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crimsunholy, 8 am tomorrow?05:07
jsgotangcomeeting?05:07
jsgotangcoheh05:07
crimsunyeah05:07
jsgotangcoits always that time05:07
ajmitch_fun05:07
jsgotangcoits not so bad for me that's 8pm05:08
crimsunjsgotangco: I've just joined this channel, so I'm not familiar with the routine05:08
jsgotangcooh the meetings are always every wednesday around 12-14UTC05:08
ajmitch_it'd be 1AM for me05:08
ajmitch_so don't feel bad about 8am05:08
crimsunoh I don't, ajmitch_ :)05:09
crimsunI'm just trying to work out my sleep schedule so I can make these meetings05:09
ajmitch_hah05:09
jsgotangcothe TBs are worse for me its usually around 4am05:10
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jintymorning all08:06
magnonmorning08:07
JaneWmorning08:30
jsgotangcoafternoon08:31
jsgotangcohehe08:31
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ajmitch_morning08:34
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JaneWhighvoltage: what were you asking about Fear Factor?09:33
highvoltageJaneW: i heard from someone who heard from someone else who heard from someone else that you might be going on Fear Factor.09:38
jsgotangcowow09:39
highvoltagestrange that i'm on this channel. all our international bandwidth is supposedly down :/09:39
=== jsgotangco looks forward seeing JaneW jumping off a building or wrestling with alligators
highvoltageor eating horseguts09:39
jsgotangcopig brains09:39
highvoltageor lying in a pool of worms, with lasers attached to their heads09:40
JaneWYUM09:43
JaneWno I am not doing it09:43
JaneWI entered09:43
JaneWand I was selected09:43
JaneWBUT09:43
JaneWthe filming is the exact time that I'll be away in Canada09:43
JaneWso I had to sadly step-down09:44
JaneWSHEW!09:44
JaneWwould have been fun though09:44
JaneWthing is I either would have been out in the first round (if it was one of those killer strength tasks) and been pathetic09:44
JaneWor if it was a balance/height, actual fear thing I could have done well, but you never know what you are going to get...09:45
jsgotangcoi'd still prefer seeing you do the yummy gourmet challenge09:48
JaneWheh09:48
JaneWmy concern with that is not so much what they have to eat but the VOLUME of it09:48
JaneWI couldn't eat a delicious meal of that size!09:48
JaneWI would rather do a lie in something yucky task than have to eat it though...09:49
jsgotangcosome of the things they make contestants eat are just normal food over here09:50
JaneWnod09:50
=== JaneW gets her kids to finish their food by pretending they are on Fear Factor
jsgotangcolol09:50
JaneWI count down the last minute and yell 'chew and swallow!'09:51
JaneWif they get it diwn in time they get a treat ;)09:51
JaneWin fact we get lots of stuff done based on reality TV09:51
JaneWthe Bed Time routine is the Amazing Race09:51
jsgotangcoahh where does Tempation Island fit in?09:52
JaneWlol09:54
JaneWwe haven;t watched that!09:54
JaneWwe do Survivor, Amazing Race, Fear Factor and the Apprentice09:54
jsgotangcowell of course the kids aren't going be involved in temptation island for sure09:55
ajmitch_JaneW: a real shame we won't get to see you on fear factor then :)10:10
JaneWajmitch_: indeed :)10:11
JaneWjsgotangco: I hope not!10:11
JaneWis ogra up yet?10:19
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jsgotangcoit would be nice if the next conference would be somewhere in asia10:35
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JaneWjsgotangco: work on sabdfl for that10:36
jsgotangcochina perhaps10:36
jsgotangcojapan would be too expensive10:37
JaneWTHAILAND!!!!!!10:37
jsgotangcono not in phuket =) people won't work10:38
ajmitch_how about a bit further south, somewhere more exotic10:38
ajmitch_like New Zealand10:38
jsgotangcowe've been in australia already10:38
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ajmitch_:P10:39
jsgotangcoajmitch_, or probably a few hundred kilometers near the antartic in the south island?10:39
ajmitch_sounds good10:40
jsgotangcoit would be like Ubuntu in permafrost10:40
ajmitch_at only 45 degrees south10:40
jsgotangcowe might actually get real penguins as participants10:41
ajmitch_we have penguins near here :)10:41
jsgotangcowow10:41
ajmitch_I'm sure some people will go to look at them for LCA10:41
ograJaneW, yes, sorry, was reading my new bugs frist10:42
ajmitch_ogra!10:42
ograJaneW, nice news from mark :)10:42
ajmitch_news?10:42
jsgotangcoajmitch_, or some place really hot like in the middle east10:42
ajmitch_mm10:42
ajmitch_far too hot for me10:42
jsgotangcoajmitch_, by chance did you sign my key? i don't think i've seen your email at all...10:44
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ajmitch_I probably did10:44
ajmitch_whether I remembered to send it is another matter10:45
jsgotangcoahh10:45
jsgotangcoi still receive emails from lamont every now and then10:45
ajmitch_yeah10:45
JaneWogra: yes10:52
JaneWogra: now we need to not stuff it up! ;)10:53
jsgotangcostuff?10:53
ograJaneW, yup10:55
ogralets send a mail to the ML10:56
JaneWogra: yes, and we'll discuss later at meeting10:57
JaneWogra: mhz already offered to handle artwork10:57
jsgotangcoerrr???10:57
JaneWI asked silbs to show my ubuntu breezy artwork10:57
JaneWs/my/me the10:57
JaneWshe sasy it will be on the wiki in a day or so10:57
ogragreat10:58
jsgotangcoerrr???10:58
ograi dont thin we're in a hurry... as i said before... pressing can go on past release10:58
JaneWogra: I'll start loook for printing and oressing options, but yes lets wait till we are READY rather than rushing10:59
JaneWnod10:59
JaneWjsgotangco: ?10:59
jsgotangco?10:59
JaneWogra: do you want to look at options in germany?10:59
JaneW?10:59
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ograJaneW, hmm...11:00
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ograwe'll get pressed CDs if we can prove they are needed11:00
jsgotangcooh that's rather hard people love free stuff11:00
ogra500 max to each country11:00
ograand it needs to be documented in detail where they went11:01
jsgotangcoincluding the vatican???11:01
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ograif the vatican asks :p11:01
ajmitch_jsgotangco: sure, I know some people in the Vatican who might be interested :)11:01
ograajmitch_, serious ?11:01
jsgotangcoajmitch_, catholic priests/nuns as hackers can be scary11:01
ajmitch_ogra: probably not about edubuntu.. but I do have contacts with web stuff :)11:02
ajmitch_jsgotangco: oh I know11:02
ograhey we have gnomesword in universe... its perfect for them to teach the bible11:02
ajmitch_:)11:03
ajmitch_jsgotangco: like I've got a copy of the catechism marked up in XML, other zope/plone stuff that I'm working on with friends in .au :)11:04
ajmitch_but that's probably getting OT even for here ;)11:04
jsgotangcosure next time we'll have our cover CD models as a christian priest, a buddhist monk and a muslim imam doing the ubuntu pose11:05
ajmitch_haha11:05
jsgotangcoat least they won't refer as as LinuXXX again11:05
JaneWguys this is not religubuntu! ;)11:06
JaneWjsgotangco: but I like your photo op idea ;)11:07
jsgotangcoJaneW, face it you like the idea11:07
jsgotangcook test new updates11:08
jsgotangcobrb11:08
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JaneWdoes the calculator on edubuntu have graphing functionality?11:38
ograJaneW, nope, we have kig for that11:42
JaneWok so kig does graphing of mathematical functions?11:42
JaneWI have a Dr asking11:43
ogra(or probably drgeo fro next release)11:43
ogradrgeo is the gnome equivalent to kig11:43
ograoh, and kmplot as a smaller graphing app...11:44
ograi gess the latter is what he's looking for11:44
JaneWogra: also did you read the review at http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2619/ ?11:44
ograoh, no, didnt know it11:44
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JaneWI think the guys has some valid points11:44
JaneWre menus etc11:44
JaneW(which we do know about and have discussed)11:45
ographew11:45
ograthey didnt read the install instructions11:45
ograand they used a *very* old snaphot (no wallpaper)11:45
JaneWnod11:46
JaneWshould we contact him and ask him to try again?11:46
ogranot before the dhcp.conf generation bug is fixed...11:46
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JaneWok11:50
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JaneW**Reminder** 2 hours to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting11:59
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jsgotangcoi have nothing to update12:08
ograi have a long list :/12:08
JaneWajmitch_: night12:12
JaneWogra: see e-mail please - re WSIS12:12
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jsgotangcoim still waiting for people to actually collaborate on the wiki pages :/12:16
jsgotangco(and the release notes for ubuntu itself)12:17
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JaneW**Reminder** 45 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting01:14
JaneW**Reminder** 5 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting01:54
JaneW**Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW02:01
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highvoltageogra: how would I know that my rt request is being processed? is there a place i can check?05:25
ograhighvoltage, i dont think thats public....05:25
ograand i dont think rt is right for usage by non canonical people...05:26
ograbut you'll certainly get answer if it was right or not05:26
highvoltageok. we use rt at tsf too, so i know what you mean :)05:26
highvoltageok, have a good evening. relax a bit too, ogra. i think you also need to take a nice long vacation after release :)05:28
ograno time to relax now :) 05:28
ograbut later i will05:28
highvoltagecool. cheers!05:28
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jelknerogra: hi Oliver, are you here?06:56
ograjelkner, yup06:57
jelkneri wanted to ask you about two things:07:02
jelkner1. eclipse07:02
jelkner2. the "sreen blanking bug"07:02
jelknertoday's update of eclipse broke it07:03
ograi have never used it07:03
jelknerit can no longer find the blackdown java sdk installed on the system07:03
jelkneri depend on it for my apcsc classes07:04
jelknerso i want to file a bug report07:04
jelknerthat would go in malone, yes?07:04
ograj2sdk1.4 and j2re1.4 are both installed from multiverse... eclipse is in universe, so yesd07:05
ogra-d07:05
ograbut what do you mean with "it can no longer find the blackdown java sdk installed on the system" ?07:06
ogratheer was no cange since weeks...07:06
ograeek07:06
ograthere was no change07:06
ograso if you didnt uninstall it, it shouldnt vanish07:07
jelknerhmm...07:09
jelknerwhen i did the "apt-get dist-upgrade" today07:09
jelknerthere was a dependency issue with one of the eclipse packages07:10
jelknerso in uninstalled it07:10
jelknerfinished the dist-upgrade07:10
jelknerand reinstalled07:10
jelkner(only eclipse, not the j2sdk1.4)07:10
ogranever do dist-upgrade in unstable releases07:11
jelknernow when we start eclipse, it won't start, saying "can not find a java runtime environment"07:11
ogradist-upgrade means you allow the system to uninstall packages, even if they are essential to fulfill the dependencys07:11
jelknerok, only "upgrade" then?07:11
ograonly use upgrade07:11
ograyes07:11
jelknerok07:11
ograit does only upgrade...07:12
jelkneri need to go help a student, brb...07:12
ograbut dist-upgrade asks you if its ok with you to uninstall stuff...07:12
jelknerbell rang, student left, i'm back..07:22
jelkneris malone the place to report the bug?07:22
ografor eclipse ? yes07:22
jelknerok, great07:22
jelkneri'll do that07:23
ograbut really read if apt asks you questions ;) 07:23
crimsun(eclipse should just work with breezy's gcj, correct?)07:23
ograit wouldnt just uninstall stuff wihout confirmation normally07:23
ograyup07:23
jelknerthe java stuff is very confusing07:24
jelknergcj isn't quite ready for the ap course07:24
ogracrimsun, but gjc neither brings you the ff plugin, nor does it match the sun tutorials i think07:24
ograits ok to run specifically adjusted stuff though07:25
jelknerwhen you look up "java" on synaptic you get many confusing choices07:25
jelknerone of the things i'm hoping to ask for "Dapper" is if we could create an "APCSC" meta package that would install everything needed to teach java on Edubuntu07:26
ograrather look for blackdown07:26
ograsure we can :)07:26
jelknercool!07:26
jelkneranyway, the other bug, and then i'm off to my other school...07:27
jelknerhas anyone mentioned the "screen blanking" bug?07:27
ograscreen blanking ? 07:27
jelknerEdubuntu clients routinely have their screens go blank for a second or 307:27
jelknerit happens randomly07:28
ograerm07:28
jelknerand the screen always comes back07:28
ograthat shouldnt happen07:28
jelknerit does07:28
jelknermy students are used to it07:28
ograare you sure you dont have gnome-screensaver installed or something like that ? 07:28
jelknerit is not frequent enough to be a huge problem07:28
jelkneronly an anoyance07:28
jelknerno, it isn't anything like that07:29
ograwe temporarily switched to gnome-screensaver, please check if its still there07:29
jelknerwhen was that?07:29
ograif not please file a bugzilla bug with component UNKNOWN07:29
jelkneri've been dealing with this all along07:29
ograa bit more than two weeks ago07:29
jelknerhmm...07:29
ograor even 2 ...07:29
ograerr 307:30
jelkneri'll file the bugzilla report later today then...07:30
ograif thats the case, just uninstall gnome-screensaver07:30
ograplease check for it first07:30
crimsunin a Terminal, dpkg -l gnome-screensaver|grep ^ii07:31
jelkneri just removed it07:31
ograah, it was there ? 07:31
ogragreat... 07:31
jelkneryup07:31
jelkneri'll watch over the next few days and see what happens07:31
jelknerwell, i gotta run...07:31
ograjust make sure xscreensaver is installed now, if you want to use a screensaver :)07:31
ograbut it should be anyway, its a dependency of edubuntu-desktop ;)07:32
ograhave fun :)07:32
jelknerit is there07:32
jelknerthanks!07:32
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mhzhey09:15
mhzogra: ping09:15
ograpong09:15
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mhzcoll09:15
mhzogra: I was finishing edubutu install and we suffered a powercut09:15
ograouch09:16
mhzwhat's the command to restart dpkg reconfiguration of all pending software???09:16
mhzI got up to 68%09:16
mhzafter having the reboot part, of course.09:17
ograbase-config09:17
mhzsi dpkg was actualli configuring packages09:17
ograand dpkg --configure -a09:17
mhzdiff?09:17
ograbase-config is what starts after reboot09:17
mhzand the other?09:17
ograit calls dpkg --configure -a at some point09:18
mhzah, so I should only start with base-config ?09:18
ograbut dpkg --configure -a only configures packages, if not all were installed at this time, you might have to reinstall09:18
mhzthx09:18
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ogragood luck09:19
mhzbase config started from clock setting.09:20
mhzis that allright?09:20
mhzweel, base-config asked me to set apt, so I decided to manually run dpkg --configure -a09:22
mhzanyways, thx.09:22
mhzand I f you happen to have any more suggestions I'll be available via mail to mhz AT tecnocimiento DOT cl09:22
mhzc ya!09:22
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