[12:05] <zyga> siretart: let's convince canonical to provide jabber.ubuntu.com
[12:06] <tseng> sh provides jabberme.org
[12:06] <tseng> .net rather
[12:07] <slomo> tseng: .net, .org and .de afaik ;)
[12:10] <Nafallo> nafallo@ubuntu.com as JID would be lovely :-)
[12:10] <slomo> hehe... yes :)
[12:10] <Nafallo> and for SIP
[12:10] <Nafallo> and we already got e-mail ;-)
[12:10] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:11] <Nafallo> I wonder if you could had a "jabber-proxy" :-P
[12:11] <Nafallo> nafallo@ubuntu.com -> linux-server.org ;-)
[12:15] <ryu> night
[01:32] <Seveas> anyone awake?
[01:33] <dholbach> good night pals, i'm off to bed
[01:33] <zyga> Seveas: me
[01:33] <Seveas> zyga, do you know how to close bugs on malone?
[01:40] <zyga> Seveas: hmm, mark them as closed..?
[01:40] <zyga> Seveas: I never did actually
[01:40] <zyga> ha
[01:42] <Seveas> zyga, the problem is that I can't find an option to mark it as closed :)
[01:42] <zyga> Seveas: I don't know, sorry :)
[01:43] <Seveas> np
[01:43] <Seveas> Then I just don't close the bug :)
[01:46] <bddebian> Seveas: You actually have to click on the bug description
[01:47] <zyga> okay
[01:47] <zyga> I've got this working :)
[01:48] <zyga> I'm tired
[01:48] <zyga> I hope it's not too late to upload it tomorrow
[01:48] <zyga> :)
[01:48] <zyga> (since it's way too late already)
[01:48] <Seveas> bddebian, right, intuitive...:)
[01:54] <bddebian> Seveas: No, not really.  Apparently he was asked to remove the Edit button???
[01:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: fixed the universe yet?
[01:56] <Seveas> my first malone edit: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/debfoster/+bug/2824
[01:56] <Seveas> I'm so proud ;)
[01:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Of course ;-P
[01:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh good, we can all stop working then :)
[02:00] <bddebian> Shiite
[02:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: If I had some HELP it might be.. ;-P
[02:01] <Seveas> hey, I'm starting to help
[02:01] <Seveas> weeded through bugzilla today
[02:01] <Seveas> trying malone tomorrow
[02:01] <Nafallo> bddebian: ehm. now you're smoking crack ;-). there is only you, Seveas and dholbach :-)
[02:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, and I'm doing nothing, I know
[02:05] <ajmitch> wb ogra ;)
[02:06] <Nafallo> hopefully the last one :-P
[02:06] <ajmitch> depends on how much work he has to do :)
[02:06] <ajmitch> nope, he's still awake
[02:06] <ajmitch> ogra: go to bed :P
[02:07] <Nafallo> ogra: ey! you can't just pop in @ 2 without being awake and here to that time :-P.
[02:07] <ogra> ajmitch, 12942 solved :-D
[02:07] <ogra> my nightmare bug :)
[02:07] <ajmitch> yay
[02:07] <ajmitch> now sleep
[02:08] <Nafallo> lol
[02:08] <ajmitch> ogra: we want you to be sane for UBZ, please :)
[02:08] <Nafallo> dream nightmare about bugs, wake up, fix them, go to sleep :-P
[02:08] <Nafallo> wow
[02:10] <bddebian> Nafallo: How'd you know I was smoking crack :-)
[02:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: You know we love you honey
[02:10] <ajmitch> bddebian: no you don't
[02:11] <ajmitch> all I get here is abuse :P
[02:11] <bddebian> Sure I do :-)
[02:29] <bddebian> Just for the record, gnat-gps SUCKS :-)
[02:38] <crimsun> siretart: 0.4.5 fixes an EAP issue I have on my campus network
[02:45] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[02:45] <tritium> hi there bddebian
[02:47] <zyga> good night everyone :)
[02:47] <tritium> good night, zyga
[02:49] <bddebian> Gnight zyga
[03:31] <bmonty> good evening everyone
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:32] <bddebian> bmonty: Hey, what's your handle on Malone?
[03:32] <bmonty> bmontgom
[03:32] <ajmitch> bddebian: seeing how much you're whipping him in karma?
[03:33] <bmonty> probably by a lot
[03:33] <ajmitch> probably
[03:33] <ajmitch> bddebian is the MOTU legend
[03:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: No I was just curious since he is one of the few of us actually fixing bugs ;-P
[03:34] <bmonty> hey, how do I change my picture on the Malone page?
[03:35] <bddebian> picture??
[03:35] <ajmitch> hackergotchi
[03:35] <ajmitch> launchpad permissions issue
[03:35] <ajmitch> can't do it yet, afaik
[03:35] <bmonty> ok, I look nothing like the cartoon guy there now
[03:35] <bmonty> my hair is much shorter
[03:36] <bmonty> and I have eyes
[03:36] <bddebian> Heh
[03:36] <bddebian> bmonty: Looks like you've been busy though :-)
[03:36] <bmonty> I found some low hanging fruit :)
[03:36] <ajmitch> I need some of that
[03:37] <bddebian> There's always pornview ;-P
[03:38] <bmonty> check out #1709, I put the new version of taglib up on REVU, but version freeze would prevent this from being in breezy, correct?
[08:07] <saintsjd> any GIS software users out there?
[08:09] <saintsjd> sorry, gaim crashed... Any GIS software users out there?
[08:38] <dholbach> morning everybody
[08:38] <\sh> hey dholbach
[08:38] <dholbach> hey \sh :)
[08:39] <jsgotangco> hi dholbach
[08:39] <tritium> hi dholbach
[08:39] <dholbach> morning jerome, michael :)
[08:44] <ajmitch_1> hi dholbach
[08:45] <dholbach> morning andrew
[08:45] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: my dsl is almost as flaky as yours tonight :)
[08:45] <jsgotangco> lol
[08:45] <jsgotangco> mine is ok today
[08:52] <\sh> guys....please mark all "eric3" bugs as invalid, cause the package should be morgued...the new package is named only "eric" and this is working
[08:52] <crimsun> k
[08:52] <ajmitch> ok
[08:53] <ajmitch> \sh: I finally passed 1000 karma today ;)
[08:53] <\sh> wow
[09:37] <Yagisan> G'day MOTU's - dumb question time. Where do I stick .desktop files so they only appear in my menu ?
[09:38] <Yagisan> I'm trying to automate my pbuilder setups - and I don't want other users asking me why it is on their menus
[09:46] <crimsun> "User-specific desktop entry files are located in $HOME/.local/share/applications/"
[09:48] <Yagisan> crimsun: thanks crimsum. It's been a long day today
[10:06] <siretart> morning
[10:06] <crimsun> 'morning
[10:07] <crimsun> siretart: ponged you earlier RE: wpasupplicant
[10:07] <siretart> crimsun: ah, okay. I was a bit surprised, because the changelog was a bit sparse..
[10:07] <crimsun> yeah, I didn't put as much as I normally do
[10:07] <siretart> seems still to work for me (wpasupplicant)
[10:07] <siretart> it's okay, no problem
[10:08] <crimsun> I need to handle the case in .postinst for people who use the example wpa_supplicant.conf
[10:08] <crimsun> (not the new default one that Debian provides)
[10:09] <crimsun> since that example wpa_supplicant.conf has 3 lines related to loading the Open SmartCard stuff that will cause wpasupplicant to bomb since those libs don't exist (libopensc1 isn't installed)
[10:10] <crimsun> won't affect new installations of wpasupplicant; they get the new Debian default automatically
[10:12] <siretart> the new default config for wpasupplicant seems to me way more sane, indeed
[10:13] <siretart> crimsun: I didn't check yet, when installing wpasupplicant, is it enabled by default or do I still have to enable it in /etc/default/wpasupplicant?
[10:13] <Treenaks> crimsun: I want my smartcard slot to work!
[10:13] <Treenaks> crimsun: but it's TI :(
[10:14] <crimsun> siretart: you still have to edit /etc/default/wpasupplicant
[10:14] <crimsun> I tend to agree; we don't want to disturb the current association state on install
[10:14] <siretart> thats great!
[10:15] <crimsun> Treenaks: agreed
[10:15] <siretart> Treenaks: you still can enable it, it is 'just' not in the default config file, but you need to look it up in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/*
[10:16] <Treenaks> siretart: sure, but my card reader is not supported
[10:16] <siretart> thats another problem ;)
[10:16] <Treenaks> siretart: because TI is boneheaded about its specs
[10:17] <siretart> uuuh. today technical board meeting?
[10:29] <dholbach> slomo_: already awake?
[10:30] <dholbach> slomo_: any idea on ubuntu bug #16972?
[10:46] <slomo_> dholbach: hi... now i'm awake ;)
[10:46] <dholbach> excellent
[11:29] <dholbach> re
[11:29] <zyga> hey
[11:29] <ajmitch> hi
[11:29] <zyga> who can sync packages from unstable?
[11:29] <zyga> elmo?
[11:29] <ajmitch> yes, but a MOTU shoudl ask
[11:30] <zyga> I ask for someone to ask to sync ruby
[11:30] <zyga> ruby 1.8.3-1 contains security and important bug fix
[11:30] <ajmitch> that's something that would be good to get a fair bit of testing before sync
[11:30] <ajmitch> dholbach: your opinion?
[11:30] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm about to break UVF again for avahi, btw
[11:30] <zyga> I'm green so I will follow your opinion
[11:31] <zyga> I repackaged alexandria 0.6.1 yesterday
[11:31] <zyga> and it crashes with our ruby (internal ruby error)
[11:31] <zyga> on the unstable version it works okay
[11:31] <zyga> on the other hand
[11:31] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yep, ross said 0.5.2 went in
[11:31] <Lathiat> ajmitch: i couldnt see it on ftp.debian.org about an hour ago tho
[11:31] <zyga> I created a libzoom-ruby package and I'd love to get it in REVU
[11:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: incoming
[11:32] <zyga> could anyone suggest how (dput/dwhatever?)
[11:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I know that it went in :P
[11:32] <Lathiat> ajmitch: you can sync from incoming?
[11:32] <ajmitch> and I've already built & tested on breezy
[11:32] <ajmitch> elmo can
[11:32] <dholbach> zyga: should be on http://wiki.ubnutu.co,/
[11:32] <Lathiat> ok
[11:32] <Lathiat> let me do a test first
[11:32] <Lathiat> can you throw me the url?
[11:32] <ajmitch> bah
[11:32] <dholbach> zyga: should be on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[11:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: incoming.debian.org
[11:32] <zyga> dholbach: okay, I'll bug you with questions should the need arise :)
[11:32] <dholbach> zyga: rather ask the channel
[11:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch: oh you tested it already?
[11:33] <dholbach> :)
[11:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch: what did you try?
[11:33] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I've built & installed, anyway
[11:33] <zyga> dholbach: certainly
[11:33] <ajmitch> Lathiat: have had a friend over, so haven't ran/built apps
[11:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch: just make sure avahi-discover works
[11:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch: if that works shouldnt be a problem
[11:33] <Lathiat> should probably check avahi-browse too
[11:33] <Lathiat> (c vs python)
[11:33] <ajmitch> a-d works
[11:34] <ajmitch> as does a-b
[11:34] <dholbach> it'd be nice, if avahi and ruby both got testing... updating ruby seems a bit awkward to me - i mean, can we make sure that all ruby crack just works after that? (or are those serious fixes we need to get in?)
[11:34] <Lathiat> i can test ruby stuff
[11:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: lathiat is upstream for avahi, I think we know what's happening there :)
[11:34] <dholbach> i see :)
[11:34] <Lathiat> yeh 0.5.2 is just a minor bugfix release
[11:34] <ajmitch> dholbach: plus very little rdepends on avahi at the moment
[11:34] <Lathiat> altho, 0.5 hasn't gone in yet
[11:34] <Lathiat> but yeh
[11:34] <Lathiat> its working fine
[11:34] <dholbach> nevertheless... testing :))
[11:35] <ajmitch> I've had 0.5 here with no issues
[11:35] <ajmitch> for at least a week
[11:35] <Lathiat> ditto
[11:35] <Lathiat> hell it works better than svn ;p
[11:35] <ajmitch> so I'm confident that 0.5.2 can go int
[11:35] <Lathiat> haha
[11:35] <ajmitch> s/int/in/
[11:36] <ajmitch> and we can press sebest for the service-discovery-applet so slomo or one of us can update it & upload
[11:36] <Lathiat> it already is uploaded
[11:36] <slomo> ajmitch: context please ;)
[11:36] <Lathiat> does it need fixes?
[11:36] <ajmitch> Lathiat: I mean 0.2
[11:36] <Lathiat> oh, theres a 0.2?
[11:36] <ajmitch> when he releases that
[11:36] <Lathiat> i dont know that hes made any changes
[11:36] <Lathiat> i'll ask
[11:36] <ajmitch> that's why I say we shoudl press sebest :)
[11:36] <ajmitch> he was asking about it yesterday
[11:36] <Lathiat> ah
[11:37] <slomo> Lathiat: he did many... he just needs to clean up his code before release ;)
[11:37] <Lathiat> slomo: ah ok
[11:37] <ajmitch> so get out your thumbscrews
[11:37] <Lathiat> i was away last 3 days so i wasn't watching #avahi
[11:37] <ajmitch> no excuse :)
[11:37] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ok to ask elmo for sync?
[11:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yep
[11:38] <slomo> Lathiat: want to annoy ross for getting 0.5.2 packages? ;) or even better 0.5.3 about which someone said something in #avahi yesterday ;)
[11:38] <slomo> ajmitch: sync for what?
[11:38] <Lathiat> slomo: 0.5.2 is already in incoming for debian
[11:38] <slomo> oh perfect :)
[11:38] <Lathiat> slomo: as for 0.5.3 well thats not there yet but i heard some c# stuff is bogus
[11:38] <ajmitch> slomo: 0.5.2 is going to experimental, I'm asking for sync now
[11:38] <slomo> i hope he has read my email before he uploaded it... i had an improvement
[11:38] <Lathiat> slomo: about?
[11:38] <slomo> ajmitch: so wait before you ask for a sync...
[11:39] <slomo> libavahi-cil should be architecture all, not any
[11:39] <Lathiat> thats fixed
[11:39] <Lathiat> in 0.5.2
[11:39] <ajmitch> slomo: already is
[11:39] <Lathiat> err
[11:39] <Lathiat> 0.5.1
[11:39] <slomo> ok, fine :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> slomo: we've checked & tested :)
[11:39] <Lathiat> hrm, if mono wants a .so, how can i tell it where to find it, its in the current directory, LD_LIBRARY_PATH didnt make a difference
[11:40] <slomo> Lathiat: it's in the same directory as the .exe?
[11:40] <Lathiat> slomo: yes
[11:40] <zyga> which standards version should I use
[11:40] <slomo> Lathiat: ok... either LD_LIBRARY_PATH or use dllmappings
[11:40] <slomo> zyga: 3.6.2
[11:40] <ajmitch> zyga: 3.6.2
[11:40] <zyga> ok
[11:40] <Lathiat> hrm LD_LIBRARY_PATH didnt work
[11:41] <ajmitch> Lathiat: sync requested
[11:41] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/bleh.txt
[11:41] <slomo> Lathiat: then try to workaround with dllmappings... you can specify a path there too
[11:41] <slomo> Lathiat: yes, dllmapping... wait, i get docs for you ;)
[11:41] <Lathiat> ok
[11:41] <Lathiat> this sucks
[11:42] <Lathiat> why cant it just find a .so with the same name in the current dir
[11:42] <slomo> http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s7.2
[11:42] <slomo> it's not the same name... it's just wx-c instead of libwx-c.so
[11:42] <Lathiat> hrm
<dllmap dll="wx-c" target="libwx-c.so"/></configuration> should do the trick
[11:42] <Lathiat> i thought libw as stripped on linux
[11:43] <Lathiat> and that goes in wx-c.dll.config ?
[11:43] <slomo> depends... where do you use the p/invoke?
[11:43] <Lathiat> im not, its this wx.NET library im trying to get working
[11:44] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, name it $dllname.dll.config
[11:44] <slomo> and put it in the same directory
[11:44] <Lathiat> so wx-c.dll.config right?
[11:44] <slomo> yes
[11:44] <Lathiat> and i think i just figured out why its not working
[11:44] <Lathiat> missing libraries for the .so :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> sigh :P
[11:45] <zyga> zyga@falcon:~/my-alexandria-package$ lintian alexandria*.dsc
[11:45] <zyga> whiprush: alexandria source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[11:45] <zyga> whiprush: alexandria source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.6.1
[11:45] <zyga> what is nmu?
[11:45] <slomo> Lathiat: that could be another reason ;) but the dllmapping would be useful too
[11:45] <slomo> zyga: non maintainer upload... nothing to worry about
[11:45] <zyga> and the changelog version?
[11:46] <Lathiat> ok
[11:46] <slomo> zyga: ignore it too when it's really correct... but shouldn't it be something like 0.6.1ubuntu1?
[11:46] <zyga> slomo: ah, right!
[11:47] <zyga> heh, dch is neet - it renamed the directory :)
[11:48] <slomo> but it tells you about that ;)
[11:48] <zyga> yes :)
[11:48] <zyga> I the changelog I replace unstable with breezy, is that okay?
[11:49] <ajmitch> zyga: it's required
[11:49] <zyga> good
[11:50] <zyga> just as a side question
[11:50] <zyga> my local ruby version synced from unstable should be renamed from 1.8.3-1 to 1.8.3ubuntu1
[11:50] <zyga> right?
[11:50] <ajmitch> why?
[11:51] <ajmitch> if it's a straight sync it keeps the version number from sid
[11:51] <zyga> okay
[11:51] <slomo> zyga: 1.8.3-1ubuntu1... but why do you want to sync it?
[11:51] <ajmitch> a sync being one we request from elmo
[11:52] <slomo> hm... funny... i have 1.8.2-1 installed and it tells me it is 1.8.3
[11:52] <zyga> slomo: because the version we have now is broken
[11:52] <zyga> it has many patches ported from the next version but something is not okay
[11:53] <zyga> alexandria for example crashes with internal errors
[11:53] <zyga> (ruby internal errors)
[11:53] <slomo> zyga: ok... so request a sync when it really works and solves the problems
[11:53] <zyga> on 1.8.3-1 it works like a charm
[11:53] <slomo> zyga: it's scary anway to have 1.8.2 installed and telling you it is 1.8.3 ;)
[11:53] <ajmitch> slomo: you mean, ask a MOTU to request a sync :)
[11:54] <slomo> oh yes, sure
[11:54] <zyga> BTW: is there any point of building a module for 1.6 anymore?
[11:54] <\sh> Lunch time
[11:54] <ajmitch> not being a ruby person, I don't know how useful 1.6 is
[11:54] <zyga> we still have 1.6 in breezy
[11:54] <zyga> sync
[11:54] <slomo> zyga: are there any modules built with 1.6?
[11:54] <ajmitch> and not being a ruby person, I'm not the one to ask for a sync :)
[11:55] <zyga> ha :)
[11:55] <zyga> pretty
[11:55] <Lathiat> 1.8 is current
[11:55] <zyga> everything works fine
[11:55] <zyga> okay so now I'll try to upload those packages
[11:55] <zyga> first libzoom-ruby
[11:55] <slomo> Lathiat: do you know more about ruby than me and ajmitch? so maybe you want to request the sync ;)
[11:55] <zyga> done :)
[11:55] <zyga> cool
[11:55] <Lathiat> slomo: well im hardly an expert
[11:56] <Lathiat> slomo: i've just been using it
[11:56] <Lathiat> slomo: whats up with it?
[11:56] <slomo> Lathiat: our version seems to be broken
[11:56] <zyga> next alexandria
[11:56] <Lathiat> slomo: ah, in what way?
[11:56] <Lathiat> of which version
[11:56] <slomo> oh
[11:56] <slomo> bad luck
[11:56] <Lathiat> 1.{6,7,9} ?
[11:56] <slomo> it's in main
[11:56] <Lathiat> it is?
[11:56] <slomo> 1.8.2 with many patches from 1.8.3 ;) it even tells one it is 1.8.3...
[11:56] <Lathiat> ah, 1.8 is
[11:57] <zyga> both uploads done :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> Lathiat: if you request a sync, you're responsible for fixing any breakage before release :)
[11:57] <slomo> ajmitch: he has to talk to mdz before that about breaking uvf :P
[11:57] <Lathiat> i don't plan to be responsible for that, because im hardly qualified to go fixing it
[11:57] <Lathiat> maybe next release cycle :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> slomo: is ruby in main? :)
[11:58] <slomo> ajmitch: yes
[11:58] <Lathiat> ruby1.8 is in main
[11:58] <ajmitch> oh well then
[11:58] <Lathiat> 1.8 isnt
[11:58] <Lathiat> err
[11:58] <Lathiat> 1.9
[11:58] <Lathiat> but 1.8 is the most used version, and yeh
[11:58] <ajmitch> we've got *much* less chance of getting a sync then :)
[11:58] <zyga> hmm
[11:58] <zyga> 1.9 is the devel version
[11:58] <zyga> we need 1.8
[11:58] <zyga> but a working 1.8
[11:58] <Lathiat> well it seems to be working
[11:58] <Lathiat> for the stuff im doign at least
[11:59] <slomo> ajmitch: well... we currently have something 1.8.3-similar... and the sync would fix some breakages... maybe mdz allows a sync then
[11:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: mdz is very very wary of any UVF breakage at this late point
[11:59] <zyga> hmm okay I don't know then
[11:59] <ajmitch> slomo: we don't know if there might be some regressions
[11:59] <zyga> our 1.8.2-9 (which tells it's 1.8.3) is broken for me
[11:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: im sure
[12:00] <slomo> zyga: get the debdiff between both and upload it somewhere... maybe we can just backport the fixes or something...
[12:00] <Lathiat> so the rails stuff and the gtk stuff seems to be working for me, i dont know anymore past that
[12:00] <zyga> slomo: sure, one moment
[12:00] <zyga> Lathiat: could you check my fresh alexandria package
[12:01] <zyga> maybe I'm doing something wrong
[12:01] <slomo> zyga: and how can one reproduce the crash?
[12:01] <zyga> slomo: just run the program :)
[12:01] <zyga> it doesn't run
[12:01] <zyga> ruby internal gobs
[12:01] <slomo> ok... ours in the archives? or is it only with yours?
[12:02] <zyga> slomo: we have both ruby and alexandria
[12:02] <zyga> slomo: but you neet to take a look at my alexandria, 0.6.1
[12:02] <slomo> zyga: "Message: wrong number of arguments (1 for 2)"
[12:02] <slomo> this one?
[12:02] <zyga> slomo: no
[12:02] <slomo> where is your 0.6.1?
[12:02] <zyga> slomo: more like, invalid node type 0 or something like this
[12:03] <zyga> slomo: it should appear in revu - unless I did something wrong
[12:03] <Seveas> I've been fixing a simple bug (Malone #2820), what should I do with the resulting deb/changes/diff.gz to make it easy for you to use?
[12:03] <zyga> I can put the source on the web if you like
[12:03] <slomo> zyga: ok... i'll look at revu ;)
[12:03] <slomo> Seveas: upload debdiff somewhere
[12:03] <zyga> okay I'll get the debdiff for ruby
[12:03] <Seveas> slomo, ok
[12:03] <slomo> zyga: when did you upload it to revu?
[12:04] <zyga> slomo: 2 minutes ago
[12:04] <slomo> zyga: hehe ok... so let's wait 6 minutes :)
[12:04] <zyga> :)
[12:04] <zyga> just enough time to debdiff ruby1.8
[12:06] <Seveas> hmm, the debdiff shows nothing interesting...
[12:07] <slomo> Seveas: ? then you didn't change anything ;)
[12:07] <Seveas> I've merely changed the initscript in debian/tor.init
[12:07] <slomo> Seveas: and that's visible in the debdiff?
[12:07] <zyga> http://www.suxx.pl/ubuntu/ruby.debdiff
[12:08] <Seveas> slomo, no :S
[12:08] <zyga> awww
[12:08] <zyga> that's 4.1MB
[12:08] <ajmitch> Seveas: if it's not in the debdiff, then the change isn't done right :)
[12:09] <slomo> zyga: uh... maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel about ruby and tell them your problem etc
[12:09] <zyga> okay
[12:10] <slomo> maybe there is a ruby guy
[12:13] <Seveas> ajmitch, well, the file is changed, the package is built but debdiff shows nothing
[12:13] <zyga> siretart: ping
[12:15] <Seveas> ah right
[12:15] <Seveas> nvm, got the error :)
[12:16] <Seveas> slomo, and once I've uploaded the debdiff, I should do what?
[12:17] <slomo> Seveas: show it some motu and ask him to upload it
[12:18] <slomo> ajmitch: do you have some time to look at one of my packages and tell me if it would be ok for debian?
[12:19] <ajmitch> slomo: I might be able to look :)
[12:19] <ajmitch> slomo: you've seen how bad some debian packages are, so quality is no obstacle ;)
[12:19] <slomo> ajmitch: it's wavpack... just tell me everything that is not good there except the version number ;)
[12:19] <Seveas> slomo, ok, http://seveas.demon.nl/triage/tor.debdiff have a look ;)
[12:20] <ajmitch> Seveas: you said it wasn't in the debdiff, but it's obviously right there?
[12:20] <Seveas> yes, i found the error in my brain
[12:20] <ajmitch> aha
[12:26] <zyga> can anyone besides sireart check why my upload didn't appear on revu?
[12:28] <slomo> Seveas: looks fine
[12:30] <Seveas> slomo, cool, so you will upload?
[12:31] <slomo> yes
[12:33] <slomo> Seveas: uploaded... katie should talk to you at :35
[12:33] <Seveas> nice thanks
[12:33] <Seveas> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/tinyca/+bug/2800
[12:33] <Seveas> debian has a newer version which corrects this serious bug
[12:34] <Seveas> should I backport the fix (few lines) or ask for the new version to be included?
[12:34] <Seveas> (just getting into this business, I hope you don't mind the heaps of questions)
[12:35] <slomo> ask for sync
[12:36] <Seveas> ok, who to ask?
[12:36] <Seveas> elmo?
[12:37] <slomo> yes... you are no MOTU so someone else has to ask... and i have to learn for an exam tomorrow now :/ sorry
[12:37] <Seveas> ok, no prob, I'll bug another MOTU
[12:38] <Seveas> ajmitch, still here?
[12:38] <crimsun> which package from Sid?
[12:39] <crimsun> tinyca?
[12:39] <Seveas> yes
[12:39] <ajmitch> crimsun: yes
[12:39] <crimsun> ah.
[12:39] <crimsun> hmm, no elmo.
[12:39] <ajmitch> crimsun: email
[12:39] <crimsun> yep, doing that.
[12:40] <crimsun> thanks, Seveas.
[12:41] <Seveas> np
[12:42] <Mithrandir> are anybody working on packaging the deskbar-applet?
[12:42] <slomo> Seveas: got mail from katie?
[12:43] <slomo> Mithrandir: what's that?
[12:43] <Mithrandir> slomo: http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/index.php/2005-10-02/deskbar-applet-hotness
[12:43] <Seveas> slomo, no, she seems not to like me
[12:43] <Mithrandir> slomo: I was looking for a "yes" or "no", really; just trying to avoid clashes.
[12:43] <slomo> Seveas: hmm... and on breezy changes there's also nothing
[12:43] <slomo> Mithrandir: i can only give you a "don't know" ;)
[12:44] <slomo> Mithrandir: but seems to be useful so package it :)
[12:47] <slomo> ajmitch: and when wavpack is ok for you... do you also want to upload it for me after i changed version number und distribution?
[12:47] <ajmitch> slomo: I haven't had a chance to check it yet :P
[12:48] <crimsun> Seveas: CC'd you.
[12:48] <slomo> ajmitch: no hurry :) i have to learn now anyway
[12:48] <Seveas> slomo, doesn't show up at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html either
[12:49] <slomo> Seveas: are you whitelisted for katie?
[12:50] <Seveas> slomo, no, this was my first ever bugfix
[12:50] <Seveas> (that I submitted here)
[12:50] <slomo> Seveas: ask elmo to whitelist your email address :)
[12:51] <Seveas> ah ok, I thought you would upload it under your name :)
[12:53] <zyga> who can manage revu besides siretart
[01:03] <Seveas> slomo, I assume that after this whitelisting has been done, I need to ping you again to retry the upload, right?
[01:04] <slomo> Seveas: yes... as i don't know what went wrong ;) in that mail you didn't get it was written
[01:05] <Seveas> ok
[01:05] <Seveas> then I'll wait with a few other debdiffs I have until this is settled
[01:05] <slomo> Seveas: you can just go on... your debdiff was alright :) it would have been a mistake on my side
[01:21] <Seveas> grmbl, why does dpkg-buildpackage think a -0ubuntu1 version is a native debian package?
[01:27] <\sh> zyga: whats up with revu?
[01:29] <\sh> hmmmm....wesnoth 1.0
[01:32] <Lathiat> ajmitch: dont suppose you know anythign about lca
[01:33] <ajmitch> Lathiat: not terribly much, why?
[01:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh thats the problem :)
[01:33] <zyga> \sh: hi
[01:33] <ajmitch> heh
[01:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch: theyve been very quiet and rather overdue on speakers
[01:33] <ajmitch> not enough info getting out there?
[01:33] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:33] <zyga> \sh: I've uploaded two packages half an hour ago
[01:33] <ajmitch> last I heard the CFP was extended
[01:33] <Lathiat> havent even heard back on my submission let alone public announcement of speakers
[01:33] <ajmitch> 23.9.2005
[01:33] <zyga> \sh: and they're gone
[01:33] <ajmitch> Due to the overwhelming number of paper submissions, we have had to push back the dates for notifying and announcing the successful authors. This has also had the unfortunate effect of pushing the Program and "Early Bird Registrations" back a few days. Apologies go out to anyone that has been inconvenienced by this delay. New dates can be found in our Dates Page
[01:33] <Lathiat> and its been 2 weeks ince the supposed date
[01:33] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:33] <crimsun> Seveas: flood bots are back, should we set +r in #ubuntu?
[01:33] <zyga> any insight/
[01:33] <Lathiat> oh yeh, but still
[01:34] <\sh> zyga: hmmm....your key is on revu?
[01:34] <Seveas> crimsun, only if it becomes diruptive
[01:34] <Seveas> banning bot hosts is useless btw
[01:34] <crimsun> k.
[01:35] <zyga> \sh: I don't know how to check but siretart added it himself AFAIK
[01:35] <\sh> zyga:
[01:35] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu  924 2005-10-04 05:56 alexandria_0.6.1ubuntu1_i386.changes
[01:35] <crimsun> yeah, I'm about to remove all my bans and just set +r
[01:35] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu 1258 2005-10-04 05:54 libzoom-ruby_0.2.1ubuntu1_i386.changes
[01:35] <ajmitch> Lathiat: especially as early bird registrations are meant to open this week - but at what price?
[01:35] <zyga> :-)
[01:35] <zyga> \sh: cool
[01:35] <zyga> \sh: so why are they not on the revu list?
[01:35] <\sh> zyga: because they're rejected
[01:35] <zyga> hmm
[01:35] <zyga> why?
[01:36] <\sh> alexdria == new package? why not 0.6.1-0ubuntu1?
[01:36] <zyga> \sh: alexandria is an upgrade from 0.5.1
[01:36] <slomo> zyga: so do -0ubuntu1
[01:36] <zyga> okay
[01:36] <\sh> and what about libzoom?
[01:36] <zyga> that
[01:37] <zyga> libzoom is a new package
[01:37] <zyga> alexandria needs it
[01:37] <\sh> so as wenn 0.2.1-0ubuntu1
[01:37] <zyga> okay
[01:38] <\sh> s/wenn/well/
[01:38] <slomo> is someone using evolution here and wants to confirm a bug for me?
[01:38] <\sh> slomo: which one?
[01:39] <zyga> \sh so what is the version scheme here?
[01:39] <slomo> search a mail with that entry at the top of the mail lists... click on a signed mail, click on "reset search" (or how it's called in english... verwerfen in german) and it freezes
[01:39] <zyga> upstream-NubuntuM
[01:39] <zyga> what are N and M
[01:40] <\sh> zyga: packages not in debian, and new to ubuntu -0ubuntu1
[01:40] <\sh> zyga: packages new in ubuntu, but old version in debian, -0ubuntu1
[01:40] <zyga> (isn't that the same ?)
[01:41] <\sh> zyga: packages in debian, not in ubuntu == sync or merge, if merge then <debian-version>-<debian-rev>ubuntuX
[01:41] <\sh> zyga: same version, but different backround ;)
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: oh....
[01:41] <\sh> slomo: w8 i filed it upstream ;)
[01:42] <\sh> slomo: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317790
[01:42] <\sh> slomo: it has nothing to do with the search..there are other reasons ;)
[01:42] <\sh> slomo: please read the bug notice, and add your issue as well :) I think it has the same reason
[01:43] <slomo> \sh: ok... it locks up while checking the gpg signature in my case
[01:43] <siretart> zyga: what was your keyid again?
[01:43] <\sh> slomo: yes...that's same for me...or at any other stage while it's trying to fetch new mail
[01:43] <zyga> siretart: B3020F9C
[01:44] <zyga> siretart: hi :)
[01:44] <zyga> I've just re-uploaded those packages
[01:44] <zyga> with fixed version numbers
[01:44] <siretart> no need to
[01:44] <zyga> hmm
[01:44] <\sh> siretart: the version numbers are wrong...anyways ;)
[01:44] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[01:44] <\sh> hey ajmitch  :)
[01:44] <siretart> \sh: oh, okay
[01:45] <\sh> I was at lunch ;)
[01:45] <\sh> trying to build wesnoth 1.0 ;)
[01:45] <\sh> from debian ;)
[01:45] <slomo> \sh: ok... with backtrace ;)
[01:45] <zyga> uff :)
[01:45] <\sh> slomo: u have a backtrace? nice :)
[01:45] <zyga> siretart: so now I just need to wait 5 minutes, right?
[01:45] <slomo> \sh: sure... it's easy to get one
[01:45] <siretart> zyga: so I can delete the rejected alexandria and libruby packages, yes?
[01:45] <zyga> yes
[01:46] <siretart> zyga: I just did a manual run
[01:46] <siretart> should be already on the list
[01:46] <zyga> yay :)
[01:46] <zyga> they are
[01:46] <\sh> slomo: well...I will try to get the stack backtrace this evening...
[01:46] <zyga> thanks alot :)
[01:46] <siretart> cleanup done
[01:46] <zyga> siretart: directory (/var/revu/revu1-incoming/libzoom-ruby-0510040744/) of upload (690) not found
[01:47] <siretart> whaat?!
[01:47] <zyga> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=691
[01:47] <slomo> \sh: gdb is more useful for multithreaded stuff
[01:47] <siretart> gnarf
[01:47] <zyga> and upid=690
[01:47] <siretart> stupid me..
[01:47] <\sh> slomo: i never did this ;)
[01:48] <\sh> slomo: I'm trying to avoid debuggers ;) debugging software is the worst you can do..
[01:48] <siretart> hm. there went something horribly wrong when importing
[01:48] <slomo> \sh: ok, added my comment
[01:49] <slomo> \sh: looks like a deadlock... all threads are in something that blocks
[01:49] <\sh> slomo: how do i connect via gdb to the running process?
[01:49] <slomo> \sh: gdb --pid $pid
[01:49] <\sh> ok
[01:49] <\sh> thx
[01:50] <siretart> zyga: could you please reupload?
[01:50] <zyga> siretart: sure
[01:51] <zyga> libzoom-ruby done
[01:51] <slomo> \sh: hope we get a fix for this and all my other bugs for breezy ;)
[01:51] <zyga> alexandria done
[01:51] <Seveas> does anyone know this: why does dpkg-buildpackage think a -0ubuntu1 version is a native debian package?
[01:52] <zyga> BTW: alexandria had a maintainer in debian, I kept the maintainer entry in control file, is that okay?
[01:52] <ajmitch> Seveas: missing orig.tar.gz
[01:52] <Seveas> ajmitch, no it's there
[01:52] <slomo> Seveas: probably because you don't have a correctly named orig.tar.gz in the parent dir of your source tree
[01:52] <ajmitch> Seveas: then it's badly named
[01:52] <slomo> Seveas: how is it called?
[01:52] <ajmitch> Seveas: should be package_upstreamversion.orig.tar.gz
[01:52] <ajmitch> eg f-spot_0.1.3.orig.tar.gz
[01:52] <ajmitch> for the package f-spot 0.1.3-1
[01:53] <Seveas> apt-get source whereami, cd whereami-$updtream-version, dch -i, set version to $upstream-oubuntu1
[01:53] <Seveas> hmm ok, it's not named orig.tar.gz
[01:53] <ajmitch> Seveas: why -0ubuntu1?
[01:53] <ajmitch> is it a new upstream version?
[01:53] <Seveas> ajmitch, because I applied a fix
[01:54] <ajmitch> wrong version number then
[01:54] <ajmitch> whereami is version 0.3.20
[01:54] <ajmitch> so it becomes 0.3.20ubuntu1
[01:54] <Seveas> right
[01:54] <siretart> zyga: sorry, you just found a bug in my process_changes.py script :(
[01:54] <ajmitch> and it is a native package then
[01:54] <zyga> :-)))
[01:54] <Seveas> thanks
[01:55] <siretart> zyga: could you please try running linda on your changes file?
[01:55] <siretart> zyga: does this work or do you get an exception?
[01:56] <siretart> hmmmm
[01:56] <zyga> siretart: Iinda breaks
[01:56] <zyga> lintian works
[01:56] <zyga> I did try linda but it throws an exceptio
[01:56] <siretart> zyga: same here, thats the reason I cannot import your upload
[01:56] <siretart> very strange
[01:57] <siretart> somethings seems to be weird with your package
[01:57] <Seveas> hmm linda gives me exceptions too
[01:57] <zyga> if dies on both packages
[01:57] <siretart> and the problem is, I don't have time to debug it right now :(
[01:57] <Seveas> (on a completely different package)
[01:57] <zyga> siretart: I used dh_make, nothing speciall is there
[01:57] <siretart> IndexError: list index out of range
[01:58] <siretart> thats my exception
[01:58] <zyga> and I did look at other ruby packages to get idea of what to put where
[01:58] <Seveas>   File "/usr/lib/site-python/linda/output.py", line 79, in return_trans
[01:58] <Seveas>     trans.charset(), 'replace').encode(trans.charset()))
[01:58] <Seveas> TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None
[01:58] <siretart> gnarf. why does it work on ither pacckages?!
[01:58] <siretart> :/
[01:58] <Seveas> I get that on all deb/changes/dsc i try (whereami and tor)
[01:59] <zyga> Seveas: I got that too
[01:59] <\sh> siretart: path to the changes file now?
[01:59] <Seveas> zyga, must be a bug in linda
[02:00] <siretart> \sh: ~siretart/incoming
[02:00] <siretart> \sh: linda ~siretart/incoming/alexandria_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[02:00] <siretart> sorry, need to go :*(/learn compiler stuff :(
[02:01] <zyga> siretart: you study compilers?
[02:01] <siretart> \sh: if you want to debug it, the main problem importing fail is that /srv/revu1/scripts/query-changes.py -n -c alexandria_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_i386.changes fails
[02:01] <siretart> \sh: query-changes uses the ChangesParser from linda
[02:01] <siretart> zyga: yes
[02:01] <\sh> siretart: k
[02:02] <crimsun> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316565
[02:02] <zyga> siretart: cool, me too ;)
[02:02] <crimsun> it's fixed in linda 0.3.16
[02:03] <siretart> oh
[02:03] <\sh> siretart: Architecture: source all
[02:03] <siretart> argl
[02:03] <\sh> siretart: but when I see our changes from breezy...I can see only : source
[02:03] <siretart> okay, so we need a newer changes parser..
[02:04] <\sh> siretart: hmmm...jdong -> backports ,-)
[02:04] <siretart> zyga: you did not use -S -sa
[02:04] <siretart> zyga: please upload only changes files created with options '-S -sa'
[02:05] <zyga> siretart: ah
[02:05] <siretart> the bug is that process-uploads doesn't handle the case of binary uploads (which we dont want anyway)
[02:05] <zyga> so dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa
[02:05] <siretart> jepp
[02:05] <zyga> k
[02:05] <siretart> puh
[02:05] <siretart> nothing too serious then. now I can go back to learning with clean concious ;)
[02:06] <zyga> siretart: I've got two .changes files now
[02:06] <zyga> _source.changes? right?
[02:06] <siretart> zyga: exactly!
[02:06] <siretart> zyga: thanks
[02:06] <zyga> hmm
[02:07] <slomo> \sh: perfect :)
[02:07] <zyga> No signature on /home/zyga/my-alexandria-package/alexandria_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes.
[02:07] <zyga> buildpackage previously signed everything...
[02:09] <zyga> eh
[02:09] <zyga> why doesn't it sign this package
[02:09] <siretart> zyga: use debsign
[02:10] <\sh> slomo: it reminds me sometimes of one of my famouse windows games...what was the game again...
[02:10] <zyga> siretart: it says .dsc is already signed
[02:10] <zyga> but when I upload .source.changes it says it's not
[02:10] <slomo> \sh: wesnoth is round based? civilisation or alpha centauri maybe?
[02:11] <zyga> siretart: dput revu *.dsc
[02:11] <zyga> ?
[02:11] <\sh> slomo: no...heroes III ;)
[02:11] <slomo> zyga: you have to sign the .changes
[02:11] <\sh> http://www.lokigames.com/products/heroes3/
[02:11] <\sh> I have it original for linux from lokigames ;)
[02:12] <zyga> ...
[02:12] <slomo> \sh: ah ok... that was interesting too :) from lokigames i only have run ;) sadly they closed :( i think today that would have a good chance to stay in business
[02:12] <slomo> \sh: rune even
[02:13] <zyga> http://pastebin.com/382566
[02:13] <zyga> cannot upload now
[02:14] <\sh> slomo: yeah
[02:14] <zyga> anyone?
[02:14] <slomo> \sh: please remove zyga's upload from incoming ;)
[02:15] <\sh> moment ;)
[02:15] <zyga> the wiki really wasn't intended for new contributors IMHO :)
[02:15] <\sh> done
[02:16] <zyga> okay uploading
[02:16] <zyga> yes!, it worked
[02:16] <zyga> \sh: did you remove both alexandria and libzoom-ruby?
[02:17] <slomo> zyga: and for ruby... please file a bug at bugzilla with somewhat high severity
[02:18] <\sh> zyga: yep
[02:18] <zyga> slomo: you are talking about ruby1.8.2-9, right?
[02:18] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu      8991 2005-10-04 08:15 alexandria_0.6.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[02:18] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu       645 2005-10-04 08:15 alexandria_0.6.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:18] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu       953 2005-10-04 08:15 alexandria_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[02:18] <slomo> zyga: yes
[02:18] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu    929638 2005-10-04 08:15 alexandria_0.6.1.orig.tar.gz
[02:19] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu      3036 2005-10-04 08:17 libzoom-ruby_0.2.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[02:19] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu       717 2005-10-04 08:17 libzoom-ruby_0.2.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[02:19] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu      1106 2005-10-04 08:17 libzoom-ruby_0.2.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[02:19] <\sh> -rw-------  1 siretart revu     25107 2005-10-04 08:17 libzoom-ruby_0.2.1.orig.tar.gz
[02:19] <\sh> coffee :)
[02:19] <zyga> thanks \sh :))
[02:22] <tseng> \sh: what jabberd did you use?
[02:22] <tseng> \sh: jabberd2 is ridiculous
[02:36] <zyga> \sh: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libzoom-ruby-0510040820/libzoom-ruby_0.2.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[02:37] <zyga> You don't have permission to access /revu1-incoming/libzoom-ruby-0510040820/libzoom-ruby_0.2.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes on this server.
[02:38] <\sh> zyga: that is correct
[02:38] <\sh> tseng: ejabberd
[02:38] <\sh> tseng: the erlang version...
[02:38] <\sh> tseng: jabberd2 was to buggy...
[02:39] <\sh> zyga: is not a mistake :)
[02:40] <zyga> \sh: oh, okay
[02:40] <zyga> I've got a typo in alexandria's control file
[02:40] <zyga> apparently a missing comma will make the dependency system crazy :(
[02:40] <zyga> I'm fixing that
[02:46] <tseng> \sh: i figured it out
[02:46] <tseng> \sh: its great!
[03:07] <zyga> what should I do with the existing maintainter entry?
[03:07] <zyga> provide another one?
[03:07] <zyga> keep the original
[03:07] <zyga> remove original?
[03:15] <slomo> keep
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:24] <zyga> hi bddebian
[03:24] <bddebian> Hello zyga
[03:26] <bddebian> You still fighting with Ruby? :-)
[03:26] <zyga> if anyone could file a severe bug on our ruby version I'd be grateful -)
[03:26] <zyga> bddebian: yeah :(
[03:26] <zyga> I won actually
[03:26] <zyga> alexandria and it's depentant library are in revu
[03:26] <zyga> but our ruby is broken
[03:26] <zyga> debian's unstable 1.8.3-1 works okay
[03:27] <zyga> but ruby is in main and we are just a few days away
[03:27] <zyga> so that's a problem
[03:28] <\sh> so alexdria+lib don't make it in universe for breezy
[03:28] <zyga> bddebian: feel free to build libzoom-ruby and alexandria from REVU and check it out :)
[03:28] <bddebian> Heh
[03:28] <zyga> so we ship old alexandria and broken ruby IMHO but I see your point \sh
[03:29] <\sh> zyga: ruby is main...so it needs mdzs or kamions approve..and I don't see it happen so close to release
[03:29] <\sh> zyga: same for amarok-1.3.2
[03:29] <zyga> I know
[03:29] <\sh> zyga: riddell got only the permission to backport alsaink functionality for amarok-1.3.1
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[03:29] <Riddell> \sh: done by the way
[03:29] <\sh> Riddell: saw it this morning :) good work :)
[03:30] <crimsun> geez, we already have people clamoring for wesnoth 1.0
[03:30] <bddebian> Hehe
[03:30] <\sh> crimsun: it's requested for sync by elmo :) done it already :)
[03:30] <bddebian> I won't touch it after bringing in 0.9.7 ahead of time ;-P
[03:30] <\sh> bddebian: I tested it :)
[03:31] <\sh> bddebian: so now I'll get the kicks ;)
[03:31] <bddebian> \sh: Do you know if the -t option works in 1.0 ??
[03:32] <\sh> what is -t?
[03:32] <dholbach> \sh: malone bug
[03:33] <\sh> dholbach: number?
[03:33] <bddebian> \sh: It's supposed to start the test scenario
[03:33] <\sh> unknown szenario "test"
[03:33] <dholbach> \sh: i would have to search as much as you'd have to :-p
[03:34] <bddebian> \sh: 1213
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth ein (1.0-1) ...
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth-editor ein (1.0-1) ...
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth-ei ein (1.0-1) ...
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth-httt ein (1.0-1) ...
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth-server ein (1.0-1) ... * Starting Wesnoth server: wesnothd                                                                 [ ok ] 
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth-sotbe ein (1.0-1) ...
[03:34] <\sh> Richte wesnoth-trow ein (1.0-1) ...
[03:34] <dholbach> does it work with all the crackful scenario things installed?
[03:35] <ogra> wesnothd ?
[03:35] <ogra> phew
[03:35] <dholbach> ogra: you don't need it to play :)
[03:35] <ogra> i know
[03:35] <\sh> where are the szenarios? i think this is missing at my place ;)
[03:35] <ogra> the above looks quite heavy for a game :)
[03:36] <bddebian> I see Malone interface has changed again
[03:36] <bddebian> \sh: I could never figure that out :-)
[03:36] <dholbach> \sh: the other wesnoth-* packages... you might already have them all
[03:36] <zyga> those are my first packages
[03:36] <dholbach> \sh:     strace -eopen,stat wesnoth -t    might help
[03:37] <crimsun> welp, another x window system upgrade dance
[03:37] <ogra> sigh...
[03:37] <zyga> c'ya guys
[03:37] <bddebian> Wow, the bug count is way down this morning.  ajmitch must have been busy :-)
[03:37] <bddebian> Later zyga
[03:37] <ogra> i just finished a 200 package upgrade
[03:38] <dholbach> you're complaining as if you'd have to copy the files manually out of the packages
[03:38] <dholbach> sissies :-p
[03:39] <crimsun> bah
[03:40] <dholbach> see you later
[03:40] <dholbach> :)
[03:40] <bddebian> Hehe, later dholbach
[03:40] <crimsun> cya
[03:40] <dholbach> :)
[03:43] <\sh> started music
[03:43] <\sh> 1143087198
[03:43] <\sh> error general: Unbekanntes Szenario: 'test'
[03:43] <\sh> open("/home/shermann/.wesnoth", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 7
[03:43] <bddebian> Am I supposed to know what Unbekanntes Szenario is? ;-P
[03:44] <\sh> Unknown Scenario
[03:44] <bddebian> :-)
[03:45] <\sh> ok...bbl from home...cu later
[03:45] <bddebian> Later \sh
[03:45] <\sh> will test it there
[03:45] <bddebian> OK
[04:09] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:21] <Kyral> hoy!
[04:21] <sistpoty> hi Kyral
[04:22] <Kyral> I just got permission from the author to package the Futurama Fortune tarball I found
[04:23] <sistpoty> Futurama Fortune? sounds interesting :)
[04:24] <Kyral> Yah its just two files and I'm just gonna make a Makefile with the install command "install -d $(distdir)/usr/<wherever they go>"
[04:24] <Kyral> but still, no license on the page so I had to email the guy
[04:26] <Kyral> perfect job for a MOTU-In-Training (CL)
[04:27] <sistpoty> hehe
[04:27] <Kyral> CL == Copyleft ;P
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty, Kyral
[04:27] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[04:28] <bddebian> Ack, meeting time.. :-(
[04:28] <Kyral> Meeting?
[04:28] <bddebian> Kyral: Work :-)
[04:28] <sistpoty> bddebian: meeting now?
[04:28] <Kyral> Ah I thought you meant MOTU Meeting
[04:28] <bddebian> sistpoty: Just RL work :-)
[04:28] <sistpoty> ah... but TB meeting is tonight, isn't it?
[04:28] <Kyral> TB?
[04:29] <sistpoty> TechnicalBoard
[04:29] <Kyral> Ah
[04:29] <Kyral> Wazzat again?
[04:29] <sistpoty> they produce motus ;)
[04:29] <Kyral> Ah
[04:29] <Kyral> So I should show up
[04:30] <sistpoty> Wouldn't be a bad idea... but beforce becoming a MOTU you need to be a member
[04:30] <sistpoty> for that CommunityCouncil votes
[04:30] <Kyral> Which I'm only an Ubuntite
[04:31] <Kyral> Signed the Code of Conduct and been a member of the Forums, but thats about it
[04:31] <Kyral> and helped kill bugs...
[04:31] <sistpoty> that's a good start for it ;)
[04:31] <Kyral> I can't wait until X goes modular
[04:32] <Kyral> Then I can stop downloading these drivers I don't use
[04:33] <Kyral> When does the Community Council meet?
[04:33] <sistpoty> erm... X is modular already, isn't it?
[04:33] <Kyral> Not the one we use
[04:33] <sistpoty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[04:33] <Kyral> we use the transition one
[04:33] <Kyral> X.Org released two versions this time
[04:34] <Kyral> IIRC 6.8 and 6.9 are the same, but 6.8 is static and 6.9 is modular
[04:34] <sistpoty> hm... current breezy packs are 6.8 but pretty modularized already
[04:35] <Kyral> X.Org 7 will be fully modular
[04:35] <Kyral> and I mean Kernel style modular
[04:35] <sistpoty> wow
[04:35] <Kyral> So I won't have to download all these goddamn graphics drivers I don't use
[04:36] <Kyral> I compile my NVidia module from the installer from NVidia
[04:36] <Kyral> since yanno, nvidia-glx is kinda busted in Breezy
[04:37] <sistpoty> hm... my nvidia-glx works quite good... imo the one from restricted-modules, however with custom kernel built, so i can't say if it works ootb
[04:38] <Kyral> Last I knew glx didn't work
[04:38] <Kyral> then again I haven't tried
[04:38] <Kyral> I've grown quite used to compiling it from the installer
[04:40] <Kyral> the guy didn't say what license I should use...
[04:42] <sistpoty> hehe, sounds like more mail writing
[04:42] <Kyral> Nah.....I think I can assume GPL or Public Domain...
[04:46] <Gervystar> has any of you noticed a strange behaviour in mahjong? (the gnome game) when using the svg theme I see some broken graphics, with blue tiles. Maybe there's a bug in some svg rendering lib?
[04:50] <Kyral> lol
[04:51] <Kyral> Anyone read Mark Shuttleworth's Wiki Page on the UbuntuWiki?
[04:53] <zyga> re
[05:08] <spayne> yo all
[05:08] <slomo> hi spayne
[05:09] <sistpoty> hi slomo
[05:09] <slomo> spayne: before you ask... no ipod-sharp until now ;) abock hopes to get the banshee release out later or tomorrow... better get snorp to ship his own copy of entagged-sharp until then :)
[05:09] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[05:09] <sistpoty> hrmpf... hat is eval ;)
[05:09] <sistpoty> s/eval/evil/
[05:10] <slomo> hm?
[05:10] <Nafallo> slomo: "that is evil" I belive :-)
[05:11] <slomo> sistpoty: what is evil? ;)
[05:11] <sistpoty> hat (haskell source level tracer)
[05:11] <sistpoty> *g*
[05:11] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:11] <slomo> ah
[05:11] <slomo> haskell ;)
[05:11] <sistpoty> yep... old package ftbfs, new upstream ftbfs... argh!
[05:12] <sistpoty> and I even hope this is not related to a "fixed" version of hmake *g*
[05:13] <Nafallo> lol
[05:14] <slomo> sistpoty: does haskell have type inference?
[05:15] <sistpoty> yes, it does
[05:15] <slomo> sistpoty: inference even
[05:15] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:15] <Nafallo> I wonder if we have this centericq patch... ;-)
[05:15] <slomo> sistpoty: ok, then the script for our "grundlagen der programmiersprachen" is wrong ;)
[05:16] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:16] <slomo> sistpoty: hm, is it called script in english?
[05:17] <sistpoty> slomo: dunno
[05:18] <slomo> hm ok
[05:19] <\sh> bddebian: I think there is no test-scenario zip file
[05:20] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[05:20] <\sh> hey sistpoty
[05:45] <\sh> http://icculus.org/neverball/
[05:45] <bddebian> \sh: Aye, I could never find one :-)
[05:45] <slomo> \sh: nice game :)
[05:46] <\sh> bddebian: me neither...I'll check the source later ;)
[05:46] <\sh> I'll have to take a nap before TB
[05:46] <slomo> oh, today is TB?
[05:46] <slomo> when?
[05:46] <bddebian> \sh: There should be a scenerio-test.<something> but I don't know if that is the right one or not.
[05:50] <\sh> bddebian: this is what 1.0 has
[05:50] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 12659559 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-coredata.zip
[05:50] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root     9109 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-editor.zip
[05:50] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   306415 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-ei.zip
[05:50] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  4353548 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-httt.zip
[05:50] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    39825 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-mp.zip
[05:51] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  1800001 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-sotbe.zip
[05:51] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   683522 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-sound.zip
[05:51] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   254978 2005-09-18 04:20 wesnoth-tdh.zip
[05:51] <Kyral> ACK ACK ACK!
[05:51] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  2037276 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-trow.zip
[05:51] <\sh> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    11884 2005-10-04 14:00 wesnoth-tutorial.zip
[05:51] <\sh> where -tdh.zip is the main scenario
[05:51] <\sh> slomo: 20 UTC
[05:51] <slomo> ok
[05:52] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[05:52] <bddebian> \sh: Isn't there a scenario-test.cfg or something in the source??
[05:52] <\sh> argl...I can't play neverball....somethings wrong with my 3d accell
[05:52] <dholbach> re
[05:53] <\sh> bddebian: yes there is
[06:12] <bddebian> \sh: No napping allowed ;-P
[06:18] <markuman> damn, there is something wrong http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/xfce4-taskmanager-0510041215/linda in the control Description.? i think. but dont no what :-/
[06:20] <pef_aw> hi
[06:20] <bddebian> Heya pef
[06:21] <pef> bddebian: how are you ? (compiling kvpnc-0.8)
[06:21] <sistpoty> markuman: seems like linda on revu is outdated
[06:21] <bddebian> pef: Nice.  OK, thx.  You?
[06:21] <markuman> sistpoty, so my control file could be correct?!
[06:22] <sistpoty> markuman: just glanced at it, but it seems good
[06:22] <pef> bddebian: fine, can be more active than previous month :)
[06:22] <bddebian> coolio
[06:25] <pef> markuman: you have config.{guess,sub} stuff into your diff, not very good and not easy to manage :/
[06:25] <pef> markuman: and you can delete commented out debhelper commands calls into debian/rules
[06:26] <pef> markuman: and add homepage to debian/control description :)
[06:26] <bddebian> Hey people how about we fix some of the existing stuff in the archive instead of trying to bring in all this new shit?? ;-P
[06:26] <markuman> pef, ok
[06:27] <sistpoty> cya later... need to buy food
[06:27] <ogra> bddebian++
[06:28] <bddebian> ogra: ;)
[06:30] <crimsun> hey now, I have been :P
[06:32] <spayne> tseng: ping
[06:37] <spayne> how would anyone rate  GNOME Sensors Applet to package?
[06:37] <ogra> spayne, do you know why youre left out ?
[06:39] <spayne> not really :)
[06:40] <slomo> because: <bddebian> Hey people how about we fix some of the existing stuff in the archive instead of trying to bring in all this new shit?? ;-P
[06:40] <bddebian> spayne: Well your question about GNOME Sensors applet is a good indicator ;-P
[06:40] <ogra> spayne, because we al agreed several times not to bring in new packages before not all transitions and unmet deps packages are fixed...
[06:40] <spayne> right
[06:40] <spayne> is there a list of broken packages
[06:40] <ogra> ...to concentrate the manpower on the important stuff
[06:40] <ogra> several...
[06:41] <spayne> just remember i'm still getting hold of the packaging thing :)
[06:41] <ogra> then this is far better than making new packages
[06:41] <ryu> hi
[06:42] <bddebian> Hello ryu
[06:42] <ogra> since you learn how others did it first ;)
[06:43] <pef> someone can archive on REVU ?
[06:44] <spayne> ogra: is there a list of packages that are broken?
[06:44] <pef> please archive kvpnc, I'm uploading to REVU new upstream version
[06:44] <bddebian> spayne: UniverseUnmetDeps, Malone
[06:45] <pef> ogra: ? :] 
[06:45] <ogra> pef, ?
[06:46] <pef> ogra: have you "archive" rights on REVU ?
[06:46] <ogra> i dont even have an account
[06:46] <bddebian> I should but I don't know how to do it :-(
[06:47] <pef> erf :)
[06:47] <slomo> pef: for new versions the old must not be archived... just upload the new version ;)
[06:47] <pef> slomo: ping
[06:47] <slomo> pef: revu is smar
[06:47] <slomo> smart
[06:47] <JakubS_> hello
[06:47] <pef> ok, thanks for the info
[06:47] <JakubS_>  is there clean way to replace library from a package?
[06:47] <slomo> pef: and for the ping... i have to leave now ;)
[06:48] <JakubS_>  i want to install package libkdnssd-avahi that will replace /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0 from kdelibs4c2 with better (actually working) version
[06:48] <JakubS_> using dpkg-divert and the same library name confuses ldconfig (it symlinks .so.1 to old lib)
[06:49] <ivoks> so.... google is doing office
[06:49] <ogra> JakubS_, why not just use a "Replaces:" in the control file ?
[06:49] <ivoks> hi all :)
[06:50] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[06:50] <bddebian> Fuck, I can't fix shit :-(
[06:50] <ivoks> well
[06:50] <ivoks> bddebian: google will do it :)
[06:50] <bddebian> No it won't :-(
[06:50] <ivoks> it seems they can do everything :)
[06:51] <JakubS_> ogra: because if i later remove libkdnssd-avahi (for whatever reason) libkdnssd.so.1.0.0 will be missing (and it supposed to be provided by kdelibs4c2)
[06:51] <ogra> bddebian, apt-cache show shit doesnt give anything here ... did you switch to package new stuff too now ? :P
[06:51] <ivoks> :)
[06:51] <JakubS_> and some apps will stop working
[06:51] <ogra> JakubS_, hmm, true...
[06:52] <bddebian> ogra: Aye ;-P
[06:52] <bddebian> Smartass :-)
[06:52] <ogra> :p
[06:53] <JakubS_> best idea so far is naming new lib .so.1.0.1 so it will get picked by ldconfig by default. it leaves old lib (.so.1.0.0) from kdelibs4c2 on disk though
[06:53] <ogra> JakubS_, did you talk to avahi upstream about it why he didnt make that change ?
[06:54] <ogra> Lathiat, ?? ^^
[06:54] <ogra> i guess he's asleep
[06:54] <JakubS_> uhm, what change? avahi packages are ok
[06:54] <JakubS_> problem is with kdelibs4c2 and kdnssd-avahi (package i'm trying to make)
[06:56] <ogra> JakubS_, and asking Riddell to fix up kdelibs4c2 for you, so you dont need a separate libkdnssd-avahi package to replace the lib ?
[06:56] <JakubS_> kinda late - as i understand there is some feature freeze in effect
[06:57] <Riddell> JakubS_: small changed can be made after the release candidate on thursday
[06:57] <Riddell> changes
[06:57] <ogra> depends how critical the change is... and how Riddell sees it
[06:57] <ogra> its cleaner than dpkg-diverting it
[06:58] <JakubS_> depends if making zeroconf actually working for kde is small change or not :-)
[06:58] <Riddell> it's a big change
[06:58] <JakubS_> heh :-)
[06:58] <Riddell> but if it's just a case of a small change in kdebase and a new package that won't go in hoary anyway that might be ok
[06:58] <Riddell> s/hoary/breezy/
[06:59] <JakubS_> if it is not installed by default then kdelibs4c2 still has to contain stub library and there is still a problem
[07:00] <JakubS_> i wonder if kdelibs4-dev making libkdnssd.so->libkdnssd.so.1.0.0 will make a real problem if i choose to just install .so.1.0.1 and have ldconfig deal with it
[07:04] <\sh> wooohaa
[07:04] <\sh> amaroks radio list is completly outdated...
[07:07] <JakubS_> Riddell: not excluding kio_zeroconf from compilation would be also a big change?
[07:09] <\sh> and the Radio Streams List under Playlists is as well broken ... shit
[07:09] <\sh> hey ogra btw
[07:09] <Riddell> JakubS_: yes, I'm afraid so
[07:09] <ogra> hi \sh
[07:10] <JakubS_> Riddell: hm, it is ok, it is still possible to make several packages from the same source
[07:11] <\sh> ogra: greetings from klaus...
[07:11] <ogra> thanks greetings back
[07:13] <\sh> and I think my neighbors don't like me anymore...since I'm playing day in day out indian songs ;)
[07:13] <JakubS_> maybe you have volume too low and they can't hear it good enough
[07:14] <JakubS_> turn it up and they will love you :-)
[07:14] <bddebian> \sh: Indian as in India?
[07:14] <\sh> bddebian: Indian Music like in "They singing in Hindi" yes ;)
[07:14] <bddebian> Ahh
[07:14] <\sh> No Red Indian ;)
[07:15] <\sh> http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=596305&file=filename.pls
[07:15] <\sh> and I need a bittorrent tracker for bollywood movies ;)
[07:17] <bddebian> Heh
[07:17] <janimo> markuman ping
[07:17] <janimo> hi all
[07:19] <bddebian> Hello janimo
[07:19] <markuman> janimo pong
[07:19] <bddebian> Any C++ experts in here?
[07:19] <markuman> janimo (18:26:53) pef: markuman: you have config.{guess,sub} stuff into your diff, not very good and not easy to manage :/
[07:20] <\sh> bddebian: let me have a shower and a look afterwards ;)
[07:21] <bddebian> \sh: Rockin', thanks
[07:21] <dholbach> ogra: i do the .desktop update of hwdb-client, ok?
[07:22] <ogra> dholbach, sure, can you s/Ubuntu// ?
[07:22] <janimo> markuman, I am not sure how to get rid of those config diffs, I have them in some of my xfec packages
[07:22] <dholbach> ogra: it's a bit hard, dunno how or where to drop that in the translated strings
[07:22] <ogra> dholbach, calling it hardware database is enough... no need for branding :)
[07:22] <janimo> I think I was close to knowing it once but forgot :)
[07:22] <dholbach> ogra: there would be some prepositions gone astray
[07:22] <markuman> hm
[07:23] <ogra> dholbach, mark requested it i missed it through the screensaver stuff
[07:23] <janimo> \sh get the shower after the C++, it'smessy :)
[07:23] <ogra> dholbach, but if its to difficult, leave it in
[07:23] <dholbach> ogra: i leave it in
[07:23] <ogra> hmmkay :/
[07:24] <janimo> markuman, what if you just say 3.6.1 as standard does that shut linda up?
[07:24] <bddebian> dholbach: Fix the one for scribus while you're at it. ;-P
[07:24] <dholbach> bddebian: man... :)
[07:24] <markuman> janimo, i will try
[07:24] <janimo> but since lintian is fine I think it's no problem
[07:24] <ogra> bddebian, whats wrong with scribus ?
[07:25] <bddebian> ogra: Malone bug 2195.  I think the scribus .desktop just needs re-arranging.  That's all I had to do.
[07:26] <ogra> hmm... main package.... a bit late, damned... another one i missed
[07:26] <ogra> but i simply look for main bugs in malone
[07:26] <bddebian> Actually 1481 should be an easy fix too for scribus (hint, hint
[07:26] <ogra> *dont
[07:26] <bddebian> Why is it too late?  It shouldn't break anything
[07:27] <Amaranth> ogra: sure moving the Type line might fix it but it sounds like a bug in libgnome-menu
[07:27] <markuman> janimo, :-) if i change to 3.6.1 lintian makes noise but linda is quiet
[07:27] <bddebian> Amaranth: Why?
[07:28] <Amaranth> bddebian: Why should it matter where in the file the Type key is?
[07:28] <markuman> strange...
[07:29] <janimo> markuman ,we'll trust lintian then I guess :)
[07:29] <janimo> I don't know much aboyt what changed in 3.6.2 I guess not much, but maybe linda does not know about it yet
[07:29] <janimo> does it complain even on your box I take it?
[07:29] <markuman> janimo, ok . change back to 3.6.2
[07:30] <bddebian> Amaranth: I don't know but in it's current state, the menu option doesn't work.  Moving that, it works fine.
[07:31] <Amaranth> bddebian: Sure, and that should be done to fix this issue but I would open a bug upstream or in the ubuntu bugzilla against libgnome-menu about it as well
[07:31] <markuman> no, on revu too. 3.6.1 lintian bitched. 3.6.2. linda bitched
[07:31] <bddebian> Amaranth: Ahh, OK.  Sorry.
[07:32] <dholbach> ogra: uploaded
[07:33] <ogra> ok
[07:37] <\sh> bddebian: ok..now whats the mess?
[07:37] <bddebian> \sh: xgsmlib
[07:37] <bddebian> Hang on I'll post a pastebin :-)
[07:38] <\sh> ah guys, please send me a list with all packages which have to be morgued
[07:38] <\sh> sh@sourcecode.de :)
[07:38] <markuman> janimo, ok, its now on revu. with no lintian noise but just linda...
[07:38] <ogra> bah, use your ubuntu.com address :)
[07:38] <\sh> ogra: no :)
[07:39] <bddebian> \sh: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2762
[07:39] <\sh> I'm too lazy to add this email to my gpg ;)
[07:40] <bddebian> Don't feel bad, mine doesn't even work :-)
[07:40] <ogra> \sh, its takes *seconds* to add
[07:41] <\sh> ogra: well...what will klaus think if he's seeing that I mail with an ubuntu.com address...right now I'm fighting against serious rumours
[07:42] <\sh> ;)
[07:42] <ogra> hehehe
[07:42] <ogra> dont fight them :)
[07:42] <ogra> just enjoy :)
[07:42] <janimo> markuman, I'll have a look before going to sleep, promiss :)
[07:42] <janimo> ogra, btw how to use the ubuntu.com address for sending?
[07:43] <janimo> different SMTP host?
[07:43] <\sh> janimo: use smtp auth and a relay server ,)
[07:43] <ogra> my host does smtp auth...
[07:43] <janimo> ogra, thanks
[07:43] <\sh> bddebian: the first line you changed? or the commented in stuff?
[07:44] <bddebian> \sh: I changed the first line to the commented lines and it still bombs
[07:44] <janimo> ogra, so with no smtp server under my control it cannot be done?
[07:44] <\sh> bddebian: yea...
[07:44] <\sh> janimo: u need a relay? I'll can provide you with a nice temp email address ;)
[07:45] <janimo> \sh, thanks :) I currently have a gmail and the ubuntu address the older ones I am deprecating :)
[07:45] <\sh> janimo: I mean for sending ;)
[07:45] <janimo> but if you can set up a relay for my IP it would be nice (although I dunno if it stays fixed)
[07:46] <\sh> bddebian: I'll have to check the complete source
[07:46] <\sh> janimo: smtp auth only with username and pw :)
[07:46] <janimo> \sh thanks then I'll take the offer :)
[07:46] <janimo> I dunno anything bout smtp auth
[07:46] <janimo> that's why I am confused
[07:47] <janimo> but I'll read up on t
[07:47] <janimo> on it
[07:48] <\sh> janimo: what email client u r using?
[07:48] <janimo> \sh right now only web/gmail
[07:49] <janimo> but mutt is fine
[07:49] <janimo> for the ubu address, or t-bird
[07:49] <janimo> I follow most mailing lists through gmane
[07:49] <\sh> janimo: hmmm....tbird is fine
[07:50] <\sh> mutt-ng is quite difficult cause you have to adjust as well your postfix stuff
[07:50] <janimo> \sh, I   rememver now t-bird has auth-smtp setting, so now Iknow what it's for :)
[07:50] <janimo> used on gmail as well
[07:50] <janimo> ok I don't care bout mutt then
[07:50] <\sh> janimo: ah..so you can send through gmail..did u try?
[07:50] <janimo> \sh yes
[07:50] <\sh> janimo: even with another email address ?
[07:51] <janimo> and since yesterday they say youy can tweak your From: header
[07:51] <\sh> so everything is fine :)
[07:51] <janimo> but that would mean that address for all recipients
[07:51] <janimo> I want to use ubuntu for FSF and gmail for personal mail though :)
[07:51] <\sh> janimo: you can add different aliases for the one account
[07:51] <janimo> \sh ok I'll try that then
[07:51] <janimo> :)
[07:52] <janimo> s/FSF/FOSS/
[07:52] <\sh> bddebian: I think u fixed more then that...so please try this:
[07:52] <\sh> bddebian: vector<ForwardReason> fr = &(temp.forwardReasons());
[07:53] <\sh> what is FOSS? everybody is talking/writing about but I don't have the complete meaning behind this abbrev.
[07:54] <ogra_> free and open source software
[07:54] <\sh> ah
[07:55] <\sh> btw...did anyone requested a motu list? something like universe-devel? ,-)
[07:55] <ivoks> :)
[07:55] <dholbach> universe-devel? :)
[07:55] <ivoks> great news guys! :)
[07:55] <\sh> yes ;)
[07:55] <\sh> and universe-request ;)
[07:55] <dholbach> \sh: that'd confuse me :)
[07:55] <ogra_> agrh, nooo
[07:55] <\sh> dholbach: so...ubuntu-motu?
[07:55] <ogra_> not another list please
[07:55] <dholbach> \sh: please don't listen to ogra :)
[07:56] <ogra_> why do we need to fragment the comunity even more... development is already split all over the place
[07:56] <\sh> dholbach: another idea is the "universe-request" email address...we could make a auto-parse-mail script on tiber to check correct requests...like RFP ,->
[07:56] <dholbach> ivoks: ROCK
[07:57] <ivoks> dholbach: yeah :)
[07:57] <ivoks> dholbach: they wanted fedora, but... :))
[07:57] <ivoks> i said no :)
[07:58] <dholbach> "if you want it maintainable, choose ubuntu" :)
[07:58] <ivoks> ;)
[07:58] <\sh> ogra_: there is much stuff on -devel...and all motu requests to the community I think it's lost on this list
[07:58] <ogra_> \sh, i wont join that list
[07:58] <dholbach> \sh: i more than agree
[07:59] <ogra_> that doesnt help -devel at all
[07:59] <dholbach> \sh: but about the UniverseCandidates thing: i thought it would be ported to launchpad?
[07:59] <\sh> dholbach: would even be better
[07:59] <ogra_> you just create anothe list that draws noise and support requests in
[07:59] <ogra_> dholbach, nope, we talked about RT several times
[07:59] <\sh> ogra_: so how can we accomplish, that motu is not overheard by the community?
[07:59] <ivoks> dholbach: but they'll use icewm, instead of gnome (crapy old machines)
[08:00] <dholbach> ogra_: somebody told me about the launchpad idea
[08:00] <ogra_> \sh, use the existing channels...
[08:00] <ogra_> \sh, i'm serious about not joining it...
[08:00] <dholbach> ogra_: that's a silly argument in a discussion
[08:01] <dholbach> ogra_: i think it's better to be able to concentrate on a specific topic, don't you think so?
[08:01] <dholbach> it's hard to follow even #ubuntu-devel sometimes
[08:01] <dholbach> and it's easier for newcomers
[08:01] <ogra_> \sh, when we opened this channel we were asked to do no development in here (to not fragment development over several channels)... dholbach who had opened it promised mdz several times that would never happen, we'd only coordinate stuff here
[08:01] <dholbach> it's a matter of organsitation, i won't deny that
[08:01] <dholbach> ogra_: we grew
[08:02] <dholbach> ogra_: don't forget that
[08:02] <ogra_> dholbach, it didnt work for this channel... how should it work for                 othermedia ?
[08:02] <dholbach> ogra_: and i didn't promise several times
[08:02] <ogra_> dholbach, you did...
[08:02] <dholbach> it didn't work?
[08:02] <dholbach> several times?
[08:02] <ogra_> to me, to mdz ...
[08:02] <dholbach> we talked about it ONE time
[08:02] <ogra_> dholbach, obviously all universe development happens here now
[08:02] <dholbach> what are you referring to in the "not working" part?
[08:02] <dholbach> and it's a good thing
[08:03] <dholbach> because NEW people are sent here
[08:03] <dholbach> and we get them on track
[08:03] <ogra_> dholbach, only coordinating and not pulling the development out of the eyes of te main devs didnt work
[08:03] <dholbach> we're 92 people in here - i dunno how #ubuntu-devel would like to have our traffic in their channel too
[08:04] <ogra_> so mdz or Kamion dont know at all whats going on in universe... thats what mdz told me he feared when you opened the channel
[08:04] <dholbach> ogra_: i suppose everybody involved has enough stuff to keep their eyes own, right?
[08:04] <ogra_> i know we cant lock it down now...
[08:04] <dholbach> don't make me feel, like i did something wrong, thank you
[08:04] <ogra_> but thats why i object a separat ML ... you woint be able to lock it down and you fragment even more
[08:05] <dholbach> teams are a good thing
[08:05] <dholbach> and organisation "for everybody" doesn't work
[08:05] <dholbach> but that's the wrong place for this discussion
[08:05] <dholbach> and we need new arguments
[08:05] <ogra_> dholbach, not at all
[08:05] <dholbach> the wrong time
[08:05] <dholbach> sorry
[08:06] <ogra_> dholbach, i didnt bring up the new ML again...
[08:06] <bddebian> \sh: Trying now, thx
[08:07] <ogra_> dholbach, and since it affects all people in here it think there is no better place to discuss it...
[08:07] <dholbach> nor did i, i just understood a couple of the arguments
[08:07] <dholbach> ogra_: yeah, for dapper
[08:07] <dholbach> and we should talk about it in a bof
[08:07] <dholbach> that's what i meant
[08:07] <ogra_> so put a BOF on the boflist
[08:08] <bddebian> \sh:
[08:08] <bddebian> xgsm_device.cc: In member function 'Xgsm::DeviceInfoResponse::ForwardInfoTriple Xgsm::DeviceInfoResponse::getCallForwardInfo(gsmlib::ForwardReason)':
[08:08] <bddebian> xgsm_device.cc:204: error: conversion from 'Xgsm::RequestRef' to non-scalar type 'Xgsm::DeviceInfoRequest' requested
[08:08] <ogra_> i dont think a BOF is the right place... lots of people in here wont be at UBZ
[08:08] <Kyral> Man I wish I could stay at UBZ for the BOFs, but I have class that week
[08:08] <ogra_> and it affects everyone...
[08:08] <\sh> bddebian: can u send me the former patches?
[08:08] <Kyral> so its only Ubuntu Love Day for me ;P
[08:08] <dholbach> yes, i understood that point
[08:09] <bddebian> \sh: This is the only other one:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274386
[08:09] <ogra_> i think its rather a point for a MOTU meeting, and dholbach dont worry, i will be overruled by the masses for sure...
[08:09] <Nafallo> ogra_: you have my vote on this particular question if there will be a BOF about it.
[08:10] <dholbach> ogra_: well, then we'd take it in there - i just don't think that it's wrong to discuss plans, when (ok, i got your argument about it) some of us are face to face
[08:10] <dholbach> at least discuss
[08:10] <ogra_> Nafallo, i think dholbach will schedule one
[08:10] <dholbach> yes?
[08:11] <ogra_> dholbach, i'll be at UBZ and if there is a MOTU related BOF i'll be there ... if you think its stuff for a BOF, schedule one :)
[08:11] <dholbach> you were so sure about my plans, that's why i wondered...
[08:12] <\sh> hmmm
[08:12] <\sh> the question is only: how we're defining development...
 and we should talk about it in a bof
[08:12] <ogra_> :)
[08:18] <janimo> I have asked jdub about ubuntu-motu last weak and he said it's a good idea now that motu is large
[08:18] <janimo> last week
[08:20] <ryu> h
[08:20] <ryu> i
[08:26] <bddebian> \sh: Fix it yet? ;-P
[08:26] <\sh> bddebian: phone...support ;)
[08:26] <\sh> bddebian: I'm on it but
[08:30] <bddebian> \sh: You ROCK d00d :-)
[08:33] <markuman> janimo, ping - are you still awake?
[08:33] <Nafallo> \sh: talking to pitti are you? ;-)
[08:35] <\sh> Nafallo: no...what?
[08:35] <zyga> hello
[08:35] <zyga> :)
[08:35] <\sh> support on the phone for DNS ;)
[08:35] <Nafallo> \sh: you said phone...support and pitti said he was on the phone almost the same time ;-)
[08:36] <bddebian> heh
[08:36] <bddebian> Heya zyga
[08:38] <janimo> markuman, yes
[08:38] <janimo> I have just looked at the package
[08:38] <janimo> did not try it out yet as I want to finish something before relogging in
[08:38] <janimo> it apparently does not see the taskmgr plugin until panel restart
[08:38] <janimo> hmm I may just rekick th epanel only
[08:38] <markuman> janimo, another question. cant find the svg file from the xubuntu logo
[08:39] <zyga> what's up guys :)
[08:39] <janimo> markuman, that's the same as the png only 400K, steve sent it to me offline
[08:39] <janimo> want to make the usplash screen?
[08:39] <janimo> I can forward you that file if you want it for any reason
[08:40] <markuman> janimo, i want to try....
[08:40] <janimo> ok :)
[08:40] <markuman> that would be great
[08:40] <janimo> only the final art is png you know but i'll send it anyway
[08:40] <markuman> ok
[08:42] <janimo> markuman, sent it
[08:43] <janimo> any bored motus want to look at xubuntu-artwork?
[08:43] <markuman> janimo, thx it arrived :-)
[08:45] <ivoks> ah... xubuntu
[08:46] <bddebian> WTF is xubuntu?  xfce?
[08:46] <ivoks> yep
[08:46] <ogra> yup
[08:46] <bddebian> Oh nice
[08:46] <ogra> janimo, crimsun do you plan to move it to main one day ?
[08:46] <janimo> bddebian, yes
[08:46] <bddebian> I like xfce even if it isn't as "purty" as Gnome  ;-)
[08:47] <janimo> ogra, one day yes, but currently it will be seeded from universe
[08:47] <ivoks> but needs soem work :/
[08:47] <janimo> ivoks, like what? I know it needs but I need feedback ;)
[08:47] <bddebian> I think we should create a xpubuntu using xpde ;-P
[08:47] <ogra> janimo, yes, i see that... there i a lot of demand for a small desktop solution in the edubuntu community
[08:47] <janimo> sound/printing needs setting up
[08:47] <ivoks> janimo: oh, ther is no gnome-cups-manager on the list
[08:47] <ivoks> janimo: :)
[08:48] <janimo> ivoks, figuring out what to use for printing is on the todo list
[08:48] <janimo> on the wiki
[08:48] <ivoks> janimo: why not just use that gnome-tool? it works.
[08:48] <janimo> ivoks, we just may if there's no other way
[08:48] <ivoks> ok
[08:48] <janimo> the main reason is to cut back on gnoem depends
[08:48] <ivoks> it's a suggestion
[08:48] <ivoks> i see
[08:48] <janimo> if it's only libgomeprint then hurray
[08:49] <ivoks> plans for ivman?
[08:49] <janimo> thanks for the suggestions appreciated
[08:49] <janimo> yep, that too or pmount
[08:49] <ivoks> awsome
[08:49] <janimo> these are all fancy pieces of software for me ;)
[08:49] <ivoks> yeah, but you know...
[08:49] <janimo> so I need to get aquainted with them first
[08:49] <janimo> seems like xubuntu users won't like just an xterm :)
[08:49] <ivoks> hehe
[08:49] <\sh> bah
[08:50] <janimo> oh they're needed definitely, they're fancy for me cause I didn't use them so far
[08:50] <ivoks> i just installed in to one my client
[08:50] <\sh> janimo: what's up with xterm?
[08:50] <janimo> ivoks, I meant seriously about xubuntu users, didn;t mean you :)
[08:50] <ogra> \sh, way to heavy :p
[08:50] <janimo> they'll need sound/print/ivman out of the box
[08:50] <janimo> I understand them :)
[08:50] <ivoks> aterm
[08:50] <\sh> aterm doesn't like utf8
[08:50] <\sh> xterm should work in any way
[08:51] <\sh> I fixed it ,->
[08:51] <janimo> xfce4-terminal will be the default in xubuntu
[08:51] <ivoks> uxterm :)
[08:51] <janimo> although I like multi-gnome-terminal best
[08:51] <ivoks> it's slow
[08:51] <janimo> but it's gnome/gtk1.2 app
[08:51] <janimo> stil it may get on the CD
[08:51] <\sh> uxterm is only a wrapper around xterm
[08:51] <ogra> pterm !!!
[08:51] <ogra> its small as xterm and knows utf8
[08:51] <\sh> konsole ;-)
[08:52] <Nafallo> CTRL+ALT+F1
[08:52] <\sh> rxvt )
[08:52] <ivoks> rxvt!
[08:52] <ogra> heh... knosole as a *small* terminal app ?
[08:52] <spayne> evening \sh, Nafallo
[08:53] <\sh> hey spayne
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: sure ;)
[08:53] <Nafallo> spayne: morning
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: takes less mem as gnome-terminal ;)
[08:53] <ogra> \sh, not really the right suggestion for xfce users :)
[08:53] <\sh> *CENSOREDSCREAM*
[08:53] <ogra> \sh, ??
[08:53] <\sh> shitty shitty xgsmlib...shitty templates
[08:54] <\sh> it needs a secret term for references *mumble*
[08:54] <ivoks> ttg
[08:54] <ivoks> bye
[08:55] <janimo> ivoks, bye
[08:55] <\sh> who is proposed for motu?
[08:56] <ogra> \sh, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members
[08:57] <ogra> the new process is a bit odd, you can just click on the wiki pages
[08:57] <ogra> will sistpoty be aroud today ?
[08:58] <ogra> does anybody know ?
[08:58] <spayne> i am proposed for a member if that helps
[08:58] <janimo> heh dholbach applies for member ;)
[08:59] <ogra> heh
[08:59] <ogra> spayne, not in todays meeting
[08:59] <spayne> today's meeting?
[09:00] <spayne> oh, the MOTU meeting
[09:00] <ogra> spayne, members are made by CC, today is TB
[09:00] <spayne> TB?
[09:00] <ogra> bmonty :)
[09:00] <ogra> spayne, technical Board
[09:00] <\sh> hmmm..who is dmitry?
[09:00] <spayne> oh right, thanks ogra
[09:00] <ogra> no idea
[09:01] <\sh> DMITRY?
[09:01] <dholbach> \sh: how is his surname?
[09:01] <\sh> DmitriAlenitchev
[09:02] <\sh> comdreja is already motu right?
[09:03] <bddebian> \sh: I think so, though I haven't seen him in a while
[09:03] <ogra> \sh, yes, but mdz doesnt belive me
[09:03] <\sh> VincentUntz? u here?
[09:03] <ogra> \sh, and i havent found the time to look up the right log to prove it
[09:03] <bddebian> mdz doesn't want?
[09:04] <\sh> There are many people I never saw on this channel....
[09:04] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[09:04] <Tonio-> bonjour dholbach ;)
[09:04] <dholbach> hellas Tonio-
[09:04] <\sh> shwarma I know...bmonty as well
[09:04] <\sh> sistopy
[09:05] <\sh> comdreja
[09:05] <\sh> but the rest...
[09:06] <bddebian> bmonty Must get in :-)
[09:06] <bddebian> Heya Tonio-
[09:06] <ogra> bddebian++
[09:06] <bddebian> Isn't sistpoty already in?
[09:06] <ogra> nope
[09:06] <ogra> he naver manages to attend a meeting
[09:06] <ogra> *never
[09:06] <bddebian> I haven't seem shwarma recently now that you mention it
[09:07] <bddebian> ogra: Yes, he says he has a problem with work and the time
[09:07] <ogra> yup
[09:07] <\sh> barmixer? ,-)
[09:07] <ogra> heh
[09:07] <ogra> nightwatch ?
[09:09] <spayne> brb
[09:09] <bddebian> nightwatch and barmixer????
[09:10] <ogra> barmixing nightwatch ?
[09:12] <bddebian> hehe
[09:14] <janimo> maybe he's a superhero
[09:15] <janimo> that's why he's gone at night
[09:18] <Kyral> Okay.....what is RadeonTool and why do I need it if I run NVidia?
[09:19] <Nafallo> Kyral: apt-cache show radeontool, you probably don't.
[09:19] <Kyral> Yah well its coming wiht the latest set of updates, so SOMETHING needs it
[09:20] <\sh> bddebian: bah...2 years no word of the maintainer
[09:21] <\sh> bddebian: leave it
[09:22] <\sh> but I'll fix it..
[09:22] <Kyral> Now smartdimmer I MAY need, if I ran a NVidia 6600Go, but I run a GeForceFX 5500
[09:23] <Kyral> what package dragged this in......
[09:23] <bddebian> \sh: ;-)
[09:23] <janimo> markuman, I can;t login on revu right now but will vote for your package tomorrow, seems fine to me :)
[09:25] <janimo> good night all
[09:25] <Kyral> cya
[09:25] <Kyral> damn
[09:25] <Kyral> So I hit a tarball with dh_make, then edit the files to use CDBS?
[09:26] <ogra> Kyral, why that ? just use debhelper if you already have the skeleton there
[09:27] <Kyral> "skeleton"?
[09:27] <Kyral> you mean it unpacked?
[09:27] <ogra> the debhelper skeleton dh_make crates
[09:27] <ogra> *creates
[09:27] <Kyral> oy so many people telling me to use so many different things...
[09:27] <Kyral> the Debian New Maintainers Guide says use the dh_make stuff
[09:28] <ogra> Kyral, if you want to learn packaging, its best to stay with one packaging system and not start mixing tem
[09:28] <Kyral> other people say use cdbs
[09:28] <ogra> cdbs eases a lot, but you dont really learn it
[09:28] <Kyral> I just started like last week
[09:28] <ogra> Kyral, start with debhelper for your first packages... if you know what youre doing switch to cdbs :)
[09:29] <Kyral> man debhelper
[09:29] <Kyral> oops...
[09:30] <ogra> Kyral, just follow the maintainer guide, do that for oe, two packages to understand the basics...
[09:30] <ogra> s/oe/one
[09:30] <ogra> then switch to cdbs if you think you need to...
[09:31] <ogra> (its better to know what a spark plug is before you become a porsche mechanic ;) )
[09:31] <\sh> has elmo holiday? ,-)
[09:32] <ogra> \sh, yes
[09:33] <\sh> damn
[09:33] <\sh> so my sync I can forget...who is in charge?
[09:33] <ogra> \sh, is it urgent ?
[09:33] <\sh> ogra: wesnoth 1.0
[09:33] <ogra> else i'd wait... iirc elmo comes back this week
[09:33] <\sh> ogra: no server is accepting any pre-1.0 versions anymore
[09:42] <siretart> re
[09:43] <markuman> wb siretart
[09:44] <sistpoty> hi all
[09:44] <bddebian> Heya siretart, sistpoty
[09:45] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[09:45] <sistpoty> ping slomo
[09:45] <siretart> hi folks
[09:45] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[09:45] <sistpoty> hehe, other channel ;)
[09:46] <\sh> sistpoty: u r on today
[09:47] <sistpoty> hopefully :)
[09:48] <siretart> ;)
[09:53] <zyga> siretart: how many people are qualified/allowed to review packages in REVU?
[09:54] <\sh> zyga: all motus...if there is time
[09:55] <sistpoty> zyga: i.e. 19 accounts (motus that have registered on revu, probably some duplicate though, other email==other account)
[09:55] <zyga> \sh: wc -l MOTUs
[09:55] <bddebian> zyga: None until all bugs are fixed and current packages are installable ;-P
[09:55] <zyga> ah
[09:55] <zyga> 19
[10:02] <Kyral> uhhhh
[10:02] <Kyral> Removing RadeonTool removes ACPI and Powermanagement...
[10:02] <slomo> sistpoty: pong
[10:03] <sistpoty> slomo: did elmo answer you morgue requests yet?
[10:03] <slomo> no
[10:03] <slomo> he only answers my sync requests ;)
[10:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:03] <Seveas> he didn't answer my whitelist request yet too
[10:03] <sistpoty> I'll write him a mail then, now that we got response from wibble (haskell-dd)
[10:04] <Seveas> and I have 2 debdiffs from malone bugs waiting :)
[10:04] <slomo> sistpoty: yes, i read it... just forward this mail to him ;)
[10:04] <sistpoty> ok
[10:04] <slomo> Seveas: don't worry... just produce more :) tomorrow i'll upload everything for you
[10:04] <Seveas> slomo, I have nothing more to produce now, I'm taking just the simple bugs ;)
[10:05] <slomo> Seveas: oh... there must be more simple bugs ;)
[10:05] <\sh> bddebian: source='xgsm_device.cc' object='xgsm_device.o' libtool=no \
[10:05] <\sh> depfile='.deps/xgsm_device.Po' tmpdepfile='.deps/xgsm_device.TPo' \
[10:05] <\sh> depmode=gcc3 /bin/sh ../scripts/depcomp \
[10:06] <\sh> bddebian: we have to change more
[10:06] <bddebian> beauty
[10:06] <\sh> so i have to start over
[10:06] <bddebian> :-(
[10:07] <\sh> bddebian: or try to compile with gcc-3.4
[10:07] <\sh> aeh g++-3.4
[10:07] <bddebian> Morgue it? ;-)
[10:07] <\sh> no..try g++-3.4
[10:07] <\sh> the abi is the same...and if for dapper no new version is coming...get rid of it
[10:07] <bddebian> Aye
[10:08] <\sh> bddebian: but with the g++-3.4 patch applied
[10:08] <\sh> I have templates and bla refs
[10:30] <siretart> cu bddebian
[10:30] <bddebian> Laterz :-)
[10:37] <sistpoty> seems like I'll have to keep bugging you MOTU's for sponsoring... ;)
[10:37] <Kyral> Can we like, make ACPI support optional
[10:37] <Kyral> as in NOT part of the Ubuntu-Desktop package,
[10:37] <Kyral> 'cause like I have no use for it as a Desktop users
[10:38] <Kyral> Maybe make a separate meta-package for Laptop Utils
[10:44] <\sh> ok....going to bed
[10:45] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[10:47] <Seveas> Kyral, acpi support is not just laptop features...
[10:49] <Kyral> Nani?
[10:49] <Kyral> Then what else uses it?
[10:51] <siretart> ok, gn8 folks
[10:52] <bmonty> night siretart
[10:52] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[10:53] <dholbach> night siretart
[10:53] <Nafallo> dholbach: scribus is main here fwiw ;-)
[10:53] <dholbach> Nafallo: oh i see
[10:54] <Nafallo> I wonder how much stuff we have that is supported but not in a meta-package :-P
[10:58] <ivoks> any motu awake? :)
[10:58] <dholbach> :)
[10:58] <ivoks> we have problem with -terminus fonts
[10:58] <ivoks> i need advisory :)
[10:58] <Kyral> How about a MOTU Wannabe?
[10:58] <ivoks> since new fontconfig upload, they aren't in fs-list
[10:58] <ivoks> Kyral: sorry :)
[10:59] <Kyral> np, I just started last week so I know **** ;P
[10:59] <ivoks> so where should fonts be installed by default?
[10:59] <ivoks> in /usr/share/fonts?
[10:59] <dholbach> ivoks: bddebian is workin on it
[10:59] <Kyral> locate fonts ;P
[10:59] <ivoks> argh...
[10:59] <ivoks> that guy is allways working on something :)
[11:00] <ivoks> when does he eat? :) or sleep?
[11:00] <Kyral> I have an excuse for not working
[11:00] <Kyral> Its my birthday ;P
[11:00] <ivoks> anyway
[11:00] <ivoks> good night all!
[11:06] <Kyral> yo
[11:47] <comadreja> hello there :)
[11:48] <ogra> comadreja, hey
[11:49] <ajmitch> hi
[11:49] <tseng> here i am!
[11:49] <ogra> do you remember when exactly you got approved as MOTU (iirc it was your wifes b-day)
[11:49] <ogra> comadreja, ^^^
[11:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:49] <bddebian> I see I didn't miss much? :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[11:49] <dholbach> hi tseng :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: you did
[11:49] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:49] <tseng> bddebian: dude, stop hogging all the bugs dholbach says
[11:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Idid?
[11:50] <ogra> comadreja, mdz needs the exact date to approve you in the launchpad team, we switched team and gpg management to launchpad
[11:50] <bddebian> tseng: Aye, WTF was that?  I'm not the ONLY one fixing bugs..
[11:50] <bddebian> :)
[11:50] <comadreja> ogra, thanks :)
[11:50] <tseng> i swear
[11:50] <ogra> comadreja, ??
[11:50] <comadreja> sorry to have been out :(
[11:50] <tseng> except they are all assigned to me/mono team
[11:50] <comadreja> I'm under a very tight deadline at work
[11:50] <tseng> i leave the motu bugs to bddebian
[11:50] <bddebian> comadreja: You should be ;-P  j/k
[11:50] <tseng> the expert cluefinder
[11:50] <ogra> comadreja, i need the date when that happened :)
[11:51] <comadreja> 26th July
[11:51] <bddebian> I am hardly the expert clue-finder
[11:51] <ogra> ah, thanks
[11:51] <tseng> dude you so are
[11:51] <comadreja> bddebian : :(
[11:51] <tseng> you beat the clues out of people all the time
[11:51] <tseng> and never give up
[11:51] <comadreja> I'm so ashamed
[11:51] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:51] <tseng> until the bug is fixed!
[11:51] <bddebian> tseng: Oh.. That. Well yes, I can be a PITA :-)
[11:51] <ajmitch> comadreja: it's ok, I know what crushing work deadlines are like :)
[11:51] <bddebian> comadreja: Bah, I'm only kidding
[11:52] <ajmitch> except the one here got deferred a month (after the release, what a shame)
[11:52] <comadreja> ok, let's get on it again
[11:52] <tseng> ajmitch: i just wrote a check with a pen from the Vibe
[11:52] <tseng> "vibe the fuck out" as they say
[11:52] <sistpoty> hehe, bddebian got more karma than sabdfl
[11:52] <ajmitch> tseng: hah nice
[11:53] <ajmitch> bddebian has more karma than nearly everyone
[11:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: No way.  I don't have as much as YOU
[11:53] <dholbach> it seems that we need to switch to malone completely :)
[11:53] <comadreja> ogra, is it ok, now ?
[11:54] <ajmitch> dholbach: then we'd probably see 100K karma from you in a couple of weeks :)
[11:54] <dholbach> ajmitch: from seb128
[11:54] <dholbach> :)
[11:54] <sivang> dholbach: why aren't we, if we're already bringing this up
[11:54] <ajmitch> sivang: because malone still needs lots of love
[11:54] <dholbach> sivang: we will, but not before dapper
[11:54] <ogra> comadreja, i know you were approved, but i need to find the right irc log, else mdz wont belive me
[11:54] <ajmitch> ogra: I can find it
[11:54] <dholbach> and because of what ajmitch said :)
[11:55] <dholbach> brb
[11:55] <sistpoty> 473: too much karma ;)
[11:55] <ogra> ajmitch, could you mail a link to it to mdz with a note ?
[11:56] <ajmitch> sure
[11:56] <ajmitch> 08:16 < sabdfl> i guess that's 3 out of 3 :-)
[11:56] <ajmitch> 08:16 < siretart> which is near impossible ;)
[11:56] <ajmitch> 08:16 < mdz> comadreja: welcome to the team
[11:56] <ogra> ajmitch, got the date for that ?
[11:57] <ajmitch> yes
[11:57] <ajmitch> --- Day changed Wed Jul 27 2005
[11:57] <ajmitch> so jul 26 in UTC
[11:59] <ogra> thanls a lot :)
[11:59] <comadreja> :) thanks
[12:00] <ajmitch> I feel like I've been slacking
[12:01] <ajmitch> wb dholbach
[12:01] <dholbach> :)