[12:15] <jmg> hey guys i am having probs with klaptop
[01:21] <MikeStyle> propagandhi...need you help
[01:21] <propagandhi> yeah
[01:21] <MikeStyle> well
[01:21] <MikeStyle> i finished upgrading and unpacking everything
[01:22] <MikeStyle>  restarted and it said it started kdm, but i had to log in under terminal and there was no display manager
[01:23] <satafterh> I have a question, i install breezy bata, if i just keep updating it as updates are available will i need to install the final release when it comes out or will the updates give me the same thing??
[01:23] <mhz> Please, could someone tell me what i am doing wrong in a try to install kubuntu via local netboot??
[01:24] <Riddell> mhz: kubuntu doesn't have netboot
[01:24] <mhz> Riddell: hey
[01:25] <mhz> but inside /ubuntu/install/netboot....?
[01:25] <Hydrogen> wtf is a 'local netboot' :)
[01:25] <mhz> Hydrogen: PXE
[01:26] <mhz> Riddell: at this point, what I am trying to do is boot via PXE, get IP (i get it), install from local server
[01:26] <satafterh> I have a question, i install breezy bata, if i just keep updating it as updates are available will i need to install the final release when it comes out or will the updates give me the same thing??
[01:27] <mhz> satafterh: reformulate the question, please
[01:28] <Riddell> satafterh: it'll be the same thing
[01:28] <satafterh> will install the beta and installing updates as they come out give me the same out come as installing the final version when it is released
[01:29] <satafterh> thank you riddell
[01:29] <mhz> satafterh: if ubuntu devel maintenainers keep up, yes
[01:29] <StR> Hi again!
[01:35] <StR> is kopete still broken in breezy?
[01:36] <propagandhi> StR: it isnt broken for me
[01:37] <MikeStyle> propagandhi, it told me -Bash: Command "startx" was not found
[01:38] <StR> propagandhi: in breezy? ahhh sorry.. in breezy + kde3.5?
[01:38] <propagandhi> yes
[01:38] <MikeStyle> ...?
[01:39] <MikeStyle> patrick, do you know whats wrong with my ubuntu?
[01:39] <StR> propagandhi: well.. MSN does not work for me in kopete
[01:39] <MikeStyle> it welcomes me to breezy but there is no display manager
[01:39] <propagandhi> StR: it works perfectly for me
[01:40] <jmg> guys can anyone help me out
[01:40] <propagandhi> and i'm on beta 3.5 also
[01:40] <StR> propagandhi: and what version is your kopete?
[01:40] <jmg> my laptop shuts down after restoring from suspend
[01:40] <propagandhi> 0.10.3
[01:40] <jmg> with klaptop
[01:40] <StR> propagandhi: weird...
[01:41] <lorenzo> hi
[01:42] <propagandhi> StR: it was working for you previously?
[01:44] <StR> propagandhi: before changing to 3.5+breezy, yes
[01:46] <propagandhi> StR: hmm, thats strange - have u checked the bugs to see if anyone else is having that problem?
[01:47] <StR> propagandhi: nope... this is my first question about it...
[01:47] <propagandhi> so u dont get any errors as such
[01:49] <StR> propagandhi: 2 seconds after I connect to my MSN account, I get disconnected
[01:49] <gstrock> Here's a funny. A co-worker wanted to try Linux so I gave her the Kubuntu 5.10 liveCD and told her to have at it.  A little while later she came back and asked if I had different Linux disk because she didn't like the name Ubuntu. :-)
[01:52] <propagandhi> StR: lodge a bug report
[01:53] <_chavo> gstrock, that's not funny, it's disturbing
[01:53] <propagandhi> gstrock: must be a blonde?
[01:53] <StR> propagandhi: thanks
[01:53] <gstrock> ha ha, no not a blonde
[01:53] <propagandhi> StR: no need to thank me i did nothing
[01:55] <gstrock> She was installing on a laptop too, and in my mind Ubuntu is the best for that. I'd be hard pressed to come up with an alternative.
[01:56] <troy> moin
[01:59] <StR> AHH!H!  I want to see uspash
[01:59] <StR> anyone alredy with usplash?
[02:11] <MikeStyle> there is a problem patrick
[02:11] <troy> I have usplash, but it's still the ubuntu artwork
[02:25] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[02:26] <blackflag> I have a question about grub
[02:26] <blackflag> On the system are 3 OS'es
[02:26] <blackflag> M$, Kubuntuand the new One I installed is suse
[02:27] <blackflag> I have no entry in grub
[02:27] <blackflag> Is there a way that grub reads the OSES automatic
[02:27] <blackflag> Or is it a must to edit the menu.lst by hasnd?
[02:28] <propagandhi> blackflag: does Suse's yast bootloader utility detect the OS's
[02:28] <blackflag> yes It do
[02:28] <blackflag> but i have a grub from the kubuntu installation
[02:29] <blackflag> and want to use the kubuntu grub
[02:29] <blackflag> Or should overwrite with suse grub
[02:30] <blackflag> ?
[02:30] <blackflag> There should be an easy way to update the boot menu
[02:31] <blackflag> but cant find it
[02:31] <blackflag> update-grub dont find the new suse
[02:31] <blackflag> so what should I do now?
[02:34] <_chavo> blackflag, copy the menu.lst from your suse /boot
[02:39] <blackflag> okay thanks for help
[02:40] <MikeStyle> hey patrick
[02:40] <MikeStyle> im using terminal irc
[02:40] <MikeStyle> the dpkg thing you told me to do didnt work
[02:41] <MikeStyle> you there?
[02:43] <aldenwlinn> hello im l,ost
[02:43] <aldenwlinn> ya one there
[02:51] <delltony> hi anyone here use qtparted?
[02:53] <Foodcoman> Evening!
[02:55] <MrShifty|lappy> nalioth: what all did you have to do to get your ma111 working?
[02:55] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: you have returned
[02:55] <nalioth> to plague me
[02:55] <nalioth> lol
[02:55] <nalioth> hang on
[02:56] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: you'll need this package  "linux-wlan-ng"
[02:57] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable
[02:57] <dell500> i'm using apache for a picture server (gallery), what port do i forward in my router to use my ip as the host?
[02:57] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=blah
[02:57] <nalioth> authtype=opensystem
[02:58] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: then dhclient or whatever
[02:58] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: are you here?
[03:02] <delltony> dang is screwed up and made my / unactive with qtparted is there a way to make it active again
[03:04] <MrShifty|lappy> Nakkel: yeah, I'm here
[03:17] <_michael> nalioth: I'm back
[03:17] <nalioth> _michael: wb
[03:17] <_michael> can you repost those instructions?
[03:17] <_michael> *this time I'll save them >.<
[03:19] <Mr_Shifty> blasted network...
[03:22] <nalioth> Mr_Shifty: i didnt recognize you
[03:23] <Mr_Shifty> honest mistake ;)
[03:31] <nalioth> Mr_Shifty: you still here?
[03:33] <nalioth> MrShifty|lappy: do i have to send it again?
[03:33] <MrShifty|lappy> yeah >.<
[03:33] <MrShifty|lappy> sorry
[03:33] <MrShifty|lappy> this thing is exceptionally sensitive to vibration, aparently
[03:33] <MrShifty|lappy> *apparently
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[03:34] <nalioth> copy and paste
[03:34] <nalioth> save save save
[03:35] <MrShifty|lappy> I did
[03:36] <MrShifty|lappy> ok, let's see....
[03:37] <jmg> guys i am having probs with my laptop shutting down straight after it wakes up from suspend
[03:39] <MrShifty|lappy> jmg, what kind of laptop do you have>
[03:39] <MrShifty|lappy> ?
[06:31] (crimsun/#kubuntu) kkathman: nothing to be skittish about, though I'd say it'd probably be better to wait til the 13th to dist-upgrade. We're seeing a lot of churn for this late in the game.
[06:32] (sirukin/#kubuntu) jedimark, read the guide.
[06:32] <kkathman> good feedback crimsun  thanks very much for your input
[06:32] <sirukin> I think you get xine/dvdcss stuff off mariliat
[06:32] <sirukin> I think you get xine/dvdcss stuff off marilliat
[06:32] <sirukin> err
[06:32] <crimsun> xine's in main
[06:32] <kkathman> crimsun: I have a very stable hoary + KDE and have it just like I like it
[06:32] <sirukin> I meant the codecs.
[06:33] <crimsun> xvid/etc.? Yeah.
[06:33] <sirukin> always.
[06:33] <kkathman> I didnt do the kubuntu thing, I installed hoary clean, then installed the apt-get kubuntu-desktop I think 
[06:33] <kkathman> I know I didnt install kubuntu from the disk
[06:33] <crimsun> naw, xine's an engine not a codec ;)
[06:34] <crimsun> kkathman: perfectly legit
[06:34] <kkathman> crimsun: since theres a lot of churning, I'll wait till the 14th
[06:34] <crimsun> kkathman: well, you won't have to wait past the release date, since we freeze then
[06:35] <sirukin> crimsun, aye, but I'm like most people and call my mediaplayer whatever I think it plays.
[06:35] <sirukin> :S
[06:35] <crimsun> :)
[06:35] <jedimark> Just want to see one binary distro that doesn't force me to runaround to get dvd's I own to play. :-(
[06:36] <kkathman> crimsun: good deal... so you think all I'll have to do is the basic update/upgrade then?
[06:36] <jedimark> my gentoo always do what I want  8-)
[06:37] <crimsun> kkathman: update/dist-upgrade, yep
[06:37] <sirukin> crimsun, mail your complaint to the mpaa.
[06:37] <sirukin> not the developers who try to obey silly ip law.
[06:38] <kkathman> crimsun: of course I'll need to change my apt repositories first :)
[06:38] <crimsun> sirukin: heh, I've done enough time for my riaa "violation"
[06:38] <sirukin> hehe
[06:38] <sirukin> that's too bad.
[06:39] <crimsun> at least I had a legal team at uni who stood up for me, since I was guilty of nothing
[06:39] <sirukin> I don't download music, I record myself farting and mail it to record companies in retribution.
[06:39] <sirukin> "sign me!"
[06:40] <sirukin> sadly, I don't think they will.
[06:42] <sirukin> hmm
[06:49] <Foodcoman> quit
[06:49] <Foodcoman> The slash helps.   Sorry.
[06:50] <kkathman> hey crimsun I just read that they would like for us to do a install on ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop post upgrade...why is that .. if we have KDE?
[06:51] <crimsun> that's for GNOME
[06:51] <crimsun> that's more for upgrade continuity
[06:53] <sirukin> question: if I've made a mistake with a first command, how do I repeat that command without having to reenter everything over again?
[06:54] <crimsun> come again?
[06:54] <crimsun> $ ls -l /oops/wrong/dir
[06:54] <crimsun> press up (shell history)
[06:54] <sirukin> not what I mean.
[06:54] <sirukin> without having to "home key" back to the beggining.
[06:55] <sirukin> example:
[06:55] <sirukin> car /etc/resolve.conf
[06:55] <sirukin> cat<something> <rest of text>
[06:55] <sirukin> ca<something> i mean
[06:55] <sirukin> err
[06:55] <sirukin> you know what I mean
[06:56] <crimsun> I use vi keys, so it's different
[06:57] <crimsun> [esc] k0llrt[enter]    is one way
[06:57] <sirukin> mmm
[06:57] <sirukin> with bash I mean
[06:57] <crimsun> yep, with bash
[06:57] <crimsun> set -o vi
[06:57] <sirukin> mmm
[06:58] <sirukin> well, there's an easier way, I forgot how.
[06:58] <sirukin> that's what I get for not using the console in months
[06:58] <crimsun> ctrl+r is bash's reverse search
[06:58] <crimsun> is that what you're looking for?
[06:59] <sirukin> no
[06:59] <gshockx> cant play mp3 pls help
[07:00] <crimsun> gshockx: are you using amarok?
[07:00] <gshockx> yes sir
[07:00] <gshockx> what should i do sir?
[07:00] <sirukin> gstreamer.
[07:01] <sirukin> apt-get install gstreamer
[07:01] <sirukin> I think
[07:01] <sirukin> it's what I did
[07:01] <gshockx> thanks ill try it
[07:01] <crimsun> you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:01] <sirukin> aye
[07:02] <gshockx> where can i download it?
[07:03] <gshockx> pls help
[07:03] <sirukin> umm
[07:04] <gshockx> emm
[07:04] <gshockx> ehem
[07:04] <sirukin> add the appropriate repository?
[07:04] <sirukin> I think it may be in restricted
[07:04] <sirukin> or somethin
[07:04] <sirukin> the "guide" will help too
[07:06] <gshockx> HEM
[07:06] <gshockx> AHEM
[07:07] <gshockx> any PINOY in here????????
[07:08] <gshockx> Pinoy ako pinoy tayo ipakita sa mundo kung ano ang kaya mo
[07:18] <gshockx> help me pls
[07:18] <gshockx> where can i download a gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:20] <BlankB> gshockx: it is in the universe repo.
[07:23] <sirukin> tsk.
[07:59] <epiloc> gtkpod cant connect to my ipod.  I changed the default mount path to media:/sda2 (where my machine picks up the ipod) but gtkpod still doesnt connect... any ipod users here running gtkpod successfully?
[08:11] <liteinside06> hi
[08:11] <BlankB> hello.
[08:12] <liteinside06> ur name
[08:13] <liteinside06> hi
[08:14] <Hobbsee> hello
[08:15] <liteinside06> hi
[08:16] <liteinside06> whr r u?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> australia
[08:16] <liteinside06> nice
[08:16] <liteinside06> workng or stud?
[08:17] <Hobbsee> some of both
[08:18] <liteinside06> ah ok
[08:18] <liteinside06> hi
[08:20] <liteinside06> hello
[08:20] <liteinside06> hi
[08:20] <liteinside06> hi
[08:20] <liteinside06> hi
[08:20] <epiloc> can anyone help me with gtkpod?
[08:21] <liteinside06> wat gtkpod?
[08:28] <gshockx> where is universe repo BlankB\
[08:29] <BlankB> !repositories
[08:29] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[09:02] <gshockx> hey blank
[09:03] <BlankB> yeah?
[09:03] <gshockx> i cannot find my system configure at the top of my desktop
[09:03] <gshockx> where can i find it?
[09:04] <BlankB> I think that is for ubuntu.
[09:04] <crimsun> yes, GNOME uses Applications, Places, System
[09:04] <gshockx> so how can i add repo
[09:04] <crimsun> it's different to KDE
[09:05] <konsolebox> helo.. do u know how to add a glx theme on kde?
[09:06] <gshockx> hey blank how can i add repo?
[09:06] <BlankB> gshockx: I always just edit my /etc/apt/sources.list by hand. Something like: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list 
[09:06] <BlankB> dont do that last thing unless you know vi.
[09:08] <BlankB> this may work easier: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:10] <BlankB> use the repos from: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:10] <gshockx> ill try
[09:11] <gshockx> i will download it?
[09:11] <BlankB> if you copy and paste from the pastebin use the version in the textbox without the line #'s
[09:12] <BlankB> if you dl it then all you will have to do is: sudo mv filename.txt /etc/apt/sources.list 
[09:12] <BlankB> filename.txt = whatever you d/l the file as.
[09:15] <gshockx> what is dl????
[09:15] <crimsun> download
[09:15] <BlankB> slang for download.
[09:15] <gshockx> ok doki
[09:17] <gshockx> now i "dl" it what will i gonna do next?
[09:17] <BlankB> cd /to/wherever/you/dl/it
[09:17] <BlankB> then sudo mv filename.txt /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <gshockx> what u mean CD
[09:18] <BlankB> hmm...perhaps you shouldnt try this.
[09:18] <BlankB> cd is how you change directories.
[09:19] <gshockx> ok
[09:20] <gshockx> how can i "cd" where will i go?
[09:20] <BlankB> Hmm... that is a pretty involved question.
[09:20] <gshockx> just like i said im only a newbie
[09:21] <BlankB> its ok. perhaps you should do the copy paste thing.
[09:21] <gshockx> ok what will i copy?
[09:21] <BlankB> where did you d/l the file to?
[09:21] <gshockx>  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[09:22] <BlankB> this may work easier: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:22] <BlankB> that should open up what you have there now.
[09:22] <gshockx> where can i find this kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:23] <BlankB> ahh... you will need a console open.
[09:23] <gshockx> where can i find the console
[09:23] <BlankB> do: K->System->Terminal Program (Konsole)
[09:24] <gshockx> i cannot see the Terminal Program (Konsole)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> gshockx: why dont you go K->run then type in Konsole
[09:25] <Hobbsee> that should work
[09:26] <gshockx> ok
[09:26] <gshockx> that work
[09:26] <gshockx> what should i do
[09:26] <Hobbsee> then follow what blankb said earlier
[09:26] <BlankB> now do: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:27] <gshockx> what is the pass?
[09:27] <BlankB> that is your login password.
[09:29] <gshockx> its said command kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list is not found
[09:29] <gshockx> what will i do?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> try kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:30] <Hobbsee> then
[09:30] <BlankB> then can you copy and paste the last couple of lines in the Konsole to: http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[09:34] <BlankB> I am not familiar with the error you have. What version of kubuntu do you have?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> gshockx: try sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list - does it make any difference?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> odd error message that
[09:38] <gshockx> 5.10
[09:38] <BlankB> ahh...I see it now...you dont have a space after kwrite and /etc
[09:39] <gshockx> so what will i type blanck
[09:39] <BlankB> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:39] <BlankB> there is a space after kdesu and kwrite
[09:40] <gshockx> now what will i do
[09:40] <gshockx> it appears nothing
[09:40] <gshockx> oh
[09:40] <gshockx> it appears
[09:40] <gshockx> what will i do
[09:41] <BlankB> is there a line in there that has the word universe in it?
[09:41] <BlankB> you can copy and paste it to http://blankb.pastebin.com/
[09:42] <gshockx> i send it
[09:43] <BlankB> see where it says: ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' repository
[09:43] <gshockx> yah
[09:44] <BlankB> go to the lines that start with # deb just below there and remove eht "# "
[09:44] <BlankB> remove the "# "
[09:44] <BlankB> so the line should now start with deb
[09:45] <lippel> after dist-upgrade to breezy, i had problems with alsa: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VdtTVv33.html
[09:46] <lippel> i heard no sound, and had to disable "jack sense" in kmix first...
[09:46] <gshockx> i will remove the # 
[09:46] <lippel> anyone else knows that problem?
[09:46] <BlankB> gshockx: the # and the space
[09:46] <gshockx> ok
[09:46] <gshockx> what will i do next
[09:46] <lippel> after disabling this mysterious "jack sense" it worked again
[09:46] <BlankB> save then exit
[09:46] <gshockx> then
[09:47] <BlankB> sudo apt-get update
[09:47] <nikkia> lippel, i've seen problems with jack-sense under windows too, if it helps
[09:47] <gshockx> ill type it?
[09:47] <gshockx> ill type it?
[09:47] <lippel> nikkia: do you have any idea what it is good for?
[09:47] <BlankB> gshockx: yes.
[09:47] <lippel> nikkia: i hope i don't have to disable it after every reboot...
[09:48] <gshockx> where?
[09:48] <BlankB> in the Konsole.
[09:48] <gshockx> in konsole
[09:48] <gshockx> ok
[09:48] <nikkia> lippel, well, in theory, its a great idea, the idea is, you plug a pair of speakers into the 'rear/line' socket, and it detects that its got speakers and assigns them to rear, you unplug them, plug in a sound source, and it detects that, and assigns the socket to be a line-in
[09:48] <gshockx> what is the password
[09:48] <nikkia> lippel, the problem is, it has to do that by detecting impedance of the connected socket, which doesn't always work
[09:48] <gshockx> my loggin pass?
[09:48] <nikkia> gshockx: your user password
[09:48] <BlankB> gshockx: same as before.
[09:49] <lippel> nikkia: ah, ok. well, that is not of much use for my notebook speakers =)
[09:50] <nikkia> lippel, you can probably set alsa to ignore it, btw, dunno where tho
[09:50] <BlankB> Is there a separate wiki for kubuntu? The instructions in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto are for ubuntu.
[09:51] <nikkia> lippel, probably some parameter to the module for your sound chip, in /etc/modutils.d/alsa-base
[09:54] <lippel> nikkia: hmm, i wonder where alsactl stores its config...
[09:55] <nikkia> lippel, /var/lib/alsa/asound.state  but you'd know that if you did man alsactl :)
[09:58] <lippel> nikkia: ah, i renamed "External amplifier" to "headphone jack sense" and get rid of the warning now
[10:00] <Hobbsee> BlankB: as far as i can see, kynaptic wont let you add more repositories - synaptic is definetly better
[10:01] <gshockx> hey blank
[10:01] <gshockx> what will i do next
[10:02] <BlankB> yes it is.
[10:02] <gshockx> what will i do next
[10:02] <BlankB> after apt-get update then install the package you were trying to get.
[10:03] <gshockx> where is it?
[10:03] <BlankB> where is what?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> BlankB: and if it wont let you add repositories, it's unlikely to have a tutorial for it
[10:03] <TokenBad> does firefox come with kubuntu?
[10:03] <gshockx> where will i install it
[10:03] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: no, but you can install it easily :)
[10:03] <gshockx> where is the package?
[10:03] <BlankB> what package?
[10:04] <TokenBad> Hobbsee, that is what I thought
[10:04] <gshockx> package to install
[10:04] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: that's one of the first things I install, that and synaptic
[10:05] <BlankB> gshockx: I think we are saying two different things. What was the root cause of why you wanted to change your repositories. What were you trying to get working?
[10:05] <TokenBad> I assume apt-get is what used to install firefox?
[10:05] <crimsun> you can use K*naptic
[10:06] <Hobbsee> either
[10:06] <gshockx> Blank
[10:06] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox 
[10:06] <Hobbsee> works really well though
[10:06] <gshockx> i cant see where the package i downloaded went
[10:07] <gshockx> the one i got from the console
[10:07] <Hobbsee> which package did  you download from console?
[10:07] <gshockx> ~$ sudo apt-get update
[10:07] <Hobbsee> then run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[10:08] <BlankB> wait on that.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> oh?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> you're suggesting not updating the entire system?
[10:08] <BlankB> gshockx: I cant remember why you wanted to enable universe? what program were you installing?
[10:08] <gshockx> the mp3
[10:08] <gshockx> wont work
[10:09] <Hobbsee> w32codecs needed?  that's not in repositories anywya...
[10:09] <gshockx> gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:10] <Hobbsee> that is in the repositories, the gstreamer0.8-mad, i think
[10:10] <gshockx> nice
[10:10] <gshockx> BlankB what would I do next?
[10:10] <BlankB> I dont know that that does mp3 though. lemmme check.
[10:11] <BlankB> oh ok..it looks like it does.
[10:11] <gshockx> ~$ sudo apt-get update ----> Done
[10:11] <BlankB> so: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:11] <gshockx> thats next?
[10:11] <BlankB> that should do it.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> you're not going to get gshockx to do a "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[10:12] <BlankB> ok all... ive started a page on the wiki for adding repositories in kubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:13] <gshockx> I have already finished sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:13] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[10:13] <gshockx> now Im in sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:13] <gshockx> hihihi this is hard but its nice to learn
[10:13] <BlankB> careful with the apt-get upgrade 
[10:14] <cyne> i did apt-get dist-upgrade and now i have abut 6 media players 
[10:14] <cyne> about
[10:14] <BlankB> You may or may not want to upgrade to the stuff in universe.
[10:14] <gshockx> The cursor went back to the root whats next
[10:14] <cyne> what should i do?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> cyne: remove the ones you dont want?
[10:14] <apokryphos> BlankB: "Replace what was there with a current list of repositories" -- not very helpful ;-)
[10:15] <cyne> Hobbsee: good idea :P
[10:15] <BlankB> yeah its a work in progress.
[10:15] <Hobbsee> cyne...well i was wondering what answer you expected there...
[10:15] <gshockx> BlankB
[10:15] <Hobbsee> cyne...hehehe
[10:15] <gshockx> The cursor went back to the root whats next
[10:16] <BlankB> gshockx: when you did : sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad  what did it tell you?
[10:16] <gshockx> it installed gstream0.8-mad
[10:16] <gshockx> then went straight out to the cursor
[10:17] <BlankB> thats good...it is installed.
[10:17] <gshockx> Setting up gstreamer0.8-mad (0.8.11-0ubuntu4) ...
[10:17] <gshockx> whats next?
[10:17] <Hobbsee> a question: with the release candidate that is coming out a few days before the completed breezy, will we get a kubuntu version of that too?
[10:17] <gshockx> hihihi
[10:17] <BlankB> gshockx: what is next? What are you trying to do now?
[10:18] <gshockx> where can i run gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:18] <gshockx> hihihi
[10:19] <gshockx> so i can run my mp3s
[10:19] <gshockx> im excited
[10:19] <Hobbsee> i found i could run my mp3's without any extra plugins
[10:19] <gshockx> BlackB whats next plssss
[10:19] <Hobbsee> not sure why though
[10:20] <BlankB> gshockx: I am not familiar with gstreamer. Let me see what it is.
[10:20] <gshockx> ok i wait for you sir
[10:20] <CellarDoor> hello all, I'm thinking of getting a Hauppauge WinTV-Express PCI TV Tuner for my kubuntu system... just wanting to hear from anyone who might be using it etc... is it ok ? any problems ?
[10:21] <gshockx> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa my mp3 already run 
[10:21] <gshockx> thanks BlankB
[10:21] <BlankB> I guess just run Gstreamer.
[10:21] <gshockx> i run amarok
[10:21] <gshockx> and it played my mp3
[10:22] <BlankB> I use xmms.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> gshockx: yay!
[10:24] <Hobbsee> amarok here - love it, with all the global shortcuts, etc
[10:24] <crimsun> I like its playlist interface
[10:24] <crimsun> last.fm integration is a bonus
[10:27] <Hobbsee> anyone know if there will be a kubuntu version of the release candidate of breezy due at the end of the week?  or is that only ubuntu?
[10:27] <crimsun> more than likely, yes
[10:27] <crimsun> (there will be)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[10:29] <gshockx> BlankB can I ask for another help
[10:30] <gshockx> is there any way I can connect to my yahoo messenger account in kubuntu??
[10:30] <BlankB> yes. use Kopete or gaim.
[10:30] <gshockx> i dont know how
[10:30] <gshockx> i have kopete
[10:31] <gshockx> but idont know how to login
[10:31] <gshockx> there is no login
[10:31] <BlankB> in kopete it is under settings -> configure kopete : New
[10:32] <gshockx> then?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> click on yahoo, stick in your account details
[10:32] <BlankB> then it has a wizard that asks you questions.
[10:33] <konsolebox> excuse.. i run glxgears and it's turning
[10:33] <konsolebox> how will i make it send messages to konsole?
[10:34] <gshockx> waaaaaaaaaa
[10:34] <gshockx> its alright I already get it
[10:35] <gshockx> thanks very much BlankB sir
[10:35] <gshockx> yehy
[10:35] <gshockx> yehey
[10:36] <BlankB> gshockx: once you get more experience you have to come back here and help someone else.
[10:38] <gshockx> i promise
[10:38] <gshockx> it will also help me
[10:38] <gshockx> remember
[10:43] <Hobbsee> gshockx: ubuntu forums are pretty useful too, if you check them out
[10:44] <gshockx> BlankB how about flash supports for web
[10:45] <BlankB> well Im using mozilla so I did: apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla that is after I enabled the multiverse repository.
[10:46] <gshockx> Im using Konversation
[10:46] <BlankB> I mean as my web browser.
[10:47] <gshockx> im using konqueror
[10:47] <BlankB> I am not sure how to do that.
[10:47] <gshockx> waaaa
[10:48] <gshockx> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:48] <gshockx> apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla   <--- even this returns
[10:49] <gshockx> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:49] <Hobbsee> got kynaptic open?
[10:49] <gshockx> Hobbee I dont have kynaptic
[10:50] <BlankB> If you do install flashplayer-mozilla it will want to install a bunch more stuff.
[10:50] <gshockx> My browser is konqueror
[10:50] <Hobbsee> that's different...kynaptic is one of the other things that installs programs
[10:50] <gshockx> waaa
[10:50] <gshockx> hihihi
[10:51] <gshockx> waaa
[10:51] <gshockx> I need a flash player for konqueror
[10:52] <BlankB> Let me show you how to look stuff up. Each time you ask a question I go to google and type something like: kubuntu  flash konqueror
[10:52] <BlankB> I dont know how but my konqueror has flash in it.
[10:53] <BlankB> Perhaps a byproduct of installing it for mozilla.
[10:53] <Hobbsee> quite possible
[10:54] <Hobbsee> i was merely wondering if it did exist - i dont use konqueror much for browsing, due to the lack of adblock
[10:55] <BlankB> It does look like konqueror uses the mozilla plugins. 
[10:56] <BlankB> !krepositories
[10:56] <ubotu> somebody said krepositories was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ah right
[10:56] <BlankB> Now if people will just edit that and make it better we will be in good shape.
[10:56] <Hobbsee> that error looked to be from a konsole window already updating the system, or having kynaptic open
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ah, you taught it that?
[10:57] <BlankB> yep.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> it's much easier to do it via a text file
[10:57] <Hobbsee> ubuntu guide was good for that
[10:57] <Hobbsee> *is good
[10:57] <ingenu> is there a default root password on 4.10 ?
[10:58] <ingenu> just installed it, but I don't remember having entered any root password
[10:58] <Hobbsee> no, you set it yourself
[10:58] <BlankB> I wanted to so somethinng like: cd /etc/apt/ ; sudo wget http://url.to.reps/sources.list
[10:58] <Hobbsee> !root
[10:58] <ubotu> methinks root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:58] <BlankB> !root shell
[10:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, root shell is at You can get a root shell by typing: sudo -s
[10:58] <Hobbsee> that's a good idea
[10:58] <Hobbsee> except that you lose any local mirrors that way
[10:59] <ingenu> once I'm in root shell, how do I set the password ?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> you can use sudo, and dont have to log in as root
[10:59] <BlankB> ingenu: you really dont want to do that.. but if you do the rootsudo one above tells how.  I think.
[10:59] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[10:59] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:00] <ingenu> ok
[11:00] <ingenu> is there any GUI tool for mounting drives ?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ingenu: www.ubuntuguide.org - it's really simple
[11:01] <BlankB> Konqueror can do it for some drives. Give this url to konqueror: media:/
[11:02] <ingenu> didn't have that url
[11:02] <ingenu> would be nice to have open when you boot the first time
[11:02] <BlankB> it is there...
[11:02] <Hobbsee> you might want to go thru it - all the most common stuff is done there, although parts of it are old
[11:03] <BlankB> On the taskbar there is an icon that looks like a computer called system from there it is storage media.
[11:03] <BlankB> did I say taskbar I meant panel. 8)
[11:05] <ingenu> I don't have that panel
[11:06] <ingenu> do you know its name so I can get it ?
[11:06] <ingenu> media:/ doesn't show my NTFS partition
[11:07] <cyne> is Koffice better than openoffice2?
[11:08] <BlankB> !ntfs
[11:10] <BlankB> !ntfs
[11:11] <cyne> ubuntu tell BlankB about ntfs
[11:11] <cyne> ubunto tell BlankB about ntfs
[11:12] <cyne> uboto tell BlankB about ntfs
[11:12] <BlankB> hehe...I coudn't get it to show up in the channel.
[11:12] <BlankB> !ubotu tell cyne about ntfs
[11:12] <ingenu> !ntfs
[11:12] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[11:16] <skaman> Goodmorning!
[11:17] <BlankB> hello.
[11:18] <ingenu> BlankB: how do I get the file to be executable ?
[11:18] <ingenu> tried to make it executable and add .sh
[11:18] <ingenu> but it doesn't likei t
[11:18] <BlankB> chmod +x filename.sh
[11:20] <ingenu> didn't work
[11:20] <BlankB> what didnt work?
[11:20] <ingenu> ended up sudo bash filename.sh
[11:20] <ingenu> dunno marking it executable wasn't enough
[11:21] <ingenu> anyway using  "bash filename.sh" worked
[11:21] <BlankB> sudo filename.sh should have worked if it was +x
[11:22] <BlankB> that is assuming you had renamed the file to filename.sh
[11:24] <ingenu> I did
[11:26] <labkom> nick cetan
[11:27] <labkom> junior_hack
[11:34] <andreas__> I want kde 3.5 beta 
[11:34] <andreas__> how
[11:34] <andreas__> can it coexist with 3.4.2
[11:34] <ingenu> why does Kaffeine refuse to read a MP3 file on a NTFS partition ?
[11:34] <ingenu> (opened a text file on the same partition just fine)
[11:35] <BlankB> cause it is read only?
[11:35] <BlankB> or owned by another user?
[11:36] <BlankB> ingenu: do: ls -al /path/to/file/filename.mp3 who does it say its owned by and what are the permissions?
[11:39] <ingenu> -r--r--r--  2 ingenu ingenu 2187470 2005-10-04 00:00
[11:40] <BlankB> can the same file be read locally. Say if you were to copy it to /tmp/ ?
[11:41] <nikkia> its probably the read-only-ness
[11:41] <nikkia> kaffeine may be trying to open it read-write in case you alter tags
[11:42] <BlankB> you can test if that is the case by copying the file to /tmp and seeing if it works there. If it does its something else. If doing chmod +w to the file fixes it then its the read-only ness.
[11:42] <BlankB> chmod +w to the one in the /tmp
[11:43] <nikkia> gah @ artists
[11:43] <ingenu> k
[11:43] <nikkia> i sent my programmer (me) drawn artwork to him yesterday, saying 'art this up a bit!' and he just sent back my artwork as psd files! :)
[11:44] <ingenu> BlankB: Kaffeine just don't want to read MP3, and xmms fails to acces soundcard
[11:44] <BlankB> kaffeine doesnt read any mp3?
[11:45] <BlankB> nikka: the gimp can open some psd files.
[11:45] <ingenu> well I just have a few of them on that disk for security I disconnected my other HDD while installing kubuntu
[11:45] <nikkia> BlankB: opening psd's isn't the problem...
[11:45] <ingenu> and none of those MP3 I read yesterday in windows do work in kaffeine
[11:45] <BlankB> No i mean kaffeine doesnt play mp3's at all?
[11:46] <nikkia> BlankB: i expected 'art them up a bit' to mean more than 'extract them from the png and save as psd' :)
[11:46] <BlankB> hehhe...thats funny. well probably not for you.
[11:46] <ingenu> I've no idea it auto launched when I clicked the file so I assumed it was capable
[11:46] <BlankB> ingneu: close kaffeine and make sure nothing else is using the sound card then try it with xmms.
[11:47] <god-zero> BlankB: kaffiene can't play mp3s from a default install... you'll need the mp3 capable plugin for your sound
[11:47] <BlankB> thanks god-zero.
[11:47] <ingenu> ok any way to make xmms work then ?
[11:48] <BlankB> what happens when you run xmms?
[11:49] <ingenu> ok about xmms it's reading from NTFS it doesn't like
[11:49] <ingenu> it works in /tmp
[11:50] <ingenu> wait it works on NTFS too
[11:50] <ingenu> could it be because I'm running a global OS update ?
[11:50] <BlankB> so xmms works on the file if you just copy it to /tmp/
[11:51] <ingenu> xmms just works fine now
[11:51] <ingenu> wonder why it didn't previously
[11:52] <god-zero> nothing's gaurenteed to work durring a upgrade or dist-upgrade
[11:52] <BlankB> not even the dist-upgrade
[11:52] <ingenu> lol
[11:52] <BlankB> 8)
[11:52] <ingenu> next step is : how to get hardware OpenGL
[11:53] <ingenu> can kynaptic do that for me ?
[11:53] <god-zero> I hope you're not too attached to your sanity
[11:54] <ingenu> why so ?
[11:54] <god-zero>  hardware gl will atleast require a reconfigure x
[11:54] <ingenu> mmh
[11:54] <ingenu> and so it's hard ?
[11:55] <god-zero> not too bad if you know your hardware
[11:55] <ingenu> I hoped it would install OpenGL by default
[11:55] <ingenu> GF6600GT
[11:55] <god-zero> I didn't, and it was difficlt (ati)
[11:55] <ingenu> any reason why it's not auto installed ?
[11:56] <god-zero> nonfree driver
[11:56] <ingenu> might be freely redistributable though
[11:57] <god-zero> "free" in this case is more than a money issue, it's a rediribution issue too
[11:59] <god-zero> not sure about that, but the "license filter" they use on the install cds is pretty tight.
[12:03] <BlankB> how would I know if opengl is running hardware on my machine?
[12:04] <nikkia> BlankB: glxinfo
[12:05] <nikkia> BlankB: look at the 'direct rendering:' and renderer strings
[12:05] <ingenu> if you find Mesa it's software
[12:05] <nikkia> if direct rendering is 'yes', then its almost certainly hardware, if its no, its not, and if the renderer looks like its talking about h/w not 'Mesa Indirect' or something
[12:06] <ingenu> that's incorrect
[12:06] <BlankB> direct rendering: no. Open gl renderer string: mesa glx indirect....
[12:06] <nikkia> ingenu: not necessarily, there are a few cases where mesa can be h/w
[12:06] <ingenu> and cases where direct rendering is incorrect too
[12:06] <nikkia> ingenu: i suppose, i meant 'probably not' in there, really
[12:06] <ingenu> so anyway just like me you're software
[12:07] <BlankB> thats sad...but I really didnt exptect it with this card.
[12:07] <nikkia> BlankB: what card?
[12:07] <ingenu> well it seems to me that you need to install OpenGL drivers yourself
[12:07] <BlankB> dual monitor card. Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400 AGP
[12:07] <god-zero> Try previewing a gl screensave with the fps counter on
[12:07] <nikkia> ingenu: there should be a nvidia-glx in the repositories somewhere
[12:08] <nikkia> !info nvidia-glx
[12:08] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver), section restricted/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2980 kB, Installed size: 9752 kB
[12:09] <BlankB> It is nice to have dual monitors under kubuntu.
[12:09] <god-zero> nikkia: so, are you the artist, coder or both... I stepped in 1/2 way through the story I think ^^^
[12:10] <nikkia> god-zero: programmer/software-engineer, but i do a fair bit of image manipulation (not really artistry, just manipulation)
[12:10] <nikkia> god-zero: in this case, i draw some placeholder buttons for a menu page, sent them to the artist and told him to 'art them up a bit', he sent them back identical, but in psd format :P
[12:11] <god-zero> lol
[12:11] <nikkia> 'drew' == 'took the a section of the background and placed the text over the top of it'
[12:11] <nikkia> 'took a section...' even
[12:11] <sveri> hi, is there a posibility to hibernate my beatiful kubuntu, i use an actual breezy preview?
[12:12] <ingenu> ok so asking Kynaptic nicely should be fine
[12:12] <nikkia> god-zero: so i've said 'sod it' and just added some drop-shadow to my original placeholders, and using them instead :)
[12:12] <skaman> hey guys the start splashscreen where is configured?
[12:12] <skaman> the one after grub..
[12:12] <ingenu> did install it
[12:12] <ingenu> no change in glxinfo
[12:13] <kartug> hi folks...
[12:13] <ingenu> should I get it as I need to reboot ?
[12:13] <kartug> got a bit of a noob question
[12:13] <nikkia> ingenu: you'll need to restart X, a reboot shouldn't be necessary really
[12:14] <kartug> could anybody give me a hand in installing skype for linux?? i got the .deb but what do i do now?
[12:14] <nikkia> ingenu: you *may* need to configure X to use nvidia's glx, or it may have been done by the package, i've never used the packaged glx stuff so have no idea :)
[12:14] <ingenu> ok so how to restart X ?
[12:14] <god-zero> nikkia: the ati fglrx kernel module wouldn't load for me with a simple ctrl-alt-bkspc
[12:14] <BlankB> kartug: dunno about skype but to install a .deb its: dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:15] <nikkia> ingenu: quick and dirty way, is to hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:15] <nikkia> god-zero: that doesn't surprise me, its ATi after all :/
[12:15] <nikkia> god-zero: but its always worth trying to just restart X first
[12:15] <god-zero> definatly
[12:16] <ingenu> mmh
[12:16] <ingenu> can't initialize opengl
[12:17] <ingenu> woosh
[12:17] <ingenu> image corruption
[12:18] <god-zero> I'm installing kubunt under qemu to see how the new installer looks/works... I thought there was a graphical install now..:/
[12:19] <nikkia> ingenu: probably needs a reboot then... some of it depends on whether you're using the kernel agpgart or the nvidia one (i recommend nvidia's), and whether or not its loaded
[12:19] <ingenu> neat can't read any text
[12:19] <ingenu> how lovely
[12:19] <nikkia> ingenu: most of the agpgarts in the kernel are really bad, the intel one for example, will often work fine for around 24 hours, then go *really* slow, so slow that even 2D is slower than normal, and it needs a reboot to fix
[12:24] <ingenu> uninstalled
[12:24] <ingenu> no more corruption
[12:24] <ingenu> but no OpenGL either
[12:24] <ingenu> which is a problem since I NEED it
[12:37] <skaman> hey guys the initial splashscreen where is configured?
[12:37] <skaman> the one we see after grub's loaded
[12:37] <Hobbsee> in breezy?
[12:37] <skaman> yes
[12:37] <skaman> normally we see a b/w text
[12:37] <Hobbsee> not sure, i'm not running breezy
[12:37] <skaman> i installed a theme
[12:37] <skaman> and changed that splashscreen
[12:38] <Hobbsee> and you want to change it back?
[12:38] <skaman> and is horrible
[12:38] <skaman> yes
[12:38] <Hobbsee> :(
[12:38] <Hobbsee> i'm guessing use a find for either "usplash" or "bootsplash" - whichever one that particular screen is
[12:38] <skaman> the funny thing is that the theme didnt change nothing eccept that horrible splash screen
[12:39] <Hobbsee> was it supposed to?
[12:39] <skaman> mmmm
[12:39] <skaman> yes maybe but is supposed to change a lot ofm other things
[12:43] <skaman> i try to remove it
[12:43] <skaman> let's see
[12:43] <skaman> brb
[12:43] <kartug> oh hey skaman...got a similar question
[01:03] <kartug> hey anyone here who can help me out on some grub theme stuff?
[01:11] <jeh_work> isn't the breezy release quite soon?
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> 13th
[01:12] <jeh_work> ah
[01:12] <jeh_work> i think i'll try it on this work system then
[01:13] <jeh_work> don't dare test it at home before i know it works :)
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :D
[01:13] <jeh_work> priorities, you know. at work i get paid to fiddle with stuff, at home i only get frustrated
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) whta do you work as?
[01:14] <jeh_work> this fedora core 3 isn't really a stellar distro
[01:14] <jeh_work> software developer
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> nah, im not a fan of fc3
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok :D
[01:15] <jeh_work> we're allowed to use whatever we want on our systems, but i inherited this machine and have been too lazy to do something about it
[01:15] <JustinS> Afternoon all .. Found my an iso of Kubuntu 5.10 for my lappy (Sitting next to me here) .. All is well .. "except" the ipw2200 (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG card) isn't working. (It says I need to start it manually when I attempt to start it via KWifiManager). I've edited /etc/networ/interfaces and still it's not working .. (not dhcp, and wireless is eth0).
[01:15] <jeh_work> JustinS: it just flew into the drive and installed itself?
[01:16] <JustinS> jeh_work: lol .. naw, I actually accidentlly installed Kubuntu while I was eating a pb&j sandwich on top of my laptop while it was sitting in my lap ..
[01:18] <jeh_work> JustinS: hate it when that happens
[01:18] <JustinS> My bag of tricks is dry on getting this wifi card to work .. It's a HP Pavilion dv4000 .. Not too bad a laptop, but this card is "junk" .. 
[01:18] <JustinS> jeh_work: That's basicly the excuse I tell the wife .. "I dunno how Linux got on that computer too .. my gosh! It must be a virus protection application that keeps uninstalling XP" .. hehehehehe
[01:19] <jeh_work> heh
[01:19] <jeh_work> my wife demands to run linux and kde
[01:20] <JustinS> All my boxes have linux in one form or another on them "except" her regular computer and this laptop. My wife doesn't wanna learn the equivelent software (Gimp, OpenOffice, K3B, etc etc etc) .. 
[01:21] <incubii> was pleased to get the kubuntu usplash going today. and vmware 5.5 as well
[01:21] <incubii> now i dont need to dual boot
[01:22] <nikkia> JustinS: check that the 'restricted-modules' package is installed
[01:22] <nikkia> JustinS: i think the ipw2x00 need a firmware file out of that
[01:22] <JustinS> nikkia: Can you point me in the direction of that?
[01:22] <nikkia> JustinS: yeah, open aptitude, or synaptic, and search for 'restricted-modules' :)
[01:23] <JustinS> nikkia: Does it matter that I have no internet connection? (Let alone network) ..
[01:23] <jeh_work> JustinS: no, magic will work fine
[01:23] <nikkia> it'll be linux-restricted-modules-blah-blah depending on kernel version/architecture
[01:24] <nikkia> JustinS: thats probably why then
[01:24] <nikkia> JustinS: if that package isn't installed, you'll have to dl it and stick it on a cd or something
[01:24] <nikkia> but we can cross that bridge in a bit :)
[01:25] <JustinS> Looks like Base System (restricted)>linux-restricted-modules-386 is good to go (green box next to it) ..
[01:25] <nikkia> hmmm, actually, the description doesn't mention ipw2x00 stuff
[01:25] <nikkia> but that doesn't mean its not in there
[01:26] <nikkia> JustinS: what happens if you type 'sudo modprobe ipw2200' ?
[01:26] <JustinS> lemme lookie loo .. just a sec ..
[01:27] <crimsun> ipw2x00 firmware is distributed in linux-image-$(uname -r)
[01:27] <crimsun> it is not part of linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[01:27] <crimsun> dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ipw
[01:27] <JustinS> Just bounces to the next line .. nothing more nothing less .. 
[01:27] <nikkia> JustinS: now do 'dmesg', is there any error on the end of the output ?
[01:28] <JustinS> dmesg looks good .. I'm scrolling in it now to see if I see the card spacificaly ..
[01:29] <JustinS> ipw2200 is in there with 0 errors .. 
[01:30] <nikkia> JustinS: are there any leds lit on the card ?
[01:31] <JustinS> nikkia: It's internal .. when xp is running there a blue light with a button to turn it on/off .. I'm not sure any of the buttons (volume, mute, that network button etc) work via linux (that I've tried) ..
[01:32] <nikkia> JustinS: hmm, ok, then, do ifconfig -a and see if there is any mention of a network adapter other than 'lo'
[01:34] <JustinS> Rodge there are three .. eth0/eth1/lo .. None have ip addresses or gateway info .. But they all have the other standard info.
[01:34] <nikkia> ok, eth1 is *probably* the wireless
[01:34] <nikkia> try iwconfig eth1
[01:34] <nikkia> (might need to sudo that, can't remember)
[01:35] <JustinS> I can check again, but I'm 90% sure it's eth0 .. 
[01:35] <nikkia> JustinS: if there are two eth devices, one will be onboard wired, one wireless, and more often than not, the wired comes up as '0'
[01:35] <nikkia> actually, just 'iwconfig' will tell you if any of the interfaces have wireless extensions
[01:36] <JustinS> iwconfig eth0=radip off EESID:off/any Mode:Managed etc etc ... iwconfig eth1=No Wireless Extensions .. 
[01:36] <nikkia> ok, so eth0 *is* the wireless, fair enough
[01:36] <JustinS> radip=radio
[01:37] <nikkia> JustinS: is your base station set to use a essid or wep ?
[01:38] <apokryphos> aftewoon nikkia 
[01:38] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos
[01:38] <JustinS> WEP .. I tried to leave it unsecure and the neighborhood hammered my bandwidth .. (can't blame them, our isp sucks) ..
[01:39] <JustinS> I do have a SID of LinuxBase on my router ..
[01:39] <nikkia> JustinS: for testing purposes, it *might* be better to turn wep off temporarily
[01:39] <JustinS> I can try it .. I'll loose conectivity for all my computers while I do that though I'm pretty sure .. 
[01:40] <nikkia> JustinS: well, its just that you're fighting against two issues right now, 1) getting the card to work, 2) getting the card to work with wep :)
[01:41] <nikkia> its easier to just deal with point 1 first, then worry about wep after that :)
[01:41] <JustinS> I'll be back in a sec if I loose the connection though .. If the lappy starts working I'll jump on here via that computer .. 
[01:41] <JustinS> k .. no prob ..
[01:42] <JustinS> I also don't use dhcp .. does that complicate things toO?
[01:42] <nikkia> JustinS: well, a little, yes, it means you need to tell the card an ip address manually :)
[01:43] <nikkia> but i'm sure you know how to do that already
[01:43] <JustinS> No problem there .. ifconfig if iwconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 like? I tried it before and it kicked out a "woops" just don't member the wordage ..
[01:43] <nikkia> ifconfig, yeah
[01:44] <nikkia> iwconfig is only for setting wireless specific stuff, essid, wep key, etc
[01:45] <JustinS> Do I need to restart the lappy? It kicks out ... SOICSIFADDR: Permission Denied and SOICSIFFLAGS: Permission denied (think I needed sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 .. 
[01:46] <nikkia> no, just re-do it with sudo
[01:47] <JustinS> K .. looks like route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0 and ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.5 worked .. I already did /etc/resolv.conf for my nameservers .. crossin' fingers now .. 
[01:50] <JustinS> My network settings window has a green check mark w/eth0 but Administrator Mode just greys back out when I enter my sudo passworkd ..
[01:52] <nikkia> JustinS: that's just a bug in kcontrol
[01:52] <nikkia> JustinS: use 'kdesu kcontrol'
[01:52] <JustinS> okay .. 
[01:52] <nikkia> or kdesu kwifimanager or whatever :)
[01:57] <JustinS> K .. when I use kwifimanager it's signal strength is N/A .. when I scan for networks it shows mine and the neighbors (his isn't hooked to the Internet) .. When I click (either) .. they just get a box aroundthem, I click okay, and nothing changes . although I do see all the cards info (like ip address) .. I think I typed in my domain where it needed to be network ..
[01:58] <nikkia> JustinS: IME, kwifimanager doesn't always work, sometimes, its just easier to edit the config files by hand
[01:58] <nikkia> JustinS: you can force your card to connect to the specific ESSID, which is the first step
[01:59] <JustinS> I'm a fan of config myhand myself .. (default Gentoo user) .. I couldn't find all the files in Kubuntu .. but I didn't look too long or hard either . 
[02:00] <nikkia> JustinS: the configuration can all be done within /etc/network/interfaces
[02:00] <nikkia> JustinS: it accepts a bunch of (not very well documented) config parameters for wireless cards, such as wireless-mode, wireless-essid  etc
[02:00] <JustinS> aha okay .. I'm familure with that file already .. (can't wait to get online so I can install joe instead of nano/vi ..
[02:01] <nikkia> so, you want to configure eth0 in there with your IP etc, then add wireless-mode managed (you're using a basestation), then wireless-essid  ... with your essid, and once you've got all that working, you can come back and add wireless-key1  with your wep key
[02:02] <JustinS> Okay .. all that's in there .. under eth0 .. and dns-nameservers .. I did my nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf . should I do that there too? Or are they two diff things?
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay for apt-proxy. i can update 3 proxyis at once - daisy chain them :D *hugs cool apt things*
[02:04] <nikkia> JustinS: it doesn't make much difference if you don't use dhcp, as resolv.conf shouldn't get overwritten
[02:07] <JustinS> no hope .. sigh .. How fast do I have to drive with this dragging behind my car before there is no evidence of it's existance?
[02:09] <JustinS> Time for this keyboard junkie to hit the hay .. Early day tomorrow .. Thanks for the help nikkia .. It's given me some more direction to attempt once my sleep level has been adjusted .. 
[02:10] <JustinS> g'night all ..
[02:15] <nalioth> howdy nikkia whats the word of the day?
[02:18] <nikkia> nalioth: aubergine
[02:19] <apokryphos> it's inchoate actually
[02:20] <nikkia> might be yours, mine is aubergine, but that might be because i bought my cheapo 'word of the day' calendar from a dodgy farmer :P
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:20] <nikkia> google's w-o-t-d is inchoate too
[02:21] <nikkia> that said, google clearly just pull the wotd from dictionary.com :P
[02:22] <nalioth> wow i started a discussion
[02:23] <apokryphos> yeah, and they get their quotes from quotationspage.com too
[02:24] <aftertaf> lol
[03:04] <apokryphos> inc|fReAkY: the continuous name-changing is a little annoying; please don't do it.
[03:07] <_leif> test
[03:07] <dashrike> gg _leif
[03:08] <_leif> ive just installed kubuntu on a virtual machine
[03:08] <_leif> to see what it's like
[03:13] <dashrike> I plan on reinstalling it once I get my PC actually functioning. :P
[03:54] <beast> hi, has anyone ever had problems with the kubuntu installer?  after i set my partitions the way i want them, i try to install the packages but it stops midway, or doesn't even install the base packages. any ideas? 
[03:55] <beast> i've tried this with two different burns and 2 different kubuntu versions
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> is the hdd full?
[03:58] <beast> no, the partitions are already set, i went with an install that would not overwrite my data
[03:58] <beast> still plenty of space
[03:58] <jjesse> how does that type of install work? 
[04:00] <beast> i went through the partition config and told it that i wanted to keep things the same, so i selected the "finish and save changes" and then went back to the main menu where i could install the base packages, but it would never install anything
[04:00] <beast> how have others installed it? just apt-get install?
[04:02] <beast> i'm running another debian distro at the moment, but would like to install kubuntu
[04:03] <beast> i assume i could just update my sources.list and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:23] <Riddell> jjesse: where do I find your latest version?
[04:24] <Chase> does anyone know why Kmail 1.8.2 from the kubuntu preview realise has the "Import new Messages" option grayed out?
[04:25] <jjesse> should be in svn umm /branches/breezy/kde/kreleasenotes/C/kreleasenotes.xml
[04:26] <Riddell> Chase: why installing kdepim-kio-plugins
[04:26] <Riddell> jjesse: where is svn?
[04:26] <piperx> when will kubuntu breezy available?
[04:26] <jjesse> hmm let me email you the doc instead that would be easiet?
[04:26] <Chase> Riddell: its already installed
[04:26] <tim_> piperx: I think the same time as Ubuntu
[04:27] <Riddell> piperx: week on thursday
[04:27] <Riddell> jjesse: no, svn is best
[04:27] <jjesse> you know how to check out the docs right?
[04:27] <Riddell> jjesse: not until you tell me the svn URL
[04:27] <jjesse> ok find it
[04:27] <Riddell> I've done it before, just forgotten
[04:29] <jjesse> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/kde/kreleasenotes/C/kreleasenotes.xml
[04:30] <ubuntu> Hello everybody
[04:31] <ubuntu> connecting from iBook G4 running kubuntu 5.10 livecd
[04:31] <Riddell> hello ubuntu, congratulations
[04:31] <Riddell> ubuntu: which IRC program?
[04:31] <sproingie> oh hey kde 3.4.2 on amd64 now.  that explains why i had such a huge update last night
[04:32] <ubuntu> konversation 
[04:32] <Tm_T> hmm, konvi doesn't reply to ctcp call?
[04:32] <Tm_T> :/
[04:32] <ubuntu> am not a registered user
[04:32] <ubuntu> i got 505 message
[04:32] <Tm_T> ah
[04:33] <ubuntu> have not IRC for a long long time
[04:33] <ubuntu> :)
[04:33] <sproingie> er wait, 3.4.2 is the normal kubuntu breezy version no?
[04:34] <ubuntu> i think so
[04:34] <ubuntu> this is breeze alright and it is 3.4.2
[04:34] <sproingie> was there a major c++ update recently?  since last updated touched almost everything kde that i had
[04:35] <ubuntu> sorry sproingie.. no idea :)
[04:35] <ubuntu> first time on kubuntu :)
[04:35] <ubuntu> slackware user on x86 machine
[04:36] <Tm_T> sproingie: you mean 3.4 -> 4.0 ?
[04:38] <sproingie> oh that was recent?
[04:40] <Vectrox> 3.4 -> 4.0 is completed for a long time now
[04:45] <StR> Hi  all!!
[04:45] <StR> I finaly saw the usplash!
[04:53] <pussfeller> so what are teh new and exciting apps in breezy
[04:57] <Chase> does anyone know what the easyest way to upgrate 'Wireless Extension' to version 18 or above is? my system is fully up-todate but im still only running version 17??
[05:07] <ciccio> salve a tutti
[05:18] <Lutty> How do I get firefox to work with Kubuntu? Thunderbird works, but when I try to start firefox from either command line or app link, nothing happens
[05:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lutty: what happens?
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it print anything to the terminal?( Konsole?)
[05:22] <Lutty> nope
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i know theres a gtk package you need to get it to look pretty, but i thought it ran strait out
[05:24] <Lutty> that happened when i first tried to install, then I installed the gtk packages then firefox installed...but it wont run
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it firefox from the offical repositries or backports?
[05:25] <Lutty> i got it from mozilla.org
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok. 
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> source or do they do debs?
[05:26] <Lutty> no...its just a graphic installer that you run from the command line
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok. tried from the repositries? 
[05:27] <Lutty> not yet...i will now
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> that should work, if your running hoary it will be 1.0~ if your on breezy, 1.0.7
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> how can i use date to print out the time? date %t or something?
[05:37] <Lutty> even the firefox I got from kynaptic didnt work
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, ok. :( *tries to get head functioning*
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> and the terminal output is no ue to debug?
[05:38] <apokryphos> man date :P
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> might need to file a bug, unless somone can think of something
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: thats how i found t ;)
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> iv got the gear, just dont know how to use it :P_
[05:39] <silvertear> hey, where is the setting to configure the mouse under kde? i have hooked up an optical usb mouse it is not yet working
[05:40] <silvertear> i want hardware configs, not like mouse speed, pointer appearance, etc
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> spose dpkg, but thats not gui based
[05:41] <silvertear> oh let me look under xorg.conf
[05:41] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: oh, did you not find out how from the man?
[05:42] <douglas> what package do I need for X includes?
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: i got a bit lost :( its to early in hte morning for man pages like dates
[05:42] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: heh. It says it there... date [OPTION] ... [+FORMAT] 
[05:42] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: so in this case, date +%T
[05:42] <apokryphos> it is a bit weird
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay *hugs apokryphos*
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was missing teh +
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[05:43] <apokryphos> yeah; I always look at the usage with things like that
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> now i have to make it my quit in gaim :) but thats another days project
[05:55] <kingruedi> hi
[05:55] <kingruedi> is kdebluetooth an official kubuntu package?
[05:56] <apokryphos> kingruedi: it comes with Kubuntu, yes.
[05:57] <kingruedi> why does it depend on xmms?
[05:57] <apokryphos> it doesn't seem to
[05:59] <kingruedi> apokryphos: apt-cache show bluetooth -> Depends: [...]   xmms, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[05:59] <kingruedi> apt-cache show kdebluetooth
[05:59] <apokryphos> hoary?
[05:59] <kingruedi> yes
[05:59] <apokryphos> ok; you could be right.
[06:00] <apokryphos> It doesn't in Breezy
[06:00] <Riddell> hoary doesn't have kdebluetooth
[06:00] <apokryphos> (and kdebluetooth doesn't come with xmms in Hoary)
[06:00] <apokryphos> *kdebluetooth doesn't come with Hoary
[06:00] <kingruedi> okay, may be i'm using an inofficial package. Checking my sources.list :-)
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all. thanks for the date thing apokryphos
[06:00] <apokryphos> np
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> fixed my script somewhat :)
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all.
[06:01] <kingruedi> could it be a part of the hoary-backports or hoary-extras?
[06:01] <Lutty> strange, when I tried to reinstall firefox from mozilla.org...it will launch itself after the install, but wont work after that
[06:01] <apokryphos> kingruedi: probably
[06:02] <nikkia> lutty, probably a profile/extension error, i had that with 1.0.7 too, except mine crashed my PC hard the 4th time i tried to run it
[06:02] <spiral> hi
[06:02] <kingruedi> *grml*
[06:02] <nikkia> Lutty: mv your profile directory out of the way, then try running it
[06:05] <apokryphos> kde really isn't that bad with running multiple sessions
[06:07] <Lutty> how do I move the profile directory?
[06:08] <apokryphos> Riddell: is khotkeys not gonna work for breezy too? :/
[06:08] <Riddell> apokryphos: how do you mean?
[06:09] <apokryphos> Riddell: on trying to run it, "ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed."; had the same problem with hoary on multiple computers
[06:09] <apokryphos> (and still do on my new one now; others have mentioned it in here too)
[06:09] <apokryphos> actually wondering if there was a bug report 'bout it now
[06:10] <Riddell> apokryphos: I don't remember seeing one (doesn't mean there isn't)
[06:13] <apokryphos> Riddell: searched and didn't see one; should I make one?
[06:14] <Riddell> apokryphos: sure
[06:16] <Lutty> ok, if firefox will  run from command line using sudo firefox, but it wont run just typing firefox...do I need to change some permissions?
[06:17] <apokryphos> Lutty: you installed it via apt?
[06:18] <Lutty> I have both, and neither work
[06:18] <apokryphos> Lutty: The executable (and package) is mozilla-firefox, but it should (and it does) make a link to that. ls /usr/bin|grep firefox gives?
[06:19] <apokryphos> you shouldn't ever really do sudo {GUIAPP}. You can muck up permissions
[06:19] <apokryphos> (there's kdesu/gksudo for that)
[06:21] <apokryphos> ok, gotta go for a bit now; if you're still experiencing problems drop a note in here, and if you don't get help it's worth trying #ubuntu
[06:24] <JakubS_> Riddell: ping
[06:25] <jhoke_> Hi 
[06:25] <Riddell> JakubS_: hi
[06:25] <JakubS_> hi Riddell 
[06:25] <JakubS_> is there clean way to replace library from a package?
[06:25] <JakubS_> dpkg-divert looks like way to go but it interferes badly with ldconfig
[06:26] <JakubS_> (symlinks are created to old version)
[06:26] <Riddell> JakubS_: how do you mean?
[06:26] <JakubS_> i want to install package libkdnssd-avahi that will replace /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0 with better version
[06:26] <jhoke_> does anyone know if there is a repostitory with libiec61883 available? I am new to kubutu (from FC and SuSE) and I am trying to find it... I would have installed from source, but libraw1384 packages installed are not yet up to date (needs 1.2 or higher)
[06:27] <Riddell> JakubS_: if it's a different library it's best to give it a different name
[06:28] <Riddell> JakubS_: but you can just put Replaces: oldpackage in the control file and it'll overwrite it
[06:28] <JakubS_> yeah, tried that first but it i later remove libkdnssd-avahi package library will be missing (even when it is supposed to be in kdelibs4c2)
[06:29] <JakubS_> well, this is library API/ABI compatible but providing real functionality instead of stub included in kdelib4c2
[06:30] <jjesse> yes philipacamaniac 
[06:30] <philipacamaniac> have you updated the kubuntu quick guide to include adept instead of kynaptic
[06:30] <jjesse> in process
[06:30] <JakubS_> i can give it newer version (1.0.1 instead of 1.0.0) but this will leave old lib from kdelibs4c2 on disk - kinda unclean
[06:31] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: thanks
[06:31] <jjesse> no problem philipacamaniac  after the chanes are made i'm working on getting them uploaded into the package system
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> message to anyone: I converted an Ubuntu installation into Kubuntu, but the usplash theme didn't change, even after installing the new kubuntu-artwork-usplash package.
[06:35] <philipacamaniac> suggestions?
[06:46] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: what version of usplash do you have installed?
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: how do I check
[06:47] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: apt-cache policy usplash
[06:48] <philipacamaniac> 0.1-21
[06:49] <philipacamaniac> I am doing an apt-get upgrade, which includes a new version of kubuntu-artwork-usplash. I'll shutup until that one's installed.
[06:50] <neville> how do I add programms to autostart ? 
[06:50] <marisol> Hello
[06:51] <marisol> Is j2re removed from the repos?
[06:51] <marisol> I have a new installation here, and restricted etc
[06:51] <BlankB> yes.
[06:51] <philipacamaniac> neville: ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:51] <marisol> I can't find j2re, realplayer etc
[06:51] <neville> thanks
[06:51] <marisol> Why? Can I find these anywhere?
[06:51] <marisol> win32 codecs etc?
[06:52] <philipacamaniac> marisol: those are non-free packages, and they used to be available in the unofficial backports mirrors, which have now been shutdown.
[06:52] <marisol> Why?
[06:52] <BlankB> licensing.
[06:52] <marisol> Well how can I else add them to Ubuntu?
[06:52] <philipacamaniac> well, I have to guess, but I think it was also because the backports were breaking people's systems
[06:53] <marisol> Backports worked perfecly on all my ubuntu setups
[06:53] <marisol> And I'm at loss now how I can instatt this desktop properly without them
[06:53] <marisol> install...
[06:54] <philipacamaniac> marisol: for w32codecs, see this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70227
[06:54] <neville> philipacamaniac, how does it work ,do I  have to create a link ?
[06:54] <philipacamaniac> for j2re, you probably need to install it from Sun
[06:55] <jhoke_> excuse me for being a noob... (at least to kubuntu) but I want to install libiec61883 for mythtv's firewire controls. it requires libraw1394 1.20+ and kubuntu is < 1.2 ... if I install libraw1.2 from source how fsck'd will my system get?
[06:55] <jhoke_> or is there a repo where I can find "test" versions of libraw :)
[06:55] <philipacamaniac> neville: in konqueror, right click in the folder and "create new --> link to application"
[06:56] <neville> thanks
[06:57] <philipacamaniac> neville: I think it creates a .desktop file
[06:57] <philipacamaniac> err, I mean, I know it creates a .desktop file
[06:58] <chx> Realplayer and Breezy Badger. Any pointers?
[06:58] <chx> I am eager to watch http://wcdata.sun.com/webcast/archives/VIP-2166/ this.
[06:58] <philipacamaniac> chx: do the w32codecs take care of it?
[06:58] <jjesse> ah the google/star office mix
[06:58] <chx> jjesse: ah yes
[06:59] <chx> philipacamaniac: I have no idea what you are talking of
[06:59] <BlankB> jhoke_ : looks like libraw is 0.10.1-1.1 in breezy. http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libraw1394-5
[06:59] <chx> philipacamaniac: mplayer and w32codecs??
[06:59] <philipacamaniac> chx: yes
[06:59] <chx> philipacamaniac: hmmm interesting idea to use mplayer for real. never thought of that
[07:00] <chx> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[07:00] <philipacamaniac> yeah, see this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70227
[07:01] <chx> 1)You have to OWN A LEGAL COPY of Windows, because these are proprietary codecs (somebody correct me if I'm wrong)
[07:01] <chx> i can't continue
[07:01] <chx> the very reason for dumping Windows a year ago was that I had no Windows licence
[07:02] <philipacamaniac> chx: where do you live
[07:02] <chx> Hungary
[07:02] <philipacamaniac> now, see, I may be wrong, but Europe doesn't have the same patent laws as the US
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> if you can watch a DVD with libdvdcss, you can watch a webstream using the win32codecs
[07:03] <BlankB> !w32codecs
[07:03] <ubotu> [w32codecs]  a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy). 64-bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[07:03] <chx> philipacamaniac: I think libdvdcss is illegal too, because of the local version of anti-countermeasure
[07:04] <philipacamaniac> chx: well you decide. you and I know you aren't doing anything wrong. You just want to watch some movies on your computer.
[07:05] <chx> philipacamaniac: libdvdcss was acceptable and I will w32codecs for now -- this is too important -- but I will remove as they contaminate my machine
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> as in, taint it with non-free software? more power to you, but I'm a long way off from never using non-free. (posted from Trillian in Windows XP - sigh)
[07:06] <chx> philipacamaniac: non-free is fine, but illegal is not
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> i see
[07:06] <chx> philipacamaniac: I bought Opera for example (several years ago), I bought CrossOffice...
[07:07] <chx> philipacamaniac: I am not an OSS zealot despite working on a small OSS project myself (Drupal CMS, that is)
[07:07] <philipacamaniac> oh your a drupal guy, cool!
[07:08] <chx> philipacamaniac: I am the Drupal securiy officer to begin with :)
[07:08] <chx> philipacamaniac: that's pretty fresh, go to http://drupal.org/securiy  and subscribe 
[07:08] <chx> someone should slashdot that link (hint, hint)
[07:09] <rikva> I wouldn't call drupal a small project :)
[07:09] <philipacamaniac> i think it was a modest joke
[07:09] <chx> rikva: it's smaller than Kubuntu, I think
[07:09] <philipacamaniac> no way
[07:09] <rikva> indeed
[07:09] <rikva> I love both kubuntu and drupal ^^
[07:10] <philipacamaniac> i've never used drupal, but I read kdedevelopers.org everyday
[07:10] <chx> no way?? you say, Drupal is bigger than a full OS...? I doubt that
[07:10] <rikva> hmm you're right
[07:15] <chx> mabu: you are from Slovenia? (i guess from .si)
[07:17] <philipacamaniac> chx: That video works in Kaffeine using the xine engine and having the w32codecs installed
[07:17] <chx> philipacamaniac: thanks.
[07:18] <MikeStyle> hey guys i need some help
[07:18] <chx> philipacamaniac: there is alreayd a video? I thought it's a few minutes away...
[07:18] <rikva> MikeStyle: just ask :)
[07:18] <MikeStyle> well rikva, i was here yesterday... and crimsum and another guy helped me alot...is crimsum here?
[07:18] <philipacamaniac> not yet, it says "the broadcast will begin in a minute
[07:18] <crimsun> barely.
[07:18] <MikeStyle> hey crimsum
[07:18] <MikeStyle> :)
[07:19] <crimsun> and please spell my nick correctly if you wish to trigger my nick highlight
[07:19] <MikeStyle> ohhh
[07:19] <MikeStyle> crimsun
[07:19] <MikeStyle> woops
[07:19] <MikeStyle> tired
[07:19] <MikeStyle> anyway
[07:19] <MikeStyle> my display manager still doesnt work :)
[07:19] <crimsun> kdm?
[07:20] <philipacamaniac> chx: being able to watch webcasts with proprietary protocols in Linux: priceless.
[07:20] <chx> philipacamaniac: I was never able to get Kaffeine work even with video
[07:20] <philipacamaniac> chx: install kaffeine-xine
[07:21] <philipacamaniac> chx: gstreamer engine has never seemed to work for me
[07:21] <philipacamaniac> kaffeine-xine recognizes mplayer codecs
[07:23] <chx> philipacamaniac: how can I reconfigure kaffeine to use xine, installed package
[07:23] <BlankB> !krepositories
[07:23] <ubotu> somebody said krepositories was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[07:23] <Drakeson> chx: a question about drupal books:
[07:24] <philipacamaniac> chx: open kaffeine, Settings -> Player Engine -> Kaffeine  (not Kaffeine Gstreamer)
[07:24] <MikeStyle> crimsun, sorry my connection went out...did u get the messages i typed?
[07:25] <crimsun> MikeStyle: no
[07:25] <MikeStyle> ok
[07:25] <MikeStyle> ill retype
[07:25] <chx> philipacamaniac: only kaff.g. is available
[07:25] <MikeStyle> my kdm isnt working. when i try startx i get like a messed up screen and a cursor but then back to command line.
[07:25] <philipacamaniac> chx: did you open kaffeine after installing kaffeine-xine?
[07:25] <chx> Kaffeine Part...
[07:25] <chx> Part not found. Please check your installation!
[07:26] <chx> this is what I got from kaffeine -w
[07:26] <philipacamaniac> ? ay caramba ? 
[07:26] <chx> all others incl. xine-lib is OK
[07:26] <philipacamaniac> are you fully updated breezy?
[07:26] <chx> philipacamaniac: yes
[07:27] <MikeStyle> oy i updated but now kdm dont work :)
[07:27] <MikeStyle> actually i think its xorg but wutever
[07:27] <philipacamaniac> chx: well, it should be working - i don't what else could be wrong - but if you want to watch that news conf you should probably do it in mplayer then
[07:28] <MikeStyle> crimsun, should i try reinstalling kde?
[07:29] <crimsun> MikeStyle: no
[07:29] <crimsun> MikeStyle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:29] <crimsun> did that fail as before?
[07:29] <MikeStyle> i did yesterday...
[07:29] <MikeStyle> no it didnt fail so i reconfigured
[07:29] <MikeStyle> and then i did reconfigure xorg-common snd xserver-xorg, non failed
[07:30] <MikeStyle> which driver should i use crimsun?
[07:31] <crimsun> which graphics card do you have?
[07:31] <MikeStyle> uhm its either ati or nvdiea
[07:31] <MikeStyle> or sumthin
[07:31] <MikeStyle> i dunno im on a laptop ive never taken apart
[07:31] <crimsun> lspci -v|grep -i graphic
[07:32] <philipacamaniac> why was gstreamer set as the default engine for kaffeine and amaroK?
[07:33] <MikeStyle> crimsun, that gave me no output. i dont think the |grep works on my system because when i took it off yesterday the command worked
[07:34] <crimsun> MikeStyle: paste lspci output in #flood
[07:34] <MikeStyle> i dunno how to copy and paste from command line.
[07:34] <crimsun> /exec -o lspci
[07:34] <crimsun> join #flood first
[07:34] <MikeStyle> ok
[07:35] <philipacamaniac> chx: I guess that conf doesn't start for an hour. timezones threw me off. here i was waiting for it. oh well.
[07:35] <mabu> chx, yes I am from SLovenia
[07:35] <philipacamaniac> chx: nevermind, there it goes!
[07:37] <MikeStyle> crimsun, it says my card is ATI Radeon
[07:37] <crimsun> then you need to use the radeon driver
[07:37] <MikeStyle> ok
[07:37] <MikeStyle> crimsun, there is no radeon driver...should i use ATI instead?
[07:39] <crimsun> MikeStyle: sure
[07:39] <crimsun> ati will bootstrap radeon if necessary
[07:40] <MikeStyle> ok crimsun, i reconfigured again
[07:40] <philipacamaniac> well, I watched about 2 minutes of that Google/Sun thing before it went on the blitz. I think I just witnessed a TV version of the slashdot effect.
[07:41] <chx> philipacamaniac: :(
[07:41] <chx> philipacamaniac: i just fixed my stuff and now it does not run
[07:41] <chx> philipacamaniac: i hope they will have a transcript up soon
[07:41] <philipacamaniac> chx: it died on me too, I think the stream got overloaded
[07:42] <chx> philipacamaniac: that's a shame. they should use Google Video :) or Akamai ... the whole world wanted to watch that , I guess
[07:43] <elvirolo>   i'm trying to compile kopete svn on my breezy box (KDE 3.5 beta)  but it's complaining about needing autoconf > 2.53" although i have 2.59 installed
[07:43] <_patrick> hi everyone - wondering if i can get some help for a few post install issues?
[07:44] <MikeStyle> crimsun, i rebooted and got a blank screen for a second...then back to command line
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: just start asking, hopefully we can provide some help.
[07:46] <MikeStyle> ...
[07:46] <_patrick> thanks - my first problem is that i need to set up my WLAN connection becasue i didnt do it at install. Ive tried using kdesu konqueror and using the settings feature to edit both kwifimanger and the network connctions but nothing will start at boot. i think i need to edit the boot scripts? but i dont know how
[07:50] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: I had the same problem (wireless settings don't get remembered).
[07:51] <_patrick> thats the one - whats the solution?
[07:51] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: here's an old thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=197134#post197134 maybe it will help
[07:51] <_patrick> thanks ill give it a go
[08:00] <_patrick> ok then - ive read throught that but im new to linux so im gonna need a little help. what should i call the script? its going in /etc/init.d, can i make it in a easy text editor?
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> you can make it in kate, yes.
[08:01] <_patrick> what shall i call it?
[08:01] <philipacamaniac> wireless-settings.sh
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> on the command line, you'll need to chmod a+x wireless-setting.sh to make it executable.
[08:03] <_patrick> this is gonna sound surprizing but i dont have any neighbours and im not on a road and i dont have a wep key so what do it do? comment the line?
[08:03] <kerute> hello
[08:03] <kerute> i need a little help on kubuntu live cd
[08:04] <kerute> i cant find how to force it to use vesa drivers
[08:04] <carlosvieira> entao pessoal
[08:04] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: comment the line and rewrite the 3rd line from the bottom to "iwconfig $IFACE essid $ESSID"
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> but here's the thing, if you're not even dealing with wep, then you shouldn't have to be doing all this. WEP (and a static IP) was my only problem.
[08:05] <philipacamaniac> KWifiManager, when run as kdesu kwifimanager, didn't work for you?
[08:07] <kerute> i tried xdrv=vesa at boot but doesnt work
[08:07] <ralph1> Hi all taking my new Breezy Badgar for a test run. Love it. But having some difficulty get Multimedea all installed. Can someone help.
[08:08] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: if all you are setting is the ssid, you don't need a special script.
[08:09] <_patrick> but after boot i have to activate both the wifi and the eth0 device before the network works
[08:09] <lilalinux> hey guys
[08:09] <lilalinux> is it possible to use the kde 3.5 kubuntu packages on a debian sid?
[08:11] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: that's a problem. eth0 is your wired interface, yes? you shouldn't even need that to get wireless working. On the other hand, what are you doing rebooting linux so often (j/k - wait, is it a laptop).
[08:12] <_patrick> no eth) is atually a wifi cardin a p3 pc that doesnt want to be left on becasue it is noisy and only used for my family - which is why setting up every thing is not possible.
[08:12] <kerute> do nobody endured crashes using ati drivers on kubuntu live cd ?
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: you should try wifi-radar from universe
[08:13] <_patrick> im not sure if the only problem is the wifi - i think that the netword card is not activated at boot or something
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> kerute: standard radeon drivers worked here, using a ATI mobility 9600
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: hold a sec
[08:13] <kerute> philipacamaniac: me its a xpress 200M
[08:14] <kerute> and id need to run using vesa but i cant find how
[08:15] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: go take a look at /etc/network/interfaces (it is a text file) and see if you have a line that reads "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[08:16] <philipacamaniac> kerute: I never used the live cd for anything more than opening a few programs to demonstrate. i do know that ati binary drivers are pretty unstable.
[08:17] <kerute> philipacamaniac: yup, and before installing id like to be sure everything i need works fine
[08:18] <kerute> for now i use a debian unstable but i cant make everithing working well
[08:18] <kerute> things stupids but like using touchpad AND usb mouse at the same time
[08:19] <_patrick> yes i have that line
[08:20] <philipacamaniac> kerute: ah, i see. those work pretty well in breezy, but again, i'm not sure you can force vesa drivers from the livecd
[08:20] <kerute> seems i cant
[08:21] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: can you pastebin.com your /etc/network/interfaces file please?
[08:21] <kerute> or cant configure modeline myself to make it work with vesa
[08:21] <kerute> i have to go
[08:21] <kerute> thx and c u
[08:21] <philipacamaniac> hasta
[08:21] <_elvirolo> hi
[08:22] <_elvirolo> is there a way of getting rid of that kwallet thing? it is so irritating
[08:22] <aseigo> _elvirolo: yes, turn it off
[08:22] <aseigo> _elvirolo: in the control center
[08:22] <_elvirolo> aseigo: oh thanks :)
[08:23] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: pastebin... ?
[08:24] <_elvirolo> aseigo: sry but i can't find it
[08:24] <_patrick> http://pastebin.com/382918
[08:24] <_patrick> sorry never done that before
[08:25] <_elvirolo> aseigo: ok ok :-D
[08:25] <aseigo> _elvirolo: see the Search tab in the control center? click on it and type "wallet" 
[08:25] <aseigo> _elvirolo: i'll bet you can figure out the rest ;)
[08:25] <_elvirolo> aseigo: i tried that in fact
[08:25] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: ah ha!
[08:25] <aseigo> _elvirolo: ha... really? i did it here and it returned two key words, i clicked on the first one and the only panel that matched was... KWallet!
[08:25] <aseigo> btb
[08:25] <aseigo> er, brb
[08:25] <_patrick> sounds positive
[08:26] <_elvirolo> aseigo: but there are no results
[08:26] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: first off, what are you running, breezy or hoary?
[08:26] <_patrick> not exactly sure - i downloaded what looked like the latest stable version
[08:26] <philipacamaniac> okay, hoary
[08:28] <_patrick> i guess - isnt breezy the development one?
[08:29] <Tm_T> next release yes
[08:29] <Tm_T> one week anymore :)
[08:29] <_patrick> then im hoary
[08:29] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: check the pastebin now http://pastebin.com/382925
[08:29] <Tm_T> _patrick: hm, breezy will be released end of next week, yes it's very unstable ;)
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> unstable - pah
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> as in, i don't think so
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> (when compared to hoary)
[08:30] <_patrick> anyhow - should that do then?
[08:30] <Tm_T> yes
[08:30] <Tm_T> I'll recommend breezy
[08:31] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: reboot and see, but that's what should do it
[08:31] <_patrick> ok then - ill be back - thanks
[08:31] <philipacamaniac> Tm_T: me too. although right now I'm struggling between recommending Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> Ubuntu: System Menu = awesome / Kubuntu: System Menu: not quite awesome
[08:35] <philipacamaniac> i booted into an Ubuntu live cd and was oh so jealous of how smooth everything looked. Kubuntu is a little harsh around some edges. (Jonathan, it's not your fault - it is KDE in general).
[08:36] <philipacamaniac> Although I'm a KDE fanboi, I sure wish someone would converge Gnome looks and KDE features
[08:36] <aseigo> what aspects of gnome looks?
[08:36] <Tm_T> uh
[08:36] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: heh, there's no way i'm going at this with you! :)
[08:37] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: there's just something about how smooth gnome looks compared to kde 3.4, but I do have high hopes for plasma
[08:37] <philipacamaniac> fonts, for example
[08:38] <philipacamaniac> The interface is a lot simpler (and yes, missing a lot of features), but simple is good
[08:38] <Tm_T> well, in breezy&KDE5.5b1 fonts look better
[08:39] <Tm_T> atl east here
[08:39] <Tm_T> err, I can write
[08:39] <philipacamaniac> haven't tried 3.5 but was getting there eventually
[08:39] <phoenixbyrd> how do I find out what version kde I have?
[08:39] <philipacamaniac> in any KDE application, go to Help -- > About KDE
[08:39] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: don't get me wrong, I love KDE
[08:40] <phoenixbyrd> ty, and ty for making me feel stupid... I should've thought of that :D
[08:40] <aseigo> philipacamaniac: i'm not trying to argue, i'm actually curious as to what you think =P
[08:42] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[08:42] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: I really like how the Gnome Places menu (is that what is called?) works
[08:42] <Tm_T> usability is one of those things you can argue, or take a lesson
[08:42] <phoenixbyrd> which is better.. kubuntu or suse 9.3?
[08:43] <philipacamaniac> heh, now that's a flameware question
[08:43] <phoenixbyrd> lol I try
[08:43] <philipacamaniac> kubuntu!!!
[08:43] <aseigo> philipacamaniac: what else?
[08:43] <aseigo> suse 9.3 is certainly far more polished than [k] ubuntu
[08:43] <phoenixbyrd> yea, looks like it, that's why I asked lol
[08:43] <aseigo> if you are looking for final product today, suse comes out ahead in most every way
[08:44] <aseigo> if you are looking to get on the train for something that will rival or perhaps even exceed suse within a couple releases, [k] ubuntu is probably a good bet
[08:44] <aseigo> it also depends on how allergic you are to rpm based OSes
[08:44] <ABRAXAS77> hi,I have ubuntu installed, how can i add kde?
[08:44] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: well, these have mostly been addressed, but for a while, Gnome had translucent rubberband selections, and thumbnails in Nautilus have a sweet shadow/border around them
[08:44] <phoenixbyrd> I prefer rpm's... I had to install it yesterday lol
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> asiego: KDE has some of that as of 3.4.2, and it is probably better in 3.5 (again, I'm not running 3.5 yet, so I shouldn't even be complaining)
[08:46] <_patrick> im back - and that didnt work i still had to enable both things throught the gui's
[08:46] <philipacamaniac> ABRAXAS77: sudo apt-get install kde
[08:46] <ABRAXAS77> philipacamaniac,  its will install the last version? (i have the ubuntu installed now,recently,in this moment)
[08:46] <ABRAXAS77> philipacamaniac,  and i dont know if my sources.list are right
[08:47] <vicks_> do you guys think that apps like autopackage or klik will be the way to install apps in the feature?
[08:47] <philipacamaniac> ABRAXAS77: if you are running hoary, doing a sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get install kde will give you KDE 3.4 (I'm pretty sure)
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> ABRAXAS77 if you are running Breezy, it will give you KDE 3.4.2
[08:48] <ABRAXAS77> philipacamaniac,  thank u very much
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> ABRAXAS77: now if you want not just KDE but a Kubuntu Desktop, install kubuntu-desktop instead
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> that gives you all the kubuntu default settings and such
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> if you want vanilla kde, go with the kde package.
[08:49] <_patrick> any other ideas as to what my problem is? those changes made no difference
[08:49] <ABRAXAS77> philipacamaniac,  the packages kde are not aviables
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: I'm a KDE zealot especially when it comes to advertising how KDE4 will be amazing, so I'm on your side dude, and keep the great work, oh and I WANT AN OXYGEN PREVIEW FROM PINHEIRO! (just kidding)
[08:51] <philipacamaniac> ABRAXAS77: that's right vanilla kde is universe - I recommend kubuntu-desktop
[08:51] <juanmabajanube> philipacamaniac,  this is my computer with ubuntu (im abraxas77)
[08:51] <philipacamaniac> That is really how the Ubuntu developers designed it
[08:52] <juanmabajanube> philipacamaniac,  but i need download the iso?
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> no, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> _patrick: wait for Breezy to be released in a week, and then you should be better off
[08:53] <juanmabajanube> philipacamaniac,  thank u very much,is downloading
[08:53] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone know why amarok 1.3.2 isn't in breezy although it has been packaged by Riddell ?
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> _elvirolo: if you still want to disable kde wallet, i can tell you
[08:54] <Riddell> spiral: upstream version freeze
[08:54] <Riddell> spiral: I backported alsasink, but you'll have to do without the fancy new volume control
[08:54] <spiral> Riddell: sniff :-/
[08:55] <philipacamaniac> hey, this is what grumpy groundhog will be good for - crazies who want the newest feature in every application :)
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: you packaged amaroK 1.3.2 somewhere?
[08:58] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> excellent
[08:58] <Tm_T> svn <3
[08:58] <_patrick> ok i'll wait - will i have to reinstall or can i just use kynaptic?
[08:59] <spiral> Riddell: and for the version numbers, are they 2:1.3.2 or still 1.3.2 ?
[08:59] <spiral> Riddell: because aptitude would really like to "upgrade" with 2:1.3.1, which I sure don't want
[09:00] <Riddell> spiral: it's still 2:1.3.2
[09:00] <spiral> Riddell: the one I got a few days ago said 1.3.2, not 2:1.3.2, did you update it ?
[09:00] <Riddell> kubuntu amarok has always had an epoch
[09:01] <spiral> Riddell: yeah, but I downloaded it from this adress, and it was 1.3.2...
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> _patrick - you can use kynaptic - you'll need to change your repos to breezy rather than hoary
[09:02] <_patrick> i might to a full reinstall becasue my partition table is stupid but anyway.
[09:03] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> _patrick good idea
[09:03] <_patrick> thanks for the help - im off
[09:03] <Riddell> that amarok package is broken anyway
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: so is there a special trick to getting proprietary codecs (mp3, etc.) working using Gstreamer?
[09:05] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: install all the gstreamer0.8- packages from universe and multiverse
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> oh - as simple as that. why didn't 0.8 make it to main - legal issues?
[09:05] <spiral> Riddell: it still tells me 1.3.2 & not 2:1.3.2 anyway
[09:06] <Riddell> spiral: yes, strange
[09:07] <philipacamaniac> DAMN - i took over an hour compiling wine 20050930 and it still won't install IE (an evil but required component for running windows apps)
[09:10] <dynex> yo yo
[09:18] <elvirolo> aseigo: i still haven't found how to diable kwallet :-D
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> elvirolo: Kmenu - run - kwalletmanager
[09:19] <Tm_T> hmm, arts is bit crashy
[09:20] <aseigo> elvirolo: dude, i just search for wallet in kcontrol on kubuntu and guess what popped up?
[09:20] <elvirolo> philipacamaniac: it's apparently not installed
[09:20] <elvirolo> aseigo: i know, i tried that, but it doesn't show up
[09:20] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: there is no kcontrol in breezy, we use systemsettings because we're silly
[09:20] <aseigo> philipacamaniac: yeah, that is silly =(
[09:21] <philipacamaniac> well, it is here but we don't use it by default
[09:21] <elvirolo> philipacamaniac: kcontrol is installed though :)
[09:21] <philipacamaniac> kwalletmanager didn't bring anything up?
[09:21] <philipacamaniac> cuz that's the name of the app
[09:22] <elvirolo> philipacamaniac: nope :(
[09:22] <philipacamaniac> how about this, locate:/wallet
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> rather, locate:/kwallet
[09:23] <elvirolo> nopte
[09:24] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: systemsettings is a little friendlier than kcontrol, you should have a look
[09:24] <_mathias_> hello
[09:24] <elvirolo> i didn't know of the locate: kioslave
[09:24] <philipacamaniac> okay do it in a konsole
[09:24] <philipacamaniac> locate kio comes with breezy
[09:24] <elvirolo> it's great
[09:25] <elvirolo> i get include files and various libs
[09:25] <aseigo> philipacamaniac: i have. it sucks. the qt4 based version that icefox is working is much better
[09:26] <Blissex> elvirolo: lets say a _lot_ of things are undocumented. But using 'kcmshell ioslaveinfo' it is possible to get an idea of which ones are around.
[09:27] <elvirolo> Blissex: great thanks
[09:27] <elvirolo> fantastic
[09:27] <Blissex> tragically AFAIK the 'kcmshell ioslaveinfo' trick is undocumented, and is not listed by 'kcmshell --list. But it is indirectly accessible via the 'kcontrol'.
[09:28] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: good to hear. hopefully someone will not forget to have vertical scrollbars in that one.
[09:28] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: resolutions under 1024x768 get mighty hard when you can't hit apply
[09:28] <elvirolo> actually, i tried to install the njb: kioslave on my mom's laptop, but it doesn't seem to work
[09:29] <philipacamaniac> elvirolo: /usr/bin/kwalletmanager
[09:29] <philipacamaniac> if you don't have it, then you don't have the kwallet
[09:29] <elvirolo> strange, i ALWAYS have problems with my kmenu : many entries don't appear ... i tried everything : reinstalling the system, deleting ~/.kde, etc ...
[09:30] <elvirolo> philipacamaniac: no i don't have it
[09:30] <elvirolo> philipacamaniac: but kwalletmanager shows up when i use kopete
[09:31] <philipacamaniac> elvirolo: ??? eh, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kwalletmanager
[09:31] <philipacamaniac> that way you can disable it (?)
[09:31] <SSJ> elvirolo:Does kwalletmanager itself show up when you use kopete, or just a warning saying that it couldn't store your password, and asking if you want to store in "unsafe"?
[09:31] <elvirolo> that's a bit paradoxical : installing it in order to disable it ...
[09:32] <elvirolo> SSJ: you're right, in fact it is just that particular dialog
[09:33] <SSJ> elvirolo:Mystery solved, then - you don't have it installed :)
[09:33] <philipacamaniac> %|
[09:33] <elvirolo> now i have
[09:33] <elvirolo> :-D
[09:33] <SSJ> :D
[09:34] <elvirolo> how do i disable it though ,
[09:34] <elvirolo> ?
[09:34] <ubuntu> is there a possibilty to redo some of the hardware scanning functions of the installation process?
[09:35] <SSJ> elvirolo:What do you want to disable, exactly?
[09:35] <philipacamaniac> elvirolo: open it (kwalletmanager) and go to settings -> configure 
[09:35] <kkathman> good day all :)
[09:35] <qos> hi
[09:35] <elvirolo> SSJ: well, i just want it to remember my password without asking me all the time if I DO want to store it
[09:36] <SSJ> elvirolo:Is there no "Don't ask me again" checkbox on the dialogue?
[09:36] <elvirolo> SSJ: yeah, but it keeps on asking me
[09:36] <elvirolo> brb (i'll check)
[09:38] <elvirolo> cool it works now i've diabled it
[09:38] <elvirolo> thanks :)
[09:38] <juanmabajanube> philipacamaniac, i installed the kubuntu-desktop,now what i need to do to get kde?,just put exec startkde in the .xinitrc?
[09:38] <SSJ> elvirolo:Cool :)
[09:38] <elvirolo> thanks guys :)
[09:39] <philipacamaniac> juanmabajanube: are you running GDM?
[09:40] <philipacamaniac> GDM should give KDE as a session option
[09:40] <juanmabajanube> philipacamaniac,  i did choose kdm...
[09:40] <juanmabajanube> SHIT!!!!!!
[09:40] <philipacamaniac> okay, kdm should also
[09:40] <juanmabajanube> i tought kdm i need
[09:40] <juanmabajanube> ah
[09:40] <juanmabajanube> good
[09:41] <juanmabajanube> philipacamaniac,  so ,the next time ill restart the computer
[09:41] <juanmabajanube> kde will start instead gnome?
[09:41] <philipacamaniac> The KDM will startup, and you can choose a GNOME session or KDE session
[09:42] <juanmabajanube> thank u,ill go to test,brb
[09:43] <phoenixbyrd> where can I get beagle?
[09:44] <philipacamaniac> phoenixbyrd: breezy universe
[09:44] <phoenixbyrd> what's that?
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> as in, if you're running Breezy (development release) you can install it from the Universe repository
[09:46] <antibush> philipacamaniac, ...when i start the x says "kubuntu",ask for me user and passwd,but appear gnome
[09:46] <phoenixbyrd> I don't remember which release I installed, how do I check?
[09:46] <qos> is there a possibilty to redo some of the hardware scanning functions of the installation process?
[09:47] <philipacamaniac> phoenixbyrd: http://beaglewiki.org/Ubuntu_Installation
[09:47] <phoenixbyrd> ty
[09:48] <philipacamaniac> antibush: did you choose a kde session?
[09:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:48] <phoenixbyrd> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock ... will a restart fix that, or can I do without restarting? 
[09:49] <antibush> philipacamaniac,  where?
[09:50] <philipacamaniac> phoenixbyrd: that means you have kynaptic/synaptic/adept open, and it has locked dpkg. Close any running apps.
[09:50] <philipacamaniac> antibush: brb
[09:50] <phoenixbyrd> yea, trying to kill them now, but it won't let me
[09:51] <phoenixbyrd> nvm, figured it out
[09:51] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: I finally restarted. installing the updated kubuntu-artwork-usplash now seems to have successfully replaced the original ubuntu artwork. Thanks.
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> antibush: go to the login screen
[09:52] <Riddell> awooga
[09:56] <AntiBush> philipacamaniac,  thank u very much,works!
[09:57] <philipacamaniac> AntiBush: cool
[09:59] <elvirolo> is krdc meant ot appear in kmenu?
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> it should be there, yes
[10:00] <elvirolo> hum it's not in mine :(
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> elvirolo: i would just manually add it. the alternative is to delete ~/.kde and reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[10:03] <elvirolo> philipacamaniac: yeah but then all my settings/menu entries will disappear, won't they N
[10:04] <philipacamaniac> yes, so as i said, just manually add it to the menu
[10:05] <patoruso> hi, anyone speaks spanish? i need help about partitions
[10:05] <AntiBush> patoruso,  me
[10:05] <AntiBush> patoruso,  tell me
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: does adept have an icon yet? also, I noticed a few days ago that it was showing up in both the System and Utility menus.
[10:07] <philipacamaniac> whoops gtg, I'll be back
[10:08] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: yes, both fixed thanks
[10:10] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: thanks
[10:42] <Jeevan> anyone know of any USB microphones that work in linux?
[10:44] <Vectrox> Jeevan: Plantronics Audio 90 microphone works
[10:45] <Vectrox> Headset
[10:49] <jcoruna> anyone able to install w32codecs for AMD64?
[10:53] <PaloDeQueso> I'm really trying to get my laptop wireless working for all cases of wifi, and I've come to my friends house and I want to connect, they have a linksys router and they're using 64bit wep encryption, they just gave me this string of characters as their wep key that is 16 chars long and composed of letters and number, and it is NOT hex. Perhaps someone can tell me how to enter this with iwconfig?
[10:58] <dr0m1n4d0> alguem fale portugues??'
[10:59] <PaloDeQueso> no
[10:59] <dr0m1n4d0> espanhol?
[10:59] <PaloDeQueso> not really
[10:59] <PaloDeQueso> no mas
[10:59] <dr0m1n4d0> fdx
[10:59] <PaloDeQueso> huh?
[11:02] <dr0m1n4d0> you are emglish?
[11:02] <dr0m1n4d0> im note speak english very well
[11:02] <dr0m1n4d0> and i have problem in the kubuntu
[11:02] <dr0m1n4d0> so i need help to configure
[11:03] <dr0m1n4d0> msn and irc chat
[11:03] <dr0m1n4d0> can you help me?
[11:03] <Chousuke> Maybe someone can.
[11:03] <Chousuke> But I have to go to sleep.
[11:03] <dr0m1n4d0> sleep
[11:03] <Chousuke> Just ask your question.
[11:03] <dr0m1n4d0> its hurly
[11:03] <Chousuke> early? not here. :)
[11:03] <gstrock> got a question:  on the install cd it asks which kernel do you want: linux-386, linux-image-386, or linux-image-2.6.12.9-386.  What's the difference?
[11:03] <dr0m1n4d0> its 22:03
[11:03] <Chousuke> 00:03 here.
[11:04] <dr0m1n4d0> linux-386
[11:04] <Chousuke> Do you speak Spanish? if so, try joining #ubuntu-es
[11:04] <dr0m1n4d0> fala pa frente
[11:04] <bazan> [[KDE] ] 
[11:04] <gstrock> why just linux-386?
[11:04] <dr0m1n4d0> sou portugues percebo espanhol
[11:04] <Chousuke> I don't speak spanish or portuguese :/
[11:05] <Chousuke> but there are channels for different languages.
[11:05] <rikva> !es ?
[11:05] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:06] <dr0m1n4d0> ok 
[11:06] <dr0m1n4d0> go to bed
[11:19] <mornfall> Riddell: hmm, will you make a 1.0 upload before release?
[11:19] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[11:19] <mornfall> Riddell: i have a one-liner patch (trivial cosmetic fix) plus version change, i'd say
[11:20] <Riddell> mornfall: well we can do it tonight in which case it might get into the kubuntu release candiadate or we can wait and do it after RC
[11:20] <Riddell> I think waiting is better to give it some time
[11:20] <mornfall> Riddell: yes, me too
[11:20] <mornfall> Riddell: RC for RC
[11:22] <mornfall> Riddell: (unless something grave pops up, i won't change libapt-front -- and for adept, i will confine the changes to only either very trivial or critical fixes)
[11:23] <aseigo> Riddell: for hoary, is amarok coming only on kubuntu, or is it being included in ubuntu as well?
[11:23] <Riddell> mornfall: cool
[11:23] <Riddell> aseigo: for breezy only kubuntu will have amarok
[11:23] <Riddell> no space on ubuntu for kdelibs 
[11:23] <aseigo> ah, ok... looking through my notes i realized that was one of the questions i didn't get clarified from jorge's talk
[11:23] <Riddell> what did he say about amarok?
[11:31] <enigman> hi all!
[11:32] <enigman> anyone think breezy is stable enough to upgrade?
[11:33] <Blissex> enigman: several people do, but what's the point -- wait a few days.
[11:33] <enigman> thank you! when will be the DAY? :)
[11:34] <_chavo> enigman, the 13th
[11:34] <enigman> uuuu... it sounds great!
[11:34] <_chavo> yep, just over a week away.
[11:35] <enigman> yesss... but maybe its a good idea to waitmore, no? 'cause maybe when all the people upgrade more errors will be found probably in the earlu days..
[11:36] <enigman> what do you think?
[11:36] <enigman> because I don't want to mess my server ..jeje
[11:36] <philipacamaniac> there are updates/bugfixes constantly being prepared: you should wait till the release for a server
[11:36] <Blissex> enigman: that sounds pretty wise.
[11:37] <_chavo> yes I would wait if I were you. I'm waiting myself.
[11:37] <enigman> ok.. very nice! I want to discover the new release! :):):):)
[11:46] <Blissex> enigman: there is a release candidate LiveCD for breezy IIRC.
[11:46] <cddesjar> is it still necessary to have the kde3.5 beta sources in my sources.list...i.e. will they be updated this or is it no longer necessary?
[11:55] <delltony> question when installing kubuntu breezy i get the following error can't install initd tools. I installed winblows first on one partition and left the rest of the hd unallocated and went to install breezy on there this is how i'm having the issue when trying to install the base system.
[11:55] <delltony> any help would be great (or ideas i should say) i'm on another computer but taking notes and ideas