=== haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: ideas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || Make packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages || apt-get install adept kde-guidance || Breezy Preview http://www.kubuntu.org/breezy-preview.php || https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Wed Sep 21 02:52:46 2005 === #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === je4d [n=jeff@demantoid.trinhall.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F4E62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] hi everyone [09:46] Riddell: after many tests, I don't suggest you to include wlassistant.... [09:46] it has several bugs in fact.... [09:46] I will report that to the upstream, but when corrected, it will be rocking ;) === Tonio- wonders why network configuration tools are so crapy with ubuntu...... [09:51] <\sh> because yast is much more broken...so better just a handy vi and a conf file ,-=) [09:52] \sh: yep but I mean wlassistant, kdenetworkconf are working fine on other distro...... [09:53] I dunno what is specific on that point on ubuntu..... [09:53] kdenetworkconf has many bugs on ubuntu you will not find on other distros... [09:54] I don't hav problems with conf files of course, but I can't explain how to connect to a wifi network to my girlfriend with the shell ^_^ [10:01] <\sh> Tonio-: depends what you wanna do..if wlan* is using /etc/network/interfaces everything should be fine... === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D38CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] rahhhhhhhhhhh damned acpi......... === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:27] moin' === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-145-179.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] <\sh> chmj: ping [11:16] pong [11:17] \sh: pong === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62D61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] it's right that kdenetworkconf is pretty unstable [02:12] JRe: what's unstable with it? [02:12] i don't when i use it it often mess my /etc/network/interfaces file [02:13] tough it detect well all the interfaces [02:14] i also have a geometry error I can't see the Ok Apply, .. buttons [02:14] even in fullscreen mode [02:14] (1024*768) [02:14] (with system settings) [02:15] (well that's more a systemsettings bug because it does not do it with kcontrol) [02:17] and there is also the bug with kdesu [02:18] hmh [02:18] Riddell: BTW i have packaged libvisual to have the visualization enabled in amarok [02:18] JRe: oh good :) [02:18] K3B ignores the settings in /etc/default/cdrecord. [02:18] wellwellwell [02:18] and it tries to use the wrong device to burn for me. [02:18] Tm_T: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources [02:19] Tm_T: (or directly http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/breezy64 if you have an amd64) [02:19] JRe: I compiled from sources ;) [02:19] :) [02:20] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386 [02:20] Tm_T: it's pretty nice and it seems to have good plugins [02:20] JRe: yup [02:20] although I don't really use them :p [02:20] Riddell: there was a problem in the svg files of adept icons.... [02:20] Tm_T: but unfortunaly I don't manage to compile libvisual-plugins to have the GForce port :( [02:20] :/ [02:20] btw I can't get my nvidia working [02:21] Riddell: strangely some transparency effects in inkscape are not compatible with ksvg..... [02:21] so I use nv in my Xorg [02:21] Tm_T: there is a strange error with the configure script, it does not detect properly the X11 headers don't know why [02:21] Riddell: I modified them with karbon and they are now okay, may I send them to you by mail ??? [02:22] everyone can take a look to museeq too it's a QT soulseek client [02:22] (packaged in http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources) [02:23] Tonio-: inkscape supporting stuff that ksvg1 doesn't isn't strange [02:24] Tonio-: do they modified ones look any different? [02:24] Tm_T: if you want to try to compile libvisual-plugins go there; http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=106542&package_id=119413&release_id=303738 [02:24] JRe: you can upload to revu [02:24] Riddell: libvisual ? [02:25] JRe: yes [02:25] Riddell: ok [02:26] will this patch be included to kubuntu packages? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109386 [02:27] Tm_T: not for breezy [02:27] k3bsetup does show an empty window only:-( [02:27] Riddell: ok [02:28] anyone else than me has trouble when burning audio cd's as non-root ? [02:28] Riddell: what's situation with kde packages & kubuntu? we'll get em on time? [02:28] I can do it but after the sound is ugly [02:28] Riddell: original ones don't display transparency when set as an icon in klauncher [02:28] or when displayed as a preview with kde 3.4.2 [02:28] let me just a minute to show you..... [02:29] there is also a problem with the normalize-audio package and k3b it should create a simlink in /usr/bin called normalize and pointing to normalize-audio [02:31] Riddell: should i take look to the normalize-audio package ? [02:32] Riddell: (or should i patch the k3b source code) ? [02:33] 2004-06-26: The package and binary names had to be changed due to namespace [02:34] conflicts. The binary normalize was renamed to normalize-audio so that it [02:34] keeps orthogonal with its frontend names (normalize-ogg and normalize-mp3) [02:34] while not using a generic name anymore. [02:34] JRe: patch k3b if it's hard coded to run normalise [02:34] See more information about it here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250390 [02:34] Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept_problem.png [02:34] Riddell: yes changing the program name from normalze to normalzee-audio in k3b source [02:34] The requested URL /temp/adept_problem.png was not found on this server. [02:34] Riddell: here it is, you can open the file finely, but preview has this bug.... [02:35] Riddell: and adding adept in klauncher applet causes the same bug [02:35] Tonio-: what is klauncher applet? [02:35] in english it might be "application launcher" I assume [02:36] where is this applet? [02:36] let me show you.... [02:37] Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png -> look on the right [02:37] Riddell: problem with size and transparency...... [02:37] don't know the english term for this applet [02:38] K3B does not burn CDs in my setup. It asks cdrecord to use the wrong device. [02:39] It tries to burn to 1,0,0 (which is the device cdrecord -scanbus thinks it is), thus resulting in cdrecord trying to write to /dev/sg0 which is associated with my HD... Lucky me that I do not have permission to write there:-) [02:39] Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/adept_problem.png -> upload is finished, you can look at the bug in the preview [02:40] It should use /dev/sg1... and it does if I ask cdrecord to use dev=/dev/scd0 [02:40] Riddell: he image is perfect with inkscape, but has this probem..... sounds strange ! [02:41] smurf: I can't... no net on the ubuntu box. [02:41] Tonio-: yu, I found same problem couple months ago [02:41] Riddell: ok i have taken a look in k3b ands it's hardcoded. I'll patch it and send it to you. [02:42] Tm_T: I had to recreate the transparency effects with karbon, and then everything is perfect [02:42] oh [02:42] smurf: The CDRW is scsi1, chan 0, id 0, lun 0 in /scsi (HD is scsi0, chan 0, id 0, lun 0) (both are SATA drives). [02:42] Tm_T: yep, that's why I assume a inkscape bug [02:42] smurf: sg0 is 21,0 (mayor,minor), sg1 is 21,1 [02:42] hunger: smurf is on #ubuntu-devel [02:43] Riddell: Sorry:-) [02:43] Tm_T: that sounds unbeleivable with an xml type document, but that's it..... [02:43] Tonio-: yes, gimp and ksvg & co does show it similar, but inkscape not [02:43] exactly, Riddell may I send you the corrected version built with karbon ? [02:43] Tonio-: ok [02:43] I will certainly post a bug to inkscape for this...... [02:44] Tonio-: I suspect it's a ksvg problem [02:44] Riddell: why then only inkscape show it "correctly" ? [02:44] or even a KDE SVG preview problem [02:45] Tm_T: inkscape doesn't use librsvg [02:45] hmm [02:45] Riddell: when I open the ile with karbon, transparency is lost also............. [02:45] is karbon isung parts of ksvg ? [02:45] karbon uses ksvg1 yes [02:45] Riddell: that's why ;) [02:45] http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept_manager.svgz [02:46] http://www.planetemu.net/temp/adept_updater.svgz [02:46] these ones are correct in both karbon, inkscape, konqueror and everything ;) [02:46] heh [02:50] Tonio-: I can't find that kicker applet, and I don't see why it would be using SVG icons [02:51] Riddell: it is......... when I changed the svg Icon everything whent fine.... [02:53] Tonio-: oh I believe you, I just don't understand why it's doing that :) [02:54] I don't know that [02:55] but I know that those corrected svg's will correct all the problems [02:55] also original svg's had a problem with the default size, corrected today ;) [02:55] Riddell: I'm just doing a last modification on the cd [02:55] (not same double curve on both [02:58] Riddell: with this applet you can set the icon size, so I assume it is using svg because of this.... strange that you don't find it, it is in kde for years ;) [02:59] there's the Quick Launcher applet but that doesn't let you set the icons size [03:00] as far as I can see [03:11] if you right click on the little arrow [03:11] in the menus you have 5 things [03:12] Riddell: add application, remove application, set icon size, keep space, lock [03:12] don't you see this ? [03:13] yes [03:14] that's shocking usability [03:14] so you can set the icon size [03:14] set to 32 and it still doesn't use SVG [03:14] that's NICE to use :) [03:14] ah ????????? strange............ [03:14] Tonio-: you sure you have the PNGs installed? [03:14] I have the package installed ;) [03:15] and yes I have the png's because icons are correct [03:15] Tonio-: the package with the adept icon was only uploaded yesterday [03:15] if I add adept directly to the task bar, no problem [03:15] yep I updated this morning [03:15] and I then saw those problems.... [03:16] and I have the png's installed......... [03:16] Riddell: anyway, do you get the icon for both updater and manager in the K menu ? I don't get it for updater [03:18] err yeah, it's installed to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/adept/updater.png [03:25] Riddell: just send you an email with the two corrected svg files (just did a little correction on the CD) [03:27] Riddell: just tests all resolution and the launcher uses svg in all cases for me.... It's way to work is strange ;) [03:28] I just tested all resolutions <- that's better === \sh is now known as \sh_away === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:30] hi jjesse [04:33] hello Riddell [04:33] did you get my link? [04:34] jjesse: yes thanks [04:34] cool no problem === Riddell adds docs SVN to KubuntuFiles [04:46] just saw it === aeig [n=carl@80-218-120-150.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === StR [n=str@200.6.238.57] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:48] Hi all! [04:48] I finaly saw the usplash! [04:49] if anyone wants to sort out the colour palette in usplash that would be great [04:50] Riddell: yes... well, I don't know if we should stay with usplash or change to splashy [04:50] (we as in we-kubuntu) [04:50] we'll use usplash [04:50] lol.... [04:51] Riddell: concerning the coulour palette in usplash, would you like something more visible ? [04:51] ok, i see you are not changing your mind [04:51] something more blue, to stay with kde colors [04:51] Tonio-: the colours should be brighter, currently the bottom half of the text is invisible on a dark monitor [04:51] yep [04:51] I can have a look if you want no pb [04:52] Tonio-: but more importantly the colours needs to be in the correct order for the "ok"s and scrolar to show up [04:52] "ok"s and scrollbar [04:52] Riddell: is there a file containing the color sheme ? [04:52] where is my typing today? [04:52] same for me, my keyboard is about to die..... [04:52] #define BACKGROUND_COLOUR 0 [04:52] #define PROGRESSBAR_COLOUR 1 [04:52] #define TEXT_BACKGROUND 0 [04:52] #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2 [04:52] #define RED 13 [04:53] so 0 should be black, 1 something much brighter, RED is the failed noticed which are fine as they are, TEXT BACKGROUND is probably "ok" which needs to be brighter [04:53] so swap around the colours in the palette for that [04:53] okay [04:54] where is the actual file ? [04:54] StR: I don't know the technical advantages of usplash over splashy but that's what ubuntu has so that's what kubuntu will use [04:54] Tonio-: in kubuntu-default-settings [04:54] source package [04:54] Riddell: okay I'll take it [04:54] and kubuntu-artwork-usplash binary has the .so [04:54] have a look and prepare something for you toonigh [04:55] Tonio-: cool [04:55] Riddell: no pb ;) [04:55] jjesse: there's a bunch of stuff needs done on these release notes [04:55] Riddell: did you get my mail with the final svg files ? [04:55] Riddell: i would love to change them [04:55] Tonio-: yes, SVG files are in SVN [04:55] Riddell: k [04:55] jjesse: you're just waiting for me to tell you what needs changed? [04:57] i guess i don't really now everything that needs to be changed, i took a lot of it from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap [04:58] is there a better place to look? [04:58] and there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes [04:58] jjesse: not everything in kubuntu roadmap got done [04:59] i guess what i'm looking for is where can i pull the best information from? [04:59] jjesse: asking me probably [05:01] Riddell: can you let me know then what needs to be changed and i'll put it together [05:01] kde-system-settings should be KDE System Settings [05:01] ok [05:01] KISDN never seems to have been uploaded, I'll try and fix that but it won't get into main [05:01] qt parted isn't in main [05:02] metabar and kompose likewise [05:02] Kubuntu Device Database never got made [05:02] and guidance isn't in main [05:02] Krita is in [05:03] openoffice 2 with KDE themeing [05:03] kaffeine and amarok use gstreamer [05:03] ok making notes and working on changes [05:04] klaptopdaemon works for hibernate with acpi [05:04] locate:/ can search for files in konqueror [05:04] google bar in konqueror has google suggest [05:04] graphical boot process w/ usplash? [05:05] automounting happens so when you insert a CD or memory stick it pops up in konqueror [05:05] jjesse: yes, usplash goodness [05:05] x.org 6.8.2 w/ wider hardware support [05:05] yes [05:05] taking some things from breezy release notes [05:05] language selector? [05:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes [05:06] no language selector but we do at least ship with KDE language packs [05:06] Riddell: damn !!! it means that making one test includes modifying, compiling, installing and rebooting ??? ^_^ [05:06] that may take a while !! [05:06] Tonio-: you can run usplash on the command line, but I'm not sure how you quit it once it's running [05:06] from the on the server section in the release notes is that accurate (wiki page) [05:07] Riddell: ah ? good ;) [05:07] jjesse: yes, that's all the same [05:07] same w/ hardware support improvements [05:07] jjesse: yes [05:07] Riddell: maybe I can try to use the blue colors of the dafault kdmtheme no ?? [05:07] Tonio-: that's why I think we should use splashy! [05:08] jjesse: adept-updater too for keeping your system up to date [05:08] StR: I don't now the technical advantages of usplash, but I must say that graphically, I really prefer splashy too ;) [05:08] jjesse: amarok 1.3.1 (just because everyone seems to like am [05:08] amarok) [05:08] ok [05:09] Riddell: are applications now linkined into the launchpad infrastructure [05:09] jjesse: koffice 1.4 in main featuring kexi (but not on CD) [05:09] Riddell: any link explaining the technical advantages of usplash over splashy, please ???? [05:09] Tonio-: no idea [05:09] ask sladen, mjg59 or jbailey [05:10] We should ask the #ubuntu-devel people [05:10] Tonio-: KDE 3.4.2 of course [05:10] but /me is still thinking in apt-get remove --purge usplash ; apt-get install splashy [05:11] I must say that the choice of usplash astonished me..... eye candy speaking, splashy is really much better === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] Riddell: i'll make the changes mentioned and upload it (hopefully tonight) [05:13] Tonio-: what's better about splashy? [05:16] the graphical look (to me of course) [05:16] Tonio-: more colours? better resolution? or just a nicer image? [05:16] according to me, better resolution, more colord and nicer image ;) [05:17] maybe that can be done using usplash and that just depends on the way it is configured..... [05:17] I think the trouble is that a lot of PCs can't do more than 16 colour at 640x480 that early in boot === \sh_away is now known as \sh [05:18] did you saw a recent version of Suse booting Riddell ? [05:18] it is really nice, and I've run it on a very old machine with no problem [05:18] I don't know what they are using, is it a component of yast ? certainly..... [05:19] they use bootsplash [05:19] which has nothing to do with yast [05:19] okay [05:19] ubuntu didn't like bootsplash because it's in kernel space [05:19] I don't know anything other than that really [05:19] Riddell: splashy is very simple to configure, it is a simple XML and a JPG, [05:20] okay thanks for the info ;) [05:20] all I know is that the result is a pleasure for the eyes ! [05:20] Riddell: may I change the png file or only the color sheme ? [05:21] Tonio-: what do you want to change about it? [05:21] hum well I would like to test with the kdm theme image reduced to 640x480 [05:22] just to test.... [05:22] that would be blue and not mainly black of course [05:22] and so very different from ubuntu..... that's why I'm asking [05:23] nah, it needs to be a kubuntu equivalent of the ubuntu image [05:23] Riddell: okay, that's what i wanted to know ;) [05:24] StR: according to what i can see usplash can be configured the same way.... [05:26] StR: simply I think that the different is simply that image, Ubuntu didn't choose a very colored image (most black in fact..........), but well, it's their distro ;) [05:26] Tonio-: but you need to recomple usplash to make the changes? [05:28] the new system settings tool doesnt work well with activated double-click in kde [05:29] StR: apparently yes [05:29] aeig: what problem are you experiencing ? [05:29] I have double click activated and don't any problem systemsettings [05:29] +with [05:30] after a doubleclick, the show all button isnt usable [05:30] let me check [05:30] works for me............ [05:32] have you double-click to open files activated? [05:32] yep, I can't stand working with simple click (as an old windows user....) [05:33] in systemsettings, I can't double click (it is simple click based even in my case), but I don't have any problem [05:33] stupid, really stupid question, but when do you try to click on "showw all" [05:34] in a configuration tool ? or simply in the main windows (with all options available ?) [05:35] aeig: I know it sound a stupid question, but I try to understand when and how the button is blocked... [05:35] after a double click on appearance, a ahow all doenst bring me back [05:36] on appearance especially let me test ;) [05:37] na, no pb for me, I can go back using "show all" button.... strange....... [05:37] :-) [05:37] the only problem between you and me is that I have double click activated for kde [05:38] but in my case systemsettings works with simple click [05:38] I don't have to double click to go in appearance, 1 click is enough...... though I have double click for kde [05:38] i also have doube click activated for kde [05:38] aeig: do you have to doule click to go in "appearance" ? [05:38] now 1 click is enough [05:39] sorry no [05:39] 1 click is enough [05:40] okay, so I don't meet any problem...... sorrybut I can't help you on that point ;) [05:40] ok np [05:43] i have the problem if i make a very fast double click :-) [05:45] let me try ;) [05:46] aeig: you should be very, very fast because I'm clicking as fast as I can and no pb ^^ [05:46] :-) [05:46] Tonio-: try it on Display [05:46] then click Back [05:47] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/16434 [05:51] Riddell: it works...... [05:52] breaks for me [05:52] me to [05:52] Ican't reproduce [05:52] I can double click, resize, fit to screen, go back and fit to screen again..... [05:54] I can see the bug on the screenshot, indeed.... I saw that once I remember, yes. But I can't reproduce it..... [05:55] Riddell: okay I have been to do it, but the double click has to be very, very fast ;) [05:55] aeig: good news, it breaks for me too, but Ireally have to want it due to the speed needed [05:57] Tonio: its for me a normal speed double click [05:59] Tonio: isnt it possible to activate the double click in the system settings tool if it is activated in kde [06:00] aeig: I must conclude I am a slow guy ^_^ [06:02] Tonio: ok seems not to be a problem for the most users [06:03] aeig: so I must conclude you are a fast guy :) [06:03] Tonio: :-) [06:03] also I'm working on a laptop so my double click speed is certainly limited by this [06:05] Tonio: you should test it with a usb mouse [06:06] aeig: I will on my desktop computer toonigh [06:07] ok === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:11] Riddell: I download the kubuntu-default-settings as you said, but I am not able to find where the colors are defined....... [06:11] Tonio-: in the .png file [06:13] ah it take the colors directly from the png ? okay, I was searching a text based file ;) [06:14] the PNG file will have a palette and the colours in it need swapping around so they match the numbers I mentioned before [06:15] yes okay I can understand now ;) === Tonio- just discovered that krita doesn't seem to be able to perform palette based PNG files...... only RVB / Alpha [06:29] back to GIMP..... === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:04] Tonio-: wlassistant: No bugreports of you in sf bug tracker. No time yet? [09:05] absolutly :) [09:06] I assume I will perform that tomorrow, it is on my todo list but I have a 80 pages doc to read..... I have to prepare a Xen virtualized server tomorrow :-( [09:06] 'k. Did you notice that 'link quality' not updated on scan? [09:06] Tonio-: oh, good luck [09:07] yep I saw that, as well as when you disconnect you cannot reconnect and have to perform a "dhclient" then the connection loads correctly.... [09:07] did you notice that ? [09:07] allee: I know gsx server very well but am not very comfortable with xen actually..... will see ;) [09:08] Tonio-: no. I had no 'internet' connection during my tests so I got kicked of because google could not be pinged [09:08] that's a problem..... wlassistant bugging, kdenetworkconf bugging...... [09:08] not easy to perform connections whithout going in the shell....... [09:08] I read it in the logs [09:09] Tonio-: yes network setup needs still much work [09:09] yep, I will post a bug report tomorrow evening, but tonight, no time for this ;) [09:09] 'k. Happy reading [09:09] I hope Guidance will perform a network conf tool ;) [09:09] that would be great ;) [09:09] Tonio-: just poke sebas lots [09:10] I have to learn python this year, work my job, wo maybe I will try to do it in the next month, that may not be that hard..... [09:11] Riddell: kdenetworkconfig shares backend with gnome. Maybe it's more efficient to fix kdenetworkconf [09:11] allee: that's my thinking too [09:11] allee: talking about the xml files used to store parameters ? [09:12] I have a friend of mine who is a very good C++ coder.... if you send me a complete bug list, maybe he can have a look... [09:13] Tonio-: for wlassistant? [09:13] for kdenetworkconf :) [09:14] if kdenetworkconf is patched to work correctly, wlassistant will be technically unnecessary [09:14] but kubuntu needs one working networkconf tool [09:16] does gnome-system-tools/knetworkconf have and wireless stuff in it? [09:16] ah, time to look into kdenetworkconf again. Is this a 'breezy goal'? [09:16] kdenetworkconf has [09:17] I don't know if that is using gnome-system-tools...... [09:17] it uses the same backend [09:18] I know but is the wireless stuff of kdenetworkconf using that backend too, I don't have any idea [09:18] I imagine so [09:18] so do I :) [09:19] okay let's go with usplash, and then read that xen doc ! === JRee [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] Riddell: concerning the patch for default route when in static IP I haven't been able to find the sources unfortunatly, only the binary package....... [09:22] I just know that aslinux has patched it..... [09:23] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39098 -> as been discussed here [09:23] let's search again ;) [09:30] damn their repo doesn't have source.... === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:13] Tonio-: Actually I'm waiting for someone to pick up network-manager and code a KDE frontend (I heard rumors that someone is working on it). [11:17] sebas: knetworkconf [11:18] Riddell: Is that a frontend to networkmanager? [11:18] no, to gnome-system-tools [11:18] which one is networkmanager? [11:18] That gnome applet is network-manager [11:18] fab blogged about it some days ago. [11:19] right, don't think anyone is working on that [11:19] needs dbus bindings didn't clee say? [11:19] Yep. [11:19] It gets notified of cable unplugging and that sort of stuff via dbus. [11:19] sebas: hum interessting :) [11:20] sebas: where are the source of guidance ? [11:20] What do the profiles do in knetworkconf? [11:20] JRee: In playground in kdesvn or on Simon's website. [11:20] k [11:21] If you want to hack on it - please :) [11:21] sebas: will see if i can do something :) [11:21] JRee: Great! [11:22]