[05:07] <crimsun> holy, 8 am tomorrow?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> meeting?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:07] <crimsun> yeah
[05:07] <jsgotangco> its always that time
[05:07] <ajmitch_> fun
[05:08] <jsgotangco> its not so bad for me that's 8pm
[05:08] <crimsun> jsgotangco: I've just joined this channel, so I'm not familiar with the routine
[05:08] <jsgotangco> oh the meetings are always every wednesday around 12-14UTC
[05:08] <ajmitch_> it'd be 1AM for me
[05:08] <ajmitch_> so don't feel bad about 8am
[05:09] <crimsun> oh I don't, ajmitch_ :)
[05:09] <crimsun> I'm just trying to work out my sleep schedule so I can make these meetings
[05:09] <ajmitch_> hah
[05:10] <jsgotangco> the TBs are worse for me its usually around 4am
[08:06] <jinty> morning all
[08:07] <magnon> morning
[08:30] <JaneW> morning
[08:31] <jsgotangco> afternoon
[08:31] <jsgotangco> hehe
[08:34] <ajmitch_> morning
[09:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: what were you asking about Fear Factor?
[09:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: i heard from someone who heard from someone else who heard from someone else that you might be going on Fear Factor.
[09:39] <jsgotangco> wow
[09:39] <highvoltage> strange that i'm on this channel. all our international bandwidth is supposedly down :/
[09:39] <highvoltage> or eating horseguts
[09:39] <jsgotangco> pig brains
[09:40] <highvoltage> or lying in a pool of worms, with lasers attached to their heads
[09:43] <JaneW> YUM
[09:43] <JaneW> no I am not doing it
[09:43] <JaneW> I entered
[09:43] <JaneW> and I was selected
[09:43] <JaneW> BUT
[09:43] <JaneW> the filming is the exact time that I'll be away in Canada
[09:44] <JaneW> so I had to sadly step-down
[09:44] <JaneW> SHEW!
[09:44] <JaneW> would have been fun though
[09:44] <JaneW> thing is I either would have been out in the first round (if it was one of those killer strength tasks) and been pathetic
[09:45] <JaneW> or if it was a balance/height, actual fear thing I could have done well, but you never know what you are going to get...
[09:48] <jsgotangco> i'd still prefer seeing you do the yummy gourmet challenge
[09:48] <JaneW> heh
[09:48] <JaneW> my concern with that is not so much what they have to eat but the VOLUME of it
[09:48] <JaneW> I couldn't eat a delicious meal of that size!
[09:49] <JaneW> I would rather do a lie in something yucky task than have to eat it though...
[09:50] <jsgotangco> some of the things they make contestants eat are just normal food over here
[09:50] <JaneW> nod
[09:50] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:51] <JaneW> I count down the last minute and yell 'chew and swallow!'
[09:51] <JaneW> if they get it diwn in time they get a treat ;)
[09:51] <JaneW> in fact we get lots of stuff done based on reality TV
[09:51] <JaneW> the Bed Time routine is the Amazing Race
[09:52] <jsgotangco> ahh where does Tempation Island fit in?
[09:54] <JaneW> lol
[09:54] <JaneW> we haven;t watched that!
[09:54] <JaneW> we do Survivor, Amazing Race, Fear Factor and the Apprentice
[09:55] <jsgotangco> well of course the kids aren't going be involved in temptation island for sure
[10:10] <ajmitch_> JaneW: a real shame we won't get to see you on fear factor then :)
[10:11] <JaneW> ajmitch_: indeed :)
[10:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I hope not!
[10:19] <JaneW> is ogra up yet?
[10:35] <jsgotangco> it would be nice if the next conference would be somewhere in asia
[10:36] <JaneW> jsgotangco: work on sabdfl for that
[10:36] <jsgotangco> china perhaps
[10:37] <jsgotangco> japan would be too expensive
[10:37] <JaneW> THAILAND!!!!!!
[10:38] <jsgotangco> no not in phuket =) people won't work
[10:38] <ajmitch_> how about a bit further south, somewhere more exotic
[10:38] <ajmitch_> like New Zealand
[10:38] <jsgotangco> we've been in australia already
[10:39] <ajmitch_> :P
[10:39] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, or probably a few hundred kilometers near the antartic in the south island?
[10:40] <ajmitch_> sounds good
[10:40] <jsgotangco> it would be like Ubuntu in permafrost
[10:40] <ajmitch_> at only 45 degrees south
[10:41] <jsgotangco> we might actually get real penguins as participants
[10:41] <ajmitch_> we have penguins near here :)
[10:41] <jsgotangco> wow
[10:41] <ajmitch_> I'm sure some people will go to look at them for LCA
[10:42] <ogra> JaneW, yes, sorry, was reading my new bugs frist
[10:42] <ajmitch_> ogra!
[10:42] <ogra> JaneW, nice news from mark :)
[10:42] <ajmitch_> news?
[10:42] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, or some place really hot like in the middle east
[10:42] <ajmitch_> mm
[10:42] <ajmitch_> far too hot for me
[10:44] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, by chance did you sign my key? i don't think i've seen your email at all...
[10:44] <ajmitch_> I probably did
[10:45] <ajmitch_> whether I remembered to send it is another matter
[10:45] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:45] <jsgotangco> i still receive emails from lamont every now and then
[10:45] <ajmitch_> yeah
[10:52] <JaneW> ogra: yes
[10:53] <JaneW> ogra: now we need to not stuff it up! ;)
[10:53] <jsgotangco> stuff?
[10:55] <ogra> JaneW, yup
[10:56] <ogra> lets send a mail to the ML
[10:57] <JaneW> ogra: yes, and we'll discuss later at meeting
[10:57] <JaneW> ogra: mhz already offered to handle artwork
[10:57] <jsgotangco> errr???
[10:57] <JaneW> I asked silbs to show my ubuntu breezy artwork
[10:57] <JaneW> s/my/me the
[10:57] <JaneW> she sasy it will be on the wiki in a day or so
[10:58] <ogra> great
[10:58] <jsgotangco> errr???
[10:58] <ogra> i dont thin we're in a hurry... as i said before... pressing can go on past release
[10:59] <JaneW> ogra: I'll start loook for printing and oressing options, but yes lets wait till we are READY rather than rushing
[10:59] <JaneW> nod
[10:59] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> ?
[10:59] <JaneW> ogra: do you want to look at options in germany?
[10:59] <JaneW> ?
[11:00] <ogra> JaneW, hmm...
[11:00] <ogra> we'll get pressed CDs if we can prove they are needed
[11:00] <jsgotangco> oh that's rather hard people love free stuff
[11:00] <ogra> 500 max to each country
[11:01] <ogra> and it needs to be documented in detail where they went
[11:01] <jsgotangco> including the vatican???
[11:01] <ogra> if the vatican asks :p
[11:01] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: sure, I know some people in the Vatican who might be interested :)
[11:01] <ogra> ajmitch_, serious ?
[11:01] <jsgotangco> ajmitch_, catholic priests/nuns as hackers can be scary
[11:02] <ajmitch_> ogra: probably not about edubuntu.. but I do have contacts with web stuff :)
[11:02] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: oh I know
[11:02] <ogra> hey we have gnomesword in universe... its perfect for them to teach the bible
[11:03] <ajmitch_> :)
[11:04] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: like I've got a copy of the catechism marked up in XML, other zope/plone stuff that I'm working on with friends in .au :)
[11:04] <ajmitch_> but that's probably getting OT even for here ;)
[11:05] <jsgotangco> sure next time we'll have our cover CD models as a christian priest, a buddhist monk and a muslim imam doing the ubuntu pose
[11:05] <ajmitch_> haha
[11:05] <jsgotangco> at least they won't refer as as LinuXXX again
[11:06] <JaneW> guys this is not religubuntu! ;)
[11:07] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but I like your photo op idea ;)
[11:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, face it you like the idea
[11:08] <jsgotangco> ok test new updates
[11:08] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:38] <JaneW> does the calculator on edubuntu have graphing functionality?
[11:42] <ogra> JaneW, nope, we have kig for that
[11:42] <JaneW> ok so kig does graphing of mathematical functions?
[11:43] <JaneW> I have a Dr asking
[11:43] <ogra> (or probably drgeo fro next release)
[11:43] <ogra> drgeo is the gnome equivalent to kig
[11:44] <ogra> oh, and kmplot as a smaller graphing app...
[11:44] <ogra> i gess the latter is what he's looking for
[11:44] <JaneW> ogra: also did you read the review at http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/2619/ ?
[11:44] <ogra> oh, no, didnt know it
[11:44] <JaneW> I think the guys has some valid points
[11:44] <JaneW> re menus etc
[11:45] <JaneW> (which we do know about and have discussed)
[11:45] <ogra> phew
[11:45] <ogra> they didnt read the install instructions
[11:45] <ogra> and they used a *very* old snaphot (no wallpaper)
[11:46] <JaneW> nod
[11:46] <JaneW> should we contact him and ask him to try again?
[11:46] <ogra> not before the dhcp.conf generation bug is fixed...
[11:50] <JaneW> ok
[11:59] <JaneW> **Reminder** 2 hours to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:08] <jsgotangco> i have nothing to update
[12:08] <ogra> i have a long list :/
[12:12] <JaneW> ajmitch_: night
[12:12] <JaneW> ogra: see e-mail please - re WSIS
[12:16] <jsgotangco> im still waiting for people to actually collaborate on the wiki pages :/
[12:17] <jsgotangco> (and the release notes for ubuntu itself)
[01:14] <JaneW> **Reminder** 45 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:54] <JaneW> **Reminder** 5 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:01] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Update Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW
[05:25] <highvoltage> ogra: how would I know that my rt request is being processed? is there a place i can check?
[05:25] <ogra> highvoltage, i dont think thats public....
[05:26] <ogra> and i dont think rt is right for usage by non canonical people...
[05:26] <ogra> but you'll certainly get answer if it was right or not
[05:26] <highvoltage> ok. we use rt at tsf too, so i know what you mean :)
[05:28] <highvoltage> ok, have a good evening. relax a bit too, ogra. i think you also need to take a nice long vacation after release :)
[05:28] <ogra> no time to relax now :) 
[05:28] <ogra> but later i will
[05:28] <highvoltage> cool. cheers!
[06:56] <jelkner> ogra: hi Oliver, are you here?
[06:57] <ogra> jelkner, yup
[07:02] <jelkner> i wanted to ask you about two things:
[07:02] <jelkner> 1. eclipse
[07:02] <jelkner> 2. the "sreen blanking bug"
[07:03] <jelkner> today's update of eclipse broke it
[07:03] <ogra> i have never used it
[07:03] <jelkner> it can no longer find the blackdown java sdk installed on the system
[07:04] <jelkner> i depend on it for my apcsc classes
[07:04] <jelkner> so i want to file a bug report
[07:04] <jelkner> that would go in malone, yes?
[07:05] <ogra> j2sdk1.4 and j2re1.4 are both installed from multiverse... eclipse is in universe, so yesd
[07:05] <ogra> -d
[07:06] <ogra> but what do you mean with "it can no longer find the blackdown java sdk installed on the system" ?
[07:06] <ogra> theer was no cange since weeks...
[07:06] <ogra> eek
[07:06] <ogra> there was no change
[07:07] <ogra> so if you didnt uninstall it, it shouldnt vanish
[07:09] <jelkner> hmm...
[07:09] <jelkner> when i did the "apt-get dist-upgrade" today
[07:10] <jelkner> there was a dependency issue with one of the eclipse packages
[07:10] <jelkner> so in uninstalled it
[07:10] <jelkner> finished the dist-upgrade
[07:10] <jelkner> and reinstalled
[07:10] <jelkner> (only eclipse, not the j2sdk1.4)
[07:11] <ogra> never do dist-upgrade in unstable releases
[07:11] <jelkner> now when we start eclipse, it won't start, saying "can not find a java runtime environment"
[07:11] <ogra> dist-upgrade means you allow the system to uninstall packages, even if they are essential to fulfill the dependencys
[07:11] <jelkner> ok, only "upgrade" then?
[07:11] <ogra> only use upgrade
[07:11] <ogra> yes
[07:11] <jelkner> ok
[07:12] <ogra> it does only upgrade...
[07:12] <jelkner> i need to go help a student, brb...
[07:12] <ogra> but dist-upgrade asks you if its ok with you to uninstall stuff...
[07:22] <jelkner> bell rang, student left, i'm back..
[07:22] <jelkner> is malone the place to report the bug?
[07:22] <ogra> for eclipse ? yes
[07:22] <jelkner> ok, great
[07:23] <jelkner> i'll do that
[07:23] <ogra> but really read if apt asks you questions ;) 
[07:23] <crimsun> (eclipse should just work with breezy's gcj, correct?)
[07:23] <ogra> it wouldnt just uninstall stuff wihout confirmation normally
[07:23] <ogra> yup
[07:24] <jelkner> the java stuff is very confusing
[07:24] <jelkner> gcj isn't quite ready for the ap course
[07:24] <ogra> crimsun, but gjc neither brings you the ff plugin, nor does it match the sun tutorials i think
[07:25] <ogra> its ok to run specifically adjusted stuff though
[07:25] <jelkner> when you look up "java" on synaptic you get many confusing choices
[07:26] <jelkner> one of the things i'm hoping to ask for "Dapper" is if we could create an "APCSC" meta package that would install everything needed to teach java on Edubuntu
[07:26] <ogra> rather look for blackdown
[07:26] <ogra> sure we can :)
[07:26] <jelkner> cool!
[07:27] <jelkner> anyway, the other bug, and then i'm off to my other school...
[07:27] <jelkner> has anyone mentioned the "screen blanking" bug?
[07:27] <ogra> screen blanking ? 
[07:27] <jelkner> Edubuntu clients routinely have their screens go blank for a second or 3
[07:28] <jelkner> it happens randomly
[07:28] <ogra> erm
[07:28] <jelkner> and the screen always comes back
[07:28] <ogra> that shouldnt happen
[07:28] <jelkner> it does
[07:28] <jelkner> my students are used to it
[07:28] <ogra> are you sure you dont have gnome-screensaver installed or something like that ? 
[07:28] <jelkner> it is not frequent enough to be a huge problem
[07:28] <jelkner> only an anoyance
[07:29] <jelkner> no, it isn't anything like that
[07:29] <ogra> we temporarily switched to gnome-screensaver, please check if its still there
[07:29] <jelkner> when was that?
[07:29] <ogra> if not please file a bugzilla bug with component UNKNOWN
[07:29] <jelkner> i've been dealing with this all along
[07:29] <ogra> a bit more than two weeks ago
[07:29] <jelkner> hmm...
[07:29] <ogra> or even 2 ...
[07:30] <ogra> err 3
[07:30] <jelkner> i'll file the bugzilla report later today then...
[07:30] <ogra> if thats the case, just uninstall gnome-screensaver
[07:30] <ogra> please check for it first
[07:31] <crimsun> in a Terminal, dpkg -l gnome-screensaver|grep ^ii
[07:31] <jelkner> i just removed it
[07:31] <ogra> ah, it was there ? 
[07:31] <ogra> great... 
[07:31] <jelkner> yup
[07:31] <jelkner> i'll watch over the next few days and see what happens
[07:31] <jelkner> well, i gotta run...
[07:31] <ogra> just make sure xscreensaver is installed now, if you want to use a screensaver :)
[07:32] <ogra> but it should be anyway, its a dependency of edubuntu-desktop ;)
[07:32] <ogra> have fun :)
[07:32] <jelkner> it is there
[07:32] <jelkner> thanks!
[09:15] <mhz> hey
[09:15] <mhz> ogra: ping
[09:15] <ogra> pong
[09:15] <mhz> coll
[09:15] <mhz> ogra: I was finishing edubutu install and we suffered a powercut
[09:16] <ogra> ouch
[09:16] <mhz> what's the command to restart dpkg reconfiguration of all pending software???
[09:16] <mhz> I got up to 68%
[09:17] <mhz> after having the reboot part, of course.
[09:17] <ogra> base-config
[09:17] <mhz> si dpkg was actualli configuring packages
[09:17] <ogra> and dpkg --configure -a
[09:17] <mhz> diff?
[09:17] <ogra> base-config is what starts after reboot
[09:17] <mhz> and the other?
[09:18] <ogra> it calls dpkg --configure -a at some point
[09:18] <mhz> ah, so I should only start with base-config ?
[09:18] <ogra> but dpkg --configure -a only configures packages, if not all were installed at this time, you might have to reinstall
[09:18] <mhz> thx
[09:19] <ogra> good luck
[09:20] <mhz> base config started from clock setting.
[09:20] <mhz> is that allright?
[09:22] <mhz> weel, base-config asked me to set apt, so I decided to manually run dpkg --configure -a
[09:22] <mhz> anyways, thx.
[09:22] <mhz> and I f you happen to have any more suggestions I'll be available via mail to mhz AT tecnocimiento DOT cl
[09:22] <mhz> c ya!