[12:04] <delltony> anyone?
[12:08] <Tm_T> !repositories
[12:08] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[12:12] <gstrock> got a problem.  I installed as expert so I have a root password.  When I choose a menu item and get a prompt for the su password, it always fails "su returned with a failure".
[12:13] <astro76> gstrock: probably need your user password
[12:13] <gstrock> well, the root and the user password are the same!
[12:13] <astro76> doh
[12:15] <delltony> question when installing kubuntu breezy i get the following error can't install initd tools. I installed winblows first on one partition and left the rest of the hd unallocated and went to install breezy on there this is how i'm having the issue when trying to install the base system.
[12:22] <gstrock> can't install initd tools... hmmm... I just helped a co-worker, her install borked on base system, seems she was trying to install it into a fat32 partition.  Probably not your problem, I'm just throwing something out here.
[12:22] <delltony> Riddell you around?
[12:23] <Riddell> delltony: hi
[12:25] <delltony> hey man have a question i hope you can help me with
[12:25] <delltony> I had breezy up and running Kubuntu that is and all was fine but i needed windows for work so i did the following
[12:25] <delltony> i hosed the drive and repartitioned it with a 9gig ntfs partition
[12:26] <delltony> and the rest unallocated for linux
[12:26] <delltony> i installed xp on the 9gig and then go to install kubuntu on the rest and all is good till i get to the base install and i get the old error that i seen in warty of can't install initrd-tools
[12:26] <nalioth> delltony: check your md5s
[12:27] <delltony> just out of curiousity how can i do that on a none linux system?
[12:27] <Riddell> md5sum.exe
[12:27] <Riddell> delltony: no idea I'm afraid, I'm not a windows user
[12:27] <delltony> no thats fine nor am i that much
[12:28] <Riddell> but asking in a general ubuntu place might help
[12:28] <Riddell> delltony: what were you installing from?
[12:28] <delltony> i'm with nalioth the cd might be bad in terms of md5sum
[12:28] <delltony> from a cd i burned the preview blah blah breezy 
[12:28] <delltony> the lastest one on the site as of yesterday
[12:29] <nalioth> delltony: check the md5 of both the iso image and the burnt cd-r
[12:29] <delltony> ok will do 
[12:29] <delltony> ill be home in about 2 hours and will let you know i[m at work right now 
[12:29] <delltony> thanks for the tip 
[12:30] <nalioth> delltony: and if the md5s check out on the disk, you might try burning it as slow as you can burn
[12:33] <gstrock> Linux can read and write fat32 so how come no one installs Linux on a fat32 partition?
[12:33] <Blissex> gstrock: the permission model is all different and inappropriate
[12:34] <Blissex> gstrock: however, there is an extension of the 'vfat' driver called 'umsdos' that works around that.
[12:34] <Blissex> gstrock: but I don't think many people have used 'umsdos' in the past five years.
[12:34] <gstrock> yeah, ok.  thanks
[01:00] <cddesjar> hi
[01:26] <activelow> anyone have tips for an Ipod 40gig via usb on hoary?  I get usb 2-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 when I plug it in
[01:27] <TokenBad> ok
[01:27] <TokenBad> WTF would cause firefox to start crashing out of the blue
[01:27] <TokenBad> over and over and over
[01:33] <nalioth> activelow: you using gtkpod?
[01:34] <activelow> nalioth: nothing right now, I just plugged it in too see if it would mount and it doesnt see it as a mass storage device
[01:34] <nalioth> activelow: gtkpod is the interface software
[01:35] <activelow> nalioth: shouldnt it be detected as as a sdx device?
[01:35] <nalioth> activelow: i have no ipod and no clue
[01:36] <nalioth> activelow: i just know gtkpod is uses as a mediary tween your music player and the ipod
[01:36] <nalioth> activelow: ask in #ubuntu
[01:36] <activelow> I'll try installing that and see what happends
[01:36] <activelow> ok
[01:53] <drom1n4d0> somebody here?
[01:53] <drom1n4d0> for help me
[02:04] <beast> hi dromln4d0
[02:13] <drom1n4d0> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:13] <drom1n4d0> what is mean
[02:13] <drom1n4d0> how resolve this?
[02:14] <beast> do you have synaptic open?
[02:14] <drom1n4d0> i tink no
[02:15] <drom1n4d0> how im open
[02:15] <beast> it means you are trying to install a package in two different locations... so either apt-get install or install with synaptic or kynaptic
[02:16] <drom1n4d0> ok
[02:16] <drom1n4d0> what i have doing?
[02:16] <drom1n4d0> for resolve the problem
[02:17] <beast> just make sure to close your console or synaptic/kynaptic
[02:17] <beast> make sure only one packager is open at one time
[02:17] <drom1n4d0> how i close the synaptic
[02:17] <beast> just close it like a normal window
[02:18] <drom1n4d0> but the windows are close
[02:18] <drom1n4d0> the kopete is the only open anda the konversation
[02:18] <beast> are you sure? it must be open in the background somewhere
[02:27] <JC|Burt> ???
[02:31] <phoenixbyrd> does kaffeine play dvd's or do I gotta dl sumthing else?
[02:38] <philipacamaniac> phoenixbyrd: for most dvd's which are encrypted you need libdvdcss
[02:38] <phoenixbyrd> kk, ty
[02:38] <philipacamaniac> it used to be available from backports, but I don't know where to find it these days
[02:38] <phoenixbyrd> I just got it off kynaptic
[02:39] <phoenixbyrd> hrm...
[02:39] <philipacamaniac> there ya go
[02:40] <phoenixbyrd> kaffeine give's a new error now, says I need the decoder or whatnot, didn't say that before tho
[02:40] <phoenixbyrd> trying mplayer
[02:40] <philipacamaniac> hoary or breezy
[02:41] <phoenixbyrd> breezy I think... not sure which I installed. Just dled one without looking. Windows got messed up and wouldn't reinstall, so... I'm done with windows
[02:41] <philipacamaniac> that's cool to hear
[02:41] <philipacamaniac> okay, kaffeine by default uses gstreamer in breezt
[02:42] <phoenixbyrd> yea, I read the reactivation crap... no way in hell am I going through that lol
[02:42] <phoenixbyrd> yea, it's using gstreamer
[02:42] <philipacamaniac> if it does work in mplayer, and you want it to work in kaffeine, you should install kaffeine-xine from kynaptic
[02:42] <philipacamaniac> xine will use the same codecs
[02:42] <philipacamaniac> as mplayer
[02:43] <phoenixbyrd> k, mplayer is complaining about decode_audio
[02:43] <philipacamaniac> ug, evil... try another dvd just in case
[02:43] <phoenixbyrd> is this that mp3 problem I've read about?
[02:45] <phoenixbyrd> kaffeine is sorta working... I think
[02:46] <phoenixbyrd> I don't see the xine thing for kaffeine
[02:50] <phoenixbyrd> found sumthing bout the dma, fixed that part
[02:50] <phoenixbyrd> now it's not playing lol
[02:52] <philipacamaniac> sorry, i stepped away for a second
[02:52] <phoenixbyrd> np
[02:53] <phoenixbyrd> totem won't even install :/
[02:53] <philipacamaniac> kaffeine-xine is in universe, and then to use it - in kaffeine, go to Settings -> Player Engine -> Kaffeine
[02:54] <philipacamaniac> totem should install without problem - you don't have any backports mirrors in your /etc/apt/sources.list do you?
[02:55] <phoenixbyrd> I can't find it in universe, and setting's just shows gstreamer, and idk what a backport mirror is yet 
[02:56] <phoenixbyrd> when I goto install totem, the lil checkmark won't stay up, and if I try to install anyways it quits
[02:58] <troy> nick thieves
[02:59] <phoenixbyrd> those bastards
[03:03] <philipacamaniac> phoenixbyrd: type my nick when you want to grab my attention - install totem from a konsole by typing "sudo apt-get install totem"
[03:03] <phoenixbyrd> kk
[03:05] <phoenixbyrd> it's working with ogle :D
[03:06] <philipacamaniac> well, whatever works, ya know
[03:22] <jjesse> !tell gstreamer
[03:22] <jjesse> !tell amarok
[03:22] <TokenBad> WTF would cause firefox to start crashing out of the blue
[03:22] <TokenBad> over and over and over
[03:22] <jjesse> !tell me amarok
[03:24] <jjesse> !tell jjesse krita
[03:28] <TokenBad> anyone?
[03:33] <apokryphos> jjesse: you're forgetting the *about* :P
[03:33] <jjesse> dnag thanks apokryphos never used it before
[03:33] <apokryphos> jjesse: /msg ubotu factoid
[03:33] <jjesse> !tell about krita
[03:34] <apokryphos> and the !tell works like; !tell X about factoid
[03:34] <jjesse> !tell jjesse about gstreamer
[03:34] <apokryphos> jjesse: better to /msg though =)
[03:35] <apokryphos> or, use the searchable page
[03:35] <apokryphos> !list
[03:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[03:35] <jjesse> grin Riddell gave me a ton of changes for krelease notes that i'm trying to get in before releasea canadiate
[03:35] <apokryphos> heh
[03:36] <jjesse> so i'm trying to find stuff i don't know about
[03:37] <apokryphos> jjesse: kde docs are a great place to look, of course :)
[03:37] <jjesse> ok i will look there, kubuntu docs are not since i'm writing them :(
[03:38] <apokryphos> what things specifically are you trying to write about?
[03:39] <jjesse> currently?  all the new changes in breezy badger for kubuntu
[03:44] <jjesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes 
[03:44] <jjesse> and making it current for kubuntu 5.10
[03:47] <apokryphos> I see
[03:51] <jjesse> apokryphos: how do i setup khelpcenter to allow me to search  the kde docs?
[03:52] <jjesse> right now all it allows me to search are manual pages
[03:52] <apokryphos> jjesse: I don't really use it, but it should have the docs there on the left and you can create an index
[03:52] <apokryphos> hm
[03:52] <apokryphos> urm, same here it seems
[03:53] <apokryphos> what do you want to search for?
[03:53] <apokryphos> docs.kde.org is good
[03:53] <jjesse> nothing off the top of my head, just was looking around
[03:54] <apokryphos> jjesse: you can look around by using the Contents
[03:54] <apokryphos> though I tend to always just use konqueror using the help kioslave
[03:59] <satafterh> any one in here help me??
[04:15] <dashrike> linux can read off a drive formatted in windows, yes?
[04:16] <bdmp2000> yes
[04:16] <bdmp2000> but it cant write on NTFS
[04:16] <dashrike> write to FAT though?
[04:16] <bdmp2000> which is the xp kind
[04:16] <bdmp2000> yeah
[04:16] <dashrike> k
[04:16] <dashrike> xp can run off FAT as well
[04:17] <bdmp2000> so if you want to share a drive to fat 32
[04:17] <bdmp2000> xp can read and write fat32 
[04:17] <bdmp2000> but it can't run off it
[04:17] <dashrike> oh
[04:17] <bdmp2000> when you install it it is auto NTFS
[04:18] <bdmp2000> there is a project working on making ntfs writing in linux but it is dangerous
[04:18] <dashrike> 2k can run off fat, yes?
[04:18] <bdmp2000> yes
[04:19] <dashrike> I'm used to that anyways
[04:19] <bdmp2000> not can, but does
[04:19] <dashrike> only?
[04:19] <bdmp2000> when you install 2k it is only fat32
[04:19] <dashrike> I know 2k can read and write to ntfs as well though
[04:19] <bdmp2000> yeah
[04:20] <bdmp2000> sure
[04:20] <bdmp2000> but the installs have defauts
[04:20] <bdmp2000> you can't change the file system
[04:21] <bdmp2000> the difference is "run off" and "read and write to"
[04:21] <dashrike> yu
[04:21] <dashrike> p
[04:29] <TokenBad> in evolution email is there a way to have it save emails you have?
[04:32] <jsubl2> TokenBad: did you ask in #ubuntu.. most of the folks use the gnome apps.. most here use the kde apps
[04:41] <dashrike> http://www.mailnation.net/
[04:41] <Octane> is kde 3.5 b1 packages out for amd64?
[04:50] <FractuS> hi there
[04:57] <delltony> Riddell are you around?
[04:58] <delltony> i ran a md5sum on the iso and it matched up fine however, on the cdrom there is a md5sum.txt and i ran it against the cd and i get 3 errors for mixmatch
[04:58] <delltony> i have burned the cd on 2 seperate systems and the same error on both systems so i don't feel its on my end although i could be wrong
[04:59] <delltony> .\install\netboot\pxelinux.0 ERROR: Checksum did not match.
[04:59] <delltony> .\pool\main\p\python2.4\python2.4_2.4.1-3_i386.deb ERROR: Checksum did not match.
[05:07] <kkathman> evening all
[06:04] <philipacamaniac> anyone: where are kmenu entries stored (what file should I backup for my kmenu customizations)?
[06:05] <inc|freaky> no idea sry
[06:10] <seth_k> me neither
[06:10] <seth_k> .kde should be fine though
[06:10] <seth_k> just yoink the whole folder, mm?
[06:11] <philipacamaniac> yeah, I'm also seeing .local/share/applications
[06:12] <philipacamaniac> problem is, I want to somehow merge Breezy changes to my current menu, when I upgrade this machine
[06:13] <seth_k> philipacamaniac, I'd bite the bullet and just redo your changes
[06:13] <seth_k> imo
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> ay caramba
[06:14] <philipacamaniac> okay, okay - but I'm backing it up nonetheless
[06:17] <philipacamaniac> I really should do a clean install, since I've done things like splashy and other ubuntuguide.org changes on my hoary
[06:18] <philipacamaniac> but.... I'm not looking forward to recompiling about 20 programs, one of which took forever (ardour)
[06:18] <philipacamaniac> I'll try the dist-upgrade and we'll see how it goes
[06:35] <propagandhi> is anyone here using kmetabar
[06:38] <jmg> anyone here use hostap drivers? when i load i get not one but two ether devices
[06:40] <cyne> when is the next kubuntu due out?
[06:40] <seth_k> 10-13 methinks
[06:40] <cyne> kewl :)
[06:42] <cyne> because mine needs a clean install
[06:43] <cyne> too many things are strange since i did a dist-upgrade
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu is 13th, i expet kubuntu will be as well
[06:47] <cyne> Kamping_Kaiser: have you ever used Koffice?
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: no, i hardly use office tools at all
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i do its OO.o :/
[06:48] <cyne> ok, just wondering, i'd never heard of koffice, yet it has a heap of tools
[06:51] <propagandhi> yakuake is the best konsole improvement, it rocks
[06:52] <regeya> indeed.
[06:53] <pc22> hello, anyone can guide me install win apps using wine pls. this is my first time
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> pc22 what do you want to install? are you sure it will work ?
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> but to install, you open Konsole , type "wine /path/to/windows/exe"
[06:54] <pc22> i hope so
[06:57] <cyne> pc22
[06:57] <cyne> are you there?
[06:58] <cyne> try this: http://frankscorner.org/
[06:58] <pc22> yeah im here
[06:58] <cyne> or winehq
[06:58] <cyne> link to app database
[07:11] <pc22> should i copy the apps in linux drive?
[07:11] <pc22> should i copy the windows apps in linux drive? its money2005
[07:31] <pc22> what will i add to menu.lst to add xp i lost it when i updated today
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you look theres an example windows entry in there, you should be able to just copy it :)
[07:33] <pc22> theres no copy
[07:33] <pc22> i lost the "boot" system administration
[07:34] <pc22> i cant copy cos theres no win entry
[08:28] <aftertaf> boing :)
[08:53] <KiwiKibi> Sssay, what's the URL to find apps for Linux, like a CD burner, and a file wiper??
[08:55] <aftertaf> !equivalents
[08:55] <ubotu> hmm... equivalents is A decent list of linux equivalents and analogues can be found here: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#1
[09:15] <KiwiKibi> thanks
[09:20] <cyne> how do i recompile my kernel?
[09:20] <cyne> KiwiKibi: k3b comes with Kubuntu
[09:20] <cyne> for cd burning
[09:30] <cyne> uboto how do i recompile my kernel
[09:30] <cyne> !uboto how do i recompile my kernel
[09:30] <ubotu> cyne: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:34] <KiwiKibi> ahh, k3b . . . koolness
[09:36] <Tm_T> :)
[09:39] <cyne> KiwiKibi: it is very kool indeed
[09:39] <KiwiKibi> =)  gotta sleep . . . l8rz
[09:40] <cyne> kFormula 700k!
[09:40] <cyne> kivio 152k!
[09:40] <cyne> Tm_T:  ?
[09:40] <cyne> i dont get it
[09:43] <Tm_T> cyne: the very latest development sources from svn
[09:45] <cyne> ah :)
[09:45] <cyne> Tm_T:  so you use Koffice?
[09:46] <Tm_T> yes
[09:46] <cyne> how does it compare to oo.o2
[09:46] <Tm_T> when I test or need it :)
[09:46] <cyne> ?
[09:46] <Tm_T> I find it more comfortable
[09:46] <cyne> or "komfortable" as the kase may be
[09:47] <Tm_T> =)
[09:47] <TokenBad> what should I apt-get for ident for irc?
[09:47] <aftertaf> cyne:  why do you need to recompile your kernel?
[09:48] <aftertaf> its updated with apt...
[09:49] <Tonio-> morning
[09:49] <aftertaf> morning :)
[09:50] <Tm_T> hi Tonio- 
[09:50] <TokenBad> what should I apt-get for ident for irc?
[09:50] <Tm_T> TokenBad: maybe xinetd helps
[09:51] <TokenBad> thats the one
[09:51] <TokenBad> thanks Tm_T
[09:51] <Tm_T> and open port 113 then ;)
[09:52] <cyne> Tm_T: can you tell me how to recompile my kernel?
[09:53] <cyne> vmware needs me to recompile with latest gcc in order to run
[09:53] <Tm_T> :o
[09:53] <cyne> :(
[09:54] <Tm_T> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065
[09:55] <aftertaf> cyne:  are you sure you need to recompile one? or do you just want to do it ? ;)
[09:55] <cyne> aftertaf: vmware says it needs me to do it
[09:55] <aftertaf> crap........  ok. VMware..... didnt see that bit ;)
[09:55] <cyne> `:/
[09:56] <aftertaf> s'ok....  not too hard actually.
[09:56] <aftertaf> using make kpkg is fun :)
[09:56] <cyne> hmm i think this might take a while
[09:56] <cyne> d'oh
[09:56] <aftertaf> you started on it?
[09:56] <cyne> nope
[09:56] <aftertaf> you got good info?
[09:57] <cyne> Tm_T just gave me a howto
[09:57] <cyne> thnx Tm_T 
[09:57] <Tm_T> np
[09:58] <aftertaf> cool....
[09:58] <aftertaf> the guy doesnt mention .config though.....
[09:58] <aftertaf> cyne:  you dont actually need to change anything in the kernel?
[10:00] <cyne> one moment
[10:03] <cyne> http://pastebin.com/383575
[10:03] <cyne> that's what it says
[10:04] <aftertaf> ok
[10:04] <aftertaf> Quote:           or restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.p
[10:04] <aftertaf> with CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.4.5".
[10:04] <aftertaf> how do you do that???
[10:04] <aftertaf> !vmware
[10:04] <cyne> i have a gcc-3.3 and a gcc-4.0, but no 3.4.5, apparently
[10:04] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, aftertaf
[10:05] <aftertaf> ok... cant you install it?
[10:05] <cyne> you should be able to go CC="/usr/bin/gcc-3.3"
[10:05] <cyne> but it says the same thing
[10:05] <aftertaf> yeah, but your kernel wasnt compiled with that version.
[10:05] <cyne> oh i see
[10:05] <aftertaf> 'our kernels', i mean
[10:06] <aftertaf> apt-cache search gcc     shows you 3.4.5 ?
[10:07] <aftertaf> i can see gcc3.4.4
[10:07] <cyne> i see a 3.4 but no 3.4.5
[10:07] <cyne> oh, 3.4.4 yes
[10:07] <aftertaf> are you wanting to run vmware on your ubuntu?
[10:07] <cyne> yes
[10:07] <cyne> i already had it running
[10:08] <aftertaf> oki.
[10:08] <cyne> but then i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:08] <cyne> and now it won't 
[10:08] <aftertaf> i'd wait till breezy stables out.
[10:08] <aftertaf> that way we should have the kernel comiled with the gcc version that comes with it (maybe)
[10:09] <aftertaf> if you cant wait.... do the kernel thingy :)
[10:09] <cyne> i can wait, but it's 8 days man
[10:09] <cyne> :(
[10:09] <cyne> that's 8x24 hours, 8x24x60x60 seconds
[10:10] <aftertaf> lol
[10:10] <aftertaf> you can do the kernel thing without screwing your system...
[10:10] <aftertaf> and you can remove it after if you want... long live apt!!!!!
[10:10] <aftertaf> a new kernel in a .deb :D
[10:11] <cyne> so when breezy comes out like that, i will have to reinstall the whole OS won't i?
[10:11] <cyne> to get a new kernel
[10:11] <cyne> or will it come down with apt-get
[10:11] <aftertaf> vmware os? or actual machine os?
[10:11] <Tm_T> apt-get does the trick
[10:11] <cyne> linux
[10:11] <Tm_T> as always
[10:11] <cyne> nice
[10:12] <aftertaf> very :)
[10:12] <cyne> i think i will wait though... it will probably take 8 days to compile the kernel
[10:12] <god-zero> breezy development still seems to be going at mach 10. Is that a good sign, or bad?
[10:12] <aftertaf> nah.......
[10:13] <aftertaf> i'd say both.... depends on your PoV / mood :)
[10:13] <cyne> god-zero: i think it's great!
[10:13] <cyne> god-zero: i'm only joking with my comments
[10:14] <aftertaf> hehe. cyne you could do the kernel just for fun and for experience.....
[10:14] <god-zero> ya, I know... it just reminded me of that question.
[10:15] <cyne> aftertaf: yes i've decided to do that :) one thing i can say for sure, windows could never handle recompiling itself in a window lol
[10:16] <aftertaf> i dont know if its actually ever been comiled ;)
[10:16] <aftertaf> p
[10:16] <cyne> hehe
[10:16] <cyne> i have to say KOffice is speedy
[10:17] <god-zero> Talking about VMs, Doesn't the AMD x86_64 have better VM support (no need for software to reinterpret ring 0 stuff)
[10:17] <aftertaf> isnt ring 0 a scary japanese prequel ?
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats the original ring iirc
[10:18] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:19] <aftertaf> spooky.... the way she walks, with her hair all wrong from a gravity point of view....
[10:19] <aftertaf> argh!!
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:20] <aftertaf> when it's good like that one is, i am.... :D
[10:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) 
[10:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> heres my type of horror - an apt-proxy with no obvios problem, thts rooted... thats about as horror as i like things ;)
[10:20] <aftertaf> loool
[10:21] <aftertaf> cig'rette time ;) brb
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. k
[10:23] <cyne> on friday will be 7 weeks since i gave up smoking
[10:24] <jeh_work> does anyone run klik with hoary?
[10:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd cyne
[10:25] <jeh_work> it seems to be the new thing nowadays, but the installation of klik itself is hairy, and i won't bother if it doesn't work
[10:25] <cyne> i like how the new version of Konversation shows people who are afk
[10:27] <cyne> Kamping_Kaiser: thanks
[10:29] <mornfall> there's a row of wine bottles in my room
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> support!
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gets drunk* ;P
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> do we have any apt-proxy experts? :/
[10:34] <cyne> i find that my code goes all crazy if i get intoxicated `:/
[10:34] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, don't use apt-proxy unless you have to
[10:35] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: at least not v2, it's largely unreliable and a total resource hog
[10:35] <mornfall> (being written in python/twisted)
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: well thats exactly what i have :|
[10:36] <mornfall> try apt-move if it fits your needs... or maybe apt-cacher but i never tried that
[10:36] <mornfall> or try to get apt-proxy v1, it is... workable
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill look at apt-move (may as well), but i have apt-proxy working on serveral boxes, so i wont break them, just this trouble box
[10:38] <cyne> anyone know where to change my Samba Workgroup within the Kubuntu System Settings ?
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser>  It can also build a partial or complete local mirror of a
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser>  Debian binary distribution (including an ``installed-packages only'' mirror) <- mornfall, do you know how to do that? is it rtfm stuff?
[10:39] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: probably just rtfm
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. *apts in*
[10:39] <mornfall> Kamping_Kaiser: i didn't set it up for ages
[10:39] <mornfall> haven't?
[10:39] <mornfall> whatever ;p
[10:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :)
[10:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like it could be good when i work it out :/
[10:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> mornfall: it looks like apt-move only mirrors the distro its running on, is that correct?
[10:59] <aftertaf> loool cyne 
[10:59] <aftertaf> code going wrong when under influence... funny that ;)
[10:59] <cyne> indeed
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:00] <cyne> you come back the next day and it's like 'wtf was i thinking'
[11:00] <Bizzeh> i code better when under the influence
[11:00] <cyne> influence of what?
[11:00] <Bizzeh> alcohol
[11:00] <cyne> haha as if
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> my mate swears by getting stoned and coding, *shrug* if you can still work like then then sure :)
[11:01] <Bizzeh> no to much, like, a shot or 2
[11:01] <Bizzeh> it just, slicks up your brain
[11:01] <cyne> Kamping_Kaiser: hmm well not sure of the scientific validity of that view `:/
[11:02] <cyne> i could cite studies which show that being stoned and/or being drunk are hinderances to programming but why would i bother
[11:03] <Bizzeh> cyne: i tryed forever to add something called "boost mode" to filezilla for xbmc
[11:03] <cyne> you may code well while drunk, but not as well as straight
[11:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: im sure studdies show both ways
[11:03] <Bizzeh> couldnt get it at all
[11:03] <Bizzeh> couldnt think
[11:03] <Bizzeh> had 2 double vodka
[11:03] <nikkia> cyne, i'd just cite the case of when i worked on a  uni project (pascal code) while drunk :)
[11:03] <Bizzeh> coded it in 2 hours
[11:04] <nikkia> cyne, it took me nearly 6 weeks to undo the damage i did in those 3 hours
[11:04] <aftertaf> "i could cite studies which show that being stoned and/or being drunk are hinderances to programming but why would i bother" looool
[11:04] <cyne> Bizzeh: ah very good i use your product
[11:04] <Bizzeh> sexy :)
[11:04] <cyne> nikkia: same
[11:04] <aftertaf> being stoned helped me at uni. except i was too much for too long and ended up not going to any classes :/
[11:04] <Bizzeh> im only a recent member of the team tho :)
[11:05] <aftertaf> depends on the person....... i think.
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas the date and time?
[11:05] <cyne> to adults, marijuana can be harmful, to growing brains it can be uber harmful
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> oct the 5th. some time?
[11:06] <Bizzeh> 05/10/2005 - 10:06:59
[11:06] <cyne> to some it is medicinal
[11:06] <cyne> but i don't care much because i don't use it
[11:06] <nikkia> of course, being able to program drunk/stoned doesn't really help much if you ever try to get a job as a programmer :)
[11:06] <nikkia> companies tend not to allow you to get drunk/stoned on their time :)
[11:06] <aftertaf> nikkia:  500% true
[11:07] <cyne> nikkia: hmm i wonder why that might be
[11:07] <cyne> `:/
[11:07] <aftertaf> plus you'll have trouble getting the job in the first place....
[11:07] <nikkia> afteraf, that depends on the company
[11:07] <Bizzeh> nikkia: i managed to be able to drink in college while coding
[11:07] <Bizzeh> was quite easy
[11:07] <Bizzeh> since vodka is clear and doesnt have a smell
[11:07] <nikkia> afteraf, every company i've worked for has had a fairly open mind on the issue of getting drunk/stoned in your own time
[11:08] <nikkia> afteraf, and for one, i think getting stoned was a requirement for the designers :P
[11:08] <aftertaf> fair enough..... but if it is a big lifestyle thing, it can stop you actually getting the job if you're too much of a waster.
[11:08] <aftertaf> exceptions aside :)
[11:09] <nikkia> aftertaf: my current boss takes more days off due to drunken altercations than he does sick days :P
[11:09] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:10] <nikkia> afteraf, i've lost count of the number of times i've heard 'oh ... won't be in today, he got arrested for a drunken fight last night'
[11:10] <aftertaf> nice :)
[11:10] <aftertaf> well, if they're happy that way...
[11:10] <nikkia> afteraf, yeah, i don't think i'd like to get on the wrong side of him....
[11:11] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:13] <nikkia> aftertaf: there's a very good story about 2 christmas parties ago, that illustrates just how 'great' he is on alcohol - the party was at club that is on the grounds of the local zoo - he got drunk then wandered off, they found him trying to pick a fight with a lion
[11:13] <aftertaf> we all have problems........ his could well kill him !! :o
[11:15] <cyne> what does this mean when compiling kernel? http://pastebin.com/383613
[11:16] <aftertaf> looking
[11:17] <aftertaf> cyne:  /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc-3.4: command not found
[11:17] <aftertaf> look in that script and see what command is at line 11....
[11:17] <cyne> ok
[11:19] <cyne> MAJOR=$(echo __GNUC__ | $compiler -E -xc - | tail -n 1)
[11:20] <cyne> ^--- line 11
[11:21] <aftertaf> nice :/
[11:21] <aftertaf> tail, maybe.....
[11:21] <morrow> install gcc...
[11:21] <cyne> gcc is installed
[11:21] <aftertaf> you might not have all the needed stuff.
[11:21] <morrow> version 3.4?
[11:22] <aftertaf> gcc, 3.4.4 ?
[11:22] <cyne> i will look
[11:23] <cyne> 4.01-3
[11:23] <aftertaf> youll need 3.4 too...
[11:23] <cyne> why?
[11:24] <cyne> ok, installing
[11:25] <aftertaf> dunno..... ;) lnux has a lot of mysteries for me still 
[11:26] <cyne> ok there it goes
[11:27] <cyne> oh dear, there's a lot of options
[11:28] <cyne> is there not an auto-detect for these?
[11:30] <nikkia> cyne, 'build-essential'
[11:31] <nikkia> altho if you're on breezy, that may only depend on gcc 4.0, i dunno
[11:32] <Bizzeh> does breezy use 4.0?
[11:33] <Tm_T> yes?
[11:33] <kakalto> what date is breezy due?
[11:34] <Tm_T> 13.10. ?
[11:34] <aftertaf> and copy over the config file from boot to /usr/src/linux too
[11:34] <star13> hi
[11:35] <kakalto> thanks T
[11:35] <kakalto> *Tm_T
[11:44] <cyne> well that was nice i was able to add support for my graphics card and cpu inthe kernel
[11:44] <aftertaf> cyne:  it should already be there, as a modue anyway.....
[11:44] <aftertaf> but it IS nice :)
[11:45] <Bizzeh> i still cant get the proper radeon drivers working 
[11:45] <cyne> :D
[11:45] <Bizzeh> its anoying as hell
[12:19] <cyne> it's still doing the drivers
[12:27] <Bizzeh> on my actual hardware
[12:27] <Bizzeh> i can do a stage3 gentoo install in a hour, kubuntu has taken nearly 2 so far
[12:27] <cyne> help! i compiled my kernel but there's no .deb to install
[12:30] <flo> cyne: did you use make-kpkg ?
[12:30] <cyne> flo yes, and i used --initrd is that bad?
[12:31] <cyne> flo, i'm following the instructions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43065
[12:31] <cyne> i made it to the last step
[12:31] <flo> cyne: no, thats okay ... so, the compiliation succeeded without errors?
[12:31] <cyne> dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.12-custom_10.00.Custom_i386.deb (--install):
[12:31] <cyne>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[12:31] <cyne> yes
[12:32] <cyne> i believe so
[12:32] <alex_> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin
[12:32] <alex_> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libsvl645li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:32] <alex_> after installation of openoffice
[12:32] <alex_> the file is here
[12:32] <alex_> slocate libsvl645li.so
[12:32] <alex_> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsvl645li.so
[12:33] <morrow> call "ooffice"
[12:33] <morrow> or openoffice
[12:33] <flo> cyne: did you compile the kernel with ramdisk support?
[12:34] <cyne> flo, i don't remember
[12:34] <cyne> flo, i left most of the defaults
[12:34] <alex_> morrow, what ?
[12:35] <flo> cyne: in your kernel source folder you have a .config file where the kernel options are set. You can see if it is set to YES or commented out 
[12:35] <cyne> ok
[12:35] <alex_> openoffice works
[12:35] <alex_> but
[12:35] <alex_> after
[12:35] <duffydack> hi
[12:35] <alex_> when i open sxc file
[12:36] <alex_> crash
[12:36] <cyne> flo, i have a vmlinux sitting in my src dir
[12:36] <duffydack> what am i missing here....got the ati driver from ati, ran it, went with it all, and ran fxlrxconfig and made sure fglrx is the driver specified, but i still get mesa crap
[12:36] <flo> cyne: Thats your compiled kernel. You can remove all object (binary) files with make-kpkg clean
[12:39] <cyne> flo, ok why would i do that?
[12:39] <cyne> i just did that and now my vmlinux is gone
[12:39] <cyne> :(
[12:40] <aftertaf> thats good....
[12:40] <cyne> man i'm freaking out, what's going on
[12:40] <aftertaf> cyne:  did you use anything as a config model before running xconfig?
[12:40] <cyne> aftertaf: i just followed the instructions on the howto
[12:40] <aftertaf> ok.
[12:41] <aftertaf> you should copy a file from /boot/ before running xconfig
[12:41] <cyne> too late :)
[12:41] <flo> cyne: why you need a self compiled kernel at all?
[12:41] <cyne> but i think i did ok, i left most options as default
[12:41] <aftertaf> get a config-XX.XX.XX file and copy it to /usr/src/linux and start again (ish)
[12:41] <aftertaf> flo:  vmware.
[12:41] <basse> can kubuntu and ubuntu repositories be mixed?  
[12:41] <aftertaf> basse:  they are the same.
[12:42] <cyne> aftertaf: why do i need to do that?
[12:42] <aftertaf> one had gnome, one kde
[12:42] <basse> aftertaf: thanks
[12:42] <aftertaf> cyne:  the config file has the current settings for the ubuntu compiled kernel.
[12:42] <cyne> ah.
[12:42] <aftertaf> if you dont have a config file to begin with, you'll have to set all the things you want == sucks
[12:43] <cyne> aftertaf: it's ok i already went through and set it
[12:43] <aftertaf> copy the config file and rename it to .config in your /usr/src/linux folder
[12:43] <cyne> but are you saying it didn't compile?
[12:43] <aftertaf> no no..... it will have compiled, but how do you know you set all the options correctly?
[12:43] <aftertaf> as per ubuntu standard working kernel
[12:43] <cyne> only one way to find out
[12:44] <cyne> but you know i don't think it did compile, because i searched the whole hd for .deb files and it wasn't there
[12:45] <aftertaf> oki.
[12:45] <aftertaf> start again then.
[12:45] <cyne> ok
[12:45] <aftertaf> you can also run xconfig then load an alternative config file...
[12:45] <aftertaf> ie /boot/.....
[12:46] <cyne> oh actually, i have a vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-386 file in my /boot dir
[12:46] <cyne> does that mean it compiled?
[12:46] <aftertaf> yep. thats your kernel.... the one you actually use now.
[12:46] <cyne> and put itself there
[12:47] <aftertaf> not the one you tried to use...
[12:47] <aftertaf> what is your processor?
[12:47] <cyne> AthlonXP
[12:47] <aftertaf> oki. get the linux-k7 package slapped on there instead.....
[12:47] <aftertaf> optimised for athlon and prepackaged by ubuntu.
[12:47] <aftertaf> wil do as a good base.
[12:48] <cyne> how might i do that good sir?
[12:48] <aftertaf> sudo apt-get install  linux-k7 ;)
[12:48] <cyne> just by selecting it in xconf?
[12:48] <cyne> oh i see
[12:48] <aftertaf> you can have a lot of different kernels on one machine.....
[12:48] <aftertaf> you choose which one you boot from with grub.
[12:49] <cyne> so wait, k7 = athlonxp ?
[12:50] <cyne> The line of K7 processors consists of:. high-performance desktop processors - Athlon, Athlon XP and Athlon
[12:51] <cyne>  MP
[12:51] <cyne> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/
[12:51] <cyne> :P
[12:52] <cyne> thanks for your help
[12:52] <Tm_T> :)
[12:52] <cyne> i wonder if vmware will run with my k7 kernel
[12:52] <Tm_T> cyne: you got your kernel compiled, no?
[12:52] <cyne> Tm_T: i don't know
[12:52] <Tm_T> :p
[12:52] <cyne> Tm_T: lol... it seemed to compile ok, but i don't know where it is
[12:53] <cyne> so i'm just downloading linux-k7 with kynpatic now maybe that will be better
[12:53] <cyne> for vmware
[12:53] <cyne> kynaptic
[12:55] <Tm_T> kynpatic and tea
[12:55] <Tm_T> err
[12:55] <Tm_T> I think I'll drink some tea before saying more ->
[12:56] <cyne> it will put hairs on your chest
[12:58] <cyne> installing linux will put hairs on your chest
[12:59] <cyne> (unless you're a woman)
[01:00] <skaman> hi guys
[01:00] <skaman> anybody has shared mails with thuderbird between win & linux?
[01:00] <cyne> hello skaman 
[01:00] <skaman> i'm trying to
[01:00] <cyne> skaman: it's possible
[01:01] <skaman> i know
[01:01] <skaman> i did it
[01:01] <skaman> i can wiew mails
[01:01] <cyne> kewl :)
[01:01] <skaman> but accounts are not shared
[01:01] <skaman> :S
[01:01] <cyne> you can't download them though
[01:01] <skaman> and i can't figure why
[01:01] <cyne> did you share it with samba?
[01:01] <cyne> the mail dir
[01:02] <skaman> is mounted
[01:02] <skaman> is a dual boot pc
[01:02] <cyne> ok
[01:02] <cyne> i see
[01:02] <cyne> so which 'side' has the data, ext or ntfs
[01:02] <skaman> fat32
[01:02] <skaman> is /mnt/d
[01:02] <cyne> why do you need dual boot anyway, go all the way to linux :D
[01:02] <cyne> oh, nice
[01:03] <cyne> well it should be easy then
[01:03] <skaman> in windows all works good
[01:03] <skaman> in linux too
[01:03] <skaman> but i have no accoutns
[01:03] <cyne> in linux?
[01:03] <cyne> well just make the account
[01:03] <skaman> hum..
[01:04] <skaman> i have like 4 accounts
[01:04] <skaman> :S
[01:04] <cyne> it only takes a couple of minutes
[01:04] <skaman> yes but i'd want all sinchro
[01:04] <skaman> i think it's possible 
[01:04] <cyne> there's a faq on the thunderbird website i think and it talks all about it
[01:05] <skaman> let' me chack
[01:05] <skaman> check
[01:05] <skaman> i have an italian howto
[01:05] <skaman> but maybe is not complete
[01:32] <cyne> wow linux runs better with my k7 kernel than the i386
[01:32] <cyne> one
[01:32] <Tm_T> good
[01:32] <Tm_T> breezy?
[01:36] <Drakeson> how can I compile and install a kernel from source?
[01:39] <Juerd> cyne: On what CPU?
[01:39] <Juerd> Drakeson: apt-get source pn, where pn is the name of the package
[01:40] <Juerd> Drakeson: Then use build-kpkg to build a new package, dpkg -i to install it
[01:41] <Juerd> Drakeson: See Google if you need step-by-step guides
[01:41] <Drakeson> that's enough (I think). Thanks :)
[01:41] <Drakeson> just didn't know about build-kpkg ;)
[01:43] <cyne> Juerd: athlon xp
[01:43] <cyne> Tm_T: breezy yes
[01:44] <Juerd> cyne: Then yea, a k7 kernel would indeed work better :)
[01:44] <cyne> how do i configure my graphics card? i don't see the option within the system settings
[01:46] <Drakeson> a silly problem! : I have created an extra user (through kuser), added it to adm, admin, sudo, and now when I open a terminal with that account sudo doesn't ask the password!!!
[01:46] <Drakeson> is sudo stable?
[01:47] <Drakeson> sounds like it may cause severe security problems (at least in its current state)
[01:50] <aftertaf> cyne:  cnfigure in what way?
[01:51] <cyne> aftertaf: allow it to be used
[01:51] <aftertaf> hehe ok.
[01:51] <CaiN_SA> Drakeson, extract ; ./configure ; make ; su ; make install
[01:51] <aftertaf> nice one with the k7..... better right?
[01:51] <aftertaf> cyne:  what gfx card do you have?
[01:52] <cyne> aftertaf: yes, much better :)
[01:52] <cyne> aftertaf: GeForce 5600FX
[01:52] <aftertaf> hehe its meant to be :)
[01:52] <aftertaf> nvidia. ok.
[01:52] <aftertaf> install k7 restricted mods then.
[01:52] <cyne> ok
[01:52] <aftertaf> linux-k7-something ;)
[01:52] <Drakeson> CaiN_SA: nope! I am addressing the problem with sudo, not that I don't know how to handle su ;)
[01:52] <aftertaf> then change the driver line in xorg.conf to "nvidia"
[01:53] <aftertaf> cyne:  having fun yet?
[01:53] <cyne> my memory is getting better for these things :)
[01:53] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:53] <cyne> aftertaf: there is linux-k7-SMP
[01:53] <cyne> or linux-k7-headers
[01:53] <aftertaf> smp is for biprocessor
[01:53] <cyne> that's all
[01:53] <aftertaf> hang on ill check.
[01:54] <cyne> hmmm there's linux-k7-2.6.12-legacy-nvidia 
[01:55] <aftertaf> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-k7
[01:55] <aftertaf> number will depend on current version.....
[01:55] <aftertaf> and when you apt-get now, your k7 kernel will be upgraded auto :)
[01:55] <aftertaf> if upgrade there be...
[01:55] <cyne> kool!
[01:55] <aftertaf> yeah, innit ? ;)
[01:56] <cyne> ok, that module is already installed, so i will go change the init
[01:56] <aftertaf> ok good.
[01:56] <aftertaf> then quit X and recomeback :)
[01:56] <aftertaf> accelerated
[02:01] <tucoz> Hi, I wonder if you have some info on amarok 1.3 and kubuntu hoary. Is this availble as a kubuntu package?
[02:01] <Elsidox> yes
[02:01] <Elsidox> tucoz: its availble in the breezy version of kubuntu
[02:01] <tucoz> oh, cool.
[02:01] <Elsidox> =)
[02:02] <tucoz> hmm, but then I won't be able to use it hoary?
[02:02] <Elsidox> sure u can
[02:02] <Tm_T> cyne: breezy && nvidia ?
[02:02] <Elsidox> but why not just upgrade to breezy?
[02:02] <tucoz> Elsidox: I do not dare to do that
[02:02] <Tm_T> tucoz: why not, release is in next week
[02:03] <aftertaf> Tm_T:  i use breezy & nvidia no pbs
[02:03] <Tm_T> aftertaf: and kernel is?
[02:03] <tucoz> I fear I will face some time fixing stuff, like compiling various libraries I use
[02:03] <aftertaf> tucoz:  it is quite stable now....
[02:03] <cyne> aftertaf: oh :) it is already setup w/ nv driver
[02:03] <Elsidox> tucoz: thats cool. Well this is how u get 1.3. Edit yur soorce list from hory to brezzy apt-get update. Than only upgrade amarok than redit your sourcelist back to hory.
[02:03] <dipnlik> hi all. just installed ubuntu, and using 1024x768 resolution, but want to try 1152x768, but it is not available on the Control Panel. How can I change this
[02:03] <Tm_T> cyne: nv driver is just 2d
[02:03] <aftertaf> Tm_T:  er... 2.6. ish
[02:03] <Elsidox> can someone help me im having sound issues?
[02:03] <Tm_T> aftertaf: uname -a
[02:04] <aftertaf> Tm_T:  pc at home, me at work... latest in breezy repos ;)
[02:04] <Tm_T> aftertaf: k7?
[02:04] <cyne> Tm_T:  ah. very good
[02:05] <Tm_T> aftertaf: I and one other found out that nvidia drivers won't work in k7 and 386 kernels
[02:05] <tucoz> Elsidox: ok, thanks. But amarok uses a lot of libraries, will the hoary libraries be compatible with the breezy ones?
[02:05] <cyne> i thought she was a bit sluggish
[02:05] <aftertaf> k7 yeah.
[02:05] <Tm_T> aftertaf: only 686 kernel was working ok
[02:05] <Tm_T> aftertaf: oh!
[02:05] <aftertaf> they work now.....
[02:05] <tucoz> Elsidox: what is your sound issues?
[02:05] <tucoz> are
[02:05] <Elsidox> tucoz: apt.dpkg should take care of all that. But im not 100% sure.
[02:05] <aftertaf> i heard they were borked, but ok at home :)
[02:05] <tucoz> Ok, great. I'll give it a go. Thanks
[02:05] <Tm_T> aftertaf: ok, so its fixed in last 24h or so :)
[02:06] <aftertaf> when did it bork?   ive been on it fine now for a while..... honestly
[02:06] <Elsidox> tucoz: I get errors. For example when im playing a sound in amarok and im burning a cd. K3b gives me an error when the cd is done burning. A sound error. It seems that I cant play more than one thing at a time
[02:06] <tucoz> heh, I have experienced that in all linux distros I've had so far
[02:07] <Tm_T> aftertaf: well, since last week I think
[02:07] <aftertaf> Tm_T:  weird.... ive been updating regularly and not had a pb.
[02:07] <Tm_T> heh
[02:07] <aftertaf> not since 2/3 weeks ago when udev didnt recreate, and once for nvid cos of some missing xorg drivers
[02:07] <aftertaf> i'll see tonite ;)
[02:08] <Tm_T> :p
[02:08] <tucoz> Hmm, maybe not kubuntu though. At least not all the time. Amarok and flash-animations in firefox is ok
[02:08] <aftertaf> cyne:  with nv driver? not same as nvidia driver
[02:08] <tucoz> But, I do not think amarok and mplayer can both use sound at the same time. Not sure though.
[02:08] <aftertaf> tucoz:  go to sound config and drop the time delay doobie
[02:08] <Drakeson> if uname -r says 2.6.12-9-k7 does it mean that it is not for dual processor?
[02:08] <Chousuke> tucoz: it's possible.
[02:09] <aftertaf> Drakeson:  yep. SMP on end is boproc
[02:09] <aftertaf> *bi
[02:09] <tucoz> Chousuke, aftertaf: Ok, I'll try that
[02:09] <tucoz> aftertaf, which sound config by the way?
[02:09] <Drakeson> so how can I get smp version, is it in repos?
[02:09] <jedimark> Drakeson: ...-k7-smp
[02:10] <aftertaf> use threaded OSS, and drop shared time to 5 secs.
[02:10] <Drakeson> jedimark: in repos?
[02:10] <aftertaf> tucoz:  in system settings, sound, sound system
[02:10] <aftertaf> Drakeson:  yep.. linux-k7-smp
[02:10] <tucoz> kcontrol?
[02:10] <jedimark> Drakeson: probably not 12 yet.
[02:10] <aftertaf> yep
[02:10] <tucoz> thanks
[02:11] <Drakeson> so how can I roll back to 11 or even 2.6.10?
[02:11] <aftertaf> auto suspend if idle.....
[02:11] <Drakeson> or should i compile it?
[02:11] <tucoz> ah, cool. Thanks guys. 
[02:11] <tucoz> bye
[02:11] <aftertaf> Drakeson:  look in synaptic/kynaptc see if they are available....
[02:11] <jedimark> Drakeson: are you running Breezy?
[02:11] <Drakeson> yep
[02:12] <Drakeson> oh! how silly of me! they where there and I didn't see them!
[02:13] <Drakeson> in repos I mean
[02:13] <jedimark> Anyone else run flightgear?
[02:14] <jedimark> Mines freezing up randomly, and uses 99% on the xorg process.. have to ssh in and kill X.
[02:19] <aftertaf> Drakeson:  hehe :) np
[02:40] <buz> will we see some (not official, i know that) packages of Xorg 6.9 or 7.0 betas?
[02:52] <knubbe> Anyone who got trouble with the network after the last days updates? My eth1, which is a wireless card, stopped working when i updated and rebooted. 
[03:15] <cyne> hi
[03:16] <_joe_> hi
[03:17] <cyne> i just installed nvidia-glx package, it says it is "Nvidia Binary XFree864.x/X.Org driver"
[03:17] <cyne> so how do i enable it?
[03:17] <cyne> do i just make "nvidia-glx" my driver in xorg.conf ?
[03:20] <aftertaf> nvidia glx package?
[03:20] <cyne> aftertaf: yes
[03:20] <CaiN_SA> erm
[03:20] <cyne> "nvidia-glx"
[03:20] <aftertaf> thought just nvidia in xorg did it fine when restriced was installed
[03:20] <CaiN_SA> by your screencard driver 
[03:20] <CaiN_SA> there is : Driver "somethig"
[03:20] <cyne> hey?
[03:20] <CaiN_SA> make it Driver "nvidia"
[03:21] <CaiN_SA> or easy way :
[03:21] <CaiN_SA> go to console
[03:21] <CaiN_SA> and type :
[03:21] <cyne> CaiN_SA: i tried that, it said nvidia not found
[03:21] <CaiN_SA> well then the nvidia driver for x isnt installed
[03:21] <aftertaf> shit i cant check what packages i have cos im at work ...
[03:22] <CaiN_SA> lol
[03:22] <nalioth> aftertaf: tsk tsk, openssh server is your friend
[03:22] <CaiN_SA> cyne, is this breezy ?
[03:22] <aftertaf> nalioth:  it would be but i dont know how thru the firewall......
[03:22] <nalioth> aftertaf: which firewall?
[03:23] <aftertaf> and if i left the pc on linux all night and all day, my missus wouldnt be happy ...
[03:23] <aftertaf> nalioth:  the proxy/firewall at work. no means out except tunnel, and i dont know how to.
[03:23] <nalioth> aftertaf: qemu
[03:23] <nalioth> aftertaf: qemu for the missus
[03:24] <cyne> CaiN_SA: yes, breezy
[03:24] <aftertaf> nalioth:  you mean, qemu and install a virtual windows for her?
[03:24] <CaiN_SA> i know there are problems in breezt
[03:24] <CaiN_SA> wiff nvidia
[03:24] <cyne> damn
[03:25] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  again? argh. worked at home lately no pb.....
[03:25] <cyne> what is nvidia-glx ?
[03:26] <cyne> maybe that's it
[03:26] <aftertaf> cyne:  To enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[03:26] <aftertaf> with nvidia-glx
[03:26] <nalioth> aftertaf: nothing virtual about qemu
[03:26] <cyne> thanks
[03:27] <aftertaf> so. i can install qemu and with it, install windows from within linux?
[03:27] <aftertaf> or did i lose the plot 5 mins ago? :)
[03:28] <nalioth> aftertaf: qemu divvys out one cpu cycle for linux, and one for the guest OS (windows)
[03:29] <aftertaf> so from linux i can boot and run windows that is installed already?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:32] <aftertaf> thats quite sexy, i must say
[03:32] <aftertaf> :)
[03:34] <cyne> well that command worked aftertaf 
[03:34] <cyne> now it says my driver is "nvidia"
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: thats linux :)
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> linux=lilo or grub ;)
[03:35] <aftertaf> flippin well is!
[03:35] <aftertaf> fancy as a bag of , er, i dunno...
[03:35] <aftertaf> fancy things
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :D
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: good (if you want nvidia)
[03:36] <nalioth> aftertaf: fancy as a bag if Video Ipods?
[03:36] <aftertaf> that would be fancy :)
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: fancy as a bag of things that dont start with i more like it ;)
[03:36] <aftertaf> lool Kamping_Kaiser (if you want nvidia)
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> frew and far between
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:38] <cyne> !uboto kernel headers
[03:38] <ubotu> cyne: Are you smoking crack?
[03:38] <cyne> !uboto tell me about kernel headers
[03:38] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, cyne
[03:38] <aftertaf> looooooool
[03:38] <cyne> !uboto tell me how to compile kernel headers
[03:38] <ubotu> cyne: What?
[03:38] <cyne> :(
[03:38] <aftertaf> !kernel-headers
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:38] <ubotu> aftertaf: Are you on ritalin?
[03:38] <aftertaf> yes
[03:38] <nalioth> cyne: check this URL and quit !fishing please
[03:38] <nalioth> !ubotu
[03:38] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:39] <cyne> i'm sorry
[03:39] <ubuntu> has anybody tried hamachi?
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) be glad you only had nalioth growling :D in other places you get eaten alive :}
[03:40] <cyne> i wasn't fishing, i was trying to get him to answer me
[03:40] <aftertaf> lol
[03:40] <cyne> :(
[03:40] <Tm_T> =)
[03:41] <nalioth> i wish ubotu were a real AI, plumbed into googles backend, but he isnt
[03:41] <cyne> aftertaf: do you know what the linux-headers are for?
[03:41] <cyne> i have a feeling that the headers are supposed to be symlinked into /usr/src/linux somewhere but i don't know where
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> not quite
[03:42] <cyne> how do i compile them?
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> the kernel is ln-s d to /usr/src/linux
[03:42] <cyne> same as usual? ./configure and make?
[03:42] <aftertaf> cyne:  no idea :)
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, im trolling the ubuntu docs for things i think are errors... not helping here much ;)
[03:45] <aftertaf> troll :)
[03:45] <aftertaf> i'm being pointless and going for a cigarette.....
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. thats not pointless :o
[03:46] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:46] <aftertaf> watch me...... ;)
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a legit way to save the world from a few more grams of tobacco
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> every one counts :P
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ aftertaf's quit
[04:22] <kaouete> yo
[04:26] <kaouete> will kubuntu breezy released the 13th october like ubuntu ?
[04:26] <drom1n4d0> need help smeone
[04:26] <sproingie> i imagine so.  i'm running it now
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaouete: i expect so
[04:27] <sproingie> i think kubuntu's been ready longer than ubuntu
[04:27] <sproingie> the kde stuff anyway
[04:27] <kaouete> ok :] 
[04:27] <kaouete> thanks
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaouete: for hoary we were waiting for ubuntu to be ready to change our topic to say 'released'
[04:27] <drom1n4d0> im have problem with the comands of konsole in kubuntu?
[04:27] <nalioth> drom1n4d0: ask the question
[04:28] <drom1n4d0> mount: no foi possvel localizar /dev/hda1 em /etc/fstab ou /etc/mtab
[04:28] <kaouete> Kamping_Kaiser: so, for you it is already released :] 
[04:28] <drom1n4d0> dont possible locate
[04:28] <drom1n4d0> and this
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> kaouete: lol. funny thing isi dont use kde, but i was waiting here with folk for kubuntu to go stable :D
[04:28] <kaouete> krkr
[04:28] <kaouete> ok ^^
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:29] <kaouete> i think i will wait anyway for "released" version
[04:29] <sproingie> golly i hope network-manager doesn't become part of kubuntu
[04:29] <sproingie> it screwed up my resolv.conf ... not to mention that it requires something like three more daemons running
[04:30] <sproingie> not the least of which is bind9  talk about bloat
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: at this stage i would expect it to be in
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> oooo
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> its midnight
[04:30] <sproingie> shows as recommended.  far as i know it has no kde front end
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> 7 days to go :D
[04:31] <kaouete> hehe
[04:31] <sproingie> i'm normally not one to complain about bloat, but ubuntu's throwing in the kitchen sink
[04:31] <sproingie> seriously, bind9?  not a caching only dns server?
[04:31] <sproingie> that's seriously sloppy work
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> sproingie: hte idea of ubuntu is to avoid bloat, so they should avoid it
[04:32] <buz> i rather have bind9 as cache then djb stuff
[04:32] <buz> besides nobody knows what license dnscache actually has
[04:34] <sproingie> i'm not a fan of djb's stuff either
[04:34] <sproingie> but there are alternatives to bind9
[04:34] <buz> like?
[04:34] <buz> pdns doesnt really recurse
[04:37] <sproingie> that's largely what i was going to mention.  i thought fbsd has one that isn't bind 
[04:40] <sproingie> maybe bind9 runs lean when it's in a cache-only configuration
[04:40] <sproingie> it certainly doesn't when the config is of any reasonable size
[04:43] <buz> fbsd4 has bind8
[04:43] <sproingie> djbdns would actually be good if djb wasn't such a controlling prick
[04:43] <buz> pdns rocks for authoritative
[04:43] <buz> but pretty much sucks for recursing
[04:43] <sproingie> i think we're thinking of different pdns's
[04:44] <buz> powerdns.org
[04:44] <buz> or .com
[04:44] <sproingie> oh i was thinking of something called "proxy dns"
[04:45] <sproingie> aka pdnsd
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell `6og about nvidia
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell adhoc about nvidia
[04:46] <sproingie> powerdns is definitely meant to be on the receiving end of a dns query.  much bigger footprint than bind
[04:47] <buz> yes
[04:47] <buz> but very very flexible
[04:47] <sproingie> i eval'd it a long time ago in my dotcom days, deemed it to be massive overkill 
[04:47] <sproingie> probably good for a smal isp
[04:47] <sproingie> or web shop
[04:47] <buz> i think even some big domregs use it now
[04:47] <sproingie> not bad
[04:47] <sproingie> pdnsd is on the other end.  far as i know, it *only* recurses
[04:48] <stefan_> can someone help me. I got kicked aou from #ubuntoforums because of a misstake and now I can't find my way back
[04:48] <sproingie> well probably a little more.  meant to be cache-only
[04:48] <buz> the whole point of powerdns is to put data in a db
[04:48] <buz> much easier to maintain than zonefile horror
[04:48] <sproingie> stefan_: did you flood there too?
[04:48] <stefan_> can I search for users somewhere?
[04:48] <nalioth> stefan_: type /j #ubuntuforums
[04:48] <stefan_> yes I did
[04:49] <nalioth> stefan_: i believe you want /j #ubuntu
[04:49] <sproingie> stefan_: the ban lasts an hour tops, if that.
[04:49] <buz> http://powerdns.com/en/testimonials.aspx
[04:49] <stefan_> sproingie: ok that explains 
[04:49] <buz> but wtf they host it on a nt machine i dont underrstand
[04:49] <stefan_> sproingie: it realy was I misstake. my first time here. I'm a bit lost
[04:50] <sproingie> stefan_: no hard feelings.  it's more a self-defense mechanism of the channel.  nalioth is the guy who booted ya, so you're probably fine to come back :)
[04:52] <dipnlik> hi all. I need to print using a epson c85 printer that is installed on a winxp machine on the network. how can I add it?
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> dipnlik: is it shared already?
[04:57] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> Hey. Can anyone tell me how I can get my mousewheel working? I googled around a bit and all I found is something about adding a line to xorg.conf, which I already have
[04:57] <Rogue_Jedi_Zero> The line, I mean
[04:57] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser: yes it is
[04:58] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser: i added and started a service on the xp machine, something like unix printing services
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> dipnlik: then it should be a network printer (not sure where kde stores its printer setup tool though)
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> try k => system
[04:59] <BlankB> k -> utilities -> printing manager is another way.
[05:01] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser, BlankB, from there i try to add a printer, then what?
[05:02] <dipnlik> i tried smb shared printer but it didn't list my printer
[05:02] <dipnlik> lists epson stylus until c84 but not c85 :(
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> dipnlik: try a c84
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> on my mates MFD we just used a generic cannon driver and it printed fine over the network
[05:03] <BlankB> dipnlik: didnt you say you had installed something on xp like unix printing services. What was that?
[05:03] <McScruff> lo, just reinstalled breezy, and it cant play mp3's :O
[05:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell McScruff about mp3
[05:03] <drom1n4d0> neend help 
[05:03] <nikkia> Hmmmm
[05:03] <drom1n4d0> my question is
[05:04] <nikkia> 'Heart Pounding horror from 4.99 ....   Bambi 4.99'
[05:04] <dipnlik> BlankB: following a printing tutorial, it said to install that, then add lcp://server/printer using localhost:631, but it didn't work here
[05:04] <nikkia> i may be old fashioned, but i prefer my horror dvds a bit scarier than that
[05:04] <nalioth> nikkia: good day
[05:04] <drom1n4d0> how i mount the disk for watch the files of my windows?
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol nikkia
[05:04] <nikkia> nalioth: is it? i hadn't noticed :/
[05:04] <BlankB> dipnlik: which printing tutorial did you follow?
[05:05] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm quite serious, its the first title in their 'heart pounding horror' list *shrug*
[05:05] <nalioth> nikkia: it's not monday
[05:05] <nikkia> nalioth: isn't it? i wouldn't know, don't keep track much these days
[05:05] <dipnlik> BlankB: so i tried to add the printer using kde, then remote lpd queue, and it started printing, but it printed just the text from the ps text file
[05:05] <nalioth> nikkia: be assured, it isnt monday
[05:06] <BlankB> dipnlik: that is at least a start. you just have to get the driver right now.
[05:06] <McScruff> ty
[05:06] <nalioth> ubotu: tell drom1n4d0 about windowsdrives
[05:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, that didn't work
[05:28] <dipnlik> just downloaded opera, it is a .deb file, how do I install it?
[05:28] <seth_k> in CLI: sudo dpkg -i /path/to/the.deb
[05:30] <dipnlik> thanks seth_k 
[05:31] <stupendo5> in kubuntu, you should be able to right-click the .deb, and install it through a menu there
[05:31] <stupendo5> I think it's kubuntu > Install Package
[05:31] <stupendo5> possibly
[05:31] <seth_k> stupendo5, only in Breezy
[05:31] <stupendo5> oh
[05:31] <stupendo5> I see
[05:31] <seth_k> stupendo5, that's not in Hoary
[05:31] <stupendo5> nice feature, though
[05:32] <dipnlik> well, not here, but it would be a tremendous idea
[05:32] <philipacamaniac> I had made another version that put it on the Action Menu, rather than "Kubuntu Package Menu", but the Action Menu version didn't make into breezy for some reason
[05:33] <philipacamaniac> I was being dumb when I originally put it on "Kubuntu Package menu", but that's just me
[05:34] <stupendo5> I was wondering, what progress is being made with ease-of-installation in general related to linux? What's the current favorite solution, autopackage?
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> stupendo5: what do you mean by ease of install?
[05:34] <philipacamaniac> Klik is getting the most attention currently
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> packages or inital intall?
[05:35] <stupendo5> well, I hate to say it this way, but "like windows"
[05:35] <stupendo5> where you have one file that's an installer normally
[05:35] <philipacamaniac> Adept/Synaptic seem to work pretty darn well
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think kde have a tool to install stand alone debs. gnome dont
[05:35] <stupendo5> I see a problem with all the different window managers, and expecting that when you install something, it will be on the main menu. btw, is there any universal name for the menu, like "start menu"?
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> the debian way to install packages is not to download indiviula files if possible
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> stupendo5: menu
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> menu is the debian menu. it has every program installed (well, almost)
[05:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *sobs* Still no mouse wheel
[05:37] <philipacamaniac> KMenu
[05:37] <dipnlik> ease of install = clicking a .deb file and kde doing dpkg -i , not opening with ark
[05:37] <stupendo5> the debian way seems fine, but of course other dists don't work well with it. And developers don't want to create 15 installers for different dists
[05:37] <drom1n4d0> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:37] <drom1n4d0> what problem is??
[05:37] <stupendo5> dipnlik, that seems good
[05:38] <seth_k> drom1n4d0, close synaptic / kynaptic
[05:38] <TokenBad> umm....question....I just did the nvidia graphics and rebooted...
[05:38] <stupendo5> he closed the wrong program...
[05:38] <TokenBad> but now none of the open gl stuff works at all
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> (not at you TokenBad)
[05:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How in the bloody blue blazes does one enable the mousewheel?
[05:39] <TokenBad> can someone tell me why?
[05:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've tried everything in xorg.conf
[05:39] <TokenBad> Rogue_Jedi_X?
[05:39] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: pastebin your xorg.conf
[05:39] <Tm_T> aaah!
[05:39] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: stop using colours
[05:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: pastebin?
[05:40] <philipacamaniac> sorry
[05:40] <Tm_T> :/
[05:40] <philipacamaniac> pastebin.com
[05:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, OK. Just a sec
[05:40] <stupendo5> philipacamaniac, how often do you get that question?
[05:40] <philipacamaniac> which?
[05:40] <stupendo5> what's pastebin?
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, we should topic it
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[05:41] <philipacamaniac> not terribly often. but yeah it should topic'd
[05:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: http://pastebin.com/383909
[05:41] <Tm_T> kubuntu.pastebin.com !
[05:42] <philipacamaniac> really?
[05:42] <TokenBad> anyone know why the nvidia graphics not working?
[05:42] <Tm_T> TokenBad: breezy & k7 kernel?
[05:42] <Tm_T> TokenBad: update! ;)
[05:43] <TokenBad> I just installed....
[05:43] <TokenBad> did update
[05:43] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: your mouse config is almost identical to mine (which is working)
[05:43] <Tm_T> and upgrade?
[05:43] <TokenBad> said everything was up to day
[05:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:43] <Tm_T> TokenBad: and you have installed nvidia stuff?
[05:44] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: one minor difference - take out the "Buttons" "5" and see what that does
[05:44] <stupendo5> TokenBad, explain. what's happening? do you get the nvidia logo?
[05:44] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: also, what make and model of mouse?
[05:44] <TokenBad> I did like the one side said
[05:44] <TokenBad> did the apt-get of
[05:44] <TokenBad> um
[05:44] <TokenBad> just a sec
[05:45] <TokenBad> nvidia-glx
[05:45] <TokenBad> nvidia-glx-dev
[05:45] <TokenBad> nvidia-settings
[05:45] <TokenBad> and rebooted
[05:45] <stupendo5> but if I remember right, you also have to change your xorg.conf
[05:45] <Tm_T> yes
[05:45] <seth_k> actually
[05:45] <seth_k> you can just do "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[05:46] <seth_k> and it will change your xorg.conf for you
[05:46] <TokenBad> seth_k, ok will do that next
[05:46] <stupendo5> oh, that's nice
[05:46] <philipacamaniac> who can edit topic? kubuntu.pastebin.com should have been there 6 months ago.
[05:46] <stupendo5> is that recent, or has that been there a while?
[05:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: The make is Logitech and I'm googling for the model name now. It's an old one
[05:46] <seth_k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:46] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: it was there
[05:46] <seth_k> TokenBad, that's the definitive instructionset
[05:47] <TokenBad> well right now
[05:47] <TokenBad> got the apt-get upgrade going
[05:47] <TokenBad> interesting how kynaptic
[05:47] <TokenBad> said everything was up to date
[05:47] <TokenBad> but this is upgrading stuff
[05:47] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: i have a Logitech USB with 2 buttons and a scroll wheel, and it receives love from Hoary and Breezy (ie, it works)
[05:48] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: wait
[05:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: Waiting... I was just about to restart X too
[05:48] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: Yeah it works, just making sure
[05:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: Ctrl+Alt+Del, right?
[05:49] <philipacamaniac> err, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[05:49] <philipacamaniac> to restart X
[05:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, right
[05:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I actually wrote "Del" on impulse
[05:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Still nothing
[05:51] <philipacamaniac> Are you running Breezy or Hoary?
[05:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hoary
[05:54] <philipacamaniac> Rogue_Jedi_X: You might try this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471
[05:54] <philipacamaniac> it is for Logitech mice, and shows you a new entry for xorg.conf
[05:54] <philipacamaniac> using the evdev driver rather than "mice"
[05:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> philipacamaniac: Thanks, I'll check it out now
[05:56] <BlankB> is there a gui x config editor for kubuntu?
[05:57] <philipacamaniac> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:57] <BlankB> but nothing that runs under X huh?
[05:57] <philipacamaniac> there are ATI and NVidia specific control panels
[05:57] <philipacamaniac> but no, not generic X config
[05:58] <philipacamaniac> at least, not that I know of
[05:58] <Tm_T> and how that gui does it any better?
[05:58] <BlankB> it wouldnt do any better but it would make things more consistent.
[05:58] <skaman> hi guys how can i start & stop Cupsd from a terminal?
[05:59] <BlankB> do: /etc/init.d/cupsys stop ; /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[05:59] <skaman> thnx
[06:00] <_kkathman> Good morning or whatever time it is for you :)
[06:00] <_kkathman> Tm_T:  o/
[06:03] <TokenBad> ok...another question
[06:03] <TokenBad> is there much difference between mounting a drive in kubuntu and ubuntu?
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> not in a terminal
[06:05] <TokenBad> what about via fstab?
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> exactly the same
[06:06] <_kkathman> TokenBad: no difference whatsoever...kubuntu is only the GUI interface version of ubuntu
[06:06] <philipacamaniac> The only difference is accessing the drive in the GUI - For it ubuntu it shows up in Places. For Kubuntu, it shows up in Media:/
[06:06] <_kkathman> right
[06:06] <_kkathman> hey philipacamaniac  :)
[06:06] <skaman> and you now haw can I enable cups managing via Web?
[06:06] <skaman> Kde has some problems
[06:07] <Tm_T> _kkathman: o/ \o/
[06:07] <_kkathman> yo Tm_T  :)
[06:07] <Tm_T> what's up?
[06:07] <_kkathman> nothing much.. just trying to find some reading resource on breezy so I can get a decent background on whats changed
[06:08] <_kkathman> and what obstacles I may encounter when I migrate in a week or so
[06:08] <_kkathman> do you have any suggestions on documents?
[06:09] <_kkathman> also Im trying to figure out why I cant print to a network printer :(
[06:11] <skaman> Cups is problematic
[06:11] <philipacamaniac> _kkathman: tcp or smb protocol
[06:11] <skaman> i had to edit by hand my cupsd.conf
[06:12] <skaman> :S
[06:12] <_kkathman> philipacamaniac: only thing I have done so far is go to the Control Center Wizard
[06:12] <_kkathman> I havent tried cups yet
[06:12] <_kkathman> my printer is on my central Winbox but same workgroup
[06:12] <skaman> i usa cups coz i need to share the linux printer with a mac
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> I mean, is the networked printer running from a printer server directly or from a share on a windows machine
[06:13] <_kkathman> share on a win machine
[06:13] <_kkathman> so I should probably use cups
[06:13] <_kkathman> but was trying TCP first
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> the kde print daemon uses cups
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> you shouldn't need to edit any conf files
[06:14] <philipacamaniac> Do the add printer wizard, and select and SMB printer
[06:14] <philipacamaniac> is the printer on winxp pro, winxp home, or win9x
[06:16] <_kkathman> winxp... I got the driver installed ok I think, but when it attempts to print a test page...nothing happens
[06:16] <_kkathman> I have a shared HP842C and there seems to be several different drivers
[06:17] <_kkathman> so I chose the first one I saw
[06:17] <philipacamaniac> but, Kubuntu seems to be at least detecting the printer properly, right?
[06:17] <_kkathman> I typed in the printer and host
[06:17] <worstenboy> anybody here that can point me to a noob tutorial for ATI drivers ? i really need it :)
[06:18] <_kkathman> not sure its communicating on the port
[06:18] <_kkathman> which could be the problem
[06:18] <philipacamaniac> do you need to enter in a username/password, maybe?
[06:18] <_kkathman> But YES, it did find the printer
[06:19] <philipacamaniac> ok
[06:19] <philipacamaniac> try every available driver then
[06:25] <TokenBad> for installing all the multimedia codecs and stuff
[06:25] <TokenBad> is still the guide for that ubuntuguide?
[06:26] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats first
[06:26] <philipacamaniac> the ubuntuguide points to old broken Backports repositories
[06:26] <philipacamaniac> if that wikpage doesn't work, I'll show you how to get w32codecs
[06:28] <marklehmann> I've searched for this FAQ and must be looking in the wrong place.  What is the schedule for the Breezy release?  Is there a date, or it is based on when the test results indicate that the release candidate has the proper quality?
[06:28] <philipacamaniac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[06:30] <philipacamaniac> it will be released on the scheduled October 13th date, assuming there aren't any show-stopper bugs
[06:30] <marklehmann> Ah.  Thank you.  Does this apply for Kubuntu as well?
[06:31] <philipacamaniac> Yes, and Edubuntu
[06:31] <marklehmann> Nice.
[06:31] <marklehmann> Thank you.
[06:31] <philipacamaniac> if you're wondering, Kubuntu Breezy won't ship with KDE 3.5
[06:31] <philipacamaniac> but the packages will be made available for download when it is released
[06:32] <TokenBad> when I did gedit...it says that command not found
[06:33] <kurtbec> anyone else notice that gl screensavers under KDE don't seem to work properly?
[06:33] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: in place of gedit, use kate
[06:33] <kurtbec> this is in the breezy preview by the way.
[06:34] <humbolt> how can I change the resolution of the console?
[06:34] <philipacamaniac> kurtbec: I had a problem with the KDE gl screensavers, but not non-KDE gl screensavers. that was in hoary.
[06:35] <spiral> hi
[06:35] <kurtbec> philipacamaniac:  I'm wondering if kdebase is compiled without opengl support by default.
[06:35] <marklehmann> kurtbec: Which console?  The boot up text console, or the X-windows Konsole?
[06:36] <skaman> how can I share my linux printer?
[06:36] <kurtbec> If run them by themselves they look just fine, but if I set them up under kcontrol they look like they are blinking.
[06:36] <kurtbec> marklehmann: X windows
[06:37] <philipacamaniac> actually I marklehmann is referring to humbolt's question
[06:37] <philipacamaniac> "I think"
[06:37] <kurtbec> that would make more sense
[06:38] <marklehmann> oops, sorrry, humbolt are you using the boot up text console, or the X-windows Konsole?
[06:39] <TokenBad> sudo apt-get install totem-xine gstreamer0.8-misc gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse
[06:39] <TokenBad> don't need that for kubuntu right?
[06:40] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad do kaffeine-xine rather than totem-xone
[06:40] <philipacamaniac> xine
[06:40] <TokenBad> ok what about gstreamer?
[06:40] <TokenBad> cause it says its not there either
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> you'll need multiverse and universe enabled, but I would install them
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> kaffeine and amarok use gstreamer by default in breezy
[06:42] <TokenBad> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:42] <TokenBad> E: Couldn't find package kaffeine-xine
[06:42] <philipacamaniac> those packages should make kaffeine and amarok play mp3s and more
[06:42] <philipacamaniac> hold on
[06:42] <TokenBad> says its not there
[06:42] <TokenBad> and thats with the stuff enabled
[06:44] <philipacamaniac> hoary or breezy
[06:44] <TokenBad> hoary I think
[06:44] <TokenBad> but not sure
[06:44] <philipacamaniac> probably hoary then
[06:45] <philipacamaniac> you don't need kaffeine-xine, then, you've already got it basically
[06:45] <TokenBad> ok
[06:45] <TokenBad> says I don't have a file
[06:45] <TokenBad> um
[06:45] <TokenBad> libdvdcss
[06:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell TokenBad about dvd
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> ubuto: !tell dvd
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> whoops
[06:46] <TokenBad> heheh
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> ubotu: !tell dvd
[06:46] <ubotu> philipacamaniac: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:47] <nalioth> philipacamaniac: what do you want?
[06:47] <TokenBad> !hoary-extras
[06:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> DON'T DO THAT
[06:47] <TokenBad> thats what the bot said to do
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> DON'T DO THAT
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> that Backports mirror will break your system
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> stupid bot
[06:47] <TokenBad> well then don't have have the bot tell me that
[06:47] <TokenBad> heheh
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> rofl
[06:47] <marklehmann> I have CodeWeavers and it runs Wine nicely on Kubuntu.  Is there a package for Kubuntu that offers the easy installation of I.E. and Windows Media Player?  I prefer to avoid both those products but find I'm required to use them occasiionally.
[06:48] <nalioth> TokenBad: enable that link and get your libdvdcss stuff, then disable the repo
[06:48] <philipacamaniac> nalioth: isn't there a different repository somewhere?
[06:48] <nalioth> philipacamaniac: the repos above is 'extras' not 'backports'
[06:49] <TokenBad> ah ok
[06:49] <philipacamaniac> I see
[06:51] <philipacamaniac> TokenBad: I would ask around first before doing that, but I suppose getting just libdvdcss can't hurt
[06:51] <nalioth> TokenBad: and then disable the repo from further use
[06:55] <ArthurB> Hi, whenever I download files to the desktop, they appear under the ~/Desktop/ directory when listed from a console, but not as icons on the desktop... until I log off  and log on again
[06:56] <nalioth> ArthurB: click on your desktop
[06:58] <Blissex> ArthurB: BTW, this kind of questions are more like pure #KDE questions, as they are not really Kubuntu specific...
[07:14] <Drakeson> Blissex: isn't it because of that the desktop doesn't get refreshed? this is not kde-pure question actually, this still happens with some distros. e.g fedora core 3 !
[07:15] <Drakeson> fortunately I hadn't have this problem in kubuntu. so that's strange someone has
[07:17] <Blissex> Drakeson: well, it most likely depends from some kernel stuff called 'dnotify' or 'inotify' and a daemon called 'fam' or 'gamin'.
[07:17] <Blissex> Drakeson: now some distros set those up by default and some not. But notification of changes is a problem that is really about KDE...
[07:32] <ArthurB> nalioth: ur I did
[07:41] <humbolt> how can I get my bootsplash+console run at 1024x768 or 1280x800?
[07:43] <whoiam> hello Phobos 
[07:43] <Phobos> hey
[07:53] <zyn> mmmm... 1280x800
[07:54] <apokryphos> widescreen?
[07:54] <apokryphos> Is it good?
[07:55] <zyn> i like it
[07:55] <zyn> and yes, widescreen
[07:57] <zyn> http://global.acer.com/products/notebook/tm3000.htm
[08:01] <apokryphos> very  nice =)
[08:04] <zyn> thanks...
[08:08] <Blissex> I have put a list of ''unusuall'' laptop modes here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/ note it is untested, but should work
[08:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:29] <philipacamaniac> I love Konversation, and I hate Trillian.
[08:30] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: congratulations
[08:30] <zyn> trillian?
[08:30] <apokryphos> a multi-protocol IM client for Windows
[08:30] <philipacamaniac> windows kopete wannabe :)
[08:30] <hussam> philipacamaniac: Trillian is an irc client?
[08:30] <buz> windows multi im client
[08:30] <buz> it claims to be
[08:30] <zyn> ah
[08:30] <buz> when in reality, the support is about as bad as in kopete
[08:31] <philipacamaniac> yea, it does IRC, and that is how I have to get on when I'm on my work laptop)
[08:31] <Knowerrors> Hey yall, thinking of installing kubuntu, am wondering if it has an auto updater and program manager similar to unbuntu's?
[08:31] <Tm_T> Knowerrors: adept :)
[08:31] <nalioth> Knowerrors: want to know a secret?
[08:31] <hussam> Tm_T: adept auto updates?
[08:32] <Tm_T> no
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> hussam: yep
[08:32] <nalioth> (k)ubuntu are the same thing
[08:32] <Knowerrors> well nalioth , Ive heard conflicting reports on them being the "same"
[08:32] <Tm_T> hussam: autoupdate is imho as good idea as autopilot in a car
[08:32] <hussam> Tm_T: agreed
[08:33] <Knowerrors> thats why I came in here, plus, the ubuntu irc is too dang crouded
[08:33] <apokryphos> Not really
[08:33] <apokryphos> auto-update is great for security fixes
[08:33] <Knowerrors> right
[08:33] <Knowerrors> thats why I wanted it, and this is a compute for my folks, so want them to be updated without alot of training
[08:33] <apokryphos> security fixes are rare though
[08:34] <philipacamaniac> Knowerrors: they are the same - ubuntu = ubuntubase with gnome desktop / kubuntu = ubuntubase with kde desktop
[08:34] <nalioth> Knowerrors: the only difference tween ubuntu and kubuntu is gnome and kde
[08:34] <mornfall> philipacamaniac: that's hardly "the same"
[08:34] <Knowerrors> ok, so the specialized ubuntu updater and program manager are in kubuntu too then?
[08:34] <Tm_T> Knowerrors: yes you can use it
[08:34] <Knowerrors> nice
[08:34] <apokryphos> Knowerrors: no, it just means that you can get it for [K] ubuntu
[08:35] <mornfall> philipacamaniac: fedora and ubuntu are the same, it's the linux kernel + gnu + ubuntu stuff vs linux kernel + gnu + fedora stuff
[08:35] <hussam> apokryphos: maybe just some kde system tray applet that periodically checks for updates and if it finds any, it prompt you to run adept or kynaptic or synaptic or something.
[08:35] <apokryphos> there isn't one, but I know what you mean
[08:35] <mornfall> hussam: there is no such thing as of now
[08:35] <Knowerrors> so no autoupdate?
[08:35] <mornfall> it'll be there when i get around to write it
[08:35] <mornfall> no, no autoupdate
[08:35] <mornfall> but really, just make a cronjob
[08:35] <apokryphos> mornfall: now that's just silly :P
[08:36] <apokryphos> You know what he meant 8)
[08:36] <mornfall> apokryphos: yes, and it's almost exactly the same what i meant
[08:36] <apokryphos> nope
[08:36] <mornfall> apokryphos: he says it's same... well, it's not
[08:37] <mornfall> apokryphos: common base != identical
[08:37] <Knowerrors> my other question: are any of the ubuntu repos available as iso downloads, like extras cds?
[08:37] <apokryphos> mornfall: obviously; that was just failing terminology; the concept was just right.
[08:37] <mornfall> apokryphos: "they are the same" is hardly in any way ambiguous
[08:37] <philipacamaniac> mornfall: they're the same, so there :P
[08:38] <apokryphos> mornfall: sorry to hear that you didn't read the full post then
[08:38] <zyn> s,install,installed,
[08:38] <mornfall> apokryphos: hmm?
[08:38] <ubuntu> hi all
[08:38] <apokryphos> zyn: what don't you like about it?
[08:38] <apokryphos> it beats Kynaptic hands down at least :P
[08:38] <mornfall> apokryphos: rest of the post was a wrong explanation for why the person thinks the statement that they are the same holds
[08:39] <zyn> apokryphos: it doesn't give me the option to install new things like kynaptic
[08:39] <zyn> i can't remove stuff
[08:39] <zyn> of course, kynaptic isn't much better, imho
[08:39] <mornfall> apokryphos: (a different explanation why it's "the same" could actually hold, but definitely not this one)
[08:40] <apokryphos> mornfall: heh, if you really want to read it like that. Not that it really matters, but palpably the latter part of the sentence can just serve to delineate the actual thoughts of the person
[08:40] <zyn> but then again, i've only been using it for about a week (i'm a hardened freebsd user normally)
[08:40] <Knowerrors> Im stuck on dialup and need a way to download repos and update using a windows machine on broadband...
[08:41] <mornfall> Knowerrors: apt-zip comes to mind
[08:41] <zyn> synaptic on the other hand... very nice tool...
[08:41] <mornfall> zyn: how does it not give you the option to install new things?
[08:41] <mornfall> i am now completely and totally confused
[08:42] <apokryphos> zyn: worth trying out is KPackage, though I tend to always return to the command-line
[08:42] <Knowerrors> not sure if apt-zip works on winxp though
[08:42] <zyn> mornfall: adept will only allow you to update already installed packages
[08:42] <apokryphos> zyn: how do you plan on updating packages that aren't installed exactly? :P
[08:42] <mornfall> Knowerrors: apt-zip gives you a list of urls
[08:42] <zyn> apokryphos: i've tried kpackage on freebsd before... i'll never make that mistake again, though :)
[08:42] <apokryphos> zyn: how long ago?
[08:43] <mornfall> kpackage is ... interesting
[08:43] <mornfall> zyn: are you sure you aren't running the updater only?
[08:43] <hussam> zyn: adept will also let you install new packages
[08:43] <zyn> perhaps i am only running the updater
[08:43] <mornfall> zyn: run the adept manager, silly dude ;-)
[08:43] <mornfall> zyn: there's lots more to adept than the updater
[08:44] <zyn> adept manager isn't a very descriptive name :)
[08:44] <philipacamaniac> same - (adj) describes when two desktop projects are essentially equal in value, function and/or purpose
[08:44] <apokryphos> zyn: anyhow, I'd expect you tried it quite some time ago if you found it that bad; it's definitely worth trying out now
[08:44] <philipacamaniac> :) I don't know what definition of same you were using :)
[08:44] <zyn> apokryphos: kpackage you mean? yes, it's been a while
[08:44] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: they're clearly not aiming for the same value/purpose :P
[08:45] <apokryphos> zyn: sudo aptitude install kpackage and try it out then :P
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> ubuntu : gnome users :: kubuntu : kde users
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> I suppose I'll shutup now :)
[08:45] <apokryphos> exactly. Perhaps you've missed all the sacred/holy wars of the time :D
[08:46] <philipacamaniac> yes I believe I was in a hole
[08:46] <zyn> hmm
[08:46] <zyn> ahh
[08:47] <mornfall> zyn: hmm, text under icons for toolbars and bigger icons please ;-)
[08:47] <zyn> mis-labeled, if you ask me
[08:47] <hussam> zyn: are you on hoary or breezy?
[08:47] <zyn> breezy
[08:47] <mornfall> there's no adept on hoary
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> zyn: my brother had the same problem ("where's apply??")
[08:48] <mornfall> well, only external, and that's... old
[08:48] <aseigo> "what do you run?" "kubuntu hoary" "whorey?"
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> aseigo: exactly why I hesitated putting on some lab computers here at work
[08:48] <mornfall> "what do you run?" "debian sid"
[08:49] <hussam> zyn: I find breezy to be much more stable at the moment than hoary was.
[08:49] <zyn> philipacamaniac: i would have been happy if the button said "mark to install" instead
[08:49] <philipacamaniac> better than debian syphallis
[08:49] <philipacamaniac> zyn: good call
[08:49] <zyn> when a button says "install package", and i click on it, i would expect it to install the fucking package
[08:50] <mornfall> zyn: that's a complicated matter, we are in very short supply of fucking packages
[08:50] <zyn> hah
[08:50] <Mose`> hello, somehowe my sound "app" disappeared from the tray? how to bring it back?
[08:50] <heartEye> I cannot run kiten and I don't know why.
[08:50] <hussam> btw, is ubuntu spelled you-boon-too or oo-boon-too ?
[08:50] <mornfall> hussam: s/spelled/pronounced/
[08:51] <crimsun> oo boon too
[08:51] <mornfall> just in case someone would hear me :-))
[08:51] <philipacamaniac> boon over here
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> sounds more African
[08:52] <hussam> crimsun: thank you, been wondering about that since April
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> now, what about you - boon - too
[08:52] <heartEye> How do I figure out what is making kiten not work?
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> of course, that would leave us with que - boon - too
[08:53] <heartEye> I have to learn Japanese on my own in a rather short time and I NEED this program to work.
[08:54] <hussam> philipacamaniac: or koo-boon-too
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> hussam: that's how I say it; que was a joke (not that funny I guess)
[08:54] <hussam> heartEye: is it crashing or just not working properly?
[08:55] <philipacamaniac> heartEye: I'm installing it now to see what's up
[08:55] <philipacamaniac> heartEye: are you running breezy or hoary
[08:56] <heartEye> It's crashing, I guess.  It doesn't even open up a window.
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> heartEye: run it from the command line
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> (from a Konsole)
[08:57] <hussam> philipacamaniac: actually many distros have weird names like SuSE for example. 
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> or Vista
[08:57] <heartEye> There!  It gives me an error message.  ~~~lib.so not found.
[08:57] <heartEye> libkiten.so.1 not found
[08:58] <hussam> philipacamaniac: I know. Vista is a terrible name.
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> heartEye: are you running hoary or breezy?
[08:58] <heartEye> I don't know philipacamaniac .
[08:58] <phoenixbyrd> hey, I'm having a problem getting winex cvs to compile, can I send the error to anyone here who might kno how I can fix this?
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> heartEye: because I just installed it on breezy and am running it fine
[08:59] <heartEye> How do I find out what version I am running philipacamaniac?
[09:00] <heartEye> My Ubuntu version is 5.04 .
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> that's hoary
[09:00] <heartEye> What is Breezy and how do I upgrade?
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> try reinstallling the package - sudo apt-get install kiten
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> Breezy is 5.10, to be released official on Oct 13
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> er, hmm, sudo apt-get install --reinstall kiten
[09:02] <heartEye> What's the most painless way to upgrade to Breezy?
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> hea
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> heartEye: you should probably wait if you are inexperienced until it is officially released, but you would upgrade by changing sources in /etc/apt/sources.lst to breezy and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:04] <brosio> Administrative commands are disabled in the web interface for security reasons. Please use the GNOME CUPS manager (System > Administration > Printing).
[09:04] <hussam> heartEye: change every instance or Hoary to Breezy in /etc/apt/sources and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:04] <brosio> how could i disable this option on cups ?
[09:04] <heartEye> I can wait a week :)
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> hussam: heh
[09:05] <heartEye> Thank you for your help and time.
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> np
[09:06] <hussam> philipacamaniac: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is still needed after upgrade, right?
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> yes pretty sure it is
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> I can't remember what I did just recently
[09:07] <philipacamaniac> it doesn't hurt, anyway
[09:07] <hussam> philipacamaniac: I had to do that after the upgrade. but other than that, the upgrade went extremely smoothly
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> hussam: that's actually good to know. what about old packages you had installed? did you have to upgrade everything?
[09:11] <hussam> philipacamaniac: yes, it upgraded almost everthing. there were some 4 packages that I had to remove first to install the new version.
[09:11] <hussam> philipacamaniac: dist-upgrade did not solve those.
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> hussam: I have splashy on one hoary machine, plus a bunch a self-compiled apps. I nervous.
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> splashy being an early but incompatible version of usplash
[09:13] <hussam> philipacamaniac: yeah, you definitely have to remove splashy first. you may have to recompile you self-compiled packages.
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> I'm sure I will have to recompile. All fine except WINE. the WINE in the Ubuntu repo is not very useful
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> and WINE takes a long time to make
[09:14] <zyn> <- geek... my satelite tv tuner runs linux
[09:15] <buz> philipacamaniac: the wine in breezy aint too bad
[09:15] <philipacamaniac> zyn: that's awesome - but can your linux run a satellite tuner?
[09:15] <zyn> philipacamaniac: yes... it can
[09:15] <philipacamaniac> buz: I couldn't install Office (or IE, which is apparently needed by everything)
[09:15] <hussam> I upgraded the breezy kernel, need to reboot, I'll see you later guys.
[09:15] <buz> IE works for me ;)
[09:16] <buz> with the script from some japanese page
[09:16] <buz> http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html this one
[09:16] <philipacamaniac> maybe I'll try that. how about office, if you have it?
[09:16] <buz> only ever tried office in crossover
[09:16] <buz> office is a piece of sh** anyhow
[09:16] <philipacamaniac> agreed, but this is for someone else who is used to office
[09:17] <zyn> ~ > grep -E "(cpu|clock|machine)" /proc/cpuinfo; uptime
[09:17] <zyn> cpu             : STB04xxx
[09:17] <zyn> clock           : 252MHz
[09:17] <zyn> machine         : Dream Multimedia TV Dreambox
[09:18] <zyn> plb bus clock   : 63MHz
[09:18] <zyn>  21:17:25 up 35 days, 23:38, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
[09:18] <zyn> hah
[09:18] <zyn> Linux dreambox 2.6.9 #3 Fri Feb 18 11:07:49 EST 2005 ppc unknown
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> cool - slow, but cool
[09:18] <zyn> it doesn't need to be fast
[09:19] <zyn> it's got mpeg hardware... so the cpu basically just schedules processes and handles interrupts :)
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> I want to build a mythtv HD recorder box, but I'm still waiting on money to buy the parts
[09:20] <zyn> but i love showing it off... something about having an ethernet cable plugged into the tv just rocks
[09:20] <philipacamaniac> true
[09:20] <philipacamaniac> HD?
[09:20] <zyn> can pause and resume live transmissions and everything... love it :)
[09:20] <zyn> no HD
[09:20] <zyn> i think i get 1 channel in HD format
[09:21] <zyn> but i don't have an HDTV either
[09:21] <philipacamaniac> I'm addicted to OTA hdtv - I get about 7 channels in Tucson, and it is still worth bragging about
[09:22] <zyn> we're not that fancy here in norway :)
[09:22] <heartEye> Ah, Now I get the same error message whilst trying to load kiten :(
[09:22] <heartEye> So... how do I help this program access libkiten.so.1?
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> zyn: you will see the light when you eventually buy an HDTV (which everyone will, eventually - I just wish we had those cool HD analog tv sets like in Japan)
[09:24] <zyn> probably
[09:27] <nicN> servus
[09:27] <nicN> jemand hier der deutsch kann
[09:27] <hussam> anybody here is familiar with kde win decoration smooth-blend ?
[09:28] <hussam> I can't get smooth-blend to compile on kubuntu. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21107
[09:29] <buz> hussam: did you ever try to compile xorg 6.9?
[09:29] <buz> i wanna test exa ;)
[09:30] <hussam> buz: nope
[09:30] <zyn> the exa stuff rocks... i work with the guy that designed it... his demos are impressive
[09:30] <hussam> buz: did you?
[09:30] <buz> not so far
[09:30] <buz> zyn: do you think he could make ubuntu packages for it? ;)
[09:31] <zyn> buz: maybe... but he runs a powerbook... don't think it would help most people
[09:31] <hussam> buz: we should get that in kubuntu 6.04 if I'm not mistaken
[09:31] <buz> i dont wanna wait that long
[09:31] <buz> for once, radeon is better supported than nvidia and i want to brag; )
[09:31] <nicN> anybody here who is familiar with acpi problem ?
[09:31] <buz> plus, transparency would ROC
[09:31] <buz> i might just try to compile the thing myself ;)
[09:32] <hussam> buz: can you try to compile this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21107
[09:33] <buz> lemme try
[09:34] <libben> best on long time http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?halloween.gif
[09:36] <buz> doesnt work
[09:37] <hussam> buz: ok thanks
[09:37] <hussam> buz: I'm looking for a win decoration other than plastic and this one looked good.
[09:39] <zyn> mwm!
[09:40] <Tm_T> knifty :)
[09:40] <phoenixbyrd> does the GE easycam work with linux?
[09:51] <cyne> hi all
[09:51] <Pwn3r> hi
[09:52] <cyne> anyone got nvidia driver working in breezy yet?
[09:54] <phoenixbyrd> yea
[09:55] <phoenixbyrd> works fine
[09:55] <Lup1n> chao
[09:55] <cyne> phoenixbyrd: can i ask how you installed it?
[09:55] <slow-motion> n8
[09:56] <cyne> phoenixbyrd: i tried using kynaptic to get nvidia-glx and then installed that but X.Org kept locking up and i had to do a hard reset a few times
[09:57] <phoenixbyrd> I installed from kynaptic and changed nv to nvidia in the xorg.conf file
[09:57] <phoenixbyrd> restarted, and everything just worked
[09:57] <cyne> phoenixbyrd: which package did you install?
[09:57] <Lup1n> are there any italian?
[09:57] <phoenixbyrd> idk, hang on
[09:58] <cyne> thanks
[09:58] <cyne> Wolf: there may be :P
[09:58] <Floker> hi there
[09:58] <Floker> i need help with LIRC
[09:59] <phoenixbyrd> I have nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings all installed
[09:59] <cyne> ok me too, which card do you have?
[09:59] <phoenixbyrd> geoforce 2
[09:59] <phoenixbyrd> or w.e it is
[09:59] <cyne> ok
[09:59] <cyne> thanks :)
[09:59] <phoenixbyrd> np
[10:01] <cyne> phoenixbyrd: where do you normally access your nvidia settings from?
[10:02] <phoenixbyrd> idk? I just installed it and it worked, that's about all I kno about it :/
[10:02] <cyne> ok
[10:05] <Knowerrors> Hey all, any idea when the final 5.10 will be released?
[10:06] <buz> i thought 13th
[10:06] <buz> but i0m not sure
[10:07] <hussam> Tm_T: knifty won't compile
[10:07] <Tm_T> hussam: eh, I compiled it several times
[10:07] <Tm_T> hussam: error is?
[10:07] <hussam> Tm_T: error: kdecoration.h: No such file or directory
[10:07] <Knowerrors> will there be much updates between whats available now and the final?  Im trying to decide if I should wait since Im on dialup
[10:08] <Tm_T> hussam: hmm, broken package?
[10:08] <hussam> Tm_T: and kniftyclient.h: In member function 'QPixmap KNifty::KniftyClient::getTitleBarTil                e(bool) const':
[10:08] <hussam> Tm_T: are you on breezy or hoary?
[10:09] <Tm_T> I did compiled it in both
[10:09] <Tm_T> no problems at all
[10:13] <hussam> Tm_T: do you have kdebase-dev installed
[10:13] <hussam> ?
[10:17] <jaldhar> Is there supposed to be a control center thingy for changing the kaffeine engine from gstreamer to xine?
[10:17] <jaldhar> its staying resolutely stuck on gstreamer for me.  (using Breezy)
[10:18] <hussam> jaldhar: in kaffeine, Settings > Player engine
[10:18] <hussam> Tm_T: I was missing kdebase-dev
[10:21] <seth_k> jaldhar, there's a bug filed
[10:23] <jaldhar> hussam, seth_k: after trying it a few times, the setting finally stuck.  weird
[10:23] <SickFL> hello guys, how can i install firefox? apt-get install firefox doesn't work for me
[10:23] <seth_k> SickFL, it's called mozilla-firefox in Hoary
[10:24] <SickFL> thank you verry much!!!
[10:24] <hussam> seth_k: I have another bug in kaffeine. ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/wizard_stamp_v0.7 doesn't get created if you run kaffeine for first time, so it will run the installation wizard each time you run kaffeine.
[10:24] <seth_k> hussam, that bug is filed too methinks
[10:24] <jaldhar> Sick-FL: btw, you can do apt-cache search firefox to search for a package.  Or use adept if you like GUIs
[10:25] <seth_k> hussam, please do look though to make sure, we definitely want to get that fixed
[10:25] <hussam> seth_k: it will run the installation check ( looks for dvd , xine etc, ) everytime 
[10:25] <hussam> seth_k: ok I'll look in bugzilla
[10:25] <seth_k> ah hussam, it's just mentioned in another bug
[10:25] <seth_k> imo file a separate bug for the installation wizard issue
[10:25] <seth_k> :)
[10:26] <hussam> seth_k: ok I'll file a bug and give you the bug #
[10:29] <hussam> seth_k: what about the bug where kaffeine crashes on second Open file?
[10:29] <seth_k> hussam, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&component=kaffeine&component=kaffeine-gstreamer&component=kaffeine-xine&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&resolution=DUPLICATE&resolution=---&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to
[10:30] <hussam> seth_k: but I'll file the install wizard bug anyway, right?
[10:31] <seth_k|away> yes :)
[10:31] <seth_k|away> brb
[10:36] <hussam> seth_k|away: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17109
[10:36] <_segfault> somebody know why Juk doesnt play my mp3
[10:36] <_segfault> amarok does
[10:36] <_segfault> but i really hate amaroK
[10:38] <_segfault> hi?
[10:40] <sigsegv> hello? :S
[10:41] <kevman> :G
[10:42] <zyn> hmm
[10:43] <kevman> When's the kubuntu Breezy release date?
[10:43] <zyn> that should be a faq
[10:49] <SickFL-happY> guys..kubuntu roxx :D
[10:50] <SickFL-happY> but it would be more comfortable if it has more packajes coming with the default install
[10:50] <SickFL-happY> smth like 2nd cd or i don't know.
[10:50] <segfault2k> like a full kdemultimediA? :D
[10:50] <segfault2k> a mp3 burning k3b?
[10:50] <segfault2k> :P
[10:50] <SickFL-happY> lol
[10:51] <SickFL-happY> nope...like some IMs and other small but essential programs
[10:51] <SickFL-happY> ..well essential to me
[10:52] <SickFL-happY> do you think im wrong?
[10:53] <ivanoats> hey folks,  I just installed kubuntu (from ubuntu via apt-get install kde-desktop) and my desktop after I log in is still Gnome? (sorry, cannot connect to FAQ listed in room topic right now)
[10:53] <SickFL> whatever.. have a nice day/good night
[10:53] <heartEye> Have a nice moment!
[10:54] <zyn> ivanoats: there should be a session type menu at the login screen that lets you pick KDE
[10:54] <ivanoats> oh, ok. I will try that, back in a minute! :-)
[11:00] <segfault2k> dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:09] <Skaman> hey guys
[11:10] <Skaman> if i had to free some space...there is any def operation I should do?
[11:11] <Skaman> i have 4.7 gb / 5gb full
[11:11] <Skaman> i even can trash anything
[11:11] <kaouete> apt-get clean ?
[11:11] <kaouete> rm -rf ~/pr0nz/ ?
[11:12] <Skaman> pr0nz?
[11:12] <Skaman> O_o"
[11:12] <Skaman> oh f**k
[11:12] <Skaman> apt-get clean
[11:12] <Skaman> freed like 4 gb
[11:12] <Skaman> O_O
[11:13] <Skaman> kaouete
[11:13] <Skaman> that was a safe thing?
[11:13] <Skaman> or i wiill reboot and cry?
[11:13] <Skaman> :|
[11:13] <kaouete> no it is ok
[11:13] <Skaman> all tmp apt files?
[11:13] <kaouete> yes
[11:13] <Skaman> omfg
[11:13] <Skaman> 4 gb
[11:13] <chavo> just empties out the .deb cache
[11:13] <Skaman> :|
[11:13] <kaouete> krkrkr
[11:13] <Skaman> LOL
[11:13] <Skaman> now i can trash
[11:14] <Skaman> things
[11:14] <Skaman> :D
[11:14] <Skaman> lol
[11:14] <chavo> I thought I had a lot ~2.6Gb
[11:14] <Skaman> i had 4479/4779 full
[11:14] <Skaman> (mb)
[11:14] <Skaman> now
[11:15] <Skaman> 2797
[11:15] <Skaman> oh no i'ts 2 gb
[11:15] <Skaman> mistake :D
[11:15] <kaouete> hehe
[11:15] <Skaman> thnx kaouete
[11:25] <phoenixbyrd> I need help getting winex cvs to compile
[11:35] <heartEye> Damn.  "locate" command cannot find "libkiten.so.1" .   How can I get this file?  I already tried reinstalling.
[11:39] <Tm_T> lai lai
[11:39] <Tm_T> RC !
[11:41] <Cheapie> heh i'm trying to install nvidia 7676 drivers on kubuntu and it wants me to kill x :(
[11:44] <heartEye> Can someone tell me how to compile a .cpp file I just wrote using commandline?
[11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cheapie: Well, you could change the runlevelin /etc/inittab, but what's wrong with the 71xx drivers supplied with Ubuntu?
[11:46] <`Nomad> look at gcc  (  man gcc)
[11:50] <heartEye> Thank you Pwn3r :)
[11:50] <Pwn3r> no problem
[11:50] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> is cleartype on by default ?
[11:51] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> all my fonts look so fuzzy :&
[11:52] <regeya> cleartype is a windows-only thing
[11:52] <regeya> you can change subpixel rendering under kcontrol tho
[11:53] <drom1n4d0> how i can change my drivers nforce??
[11:53] <drom1n4d0> gforce mx440??
[11:54] <drom1n4d0> looking for nem drivers beter
[11:55] <Blissex> !nvidia
[11:55] <ubotu> well, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:55] <phoenixbyrd> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[11:55] <phoenixbyrd> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[11:55] <phoenixbyrd> trying to install an rpm
[11:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> In Ubuntu?
[11:56] <phoenixbyrd> kubuntu
[11:56] <phoenixbyrd> I have rpm installed
[11:56] <murtaugh> hey has anyone used klik in breezy successfully?
[11:57] <drom1n4d0> /dev/hda1 	/mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-15,ro 0 0
[11:57] <drom1n4d0> /dev/hda5 	/mnt/outra vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850 0 0
[11:57] <drom1n4d0> forget
[11:57] <drom1n4d0> sorry im wrong
[11:57] <drom1n4d0> how i download the best drivers for nforce?
[11:58] <phoenixbyrd> goto the nvidia website
[11:58] <phoenixbyrd> there's a link there for linux drivers
[11:59] <drom1n4d0> i download for the konsole
[11:59] <drom1n4d0> how i do
[11:59] <phoenixbyrd> u hafta install without x running... log out of ur session and in the menu thing where u log in there's an option to loging from the console
[12:01] <drom1n4d0> what linux is kubuntu 32 or 64?
[12:01] <drom1n4d0> ia32 or ia64?
[12:01] <[NetSkier> What softphones do people recommend for Kubuntu?
[12:02] <drom1n4d0> for the drivers gforce?