=== rbelem [n=rodrigo@200.246.97.164] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Yann2 [n=Yann2@sab57-1-82-231-107-53.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === prevod [i=prevod@147.91.175.49] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === prevod [i=prevod@147.91.175.49] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 3 Oct 16:00 UTC: LoCo Teams | 4 Oct 20:00 UTC: TechnicalBoard | 5 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 7 Oct 14:00 UTC: DocTeam | 11 Oct 14:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Oct 20:00 UTC: MOTU === Topic (#ubuntu-meeting): set by JaneW at Wed Sep 28 15:06:30 2005 === #ubuntu-meeting [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lastone [i=lastone@62.84.27.108] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port162-150.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B138C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch_1 [n=ajmitch@port162-76.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B138C.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-87-201-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Cheerio!"] === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 4 Oct 20:00 UTC: TechnicalBoard | 5 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 7 Oct 14:00 UTC: DocTeam | 11 Oct 14:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Oct 20:00 UTC: MOTU | === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@pcp0010489211pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sepheebear_ [n=SepheeBe@cpe-68-175-57-11.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ian_brasil [n=vern@pintada.proamazon.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ju_ [n=Ju@AAubervilliers-153-1-39-223.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko@dslb-084-059-105-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.162.93.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lamont__ [n=lamont@15.238.6.74] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089ED56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@p5487FBDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B1CBA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B1CBA.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Ju_ is now known as Ju === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === olemke [n=olemke@p548957C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089FE82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F76D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B1CBA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:08] don't we suppose to have a TB meeting now? [09:08] sivang, wrong time [09:08] ogra: bah, I thought I was UTC+2 , thanks I will recheck [09:14] <\sh> sivang: 20 UTC == 22 Uhr German Time ;) [09:14] \sh, and .il time ? [09:15] <\sh> .il ? [09:15] <\sh> iceland? [09:15] israel [09:15] <\sh> puhh [09:15] <\sh> w8 [09:15] israel, 23:00 [09:15] <\sh> dubai is +3 [09:16] I am currently +3 [09:16] \sh: yes :) [09:16] <\sh> sivang: ok..yeah ;) [09:16] ogra: I want to be approved as MOTU, on track for main maintainership for working on more lp integration, and printing stuff [09:17] sivang, you'll have to care for some universe paqckages for some time first... [09:17] especially for main approval this will be requied [09:18] ask \sh how many hundret packages he had to fix before being approved for main [09:18] ogra: Do you recall I already asked you if I can be approved based on my main works? [09:18] sivang, yes, for MOTU i'm fine with it... [09:19] ogra: ah ok, got you :) [09:19] sivang, but for main there will be deep packaging experience required [09:19] <\sh> ogra: please...I want to stay in the back :) [09:20] \sh, i didnt want to push you to the front of the stage ;) [09:20] ogra: I imagine. Did tseng did this the same? afaik he was approved specifically for mono, I desire the same thing for lpi and printing stuff , but I understand that. [09:20] sivang, there is no such thing like specifically for... [09:20] ogra: I see [09:20] if you got main approval, you can touch all main packages [09:21] ogra: I know, but I would never dream of touching anything else then what I said I want to touch ;-) [09:21] <\sh> sivang: but u don't want to...and if someone's asking you to take over a package, say "no" ,-) or you have something like xterm on your bum ;) [09:21] sivang, doesnt matter... [09:22] sivang, the thing is that you *can* so your experience must be proven [09:22] even for stuff you wont touch [09:22] ogra: I see, ok === sivang meh's at the slowness of package building on this machine. I need my desktop here [09:24] ogra: how many packages did you work on before being approved for main? [09:25] sivang, no idea, but it were quite a lot... [09:25] i worked some months on universe packages [09:27] ogra: yes, I remember [09:28] ogra: if only I had all day to do it, who knows, I may eventually make my days freee for that :) just like you did === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.162.93.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:45] hi sistpoty [09:46] huhu [09:47] yay, you made it this time ? [09:47] yep [09:48] great :) [09:48] finally :) [09:48] hehe... sorry for my missing last time, i simply didn't recognize it was meeting time ;) [09:48] you made it this time, thats enough :) [09:49] and with even more practise now [09:49] that's true [09:50] ogra: btw.: hat has newer upstream to fix ftbfs... do you mind? ;) [09:50] hat ? [09:50] whats hat ? [09:50] haskell source tracer [09:51] if it fixes ftbfs and doesnt brak oter stuff, thats fine ... [09:51] *break [09:52] I doubt it won't... (no rdepends [09:52] +) === slomo [n=slomo@p5487FBDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === siretart [n=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:52] err... i doubt it will break stuff, even [09:55] ogra: I filed a join request to MOTU === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [09:56] sistpoty, fine then [09:57] :) === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:00] Hi === siretart_ [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:01] pitti: wb === bddebian [n=bddebian@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo [n=slomo@p5487FBDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === siretart [n=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:02] <\sh> k..20 UTC [10:02] did we already start? [10:02] no, not on this half of the net ;) [10:02] hehe [10:03] we need to wait for mdz no? === bddebian can't stay long :-( === slomo neither === sivang whistles [10:10] quorum? === pitti pinged Kamion [10:10] ... and mdz, a while ago [10:11] Do be do be dooo [10:12] doko will be late he said === bddebian should add himself to the Core team ;-) [10:13] is this a request or a threat? ;) [10:14] <\sh> hmm....daniels and bddebian working together on xorg...A wonderful changelog dream ,-) [10:14] bddebian: sure, go ahead [10:14] bddebian: then we can pull out all your MOTU horror stories >:) [10:14] Hmm [10:14] bddebian: getting approved as a main maintainer? yay for you! [10:15] <\sh> [bddebian] : introduced new features for i810\n[daniels] : fixed new features of bddebian for i810 (removed) [10:15] ajmitch: Thanks, I can always count on you for support ;-P [10:15] \sh: ??? [10:15] <\sh> bddebian: nothing... [10:15] sivang: No, I was kidding [10:15] hehe [10:15] \sh: Where did that come from? [10:15] bddebian: then we can kid together :) [10:15] <\sh> bddebian: just typed it [10:16] Oh,hehe [10:16] \sh: would that be for release day - 1? :) [10:16] <\sh> ajmitch: well...can be ;) [10:16] btw.: I saw some irclog with \sh on a screensaver, but can't remember what screensaver that was... [10:16] <\sh> bddebian: or what about a job as elmos left hand? [10:16] <\sh> what? [10:16] <\sh> sistpoty: rssreader ? [10:17] there are several [10:17] no idea... just had the screensavers set to random [10:17] <\sh> with \sh on it? [10:17] yep [10:17] the text screensavers all read planet if a connection is available [10:17] <\sh> without my permission? [10:17] ah... thx ogra === \sh 's not a screensaver === sivang notes that's an interesting TB meeting. [10:17] \sh, you published on planet ;) [10:18] <\sh> ogra: that raises some ideas [10:18] hi everyone [10:18] fortunes-motu? [10:18] hi bmonty [10:18] <\sh> publishing blogentries with embedded midi sounds [10:18] eek [10:18] \sh: like a firework? ;) [10:18] the xscreensaver-text programm wont read it then :) [10:19] <\sh> slomo: yeah..to get those nice bug reports again: "Screensaver bla disturbed me when I watched Katie Price" ;) [10:20] hi === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:20] hey folks [10:20] doko: while you're here... read my mail? [10:20] good morning [10:20] hi mdz [10:20] slmo: whichone? [10:20] hi mdz [10:20] hi mdke [10:21] mdz even ;) [10:21] hey mdz , doko [10:21] <\sh> evening mdz [10:21] morning mdz :) [10:21] doko: my only one to you until now ;) about swt-gtk and eclipse... did you already ask elmo, infinity or lamont to remove it from pas to get it build on amd64/ppc? [10:21] \sh, to see katie price just select webwhacker ;) [10:21] slomo: pending [10:21] <\sh> ogra: no...I don't want to see her [10:21] \sh, but do it soon, i'll disable it in the next upload of the package [10:22] doko: ok, fine :) [10:22] <\sh> ogra: btw...http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64574 ;) [10:22] so we have 11 new developer candidates according to launchpad [10:23] dholbach: are you changing launchpad accounts, or did you list yourself by mistake? [10:23] heh [10:23] he wants to be a MOTU [10:23] <\sh> mdz: he needs to be approved ;) [10:23] *g* === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:23] \sh: I wouldn't mind but elmo would probably kill me ;-) [10:23] no he doesn't; he is already a member of ubuntu-core-dev [10:23] mdz: i changed the mail adress, maybe that's the reason? === ogra gives a thimbs up for dholbach approval [10:24] thumbs even [10:24] ogra: thank you :) [10:24] :) [10:24] hehe [10:24] guys, there are people here waiting for approval that really need it :) [10:24] ok, we'll go with oldest first [10:24] is Dmitri Alenitchev here? [10:25] no idea who that is [10:25] <\sh> never saw him...dunno who that is === bddebian either [10:25] mdz: I thought I was the oldest :) [10:25] (that didn't get approved so far) [10:25] sivang: you are not on the list [10:25] mdz: MOTU list? I added myself in launchapd [10:25] <\sh> sivang: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members [10:26] sivang: you applied for core, not motu [10:26] w00t [10:26] I am going to decline Dmitri since clearly he isn't aware of the right procedures [10:26] Dmitri Alenitchev? [10:26] mdz: yes, in which I wish to decline this applicatio and replace it in MOTU application, if this is the right place for it [10:26] er [10:27] Jorge Daza Garca-Blanes? [10:27] sivang: no, the right place to apply is launchpad [10:27] mdz, i stil had no time to look up the log, sorry [10:27] sivang: the url that \sh gave above === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [10:27] StefanPotyra? === sistpoty is StefanPotyra [10:27] mdz: yes, well, I filed an application for MOTU about 2 hours ago, with the support of ogra [10:27] mdz, Jorge Daza Garca-Blanes == comadreja is still motu since months [10:27] thats sistpoty [10:27] sistpoty: ++ [10:28] sivang: you must have applied to the wrong team [10:28] sistpoty++ [10:28] mdz: I'll retry [10:28] ogra: I don't remember it, so you need to give me the reference [10:28] is sistpoty here? [10:28] sistpoty has got a dozen packages sponsored [10:28] mr. haskell :) [10:28] I'm around, yes [10:28] thx. for the cheers [10:29] sistpoty: and you are applying for MOTU? [10:29] yes, I am [10:29] mdz, he already did once and was postponed === dholbach would like to have sistpoty in the team too [10:29] <\sh> sistpoty contributed very well to the motu...and regarding his work on revu...++ from me [10:29] then he couldnt attend some meetings [10:29] he proved packaging and communicationss kills when handling gvr. There was a packaging bug, and upstream asked what was going on. Stefan replied really quick and the issue could be resolved in less than 48 hours [10:29] sistpoty: I think in less than 24h, no? [10:29] but he made the ghc trransition happen on his own :) [10:30] siretart: actually it took some longer... maybe 3 days [10:30] mdz: redid it, weird, I guess I Have applied for the wrong team at start. [10:30] Sorry gang, have to run. Maybe I'll make it home in time to catch the rest.. [10:30] bddebian: later [10:30] ogra: slome did very much help, and ghc-transition isn't done yet ;) [10:30] slomo even [10:30] ogra: the team called 'motu' should be removed to avoid confusion [10:30] and he's modest :) [10:30] mdz, its our bug team for default assignment... === slomo also votes for sistpoty... he was very helpfull with haskell stuff and is really good at fixing difficult packages :) [10:31] mdz, we use it quite some time already... === sivang wonders why he can't see himself as a proposed membber [10:31] ogra: there is no reason to have two teams, and ubuntu-dev is the one which has been created according to the governance rules and will be used for archive access control [10:32] mdz, will take some time to rearrange stuff, but i'll remove it once all references are gone [10:32] sivang: you're there now [10:32] mdz: k, thanks bmonty noted that to me :) [10:33] ogra, maybe you can rename it to motu-bugsquashers? [10:33] Seveas, i'll just delete it... [10:33] its just very old and what we use since we use maolne [10:33] I've just been in touch with Keybuk, and he is unable to get network access where he is [10:33] thre are wiki references etc [10:33] sabdfl is travelling and unable to attend the meeting [10:34] so we do not have a quorum here [10:34] sad for sistpoty who will be postponed again... [10:34] :( [10:35] normally I would suggest that we schedule a meeting for next week, but we have the release [10:35] I'll see if we can set one up for later this week [10:35] watch ubuntu-devel [10:35] yes, but there is nothing else on the agenda (excapt someone added anything) [10:35] *except [10:35] right, any other business? [10:35] ogra: then we'll have a quick meeting :) [10:36] mdz: is it possible to have the next meeting during the weekend? [10:36] I apologize to the applicants who are deferred because of this, but Scott was pulled away at the last minute for work-related reasons [10:36] I had to request time off from work to come to this meeting [10:36] bmonty, thats hard to decide in absence of the people in charge [10:36] bmonty: it may be possible [10:36] is there anything we can do to reduce noise on ubuntu-devel mailinglist? [10:36] siretart++ [10:36] moderate the list [10:37] siretart, ubuntugeek promised to shut down the form link [10:37] mdz: shall I ping elmo about about keyring maintenance? [10:37] ajmitch: specifically? [10:37] mdz: it's very hard tracking it for people which must be busy with non ubuntu stuff during to week, and caching on K's of emails on the weekends delays development work [10:37] mdz: I was approved for main, sent my key to him but am not in the keyring yet [10:38] ajmitch: are you properly registered in launchpad? [10:38] ajmitch: how long ago did you send it? [10:38] mdz: yes, I was approved here a few weeks ago [10:38] approx 3 weeks ago, I'll check [10:39] sent him key on the 20th [10:39] I assumed he'd just be quite busy [10:39] he is, but that is more than enough time to respond [10:40] I know he got the email, since he processed the sync requests in it [10:40] perhaps he missed the keyring matter because it was bundled with sync requests [10:40] resend it and CC me [10:40] certainly [10:40] sivang: I recommend mutt's thread-delete feature (^D) [10:41] any other business for the board before we adjourn? [10:41] mdz, no but I have a questiion directed to you personally [10:42] meeting adjourned [10:42] Seveas: ->#ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Client] [10:42] k [10:42] mdz: ok then, but not alwasy easy to decide if a thread is important or not, and I've seen threads that have almost arbirary subjects , and were important. === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B1CBA.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === olemke [n=olemke@p548957C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Maikeru [n=Maikeru@adsl-69-149-227-28.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-007-235.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Maikeru [n=Maikeru@adsl-69-149-227-28.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [""Imagination] === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B1CBA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B1CBA.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"]