[12:03] <kendrick> screenshot? :)
[12:03] <kendrick> i don't have gc in front of me
[12:03] <kendrick> (on Xp at work :^P )
[12:04] <bdoin> one minute
[12:05] <kendrick> thx ;)
[12:06] <bdoin> http://home.gcompris.net/screenshot.jpg
[12:07] <bdoin> You remember we are pointing to your stamps in gcompris. if they are there, the tuxpaint icon appear in the left (like in he shot)
[12:07] <ogra> guys if you are tracking gc bugs, please make sure you have todays build, i updated the packge today ;)
[12:07] <bdoin> you could do the same
[12:07] <kendrick> ah, got it
[12:08] <kendrick> i never actually used windows on my own computer
[12:08] <kendrick> oops
[03:13] <kendrick> cya
[08:50] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW 
[09:08] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[09:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, biltong pusher =)
[09:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: Hey I am not a pusher!
[09:45] <JaneW> jsgotangco: they are peddling me!
[11:47] <pvanhoof> little question about edubuntu
[11:47] <pvanhoof> is edubuntu usable for schools for very little kids?
[11:47] <pvanhoof> Also note that the computers on a lot of those schools are not always high end computers
[11:48] <pvanhoof> often P2 with +- 100Mb ram
[11:48] <pvanhoof> very little is .. 2 to 6 years of age
[11:48] <pvanhoof> And 6 to 12
[11:49] <pvanhoof> and also note that the teachers aren't at all smart computer users .. 
[11:49] <pvanhoof> like .. no shortcut on the desktop means that the computer is broken
[11:49] <pvanhoof> And I'd like to run a few windows applications (wine)
[11:49] <pvanhoof> so .. how can edubuntu help me with that :)?
[12:06] <Zaheer> good afternoon :D
[12:06] <JessicaX^> Hello
[12:06] <JessicaX^> (morning here) lol
[12:07] <Zaheer> good day :D more global
[12:07] <Zaheer> im having trouble with "make" seems i dont have it :D any ideas how to get it?
[12:08] <JessicaX^> FreeBSD?
[12:08] <JessicaX^> Or Linux of some form
[12:08] <Zaheer> nope edubuntu DVD
[12:08] <JessicaX^> ohh -> edubuntu is debian
[12:08] <Zaheer> nope edubuntu is ubuntu
[12:08] <JessicaX^> Zaheer: apt-get install build-essential :)
[12:08] <JessicaX^> and ubuntu is debian ;)
[12:08] <JessicaX^> hence ......
[12:09] <Zaheer> :D
[12:09] <JessicaX^> That command will fix-er-up
[12:09] <Zaheer> oh i forgot dont have inet connection yet thats why i DL the preview DVD
[12:09] <JessicaX^> or sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:09] <JessicaX^> Zaheer: It SHOULD be on the DVD
[12:09] <JaneW> This is a preview of our plan for the Edubuntu website: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-site-layout.png thoughts?
[12:09] <JessicaX^> If it's Ubuntu, it's there
[12:10] <JessicaX^> JaneW: The Orange screws the graphics up
[12:10] <Zaheer> i agree
[12:10] <JessicaX^> doesnt matter .. they'll keep it :P
[12:11] <JessicaX^> It's like "Here's what's going to happen, any comments?"
[12:12] <JessicaX^> Also - Icons are a bit hard to see, plus your eye just goes straight to the orange which just hits you in the face
[12:13] <JaneW> ok
[12:13] <JaneW> do you think it sould be a different shade?
[12:13] <JessicaX^> But just leave it as it is
[12:13] <JaneW> or not orange at all?
[12:13] <JessicaX^> lol, you do what you do
[12:13] <JaneW> We are going for a  loud, vibrant, fun, young, naive look
[12:13] <JessicaX^> Not up to me
[12:13] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:13] <Zaheer> BTW who does the art work for edubuntu. i really dig the the whole cartoonie look... 
[12:14] <JaneW> highvoltage put that together
[12:14] <JaneW> Zaheer: thanks, we wanted to look less adult and professional than the rest of ubuntu, and keep an element of fun
[12:14] <JessicaX^> Whooaaa
[12:14] <JessicaX^> The content at the bottom is like SLAP
[12:15] <Zaheer> serious?? i met him for the first time on sat. seems like a very nice guy always smiling :)
[12:15] <JaneW> Zaheer: are you in CT?
[12:15] <Zaheer> yes
[12:15] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:15] <Zaheer> Obs to be specific
[12:15] <JaneW> Zaheer: he's very nice, and yes he is always smiling, happy and helpful
[12:15] <JessicaX^> Wait
[12:15] <JessicaX^> I though ogra was a girl
[12:15] <JaneW> Zaheer: cool, I love Obs
[12:15] <JessicaX^>  Oliver Grawert <-- Wierd girl's name
[12:15] <JaneW> ogra is a guy
[12:16] <JessicaX^> wow
[12:16] <JessicaX^> Hmm, also - I think africans are more worried about being ridden of diseases than wether their software is free
[12:17] <Zaheer> jess are you an african?
[12:17] <JessicaX^> Nope
[12:17] <JessicaX^> But, i've been to Africa
[12:17] <JessicaX^> eg - People dying of not having clean water
[12:17] <Zaheer> where?
[12:17] <JessicaX^> For me, water + food > free software
[12:17] <JessicaX^> Nambia
[12:18] <JessicaX^> also "If we are to lift africa from her circumstances" -> Yep, which we put her in :P
[12:19] <JessicaX^> I still think that "make poverty history" is just an excuse for companies to have an investment for when africa is a new westernised country
[12:20] <JessicaX^> Lots of big companies give lots of cash ... Sounds awfully like the mid 60/70's where all the businesses gave to africa, they spent it all on guns and other stuff, and then all of a sudden, their debt is in the millions
[12:21] <crimsun> JaneW: if I may make a suggestion: the red really screams, and I think the others have mentioned the colors being a bit too vibrant
[12:22] <JessicaX^> Can i try making a website thing
[12:22] <JessicaX^> I'm so bored
[12:22] <crimsun> of course
[12:22] <JessicaX^> Or will it be thrown out once i submit it? :P
[12:23] <crimsun> I don't see why it wouldn't at least be discussed
[12:23] <JaneW> crimsun: you really wouldn't have liked the previous iteration then... http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/2/
[12:23] <crimsun> oh my
[12:23] <JaneW> crimsun: how do you suggest we improve it while still keeping it young and bright and fun?
[12:23] <JessicaX^> Oh my word
[12:23] <JessicaX^> Am i allowed to say "ouch" ?
[12:24] <JessicaX^> Cause that is pure ouch
[12:24] <JessicaX^> in any department that comes to mind
[12:24] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:24] <JessicaX^> Plus, the rounded logo looks like the shape of a bullet
[12:24] <JaneW> this was the first one, but I thought it was too boring and similar to the ubuntu page (nothing new) http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/1/
[12:25] <JessicaX^> eek - brown
[12:25] <JessicaX^> i mean
[12:25] <JessicaX^> YAY brown
[12:25] <JaneW> these are mock ups, which means put together quickly to convey an idea, not perfectly designed or styled.
[12:25] <JessicaX^> Sure
[12:25] <JessicaX^> Or, changed because i said that? :P
[12:27] <crimsun> JaneW: I do like the current layout, but orange and yellow instead of orange and red, please :)
[12:27] <JaneW> yellow?
[12:27] <JessicaX^> oh no
[12:27] <JessicaX^> yellow?
[12:27] <crimsun> not for the entire page
[12:27] <crimsun> just for edubuntu
[12:28] <JaneW> crimsun: OK YOU MEAN THE 2 LIGHTER SHADES IN THE LOGO
[12:28] <JaneW> oops sorry about caps lock
[12:28] <JessicaX^> Wow
[12:28] <crimsun> I don't know how relevant this is, but have you considered accessiblity for kids with color blindness?
[12:29] <JaneW> crimsun: I didn't think of that at all, good point
[12:29] <JessicaX^> Hell no
[12:29] <crimsun> I can't seem to speell
[12:29] <JessicaX^> There are no color blind kids
[12:29] <JessicaX^> What are you talking about
[12:29] <JaneW> crimsun:  is text on red and issue?
[12:29] <crimsun> red in general is an issue
[12:29] <JessicaX^> JaneW: If you think it isn't, it isnt
[12:29] <JessicaX^> :)
[12:30] <crimsun> (I have protanopia, so red really affects me)
[12:30] <JessicaX^> isn't it protaneurope
[12:31] <JaneW> crimsun: what does that mean?
[12:32] <crimsun> JaneW: essentially reds are no go for me
[12:32] <JaneW> crimsun: interesting choice of nick then btw ;)
[12:32] <JaneW> hi fabbione :)
[12:32] <fabbione> yo
[12:32] <JessicaX^> crims_____U_____n
[12:32] <ogra> hey fabbione :)
[12:32] <JaneW> crimsun: do you know if it is a common problem?
[12:32] <ogra> and hey daniels :)
[12:32] <JessicaX^> JaneW: Yes
[12:32] <JessicaX^> It's called COLOUR BLINDNESS
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Or did you already know that
[12:33] <crimsun> JaneW: no, it's fairly rare (it affects the fewest males with color blindness). I would just suggest that the red be kept to a minimum.
[12:33] <ogra> JessicaX^, your comments are sooo helpful today again
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Thanks
[12:33] <JessicaX^> why does she ask
[12:33] <JessicaX^> she'll just do whatever anyways
[12:33] <JaneW> crimsun: ok noted, I'll ask the guys to look at it
[12:34] <ogra> btw, did anybody notice ? we hunted down #12942 yesterday night/this morning :)
[12:34] <JessicaX^> Nope
[12:34] <crimsun> JessicaX^: there's no conspiracy, and all constructive criticism is welcome.
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra: which one was that again?
[12:34] <crimsun> JaneW: many thanks
[12:34] <JessicaX^> rofl
[12:34] <JessicaX^> Don't say the tagline again
[12:34] <ogra> JaneW, timeout on frist boot
[12:34] <JaneW> ogra: great!
[12:34] <ogra> yep :-D
[12:35] <JessicaX^> By the way -> Does edubuntu take as long to boot up as ubuntu?
[12:35] <JessicaX^> CAuse i tried it -> the desktop looks identical o_O
[12:35] <daniels> no, there's patches in it to make it boot roughly twice as fast
[12:35] <daniels> given that they're totally different distributions and all
[12:36] <daniels> ogra: hi.  i'm just here out of a morbid sense of curiousity.
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Uhh? They
[12:36] <ogra> hehe
[12:36] <JessicaX^> They are? wow
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Didnt notice ;)
[12:36] <daniels> yeah
[12:36] <JaneW> daniels: enjoy the show ;)
[12:36] <daniels> edubuntu forked from ubuntu years ago
[12:36] <fabbione> yeah
[12:36] <JaneW> daniels: *thwap*
[12:36] <daniels> the main issue was boot time.  ubuntu refused to take all of edubuntu's patches that make it boot faster.
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Wow
[12:36] <fabbione> daniels and i did a lot of code rewrite to optimize X over network
[12:36] <JessicaX^> For YEARS of work
[12:36] <JessicaX^> It's not that impressive
[12:36] <JessicaX^> ;)
[12:37] <daniels> for about twelve years of work, neither are you :P
[12:37] <fabbione> also the kernel is way smaller to optimize tft download size
[12:37] <ogra> JessicaX^, hey, we even can boot backwards :) click System->Log Out and select shutdown (do it now !)
[12:37] <JessicaX^> I'm twelve?
[12:37] <JessicaX^> Wow
[12:37] <JessicaX^> didnt know 
[12:37] <JessicaX^> :o
[12:37] <JessicaX^> I always thought i was 21, due to the birth certificate that proves it and all
[12:38] <JessicaX^> This old?
[12:38] <ogra> (12)
[12:38] <JessicaX^> THAT old
[12:38] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:38] <daniels> whoohoo marco
[12:38] <fabbione> ok..
[12:38] <fabbione> now..
[12:38] <JaneW> YAY
[12:38] <ogra> :)
[12:38] <JessicaX^> Bye bye :)
[12:38] <JaneW> :))
[12:38] <fabbione> JessicaX^: it's time to say good bye
[12:38] <daniels> JessicaX^: there's nothing cooler than insulting non-native english speakers about their language skills.
[12:39] <JessicaX^> fabbione: I guessed it :)
[12:39] <fabbione> so either you start behaving
[12:39] <JessicaX^> daniels
[12:39] <JessicaX^> rofls 
[12:39] <fabbione> or your are not welcome here
[12:39] <JessicaX^> <-- non english
[12:39] <JessicaX^> :D
[12:39] <JessicaX^> au revioir
[12:39] <JessicaX^> bon appetit
[12:39] <daniels> rofls isn't a sign of good english, just the vapidness that comes with being in primary school still.
[12:39] <JessicaX^> :O
[12:39] <JessicaX^> ohnoes
[12:39] <ogra> JessicaX^, just behave :) its quite easy.... others manage it too
[12:39] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:39] <daniels> 02:28 < bob2> one day, when I meet a deity, they'll give me 3 questions
[12:39] <daniels> 02:28 < bob2> or let me ask 3
[12:39] <daniels> 02:28 < bob2> and one of them will be "Is hostinggeek a troll, or a really fucking annoying 12 year old?"
[12:40] <JessicaX^> Ooh, swearing is maturity :)
[12:40] <JessicaX^> I swear therefore i am :D
[12:40] <JessicaX^> uber "l337"
[12:40] <JaneW> bob2 is very mature
[12:40] <ogra> JessicaX^ == hostinggeek ?? hmm
[12:40] <JessicaX^> lol, no
[12:40] <JessicaX^> I'm sure
[12:40] <ogra> matches quite well :)
[12:40] <fabbione> well
[12:40] <fabbione> ok.. 
[12:40] <JessicaX^> Not really
[12:40] <fabbione> i am not as patience as many in here...
[12:40] <JessicaX^> Check the hostmasks
[12:41] <JaneW> fabbione: DOIT!
[12:41] <daniels> anyway, all this chatter about annoying tools is just detracting from our goal here of making edubuntu even faster still than ubuntu, so let's get back to it.
[12:41] <ogra> fabbione, GO !!!
[12:41] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:41] <JessicaX^> Sure sure
[12:41] <JessicaX^> Edubuntu is Ubuntu
[12:41] <Zaheer> bye bye!!!
[12:41] <JessicaX^> come on
[12:41] <ogra> phew :)
[12:41] <ogra> finally
[12:41] <fabbione> JaneW: i want a real one :)
[12:41] <JaneW> heh
[12:42] <fabbione> this isn't virtual sex :)
[12:42] <Zaheer> LOL
[12:42] <JaneW> Zaheer: sorry about having to witness that ;)
[12:42] <JessicaX1> Oops, autojoined
[12:42] <JessicaX1> o_O
[12:42] <daniels> so, um, colour scheme.  i kinda like the artwork hno put up earlier fwiw, but I'm not so sure about making it *too* fun and kid-like, since it's teachers et al rather than kids that will be hitting it.  but it does look good.
[12:42] <Zaheer> its cool :) all part of the fun... although shes back
[12:43] <JessicaX1> Hehe :/
[12:43] <JaneW> daniels: yes I think we need to be careful not to go too kiddy
[12:43] <Zaheer> like the bride of chucky she has returned.
[12:43] <ogra> JaneW, i've put up the BOF list btw ...
[12:43] <JaneW> daniels: crimsun doesn't like the red ... do you agree it's too bright?
[12:43] <daniels> also, I think the red should be a little lighter.
[12:44] <JaneW> ogra: yes I saw that thanks
[12:44] <daniels> fabbione: 86.112.0.0/16
[12:44] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:44] <daniels> ta
[12:44] <JaneW> daniels: ok, I'll see what we can do
[12:44] <fabbione> there
[12:44] <ogra> even my auto disconnect will hit me soon... its about time :)
[12:44] <JaneW> ooooh POWER
[12:44] <fabbione> we still need to wait for highvoltage to fix chanserv
[12:44] <ajmitch_> ogra: *cough* still getting moodle right, sorry :)
[12:44] <daniels> gnr, they only have 128-255
[12:44] <ogra> ajmitch_, its ok... thanks for doing it :)
[12:45] <fabbione> JaneW: like all women in the world you are attracted to power, aren't you? ;P
[12:45] <fabbione> anyway
[12:45] <ogra> heh
[12:45] <fabbione> i am out of here :)
[12:45] <JaneW> lol
[12:45] <JaneW> thanks fabbione 
[12:45] <JaneW> appreciated
[12:45] <daniels> turns out it's all on the same ISP, but they just have two /18s
[12:45] <fabbione> daniels: a /16 isn't a bit too much? :)
[12:45] <ogra> yes, thanks a lot
[12:46] <ajmitch_> fabbione: when it keeps sanity in here? :)
[12:46] <daniels> fabbione: eh, anyone on the same ISP as him doesn't deserve to be able to come in unless they go around and kneecap him
[12:46] <fabbione> well...
[12:46] <JaneW> agreed
[12:46] <fabbione> daniels: right... but these kind of bans are more for #LinuxWareZ than #edubuntu :)
[12:46] <JaneW> what country is it from?
[12:46] <fabbione> anyway
[12:47] <ogra> intrestingly hostingeek in -motu behaved a lot better ...
[12:47] <daniels> JaneW: the UK
[12:47] <daniels> ogra: to be fair, that's not saying much
[12:47] <JaneW> ahhh, bloody poms!
[12:47] <ogra> nope, not really, thats true...
[12:48] <ajmitch_> we haven't had a good motu troll for awhile
[12:48] <JaneW> ajmitch_: you can have ours ;)
[12:48] <ogra> true... but the channel is to busy... they would drown there anyway
[12:48] <fabbione> we could still invite the GNAA to troll :P
[12:49] <ajmitch_> JaneW: no thanks :)
[12:49] <ajmitch_> we've got enough work to get done without channel pets
[12:49] <Zaheer> can some explain to me what just happend... i've seemed to have lost the plot somewhere ;)
[12:49] <crimsun> nothing. <--
[12:49] <crimsun> ok, back to layout!
[12:50] <ajmitch_> since he has servers (mainly file/proxy) in a number of schools around the area
[12:50] <JaneW> Zaheer: JessicaX^ has been trolling here and basically causing trouble for some time, we brought in the reinforcements today and got (him?) kicked and banned.
[12:50] <ogra> Zaheer, he/she/(it ?) came here every second day, ranting against everything someone said...
[12:51] <JaneW> Zaheer: sorry about that, but please continue with your real suggestions and ideas
[12:51] <Zaheer> :)
[12:51] <Zaheer> thanks
[12:53] <JaneW> ogra: ask pere_gone or magnon
[12:53] <ogra> yes, or Mithrandir :)
[12:53] <JaneW> ogra: because they are Norwegian and know about 'real' Trolls, not because they are web trolls ;)
[12:53] <JaneW> true
[12:53] <daniels> well, enjoy. :)
[12:55] <Zaheer> did anyone see my question about "make"??
[12:55] <ogra> bah, powerpc exploded competely tonight... the new gcompris is 15 MB bigger :/ but worth it
[12:55] <ogra> Zaheer, build-essential is on the CD/DVD just install it, it pulls in all necessary apps
[12:56] <Zaheer> so apt-get install build-essential will do the trick
[12:56] <ogra> yup
[12:56] <Zaheer> cool :) lemme try
[12:56] <ogra> dont forget sudo in front ;)
[12:57] <hno-livecd> I guess JaneW might already asked about this in here: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-site-layout.png feedback?
[12:58] <hno-livecd> so far we have that the red is a bit too dominating
[12:58] <hno-livecd> (noted)
[12:58] <Zaheer> ogra = indeed
[12:58] <ajmitch_> hno-livecd: how well will this expand to 1280x1024, for example?
[12:58] <Zaheer> i feel that the orange is abit too much as well...
[12:58] <crimsun> yeah, I was just going to ask about the spacing in the right bar
[12:59] <ogra> hno-livecd, and the orange should probably have a gradient... lighter on the left to not swallow the ubuntu logo
[12:59] <ajmitch_> the ubuntu logo in the right hand side gets lost in the orange
[12:59] <ajmitch_> as ogra says :)
[12:59] <JaneW> hno-livecd: we had a lively debate with a troll about it a short while ago
[12:59] <hno-livecd> or some sort of shadow under the logo
[12:59] <JaneW> hno-livecd: be glad you weren't here
[01:00] <hno-livecd> JaneW: I'll check the logs :)
[01:00] <JaneW> ajmitch_: yes, that's why we had to put the edubuntu logo on white
[01:00] <ogra> hno-livecd, or the bright glow the other ubuntu logo on the wiki has 
[01:00] <hno-livecd> yepp, I'll play with options
[01:00] <hno-livecd> crimsun: what about the spacing?
[01:01] <JaneW> hno-livecd: I like bold colours rather than gradient for this specific purpose
[01:01] <crimsun> hno-livecd: I was thinking there might need to be more space between each section (quick links, related projects, news highlights)
[01:01] <hno-livecd> ajmitch_: it should adapt to any screensize 
[01:01] <crimsun> hno-livecd: but that's probably tied to ajmitch_'s question
[01:01] <JaneW> hno-livecd: we can always have a white background to the partner projects section can't we?
[01:02] <ajmitch_> hno-livecd: so the orange bar will right-align, the white content area will expand?
[01:02] <hno-livecd> crimsun: sounds good. It does need some tweaking
[01:02] <hno-livecd> JaneW: yeah, that might look good
[01:03] <hno-livecd> ajmitch_: yes
[01:03] <hno-livecd> I don't have the link to Jonathan's original ATM, but that does expand
[01:04] <JaneW> http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/4/
[01:05] <ajmitch_> ok, so that has the edubuntu logo on the right
[01:05] <ajmitch_> still very similar
[01:06] <JaneW> ajmitch_: yes it's almost the same...
[01:06] <JaneW> ajmitch_: and the brief I gave to the designer was do anything, it doesn't have to look like the ubuntu logo at all   ;)
[01:07] <hno-livecd> Yeah, it's mainly the same. The main changes are actually here: http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/Edubunt-wiki-layout.png on the wiki layout
[01:07] <hno-livecd> which is what I originally set out to do based on Jonathan's web page ...
[01:08] <hno-livecd> but when I couldn't get everything to fit I decided it was just easier to change his page :)
[01:08] <JaneW> hno-livecd: I think ajmitch_ meant the edubuntu logo is pretty similar to the ubuntu logo (unless I misunderstood)
[01:09] <ajmitch_> JaneW: that's true, but I meant the page layout :)
[01:09] <JaneW> oic, sorry
[01:14] <JaneW> hi Karnaugh 
[01:15] <JaneW> Karnaugh: if you troll here I
[01:15] <JaneW> 'll thwap you
[01:15] <ajmitch_> heh
[01:15] <Karnaugh> heh
[01:15] <Karnaugh> I'll twap you back ;)
[01:15] <Karnaugh> *thwap even
[01:18] <JaneW> ajmitch_: yes but you aren't a potential troll ;)
[01:18] <ajmitch_> you never know :)
[01:18] <ajmitch_> hi jinty 
[01:18] <JaneW> hi jinty
[01:18] <JaneW> ogra: how are things looking atm? are you done with xss?
[01:19] <ogra> JaneW, beside the normal bugs, yes...
[01:19] <ogra> i'll have to revisit the code for standard bugfixing ...
[01:19] <JaneW> ogra: is it still taking a lot of your time? and did Mark accept your changes (3 buttons etc)
[01:19] <ogra> i fixed gcompris over the weekend... its gotten very good
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: GREAT!
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, makr ordered them
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: so it's in and working?
[01:20] <ogra> i made sure they match his expectations *before* ;)
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: very wise!
[01:20] <jinty> hi all
[01:20] <ogra> xss is in since last friday or was it thursday ? 
[01:21] <JaneW> fri?
[01:21] <ogra> after that i fixed gcompris... yesterday night the timeout bug...
[01:21] <ogra> hi jinty 
[01:21] <JaneW> ogra: how was your holiday yesterday? did you rest?
[01:21] <ogra> not really....
[01:21] <ajmitch_> ogra? rest? heh
[01:21] <ogra> mdz didnt want to accept the gcompris fixes, they were to huge... i had to discuss a *lot*
[01:22] <ogra> (600icons were added to the code)
[01:22] <ogra> but they are in now ;)
[01:22] <ajmitch_> oh good :)
[01:22] <ogra> i fear the discussion about moodle that we#ll have 
[01:23] <ogra> but until now i  got nearly everything i needed from him 
[01:23] <ogra> JaneW, btw, because i ran out of time for moodle due to xss, ajmitch_ grabbed it... he deserves a big gold star ;)
[01:24] <ajmitch_> I'll accept beer in lieu of stars ;)
[01:24] <JaneW> ajmitch_: oh alright
[01:24] <ogra> now i only have lots and lots of ltsp fixes to do, rebuild the artwork package and see that i weed out powerpc to fit on the CD...
[01:24] <JaneW> ajmitch_: seriously though thanks for the help, we need all we can get
[01:25] <ajmitch_> JaneW: I'll start swimming to montreal as soon as everything is released :)
[01:25] <JaneW> ajmitch_: heh
[01:25] <ogra> oh, and one installer bug i'm hunting curretly... just doing a test install
[01:25] <ajmitch_> JaneW: actually I have ticket beside me, they cost enough :)
[01:25] <ogra> ajmitch_, no e-ticket ? 
[01:25] <JaneW> ogra: we need to campaign/trawl for more dev help at UBZ don't you think?
[01:25] <ajmitch_> ogra: nope
[01:26] <JaneW> ogra: it's not fair for it to all be on your head, and then have so many blocks
[01:26] <ajmitch_> all paper tickets
[01:26] <ogra> JaneW, we'll get it... i'm in #ltsp since yesterday... they all like to help...
[01:26] <JaneW> GREAT
[01:26] <ajmitch_> JaneW: I thought I'd help with moodle so that we still have a living ogra at UBZ
[01:26] <JaneW> ogra: then you can be chief whip, and refuse to accept thier packages if they are late ;)
[01:26] <ogra> JaneW, but i'd love to give away even more parts since i didnt do much on ubuntu during this cycle..
[01:27] <JaneW> ajmitch_: orga has been a legend, and deserves praise
[01:27] <ogra> heh
[01:27] <ajmitch_> he does
[01:27] <ajmitch_> he deserves rest, too
[01:27] <ajmitch_> which I suspect he'll appreciate more than praise by release day
[01:27] <ogra> not really... i was very beadly organized in the beginning... mdz will agree on that... but i think he also sees my improvement :)
[01:27] <JaneW> thing is ppl think edubuntu didn't achieve enough so we are fighting an uphill battle :(
[01:27] <JaneW> ogra: yes you really need rest! I hope you are looking after yourself
[01:28] <ogra> JaneW, suse is :)
[01:28] <ogra> she cares for everything here (lots of animals in the house, my food etc)
[01:28] <crimsun> for a second I thought you meant novell-suse
[01:28] <ogra> and she swings the whip before i fall asleep on my keyboard 
[01:28] <JaneW> ogra: yes we had a slow start, but it was also a learning curve, and they should have antcipated that, also we lost many weeks after UDU with no one owning edubuntu
[01:29] <ajmitch_> she is very good to you :)
[01:29] <JaneW> ogra: nice
[01:29] <ogra> JaneW, yup... but i could have done better..
[01:29] <JaneW> ogra: though you need to find a new g/f or rename her *hide*
[01:29] <JaneW> (JOKING)
[01:29] <JaneW> is you cat recovered yet?
[01:30] <JaneW> s/you/your
[01:30] <JaneW> ajmitch_: do you keep them in a jar?
[01:30] <ogra> yup, she is fine
[01:30] <JaneW> great
[01:30] <ajmitch_> JaneW: no, on malone
[01:30] <JaneW> ogra: so is suse back now?
[01:30] <ajmitch_> and debbugs for some :)
[01:30] <JaneW> ajmitch_: :)
[01:31] <ogra> yup, she's just reading ;)
[01:33] <ogra> ajmitch_, ask pitti about postgres db creation...
[01:34] <ogra> nobody can explain it better
[01:34] <ajmitch_> ogra: do you want mysql creation as well?
[01:34] <ogra> people will want it i guess...
[01:34] <ogra> i personally would be fine with postgres... but we would make a big step away from debian with it
[01:35] <ogra> and i guess users will moan about it
[01:35] <ajmitch_> they certainly will
[01:35] <ajmitch_> I'd moan if only postgres was supported when the code can do both
[01:36] <ogra> thats unbelivable...
[01:36] <ogra> he rejected it completely...
[01:36] <ajmitch_> I guess moodle will get the same fate
[01:37] <ogra> now he writes "needs integration earlier in a release cycle"
[01:37] <ajmitch_> yeah :-/
[01:37] <ogra> ajmitch_, he said its not supportable at alll
[01:37] <ajmitch_> it's something you were counting on having?
[01:38] <ogra> when the report was agrred by pitti there was plenty of time... but due to his and pittis objections i dropped it
[01:38] <ogra> now it looks like i'd have put up the report to late... thas weird
[01:39] <ogra> (the inclusion report was from late july/early august)
[01:40] <ajmitch_> pitti says moodle has a horrible security history as well
[01:41] <ogra> ajmitch_, yes...
[02:11] <Zaheer> yo mr highVoltage, like to give you a BIG UP on the great art work in edubuntu.   :)
[02:13] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[02:22] <highvolt1ge> JaneW: hi
[02:23] <highvolt1ge> Zaheer: thanks, but i can't take credit for the artwork. it's from the gartoon icon theme.
[02:30] <Zaheer> still looks great tho'
[03:08] <Zaheer> mr voltage are the tuxlabs strictly for schools?
[03:08] <jsgotangco> oh its a turnkey solution indeed
[03:17] <Karnaugh> Zaheer: educational institutions, yes. who else would need a tux lab?
[03:20] <Zaheer> well i know of a voluntary organization that empower the less fortunate with skills such as computers, but these are not school kids its more adults.
[03:20] <Zaheer> i was thinking of approaching them with the idea of using edubuntu to educate those peple.
[03:21] <Zaheer> reason why i asked was that i know the tuxlab project focuses more on schools.
[03:22] <jsgotangco> Zaheer: you can just use ubuntu itself if you want an ltsp environment really
[03:23] <Zaheer> no i would like to support edubuntu in everyway that i can :D
[03:23] <ogra> Karnaugh, small companies that want to save money for hardware through using thin clients ? municipalities etc that want centralized management ?
[03:24] <ogra> indeed they probably would rather use plain ltsp on top of a "non child branded" OS
[03:24] <Karnaugh> ogra: err, my understanding of the "tuxLab" concept is donation of linux powered machines, to educational institutions
[03:24] <ogra> Karnaugh, its a ltsp solution with added edu software and artwork for younger people...
[03:25] <ogra> if you take away the edu apps and the specialized artwork, you have a perfect solution for small offices etc
[03:25] <Karnaugh> http://www.tuxlab.org.za/
[03:26] <jsgotangco> Zaheer: with a client, i just use Ubuntu with ltsp really...
[03:27] <Zaheer> cool, still have to figure out how to do that tho', been messing with the workstations only.
[03:27] <highvolt1ge> Zaheer: the model is designed with schools in mind, but we are also looking at installing in prisons, and have installed at libraries as well.
[03:29] <Zaheer> well let me approach them first and see what they say.
[03:29] <Zaheer> maybe they already have a computer program in place.
[03:51] <spacey> JaneW, ping
[04:09] <mhz_zzZ> MOIN Y'ALL
[04:11] <JaneW> spacey: pong
[04:12] <jsgotangco> mhz_zzZ: and its time for me to sleep =)
[04:12] <mhz_zzZ> bong
[04:12] <spacey> JaneW, i just got reply from school, and they accepted my proposal for working on ubuntu. so you got yourself a little helper now for after ubz ;)
[04:13] <jsgotangco> spacey: wow
[04:13] <mhz> jsgotangco: i woke up
[04:13] <jsgotangco> spacey: what will you be doing specifically?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mhz: if it interests you, i've moved all docs in wiki form at the edubuntu website =)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mhz: pig out =)
[04:14] <spacey> jsgotangco, to be decided at UBZ mostly, at least regarding edubuntu
[04:14] <spacey> also some other stuff
[04:14] <mhz> I know this may not be the right #channel BUT i already spent 19 hourse yesterday and I could not solve my stupid problem. Could someone help me understand why TFTP does not provide packages???
[04:14] <JaneW> spacey: awesome!
[04:15] <spacey> yup :)
[04:15] <JaneW> :)
[04:15] <jsgotangco> nice, free labor joke :)
[04:19] <Zaheer> anways im outta here... have a good evening,morning,afternoon everyone. l8tr :D
[04:20] <magnon> JaneW: ask me about what? :P
[04:20] <magnon> :)
[04:20] <JaneW> magnon: trolls
[04:21] <magnon> Oh, right
[04:21] <magnon> Jessica
[04:21] <magnon> and real trolls
[04:21] <magnon> we city people don't have many of the real ones though
[04:23] <jsgotangco> good night =)
[04:24] <mhz> jsgotangco: nite
[04:25] <mhz> JaneW: if i recall correctly, you posted (or someone) a url about a this guy who had worked on a terrific proposal for breezy covers. Actually, those may have been the very first proposals. do you have that url??
[04:27] <JaneW> mhz: yes
[04:28] <JaneW> une momento por favore
[04:28] <mhz> JaneW: yes as in "I can help you solve your TFTP problem" or as in "yes, I have that url"
[04:28] <JaneW> http://ubuntu.tux.com.au/gallery/
[04:28] <mhz> JaneW: no hay problema, estoy acostumbrado a esperar :)
[04:30] <mhz> yep, that was it
[04:30] <mhz> .oO(very cool designer)
[04:30] <mhz> JaneW: is there an official Ubuntu Breezy CD cover yet?
[04:31] <mhz> (so I can work on the Edubuntu one)
[04:31] <JaneW> I haven't been able to find it, but there must be
[04:31] <JaneW> unfortunately the person I have to ask want there to NOT be edubuntu CDs
[04:31] <JaneW> sigh
[04:31] <mhz> I looked for it aprox. 5 hours, unsuccessfully
[04:32] <jsgotangco> JaneW: are we having a limited print run of pressed cds?
[04:32] <mhz> ok, no problem. We just need hm to mention what official Ubuntu cover will be, no need to mention about Edubuntu :)
[04:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: not fair, you were sleeping!
[04:33] <mhz> :)
[04:33] <JaneW> there's no plan for right now, but after the relase if we have a good stable and usable CD then I can motivate for 'a few hundred' now
[04:33] <JaneW> I may have to get them done locally
[04:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW: I can source over to some contacts from the local print media as well to check the costing
[04:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW: its usually done in Hong Kong
[04:34] <JaneW> but a few 100 makes it less cost effective
[04:34] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:34] <jsgotangco> let's test the market first =)
[04:37] <mhz> JaneW: where this dsigner come from?
[04:38] <JaneW> geographically?
[04:38] <JaneW> it's Sebastein Loss from France
[04:38] <JaneW> community member
[04:38] <jsgotangco> seems french
[04:38] <jsgotangco> bingo
[04:38] <jsgotangco> that's old artwork really
[04:38] <jsgotangco> a few weeks after breezy was announced
[04:39] <mhz> yes, hence my surprise!
[04:39] <mhz> he just did it, and he did a great job
[04:39] <JaneW> look I book marked that months ago, and haven't seen anything else...
[04:40] <jsgotangco> i won't be surprised if we'll be seeing drake artwork a few days after breezy is released
[04:40] <jsgotangco> but at the moment, Sebastien's artwork is the most professional-looking
[04:41] <jsgotangco> ok i gotta sleep now really
[04:41] <jsgotangco> good night
[04:42] <mhz> nite
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW does anyone have designs for the Breezy CD covers and labels?
[04:43] <JaneW> jdub JaneW: silbs
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs JaneW: they aren't final yet - will upload to the wiki as soon as they are
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW silbs: ok thanks
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs silbs: I can send you non-final versions if you are curious, but don't want them distributed yet
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW silbs: we'd like a matching edubuntu design even if they don't get printed for us
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs cd packages should be final late today. cd faces are having colour problems, probably not final till next week
[04:43] <JaneW> jdub silbs: are we going to publish them to public wiki, or have 'unofficial' versions of them?
[04:43] <JaneW> JaneW silbs: so we are just looking at the general theme and idea, so far all we have to go on is : http://ubuntu.tux.com.au/gallery/CDcovers-etc
[04:43] <JaneW> silbs jdub: as above, "will upload to the wiki as soon as they are" final
[04:43] <jsgotangco> #c?
[04:46] <JaneW> yep
[04:47] <mhz> JaneW: as soo as I can see the release candidate, I'll work on a edubuntu idea
[04:47] <JaneW> ok, should be in the next day or 2
[04:48] <mhz> np, as I said in spanish b4.. "I can wait"
[04:50] <JaneW> mhz: I gathered that what you said, since I know like 4-5 stock movie phrases I could have been certain though ;)
[04:51] <mhz> lol
[04:52] <ogra> mmmmm :)
[04:52] <ogra> the edubuntu usplash works :)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:53] <jsgotangco> its actually nice
[04:53] <ogra> i havent seen it, its my first test install since 12 days :)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ahh i install/update at least every 2 days
[04:54] <jsgotangco> night
[04:54] <ogra> screensaver and gcompris hacking kept me away from it
[04:54] <ogra> night jsgotangco 
[05:03] <highvolt1ge> ogra: how's gcompris?
[05:03] <ogra> fine
[05:03] <ogra> try it ;)
[05:03] <ogra> it needs tester
[05:04] <ogra> s
[05:04] <highvolt1ge> ok. will do tonight. an apt-get update ; dist-upgrade should be fine, right? i don't need to download a new nightly build, right?
[05:05] <ogra> yup
[05:05] <highvolt1ge> and if i download it in normal breezy, will it be the same as edubuntu?
[05:05] <ogra> yup
[05:05] <highvoltage> ok. downloading now.
[05:06] <ogra> 6.5.3-2+7.0.2ubuntu1 is the recent version
[05:07] <highvoltage> cool. that's the one apt is downloading.
[05:07] <highvoltage> only going at 8kb/s though :/ should be finished in 42 minutes at least.
[05:07] <ogra> phew, thats slow 
[05:26] <macgyver2> Can anyone give me an estimate of the size of the edubuntu installs?
[05:26] <ogra> about 2.6 GB
[05:27] <macgyver2> For each or combined?
[05:27] <ogra> ??
[05:27] <ogra> for the install....
[05:28] <ogra> actually its a bit less, but the final version will be around that value
[05:28] <macgyver2> You've got the server then you have the clients, right?
[05:28] <ogra> its ltsp
[05:28] <highvoltage> macgyver2: are you talking about an ltsp setup? you only need to install it once, it doesn't require any more space for additional workstations.
[05:28] <ogra> its all on one machine
[05:29] <macgyver2> Okay...guess I'll have to read more :)
[05:29] <ogra> since the ltsp server is our default install, the default install contains everything needed... this is about 2.4 to 2.6 GB
[05:30] <ogra> (it varys depending on the language you install)
[05:31] <macgyver2> Okay, thanks very much.  I wanted to play around with something so I decided to try to play with edubuntu under UML.
[05:32] <highvoltage> oooh. nice. no more complaining about missing images.
[05:32] <ogra> highvoltage, gc ? 
[05:32] <ogra> :)
[05:33] <ogra> yes, the fix contains ~ 600 new icons
[05:33] <highvoltage> ogra: yes :)
[05:34] <highvoltage> :/ there is one place where it complains about language packs not being installed
[05:35] <JaneW> I'm off to yoga. Bye
[05:35] <ogra> have fun :)
[05:35] <ogra> highvoltage, where ? 
[05:36] <ogra> the -en pack is installed by default, it shouldnt do that
[05:37] <ogra> but i'm pondering to drop the completely... since the audio files make no sense at all without sound
[05:37] <ogra> as well as i will disable all sound stuff on the desktop ... (soundserver, volume control) i think
[05:39] <mhz> good point
[05:40] <ogra> highvoltage, if you find the place wher gc complains about missing langs, please file a bug with the list of gc packages you have installed and an explanation where exactly this occurs
[05:43] <highvoltage> under reading: click on a letter
[05:43] <highvoltage> ogra: where do i file the bug report again?
[05:43] <ogra> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <ogra> highvoltage, doesnt occur here
[05:47] <ogra> but i have the german sounds package installed...
[05:47] <highvoltage> this is on a breezy system, should that make a difference?
[05:47] <ogra> do you have gc-data gc-sounds-en installed there ? 
[05:48] <ogra> these are needed
[05:48] <ogra> (they are installed by default with edubuntu)
[05:49] <highvoltage> gcompris-data: yes, installed. gcomprix-sound-en: no, installing now.
[05:50] <highvoltage> gcompris-sound-en does not seem to install by default when you install gcompris on Ubuntu Hoary.
[05:50] <highvoltage> is this a bug, or normal?
[05:50] <highvoltage> and will this bug fall under ubuntu, or universe?
[05:50] <ogra> thats normal... you should install the language pack for your locale 
[05:50] <ogra> ubuntu
[05:51] <highvoltage> ok. then i shouldn't file a bug?
[05:51] <ogra> but thats no bug if it works after installing the sound-en package
[05:51] <ogra> gcomprs recommends the sound packages, it doesnt depend on them
[05:52] <ogra>  apt-cache show gcompris-data ;)
[07:04] <scav> in what package is the "teacherspet" application?
[07:04] <ogra> there is no package .... its not ready for this release
[07:05] <ogra> i will care for a backport to breezy as soon as it hits dapper...
[07:06] <scav> cool
[07:06] <scav> havent tried edubuntu yet, looking forward for the first release, gonna test it right away :)
[07:07] <ogra> make sure to read http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting before installing, i try to keep it up to date with the remaining bugs you could encounter... so you are prepared
[07:07] <scav> nice :) 
[07:08] <scav> im running a customized fc4 install for my school at the moment, got about 100 users on it. maybe i will switch to edubuntu.. love the desktop distro 
[07:10] <ogra> :)
[07:11] <magnon> scav: have about 100 users at a place too, ubuntu so far, edubuntu after release :)
[08:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: Fear Factor?
[10:13] <yvesC> ogra: thanks !
[10:13] <ogra> yvesC, please test it :=)
[10:13] <yvesC> The new gcompris package is perfect.
[10:13] <ogra> yay
[10:13] <ogra> thats a nice compliment :)
[10:14] <yvesC> administration works fine. I have selected working boards with filter, at hand. That works
[10:14] <ogra> fine
[10:15] <ogra> i'd love to have some automatic selection for the sound packages based on the installation locale but i doubt that will mak it before release in the installer
[10:15] <ogra> its a bit complicated to change...
[10:16] <yvesC> profiles works fine too. All seems ok.
[10:16] <yvesC> sounds. 
[10:17] <yvesC> If gcompris is in the default install, you could put gcompris_sound_locale in langage_pack ?
[10:18] <ogra> nope, since i'd have to change langpacks for ubuntu...
[10:18] <ogra> that not feasable
[10:18] <yvesC> langpack are the same for ubuntu...
[10:19] <ogra> yup
[10:19] <ogra> i only can do it in the installer
[10:19] <yvesC> a mail from dpkg to inform the user ?
[10:19] <ogra> nah
[10:20] <ogra> i think for now i'll put a note in the install notes and install -en by default...
[10:20] <ogra> for next release there will be some intelligence in the installer
[10:20] <yvesC> ok
[10:22] <yvesC> gcompris should check that better too. For now there is just a dialog in click_on_letter if voices are missing.
[10:22] <bdoin> at some point, it would be great to discuss on how to integrate well all eduapp altogether by using some common api that makes user management and reporting easy.
[10:22] <bdoin> Have you already though about that ? is this important for you ?
[10:22] <ogra> its planned for dapper...
[10:23] <ogra> sorry guys, i have a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[10:23] <bdoin> great
[10:23] <bdoin> no problem
[10:23] <yvesC> by
[10:31] <yvesC> fonts-ttf-dustismo
[10:32] <yvesC> sorry, bad chan