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| sivang | don't we suppose to have a TB meeting now? | 09:08 |
|---|---|---|
| ogra | sivang, wrong time | 09:08 |
| sivang | ogra: bah, I thought I was UTC+2 , thanks I will recheck | 09:08 |
| \sh | sivang: 20 UTC == 22 Uhr German Time ;) | 09:14 |
| ogra | \sh, and .il time ? | 09:14 |
| \sh | .il ? | 09:15 |
| \sh | iceland? | 09:15 |
| ogra | israel | 09:15 |
| \sh | puhh | 09:15 |
| \sh | w8 | 09:15 |
| sivang | israel, 23:00 | 09:15 |
| \sh | dubai is +3 | 09:15 |
| sivang | I am currently +3 | 09:16 |
| sivang | \sh: yes :) | 09:16 |
| \sh | sivang: ok..yeah ;) | 09:16 |
| sivang | ogra: I want to be approved as MOTU, on track for main maintainership for working on more lp integration, and printing stuff | 09:16 |
| ogra | sivang, you'll have to care for some universe paqckages for some time first... | 09:17 |
| ogra | especially for main approval this will be requied | 09:17 |
| ogra | ask \sh how many hundret packages he had to fix before being approved for main | 09:18 |
| sivang | ogra: Do you recall I already asked you if I can be approved based on my main works? | 09:18 |
| ogra | sivang, yes, for MOTU i'm fine with it... | 09:18 |
| sivang | ogra: ah ok, got you :) | 09:19 |
| ogra | sivang, but for main there will be deep packaging experience required | 09:19 |
| \sh | ogra: please...I want to stay in the back :) | 09:19 |
| ogra | \sh, i didnt want to push you to the front of the stage ;) | 09:20 |
| sivang | ogra: I imagine. Did tseng did this the same? afaik he was approved specifically for mono, I desire the same thing for lpi and printing stuff , but I understand that. | 09:20 |
| ogra | sivang, there is no such thing like specifically for... | 09:20 |
| sivang | ogra: I see | 09:20 |
| ogra | if you got main approval, you can touch all main packages | 09:20 |
| sivang | ogra: I know, but I would never dream of touching anything else then what I said I want to touch ;-) | 09:21 |
| \sh | sivang: but u don't want to...and if someone's asking you to take over a package, say "no" ,-) or you have something like xterm on your bum ;) | 09:21 |
| ogra | sivang, doesnt matter... | 09:21 |
| ogra | sivang, the thing is that you *can* so your experience must be proven | 09:22 |
| ogra | even for stuff you wont touch | 09:22 |
| sivang | ogra: I see, ok | 09:22 |
| === sivang meh's at the slowness of package building on this machine. I need my desktop here | ||
| sivang | ogra: how many packages did you work on before being approved for main? | 09:24 |
| ogra | sivang, no idea, but it were quite a lot... | 09:25 |
| ogra | i worked some months on universe packages | 09:25 |
| sivang | ogra: yes, I remember | 09:27 |
| sivang | ogra: if only I had all day to do it, who knows, I may eventually make my days freee for that :) just like you did | 09:28 |
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| siretart | hi sistpoty | 09:45 |
| sistpoty | huhu | 09:46 |
| ogra | yay, you made it this time ? | 09:47 |
| sistpoty | yep | 09:47 |
| ogra | great :) | 09:48 |
| ogra | finally :) | 09:48 |
| sistpoty | hehe... sorry for my missing last time, i simply didn't recognize it was meeting time ;) | 09:48 |
| ogra | you made it this time, thats enough :) | 09:48 |
| ogra | and with even more practise now | 09:49 |
| sistpoty | that's true | 09:49 |
| sistpoty | ogra: btw.: hat has newer upstream to fix ftbfs... do you mind? ;) | 09:50 |
| ogra | hat ? | 09:50 |
| ogra | whats hat ? | 09:50 |
| sistpoty | haskell source tracer | 09:50 |
| ogra | if it fixes ftbfs and doesnt brak oter stuff, thats fine ... | 09:51 |
| ogra | *break | 09:51 |
| sistpoty | I doubt it won't... (no rdepends | 09:52 |
| sistpoty | +) | 09:52 |
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| sistpoty | err... i doubt it will break stuff, even | 09:52 |
| sivang | ogra: I filed a join request to MOTU | 09:55 |
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| ogra | sistpoty, fine then | 09:56 |
| sistpoty | :) | 09:57 |
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| pitti | Hi | 10:00 |
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| sivang | pitti: wb | 10:01 |
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| \sh | k..20 UTC | 10:02 |
| siretart | did we already start? | 10:02 |
| sistpoty | no, not on this half of the net ;) | 10:02 |
| siretart | hehe | 10:02 |
| sivang | we need to wait for mdz no? | 10:03 |
| === bddebian can't stay long :-( | ||
| === slomo neither | ||
| === sivang whistles | ||
| siretart | quorum? | 10:10 |
| === pitti pinged Kamion | ||
| pitti | ... and mdz, a while ago | 10:10 |
| bddebian | Do be do be dooo | 10:11 |
| ogra | doko will be late he said | 10:12 |
| === bddebian should add himself to the Core team ;-) | ||
| sistpoty | is this a request or a threat? ;) | 10:13 |
| \sh | hmm....daniels and bddebian working together on xorg...A wonderful changelog dream ,-) | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: sure, go ahead | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: then we can pull out all your MOTU horror stories >:) | 10:14 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 10:14 |
| sivang | bddebian: getting approved as a main maintainer? yay for you! | 10:14 |
| \sh | [bddebian] : introduced new features for i810\n[daniels] : fixed new features of bddebian for i810 (removed) | 10:15 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Thanks, I can always count on you for support ;-P | 10:15 |
| bddebian | \sh: ??? | 10:15 |
| \sh | bddebian: nothing... | 10:15 |
| bddebian | sivang: No, I was kidding | 10:15 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:15 |
| bddebian | \sh: Where did that come from? | 10:15 |
| sivang | bddebian: then we can kid together :) | 10:15 |
| \sh | bddebian: just typed it | 10:15 |
| bddebian | Oh,hehe | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | \sh: would that be for release day - 1? :) | 10:16 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well...can be ;) | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | btw.: I saw some irclog with \sh on a screensaver, but can't remember what screensaver that was... | 10:16 |
| \sh | bddebian: or what about a job as elmos left hand? | 10:16 |
| \sh | what? | 10:16 |
| \sh | sistpoty: rssreader ? | 10:16 |
| ogra | there are several | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | no idea... just had the screensavers set to random | 10:17 |
| \sh | with \sh on it? | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | yep | 10:17 |
| ogra | the text screensavers all read planet if a connection is available | 10:17 |
| \sh | without my permission? | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | ah... thx ogra | 10:17 |
| === \sh 's not a screensaver | ||
| === sivang notes that's an interesting TB meeting. | ||
| ogra | \sh, you published on planet ;) | 10:17 |
| \sh | ogra: that raises some ideas | 10:18 |
| bmonty | hi everyone | 10:18 |
| sistpoty | fortunes-motu? | 10:18 |
| sistpoty | hi bmonty | 10:18 |
| \sh | publishing blogentries with embedded midi sounds | 10:18 |
| ogra | eek | 10:18 |
| slomo | \sh: like a firework? ;) | 10:18 |
| ogra | the xscreensaver-text programm wont read it then :) | 10:18 |
| \sh | slomo: yeah..to get those nice bug reports again: "Screensaver bla disturbed me when I watched Katie Price" ;) | 10:19 |
| doko | hi | 10:20 |
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| sivang | hey folks | 10:20 |
| slomo | doko: while you're here... read my mail? | 10:20 |
| mdz | good morning | 10:20 |
| ogra | hi mdz | 10:20 |
| doko | slmo: whichone? | 10:20 |
| slomo | hi mdz | 10:20 |
| sistpoty | hi mdke | 10:20 |
| sistpoty | mdz even ;) | 10:21 |
| sivang | hey mdz , doko | 10:21 |
| \sh | evening mdz | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | morning mdz :) | 10:21 |
| slomo | doko: my only one to you until now ;) about swt-gtk and eclipse... did you already ask elmo, infinity or lamont to remove it from pas to get it build on amd64/ppc? | 10:21 |
| ogra | \sh, to see katie price just select webwhacker ;) | 10:21 |
| doko | slomo: pending | 10:21 |
| \sh | ogra: no...I don't want to see her | 10:21 |
| ogra | \sh, but do it soon, i'll disable it in the next upload of the package | 10:21 |
| slomo | doko: ok, fine :) | 10:22 |
| \sh | ogra: btw...http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64574 ;) | 10:22 |
| mdz | so we have 11 new developer candidates according to launchpad | 10:22 |
| mdz | dholbach: are you changing launchpad accounts, or did you list yourself by mistake? | 10:23 |
| ogra | heh | 10:23 |
| ogra | he wants to be a MOTU | 10:23 |
| \sh | mdz: he needs to be approved ;) | 10:23 |
| siretart | *g* | 10:23 |
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| bddebian | \sh: I wouldn't mind but elmo would probably kill me ;-) | 10:23 |
| mdz | no he doesn't; he is already a member of ubuntu-core-dev | 10:23 |
| dholbach | mdz: i changed the mail adress, maybe that's the reason? | 10:23 |
| === ogra gives a thimbs up for dholbach approval | ||
| ogra | thumbs even | 10:24 |
| dholbach | ogra: thank you :) | 10:24 |
| ogra | :) | 10:24 |
| bddebian | hehe | 10:24 |
| sivang | guys, there are people here waiting for approval that really need it :) | 10:24 |
| mdz | ok, we'll go with oldest first | 10:24 |
| mdz | is Dmitri Alenitchev here? | 10:24 |
| ogra | no idea who that is | 10:25 |
| \sh | never saw him...dunno who that is | 10:25 |
| === bddebian either | ||
| sivang | mdz: I thought I was the oldest :) | 10:25 |
| sivang | (that didn't get approved so far) | 10:25 |
| mdz | sivang: you are not on the list | 10:25 |
| sivang | mdz: MOTU list? I added myself in launchapd | 10:25 |
| \sh | sivang: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members | 10:25 |
| mdz | sivang: you applied for core, not motu | 10:26 |
| bddebian | w00t | 10:26 |
| mdz | I am going to decline Dmitri since clearly he isn't aware of the right procedures | 10:26 |
| mdz | Dmitri Alenitchev? | 10:26 |
| sivang | mdz: yes, in which I wish to decline this applicatio and replace it in MOTU application, if this is the right place for it | 10:26 |
| mdz | er | 10:26 |
| mdz | Jorge Daza Garca-Blanes? | 10:27 |
| mdz | sivang: no, the right place to apply is launchpad | 10:27 |
| ogra | mdz, i stil had no time to look up the log, sorry | 10:27 |
| mdz | sivang: the url that \sh gave above | 10:27 |
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| mdz | StefanPotyra? | 10:27 |
| === sistpoty is StefanPotyra | ||
| sivang | mdz: yes, well, I filed an application for MOTU about 2 hours ago, with the support of ogra | 10:27 |
| ogra | mdz, Jorge Daza Garca-Blanes == comadreja is still motu since months | 10:27 |
| siretart | thats sistpoty | 10:27 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: ++ | 10:27 |
| mdz | sivang: you must have applied to the wrong team | 10:28 |
| ogra | sistpoty++ | 10:28 |
| sivang | mdz: I'll retry | 10:28 |
| mdz | ogra: I don't remember it, so you need to give me the reference | 10:28 |
| mdz | is sistpoty here? | 10:28 |
| siretart | sistpoty has got a dozen packages sponsored | 10:28 |
| ogra | mr. haskell :) | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | I'm around, yes | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | thx. for the cheers | 10:28 |
| mdz | sistpoty: and you are applying for MOTU? | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | yes, I am | 10:29 |
| ogra | mdz, he already did once and was postponed | 10:29 |
| === dholbach would like to have sistpoty in the team too | ||
| \sh | sistpoty contributed very well to the motu...and regarding his work on revu...++ from me | 10:29 |
| ogra | then he couldnt attend some meetings | 10:29 |
| siretart | he proved packaging and communicationss kills when handling gvr. There was a packaging bug, and upstream asked what was going on. Stefan replied really quick and the issue could be resolved in less than 48 hours | 10:29 |
| siretart | sistpoty: I think in less than 24h, no? | 10:29 |
| ogra | but he made the ghc trransition happen on his own :) | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | siretart: actually it took some longer... maybe 3 days | 10:30 |
| sivang | mdz: redid it, weird, I guess I Have applied for the wrong team at start. | 10:30 |
| bddebian | Sorry gang, have to run. Maybe I'll make it home in time to catch the rest.. | 10:30 |
| sivang | bddebian: later | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | ogra: slome did very much help, and ghc-transition isn't done yet ;) | 10:30 |
| sistpoty | slomo even | 10:30 |
| mdz | ogra: the team called 'motu' should be removed to avoid confusion | 10:30 |
| dholbach | and he's modest :) | 10:30 |
| ogra | mdz, its our bug team for default assignment... | 10:30 |
| === slomo also votes for sistpoty... he was very helpfull with haskell stuff and is really good at fixing difficult packages :) | ||
| ogra | mdz, we use it quite some time already... | 10:31 |
| === sivang wonders why he can't see himself as a proposed membber | ||
| mdz | ogra: there is no reason to have two teams, and ubuntu-dev is the one which has been created according to the governance rules and will be used for archive access control | 10:31 |
| ogra | mdz, will take some time to rearrange stuff, but i'll remove it once all references are gone | 10:32 |
| mdz | sivang: you're there now | 10:32 |
| sivang | mdz: k, thanks bmonty noted that to me :) | 10:32 |
| Seveas | ogra, maybe you can rename it to motu-bugsquashers? | 10:33 |
| ogra | Seveas, i'll just delete it... | 10:33 |
| ogra | its just very old and what we use since we use maolne | 10:33 |
| mdz | I've just been in touch with Keybuk, and he is unable to get network access where he is | 10:33 |
| ogra | thre are wiki references etc | 10:33 |
| mdz | sabdfl is travelling and unable to attend the meeting | 10:33 |
| mdz | so we do not have a quorum here | 10:34 |
| ogra | sad for sistpoty who will be postponed again... | 10:34 |
| siretart | :( | 10:34 |
| mdz | normally I would suggest that we schedule a meeting for next week, but we have the release | 10:35 |
| mdz | I'll see if we can set one up for later this week | 10:35 |
| mdz | watch ubuntu-devel | 10:35 |
| ogra | yes, but there is nothing else on the agenda (excapt someone added anything) | 10:35 |
| ogra | *except | 10:35 |
| mdz | right, any other business? | 10:35 |
| sivang | ogra: then we'll have a quick meeting :) | 10:35 |
| bmonty | mdz: is it possible to have the next meeting during the weekend? | 10:36 |
| mdz | I apologize to the applicants who are deferred because of this, but Scott was pulled away at the last minute for work-related reasons | 10:36 |
| bmonty | I had to request time off from work to come to this meeting | 10:36 |
| ogra | bmonty, thats hard to decide in absence of the people in charge | 10:36 |
| mdz | bmonty: it may be possible | 10:36 |
| siretart | is there anything we can do to reduce noise on ubuntu-devel mailinglist? | 10:36 |
| sivang | siretart++ | 10:36 |
| mdz | moderate the list | 10:36 |
| ogra | siretart, ubuntugeek promised to shut down the form link | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | mdz: shall I ping elmo about about keyring maintenance? | 10:37 |
| mdz | ajmitch: specifically? | 10:37 |
| sivang | mdz: it's very hard tracking it for people which must be busy with non ubuntu stuff during to week, and caching on K's of emails on the weekends delays development work | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | mdz: I was approved for main, sent my key to him but am not in the keyring yet | 10:37 |
| mdz | ajmitch: are you properly registered in launchpad? | 10:38 |
| mdz | ajmitch: how long ago did you send it? | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | mdz: yes, I was approved here a few weeks ago | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | approx 3 weeks ago, I'll check | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | sent him key on the 20th | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | I assumed he'd just be quite busy | 10:39 |
| mdz | he is, but that is more than enough time to respond | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | I know he got the email, since he processed the sync requests in it | 10:40 |
| mdz | perhaps he missed the keyring matter because it was bundled with sync requests | 10:40 |
| mdz | resend it and CC me | 10:40 |
| ajmitch | certainly | 10:40 |
| mdz | sivang: I recommend mutt's thread-delete feature (^D) | 10:40 |
| mdz | any other business for the board before we adjourn? | 10:41 |
| Seveas | mdz, no but I have a questiion directed to you personally | 10:41 |
| mdz | meeting adjourned | 10:42 |
| mdz | Seveas: ->#ubuntu-devel | 10:42 |
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| Seveas | k | 10:42 |
| sivang | mdz: ok then, but not alwasy easy to decide if a thread is important or not, and I've seen threads that have almost arbirary subjects , and were important. | 10:42 |
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