[12:03] screenshot? :) [12:03] i don't have gc in front of me [12:03] (on Xp at work :^P ) [12:04] one minute [12:05] thx ;) [12:06] http://home.gcompris.net/screenshot.jpg [12:07] You remember we are pointing to your stamps in gcompris. if they are there, the tuxpaint icon appear in the left (like in he shot) [12:07] guys if you are tracking gc bugs, please make sure you have todays build, i updated the packge today ;) [12:07] you could do the same [12:07] ah, got it [12:08] i never actually used windows on my own computer [12:08] oops === JessicaX^ [n=Admin@86.112.130.53] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === kendrick wanders home soon [03:13] cya === Grant_ [n=orbman@85-210-30-227.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | First official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Oct 5 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Preview Release: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting === Topic (#edubuntu): set by JaneW at Wed Sep 28 15:06:19 2005 === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@port162-150.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port162-76.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-160-154.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:50] hey JaneW [09:08] hi jsgotangco [09:34] JaneW, biltong pusher =) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-201-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:44] jsgotangco: Hey I am not a pusher! [09:45] jsgotangco: they are peddling me! === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === jsg [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-183-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-183-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #edubuntu [11:47] little question about edubuntu [11:47] is edubuntu usable for schools for very little kids? [11:47] Also note that the computers on a lot of those schools are not always high end computers [11:48] often P2 with +- 100Mb ram [11:48] very little is .. 2 to 6 years of age [11:48] And 6 to 12 [11:49] and also note that the teachers aren't at all smart computer users .. [11:49] like .. no shortcut on the desktop means that the computer is broken [11:49] And I'd like to run a few windows applications (wine) [11:49] so .. how can edubuntu help me with that :)? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-183-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === JessicaX^ [n=Admin@86.112.130.145] has joined #edubuntu === JessicaX^ waves [12:06] good afternoon :D [12:06] Hello [12:06] (morning here) lol [12:07] good day :D more global [12:07] im having trouble with "make" seems i dont have it :D any ideas how to get it? [12:08] FreeBSD? [12:08] Or Linux of some form [12:08] nope edubuntu DVD [12:08] ohh -> edubuntu is debian [12:08] nope edubuntu is ubuntu [12:08] Zaheer: apt-get install build-essential :) [12:08] and ubuntu is debian ;) [12:08] hence ...... [12:09] :D [12:09] That command will fix-er-up [12:09] oh i forgot dont have inet connection yet thats why i DL the preview DVD [12:09] or sudo apt-get install build-essential [12:09] Zaheer: It SHOULD be on the DVD [12:09] This is a preview of our plan for the Edubuntu website: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-site-layout.png thoughts? [12:09] If it's Ubuntu, it's there [12:10] JaneW: The Orange screws the graphics up [12:10] i agree [12:10] doesnt matter .. they'll keep it :P [12:11] It's like "Here's what's going to happen, any comments?" [12:12] Also - Icons are a bit hard to see, plus your eye just goes straight to the orange which just hits you in the face [12:13] ok [12:13] do you think it sould be a different shade? [12:13] But just leave it as it is [12:13] or not orange at all? [12:13] lol, you do what you do [12:13] We are going for a loud, vibrant, fun, young, naive look [12:13] Not up to me [12:13] :/ [12:13] BTW who does the art work for edubuntu. i really dig the the whole cartoonie look... [12:14] highvoltage put that together [12:14] Zaheer: thanks, we wanted to look less adult and professional than the rest of ubuntu, and keep an element of fun [12:14] Whooaaa [12:14] The content at the bottom is like SLAP [12:15] serious?? i met him for the first time on sat. seems like a very nice guy always smiling :) [12:15] Zaheer: are you in CT? [12:15] yes [12:15] :/ [12:15] Obs to be specific [12:15] Zaheer: he's very nice, and yes he is always smiling, happy and helpful [12:15] Wait [12:15] I though ogra was a girl [12:15] Zaheer: cool, I love Obs [12:15] Oliver Grawert <-- Wierd girl's name [12:15] ogra is a guy [12:16] wow [12:16] Hmm, also - I think africans are more worried about being ridden of diseases than wether their software is free [12:17] jess are you an african? [12:17] Nope [12:17] But, i've been to Africa [12:17] eg - People dying of not having clean water [12:17] where? [12:17] For me, water + food > free software [12:17] Nambia [12:18] also "If we are to lift africa from her circumstances" -> Yep, which we put her in :P [12:19] I still think that "make poverty history" is just an excuse for companies to have an investment for when africa is a new westernised country [12:20] Lots of big companies give lots of cash ... Sounds awfully like the mid 60/70's where all the businesses gave to africa, they spent it all on guns and other stuff, and then all of a sudden, their debt is in the millions [12:21] JaneW: if I may make a suggestion: the red really screams, and I think the others have mentioned the colors being a bit too vibrant [12:22] Can i try making a website thing [12:22] I'm so bored [12:22] of course [12:22] Or will it be thrown out once i submit it? :P [12:23] I don't see why it wouldn't at least be discussed [12:23] crimsun: you really wouldn't have liked the previous iteration then... http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/2/ [12:23] oh my [12:23] crimsun: how do you suggest we improve it while still keeping it young and bright and fun? [12:23] Oh my word [12:23] Am i allowed to say "ouch" ? [12:24] Cause that is pure ouch [12:24] in any department that comes to mind [12:24] :/ [12:24] Plus, the rounded logo looks like the shape of a bullet [12:24] this was the first one, but I thought it was too boring and similar to the ubuntu page (nothing new) http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/1/ [12:25] eek - brown [12:25] i mean [12:25] YAY brown [12:25] these are mock ups, which means put together quickly to convey an idea, not perfectly designed or styled. [12:25] Sure [12:25] Or, changed because i said that? :P [12:27] JaneW: I do like the current layout, but orange and yellow instead of orange and red, please :) [12:27] yellow? [12:27] oh no [12:27] yellow? [12:27] not for the entire page [12:27] just for edubuntu [12:28] crimsun: OK YOU MEAN THE 2 LIGHTER SHADES IN THE LOGO [12:28] oops sorry about caps lock [12:28] Wow [12:28] I don't know how relevant this is, but have you considered accessiblity for kids with color blindness? [12:29] crimsun: I didn't think of that at all, good point [12:29] Hell no [12:29] I can't seem to speell [12:29] There are no color blind kids [12:29] What are you talking about [12:29] crimsun: is text on red and issue? [12:29] red in general is an issue [12:29] JaneW: If you think it isn't, it isnt [12:29] :) [12:30] (I have protanopia, so red really affects me) [12:30] isn't it protaneurope === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:31] crimsun: what does that mean? [12:32] JaneW: essentially reds are no go for me [12:32] crimsun: interesting choice of nick then btw ;) === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:32] hi fabbione :) [12:32] yo [12:32] crims_____U_____n [12:32] hey fabbione :) [12:32] crimsun: do you know if it is a common problem? [12:32] and hey daniels :) [12:32] JaneW: Yes [12:32] It's called COLOUR BLINDNESS [12:33] Or did you already know that [12:33] JaneW: no, it's fairly rare (it affects the fewest males with color blindness). I would just suggest that the red be kept to a minimum. [12:33] JessicaX^, your comments are sooo helpful today again [12:33] Thanks [12:33] why does she ask [12:33] she'll just do whatever anyways [12:33] crimsun: ok noted, I'll ask the guys to look at it [12:34] btw, did anybody notice ? we hunted down #12942 yesterday night/this morning :) [12:34] Nope [12:34] JessicaX^: there's no conspiracy, and all constructive criticism is welcome. [12:34] ogra: which one was that again? [12:34] JaneW: many thanks [12:34] rofl [12:34] Don't say the tagline again [12:34] JaneW, timeout on frist boot [12:34] ogra: great! [12:34] yep :-D [12:35] By the way -> Does edubuntu take as long to boot up as ubuntu? [12:35] CAuse i tried it -> the desktop looks identical o_O [12:35] no, there's patches in it to make it boot roughly twice as fast [12:35] given that they're totally different distributions and all [12:36] ogra: hi. i'm just here out of a morbid sense of curiousity. [12:36] Uhh? They [12:36] hehe [12:36] They are? wow [12:36] Didnt notice ;) [12:36] yeah [12:36] daniels: enjoy the show ;) [12:36] edubuntu forked from ubuntu years ago [12:36] yeah [12:36] daniels: *thwap* [12:36] the main issue was boot time. ubuntu refused to take all of edubuntu's patches that make it boot faster. [12:36] Wow [12:36] daniels and i did a lot of code rewrite to optimize X over network [12:36] For YEARS of work [12:36] It's not that impressive [12:36] ;) [12:37] for about twelve years of work, neither are you :P [12:37] also the kernel is way smaller to optimize tft download size [12:37] JessicaX^, hey, we even can boot backwards :) click System->Log Out and select shutdown (do it now !) [12:37] I'm twelve? [12:37] Wow [12:37] didnt know [12:37] :o [12:37] I always thought i was 21, due to the birth certificate that proves it and all === ogra wouldnt guessed JessicaX^ is already this old... she doesnt give this impression here [12:38] This old? [12:38] (12) [12:38] THAT old === mode/#edubuntu [+o fabbione] by Md [12:38] :P [12:38] whoohoo marco [12:38] ok.. [12:38] now.. [12:38] YAY [12:38] :) [12:38] Bye bye :) [12:38] :)) [12:38] JessicaX^: it's time to say good bye [12:38] JessicaX^: there's nothing cooler than insulting non-native english speakers about their language skills. [12:39] fabbione: I guessed it :) [12:39] so either you start behaving [12:39] daniels [12:39] rofls [12:39] or your are not welcome here [12:39] <-- non english [12:39] :D [12:39] au revioir [12:39] bon appetit [12:39] rofls isn't a sign of good english, just the vapidness that comes with being in primary school still. [12:39] :O [12:39] ohnoes [12:39] JessicaX^, just behave :) its quite easy.... others manage it too [12:39] :P [12:39] 02:28 < bob2> one day, when I meet a deity, they'll give me 3 questions [12:39] 02:28 < bob2> or let me ask 3 [12:39] 02:28 < bob2> and one of them will be "Is hostinggeek a troll, or a really fucking annoying 12 year old?" [12:40] Ooh, swearing is maturity :) [12:40] I swear therefore i am :D [12:40] uber "l337" [12:40] bob2 is very mature [12:40] JessicaX^ == hostinggeek ?? hmm [12:40] lol, no [12:40] I'm sure [12:40] matches quite well :) [12:40] well [12:40] ok.. [12:40] Not really [12:40] i am not as patience as many in here... [12:40] Check the hostmasks [12:41] fabbione: DOIT! [12:41] anyway, all this chatter about annoying tools is just detracting from our goal here of making edubuntu even faster still than ubuntu, so let's get back to it. [12:41] fabbione, GO !!! [12:41] :P [12:41] Sure sure [12:41] Edubuntu is Ubuntu [12:41] bye bye!!! [12:41] come on === mode/#edubuntu [+b *!*@86.112.130.*] by fabbione === JessicaX^ was kicked off #edubuntu by fabbione (KTHXBYE) [12:41] phew :) === JaneW *HUGS* fabbione [12:41] finally [12:41] JaneW: i want a real one :) === ogra joins the group hug [12:41] heh [12:42] this isn't virtual sex :) [12:42] LOL === JessicaX1 [n=Admin@86.112.134.245] has joined #edubuntu [12:42] Zaheer: sorry about having to witness that ;) [12:42] Oops, autojoined [12:42] o_O [12:42] so, um, colour scheme. i kinda like the artwork hno put up earlier fwiw, but I'm not so sure about making it *too* fun and kid-like, since it's teachers et al rather than kids that will be hitting it. but it does look good. [12:42] its cool :) all part of the fun... although shes back [12:43] Hehe :/ [12:43] daniels: yes I think we need to be careful not to go too kiddy [12:43] like the bride of chucky she has returned. === mode/#edubuntu [+b *!*@86.112.134.*] by fabbione [12:43] JaneW, i've put up the BOF list btw ... [12:43] daniels: crimsun doesn't like the red ... do you agree it's too bright? [12:43] also, I think the red should be a little lighter. === JessicaX1 was kicked off #edubuntu by fabbione (KTHXBYE2) [12:44] ogra: yes I saw that thanks [12:44] fabbione: 86.112.0.0/16 === mode/#edubuntu [+o ogra] by fabbione [12:44] thanks :) === mode/#edubuntu [+o daniels] by fabbione [12:44] ta === mode/#edubuntu [+o JaneW] by fabbione [12:44] daniels: ok, I'll see what we can do [12:44] there [12:44] even my auto disconnect will hit me soon... its about time :) [12:44] ooooh POWER [12:44] we still need to wait for highvoltage to fix chanserv [12:44] ogra: *cough* still getting moodle right, sorry :) [12:44] gnr, they only have 128-255 [12:44] ajmitch_, its ok... thanks for doing it :) [12:45] JaneW: like all women in the world you are attracted to power, aren't you? ;P [12:45] anyway [12:45] heh [12:45] i am out of here :) [12:45] lol === mode/#edubuntu [+b *!*@86.112.*.*] by daniels [12:45] thanks fabbione [12:45] appreciated [12:45] turns out it's all on the same ISP, but they just have two /18s [12:45] daniels: a /16 isn't a bit too much? :) [12:45] yes, thanks a lot === mode/#edubuntu [-bb *!*@86.112.134.* *!*@86.112.130.*] by daniels [12:46] fabbione: when it keeps sanity in here? :) [12:46] fabbione: eh, anyone on the same ISP as him doesn't deserve to be able to come in unless they go around and kneecap him [12:46] well... [12:46] agreed [12:46] daniels: right... but these kind of bans are more for #LinuxWareZ than #edubuntu :) [12:46] what country is it from? [12:46] anyway [12:47] intrestingly hostingeek in -motu behaved a lot better ... [12:47] JaneW: the UK [12:47] ogra: to be fair, that's not saying much [12:47] ahhh, bloody poms! [12:47] nope, not really, thats true... [12:48] we haven't had a good motu troll for awhile [12:48] ajmitch_: you can have ours ;) [12:48] true... but the channel is to busy... they would drown there anyway [12:48] we could still invite the GNAA to troll :P [12:49] JaneW: no thanks :) [12:49] we've got enough work to get done without channel pets === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:49] can some explain to me what just happend... i've seemed to have lost the plot somewhere ;) [12:49] nothing. <-- [12:49] ok, back to layout! === ajmitch_ should try & 'sell' edubuntu to his old boss :) [12:50] since he has servers (mainly file/proxy) in a number of schools around the area [12:50] Zaheer: JessicaX^ has been trolling here and basically causing trouble for some time, we brought in the reinforcements today and got (him?) kicked and banned. [12:50] Zaheer, he/she/(it ?) came here every second day, ranting against everything someone said... [12:51] Zaheer: sorry about that, but please continue with your real suggestions and ideas === ogra wonders if there are male or female trolls... i guess "it" is the right term :) [12:51] :) [12:51] thanks [12:53] ogra: ask pere_gone or magnon [12:53] yes, or Mithrandir :) [12:53] ogra: because they are Norwegian and know about 'real' Trolls, not because they are web trolls ;) [12:53] true [12:53] well, enjoy. :) === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #edubuntu [] [12:55] did anyone see my question about "make"?? [12:55] bah, powerpc exploded competely tonight... the new gcompris is 15 MB bigger :/ but worth it [12:55] Zaheer, build-essential is on the CD/DVD just install it, it pulls in all necessary apps === hno-livecd [n=ubuntu@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [12:56] so apt-get install build-essential will do the trick [12:56] yup [12:56] cool :) lemme try [12:56] dont forget sudo in front ;) [12:57] I guess JaneW might already asked about this in here: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-site-layout.png feedback? [12:58] so far we have that the red is a bit too dominating [12:58] (noted) [12:58] ogra = indeed [12:58] hno-livecd: how well will this expand to 1280x1024, for example? [12:58] i feel that the orange is abit too much as well... [12:58] yeah, I was just going to ask about the spacing in the right bar [12:59] hno-livecd, and the orange should probably have a gradient... lighter on the left to not swallow the ubuntu logo [12:59] the ubuntu logo in the right hand side gets lost in the orange [12:59] as ogra says :) [12:59] hno-livecd: we had a lively debate with a troll about it a short while ago [12:59] or some sort of shadow under the logo [12:59] hno-livecd: be glad you weren't here [01:00] JaneW: I'll check the logs :) [01:00] ajmitch_: yes, that's why we had to put the edubuntu logo on white [01:00] hno-livecd, or the bright glow the other ubuntu logo on the wiki has [01:00] yepp, I'll play with options [01:00] crimsun: what about the spacing? [01:01] hno-livecd: I like bold colours rather than gradient for this specific purpose [01:01] hno-livecd: I was thinking there might need to be more space between each section (quick links, related projects, news highlights) [01:01] ajmitch_: it should adapt to any screensize [01:01] hno-livecd: but that's probably tied to ajmitch_'s question [01:01] hno-livecd: we can always have a white background to the partner projects section can't we? [01:02] hno-livecd: so the orange bar will right-align, the white content area will expand? [01:02] crimsun: sounds good. It does need some tweaking [01:02] JaneW: yeah, that might look good [01:03] ajmitch_: yes [01:03] I don't have the link to Jonathan's original ATM, but that does expand [01:04] http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/4/ [01:05] ok, so that has the edubuntu logo on the right [01:05] still very similar [01:06] ajmitch_: yes it's almost the same... [01:06] ajmitch_: and the brief I gave to the designer was do anything, it doesn't have to look like the ubuntu logo at all ;) === ajmitch_ thinks the 'terminal server' part in the last paragraph to be fairly important for school sysadmins :) [01:07] Yeah, it's mainly the same. The main changes are actually here: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-wiki-layout.png on the wiki layout === spacey [n=spacey@145.33.170.33] has joined #edubuntu [01:07] which is what I originally set out to do based on Jonathan's web page ... [01:08] but when I couldn't get everything to fit I decided it was just easier to change his page :) [01:08] hno-livecd: I think ajmitch_ meant the edubuntu logo is pretty similar to the ubuntu logo (unless I misunderstood) [01:09] JaneW: that's true, but I meant the page layout :) [01:09] oic, sorry === ajmitch_ is easily misunderstood at this time of night :) === hno-livecd [n=ubuntu@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === Karnaugh [n=karnaugh@karnaugh.za.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] hi Karnaugh [01:15] Karnaugh: if you troll here I [01:15] 'll thwap you [01:15] heh [01:15] heh [01:15] I'll twap you back ;) [01:15] *thwap even === ajmitch_ never merited such a welcome :) === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [01:18] ajmitch_: yes but you aren't a potential troll ;) [01:18] you never know :) [01:18] hi jinty [01:18] hi jinty [01:18] ogra: how are things looking atm? are you done with xss? [01:19] JaneW, beside the normal bugs, yes... [01:19] i'll have to revisit the code for standard bugfixing ... [01:19] ogra: is it still taking a lot of your time? and did Mark accept your changes (3 buttons etc) [01:19] i fixed gcompris over the weekend... its gotten very good [01:20] ogra: GREAT! [01:20] JaneW, makr ordered them [01:20] ogra: so it's in and working? [01:20] i made sure they match his expectations *before* ;) [01:20] ogra: very wise! [01:20] hi all [01:20] xss is in since last friday or was it thursday ? [01:21] fri? [01:21] after that i fixed gcompris... yesterday night the timeout bug... [01:21] hi jinty [01:21] ogra: how was your holiday yesterday? did you rest? [01:21] not really.... [01:21] ogra? rest? heh [01:21] mdz didnt want to accept the gcompris fixes, they were to huge... i had to discuss a *lot* [01:22] (600icons were added to the code) [01:22] but they are in now ;) [01:22] oh good :) [01:22] i fear the discussion about moodle that we#ll have === ajmitch_ hides [01:23] but until now i got nearly everything i needed from him === JaneW may be scared to see mdz in Montreal! [01:23] JaneW, btw, because i ran out of time for moodle due to xss, ajmitch_ grabbed it... he deserves a big gold star ;) === ajmitch_ doesn't deserve the gold star yet, it's not finished & approved === JaneW gives ajmitch_ a virtual GOLD STAR (tm) === JaneW takes it back ;) [01:24] I'll accept beer in lieu of stars ;) [01:24] ajmitch_: oh alright [01:24] now i only have lots and lots of ltsp fixes to do, rebuild the artwork package and see that i weed out powerpc to fit on the CD... === JaneW is going to have to bring serious $BEER to UBZ [01:24] ajmitch_: seriously though thanks for the help, we need all we can get [01:25] JaneW: I'll start swimming to montreal as soon as everything is released :) [01:25] ajmitch_: heh [01:25] oh, and one installer bug i'm hunting curretly... just doing a test install [01:25] JaneW: actually I have ticket beside me, they cost enough :) [01:25]