules itself
[06:48] <Kyral> ah
[06:50] <Kyral> well one hurdle is outta the way, thing compiles and runs by itself nicely
[07:01] <Kyral> I'll finish this tomarrow
[07:05] <Kyral> Shouldn't be hard IF the changes I made in Rules hold..
[07:11] <\sh> hmmm..why don't we have the lastfm player in universe?
[07:13] <ajmitch> yay, new memory card for camera, I can take plenty of UBZ photos now ;)
[07:13] <\sh> ajmitch: bah..I need a new camera first ;)
[07:16] <tritium> anyone en route to UBZ that passes through New Mexico is welcome at my place
[07:17] <ajmitch> flying through SF & vancouver, sorry :)
[07:17] <tritium> :)
[07:17] <tritium> Yeah, it's not a likely stop for many here :)
[07:17] <ajmitch> \sh: I picked up my tickets today from the travel agent, too ;)
[07:19] <ajmitch> sigh, I still need more karma :)
[07:28] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, what is the flight number out of vancouver?
[07:29] <ajmitch> umm
[07:29] <ajmitch> let me check
[07:30] <ajmitch> AC182
[07:31] <\sh> woo...the fog
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are flying later in the day than me
[07:31] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: or earlier
[07:31] <ajmitch> I get into Montreal at 7:11AM on the 29th
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, AC flight numbers are linear
[07:31] <Burgundavia> ouch
[07:32] <ajmitch> when do you arrive?
[07:32] <\sh> ajmitch: what? so prepare some beer for siretart and me we're joining you around 17:00 montreal time ;)
[07:32] <ajmitch> \sh: I think we're having a little celebration on the 29th anyway ;)
[07:33] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe...drinking the jetlag away ;)
[07:33] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, hmm, odd, 3:40 pm of me
[07:33] <ajmitch> haha
[07:33] <ajmitch> jetlag+alcohol would be harsh
[07:33] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I'm starting with this drinking party around 8am UTC ;)
[07:34] <ajmitch> :)
[07:35] <\sh> ajmitch: well...for us it's not a problem...starting 14:00 UTC+2 -> arrival in montreal: 16:00 montreal time
[07:35] <ajmitch> ah
[07:35] <\sh> so actually a 2 hours flight *sigh*
[07:35] <ajmitch> heh
[07:35] <ajmitch> I go the other way
[07:36] <ajmitch> leave NZ on the 28th, at 8:20pm
[07:36] <ajmitch> arrive in SF on the 28th, at 12:20 :)
[07:36] <ajmitch> so I go back in time
[07:37] <ajmitch> going home, I have a flight that leaves the US on the 15th & arrives in auckland on the 17th
[07:38] <\sh> wow...
[07:39] <Burgundavia> it took me 3 days to get home from mataro
[07:39] <Burgundavia> I had two overnight stays, one in London and one in Vancouver
[07:39] <ajmitch> I made sure I don't have any overnight stays
[07:39] <ajmitch> I do have 8 hours to kill in LAX though :(
[07:39] <Burgundavia> couldn't avoid it
[07:40] <Burgundavia> nothing left spain early enough to get a westbound flight
[07:40] <Burgundavia> as the last one leaves around 3 pm
[07:40] <\sh> well...for us it's quite good...
[07:41] <\sh> leaving cologne at 10:54 .de time, arriving 11:45 .de time in frankfurt, leaving 2pm .de time frankfurt so only 2 1/4 hours to kill...but I think there will be some other ubuntu guys to meet up with and have a drink
[07:41] <ajmitch> btw can people fill in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft so that dholbach doesn't have to do it all, please? :)
[07:50] <\sh> hmmm....
[07:50] <\sh> I need to test a new daily iso
[07:50] <ajmitch> for your network driver?
[07:50] <\sh> yepp
[07:54] <\sh> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16785 <- nice one I figured out
[07:56] <ajmitch> oh, that one :)
[08:08] <ormandj> is there any reason postfix-mysql is linked to libmysql10 instead of 12 like every other mysql depending program?
[08:08] <ormandj> or is that something i should submit a bug report on?
[08:09] <ajmitch> file bug
[08:09] <ormandj> ajmitch, hi :) nice to see you again, how are you today?
[08:09] <ormandj> and ok, will do.
[08:10] <ajmitch> I'm good, how are you?
[08:10] <ormandj> well, i spent the last week working on LDAP as a directory server for all of the server-side apps, and it's just so backwards it's retarded, so i'm going to deploy mysql for that purpose instead
[08:10] <ormandj> so was bad, but now good
[08:11] <ormandj> when the only source of good documentation is RFCs, something is wrong. ;)
[08:11] <ajmitch> especially when things don't follow the RFCs properly :)
[08:11] <ormandj> yes, which is what i ran into, and why i've been tearing my hair out, lol
[08:12] <ormandj> i'll just cluster a bunch of mysql servers to effectively do the same thing as replication in LDAP and be done with it
[08:13] <ormandj> now if only ubuntu.com would let me login :P
[08:13] <ajmitch> :)
[08:13] <ormandj> how's life treating you ajmitch?
[08:13] <ajmitch> fairly well, finished work for the day
[08:14] <ormandj> good good, you're a kiwi i see, like it there? i only visited once so i'm a bit curious :)
[08:14] <ajmitch> yeah, I am, it's quite good
[08:14] <ajmitch> when were you in NZ?
[08:15] <ajmitch> btw what's the time there now? I'm curious to see what TZ difference there is
[08:15] <ormandj> i was there about 2 years ago, in march. (2003)
[08:15] <ormandj> it's 2015 here
[08:15] <ajmitch> nice, did you visit dunedin?
[08:15] <ajmitch> ok, 1915 here
[08:15] <ormandj> i'm horrible with names, anything i should remember if i did?
[08:16] <ajmitch> dunedin is down south
[08:16] <ajmitch> if you visited the south island :)
[08:16] <ormandj> na, i don't believe i did
[08:16] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[08:16] <ormandj> that's the nice part?
[08:16] <ajmitch> it's the nicest part  :)
[08:16] <ormandj> hehe
[08:17] <ormandj> well, i leave the country once a month or so, i'll put it on my list. you suggest dunedin?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> is the south island middle earth? =)
[08:17] <ormandj> jsgotangco, no, that's hawaii where i live :P
[08:17] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: no, but parts of middle earth were in the south :)
[08:17] <ajmitch> ormandj: dunedin is just where I live at the moment
[08:17] <ajmitch> not a bad little town
[08:17] <ajmitch> we've got linux.conf.au here in january
[08:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch: note the .au
[08:18] <ajmitch> Yagisan: of course
[08:18] <ormandj> nice. when exactly? i'll be in romania until about the 8th of janurary
[08:18] <ajmitch> 23rd-28th Jan
[08:18] <Yagisan> hehe - you'll be two more states soon hehe
[08:18] <ormandj> hm, i might be able to work that out. pretty nice conference?
[08:18] <ajmitch> Yagisan: unlikely - NZ would join as one state I think
[08:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch: sorry - I just could not resist
[08:18] <ajmitch> ormandj: yeah, one of the best technical conferences still around
[08:19] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I'm just waiting for the common border, common currency, and common deportation rules ;)
[08:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: Although for most intents and purposes - we are one country
[08:19] <ajmitch> of course
[08:20] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, lot's of places to stay during linux.conf?
[08:20] <ajmitch> the south island wouldn't be self sufficient enough to have a state government
[08:20] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I hope so :)
[08:20] <jsgotangco> well i wouldn't really want to sleep in a tent...
[08:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch: well if tasmiania can be a state - I don't see why south island can't
[08:20] <ormandj> ajmitch, i'll probably be pestering you about that come december when i start making plans
[08:20] <ajmitch> Yagisan: how many people in tasmania?
[08:22] <Yagisan> ajmitch: about half a million
[08:22] <ajmitch> ok
[08:23] <Yagisan> ajmitch: south island ?
[08:23] <ajmitch> a bit more than that, maybe 800K people
[08:23] <ajmitch> brb
[11:46] <slomo> doko: already told elmo/lamont/infinity to remove eclipse from pas at least for amd64 and ppc?
[12:26] <marcin_a`> hi guys
[12:27] <markuman> hi, for my first upload package on revu i have make it wrong :-/ and so ive build it new. should i upload it or waiting for deleting my first upload?
[12:28] <siretart> markuman: just reupload your new try
[12:29] <marcin_a`> could someone tell me if there is a difference between: dpkg-buildpackage and running debian/rules binary directly in sources tree?
[12:29] <siretart> markuman: your new upload will get another upload id, no problem therefore
[12:29] <siretart> morning folks
[12:29] <janimo> hi siretart
[12:29] <ajmitch> hi
[12:29] <siretart> marcin_a`: dpkg-buildpackage does a bit more. look in /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage for details, it is written in perl
[12:30] <siretart> morning janimo, hi ajmitch
[12:34] <marcin_a`> siretart: hmm I don't know perl but this script is pretty easy to understand... it does a bit more but not much
[12:34] <marcin_a`> siretart: anyway thanks for info
[12:35] <siretart> marcin_a`: you're welcome
[01:00] <markuman> hm, i think i need a little help for log in on revue. gpg -d and there is nothing for copy and paste :-/
[01:00] <markuman> or am i wrong?
[01:27] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:50] <slomo> all dead here? ;)
[01:51] <sistpoty> slomo: should we morgue ghc5?
[01:51] <slomo> yes... i know of at least 3 people who said that this should be morgued ;)
[01:52] <sistpoty> ok, so be it ;)
[01:52] <slomo> but seems like elmo doesn't like to remove stuff from the archives... at least he didn't answer my mails
[01:52] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:52] <sistpoty> you did ask him to morgue it already?
[01:52] <slomo> no... but other stuff
[01:52] <sistpoty> ok
[01:53] <slomo> but... if you write him a mail maybe include my stuff too ;)
[01:53] <sistpoty> *g*
[01:53] <slomo> what's your email address? i'll forward my mail to you ;)
[01:53] <sistpoty> daemon@poleboy.de and now even sistpoty@ubuntu.com ;)
[01:54] <slomo> ok, sent
[01:54] <sistpoty> I'd like to ask the dd (wibble) about ghc5 first, maybe he's got some deeper insights... what do you think?
[01:55] <slomo> don't know... so better ask him :)
[01:56] <sistpoty> ok, I'll cc you ;)
[02:06] <sistpoty> slomo: mail to wibble is out
[02:34] <sistpoty> cya
[02:34] <siretart> bye sistpoty!
[02:34] <siretart> gnarf, too late :/
[02:48] <zakame> hi all
[03:34] <Kyral> Good morning
[03:35] <Kyral> Time to start hacking away again
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:49] <Kyral> yo
[03:49] <Kyral> sup
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[03:51] <Kyral> Right now I'm hoping that the changes I made to the Rules file for vdrift hold up
[03:52] <bddebian> Heh
[03:52] <Kyral> tried to modify it to use scons
[03:52] <Kyral> Have no clue if its gonna work
[03:56] <Kyral> Ah well, only one way to find out
[03:57] <Kyral> Actually the prospect of me becoming a MOTU both amuses and scares people at my Linux Lab
[03:58] <bddebian> Hehe, I know that feeling :-)
[03:58] <Kyral> Had a friend who uses Debian tell me "Stay out of my Distro!"
[03:58] <Trashcan> :p
[03:59] <Kyral> Actually if any of you guys could spare a sec could you look at a project I have been working on?
[04:00] <bddebian> Kyral: I can't at the moment but maybe in a bit
[04:00] <Kyral> yah its no prob
[04:00] <Kyral> thing is still beta...
[04:05] <Trashcan> what is it exactly?
[04:05] <Kyral> Eh, Link is better :P
[04:06] <Kyral> espcially since I'm coding right now
[04:06] <Kyral> http://www.clarkson.edu/projects/cosi/fa2005/students/petermcv/
[04:06] <Kyral> the second one
[04:07] <Kyral> And before you ask WHY it was made in C++, its because its the only language I'm proficient in (aside from HTML and CSS) right now
[04:11] <zakame> hmmm, lighttpd has so many deps
[04:13] <Kyral> Gah, who is the Copyright holder to vDrift?
[04:13] <Kyral> Its clear that its GPL2, but who is the owner?
[04:14] <Kyral> I'll just put the guy who is in charge of the SourceForge project for it
[04:15] <Kyral> err, the developer guys :P
[04:20] <Seveas> hi ogra!
[04:20] <ogra> hi
[04:20] <Seveas> ogra, I wanna triage bugs and mdz is a bit unresponsive
[04:20] <Seveas> can you give me editbug privileges?
[04:21] <ogra> he's away, and i'll be soon too.. its a public holiday here
[04:21] <ogra> yup
[04:21] <Seveas> thanks!
[04:21] <Kyral> hey I change "unstable" to "breezy" right?
[04:21] <Kyral> in the changelog?
[04:22] <ogra> Seveas, whats your bugzilla account ?
[04:22] <bddebian> Kyral: Yes
[04:22] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[04:22] <Seveas> dennis@kaarsemaker.net
[04:22] <ogra> ah, double n ;)
[04:22] <Kyral> hey can you enable mine to mark things in the Bugzilla too?
[04:22] <ogra> Seveas, done
[04:22] <ogra> bddebian, hi
[04:23] <Seveas> ogra, tyvm!
[04:23] <ogra> :)
[04:23] <Seveas> let the triaging begin :)
[04:25] <blueyed> Where should I file a bug report for package "translate" (from universe) in Breezy?
[04:25] <bddebian> w00t Seveas
[04:25] <bddebian> blueyed: Malone
[04:28] <bddebian> Seveas: I've got one for ya if you are looking for something to fix! :-)
[04:28] <Kyral> Anyone wanna suggest how I built a package that I shouldn't have been able to?
[04:29] <zakame> hmmm... which is better? one lighttpd with all the features, or several lighttpd-* pkgs with individual features?
[04:29] <Kyral> well holy cow
[04:29] <Kyral> it seems that my rules hack to scons worked
[04:33] <Kyral> or not..
[04:34] <bddebian> Kyral: Why shouldn't you have been able to
[04:35] <Kyral> Because accordng to the objdump I didn't have libstdc++6-dev (which I listed as a build-dep 'cause thats what dpkg -S turned up)
[04:37] <Kyral> anyone know what I have to pass to Sconstruct to get it to install into the current dir?
[04:38] <Kyral> nm..
[04:53] <Kyral> anyone know the equiv to install -d in scons?
[04:53] <dereks_> anyplans for ifolder support in breezy?
[04:54] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:54] <Nafallo> he didn't have time to wait or something, said peer :-).
[04:55] <Kyral> Thing compiles fine, but it keeps trying to install into the system..
[05:02] <ryu> hi
[05:02] <zakame> hmm, what do I do if the upstream source has a ./debian dir?  shall I move it somewhere else?  or shall I kindly ask upstream to remove it?
[05:07] <Kyral> I hate scons....
[05:07] <Kyral> Why oh why can't people stick with Makefiles?
[05:10] <bddebian> WTF is scons?
[05:10] <Kyral> some python based Make replacement
[05:10] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:10] <Kyral> Which vdrift just happens to use
[05:11] <bddebian> Use install -d in your rules to move the files around if you have to :)
[05:11] <Kyral> Scons doesn't USE install -d
[05:11] <bddebian> I understand that but you are using a debian/rules file right?
[05:11] <Kyral> yah
[05:11] <zakame> could that be a bug?
[05:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch: avahi 0.5.2 will be a sync from experimental soon
[05:12] <Kyral> SCons is basically a python script. And since I don't know python...
[05:13] <Kyral> or do you mean preface the scons command with install -d?
[05:13] <bddebian> Kyral: paste your debian/rules to a pastebin somewhere
[05:13] <Kyral> Thing builds fine, its just that it tries to jump to the root of the system
[05:14] <bddebian> What do you mean by jump to the root??
[05:14] <zakame> cd / ?
[05:15] <Kyral> It tries to install into /usr/games
[05:16] <bddebian> Is it a dh_make package?
[05:17] <Kyral> #ubuntu-scons
[05:17] <Kyral> no
[05:18] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2738
[05:21] <Kyral> and here is the error (at the bottom)
[05:21] <Kyral> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2739
[05:25] <Kyral> I'm half ready to say **** scons and write a Makefile
[05:26] <bddebian> Kyral: Ah.  Yes, what I am saying is that in install: build section after the scons isntall ... line, you should be able to do something like  install -d -m 644 $(CURDIR)/debian/vdrift-20051002/foo/bar $(CURDIR)/usr/foo/bar
[05:26] <bddebian> Heya seth_k
[05:26] <seth_k> hey bddebian
[05:27] <seth_k> wanna take my next Organic Chem exam for me?
[05:27] <Kyral> bddebian, it won't even install unless those things are there in the first place
[05:28] <Kyral> Anyone know the license on Glaxium? The guy seems to have given it up almost a year ago
[05:29] <bddebian> seth_k: Sure if you don't mind failing it :-)
[05:29] <seth_k> bddebian, couldn't be any worse than I'm doing :D
[05:29] <seth_k> teacher is a nut
[05:30] <bddebian> Heh
[05:35] <Kyral> Someone else do this
[05:36] <Kyral> I'm gonna go work on Glaxium
[05:37] <Kyral> If the guy stated he is done (and no longer working on it) what license does it fall under?
[05:37] <Lathiat> Kyral: try google, check ti out, that or look in the /usr/share/docs/glaxium/copyright file
[05:38] <Kyral> or I could try looking in the tarball first...
[05:39] <Kyral> Ah, GPL
[05:39] <Kyral> README to the rescue!
[05:41] <Lathiat> well, the copyright file in the package will always have the info
[05:41] <Kyral> and I feel like an idiot :P
[05:41] <Lathiat> and sometimes finding th einfo in various tarballs is hard
[05:41] <Kyral> Lathiat, its a sourceball
[05:41] <Lathiat> hence using the debian file the maintainer did the hard work for you ;p
[05:41] <Kyral> and the RPMs date to RH8
[05:42] <Kyral> I think its better to compile this one from source :P
[05:43] <Lathiat> oh so theres nod eb package, isee
[05:43] <Kyral> Its in Universe Candidates
[05:43] <Lathiat> ok
[05:50] <Kyral> How convenient this thing uses AutoConf
[05:50] <Kyral> that means I don't have to mess with the Makefiles right?
[05:53] <pef> hello
[05:53] <bddebian> Heya pef ;-)
[05:53] <pef> can someone archive kvpnc on REVU ? already uploaded
[05:54] <bddebian> Hmm, I wonder if I can do that
[05:54] <bddebian> siretart: ping?
[05:54] <siretart> bddebian: you're lucky, man, just connected :)
[05:55] <Kyral> Oh well, I'll package this later
[05:55] <bddebian> :-)
[05:55] <Kyral> I have a contest to win
[05:55] <bddebian> siretart: Did you see pef's question?
[05:56] <Kyral> dangit
[05:57] <Kyral> I won't be able to get my GPG Key signed by any Ubuntu person until UbuntuBelowZero
[05:57] <siretart> ah, now I see it
[05:57] <siretart> mom
[05:58] <bddebian> mom?
[05:59] <Nafallo> bddebian: yea, you know... the one that got you in to this world.
[05:59] <bddebian> Heh
[06:02] <siretart> just a moment
[06:02] <Kyral> I need my GPG Key signed before I can upload to REVU right?
[06:02] <siretart> Kyral: you should, but for revu, I accept also unsigned keys
[06:02] <Kyral> Well I can get my friends who also have GPG to sign them
[06:03] <Kyral> but no Ubuntites right now
[06:03] <siretart> kvpnc is already archived, huh?
[06:03] <siretart> Kyral: tell me your keyid
[06:04] <Kyral> uuh, lemme snag it
[06:04] <Kyral> I'm like doing 5 things at once
[06:04] <siretart> same here
[06:05] <Kyral> 0F1A6639
[06:05] <Kyral> Its on my Launchpad and on my Wiki too
[06:06] <siretart> Kyral: done
[06:07] <Kyral> so I just upload the pack to Revu when I get it done?
[06:08] <Kyral> dupload right?
[06:09] <siretart> Kyral: you are free to use dupload, I prefer dput, though ;)
[06:09] <Kyral> well I don't have either
[06:37] <ivoks> lol, spam of the week :)
[06:37] <ivoks> from debiantux23
[06:37] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[06:38] <ivoks> hey bddebian
[06:40] <spayne> yo gang
[06:41] <spayne> slomo: pinh
[06:41] <ivoks> bddebian: like what?
[06:42] <ivoks> bddebian: don't use debian's packages
[06:42] <bddebian> ivoks: I'm not I was just trying to get ours to build and it doesn't either :-)
[06:42] <ivoks> bddebian: use gcc-3.3
[06:43] <bddebian> Why?
[06:43] <ivoks> it doesn't compile with 3.4 from my exp.
[06:43] <spayne> yo bddebian
[06:43] <bddebian> Heya spayne
[06:44] <ivoks> bddebian: i'm dropping openmosix this year
[06:45] <ivoks> bddebian: transiting to openssi
[06:46] <bddebian> ivoks: I know very little about it, I'm just trying to fix broken stuff :-)
[06:46] <ivoks> bddebian: don't
[06:46] <ivoks> bddebian: not in sarge
[06:46] <ivoks> bddebian: it's too much broken
[06:47] <ivoks> bddebian: i spent few weeks trying to get debians packages to work
[06:47] <ivoks> bddebian: never succeeded.. upstream worked after 2 hours
[06:48] <bddebian> ivoks: So upload it :-)
[06:48] <ivoks> bddebian: no, i said... i give up on openmosix
[06:48] <bddebian> OH hehe
[06:49] <ivoks> bddebian: that project has to slow development
[06:49] <ivoks> bddebian: i'm transiting to openssi
[06:49] <bddebian> Does openssi provide Motif apis?
[06:49] <ivoks> motif apis?
[06:49] <ivoks> what does motif has to do with cluster? :)
[06:49] <bddebian> Whoops, never mind, I'm confusing myself at this point ;-P
[06:49] <bddebian> I was lookint at something else :-)
[06:50] <ivoks> yay
[06:50] <ivoks> !!!
[06:51] <ivoks> we got green light for EU! :)
[06:52] <spayne> EU?
[06:52] <ivoks> european union
[06:53] <ivoks> god bless austria! :)
[06:53] <spayne> ivoks: in turkey?
[06:53] <ivoks> spayne: croatia
[07:00] <dholbach> hi
[07:00] <bddebian> Daniel!!!
[07:00] <dholbach> hey barry! :)
[07:00] <bddebian> dholbach: Can you check out Malone 2344 for me?
[07:01] <dholbach> in a minute, yes
[07:01] <bddebian> Coolio, thx
[07:04] <spayne> anyone know if resapplet is in universe yet?
[07:04] <dholbach> sudo apt-get update; apt-cache show resapplet   should know
[07:04] <dholbach> or http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:07] <dholbach> bddebian: looks good to me, but i'm not necessarily an authority
[07:08] <bddebian> spayne: apt-cache madison resapplet :-)
[07:08] <bddebian> dholbach: Well WTF?? ;-)
[07:08] <spayne> madison?
[07:08] <bddebian> Yep
[07:10] <dholbach> does anyone know how to do a '' on the keyboard?
[07:10] <dholbach> (with a compose key maybe)?
[07:12] <jamessan|work> I usually just use Vim and then highlight/middle-click paste it to wherever I need it
[07:13] <jamessan|work> never bothered figuring out how to do it with the keyboard
[07:13] <dholbach> yeah, i pasted it too, but now i manage to do all the other crazy french letters, i'd like to know how to reproduce it on my own ;)
[07:13] <dholbach>    ... :)
[07:14] <siretart> hey dholbach!
[07:14] <dholbach> hey siretart
[07:14] <siretart> crimsun: around?
[07:17] <dholbach> so who reviews deskbar-applet? :-p
[07:21] <siretart> does anyone happen to know why crimsun uploaded wpasupplicant?
[07:23] <dholbach> siretart: sorry, no idea - does the changelog entry say anything?
[07:24] <siretart> dholbach: it says "new upstream version". thats all
[07:25] <dholbach> hrm
[07:25] <siretart> so he updated breezy to 0.4.5, but I wanted to know why.
[07:25] <dholbach> siretart: does ./NEWS say anything interesting?
[07:26] <siretart> ther is no NEWS ;)
[07:26] <siretart> I assume he had some reason to upgrade to 0.4.5
[07:26] <dholbach> yeah, crimsun surely had
[07:32] <siretart> well, the new version 'works' for me :)
[07:33] <dholbach> :)
[07:35] <ivoks> want to see a nice picture of my dog? :)
[07:36] <dholbach> yeah
[07:36] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/luna.jpg [3MB] 
[07:36] <dholbach> WOAH
[07:36] <dholbach> do you want us to count all the spots on the dog? ;)
[07:37] <Nafallo> lol
[07:37] <ivoks> :))
[07:37] <spayne> dholbach: any packaging things i could do?
[07:37] <ivoks> use the picture resize on your firefox :)
[07:38] <dholbach> spayne: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates :)
[07:38] <Nafallo> ivoks: dude! you're dog is scary!
[07:38] <Nafallo> all black and white except the eyes...
[07:38] <ivoks> :))
[07:38] <ivoks> gimp did that :)
[07:39] <Nafallo> :-P
[07:39] <spayne> this month, i have used 2,032.8 MBytes bandwidth :)
[07:39] <Nafallo> ehm
[07:39] <dholbach> ivoks: a nice dog you have :)
[07:39] <Nafallo> 2G?
[07:39] <ivoks> dholbach: thanks :)
[07:39] <spayne> in three days
[07:39] <\sh> re
[07:39] <\sh> hmm....thats nothing *g*
[07:40] <Nafallo> ah, THIS month :-)
[07:40] <ivoks> :)
[07:50] <Nafallo> who else have an up-to-date breezy amd64 with the gnomefoot still on the toppanel?
[07:50] <Nafallo> or on the menubar even...
[07:51] <spayne> Nafallo: delete /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon.cache
[07:51] <spayne> and restart X
[07:51] <spayne> jdub told me :)
[07:51] <siretart> arg. I don't have the gnomefoot anymore, that is
[07:51] <Nafallo> aha
[07:51] <Nafallo> thanx spayne
[07:52] <Nafallo> that's icon-theme.cache, right?
[07:53] <spayne> yeh
[07:53] <spayne> brb
[08:06] <Nafallo> how nice...
[08:06] <Nafallo> the foot is gone :-P
[08:29] <zyga> hello motus
[08:29] <zyga> I'd like to upgrade a package in motu to learn a thing or two
[08:29] <zyga> any developers willing to help me around
[08:29] <zyga> I want to upgrade alexandria from 0.5.1 to 0.6.1
[08:30] <zyga> I have my key and REVU is all open for me :)
[08:30] <zyga> anyone :) ?
[08:31] <dholbach> zyga: sure, go ahead... it's just that we're WAY past upstream version freeze - new version require a good justification
[08:31] <dholbach> but nice if you're working on something that will make the world a better place
[08:32] <zyga> dholbach: I want to learn a thing or two
[08:32] <dholbach> yeah
[08:32] <zyga> dholbach: and maybe put my package of gnu gadu at the same time
[08:32] <dholbach> then go ahead, try it :)
[08:32] <zyga> right now I've just pulled original source
[08:32] <zyga> and debianized 0.5.1
[08:33] <zyga> I'll play with debian/* and see what I can do
[08:33] <dholbach> super
[08:33] <zyga> dholbach: I should rename original source to *.orig.tar.gz
[08:33] <zyga> right?
[08:34] <dholbach> yes
[08:34] <zyga> original filename is: alexandria-0.6.1.tar.gz so I guess that makes (read carefully)  alexandria_0.6.1.orig.tar.gz
[08:35] <zyga> I don't need .dsc or .changes.gz from 0.5.1 anymore since .dsc is auto generated and I've applied the changes I want - right?
[08:36] <zyga> I can write a changelog entry in debian/changelog (manually) to indicate new upstream version
[08:36] <zyga> for breezy, low urgency
[08:36] <zyga> if anything is not correct feel free to stop me :)
[08:37] <zyga> I have a handy macro for vim that makes the changelog info line with my mail and date
[08:39] <zyga> dholbach: so far so good?
[08:39] <\sh> zyga: dch ?
[08:39] <dholbach> \sh: you may want to use debian/watch and uupdate
[08:39] <zyga> \sh: ??
[08:39] <zyga> dholbach: I don't know anything about debian/watch but there is one already
[08:39] <dholbach> but i'm currently working on some other crack, so i hope that somebody in this place will help you out
[08:40] <dholbach> cool
[08:40] <\sh> zyga: export DEBNAME="<your name>" ; export DEBMAIL="<your email>"
[08:40] <zyga> it seems to point to some location
[08:40] <\sh> zyga: and then dch -i e.g. and you'll get your $EDITOR call including well formatted debian changelog ;)
[08:40] <zyga> \sh: I've got EMAIL set, and name seems to get sensible default
[08:40] <zyga> aaah :)
[08:40] <zyga> neet
[08:41] <zyga> dch checks for syntax errors, right?
[08:41] <\sh> dholbach: I want to use what? debian/watch and uupdate?
[08:41] <\sh> zyga: yeah as well
[08:41] <dholbach> \sh: sorry, i meant zyga
[08:41] <zyga> what does debian/watch do?
[08:41] <\sh> and adds new entries...(dch -a)
[08:41] <zyga> \sh: cool, thanks - a new thing already :)
[08:41] <dholbach> sorry, \sh, zyga - i'm cracking on something else... i'm a bit confused
[08:41] <\sh> it checks upstream sources...you enter a download url with some magic regexp and it checks if there is a new upstream version ;)
[08:41] <\sh> dholbach: hehe :)
[08:42] <\sh> dholbach: /me cracks right now on problems with the .de community
[08:42] <zyga> \sh: nice, how to use it? how to check for new upstream version?
[08:42] <\sh> uuscan and uupdate
[08:44] <zyga> \sh: which package provides them/
[08:44] <jamessan|work> zyga: devscripts
[08:45] <zyga> jamessan|work: hmm uuscan is not among them
[08:45] <zyga> ah
[08:45] <zyga> uscan
[08:45] <zyga> sigle 'u'
[08:45] <zyga> single
[08:46] <zyga> thanks
[08:46] <bddebian> dholbach: Hey, according to the changelog you were the last one to upload xfonts-terminus..
[08:46] <dholbach> bddebian: is that so?
[08:46] <zyga> cool :-)
[08:46] <dholbach> it had a problem with build-depends, right?
[08:47] <zyga> hmm okay I hit a wall now
[08:47] <zyga> does anyone here speak ruby? :)
[08:48] <zyga> /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/date/format.rb:598: [BUG]  unknown node type 0
[08:48] <zyga> ruby 1.8.3 (2005-06-23) [i486-linux] 
[08:48] <bddebian> dholbach: Aye :-)
[08:49] <dholbach> :)
[08:52] <\sh> ok...going to bed...I'm tired after the afternoon with my son :)
[08:52] <zyga> hmm
[08:52] <zyga> \sh: wait :)
[08:52] <zyga> okay :)
[08:53] <\sh> this is one language which I missed in my collection
[08:53] <\sh> ok...cu tomorrow morning latest against 7 UTC :)
[09:06] <ryu> hi
[09:08] <dholbach> hi ryu
[09:08] <bddebian> dholbach: See, you don't love me either.. ;-P
[09:09] <dholbach> bddebian: what did i do wrong THIS TIME?
[09:09] <zyga> does anyone know who handles ruby here?
[09:09] <bddebian> dholbach: You won't upload my xfonts-terminus :-)
[09:09] <zyga> our ruby is probably broken
[09:09] <dholbach> bddebian: did you ask for it anywhere?
[09:09] <bddebian> dholbach: I am kidding btw :-)
[09:09] <dholbach> ok
[09:09] <dholbach> where is the debdiff?
[09:09] <bddebian> dholbach: Posted on that bug
[09:10] <dholbach> ah alright
[09:10] <dholbach> it works for you?
[09:10] <dholbach> you can use that font somewhere?
[09:10] <bddebian> Of course :-)
[09:10] <dholbach> rocking
[09:10] <dholbach> will get it done
[09:13] <spayne> slomo: ping
[09:19] <zyga> okay
[09:19] <zyga> debian has ruby 1.8.3-1 in unstable
[09:19] <zyga> is it possible to sync that? :)
[09:20] <siretart> wh0ps
[09:20] <siretart> snes9x ftbfs on x86!
[09:20] <siretart> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/snes9x/1.42-2ubuntu2/
[09:22] <zyga> who can sync packages from debian?
[09:22] <siretart> we can request it from elmo
[09:22] <siretart> I'm not familiar with ruby, why do we need that?
[09:22] <zyga> siretart: I just want to confirm that it 1) fixes a bug 2) fixes security issues
[09:23] <zyga> siretart: it's already there, eg universe
[09:23] <bddebian> zyga: So pull it from Debian, build it and see if it fixes your problem :)
[09:23] <siretart> zyga: oh. in that case, we should sync that version
[09:23] <zyga> siretart: I decided to upgrade alexandria which is a ruby app to the latest version
[09:23] <zyga> bddebian: I'm doing that right now :D
[09:24] <zyga> siretart: but our ruby which is a strange mix of 1.8.2-9 and 1.8.3 is broken
[09:24] <zyga> ruby people told me to upgrade and see (it works for them)
[09:26] <siretart> zyga: hm. I don't know about ruby. I always hear it is a mess both in debian as in ubuntu..
[09:27] <zyga> siretart: I don't know much about it either but a friend of mine would like to use both ubuntu and alexandria so I wanted to help :)
[09:27] <zyga> hmm ruby sure builds in a really strange way
[09:27] <siretart> zyga: great! :)
[09:28] <zyga> it seems like it's displaying brainfuck programs for the programer to keep him busy...
[09:30] <zyga> btw: is there any tutorial about chroot testing environment?
[09:30] <zyga> testing ruby is okay but testing a glibc could suck a bit
[09:30] <bddebian> Heh
[09:31] <bddebian> zyga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PBuilderHowto
[09:31] <zyga> bddebian: this page does not exist ;] 
[09:31] <bddebian> It should tell you a match.  It's something like that
[09:32] <zyga> Pbui....
[09:32] <zyga> non capital 'p'
[09:32] <zyga> sss... 'b'
[09:37] <siretart> hmm. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322455 has a clue about snes9x
[09:38] <siretart> better to get a installable package quick..
[09:41] <zyga> heh
[09:41] <zyga> siretart: okay I need to debianize a ruby-zoom package now
[09:42] <zyga> :-)
[09:42] <zyga> easy upgrades, yeah ;] 
[09:44] <zyga> I wonder if this will all work
[09:44] <zyga> ruby upgrade
[09:44] <zyga> new package
[09:44] <zyga> and new version of alexandria
[09:47] <zyga> should new package follow debian way and create a bugreport that says that package is missing?
[09:47] <siretart> no, we don't require/want that for now
[09:52] <zyga> siretart: should the package be named ruby-zoom0 or ruby-zoom1
[09:52] <zyga> it's a library
[09:53] <siretart> puh
[09:53] <zyga> I'm reading the devel list, someone is already trying to build a package for breezy
[09:53] <siretart> zyga: whats bad about ruby-zoom?
[09:54] <zyga> siretart: nothing but dh_make created ruby-zoom1
[09:54] <siretart> hm
[09:58] <zyga> siretart: maybe libruby-zoom
[09:58] <zyga> or libzoom-ruby
[09:58] <siretart> zyga: isn't there somewhere a ruby packaging policy?
[09:58] <zyga> siretart: there is? :)
[09:59] <siretart> there should be one
[09:59] <siretart> http://pkg-ruby.alioth.debian.org/ruby-policy.html/index.html
[09:59] <zyga> checking
[10:00] <zyga> okay
[10:00] <zyga> libzoom-rubyX.Y
[10:12] <zyga> hello orgra
[10:14] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:15] <zyga> could anyone help me a bit?
[10:15] <zyga> I just ran dh_make and now I'm cleaning up debian/control
[10:15] <zyga> what is that -BROKEN stuff?
[10:17] <bddebian> ajmitch!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: what?!?
[10:18] <bddebian> Hi
[10:18] <bddebian> :-)
[10:18] <ajmitch> meh
[10:18] <ajmitch> hello
[10:18] <zyga> what should I do when source package does not follow debian naming policy/
[10:19] <zyga> I've got .orig.tar.gz
[10:19] <ajmitch> I should get past 1000 karma today though
[10:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[10:19] <ajmitch> 977 at the moment, and closed at least 2 bugs since then
[10:19] <zyga> come on you package masters :-)
[10:19] <zyga> help me out
[10:20] <ajmitch> zyga: you rename :P
[10:20] <zyga> ajmitch: rename the orig.tar.gz?
[10:20] <zyga> and the directory it extracts?
[10:21] <zyga> (heh)
[10:22] <Nafallo> w00t!
[10:22] <Nafallo> where is that document? :-)
[10:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: I hate you ;-P
[10:23] <zyga> Nafallo: maint-guide
[10:24] <Nafallo> that's debians. not MOTUs :-)
[10:27] <zyga> hehe
[10:27] <zyga> :
[10:27] <zyga> :)
[10:33] <sebest> hi masters
[10:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: I know you do
[10:35] <sebest> hi had a question for you, about package like win32codecs, i know it's not legal to distribute them, but would it be legal to use a solution like the one for mssttcorefonts ?
[10:35] <ajmitch> that is very dubious
[10:36] <sebest> ajmitch why?
[10:36] <ajmitch> since at least msttcorefonts are distributable in their original form
[10:36] <ajmitch> win32codecs is straight copyright violation
[10:36] <ajmitch> ripping dlls off a windows box :)
[10:36] <sebest> but it's legal to distribute the script?
[10:36] <ajmitch> that's only a 'maybe'
[10:36] <ryu> hi
[10:37] <zyga> sebest: what would such a script do?
[10:37] <zyga> sebest: ask the user to enter a legit copy of windows installation cd?
[10:37] <sebest> zyga: download win32codecs and install it
[10:37] <zyga> sebest: from where?
[10:37] <sebest> from where it's currenttly hosted
[10:38] <sebest> i remenber a similar solution exist for decss
[10:38] <zyga> that would still be illegal IMHO
[10:38] <ajmitch> zyga: that's what I think
[10:38] <zyga> similar to .torrrent trackers
[10:38] <zyga> might vary from country/state/region to another
[10:38] <sebest> trackers are legal, no???
[10:39] <ajmitch> writing a script wose sole purpose is to violate copyright isn't really too hot
[10:39] <zyga> sebest: no
[10:39] <zyga> sebest: some trackers are illegal in the US for example AFARI
[10:39] <zyga> s/AFARI/AFAIR/
[10:39] <sebest> what's wrong with having a torrent tracker??
[10:39] <zyga> very fuzzy issue ;-)
[10:39] <zyga> sebest: google for it, dcma, copryright and crap like that
[10:39] <sebest> we use one at our office to distribute our one content
[10:40] <zyga> generic tracker is okay but specific might be illegal in some random place on the northen hemisphere near canada ;] 
[10:40] <Nafallo> your own it not someone else :-)
[10:40] <sebest> it's like saying that driving a car is illegal because you could kill someone :)
[10:40] <ajmitch> sebest: that's different from distributing content that you don't have copyright to
[10:40] <zyga> sebest: don't try to make me believe you - ask a lawyer
[10:40] <sebest> as you said it depends upon country..
[10:41] <siretart> thats the biggest problem with this matter: nobody knows for sure whats right, and lawyers are expensive :(
[10:41] <zyga> sebest: and as far as law is concerned - it might be illegal in some random place to drive a car for example if your are of specific gender
[10:41] <sebest> and for sure , too comply with all country, it's impossible...
[10:41] <zyga> no I'm not kidding
[10:41] <ajmitch> most countries would frown on what you're suggesting, sebest
[10:41] <sebest> yes like pakistan
[10:41] <sebest> frown?
[10:41] <sebest> what does it mean?
[10:42] <zyga> so I'd say win32codecs that everyone who wants to view movies probably has anyway is illegal ;-)
[10:42] <ajmitch> zyga: most likely
[10:42] <zyga>   To repress or repel by expressing displeasure or disapproval;
[10:42] <zyga>    to rebuke with a look; as, frown the impudent fellow into
[10:42] <zyga>    silence.
[10:42] <siretart> hey, even here on amd64 I can watch movies. w32codecs are really overrated
[10:42] <sebest> www.koreus.com :)
[10:43] <Nafallo> siretart++
[10:43] <zyga> siretart: yes and probably they are not used many times but then again there is that movie your better half wants to see
[10:43] <zyga> ;-)
[10:43] <zyga> I'm all for open formats you know :)
[10:43] <siretart> then I still have a 32bit chroot *g*
[10:43] <zyga> ;-)
[10:43] <zyga> hehe
[10:44] <siretart> btw, openwrt rocks!
[10:44] <siretart> ;)
[10:44] <zyga> offtopic, the cheapes laptops around here come with turion (64bit) cpus and with some linux distro pre-installed :-D
[10:44] <zyga> s/cheapes/cheapest/
[10:44] <Nafallo> if the better half would be better she would not use w32codecs. so I guess you meant your worse half :-).
[10:45] <zyga> Nafallo: my better half did not hear that - you have been spared, you are likely to be eaten by a grue
[10:45] <Nafallo> siretart: baah. you to :-P.
[10:45] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:45] <zyga> OTOH: I've got an adom-manager that can install/remove adom at will - I hope to debianize it one day
[10:45] <zyga> it's 100% legal :)
[10:48] <zyga> awww
[10:48] <zyga> from maint-guide: Once again, as a new maintainer you are discouraged from creating complicated packages, e.g., [snip]  library packages, [snip] 
[10:48] <zyga> booo
[10:49] <siretart> zyga: there are many pitfalls one can trap into with library packages
[10:49] <siretart> zyga: but I think ruby library package are less complicated than e.g. C++ libraries
[10:50] <zyga> siretart: it's a c+ruby package
[10:50] <zyga> awww, damn... the library depends on another library
[10:51] <zyga> I thought that libyaz is the thing I need but it seems that I really need libyaz-ruby
[10:51] <zyga> this will be a long long ride
[10:52] <siretart> zyga: thats the point you quoted from the maint-guide
[10:52] <siretart> zyga: but you are surely welcome to have some fun trying it nevertheless ;)
[10:53] <zyga> siretart: I don't want to bail out yet :)
[10:54] <siretart> zyga: thats the spirit MOTUs are made from :)
[11:02] <Kyral> Thats done. Time to get back to packaging!
[11:05] <Kyral> I should be able to bang out this Glaxium package before 6
[11:06] <Kyral> is "games" a valid section?
[11:10] <zyga> siretart: ha, the second library already exists :)
[11:10] <zyga> siretart: just under a different name
[11:11] <zyga> siretart: hmm can you fix stuff in universe?
[11:11] <ajmitch> zyga: that's what the MOTUs do ;)
[11:12] <zyga> siretart: ruby-dev depends on ruby1.6-dev while the current stable version is ruby1.8-dev
[11:12] <zyga> 1.6 is not around anymore even
[11:12] <ajmitch> you must have an old ruby-dev installed
[11:12] <zyga> ajmitch: no
[11:12] <zyga> hmm wait
[11:13] <ajmitch> the package doesn't exist in breezy
[11:13] <zyga> ajmitch: that's right
[11:13] <zyga> Package ruby-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:13] <zyga> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:13] <zyga> is only available from another source
[11:13] <zyga> However the following packages replace it:
[11:13] <zyga>   ruby1.6-dev
[11:13] <zyga> E: Package ruby-dev has no installation candidate
[11:14] <Kyral> hmm
[11:14] <zyga> doesn't that look bad?
[11:14] <Kyral> its looking for the command distclean
[11:14] <Kyral> but I don't see it in the makefile
[11:14] <zyga> Kyral: ignore it or add according to taste
[11:14] <ajmitch> zyga: not really
[11:14] <Kyral> or shorten it to clean
[11:14] <zyga> Kyral: distclean is a slightly stronger clean that might require extra stuff to rebuild
[11:15] <zyga> Kyral: no - it's different from clean
[11:15] <zyga> for example you might need to have yacc/flex to build something after dist-clean
[11:15] <Kyral> The makefile.in specifies clean, not distclean
[11:15] <zyga> Kyral: that's autocrap makefile.in?
[11:16] <Kyral> Hey I'm not knocking it if it makes my life easier
[11:16] <zyga> ajmitch: hmm what's the point of ruby-dev then/
[11:16] <Kyral> no MS jokes
[11:16] <slomo> spayne: pong
[11:16] <spayne> slomo: any news on ipod-sharp?
[11:17] <Kyral> does dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot even make a deb?
[11:17] <bigcx2> hey everyone
[11:17] <bddebian> Kyral: No
[11:17] <slomo> spayne: wait a moment... ;)
[11:17] <bddebian> Hello bigcx2
[11:17] <bigcx2> where is the gpg key page on launchpad where i can upload my key
[11:18] <bigcx2> ?
[11:18] <ajmitch> zyga: ruby-dev does not exist
[11:18] <bigcx2> Kyral: the -S makes source only
[11:18] <zyga> ajmitch: but ruby does exist
[11:18] <ajmitch> zyga: eys
[11:19] <zyga> and it depends on ruby1.8
[11:19] <slomo> spayne: no new banshee upstream... so...
[11:19] <slomo> spayne: we have to wait :(
[11:19] <zyga> isn't that consistency to have -dev depend on 1.8-dev?
[11:20] <ajmitch> zyga: possibly
[11:20] <bigcx2> this is the step i'm trying to do off of the wiki:
[11:20] <bigcx2> Visit the GPG Keys page once logged into launchpad. Paste your key fingerprint into the textbox:
[11:20] <bigcx2> but it doesn't have a link to that page and i can't find it
[11:21] <zyga> bigcx2: login to your launchpad page
[11:21] <slomo> doko: i don't know if it's good enough... but swt-gtk ftbfs for amd64 so i looked for a fix
[11:21] <ajmitch> bigcx2: uploaded zope-ldap with a few more changes - it was chmj's last 'fix' that gave me the dh_installzope error
[11:21] <zyga> bigcx2: click on your name in the upper right corner
[11:21] <bigcx2> ahhh
[11:21] <bigcx2> thanks zyga
[11:21] <zyga> bigcx2: click 'edit gpg keys' in the menu on the right side
[11:22] <bigcx2> ajmitch: cool does that mean i get more karma points ;-P
[11:22] <dholbach> brb
[11:22] <ajmitch> bigcx2: sadly no :)
[11:22] <slomo> spayne: why do you ask?
[11:22] <bigcx2> booo
[11:22] <bigcx2> lol
[11:22] <spayne> slomo: dopi
[11:22] <ajmitch> bigcx2: and I had to drop half your patch :)
[11:22] <slomo> spayne: did it ship it's own entagged now?
[11:23] <bigcx2> as long as it works
[11:23] <ajmitch> only the .dzproduct files remained
[11:23] <spayne> slomo: no
[11:23] <bigcx2> ah
[11:23] <bigcx2> brb
[11:23] <slomo> spayne: so what? ;)
[11:24] <spayne> slomo: it needs a newer ipod-sharp
[11:24] <slomo> spayne: yes... and needs entagged which we don't want in universe until it matured
[11:26] <Kyral> STAB!
[11:26] <Kyral> I thought this would be easy but this thing refused to install into the debian dir
[11:30] <slomo> spayne: did you already package everything?
[11:30] <spayne> no :)
[11:31] <ajmitch> wb dholbach
[11:31] <dholbach> thanks ajmitch :)
[11:31] <ajmitch> how are you? :)
[11:32] <dholbach> oh yes
[11:32] <dholbach> the motu report
[11:32] <Kyral> Why can't I catch something EASY to package..
[11:32] <dholbach> didn't write a line
[11:32] <ajmitch> dholbach: I've added 1 whole line
[11:32] <slomo> Kyral: what do you want to package?
[11:33] <Kyral> that Glaxium, btu I know nothing about AutoConf :P
[11:33] <Kyral> it won't behave!
[11:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: gee thanks
[11:34] <ajmitch> you're great to be around, really
[11:34] <bddebian> :-)
[11:34] <Kyral> With my own thing it was a streightforward makefile
[11:35] <Kyral> but how do I get AutoConf and AutoMake to behave
[11:36] <slomo> Kyral: hmm... does upstream ship configure, etc...? or is autofoo to be called in rules?
[11:36] <Kyral> its no DebPack
[11:36] <Kyral> its a sourceball
[11:37] <slomo> yes... but does it have a configure?
[11:37] <Kyral> yah
[11:37] <slomo> ok, where's the problem?
[11:37] <Kyral> Yanno how its NOT supposed to build into the system when you do a dpkg-buildpackage?
[11:38] <Kyral> ie, stay confined to the working dir?
[11:38] <bddebian> Gotta head home, later gang
[11:39] <slomo> Kyral: make PREFIX=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr install
[11:39] <slomo> or something similar
[11:39] <slomo> (if i understood your problem)
[11:39] <Kyral> where do I put that?
[11:39] <slomo> do you use cdbs?
[11:40] <Kyral> no
[11:40] <slomo> then you have a make install call somewhere in debian/rules
[11:40] <slomo> how does it look like?
[11:40] <Kyral> I dunno I wiped it in fustration
[11:40] <Kyral> and I am hungry
[11:40] <Kyral> Long day
[11:40] <slomo> hmm
[11:41] <Kyral> Maybe someone can show me how to use CDBS after dinner
[11:41] <slomo> Kyral: when it uses autofoo just read the cdbs docs... there's a good example
[11:42] <Kyral> ty. I'm new at this (Self Proclaimed MOTU In Training)
[11:42] <slomo> ok, when you're fast enought with eating i'll help you... otherwise i'm already sleeping :P
[11:45] <Nafallo> slomo: do you know how many users \sh's server can handle? I tell everyone using jabber.org to register there for a more reliable service ;-)
[11:46] <slomo> Nafallo: oh no... you will kill the icq transport ;)
[11:46] <Nafallo> hehehe
[11:52] <siretart> my whole family is now on sh's server ;)
[11:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:52] <Nafallo> half of #ubuntu.se to :-P
[11:53] <slomo> omg
[11:53] <Nafallo> and all MOTUs? ;-)
[11:53] <ajmitch> not me ;)
[11:53] <siretart> hehe
[11:53] <Nafallo> ajmitch: that's why I only see you as a questionmark then :-P
[11:53] <slomo> someone want to tell me which language this is? "datatype coord = pair of (int*int);"
[11:55] <siretart> gn8 folks!
[11:55] <slomo> maybe sml?
[11:55] <Nafallo> anyway. \sh might have to build a cluster some day. but who cares? ;-)
[11:55] <slomo> gn8 siretart
[11:55] <dholbach> bye siretart
[11:55] <Nafallo> gnight siretart :-)
[11:56] <slomo> hm, should be sml... at least mosml accepts it...