[12:42] <jmg> hey all
[12:42] <jmg> whats the status of klaptop for breezy
[12:42] <jmg> any work being done between now and d-day?
[12:47] <Riddell> jmg: it should all be working, although I havn't tested it with a fresh install
[12:57] <jmg> Riddell: cool
[12:59] <Riddell> we need a breezy slogan for kubuntu
[12:59] <sebas> Riddell: The acpi_helper thing is broken, it doesn't use scripts but directly writes to /proc.
[12:59] <Riddell> sebas: I patched from 3.5 and made it use pmi (ubuntu's power management scripts)
[01:00] <sebas> Riddell: Ok, you rock. :)
[01:00] <Riddell> -0ubuntu2
[01:00] <sebas> Is there more info on pmi?
[01:00] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be much info no
[01:01] <Riddell> powermanagement-interface is the package
[01:02] <sebas> I'll have a look at the source.
[01:03] <Riddell> it's just a shell script
[01:04] <sebas> The hibernate script provides a blacklist of pm unaware modules.
[01:04] <sebas> The list of the package is currently empty, that's not too much use.
[01:05] <sebas> hibernate has blacklisted modules per kernel version even.
[01:05] <sebas> And it's actively maintained.
[01:06] <sebas> Actually, the hibernate script does all pmi does, and much more.
[01:08] <Riddell> who maintains it?
[01:14] <allee> sebas: eh? looks like pmi just calls hibernate.sh for: pmi action hibernate
[01:15] <sebas> Riddell: Bernard Blackham
[01:15] <sebas> Also maintaining suspend.net site.
[01:16] <sebas> allee: Yeah, but that's not the point.
[01:16] <sebas> Besides: where?
[01:16] <allee> [01:05]  <sebas> Actually, the hibernate script does all pmi does, and much more.
[01:17] <allee> sebas: isn't this the point?
[01:17] <sebas> allee: Yeah, but where is the corresponding code? 
[01:17] <sebas> allee: Not quite.
[01:17] <Riddell> >grep hibernate.sh /usr/sbin/pmi
[01:17] <Riddell>                         /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh force
[01:17] <sebas> Ah, ok.
[01:18] <sebas> My point was though, that at least the blacklist and the services that have to be stopped might be only in *one* place, and hibernate has a good list of the modules.
[01:18] <sebas> The services might depend on the sort of "pmi action", i.e. suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk.
[01:18] <sebas> Or whatever pmi does more.
[01:19] <sebas> For example, to wake-up successfully from S3 I've got to do some setpci magic, S4 doesn't need that.
[01:20] <sebas> That force isn't too nice either, but that's a wholly different thing of course.
[01:20] <allee> sebas:  for me it looks like pmi is only there to provide a (I assume) stable interface to whatever is used behind
[01:21] <sebas> allee: Ehm, pmi does have a blacklist.
[01:21] <sebas> So it's more than a stable interface, it has also configuration (which is tricky in the PM case).
[01:21] <sebas> The blacklist is configuration, the services even more so.
[01:22] <sebas> Since the pmi blacklist is empty, one might aswell link it to the hibernate blacklist.
[01:23] <allee> looks like I still miss the point.  When you write 'hibernate' you don't mean /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh?
[01:24] <sebas> Ow, that explains a lot of the confusion :D
[01:24] <sebas> I'm talking about the package "hibernate", which is actually a script to handle all that.
[01:25] <sebas> I thought that pmi used that one :o
[01:25] <sebas> (Might've also read the scripts better. Sorry.)
[01:30] <sebas> G'night Jonathan and allee!
[01:30] <allee> nite sebas
[01:31] <allee> mhmm, hibernate (pkg) seem to use sw suspend2.  Note sure is kubuntu uses them
[01:32] <allee> no 'all' suspend/hibernate implementation are supported (according to debian/control)
[01:51] <jmg> Riddell: regrettably klaptop is *still* buggered and ACPI
[01:51] <Riddell> jmg: what's up with it?
[01:51] <jmg> Riddell: regrettably klaptop is *still* buggered and ACPI_SLEEP=true sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh works
[01:51] <jmg> Riddell: now it doesnt suspend me at all
[01:52] <jmg> Riddell: in it's defence i havent dist-upgraded yet
[01:52] <jmg> just apt-get install acpi-support klaptopdaemon to get hte latest versions
[01:52] <Riddell> jmg: but you do have the latest klaptopdaemon (and restarted KDE)?
[01:55] <jmg> yeah
[01:55] <jmg> Riddell: now it just does a LOT of disk, and eventually wakes back up on its own.
[01:56] <jmg> Riddell: using te sleep.sh *does* work though, which makes me cry.
[01:57] <jmg> ii  klaptopdaemon            3.4.2-0ubuntu2           
[01:58] <jmg> Riddell: latest sid is 3.4.2-3
[01:58] <jmg> can't sync?
[01:58] <jmg> too late huh
[02:00] <Riddell> jmg: what changes are there?
[02:00] <jmg> Riddell: didnt bother to read changelog just changed sources to get from breezy
[02:01] <jmg> since thats the version that will need to be patched anyway
[02:02] <Riddell> no relevant patches from debian
[02:02] <jmg> Riddell: um... klaptop is NOT patched to use /etc/acpi/foo.sh 
[02:02] <jmg> at least looking in debian/patches.'..
[02:03] <jmg> was it meant to be?
[02:03] <jmg> *confused*
[02:03] <Riddell> debian/patches/kubuntu_04_use_pmi.diff  would be the patch
[02:03] <Riddell> it uses pmi
[02:05] <jmg> interesting 
[02:05] <jmg> pmi action sleep works too
[02:05] <jmg> maybe my config is hosed
[02:07] <Riddell> jmg: what action are you using in the right click menu?
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: also the acpi helper is broken 
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: suspend
[02:07] <Riddell> does hibernate work?
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: i wonder if all of this will go away when i dist-upgrade though
[02:07] <jmg> Riddell: hibernate never worked
[02:08] <jmg> Riddell: it reboots and starts a new session
[02:08] <jmg> Riddell: but im working on suspend... gotta walk before run and all that
[02:08] <Riddell> hibernate works for me, suspend doesn't (goes to sleep and never wakes up again)
[02:08] <jmg> Riddell: pmi action suspend works
[02:09] <jmg> wakes up ok
[02:09] <Riddell> jmg: acpi helper?
[02:14] <jmg> Riddell: it actualy isnt broken
[02:14] <jmg> my bad
[02:14] <jmg> so... situation is : pmi suspend works, klaptop suspend doesnt.
[02:14] <Riddell> jmg: what doesn't work about it?
[02:18] <jmg> jmg: it doesnt suspend at all.
[02:19] <Riddell> jmg: just does nothing?
[02:19] <jmg> jmg: it blanks the screen, does a lot of disk, and eventually unblanks
[02:20] <jmg> Riddell: sorry
[02:21] <Riddell> curious
[02:24] <jmg> Riddell: oh dear.
[02:24] <Riddell> jmg: I'll do a fresh install tomorrow and see whether it still works for me
[02:25] <jmg> Riddell: just looking at the source, --suspend means action 1, which is hibernate... ????
[02:26] <jmg> Riddell: nowhere is action 2 (suspend (that launches pmi suspend ( that actually works))) used by klaptop
[02:26] <jmg> Riddell: suspend and standby are the same action (1)
[02:29] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[02:30] <jmg> Riddell: i suppose you could patch it and save me the trouble, or do you want me to file a malone/bugzilla and attach a patch? if so should my patch patch use_pmi or should i create a new dpatch that patches acpi_helper.cpp again?
[02:31] <Riddell> jmg: I'll fix it :)
[02:31] <jmg> Riddell: cool
[02:31] <jmg> Riddell: i cant sit here see that bug and not fix it though, so im cooking up a local klaptopdaemon for today :)
[02:32] <jmg> Riddell: suspend was my big whine since the other day i suspended walked to the park and had no battery lol
[02:41] <Riddell> jmg: uploaded
[02:41] <Riddell> should hit the archives in an hour or two
[02:41] <jmg> Riddell: cool! 
[02:41] <jmg> Riddell: glad i could stomp another.. now onto pmi hibernate :)
[02:42] <Riddell> thanks for your help and let me know if it fixes it
[09:49] <Tonio-> morning
[11:46] <JRe> morning!
[11:49] <JRe> Tonio-: the adept's icon is nice:)
[11:51] <Tonio-> JRe: thanks ;)
[11:51] <Tonio-> JRe: built with a touchpad (no mouse out there), I thought I would become crazy with adjustments ;)
[11:51] <JRe> :) :)
[11:51] <JRe> wow it's hard to draw with the touchpad 
[11:52] <Tonio-> I just wait for the next package version because svg ones have a problem on his one, I corrected that yesterday.
[11:52] <Tonio-> yep it is not that easy LOL
[11:52] <Tonio-> also the Updater version doesn't install properly actually.... I hope it'll be corrected with the next package
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio-: get anywhere with the usplash image?
[11:53] <JRe> :)
[11:53] <JRe> Riddell: you've taken a look to the k3b patch ?
[11:53] <Tonio-> Riddell: done tonight..... I had to finish with this xen documentation and i'm actually installing the xen server with a redhat EL and a debian sarge.....
[11:53] <Tonio-> no time forthis today sorry ;)
[11:53] <Riddell> JRe: not yet, it's a post RC fix, don't let me forget
[11:53] <Tonio-> I promise to perform something tonight
[11:54] <JRe> k
[11:55] <JRe> Riddell: may be it would be cool to forward this patch to debian, no? (they have the same normalize-audio package)
[11:56] <JRe> BTW is this expected to have an adept icon within System AND Utilities ???
[11:59] <Riddell> JRe: yes, definatly forward it to them
[12:00] <Riddell> JRe: double icon entry should be fixed
[12:04] <Tonio-> Riddell: actually looking for palette modification .........
[12:05] <Tonio-> the problem is that if you wanna get "OK" brighter, it completly breaks the shadows over Kubuntu word.....
[12:05] <Tonio-> couldn't that be possible to patch the colors used ????
[12:06] <Tonio-> Riddell: for example replacing #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2 by #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 10 which would be perfect for this ?
[12:06] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's no possible since it'll break the other usplash images
[12:06] <Tonio-> okay, the source is common, only the image differs.....
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio-: you should be able to swap colours around in the palette somehow without changing the image (I've no idea how else I'd do it myself)
[12:07] <Tonio-> so I have to manage something brighter but not too much ;)
[12:07] <Tonio-> I can modify boh palette and image
[12:07] <Tonio-> to get the modified palette and an identical to before image
[12:07] <Tonio-> that's perfectly possible
[12:08] <Tonio-> let me 1/ think about it with a cigarette 2/ check ;)
[12:08] <Tonio-> I try to do it for 2 PM
[12:08] <Tonio-> gmt+1
[12:09] <Riddell> it just needs colour order swapped in the palette
[12:10] <Riddell> howdy OculusAquilae, fancy packaging ksniffer?
[12:10] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell
[12:11] <OculusAquilae> not so much experience in packaging
[12:11] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: perfect time to learn :)
[12:11] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:12] <Tonio-> Riddell: it needs color swap in tha palette AND image modifications ;)
[12:12] <Riddell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio-: images needs to be modified to follow the swapped colours so it ends up looking exactly the same
[12:12] <Tonio-> because the image sctructure refers to the palette color id, so for each colors that I swap, I have to swap the image too
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:13] <Tonio-> absolutly, I just found how to perform this, so it might be okay
[12:13] <Riddell> ubercool
[12:13] <OculusAquilae> hm I started to read this debian New maintainers Guide
[12:14] <OculusAquilae> only at chapter 5
[12:14] <OculusAquilae> but
[12:15] <OculusAquilae> I've a lot time free today
[12:17] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: excellent opportunity :)
[12:17] <Riddell> dh_make is the one to start with
[12:20] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:45] <OculusAquilae> ok
[12:45] <OculusAquilae> i'll look what i can do
[12:46] <JRe> Riddell: is there anything special to do?
[12:47] <JRe> Riddell: (on breezy ATM)
[01:00] <Tonio-> Riddell: just something with the image....
[01:00] <Tonio-> I'm testing and let you know
[01:00] <Tonio-> unfortunatly, I don't understand how the original image has been compressed.... 4k only, while my one is 21k with exactly the same properties.... strange
[01:03] <JRe> is there someone in charge of kubuntu-fr ?
[01:03] <amu> not now 
[01:03] <amu> .nl .es .de are up
[01:04] <JRe> amu: mmm ok i'll stick there from now because it's deseperately empty
[01:05] <JRe> Tonio-: you can come too, so we will be two ;)
[01:05] <JRe> amu: ho err, I was talking about the IRC chan :)
[01:05] <amu> :) ok, i thought web *g* 
[01:05] <JRe> amu: for the website there is http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/
[01:06] <Tonio-> yep I could that's true ;)
[01:06] <JRe> amu: but no kubuntu-fr.org :(
[01:06] <Tonio-> but actually I have to finish the usplash work (and that's not, really not a fun job lol)
[01:06] <amu> whats the problem ?  
[01:07] <amu> ubuntu-fr looks too brown :)
[01:07] <JRe> :)
[01:07] <JRe> Tonio-: you're enhancing the kubuntu's splash ?
[01:07] <Tonio-> yep
[01:07] <JRe> Tonio-: :) :) you're the touchpad master!
[01:08] <Tonio-> I touchpad victim ;)
[01:08] <amu> JRe: what do you need, in order to run kubuntu.fr ?  
[01:08] <Tonio-> in french
[01:08] <Tonio-> en plus j'aime pas le touchepad, je prefere le petit clito comme sur les ibm....
[01:08] <Tonio-> ;)
[01:08] <JRe> Tonio-: nothing more than a webserver :)
[01:08] <Tonio-> j'ai jamais su comment on apelait ce truc d'aileurs :)
[01:08] <JRe> err: amu: nothing more than a webserver
[01:09] <Tonio-> back to english and sorry for this :)
[01:09] <amu> JRe: no prob :)  
[01:09] <JRe> amu: so I can start it and maintain it
[01:11] <amu> sure, i'm running .de on my main server, but setuped last week another decicated server for public useage 
[01:11] <JRe> amu: ho cool! I can use any backend or I am obliged to have one in particular ???
[01:12] <amu> JRe: letme setup apache php sql ... later you get an ssh account and you can upload the files whenever you're suitable 
[01:13] <JRe> amu: ok!
[01:14] <amu> it maybe makes sense, to talk to marcel, he's working on a multilang cms, that makes the things in feature easier to setup another lang   
[01:15] <amu> apache is enough at the moment ?   
[01:19] <amu> Le nom de domaine kubuntu.fr est libre
[01:25] <Tonio-> why doesn't it work ^^
[01:25] <Tonio-> DAMN !!
[01:25] <Tonio-> Riddell: I modified the png
[01:26] <Tonio-> rebuilt the package and installed the two deb files.... nothing different while rebooting....
[01:26] <Tonio-> did I miss something ?
[01:26] <Riddell> Tonio-: could you send me a copy of the png?
[01:26] <Tonio-> absolutly
[01:27] <Tonio-> it is ust a test, colors are of course not definitive ;)
[01:28] <Riddell> sure
[01:28] <JRe> amu: youpee you'll register it?
[01:28] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/kusplash.png
[01:28] <JRe> Tonio-: hehe nice!
[01:29] <Tonio-> JRe:  ? what is nice ?
[01:29] <JRe> Tonio-: kubuntu.fr domain name is free
[01:29] <JRe> Tonio-: and you splash of course :)
[01:29] <Tonio-> ah ?
[01:29] <Tonio-> interesting
[01:29] <Riddell> .fr domains are difficult to get
[01:29] <JRe> s/you/your/
[01:29] <JRe> Riddell: yeah I have heard about it it can take up to 6 months or more
[01:29] <Tonio-> JRe: well at the moment it doesn't change anything
[01:30] <JRe> Riddell: maybe a kubuntu-fr.org
[01:30] <Riddell> JRe: tidying bug reports would be about the most useful thing right now
[01:30] <JRe> Tonio-: no but it's the first time I see it :)
[01:30] <Riddell> JRe: kubuntu-fr.org is good
[01:30] <Tonio-> JRe: I didn't do it, just modified the structure of the png
[01:31] <JRe> Tonio-: k
[01:31] <Tonio-> Riddell: once the file is modified, I just have to build source package, pbuilder it and install the debs righ ?
[01:31] <Tonio-> JRe: I personnaly would prefer kubuntu-fr.org
[01:31] <Riddell> Tonio-: yep
[01:32] <JRe> Tonio-: yes it the easier to get and it will be the same as ubuntu-fr.org
[01:32] <Tonio-> Riddell: so I don't understand ;) maybe the modified colors are not the ones used...
[01:32] <amu> what about fr.kubuntu.org de.kubuntu.org 
[01:32] <Tonio-> and in france, historically, .fr was designed for companies only.............
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio-: what did you use to modify it?
[01:33] <Tonio-> gimp
[01:33] <JRe> amu: fr.kubuntu.org is nice too
[01:33] <amu> same system debian use for it county web and ftp server
[01:33] <Tonio-> krita cannot save palette based pngs, only rvb/alpha based
[01:33] <amu> ... and it would be cheaper :)  
[01:33] <JRe> amu: yes :) :)
[01:33] <Tonio-> Riddell: if you look at the palette, you will se the changes
[01:34] <Riddell> Tonio-: how do I look at the palette?
[01:34] <amu> www.fr.kubuntu.org ftp.fr.kubuntu.org sounds good
[01:34] <Tonio-> Riddell: open it then , let me translate ;)
[01:35] <Tonio-> Riddell: dialogs, and then color palette
[01:35] <Tonio-> in the main window
[01:35] <Tonio-> JRe: I might be able to host the website for free
[01:35] <Tonio-> I have a personnal webserver with 80 mbits/sbandwidth
[01:35] <Tonio-> and only use 20.....
[01:36] <Tonio-> if that can help :)
[01:36] <Riddell> amu: that means waiting on elmo
[01:36] <amu> Riddell: would be nice if elmo accept an hippden primary dns  
[01:37] <amu> s/hippden/hidden
[01:38] <amu> Riddell: the fastest solution, and we can create subdonains ourself if we need them    
[01:38] <Riddell> Tonio-: ok, done dialogues->palettes
[01:39] <Riddell> amu: you ask him then :)
[01:40] <Riddell> Tonio-: but I can't see how to find the current palette of the image
[01:40] <Tonio-> it is this one
[01:40] <Tonio-> you should have 133 entries right ?
[01:40] <Tonio-> 13
[01:41] <Tonio-> Riddell: not palette
[01:41] <Tonio-> look upper
[01:41] <Tonio-> you should have something called "color palette"
[01:41] <Tonio-> don't you see it ?
[01:43] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/gimp1.png
[01:43] <Riddell> don't see it
[01:43] <Tonio-> Riddell: colourmap :)
[01:43] <Tonio-> it's this
[01:44] <amu> JRe: if you want i can order & sponsor for you the domain :) 
[01:44] <Tonio-> I may put my system in english next time ;)
[01:44] <Riddell> Tonio-: aaah :)
[01:44] <JRe> amu: is it free ?
[01:45] <amu> .. in addition the kubuntu-fr.org domain 
[01:47] <amu> i thing <service>.<country>.kubuntu.org is the best solution, everyone can try www.es.kubuntu.org if there is a spanish page or not, users find information much more easier compared to *.kubuntu*.org or *kubuntu*.com    
[01:48] <amu> s/thing/thik 
[01:48] <amu> baeh think even *g* 
[01:56] <Tonio-> Riddell: should be right according to the coors you told me to change no ?
[02:04] <Tonio-> hum need little information..
[02:04] <Tonio-> with the latest debian, how many cd's are required to perform a "basic" installation ?
[02:04] <Tonio-> I nead to download and certainly don't want to get 13 isos ;)
[02:07] <JRe> amu: I agree
[02:07] <Tonio-> so do I
[02:15] <Riddell> Tonio-: your image works great, just needs update-initramfs -u -t  run first
[02:16] <Riddell> Tonio-: do you think you'll play with lightening the darker colours?
[02:17] <Riddell> Tonio-: you can also just run   sudo usplash; sleep 3; sudo usplash_write "TEXT hello"; sudo usplash_write "SUCCESS ok"; sudo usplash_write "PROGRESS 50"
[02:30] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay
[02:31] <jjesse> Riddell: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/kde/kreleasenotes/C/ for updated kreleasenotes
[02:31] <Tonio-> no time now but I note all of this and make color tests tonight, than give you a final image
[02:31] <Riddell> Tonio-: cool
[02:31] <Riddell> jjesse: also cool, I'll take a look
[02:32] <jjesse> Riddell: Thanks, i'll make more changes if need to be
[02:42] <Tonio-> Riddell: sudo usplash; sleep 3; sudo usplash_write "TEXT hello"; sudo usplash_write "SUCCESS ok"; sudo usplash_write "PROGRESS 50" -> doesn't work for me....
[02:42] <Tonio-> I just get the initial screen, and nothing happens....
[02:50] <Tonio-> Riddell:  just saw it, need to reboot but that's okay....
[02:50] <Tonio-> Riddell: according to me OK should be more dark, visible but more dark....
[02:50] <Tonio-> and I find progress bar ok like this..... your felling ?
[02:54] <Riddell> Tonio-: I think it looks great as it is
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: run on one console   sleep 8; sudo usplash_write "TEXT hello"; sudo usplash_write "SUCCESS ok"; sudo usplash_write "PROGRESS 50"
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: then alt-f2 to another text console and run   sudo usplash
[02:57] <Tonio-> okay.... no changes required for you ? If it is okay, i'm stopping now... depends on your feeling ;)
[02:58] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's fine, thanks for your help
[02:58] <Tonio-> Riddell: no problem;)
[03:57] <Riddell> jjesse: could we get rid of the revision history in the release notes?  it's all kept in SVN and it doesn't help the reader
[04:00] <Riddell> "a large range of GStreamer plugins are available"  'are' or 'is'?
[04:02] <sebas> IMO is.
[04:02] <sebas> In dutch, both is possible, though "is" is more correct.
[04:03] <jjesse> Riddell: sure i can get rid of the revision history
[04:05] <jjesse> Riddell: committed up to revision 1861
[04:15] <jjesse> heading to different branch, gone for a bit
[05:56] <Riddell> jjesse: can you do  svn commit  on your breezy/kde/debian directory
[06:01] <Riddell> jjesse: or better, rm that directory and svn update it then apply this patch to breezy/kde
[06:01] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/docs2.diff
[06:34] <jjesse> Riddell:  sorry was at lunch
[06:34] <jjesse> when i patch it says Reversed or previosly applied patch deted! assume -R [n] 
[06:34] <Riddell> jjesse: on which file?
[06:35] <jjesse> Riddell: i did a patch -p0 < docs2.diff in the branches/breezy/kde folder
[06:35] <Riddell> but which file is it complaining about?
[06:35] <jjesse> Makefile
[06:35] <Riddell> hmm
[06:37] <Riddell> it can't be
[06:37] <jjesse> let me look again
[06:37] <Riddell> you should it isn't complaing about debian/control?
[06:37] <Riddell> s/should/sure/
[06:37] <jjesse> nope i screwed up
[06:38] <Riddell> in which way?
[06:38] <jjesse> that was patch you sent yesterday saved the new one in a different directory
[06:38] <Riddell> control-c to kill patch
[06:38] <jjesse> i did and patched
[06:38] <jjesse> committing right now
[06:40] <jjesse> just commited them
[06:41] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent, thanks
[06:42] <Riddell> jjesse: I changed it to use the KDE style sheet, to all be a large sect1, moved some bits about and changed a few bits of text
[06:42] <jjesse> Riddell: no problem i saw the changes
[06:43] <jjesse> Riddell: can i then move on to the aboutkubuntu and look for changes there?
[06:43] <Riddell> jjesse: please do
[06:46] <Riddell> jjesse: let me know if you have any questions
[06:46] <jjesse> Riddell: will do i haven't really looked at it lately
[07:19] <jjesse> Riddell: can i mark the release notes as finished on wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects ?
[07:20] <Riddell> jjesse: sure
[08:01] <Riddell> jjesse: I just noticed a comment "OpenOffice shots in ?Kubuntu user guide? are still of ooo 1.1.3."
[08:01] <Riddell> jjesse: so you have users waiting on your updates :)
[08:04] <jjesse> is that a bug? or in a wiki page
[08:21] <Riddell> jjesse: in the user guide, but we're dropping the user guide so it's not a problem
[08:21] <Riddell> just good to know that people are reading the docs
[08:22] <verwilst> hi
[08:22] <verwilst> Riddell: ping!
[08:22] <Riddell> verwilst: hmm?
[08:22] <verwilst> Riddell: libqt4-core depends on libqt4-gui?
[08:23] <verwilst> that kinda defeats the purpose of the split packages? ;)
[08:23] <Riddell> verwilst: upstream issue (debian) for now
[08:23] <Riddell> qt 4 isn't priority for breezy since nothing uses it
[08:24] <verwilst> i would (h) :d
[08:24] <verwilst> need to make some postfix content_filters
[08:24] <verwilst> and since i want something that performs well, i was thinking about c++ :)
[08:24] <jjesse> Riddell: userguide should be in dapper drake correct?
[08:25] <verwilst> but c++ in itself is icky, but Qt is niiiice :d
[08:39] <\sh> Riddell: I wanted to package last.fm player ;)
[09:09] <jjesse> Riddell: i have a question on the aboutkubuntu doc can i copy http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/ and then make changes fo kubuntu?
[09:38] <ach> breezy upgrade: language-pack-kde-de-base and kaffeine have both german kaffeine.po
[09:40] <ach> #lauchpad
[11:40] <Tm_T> sounds like RC day to me