[09:45] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[09:46] <Tonio-> Riddell: after many tests, I don't suggest you to include wlassistant....
[09:46] <Tonio-> it has several bugs in fact....
[09:46] <Tonio-> I will report that to the upstream, but when corrected, it will be rocking ;)
[09:51] <\sh> because yast is much more broken...so better just a handy vi and a conf file ,-=)
[09:52] <Tonio-> \sh: yep but I mean wlassistant, kdenetworkconf are working fine on other distro......
[09:53] <Tonio-> I dunno what is specific on that point on ubuntu.....
[09:53] <Tonio-> kdenetworkconf has many bugs on ubuntu you will not find on other distros...
[09:54] <Tonio-> I don't hav problems with conf files of course, but I can't explain how to connect to a wifi network to my girlfriend with the shell ^_^
[10:01] <\sh> Tonio-: depends what you wanna do..if wlan* is using /etc/network/interfaces everything should be fine...
[10:09] <Tonio-> rahhhhhhhhhhh damned acpi.........
[10:27] <amu> moin'
[11:02] <\sh> chmj: ping
[11:16] <chmj> pong 
[11:17] <chmj> \sh: pong 
[02:11] <JRe> it's right that kdenetworkconf is pretty unstable
[02:12] <Riddell> JRe: what's unstable with it?
[02:12] <JRe> i don't when i use it it often mess my /etc/network/interfaces file
[02:13] <JRe> tough it detect well all the interfaces
[02:14] <JRe> i also have a geometry error I can't see the Ok Apply, .. buttons
[02:14] <JRe> even in fullscreen mode
[02:14] <JRe> (1024*768)
[02:14] <JRe> (with system settings)
[02:15] <JRe> (well that's more a systemsettings bug because it does not do it with kcontrol)
[02:17] <JRe> and there is also the bug with kdesu
[02:18] <Tm_T> hmh
[02:18] <JRe> Riddell: BTW i have packaged libvisual to have the visualization enabled in amarok
[02:18] <Tm_T> JRe: oh good :)
[02:18] <hunger> K3B ignores the settings in /etc/default/cdrecord.
[02:18] <Tm_T> wellwellwell
[02:18] <hunger> and it tries to use the wrong device to burn for me.
[02:18] <JRe> Tm_T: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources
[02:19] <JRe> Tm_T: (or directly http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/breezy64 if you have an amd64)
[02:19] <Tm_T> JRe: I compiled from sources ;)
[02:19] <JRe> :)
[02:20] <Tm_T> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386
[02:20] <JRe> Tm_T: it's pretty nice and it seems to have good plugins
[02:20] <Tm_T> JRe: yup
[02:20] <Tm_T> although I don't really use them :p
[02:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: there was a problem in the svg files of adept icons....
[02:20] <JRe> Tm_T: but unfortunaly I don't manage to compile libvisual-plugins to have the GForce port :(
[02:20] <Tm_T> :/
[02:20] <Tm_T> btw I can't get my nvidia working
[02:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: strangely some transparency effects in inkscape are not compatible with ksvg.....
[02:21] <Tm_T> so I use nv in my Xorg
[02:21] <JRe> Tm_T: there is a strange error with the configure script, it does not detect properly the X11 headers don't know why
[02:21] <Tonio-> Riddell: I modified them with karbon and they are now okay, may I send them to you by mail ???
[02:22] <JRe> everyone can take a look to museeq too it's a QT soulseek client
[02:22] <JRe> (packaged in http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources)
[02:23] <Riddell> Tonio-: inkscape supporting stuff that ksvg1 doesn't isn't strange
[02:24] <Riddell> Tonio-: do they modified ones look any different?
[02:24] <JRe> Tm_T: if you want to try to compile libvisual-plugins go there; http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=106542&package_id=119413&release_id=303738
[02:24] <Riddell> JRe: you can upload to revu
[02:24] <JRe> Riddell: libvisual ?
[02:25] <Riddell> JRe: yes
[02:25] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:26] <Tm_T> will this patch be included to kubuntu packages? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386
[02:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: not for breezy
[02:27] <hunger> k3bsetup does show an empty window only:-(
[02:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok
[02:28] <JRe> anyone else than me has trouble when burning audio cd's as non-root ?
[02:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's situation with kde packages & kubuntu? we'll get em on time?
[02:28] <JRe> I can do it but after the sound is ugly
[02:28] <Tonio-> Riddell: original ones don't display transparency when set as an icon in klauncher
[02:28] <Tonio-> or when displayed as a preview with kde 3.4.2
[02:28] <Tonio-> let me just a minute to show you.....
[02:29] <JRe> there is also a problem with the normalize-audio package and k3b it should create a simlink in /usr/bin called normalize and pointing to normalize-audio
[02:31] <JRe> Riddell: should i take look to the normalize-audio package ?
[02:32] <JRe> Riddell: (or should i patch the k3b source code) ?
[02:33] <Riddell> 2004-06-26: The package and binary names had to be changed due to namespace
[02:34] <Riddell> conflicts. The binary normalize was renamed to normalize-audio so that it
[02:34] <Riddell> keeps orthogonal with its frontend names (normalize-ogg and normalize-mp3)
[02:34] <Riddell> while not using a generic name anymore.
[02:34] <Riddell> JRe: patch k3b if it's hard coded to run normalise
[02:34] <Riddell> See more information about it here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250390
[02:34] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept_problem.png
[02:34] <JRe> Riddell: yes changing the program name from normalze to normalzee-audio in k3b source
[02:34] <Riddell> The requested URL /temp/adept_problem.png was not found on this server.
[02:34] <Tonio-> Riddell: here it is, you can open the file finely, but preview has this bug....
[02:35] <Tonio-> Riddell: and adding adept in klauncher applet causes the same bug
[02:35] <Riddell> Tonio-: what is klauncher applet?
[02:35] <Tonio-> in english it might be "application launcher" I assume
[02:36] <Riddell> where is this applet?
[02:36] <Tonio-> let me show you....
[02:37] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png -> look on the right
[02:37] <Tonio-> Riddell: problem with size and transparency......
[02:37] <Tonio-> don't know the english term for this applet
[02:38] <hunger> K3B does not burn CDs in my setup. It asks cdrecord to use the wrong device.
[02:39] <hunger> It tries to burn to 1,0,0 (which is the device cdrecord -scanbus thinks it is), thus resulting in cdrecord trying to write to /dev/sg0 which is associated with my HD... Lucky me that I do not have permission to write there:-)
[02:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept_problem.png -> upload is finished, you can look at the bug in the preview
[02:40] <hunger> It should use /dev/sg1... and it does if I ask cdrecord to use dev=/dev/scd0
[02:40] <Tonio-> Riddell: he image is perfect with inkscape, but has this probem..... sounds strange !
[02:41] <hunger> smurf: I can't... no net on the ubuntu box.
[02:41] <Tm_T> Tonio-: yu, I found same problem couple months ago
[02:41] <JRe> Riddell: ok i have taken a look in k3b ands it's hardcoded. I'll patch it and send it to you.
[02:42] <Tonio-> Tm_T: I had to recreate the transparency effects with karbon, and then everything is perfect
[02:42] <Tm_T> oh
[02:42] <hunger> smurf: The CDRW is scsi1, chan 0, id 0, lun 0 in /scsi (HD is scsi0, chan 0, id 0, lun 0) (both are SATA drives). 
[02:42] <Tonio-> Tm_T: yep, that's why I assume a inkscape bug
[02:42] <hunger> smurf: sg0 is 21,0 (mayor,minor), sg1 is 21,1
[02:42] <Riddell> hunger: smurf is on #ubuntu-devel
[02:43] <hunger> Riddell: Sorry:-)
[02:43] <Tonio-> Tm_T: that sounds unbeleivable with an xml type document, but that's it.....
[02:43] <Tm_T> Tonio-: yes, gimp and ksvg & co does show it similar, but inkscape not
[02:43] <Tonio-> exactly, Riddell may I send you the corrected version built with karbon ?
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio-: ok
[02:43] <Tonio-> I will certainly post a bug to inkscape for this......
[02:44] <Riddell> Tonio-: I suspect it's a ksvg problem
[02:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: why then only inkscape show it "correctly" ?
[02:44] <Riddell> or even a KDE SVG preview problem
[02:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: inkscape doesn't use librsvg
[02:45] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: when I open the ile with karbon, transparency is lost also.............
[02:45] <Tonio-> is karbon isung parts of ksvg ?
[02:45] <Riddell> karbon uses ksvg1 yes
[02:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: that's why ;)
[02:45] <Tonio-> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept_manager.svgz
[02:46] <Tonio-> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept_updater.svgz
[02:46] <Tonio-> these ones are correct in both karbon, inkscape, konqueror and everything ;)
[02:46] <Tm_T> heh
[02:50] <Riddell> Tonio-: I can't find that kicker applet, and I don't see why it would be using SVG icons
[02:51] <Tonio-> Riddell: it is......... when I changed the svg Icon everything whent fine....
[02:53] <Riddell> Tonio-: oh I believe you, I just don't understand why it's doing that :)
[02:54] <Tonio-> I don't know that
[02:55] <Tonio-> but I know that those corrected svg's will correct all the problems
[02:55] <Tonio-> also original svg's had a problem with the default size, corrected today ;)
[02:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: I'm just doing a last modification on the cd
[02:55] <Tonio-> (not same double curve on both
[02:58] <Tonio-> Riddell: with this applet you can set the icon size, so I assume it is using svg because of this.... strange that you don't find it, it is in kde for years ;)
[02:59] <Riddell> there's the Quick Launcher applet but that doesn't let you set the icons size
[03:00] <Riddell> as far as I can see
[03:11] <Tonio-> if you right click on the little arrow
[03:11] <Tonio-> in the menus you have 5 things
[03:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: add application, remove application, set icon size, keep space, lock
[03:12] <Tonio-> don't you see this ?
[03:13] <Riddell> yes
[03:14] <Riddell> that's shocking usability
[03:14] <Tonio-> so you can set the icon size
[03:14] <Riddell> set to 32 and it still doesn't use SVG
[03:14] <Tonio-> that's NICE to use :)
[03:14] <Tonio-> ah ????????? strange............
[03:14] <Riddell> Tonio-: you sure you have the PNGs installed?
[03:14] <Tonio-> I have the package installed ;)
[03:15] <Tonio-> and yes I have the png's because icons are correct
[03:15] <Riddell> Tonio-: the package with the adept icon was only uploaded yesterday
[03:15] <Tonio-> if I add adept directly to the task bar, no problem
[03:15] <Tonio-> yep I updated this morning
[03:15] <Tonio-> and I then saw those problems....
[03:16] <Tonio-> and I have the png's installed.........
[03:16] <Tonio-> Riddell: anyway, do you get the icon for both updater and manager in the K menu ? I don't get it for updater
[03:18] <Riddell> err yeah, it's installed to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/adept/updater.png
[03:25] <Tonio-> Riddell: just send you an email with the two corrected svg files (just did a little correction on the CD)
[03:27] <Tonio-> Riddell: just tests all resolution and the launcher uses svg in all cases for me.... It's way to work is strange ;)
[03:28] <Tonio-> I just tested all resolutions <- that's better
[04:30] <Riddell> hi jjesse 
[04:33] <jjesse> hello Riddell 
[04:33] <jjesse> did you get my link?
[04:34] <Riddell> jjesse: yes thanks
[04:34] <jjesse> cool no problem
[04:46] <jjesse> just saw it 
[04:48] <StR> Hi all!
[04:48] <StR> I finaly saw the usplash!
[04:49] <Riddell> if anyone wants to sort out the colour palette in usplash that would be great
[04:50] <StR> Riddell: yes...  well, I don't know if we should stay with usplash or change to splashy
[04:50] <StR> (we as in we-kubuntu)
[04:50] <Riddell> we'll use usplash 
[04:50] <StR> lol....  
[04:51] <Tonio-> Riddell: concerning the coulour palette in usplash, would you like something more visible ?
[04:51] <StR> ok, i see you are not changing your mind
[04:51] <StR> something more blue, to stay with kde colors
[04:51] <Riddell> Tonio-: the colours should be brighter, currently the bottom half of the text is invisible on a dark monitor
[04:51] <Tonio-> yep
[04:51] <Tonio-> I can have a look if you want no pb
[04:52] <Riddell> Tonio-: but more importantly the colours needs to be in the correct order for the "ok"s and scrolar to show up
[04:52] <Riddell> "ok"s and scrollbar
[04:52] <Tonio-> Riddell: is there a file containing the color sheme ?
[04:52] <Riddell> where is my typing today?
[04:52] <Tonio-> same for me, my keyboard is about to die.....
[04:52] <Riddell> #define BACKGROUND_COLOUR 0
[04:52] <Riddell> #define PROGRESSBAR_COLOUR 1
[04:52] <Riddell> #define TEXT_BACKGROUND 0
[04:52] <Riddell> #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2
[04:52] <Riddell> #define RED 13
[04:53] <Riddell> so 0 should be black, 1 something much brighter, RED is the failed noticed which are fine as they are, TEXT BACKGROUND is probably "ok" which needs to be brighter
[04:53] <Riddell> so swap around the colours in the palette for that
[04:53] <Tonio-> okay
[04:54] <Tonio-> where is the actual file ?
[04:54] <Riddell> StR: I don't know the technical advantages of usplash over splashy but that's what ubuntu has so that's what kubuntu will use
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio-: in kubuntu-default-settings
[04:54] <Riddell> source package
[04:54] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay I'll take it
[04:54] <Riddell> and kubuntu-artwork-usplash binary has the .so
[04:54] <Tonio-> have a look and prepare something for you toonigh
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: cool
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: no pb ;)
[04:55] <Riddell> jjesse: there's a bunch of stuff needs done on these release notes
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell:  did you get my mail with the final svg files ?
[04:55] <jjesse> Riddell: i would love to change them
[04:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: yes, SVG files are in SVN
[04:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: k
[04:55] <Riddell> jjesse: you're just waiting for me to tell you what needs changed?
[04:57] <jjesse> i guess i don't really now everything that needs to be changed, i took a lot of it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[04:58] <jjesse> is there a better place to look?
[04:58] <jjesse> and there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[04:58] <Riddell> jjesse: not everything in kubuntu roadmap got done
[04:59] <jjesse> i guess what i'm looking for is where can i pull the best information from?
[04:59] <Riddell> jjesse: asking me probably
[05:01] <jjesse> Riddell: can you let me know then what needs to be changed and i'll put it together
[05:01] <Riddell> kde-system-settings should be KDE System Settings
[05:01] <jjesse> ok
[05:01] <Riddell> KISDN never seems to have been uploaded, I'll try and fix that but it won't get into main
[05:01] <Riddell> qt parted isn't in main
[05:02] <Riddell> metabar and kompose likewise
[05:02] <Riddell> Kubuntu Device Database never got made
[05:02] <Riddell> and guidance isn't in main
[05:02] <Riddell> Krita is in
[05:03] <Riddell> openoffice 2 with KDE themeing
[05:03] <Riddell> kaffeine and amarok use gstreamer
[05:03] <jjesse> ok making notes and working on changes
[05:04] <Riddell> klaptopdaemon works for hibernate with acpi
[05:04] <Riddell> locate:/ can search for files in konqueror
[05:04] <Riddell> google bar in konqueror has google suggest
[05:04] <jjesse> graphical boot process w/ usplash?
[05:05] <Riddell> automounting happens so when you insert a CD or memory stick it pops up in konqueror
[05:05] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, usplash goodness
[05:05] <jjesse> x.org 6.8.2 w/ wider hardware support
[05:05] <Riddell> yes
[05:05] <jjesse> taking some things from breezy release notes
[05:05] <jjesse> language selector?
[05:05] <jjesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[05:06] <Riddell> no language selector but we do at least ship with KDE language packs
[05:06] <Tonio-> Riddell: damn !!! it means that making one test includes modifying, compiling, installing and rebooting ??? ^_^
[05:06] <Tonio-> that may take a while !!
[05:06] <Riddell> Tonio-: you can run usplash on the command line, but I'm not sure how you quit it once it's running
[05:06] <jjesse> from the on the server section in the release notes is that accurate (wiki page)
[05:07] <Tonio-> Riddell: ah ? good ;)
[05:07] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, that's all the same
[05:07] <jjesse> same w/ hardware support improvements
[05:07] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[05:07] <Tonio-> Riddell: maybe I can try to use the blue colors of the dafault kdmtheme no ??
[05:07] <StR> Tonio-: that's why I think we should use splashy!
[05:08] <Riddell> jjesse: adept-updater too for keeping your system up to date
[05:08] <Tonio-> StR: I don't now the technical advantages of usplash, but I must say that graphically, I really prefer splashy too ;)
[05:08] <Riddell> jjesse: amarok 1.3.1 (just because everyone seems to like am
[05:08] <Riddell> amarok)
[05:08] <jjesse> ok
[05:09] <jjesse> Riddell:  are applications now linkined into the launchpad infrastructure
[05:09] <Riddell> jjesse: koffice 1.4 in main featuring kexi (but not on CD)
[05:09] <Tonio-> Riddell: any link explaining the technical advantages of usplash over splashy, please ????
[05:09] <Riddell> Tonio-: no idea
[05:09] <Riddell> ask sladen, mjg59 or jbailey
[05:10] <StR> We should ask the #ubuntu-devel people
[05:10] <Riddell> Tonio-: KDE 3.4.2 of course
[05:10] <StR> but /me is still thinking in apt-get remove --purge usplash ; apt-get install splashy
[05:11] <Tonio-> I must say that the choice of usplash astonished me..... eye candy speaking, splashy is really much better
[05:12] <jjesse> Riddell: i'll make the changes mentioned and upload it (hopefully tonight)
[05:13] <Riddell> Tonio-: what's better about splashy?
[05:16] <Tonio-> the graphical look (to me of course)
[05:16] <Riddell> Tonio-: more colours?  better resolution?  or just a nicer image?
[05:16] <Tonio-> according to me, better resolution, more colord and nicer image ;)
[05:17] <Tonio-> maybe that can be done using usplash and that just depends on the way it is configured.....
[05:17] <Riddell> I think the trouble is that a lot of PCs can't do more than 16 colour at 640x480 that early in boot
[05:18] <Tonio-> did you saw a recent version of Suse booting Riddell ?
[05:18] <Tonio-> it is really nice, and I've run it on a very old machine with no problem
[05:18] <Tonio-> I don't know what they are using, is it a component of yast ? certainly.....
[05:19] <Riddell> they use bootsplash
[05:19] <Riddell> which has nothing to do with yast
[05:19] <Tonio-> okay
[05:19] <Riddell> ubuntu didn't like bootsplash because it's in kernel space
[05:19] <Riddell> I don't know anything other than that really
[05:19] <StR> Riddell:  splashy is very simple to configure, it is a simple XML and a JPG,
[05:20] <Tonio-> okay thanks for the info ;) 
[05:20] <Tonio-> all I know is that the result is a pleasure for the eyes !
[05:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: may I change the png file or only the color sheme ?
[05:21] <Riddell> Tonio-: what do you want to change about it?
[05:21] <Tonio-> hum well I would like to test with the kdm theme image reduced to 640x480
[05:22] <Tonio-> just to test....
[05:22] <Tonio-> that would be blue and not mainly black of course
[05:22] <Tonio-> and so very different from ubuntu..... that's why I'm asking
[05:23] <Riddell> nah, it needs to be a kubuntu equivalent of the ubuntu image
[05:23] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay, that's what i wanted to know ;)
[05:24] <Tonio-> StR: according to what i can see usplash can be configured the same way....
[05:26] <Tonio-> StR: simply I think that the different is simply that image, Ubuntu didn't choose a very colored image (most black in fact..........), but well, it's their distro ;)
[05:26] <StR> Tonio-: but you need to recomple usplash to make the changes?
[05:28] <aeig> the new system settings tool doesnt work well with activated double-click in kde
[05:29] <Tonio-> StR: apparently yes
[05:29] <Tonio-> aeig: what problem are you experiencing ?
[05:29] <Tonio-> I have double click activated and don't any problem systemsettings
[05:29] <Tonio-> +with
[05:30] <aeig> after a doubleclick, the show all button isnt usable
[05:30] <Tonio-> let me check
[05:30] <Tonio-> works for me............
[05:32] <aeig> have you double-click to open files activated?
[05:32] <Tonio-> yep, I can't stand working with simple click (as an old windows user....)
[05:33] <Tonio-> in systemsettings, I can't double click (it is simple click based even in my case), but I don't have any problem
[05:33] <Tonio-> stupid, really stupid question, but when do you try to click on "showw all"
[05:34] <Tonio-> in a configuration tool ? or simply in the main windows (with all options available ?)
[05:35] <Tonio-> aeig: I know it sound a stupid question, but I try to understand when and how the button is blocked...
[05:35] <aeig> after a double click on appearance, a ahow all doenst bring me back
[05:36] <Tonio-> on appearance especially let me test ;)
[05:37] <Tonio-> na, no pb for me, I can go back using "show all" button.... strange.......
[05:37] <aeig> :-)
[05:37] <Tonio-> the only problem between you and me is that I have double click activated for kde
[05:38] <Tonio-> but in my case systemsettings works with simple click
[05:38] <Tonio-> I don't have to double click to go in appearance, 1 click is enough...... though I have double click for kde
[05:38] <aeig> i also have doube click activated for kde
[05:38] <Tonio-> aeig: do you have to doule click to go in "appearance" ?
[05:38] <aeig> now 1 click is enough
[05:39] <aeig> sorry no
[05:39] <aeig> 1 click is enough
[05:40] <Tonio-> okay, so I don't meet any problem...... sorrybut I can't help you on that point ;)
[05:40] <aeig> ok np
[05:43] <aeig> i have the problem if i make a very fast double click :-)
[05:45] <Tonio-> let me try ;)
[05:46] <Tonio-> aeig: you should be very, very fast because I'm clicking as fast as I can and no pb ^^
[05:46] <aeig> :-)
[05:46] <Riddell> Tonio-: try it on Display
[05:46] <Riddell> then click Back
[05:47] <Riddell> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/16434
[05:51] <Tonio-> Riddell: it works......
[05:52] <Riddell> breaks for me
[05:52] <aeig> me to
[05:52] <Tonio-> Ican't reproduce
[05:52] <Tonio-> I can double click, resize, fit to screen, go back and fit to screen again.....
[05:54] <Tonio-> I can see the bug on the screenshot, indeed.... I saw that once I remember, yes. But I can't reproduce it.....
[05:55] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay I have been to do it, but the double click has to be very, very fast ;)
[05:55] <Tonio-> aeig: good news, it breaks for me too, but Ireally have to want it due to the speed needed
[05:57] <aeig> Tonio: its for me a normal speed double click
[05:59] <aeig> Tonio: isnt it possible to activate the double click in the system settings tool if it is activated in kde
[06:00] <Tonio-> aeig: I must conclude I am a slow guy ^_^
[06:02] <aeig> Tonio: ok seems not to be a problem for the most users
[06:03] <Tonio-> aeig: so I must conclude you are a fast guy :)
[06:03] <aeig> Tonio: :-)
[06:03] <Tonio-> also I'm working on a laptop so my double click speed is certainly limited by this
[06:05] <aeig> Tonio: you should test it with a usb mouse
[06:06] <Tonio-> aeig: I will on my desktop computer toonigh
[06:07] <aeig> ok
[06:11] <Tonio-> Riddell: I download the kubuntu-default-settings as you said, but I am not able to find where the colors are defined.......
[06:11] <Riddell> Tonio-: in the .png file
[06:13] <Tonio-> ah it take the colors directly from the png ? okay, I was searching a text based file ;)
[06:14] <Riddell> the PNG file will have a palette and the colours in it need swapping around so they match the numbers I mentioned before
[06:15] <Tonio-> yes okay I can understand now ;)
[06:29] <Tonio-> back to GIMP.....
[09:04] <allee> Tonio-: wlassistant: No bugreports of you in sf bug tracker. No time yet?
[09:05] <Tonio-> absolutly :)
[09:06] <Tonio-> I assume I will perform that tomorrow, it is on my todo list but I have a 80 pages doc to read..... I have to prepare a Xen virtualized server tomorrow :-(
[09:06] <allee> 'k.  Did you notice that 'link quality' not updated on scan?
[09:06] <allee> Tonio-: oh, good luck
[09:07] <Tonio-> yep I saw that, as well as when you disconnect you cannot reconnect and have to perform a "dhclient" then the connection loads correctly....
[09:07] <Tonio-> did you notice that ?
[09:07] <Tonio-> allee: I know gsx server very well but am not very comfortable with xen actually..... will see ;)
[09:08] <allee> Tonio-: no.  I had no 'internet' connection during my tests so I got kicked of because google could not be pinged
[09:08] <Tonio-> that's a problem..... wlassistant bugging, kdenetworkconf bugging......
[09:08] <Tonio-> not easy to perform connections whithout going in the shell.......
[09:08] <allee> I read it in the logs
[09:09] <allee> Tonio-: yes network setup needs still much work
[09:09] <Tonio-> yep, I will post a bug report tomorrow evening, but tonight, no time for this ;)
[09:09] <allee> 'k.  Happy reading
[09:09] <Tonio-> I hope Guidance will perform a network conf tool ;)
[09:09] <Tonio-> that would be great ;)
[09:09] <Riddell> Tonio-: just poke sebas lots
[09:10] <Tonio-> I have to learn python this year, work my job, wo maybe I will try to do it in the next month, that may not be that hard.....
[09:11] <allee> Riddell: kdenetworkconfig shares backend with gnome. Maybe it's more efficient to fix kdenetworkconf
[09:11] <Riddell> allee: that's my thinking too
[09:11] <Tonio-> allee: talking about the xml files used to store parameters ?
[09:12] <Tonio-> I have a friend of mine who is a very good C++ coder.... if you send me a complete bug list, maybe he can have a look...
[09:13] <allee> Tonio-: for wlassistant?
[09:13] <Tonio-> for kdenetworkconf :)
[09:14] <Tonio-> if kdenetworkconf is patched to work correctly, wlassistant will be technically unnecessary
[09:14] <Tonio-> but kubuntu needs one working networkconf tool
[09:16] <Riddell> does gnome-system-tools/knetworkconf have and wireless stuff in it?
[09:16] <allee> ah, time to look into kdenetworkconf again.  Is this a 'breezy goal'?
[09:16] <Tonio-> kdenetworkconf has
[09:17] <Tonio-> I don't know if that is using gnome-system-tools......
[09:17] <Riddell> it uses the same backend
[09:18] <Tonio-> I know but is the wireless stuff of kdenetworkconf using that backend too, I don't have any idea
[09:18] <Riddell> I imagine so
[09:18] <Tonio-> so do I :)
[09:19] <Tonio-> okay let's go with usplash, and then read that xen doc !
[09:20] <Tonio-> Riddell: concerning the patch for default route when in static IP I haven't been able to find the sources unfortunatly, only the binary package.......
[09:22] <Tonio-> I just know that aslinux has patched it.....
[09:23] <Tonio-> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098 -> as been discussed here
[09:23] <Tonio-> let's search again ;)
[09:30] <Tonio-> damn their repo doesn't have source....
[11:13] <sebas> Tonio-: Actually I'm waiting for someone to pick up network-manager and code a KDE frontend (I heard rumors that someone is working on it).
[11:17] <Riddell> sebas: knetworkconf
[11:18] <sebas> Riddell: Is that a frontend to networkmanager?
[11:18] <Riddell> no, to gnome-system-tools
[11:18] <Riddell> which one is networkmanager?
[11:18] <sebas> That gnome applet is network-manager
[11:18] <sebas> fab blogged about it some days ago.
[11:19] <Riddell> right, don't think anyone is working on that
[11:19] <Riddell> needs dbus bindings didn't clee say?
[11:19] <sebas> Yep.
[11:19] <sebas> It gets notified of cable unplugging and that sort of stuff via dbus.
[11:19] <JRee> sebas: hum interessting :)
[11:20] <JRee> sebas: where are the source of guidance ?
[11:20] <sebas> What do the profiles do in knetworkconf?
[11:20] <sebas> JRee: In playground in kdesvn or on Simon's website.
[11:20] <JRee> k
[11:21] <sebas> If you want to hack on it - please :)
[11:21] <JRee> sebas: will see if i can do something :)
[11:21] <sebas> JRee: Great!
[11:22] <Riddell> if it was done as part of guidance that would mean you could use python dbus bindings and not care about kde dbus bindings
[11:24] <sebas> Not that the python dbus bindings are really stable, API wise yet.
[11:26] <JRee> is there anyone else than me who has the nasty bug with systemsettings default size ?
[11:26] <JRee> (on 1024*768)
[11:27] <Riddell> JRee: yes
[11:29] <JRee> Riddell: ok i'll inspect that
[11:29] <JRee> Riddell: there is the patch for k3b here: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/devel/kubuntu_04_fix_normalize.diff
[11:30] <JRee> Riddell: it enable debian renamed normalize-audio on k3b
[11:30] <sebas> systemsettings is broken here wrt the size, the dialogues aren't shown completely in there.
[11:31] <JRee> sebas: it definitively need a fix ;)