=== mac2|phone is now known as macgyver2 === odile [n=odileb_@cac94-3-82-225-39-24.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === downclimb [n=johnson@host-69-145-229-49.cac-co.client.bresnan.net] has joined #edubuntu === fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.21.218] has left #edubuntu [] === pitux [n=pitux@241-187-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 is now known as mac2|asleep === pitux [n=pitux@241-187-222-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [05:07] holy, 8 am tomorrow? [05:07] meeting? [05:07] heh [05:07] yeah [05:07] its always that time [05:07] fun [05:08] its not so bad for me that's 8pm [05:08] jsgotangco: I've just joined this channel, so I'm not familiar with the routine [05:08] oh the meetings are always every wednesday around 12-14UTC [05:08] it'd be 1AM for me [05:08] so don't feel bad about 8am [05:09] oh I don't, ajmitch_ :) [05:09] I'm just trying to work out my sleep schedule so I can make these meetings [05:09] hah [05:10] the TBs are worse for me its usually around 4am === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === odile [n=odileb_@cac94-3-82-225-39-24.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [08:06] morning all [08:07] morning [08:30] morning [08:31] afternoon [08:31] hehe === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:34] morning === geneo93 [n=kane@1Cust5508.an1.det15.da.uu.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-160-154.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:33] highvoltage: what were you asking about Fear Factor? [09:38] JaneW: i heard from someone who heard from someone else who heard from someone else that you might be going on Fear Factor. [09:39] wow [09:39] strange that i'm on this channel. all our international bandwidth is supposedly down :/ === jsgotangco looks forward seeing JaneW jumping off a building or wrestling with alligators [09:39] or eating horseguts [09:39] pig brains [09:40] or lying in a pool of worms, with lasers attached to their heads [09:43] YUM [09:43] no I am not doing it [09:43] I entered [09:43] and I was selected [09:43] BUT [09:43] the filming is the exact time that I'll be away in Canada [09:44] so I had to sadly step-down [09:44] SHEW! [09:44] would have been fun though [09:44] thing is I either would have been out in the first round (if it was one of those killer strength tasks) and been pathetic [09:45] or if it was a balance/height, actual fear thing I could have done well, but you never know what you are going to get... [09:48] i'd still prefer seeing you do the yummy gourmet challenge [09:48] heh [09:48] my concern with that is not so much what they have to eat but the VOLUME of it [09:48] I couldn't eat a delicious meal of that size! [09:49] I would rather do a lie in something yucky task than have to eat it though... [09:50] some of the things they make contestants eat are just normal food over here [09:50] nod === JaneW gets her kids to finish their food by pretending they are on Fear Factor [09:50] lol [09:51] I count down the last minute and yell 'chew and swallow!' [09:51] if they get it diwn in time they get a treat ;) [09:51] in fact we get lots of stuff done based on reality TV [09:51] the Bed Time routine is the Amazing Race [09:52] ahh where does Tempation Island fit in? [09:54] lol [09:54] we haven;t watched that! [09:54] we do Survivor, Amazing Race, Fear Factor and the Apprentice [09:55] well of course the kids aren't going be involved in temptation island for sure [10:10] JaneW: a real shame we won't get to see you on fear factor then :) [10:11] ajmitch_: indeed :) [10:11] jsgotangco: I hope not! [10:19] is ogra up yet? === odile [n=odileb_@cac94-3-82-225-39-24.fbx.proxad.net] has left #edubuntu ["A+"] [10:35] it would be nice if the next conference would be somewhere in asia === JaneW agrees [10:36] jsgotangco: work on sabdfl for that [10:36] china perhaps [10:37] japan would be too expensive [10:37] THAILAND!!!!!! [10:38] no not in phuket =) people won't work [10:38] how about a bit further south, somewhere more exotic [10:38] like New Zealand [10:38] we've been in australia already === jsgotangco hides [10:39] :P [10:39] ajmitch_, or probably a few hundred kilometers near the antartic in the south island? [10:40] sounds good [10:40] it would be like Ubuntu in permafrost [10:40] at only 45 degrees south [10:41] we might actually get real penguins as participants [10:41] we have penguins near here :) [10:41] wow [10:41] I'm sure some people will go to look at them for LCA [10:42] JaneW, yes, sorry, was reading my new bugs frist [10:42] ogra! [10:42] JaneW, nice news from mark :) [10:42] news? [10:42] ajmitch_, or some place really hot like in the middle east [10:42] mm [10:42] far too hot for me [10:44] ajmitch_, by chance did you sign my key? i don't think i've seen your email at all... === jsgotangco has been looking at his archives [10:44] I probably did [10:45] whether I remembered to send it is another matter [10:45] ahh [10:45] i still receive emails from lamont every now and then [10:45] yeah [10:52] ogra: yes [10:53] ogra: now we need to not stuff it up! ;) [10:53] stuff? [10:55] JaneW, yup [10:56] lets send a mail to the ML [10:57] ogra: yes, and we'll discuss later at meeting [10:57] ogra: mhz already offered to handle artwork [10:57] errr??? [10:57] I asked silbs to show my ubuntu breezy artwork [10:57] s/my/me the [10:57] she sasy it will be on the wiki in a day or so [10:58] great [10:58] errr??? [10:58] i dont thin we're in a hurry... as i said before... pressing can go on past release [10:59] ogra: I'll start loook for printing and oressing options, but yes lets wait till we are READY rather than rushing [10:59] nod [10:59] jsgotangco: ? [10:59] ? [10:59] ogra: do you want to look at options in germany? [10:59] ? === ajmitch_ is wondering what this wonderful news is :) [11:00] JaneW, hmm... === jsgotangco is lost === ajmitch_ also [11:00] we'll get pressed CDs if we can prove they are needed [11:00] oh that's rather hard people love free stuff [11:00] 500 max to each country [11:01] and it needs to be documented in detail where they went [11:01] including the vatican??? === jsgotangco hides from ogra [11:01] if the vatican asks :p [11:01] jsgotangco: sure, I know some people in the Vatican who might be interested :) [11:01] ajmitch_, serious ? [11:01] ajmitch_, catholic priests/nuns as hackers can be scary [11:02] ogra: probably not about edubuntu.. but I do have contacts with web stuff :) [11:02] jsgotangco: oh I know [11:02] hey we have gnomesword in universe... its perfect for them to teach the bible [11:03] :) [11:04] jsgotangco: like I've got a copy of the catechism marked up in XML, other zope/plone stuff that I'm working on with friends in .au :) [11:04] but that's probably getting OT even for here ;) [11:05] sure next time we'll have our cover CD models as a christian priest, a buddhist monk and a muslim imam doing the ubuntu pose [11:05] haha [11:05] at least they won't refer as as LinuXXX again [11:06] guys this is not religubuntu! ;) [11:07] jsgotangco: but I like your photo op idea ;) [11:07] JaneW, face it you like the idea [11:08] ok test new updates [11:08] brb === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [11:38] does the calculator on edubuntu have graphing functionality? [11:42] JaneW, nope, we have kig for that [11:42] ok so kig does graphing of mathematical functions? [11:43] I have a Dr asking [11:43] (or probably drgeo fro next release) [11:43] drgeo is the gnome equivalent to kig [11:44] oh, and kmplot as a smaller graphing app... [11:44] i gess the latter is what he's looking for [11:44] ogra: also did you read the review at http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2619/ ? [11:44] oh, no, didnt know it === ogra reads [11:44] I think the guys has some valid points [11:44] re menus etc [11:45] (which we do know about and have discussed) [11:45] phew [11:45] they didnt read the install instructions [11:45] and they used a *very* old snaphot (no wallpaper) [11:46] nod [11:46] should we contact him and ask him to try again? [11:46] not before the dhcp.conf generation bug is fixed... === jsg_ [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] ok === jsg_ is now known as jsgotangco [11:59] **Reminder** 2 hours to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch_ decides to skip the meeting & head to bed instead :) [12:08] i have nothing to update [12:08] i have a long list :/ [12:12] ajmitch_: night [12:12] ogra: see e-mail please - re WSIS === jsgotangco is now known as Morgoth === Morgoth is now known as jsgotangco [12:16] im still waiting for people to actually collaborate on the wiki pages :/ [12:17] (and the release notes for ubuntu itself) === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-002-069.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] **Reminder** 45 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [01:54] **Reminder** 5 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting [02:01] **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-002-069.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === mac2|asleep is now known as macgyver2 === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F76D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === rcdiugun [n=Charo@AP-203.167.16.36.sysads.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:25] ogra: how would I know that my rt request is being processed? is there a place i can check? [05:25] highvoltage, i dont think thats public.... [05:26] and i dont think rt is right for usage by non canonical people... [05:26] but you'll certainly get answer if it was right or not [05:26] ok. we use rt at tsf too, so i know what you mean :) [05:28] ok, have a good evening. relax a bit too, ogra. i think you also need to take a nice long vacation after release :) [05:28] no time to relax now :) [05:28] but later i will [05:28] cool. cheers! === CuriousCat [n=Charo@AP-203.167.16.36.sysads.com] has left #edubuntu [] === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.193.52] has joined #edubuntu [06:56] ogra: hi Oliver, are you here? [06:57] jelkner, yup [07:02] i wanted to ask you about two things: [07:02] 1. eclipse [07:02] 2. the "sreen blanking bug" [07:03] today's update of eclipse broke it [07:03] i have never used it [07:03] it can no longer find the blackdown java sdk installed on the system [07:04] i depend on it for my apcsc classes [07:04] so i want to file a bug report [07:04] that would go in malone, yes? [07:05] j2sdk1.4 and j2re1.4 are both installed from multiverse... eclipse is in universe, so yesd [07:05] -d [07:06] but what do you mean with "it can no longer find the blackdown java sdk installed on the system" ? [07:06] theer was no cange since weeks... [07:06] eek [07:06] there was no change [07:07] so if you didnt uninstall it, it shouldnt vanish [07:09] hmm... [07:09] when i did the "apt-get dist-upgrade" today [07:10] there was a dependency issue with one of the eclipse packages [07:10] so in uninstalled it [07:10] finished the dist-upgrade [07:10] and reinstalled [07:10] (only eclipse, not the j2sdk1.4) [07:11] never do dist-upgrade in unstable releases [07:11] now when we start eclipse, it won't start, saying "can not find a java runtime environment" [07:11] dist-upgrade means you allow the system to uninstall packages, even if they are essential to fulfill the dependencys [07:11] ok, only "upgrade" then? [07:11] only use upgrade [07:11] yes [07:11] ok [07:12] it does only upgrade... [07:12] i need to go help a student, brb... [07:12] but dist-upgrade asks you if its ok with you to uninstall stuff... [07:22] bell rang, student left, i'm back.. [07:22] is malone the place to report the bug? [07:22] for eclipse ? yes [07:22] ok, great [07:23] i'll do that [07:23] but really read if apt asks you questions ;) [07:23] (eclipse should just work with breezy's gcj, correct?) [07:23] it wouldnt just uninstall stuff wihout confirmation normally [07:23] yup [07:24] the java stuff is very confusing [07:24] gcj isn't quite ready for the ap course [07:24] crimsun, but gjc neither brings you the ff plugin, nor does it match the sun tutorials i think [07:25] its ok to run specifically adjusted stuff though [07:25] when you look up "java" on synaptic you get many confusing choices [07:26] one of the things i'm hoping to ask for "Dapper" is if we could create an "APCSC" meta package that would install everything needed to teach java on Edubuntu [07:26] rather look for blackdown [07:26] sure we can :) [07:26] cool! [07:27] anyway, the other bug, and then i'm off to my other school... [07:27] has anyone mentioned the "screen blanking" bug? [07:27] screen blanking ? [07:27] Edubuntu clients routinely have their screens go blank for a second or 3 [07:28] it happens randomly [07:28] erm [07:28] and the screen always comes back [07:28] that shouldnt happen [07:28] it does [07:28] my students are used to it [07:28] are you sure you dont have gnome-screensaver installed or something like that ? [07:28] it is not frequent enough to be a huge problem [07:28] only an anoyance [07:29] no, it isn't anything like that [07:29] we temporarily switched to gnome-screensaver, please check if its still there [07:29] when was that? [07:29] if not please file a bugzilla bug with component UNKNOWN [07:29] i've been dealing with this all along [07:29] a bit more than two weeks ago [07:29] hmm... [07:29] or even 2 ... [07:30] err 3 [07:30] i'll file the bugzilla report later today then... [07:30] if thats the case, just uninstall gnome-screensaver [07:30] please check for it first [07:31] in a Terminal, dpkg -l gnome-screensaver|grep ^ii [07:31] i just removed it [07:31] ah, it was there ? [07:31] great... [07:31] yup [07:31] i'll watch over the next few days and see what happens [07:31] well, i gotta run... [07:31] just make sure xscreensaver is installed now, if you want to use a screensaver :) [07:32] but it should be anyway, its a dependency of edubuntu-desktop ;) [07:32] have fun :) [07:32] it is there [07:32] thanks! === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F727.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=cmeza@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu [09:15] hey [09:15] ogra: ping [09:15] pong === mhz is desperately needing help [09:15] coll [09:15] ogra: I was finishing edubutu install and we suffered a powercut [09:16] ouch [09:16] what's the command to restart dpkg reconfiguration of all pending software??? [09:16] I got up to 68% [09:17] after having the reboot part, of course. [09:17] base-config [09:17] si dpkg was actualli configuring packages [09:17] and dpkg --configure -a [09:17] diff? [09:17] base-config is what starts after reboot [09:17] and the other? [09:18] it calls dpkg --configure -a at some point [09:18] ah, so I should only start with base-config ? [09:18] but dpkg --configure -a only configures packages, if not all were installed at this time, you might have to reinstall [09:18] thx === mhz was chatting in a lent pc === mhz be away a little [09:19] good luck [09:20] base config started from clock setting. [09:20] is that allright? [09:22] weel, base-config asked me to set apt, so I decided to manually run dpkg --configure -a [09:22] anyways, thx. [09:22] and I f you happen to have any more suggestions I'll be available via mail to mhz AT tecnocimiento DOT cl [09:22] c ya! === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === vmarks [n=vmarks@adsl-065-015-231-005.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CFC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === GoodSoft [n=GoodSoft@80.233.218.168] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089E6E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === GoodSoft [n=GoodSoft@80.233.218.168] has left #edubuntu [""] === bdoin_ [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.21.218] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #edubuntu []