[09:08] <sivang> don't we suppose to have a TB meeting now?
[09:08] <ogra> sivang, wrong time
[09:08] <sivang> ogra: bah, I thought I was UTC+2 , thanks I will recheck
[09:14] <\sh> sivang: 20 UTC == 22 Uhr German Time ;)
[09:14] <ogra> \sh, and .il time ? 
[09:15] <\sh> .il ? 
[09:15] <\sh> iceland?
[09:15] <ogra> israel
[09:15] <\sh> puhh
[09:15] <\sh> w8
[09:15] <sivang> israel, 23:00 
[09:15] <\sh> dubai is +3
[09:16] <sivang> I am currently +3
[09:16] <sivang> \sh: yes :)
[09:16] <\sh> sivang: ok..yeah ;)
[09:16] <sivang> ogra: I want to be approved as MOTU, on track for main maintainership for working on more lp integration, and printing stuff
[09:17] <ogra> sivang, you'll have to care for some universe paqckages for some time first...
[09:17] <ogra> especially for main approval this will be requied
[09:18] <ogra> ask \sh how many hundret packages he had to fix before being approved for main
[09:18] <sivang> ogra: Do you recall I already asked you if I can be approved based on my main works?
[09:18] <ogra> sivang, yes, for MOTU i'm fine with it...
[09:19] <sivang> ogra: ah ok, got you :)
[09:19] <ogra> sivang, but for main there will be deep packaging experience required
[09:19] <\sh> ogra: please...I want to stay in the back :)
[09:20] <ogra> \sh, i didnt want to push you to the front of the stage ;)
[09:20] <sivang> ogra: I imagine. Did tseng did this the same? afaik he was approved specifically for mono, I desire the same thing for lpi and printing stuff , but I understand that.
[09:20] <ogra> sivang, there is no such thing like specifically for...
[09:20] <sivang> ogra: I see
[09:20] <ogra> if you got main approval, you can touch all main packages
[09:21] <sivang> ogra: I know, but I would never dream of touching anything else then what I said I want to touch ;-)
[09:21] <\sh> sivang: but u don't want to...and if someone's asking you to take over a package, say "no" ,-) or you have something like xterm on your bum ;)
[09:21] <ogra> sivang, doesnt matter...
[09:22] <ogra> sivang, the thing is that you *can* so your experience must be proven
[09:22] <ogra> even for stuff you wont touch
[09:22] <sivang> ogra: I see, ok
[09:24] <sivang> ogra: how many packages did you work on before being approved for main?
[09:25] <ogra> sivang, no idea, but it were quite a lot...
[09:25] <ogra> i worked some months on universe packages
[09:27] <sivang> ogra: yes, I remember
[09:28] <sivang> ogra: if only I had all day to do it, who knows, I may eventually make my days freee for that :) just like you did
[09:45] <siretart> hi sistpoty 
[09:46] <sistpoty> huhu
[09:47] <ogra> yay, you made it this time ? 
[09:47] <sistpoty> yep
[09:48] <ogra> great :) 
[09:48] <ogra> finally :)
[09:48] <sistpoty> hehe... sorry for my missing last time, i simply didn't recognize it was meeting time ;)
[09:48] <ogra> you made it this time, thats enough :)
[09:49] <ogra> and with even more practise now
[09:49] <sistpoty> that's true
[09:50] <sistpoty> ogra: btw.: hat has newer upstream to fix ftbfs... do you mind? ;)
[09:50] <ogra> hat ?
[09:50] <ogra> whats hat ? 
[09:50] <sistpoty> haskell source tracer
[09:51] <ogra> if it fixes ftbfs and doesnt brak oter stuff, thats fine ...
[09:51] <ogra> *break
[09:52] <sistpoty> I doubt it won't... (no rdepends
[09:52] <sistpoty> +)
[09:52] <sistpoty> err... i doubt it will break stuff, even
[09:55] <sivang> ogra: I filed a join request to MOTU
[09:56] <ogra> sistpoty, fine then
[09:57] <sistpoty> :)
[10:00] <pitti> Hi
[10:01] <sivang> pitti: wb
[10:02] <\sh> k..20 UTC
[10:02] <siretart> did we already start?
[10:02] <sistpoty> no, not on this half of the net ;)
[10:02] <siretart> hehe
[10:03] <sivang> we need to wait for mdz no?
[10:10] <siretart> quorum?
[10:10] <pitti> ... and mdz, a while ago
[10:11] <bddebian> Do be do be dooo
[10:12] <ogra> doko will be late he said
[10:13] <sistpoty> is this a request or a threat? ;)
[10:14] <\sh> hmm....daniels and bddebian working together on xorg...A wonderful changelog dream ,-)
[10:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, go ahead
[10:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: then we can pull out all your MOTU horror stories >:)
[10:14] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:14] <sivang> bddebian: getting approved as a main maintainer? yay for you!
[10:15] <\sh> [bddebian] : introduced new features for i810\n[daniels] : fixed new features of bddebian for i810 (removed)
[10:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks, I can always count on you for support ;-P
[10:15] <bddebian> \sh: ???
[10:15] <\sh> bddebian: nothing...
[10:15] <bddebian> sivang: No, I was kidding
[10:15] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:15] <bddebian> \sh: Where did that come from?
[10:15] <sivang> bddebian: then we can kid together :)
[10:15] <\sh> bddebian: just typed it
[10:16] <bddebian> Oh,hehe
[10:16] <ajmitch> \sh: would that be for release day - 1? :)
[10:16] <\sh> ajmitch: well...can be ;)
[10:16] <sistpoty> btw.: I saw some irclog with \sh on a screensaver, but can't remember what screensaver that was...
[10:16] <\sh> bddebian: or what about a job as elmos left hand?
[10:16] <\sh> what?
[10:16] <\sh> sistpoty: rssreader ?
[10:17] <ogra> there are several
[10:17] <sistpoty> no idea... just had the screensavers set to random
[10:17] <\sh> with \sh on it?
[10:17] <sistpoty> yep
[10:17] <ogra> the text screensavers all read planet if a connection is available
[10:17] <\sh> without my permission? 
[10:17] <sistpoty> ah... thx ogra
[10:17] <ogra> \sh, you published on planet ;)
[10:18] <\sh> ogra: that raises some ideas
[10:18] <bmonty> hi everyone
[10:18] <sistpoty> fortunes-motu?
[10:18] <sistpoty> hi bmonty
[10:18] <\sh> publishing blogentries with embedded midi sounds
[10:18] <ogra> eek
[10:18] <slomo> \sh: like a firework? ;)
[10:18] <ogra> the xscreensaver-text programm wont read it then :)
[10:19] <\sh> slomo: yeah..to get those nice bug reports again: "Screensaver bla disturbed me when I watched Katie Price" ;)
[10:20] <doko> hi
[10:20] <sivang> hey folks
[10:20] <slomo> doko: while you're here... read my mail?
[10:20] <mdz> good morning
[10:20] <ogra> hi mdz
[10:20] <doko> slmo: whichone?
[10:20] <slomo> hi mdz 
[10:20] <sistpoty> hi mdke
[10:21] <sistpoty> mdz even ;)
[10:21] <sivang> hey mdz , doko 
[10:21] <\sh> evening mdz
[10:21] <ajmitch> morning mdz :)
[10:21] <slomo> doko: my only one to you until now ;) about swt-gtk and eclipse... did you already ask elmo, infinity or lamont to remove it from pas to get it build on amd64/ppc?
[10:21] <ogra> \sh, to see katie price just select webwhacker ;)
[10:21] <doko> slomo: pending
[10:21] <\sh> ogra: no...I don't want to see her
[10:21] <ogra> \sh, but do it soon, i'll disable it in the next upload of the package
[10:22] <slomo> doko: ok, fine :)
[10:22] <\sh> ogra: btw...http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64574 ;)
[10:22] <mdz> so we have 11 new developer candidates according to launchpad
[10:23] <mdz> dholbach: are you changing launchpad accounts, or did you list yourself by mistake?
[10:23] <ogra> heh
[10:23] <ogra> he wants to be a MOTU
[10:23] <\sh> mdz: he needs to be approved ;)
[10:23] <siretart> *g*
[10:23] <bddebian> \sh: I wouldn't mind but elmo would probably kill me ;-)
[10:23] <mdz> no he doesn't; he is already a member of ubuntu-core-dev
[10:23] <dholbach> mdz: i changed the mail adress, maybe that's the reason?
[10:24] <ogra> thumbs even
[10:24] <dholbach> ogra: thank you :)
[10:24] <ogra> :)
[10:24] <bddebian> hehe
[10:24] <sivang> guys, there are people here waiting for approval that really need it :)
[10:24] <mdz> ok, we'll go with oldest first
[10:24] <mdz> is Dmitri Alenitchev here?
[10:25] <ogra> no idea who that is
[10:25] <\sh> never saw him...dunno who that is
[10:25] <sivang> mdz: I thought I was the oldest :)
[10:25] <sivang> (that didn't get approved so far)
[10:25] <mdz> sivang: you are not on the list
[10:25] <sivang> mdz: MOTU list? I added myself in launchapd
[10:25] <\sh> sivang: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members
[10:26] <mdz> sivang: you applied for core, not motu
[10:26] <bddebian> w00t
[10:26] <mdz> I am going to decline Dmitri since clearly he isn't aware of the right procedures
[10:26] <mdz> Dmitri Alenitchev?
[10:26] <sivang> mdz: yes, in which I wish to decline this applicatio and replace it in MOTU application, if this is the right place for it
[10:26] <mdz> er
[10:27] <mdz> Jorge Daza Garca-Blanes?
[10:27] <mdz> sivang: no, the right place to apply is launchpad
[10:27] <ogra> mdz, i stil had no time to look up the log, sorry
[10:27] <mdz> sivang: the url that \sh gave above
[10:27] <mdz> StefanPotyra?
[10:27] <sivang> mdz: yes, well, I filed an application for MOTU about 2 hours ago, with the support of ogra
[10:27] <ogra> mdz,  Jorge Daza Garca-Blanes == comadreja is still motu since months
[10:27] <siretart> thats sistpoty
[10:27] <bddebian> sistpoty: ++
[10:28] <mdz> sivang: you must have applied to the wrong team
[10:28] <ogra> sistpoty++
[10:28] <sivang> mdz: I'll retry
[10:28] <mdz> ogra: I don't remember it, so you need to give me the reference
[10:28] <mdz> is sistpoty here?
[10:28] <siretart> sistpoty has got  a dozen packages sponsored
[10:28] <ogra> mr. haskell :)
[10:28] <sistpoty> I'm around, yes
[10:28] <sistpoty> thx. for the cheers
[10:29] <mdz> sistpoty: and you are applying for MOTU?
[10:29] <sistpoty> yes, I am
[10:29] <ogra> mdz, he already did once and was postponed
[10:29] <\sh> sistpoty contributed very well to the motu...and regarding his work on revu...++ from me
[10:29] <ogra> then he couldnt attend some meetings
[10:29] <siretart> he proved packaging and communicationss kills when handling gvr. There was a packaging bug, and upstream asked what was going on. Stefan replied really quick and the issue could be resolved in less than 48 hours
[10:29] <siretart> sistpoty: I think in less than 24h, no?
[10:29] <ogra> but he made the ghc trransition happen on his own :)
[10:30] <sistpoty> siretart: actually it took some longer... maybe 3 days
[10:30] <sivang> mdz: redid it, weird, I guess I Have applied for the wrong team at start.
[10:30] <bddebian> Sorry gang, have to run.  Maybe I'll make it home in time to catch the rest..
[10:30] <sivang> bddebian: later
[10:30] <sistpoty> ogra: slome did very much help, and ghc-transition isn't done yet ;)
[10:30] <sistpoty> slomo even
[10:30] <mdz> ogra: the team called 'motu' should be removed to avoid confusion
[10:30] <dholbach> and he's modest :)
[10:30] <ogra> mdz, its our bug team for default assignment...
[10:31] <ogra> mdz, we use it quite some time already...
[10:31] <mdz> ogra: there is no reason to have two teams, and ubuntu-dev is the one which has been created according to the governance rules and will be used for archive access control
[10:32] <ogra> mdz, will take some time to rearrange stuff, but i'll remove it once all references are gone
[10:32] <mdz> sivang: you're there now
[10:32] <sivang> mdz: k, thanks bmonty noted that to me :)
[10:33] <Seveas> ogra, maybe you can rename it to motu-bugsquashers?
[10:33] <ogra> Seveas, i'll just delete it...
[10:33] <ogra> its just very old and what we use since we use maolne
[10:33] <mdz> I've just been in touch with Keybuk, and he is unable to get network access where he is
[10:33] <ogra> thre are wiki references etc
[10:33] <mdz> sabdfl is travelling and unable to attend the meeting
[10:34] <mdz> so we do not have a quorum here
[10:34] <ogra> sad for sistpoty who will be postponed again...
[10:34] <siretart> :(
[10:35] <mdz> normally I would suggest that we schedule a meeting for next week, but we have the release
[10:35] <mdz> I'll see if we can set one up for later this week
[10:35] <mdz> watch ubuntu-devel
[10:35] <ogra> yes, but there is nothing else on the agenda (excapt someone added anything)
[10:35] <ogra> *except
[10:35] <mdz> right, any other business?
[10:35] <sivang> ogra: then we'll have a quick meeting :)
[10:36] <bmonty> mdz: is it possible to have the next meeting during the weekend?
[10:36] <mdz> I apologize to the applicants who are deferred because of this, but Scott was pulled away at the last minute for work-related reasons
[10:36] <bmonty> I had to request time off from work to come to this meeting
[10:36] <ogra> bmonty, thats hard to decide in absence of the people in charge
[10:36] <mdz> bmonty: it may be possible
[10:36] <siretart> is there anything we can do to reduce noise on ubuntu-devel mailinglist?
[10:36] <sivang> siretart++
[10:36] <mdz> moderate the list
[10:37] <ogra> siretart, ubuntugeek promised to shut down the form link
[10:37] <ajmitch> mdz: shall I ping elmo about about keyring maintenance?
[10:37] <mdz> ajmitch: specifically?
[10:37] <sivang> mdz: it's very hard tracking it for people which must be busy with non ubuntu stuff during to week, and caching on K's of emails on the weekends delays development work
[10:37] <ajmitch> mdz: I was approved for main, sent my key to him but am not in the keyring yet
[10:38] <mdz> ajmitch: are you properly registered in launchpad?
[10:38] <mdz> ajmitch: how long ago did you send it?
[10:38] <ajmitch> mdz: yes, I was approved here a few weeks ago
[10:38] <ajmitch> approx 3 weeks ago, I'll check
[10:39] <ajmitch> sent him key on the 20th
[10:39] <ajmitch> I assumed he'd just be quite busy
[10:39] <mdz> he is, but that is more than enough time to respond
[10:40] <ajmitch> I know he got the email, since he processed the sync requests in it
[10:40] <mdz> perhaps he missed the keyring matter because it was bundled with sync requests
[10:40] <mdz> resend it and CC me
[10:40] <ajmitch> certainly
[10:40] <mdz> sivang: I recommend mutt's thread-delete feature (^D)
[10:41] <mdz> any other business for the board before we adjourn?
[10:41] <Seveas> mdz, no but I have a questiion directed to you personally
[10:42] <mdz> meeting adjourned
[10:42] <mdz> Seveas: ->#ubuntu-devel
[10:42] <Seveas> k
[10:42] <sivang> mdz: ok then, but not alwasy easy to decide if a thread is important or not, and I've seen threads that have almost arbirary subjects , and were important.