[12:19] <jbailey> hyperactivecrond: Do you mean for breezy or for dapper?
[12:21] <hyperactivecrond> what's dapper/
[12:22] <hyperactivecrond> nvm
[12:23] <kbrooks> hyperactivecrond: dapper == next version of ubuntu after breezy
[12:23] <hyperactivecrond> eerr.... i'll do breezy next
[12:23] <hyperactivecrond> oops
[12:23] <hyperactivecrond> s/next/now
[12:28] <jbailey> hyperactivecrond: Breezy may be harder, since it's so close to release.
[12:28] <kbrooks> whats a string freeze
[12:29] <jbailey> It's the point at which no visible text can change in Ubuntu so that Translators can translate it.
[12:29] <hyperactivecrond> i guess i'll do dapper
[12:29] <hyperactivecrond> how far are we along with dapper? /me checks wiki
[12:29] <kbrooks> jbailey: visible text?
[12:30] <hyperactivecrond> kbrooks: the docs
[12:30] <hyperactivecrond> can't change
[12:30] <kbrooks> hyperactivecrond: docs on the wiki?
[12:30] <jbailey> Things like the "File, Edit, Bookmarks"
[12:30] <jbailey> Any message that pops up and tells you something.
[12:30] <jbailey> Basically any text you see displayed to you.
[12:30] <kbrooks> erm, the ubuntu wiki
[12:31] <hyperactivecrond> kbrooks: yep
[12:31] <hyperactivecrond> i think
[12:31] <kbrooks> hyperactivecrond: no...
[12:31] <kbrooks> grr...
[12:31] <kbrooks> THE ubuntu wiki
[12:32] <kbrooks> THIS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[12:32] <hyperactivecrond> kbrooks: chill
[12:32] <hyperactivecrond> not necessarily on the wiki but on the actual ubuntu-docs part
[12:33] <hyperactivecrond> so... it's gonna take 2 years to build 'drake then...
[07:10] <MadpilotPPC> hi Burgundavia 
[07:10] <Burgundavia> salut MadpilotPPC 
[07:10] <Burgundavia> working 12 hours a day sucks
[07:10] <MadpilotPPC> how'd you manage that?
[07:10] <Burgundavia> two jobs
[07:10] <Burgundavia> started today with Userful
[07:11] <Burgundavia> still working at Booster Juice
[07:11] <MadpilotPPC> congratulations - what's Userful like?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> interesting
[07:12] <MadpilotPPC> good-intersting or hmm-interesting-interesting?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> good-interesting
[07:13] <MadpilotPPC> what exactly are you goning to be doing?
[07:15] <Burgundavia> sales
[07:16] <MadpilotPPC> locally or travelling?
[07:16] <Burgundavia> but later I will probably get a carte blanche to do whatever I want
[07:16] <Burgundavia> locally, but with travel
[07:16] <MadpilotPPC> that sounds potentially entertaining...
[07:17] <MadpilotPPC> they're going to give you time off for UBZ?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:17] <Burgundavia> part of the deal of me starting there
[07:18] <MadpilotPPC> very cool.
[07:18] <MadpilotPPC> you free tomorrow night to come put a dent in Tony's beer supply?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:20] <Burgundavia> friday night I am though
[07:21] <MadpilotPPC> cool - that's the last night I've got this place, too - Tony & mob get back Saturday afternoon sometime
[07:23] <jsgotangco> what does userful and booster juice do?
[07:23] <jsgotangco> and what do you do there exactly
[07:23] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, at booster juice I make juice and smoothies
[07:23] <Burgundavia> userful sells multiseat linux
[07:24] <Burgundavia> MadpilotPPC, interesting, GVPL is the largest deployment of useful so far
[07:24] <MadpilotPPC> good for us. I knew we were early adopters, but not that we were the biggest customer!
[07:24] <jsgotangco> i'd like to be a barista for once...
[07:25] <jsgotangco> hmmm userful looks interesting
[07:26] <MadpilotPPC> it's pretty slick, actually. One tower supporting up to six terminals, each with a floppy drive and access to the CD burner on the tower.
[07:27] <Burgundavia> sadly non-free
[07:27] <MadpilotPPC> actually, more than six. Our largest cluster is 8, and it seems the website claims up to 10 per tower
[07:29] <jsgotangco> is this like xen????
[07:35] <MadpilotPPC> jsgotangco, no idea what's going on in the guts of these things...
[07:36] <jsgotangco> voodoo
[07:36] <jsgotangco> very sure of that
[07:36] <MadpilotPPC> that's what's happening in the guts of *every* computer, though ;)
[07:37] <MadpilotPPC> the ones that run ten terminals from one tower just have extra-heavy voodoo!
[07:38] <Burgundavia> it is basically a hacked multiseat
[07:39] <Burgundavia> all the foo is done at the X level
[07:40] <jsgotangco> so you're going to sell voodoo crack
[07:41] <Burgundavia> no, I am selling non-free voodoo crack
[07:42] <MadpilotPPC> even better... hey, it's got to be better than selling fancy fruit shakes, yeah?
[07:42] <jsgotangco> its business its their right if they want to be non-free
[07:42] <Burgundavia> and I am going to have to hammer out my work regarding Ubuntu, as they see Ubuntu as a potentional competitor
[07:42] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, indeed
[07:42] <Burgundavia> MadpilotPPC, yes
[07:42] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, send them your ubuntu business card
[07:42] <jsgotangco> heheh
[07:42] <Burgundavia> they are selling something that libraries (their primary customers) need
[07:43] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:43] <jsgotangco> i;ve read about this before
[07:43] <jsgotangco> at first they targetted the academe
[07:44] <MadpilotPPC> Userful has open-sourced some of their stuff, it looks like... http://userful.com/products/pre-book
[07:46] <Burgundavia> ya
[07:46] <Burgundavia> note that that is simply the client
[07:46] <Burgundavia> actually pretty useless
[07:47] <MadpilotPPC> hey, it's a start on getting more opensourced stuff from Userful...
[07:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:52] <Burgundavia> god Heinz ketchup is sweet
[07:52] <Burgundavia> it tastes like sugary tomato
[08:27] <mdke> morning
[08:27] <jsgotangco> hey mdke 
[08:27] <MadpilotPPC> evening, mdke 
[08:27] <mdke> sup?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> bug squashing
[08:27] <mdke> great
[08:28] <mdke> i'm dist-upgrading my girlfriend's computer
[08:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, PM
[08:28] <jsgotangco> lots of old documentation bugs in bugzilla that needs to be closed/reviewed
[08:28] <mdke> how are the current bugs getting on?
[08:28] <mdke> about ubuntu css, faqguide entities etc
[08:28] <jsgotangco> well the problem is that i can't change the status
[08:28] <jsgotangco> ahh the entities
[08:28] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:29] <jsgotangco> it looks really bad on FF
[08:29] <mdke> the bugs are all open :)
[08:29] <jsgotangco> mdke, and our qa is the list itself
[08:29] <mdke> actually I tend to just assign them straght to jeff
[08:30] <jsgotangco> yes that's what we've done to some bugs a few hours ago
[08:30] <mdke> bet he's happy :)
[08:30] <jsgotangco> we'll have a ball during the merge in a few weeks
[08:30] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, any idea how that is going to happen?
[08:30] <Burgundavia> are they going to mass import from bugzilla?
[08:31] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, the merge?
[08:31] <mdke> should be easy for us
[08:31] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ya
[08:31] <mdke> there are alread some bugs open in malone on ubuntu-docs :)
[08:31] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, no idea yet, but ubuntu-docs itself shouldn't be in malone really
[08:32] <mdke> ?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> no
[08:32] <mdke> why not?
[08:32] <jsgotangco> mdke, because its a main package
[08:32] <Burgundavia> it should target the actual doc
[08:32] <mdke> i thought everything is moving there?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, that is not a big deal
[08:32] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, with the switch coming so soon..
[08:32] <jsgotangco> i don't think the switch will be happening till dapper
[08:33] <Burgundavia> yes, but we will switch once dapper opens
[08:33] <jsgotangco> we still have enrico zini and mako bugs open
[08:33] <jsgotangco> around 22 total
[08:33] <jsgotangco> (not that much really)
[08:39] <robitaille> that's a nice picture of Canonical One: http://picavia.foxalpha.com/picture.php?Airport=27&id=3376&size=M
[08:40] <MadpilotPPC> shiny airplane... nice. Several million dollars worth of nice...
[08:40] <jsgotangco> hmm its a bombardier
[08:41] <MadpilotPPC> Made In Canada ;)
[08:41] <jsgotangco> i didnt konw hbd was a bombardier
[08:41] <jsgotangco> the hbd logo is a big obscure
[08:41] <jsgotangco> but familiar if one sees it
[08:41] <robitaille> http://www.netsplit.com/travel/2005/australia/canonical-one/canonical-one-021.html
[08:42] <robitaille> has a closeup of the tail
[08:42] <jsgotangco> wonder how much is the fuel of that thing
[08:42] <mdke> ah damn the dist-upgrade has crashed synaptic
[08:42] <jsgotangco> rob^, yep that's it alright
[08:42] <MadpilotPPC> if the caption information on that picavia site is right, that's not Canonical-1 - the reg isn't right
[08:43] <jsgotangco> MadpilotPPC, yeah but the tail is HBD
[08:43] <MadpilotPPC> meh... my bad, it is too. 
[08:43] <Burgundavia> mdke, I had my laptop power off during a kernel upgrade. I was lucky it came back up
[08:43] <MadpilotPPC> I thought the actual reg # contained "HBD"
[08:44] <robitaille> MadpilotPPC,  I think its a lease, so that's probably why the registration info seems a bit weird
[08:44] <Burgundavia> MadpilotPPC, did you know that the Royal Hudson ended service in 2001?
[08:44] <Burgundavia> robitaille, an exclusive lease however
[08:45] <MadpilotPPC> Burgundavia, I knew it had ended... too bad.
[08:45] <jsgotangco> wonder how much those things cost to maintain everyday...
[08:45] <MadpilotPPC> fairly serious $$$
[08:45] <Burgundavia> MadpilotPPC, seems they had a problem with breaking locos
[08:45] <MadpilotPPC> Burgundavia, they were/are antiques... still too bad it's not running
[08:47] <jsgotangco> hmm makes sense to lease a plane rather than own it
[08:47] <MadpilotPPC> leasing still involves fairly serious money, though
[08:48] <jsgotangco> well it only shows his pockets are much deeper than ours
[08:50] <Burgundavia> quite
[08:50] <MadpilotPPC> I rent Cessnas... those are expensive enough! ;)
[08:50] <HrdwrBob> rent a learjet
[08:51] <MadpilotPPC> fat chance
[08:52] <MadpilotPPC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DefaultHomePage  <-- just noticed this going past in RecentChanges - I like the idea
[08:54] <mdke> what is it?
[08:54] <mdke> (no browser)
[08:55] <Burgundavia> mdke, a proposal for a useful default FF homepage
[08:55] <Burgundavia> unlike the current text mash
[08:55] <mdke> aha
[08:55] <mdke> the default homepage should be fridge.ubuntu.com IMO
[08:55] <mdke> :)
[08:55] <Burgundavia> my thoughts exactly
[08:56] <jsgotangco> guys not all people have a working internet at the start
[08:56] <mdke> jsgotangco, it's an internet browser!!!!!!!!!
[08:56] <MadpilotPPC> inspired by the various default pages used by the browsers themselves - the FF/Moz/Google startpage, etc
[08:56] <mdke> this local file crap is insane
[08:56] <mdke> people won't use it unless they have internet
[08:56] <jsgotangco> i'd rather have something local
[08:56] <mdke> because it is in the "internet" section of the menu
[08:57] <HrdwrBob> I don't understand how people can use COMPUTERS without a connection to the internet
[08:57] <mdke> lol
[08:57] <HrdwrBob> IMHO 'twould be best if at config time if it has any network connection
[08:57] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I understand where you are coming from
[08:57] <HrdwrBob> use frige, otherwise, use the local file
[08:58] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we live in parts of the world where internet is 1)cheap 2)fast 3)reliable
[08:58] <mdke> that's not why i'm saying it
[08:58] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, yes but half of the globe still doesn't have decent internet (we do though)
[08:58] <mdke> i don't think everyone should have internet
[08:58] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, yes
[08:58] <mdke> but people should only use firefox if they have internet, or develop web pages
[08:58] <jsgotangco> that's why the CDs are shipped in the first place
[08:59] <HrdwrBob> is it possible to do this with some javascript or something?
[08:59] <HrdwrBob> I don't think so
[09:01] <Burgundavia> ngith all
[09:02] <jsgotangco> oh cool i have edit privs on bugzilla now
[09:03] <poningru> guys question
[09:03] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[09:03] <poningru> shouldnt 1. come as a pre-upgrade warning
[09:03] <poningru> err not warning but you know what I mean
[09:03] <jsgotangco> err who did this?
[09:03] <poningru> ?
[09:04] <poningru> oh edit privs nm
[09:10] <jsgotangco> mdke, #9082 doesn't existing in breezy
[09:23] <jsgotangco> lol i received spam email from Mr. Abdul Jabar
[09:23] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:23] <jsgotangco> surely not Kareem Abdul Jabar though
[09:29] <jsgotangco> hmmm ubuntu-docs is 10MB?
[10:32] <Kinnison> Morning
[10:34] <jsgotangco> hi Kinnison 
[10:54] <rob^> ?
[10:54] <Kinnison> hi jsgotangco 
[10:54] <jsgotangco> hey rob^ what's with the ?
[10:55] <rob^> I just noticed you mentioned my name before
[10:55] <jsgotangco> oh i've totally forgotten about it..its probably this morning
[10:56] <rob^> yeah about two hours ago, I think it was just a typo
[10:58] <jsgotangco> man that about ubuntu in firefox is butt ugly
[10:58] <rob^> yeah?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:13] <rob^> new ubuntu-docs package
[11:13] <rob^> there is still a page missing from the faq though
[11:13] <jsgotangco> dude its 10MB
[11:14] <rob^> the package or the faq?
[11:14] <jsgotangco> the package
[11:14] <jsgotangco> wonder why it came to 10mb
[11:15] <rob^> well the page that is missing should already be in the xml file for the faq guide in branch, it just isn't displaying in yelp for some reason
[11:16] <rob^> 10mb does seem large though, maybe that includes all the other non distro docs too
[11:17] <jsgotangco> oh no
[11:17] <jsgotangco> that's only ubuntu-docs
[11:17] <rob^> well what can I say? I just couldn't stop writing ;P
[11:18] <jsgotangco> did the faqguide have images?
[11:18] <rob^> no
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm wonder what those italian docs have that contained images
[11:18] <rob^> it had a few example files, but they were only text files (nothing big)
[02:21] <jjesse> ok just committed everything that i had in trunk to branches/breezy so those are ready for updated packages
[02:43] <jbailey> jjesse: Thanks for KDE?
[02:43] <jbailey> s/Thanks/Thats/ =)
[02:43] <jbailey> (But thanks, too! *g*)
[02:50] <jjesse> yup for kde
[02:50] <jjesse> sorry was afk working :)
[02:50] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:50] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco 
[02:51] <jsgotangco> there's a TB meeting later right?
[02:55] <jjesse> tb?
[02:56] <jsgotangco> technical board
[03:01] <jdub> hmm
[03:01] <jdub> dudes
[03:01] <jdub> i'm doing some initial category icons for the fridge
[03:02] <jdub> would you prefer a life preserver or a big fat book for the doc team icon?
[03:02] <jdub> not necessarily permanent, we can change at any time
[03:02] <jdub> the fat book is the gdict icon
[03:03] <jsgotangco> hmmm i like the life preserver
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> fwiw, id go with the book :|
[03:04] <jsgotangco> what is the motu icon? hehe
[03:04] <jdub> jsgotangco: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/taxonomy/term/24
[03:04] <jdub> haven't got an icon for the motu team yet
[03:05] <jdub> nor kernel team
[03:05] <jsgotangco> hmm on second thought..the life preserver does not connect at all...
[03:05] <jdub> might use tux for it
[03:05] <jdub> jsgotangco: perhaps we should do a book with a life preserver emblem on it
[03:05] <jsgotangco> yeah that would be better
[03:06] <jdub> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/gnome-help.png on a book
[03:07] <jsgotangco> mmm not bad
[03:07] <jsgotangco> not to big, not too small
[03:14] <jjesse> did everyone see mark shuttleworth's wiki entry on slashdot yesterday?
[03:15] <jsgotangco> heh i read it a few minutes after he pressed "save"
[03:20] <jbailey> jdub: Teams get icons? =)
[03:21] <jbailey> jdub: I feel behind.  I've never bothered trying to make a hackergotchi even.
[03:21] <jsgotangco> same here
[03:21] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:21] <jdub> jbailey: slack :)
[03:35] <jjesse> whats a hackergotchi?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> jjesse: its that face icon in blogs
[03:36] <jsgotangco> like in planet gnome / planet ubuntu
[03:36] <jjesse> oh
[03:36] <jsgotangco> sometimes its a face, sometimes a full body shot
[04:14] <jdub> jjesse: it's described well in wikipedia :-)
[04:15] <jjesse> was too lazy to look it up
[04:19] <jsgotangco> hey mr. mgalvin
[04:20] <mgalvin> hey jsgotangco
[04:20] <mgalvin> hows things
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ahh just cleaning up
[04:20] <jsgotangco> we've uploaded docs as well
[04:21] <mgalvin> cool, i've been so bust lately, barely time to breath
[04:21] <mgalvin> s/bust/busy/
[04:21] <jsgotangco> no worries =)
[04:22] <jsgotangco>  Wikipedia does not yet have a page called Jeff Waugh. Would you like to search for Jeff Waugh in Wikipedia?
[04:22] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:23] <jsgotangco> bleah im going to sleep early
[04:23] <jsgotangco> night
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> ngiht
[06:24] <jjesse> please don't update the kreleasenotes into a package or anything
[06:24] <jjesse> i spoke with Riddell  today and have major changes to it to make before it is ready to go
[06:24] <jjesse> thanks
[06:24] <mdke> jjesse, we haven't touched the kubuntu docs
[06:24] <mdke> packaging is still being done by Sean afaik
[06:25] <jjesse> oh
[06:25] <Riddell> I havn't heard form sean in a while
[06:26] <Riddell> we kinday need a new upload right after RC
[06:27] <mdke> i see
[06:27] <mdke> not a lot that I can do to help I'm afraid
[06:27] <mdke> i don't know packaging
[06:29] <jjesse> i think jbailey mentioned something last night w/ me about working on packaging thigns up
[06:29] <jjesse> which is why i moved all my changes over to branches/breezy from trunk/kde
[06:29] <mdke> good
[06:29] <mdke> best contact sean to liase that
[06:31] <Riddell> the prepdeb.sh script seems to expect a debian directory, any idea where that is jjesse ?
[06:32] <jjesse> Riddell: packaging is a little beyond me, i have no idea how sean set things up :(
[06:32] <jjesse> i guess i can learn how to package
[06:32] <Riddell> well somewhere abouts there must be a debian directory, just need to find it
[06:32] <jbailey> jjesse: I can help with packaging. =)
[06:32] <jbailey> jjesse: What do you need?
[06:33] <Riddell> jbailey: the debian directory for the kubuntu docs
[06:33] <jbailey> In svn or from the current uploaded package?
[06:33] <Riddell> svn
[06:33] <jbailey> The svn doesn't really handle kubuntu well.  It's clear to me if the ubuntu-docs source package should also upload kubuntu-docs
[06:33] <jbailey> Like, how much will there be in common with everything else?
[06:34] <Riddell> we need sean to answer that
[06:34] <mdke> correct
[06:35] <Riddell> ah hah, /repos/trunk/kde/debian/
[06:35] <Riddell> that should be in branch as well
[06:35] <jjesse> pardon the stupid question but were the kubuntu docs setup vastlly different from the rest of the ubuntu docs?
[06:35] <mdke> yeah they have been set up a little differently
[06:36] <mdke> Riddell, none of the packaged stuff will be in the branch afaik, sean requested it be dealt with in trunk
[06:36] <mdke> on the basis that the string freeze was not going to apply to kubuntu docs
[06:37] <jjesse> well i made branches and trunk have the same information last night in regards to the docs i have worked on
[06:38] <jjesse> hence the large commits this morning
[06:38] <mdke> not the packaging though, just those docs
[06:38] <jjesse> correct mdke 
[06:39] <Riddell> can I get write access to the SVN?
[06:39] <mdke> Riddell, not easily, but jbailey has it
[06:39] <mdke> Riddell, elmo can give it
[06:41] <Riddell> jjesse has it too?
[06:41] <jjesse> Riddell: yes i have access to svn
[06:43] <jjesse> are there changes that i could make for you?
[06:43] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm just looking to see if I can get the packaging script to work
[06:49] <Riddell> jjesse: does the kuserguide compile?
[06:50] <jjesse> Riddell: 
[06:50] <jjesse> doh getting errors
[06:50] <jjesse> let me try and fix them
[06:51] <Riddell> looks like some broken angle bracket 
[06:51] <jjesse> http://pastebin.com/382823
[06:52] <Riddell> hmm, kqg not compiling either
[06:52] <Riddell> jjesse: that's the trouble
[06:54] <Riddell> mdke: can infinity grant SVN access?
[06:54] <mdke> not sure, maybe
[06:56] <jjesse> was hoping my docbook guide would come for the flight to seattle but looks like amazon is slow in shipping it
[07:01] <mdke> jbailey, mdz has given an answer on that string for the omf. It should be "Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide"
[07:01] <Riddell> jjesse: ccbyas.xml needs to have its DOCTYPE commented out like gpl.xml
[07:01] <jbailey> mdke: Lovely, I'll get it in after lunch.
[07:01] <jjesse> in which document?
[07:02] <mdke> jbailey, will rerunning the l10n script automatically change the translations too?
[07:02] <Riddell> jjesse: in common, to fix those errors with kug
[07:02] <jbailey> No, because I didn't run it against the OMFs.
[07:02] <jbailey> I could, though.
[07:02] <mdke> would be an idea
[07:03] <mdke> jbailey, otherwise the omf's will have the old string
[07:03] <Riddell> OMFs?
[07:03] <mdke> Riddell, they are the scrollkeeper registration files for Yelp
[07:03] <jbailey> WEll, I'd update them.
[07:03] <Riddell> ah.  gnome.  say no more :)
[07:03] <jbailey> But was that string trnaslatead?
[07:03] <mdke> jbailey, nope
[07:03] <jbailey> Riddell: Docbook is the bomb, dude.
[07:03] <jbailey> mdke: Ah, okay.
[07:04] <mdke> jbailey, but they need to be updated with the new string anyhow, but afaics your script does that
[07:04] <jbailey> I might run it through poxml love for About Ubuntu, though.
[07:04] <jbailey> Yup
[07:04] <mdke> cool
[07:04] <mdke> later
[07:05] <jjesse> ok i can get them to build though there are .pot's for those files does that screw things up?
[07:07] <jjesse> hold i messed up
[07:08] <jjesse> fixed my own problem
[07:10] <jjesse> Riddell: changed commited should be able to build now
[07:12] <Riddell> jjesse: tell me again why sean didn't want the debian directory in branch?
[07:13] <jjesse> Riddell: i have no clue what he did i started working on kubuntu docs just before he stopped and disappeared
[07:13] <jjesse> Riddell: i guess i don't understand why we can't put things in branch and just go on if he's not here supporting them
[07:13] <Riddell> jjesse: could you branch kde/debian then into breezy/kde
[07:13] <Riddell> if we're going to work in branch then it should all be done in branch
[07:14] <jjesse> ok someone might have to help me with the correct svn commands as i'm not the greatest at it
[07:14] <Riddell> I don't know either :)
[07:14] <Riddell> jbailey?
[07:14] <jjesse> mdke: can you help us out?
[07:17] <jjesse> brb
[07:20] <jjesse> sorry bout that
[07:25] <Riddell> jbailey: neither jbailey nor mdke are forthcoming with svn branching expertese
[07:25] <Riddell> jjesse: 
[07:25] <jjesse> hmm ok heading to website to look for help on how to copy files to different directory via svn
[07:27] <Riddell> it might be just a svn copy command dunno
[07:28] <Riddell> jjesse: do you think we can get aboutkubuntu, quickguide, releasenotes and userguide into a shape ready to ship?
[07:28] <jjesse> riddle i want to get aboutkubuntu, kqucikgudie and releasenotes ready to ship
[07:29] <jjesse> don't know if userguide will be ready but i can look into
[07:29] <jjesse> i'm leaving for seattle on friday for a week and will be !computer that entire time
[07:29] <jjesse> vacation w/ wife
[07:29] <jjesse> so i wan't to get kquickguide and kreleasenotes done before i leave
[07:29] <Riddell> jjesse: so friday is the deadline :)
[07:29] <jjesse> release canidate is when?
[07:30] <Riddell> jjesse: ok, we'll drop userguide for breezy
[07:30] <Riddell> jjesse: thursday
[07:30] <jjesse> ok i'll shoot for thursday
[07:31] <jjesse> sorry lost history aobut what needs to merge?
[07:31] <jjesse> what time on thursday as well?
[07:31] <jjesse> being only person doing these docs suck :(
[07:32] <Riddell> jjesse: kde/debian directory needs branched
[07:32] <jjesse> ok so according to doc svn merge kde/debian /branches/breezy/kde/debian should work
[07:32] <Riddell> jjesse: give it a shot
[07:33] <jjesse> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s03.html
[07:35] <Riddell> hmm, debian directory isn't there, don't know if that's a marge that's needed or a copy
[07:39] <jjesse> Riddell:  https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/kde/debian/  look correct?
[07:39] <Riddell> jjesse: rocking
[07:40] <Riddell> jings, it's enrico 
[07:40] <jjesse> cheer!!!
[07:41] <enrico> hi!!  Just back from Colombia
[07:41] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm going to sort out the packaging and upload whatever we have tonight, just so we have something that's vaugly up to date
[07:41] <jjesse> awesome
[07:48] <jjesse> Riddell: just got this from froud "the packages already work just use the script"
[07:48] <Riddell> not in branch they don't
[07:49] <Riddell> just needs small fixes though
[07:49] <Riddell> and with that CC file fixed we're sorted for packaging
[08:09] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i sent him back a message to talk w/ you directly
[08:29] <jbailey> Riddell: I'm back now, was eating lunch.
[08:30] <Riddell> jbailey: we sorted it :)
[08:30] <jjesse> Riddell: i think we sorted it out
[08:30] <jbailey> Riddell: Cool.
[08:30] <Riddell> well, jjesse sorted it being the star he is
[08:30] <jbailey> Riddell: Longer term, do you want kubuntu-docs generated from the same source as ubuntu-docs?
[08:30] <jbailey> I can do it simply enough, but I don't know if that complicates branding.
[08:30] <jbailey> Because then anyone branding Ubuntu or Kubuntu has to deal with extra crap.
[08:33] <Riddell> jbailey: I think I need to look at how the ubuntu docs are set up and how much of the content can be shared before answering that
[08:35] <Riddell> jjesse: patch for you to apply http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/docs.diff
[08:35] <jjesse> svn patch right?
[08:35] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[08:35] <jjesse> man i need to print off that help manual or something
[08:36] <Riddell> in branches/breezy/kde
[08:36] <Riddell> do patch -p0 < docs.diff
[08:37] <jbailey> Riddell: Fair enough, although given that we can't do it for breezy, it might be better to post the question of how it *should* be done.
[08:37] <jbailey> There's a common directory, a gnome directory, and a kde directory.
[08:37] <jjesse> i guess i would rather just have it be easiest
[08:37] <jbailey> Those could properly be renamed ubuntu and kubuntu.
[08:38] <jbailey> jjesse: Easiest is to assume that there's nothing in common between the two.
[08:38] <jbailey> Which at runtime is probably pretty accurate for any documentation that we're going to provide.
[08:38] <jbailey> I don't know if d-i differs at all.
[08:38] <Riddell> it doesn't
[08:39] <Riddell> but usplash screenshots would
[08:39] <jjesse> if it is simple and it seems like i'm one of the few doing kubuntu docs then icould maintain it
[08:39] <jbailey> jjesse: I'll be doing weekly snapshots of the ubuntu-docs anyway, I can trivially do snapshots of kubuntu-docs as well.
[08:39] <jjesse> jbailey:  that is fine
[08:39] <jbailey> Just off of whatever bzr or svn is published.
[08:40] <jbailey> Is the Kubuntu docs also done in docbook?
[08:40] <jjesse> jbailey: yes they are 
[08:40] <jbailey> 'k, so they'll want the same poxml love then for rosetta.
[08:40] <jbailey> Best if I generate the snapshots then so I can just do the same thing for Kubuntu and Ubuntu with pitti for langpacks.
[08:41] <jbailey> (This is all dapper stuff, obviously, right? *g*)
[08:43] <Riddell> jbailey: yep
[08:43] <jbailey> But I suspect that installer documentation can be split out as such, and that kubuntu-docs and ubuntu-docs can otherwise live in separate trees completely.
[08:44] <jjesse> Riddell: just comitted changes
[08:44] <jjesse> i should probablly make the change in trunk as well?
[08:44] <jjesse> ls
[08:44] <mdke> jbailey, the thing is that so many of the docs have stuff in common...
[08:44] <jbailey> mdke: Which ones?
[08:44] <mdke> jbailey, the install guide and the faqguide
[08:44] <jbailey> You mean like the FDL and stuff?
[08:45] <mdke> the faqguide was profiled so that it would include both kubuntu and ubuntu
[08:45] <jbailey> The install guide, yes.  That's why I suggest splitting that out into a third doc.
[08:45] <jbailey> The faqguide I don't know so well, I haven't been through it all.
[08:45] <mdke> but when the decision was taken to publish in xml, we had to remove all the profiling because yelp doesn't support that
[08:46] <jbailey> I don't think I know what you mean?
[08:46] <Riddell> jjesse: Makefile and prepdeb.sh havn't been updated
[08:46] <jbailey> Like, does Kubuntu use synaptic and such?
[08:46] <jjesse> hold on boss on phone
[08:46] <mdke> jbailey, no
[08:46] <jbailey> The Faqguide's applications seems to refer to gnome stuff pretty heavily...
[08:46] <mdke> jbailey, but there is loads of common stuff, and te doc was originally written like this:
[08:46] <jjesse> jbailey and mdke i haven't looked at the faqguide at all
[08:47] <mdke> To install *whatever*, open <os="gnome">Synaptic<os="kde">Kynaptic, etc
[08:47] <mdke> jbailey, that is not the correct string, but you see what I mean
[08:47] <jbailey> mdke: Oh phear.
[08:47] <jbailey> And can you actually still have sensible help with that?
[08:47] <Riddell> jjesse: is it official policy that string freeze doesn't apply to kubuntu docs?
[08:48] <jbailey> Riddell: Upload and beg forgiveness.
[08:48] <mdke> jbailey, the idea was that when we built the html that stuff would be separated out
[08:48] <jbailey> Riddell: I don't think the stuff was ever submitted for translation.
[08:48] <mdke> jbailey, but shipping in xml, yelp doesn't understand it so it goes crazy, hence we removed all the profiling
[08:48] <Riddell> jbailey: can't do that, all uploads have to be approved... they will notice
[08:48] <jjesse> Riddell:  no clue
[08:48] <mdke> jjesse, Riddell, sean said that you _made_ that policy
[08:48] <Riddell> and it's my distro and what I say goes :)
[08:49] <mdke> i was surprised too
[08:49] <jjesse> mdke was that me that made the policy ? i was not aware that i had that permission
[08:49] <mdke> no, no
[08:50] <mdke> i made a few noises about string freeze and translation, and the kubuntu docs not being ready, and Sean said that he'd spoken to Riddell about it, and that the kubuntu docs would not be translated so the string freeze didn't apply
[08:56] <Riddell> Kubuntu User Guide is translated as Kubuntu User Manual in en_GB?
[08:56] <Riddell> strange
[08:57] <Riddell> jjesse: can you do a  svn remove kde/khelpdesktop/kubuntu/kuserguide.desktop  in branches/breezy/ please
[08:58] <jjesse> Riddell:  done
[08:59] <Riddell> hmm, it's still there
[09:00] <Riddell> jjesse: svn commit  as well
[09:00] <Kinnison> ciao all
[09:00] <jjesse> sorry still on phone so a little lagged
[09:01] <jjesse> just did a svn commit
[09:05] <Riddell> jjesse: cool.  you need to  svn commit Makefile prepdeb.sh  in banches/breezy/kde
[09:06] <jjesse> ok hold on
[09:06] <jjesse> give me 15 mins work calls
[09:06] <Riddell> ok
[09:20] <dholbach> hellas
[09:20] <dholbach> are you aware of #16982?
[09:25] <jjesse> Riddell: i did a commit of that and nothing happened
[09:27] <Riddell> jjesse: should have been in that patch I gave you
[09:27] <Riddell> jjesse: try this patch http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/docs2.diff
[09:29] <jjesse> done
[09:31] <Riddell> jjesse: great, thanks
[09:32] <jjesse> ok afk for another bit, trying to get work done (i know its a crazy thought ) 
[09:33] <Riddell> jjesse: good luck
[09:46] <jjesse> ok back to the channel
[09:50] <mdke> dholbach, nope, pls assign it to jbailey
[09:51] <dholbach> mdke: merci, will do
[09:51] <mdke> :)