[03:46] <zul> good day folks
[03:47] <crimsun> hi
[03:57] <crimsun> dpatch posted for #15031
[05:29] <makx> hello
[05:29] <makx> i've some questions regarding the ubuntu linux package
[05:29] <makx> does it use kernel-package?
[05:30] <makx> how's initramfs-tools integrated?
[05:30] <fabbione> makx: yes.. it uses k-p
[05:30] <fabbione> and initramfs is integrated via k-p
[05:30] <makx> fabbione: cool so there are patches to use initramfs-tools
[05:31] <fabbione> it's one liner.. but it is also configurable
[05:31] <fabbione> meaning that we share the same config with Debian
[05:31] <makx> nice :)
[05:31] <fabbione> except that we default to initramfs
[05:31] <fabbione> debian to initrd
[05:31] <fabbione> users can override the default
[05:31] <fabbione> (in both)
[05:31] <makx> ok that would help also in debian for the transition.
[05:32] <makx> thanks for the info fabbione!!! :)
[05:32] <fabbione> makx: the transition is not painful, but you need to get klibc to work all arches
[05:32] <fabbione> otherwise it's useless to use mkinitrd
[05:33] <fabbione> for what we know: sparc/i386/amd64/ppc are good with klibc
[05:33] <fabbione> but ia64/hppa no
[05:33] <fabbione> (sparc building with gcc3-3)
[05:33] <makx> well mips/mipsel should work too
[05:33] <fabbione> so there are still several problems around
[05:33] <makx> yes libgcc troubles on sparc
[05:33] <fabbione> yeah.. gcc-4.0 is borked to death
[05:34] <fabbione> i have no idea about mips/+sel
[05:34] <fabbione> never ever seen one of these machines
[05:34] <makx> no idea i like the new gcc warnings + optimization, but sure it bites on low level stuff.
[05:35] <fabbione> yeah
[05:35] <fabbione> and it bites hard
[05:36] <makx> klibc build fine on alpha/s390
[05:37] <makx> no idea if it works altough.
[05:37] <fabbione> yeah the build is not really the problem
[05:37] <fabbione> it's get them to work
[05:37] <fabbione> on sparc it did build fine
[05:38] <fabbione> except it was builded with the wrong options
[05:38] <fabbione> building it properly was a FTBFS
[05:38] <fabbione> due to gcc-4.0
[05:38] <fabbione> so it took a while
[05:38] <fabbione> it's important.. extremely important that you do a kernel upload with initrdtools...
[05:39] <fabbione> and the next one change to initramfs with no other changes
[05:39] <fabbione> mark the line clearly
[05:39] <fabbione> because if klibc is borked, it looks like a kernel OOPS
[05:39] <fabbione> so you need to be able to recognize that
[05:39] <makx> nice advice indeed.
[05:39] <fabbione> by a very specific version number
[05:40] <fabbione> well we did go trough this on our own .. that's why
[05:40] <makx> well 2.6.13 forces initramfs-tools a bit with !devfs.
[05:40] <fabbione> we don't have 2.6.13
[05:40] <fabbione> but the point is 
[05:40] <fabbione> you still have .12, right?
[05:40] <makx> well it's only the config removed.
[05:40] <makx> but not allowed to touch .12 atm because of d-i beta.
[05:41] <fabbione> if so.. before uploading .13
[05:41] <fabbione> take some extra time to switch .12
[05:41] <fabbione> and merge the changes later into .13
[05:41] <fabbione> so you have exactly the same good known codebase
[05:41] <fabbione> with the init* change
[05:42] <makx> where could i ask scott ot add intramfs-tools and klibc for patch monitoring?
[05:43] <makx> s/ot/to/
[05:44] <fabbione> i think they are monitored automatically...
[05:44] <fabbione> but you can just mail him
[05:44] <makx> well currently not, ok i'll do.
[05:45] <fabbione> probably because there are no differences between Debian and Ubuntu
[05:45] <fabbione> if there are no diff, there is no dir
[05:46] <makx> naa, there are. :-P
[05:46] <makx> small bits...
[05:48] <makx> i know them usually, but those diff's are nice checker. :)
[06:01] <jbailey> makx: At the moment they're not inherited from Debian, so I don't think they'll be monitored.
[06:01] <jbailey> makx: That can change after breezy easily enough.
[06:02] <jbailey> My first upload after Breezy releases will call it 1.0, turn it into a non-native deb, and also make it share nice between the two of us.
[06:06] <zul> ooh...when we will see nilfs 1.0 in the ubuntu kernel ;)
[06:06] <fabbione> what's that????
[06:07] <fabbione> nullfs??
[06:07] <fabbione> very useful  to redirect all the spam :)
[06:08] <jbailey> It's for people who miss the good old days of there being random sparse blocks in the middle of files ;)
[06:19] <fabbione> eheh
[06:33] <makx> jbailey: scott told me that it will happen after breezy.
[06:33] <makx> didn't knew the patches were bound to released packages, but it makes sense. :)
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[06:53] <dilinger> ^ nilfs
[07:01] <zul> fabbione its on slahdot
[07:08] <lamont__> W: linux-source-2.6.12 source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.6.1
[07:08] <lamont__> heh
[07:09] <crimsun> It's probably too late to apply the patch in #15031, right?
[07:10] <crimsun> oops on boot for people with an ALC880 codec using the Intel High Definition audio driver
[08:07] <zul> well it looks like im on going to be there for the firstday at ubz
[08:15] <lamont__> zul: cool!
[08:15] <lamont__> first day == 30 or 29?
[08:41] <zul> the ubuntulove day
[08:41] <zul> wouldnt miss my second love ;)
[10:58] <jbailey> zul: Yay!  You can come out drinking with me. =)
[11:12] <zul> hehe..
[11:12] <zul> i have to work the next day though
[11:19] <zul> later