[03:11] <jjesse> evening whoever is hanging out at the keys :)
[03:23] <jjesse> looks like i'm the only one
[03:23] <HrdwrBob> yo
[03:24] <jjesse> hello HrdwrBob
[07:40] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[07:40] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I may have to hand off the quicktour for dapper
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, oh any reason why?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, basically I my new job at Userful and Ubuntu stuff might collide
[07:42] <Burgundavia> currently I am doing no doc work
[07:42] <jsgotangco> ahh understood
[07:42] <Burgundavia> until I get something in writing from Userful about copyright, etc.
[07:42] <jsgotangco> what needs to be done on the quicktour now?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> just screenshots
[07:43] <jsgotangco> hrmmmm
[07:43] <jsgotangco> i guess its pretty safe to do screenshots now
[07:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:43] <jsgotangco> since we're already locked for RC
[07:43] <Burgundavia> I have started on my laptop, but didn't get them done by Sunday
[07:43] <Burgundavia> I might be being paranoid, but I would rather be sure
[07:44] <jsgotangco> sure corey don't worry about it too much
[07:44] <jsgotangco> im sure we'll come up with something good during UBZ
[07:44] <robitaille> I know the feeling...everything I do during the day at work is technically owned by the Queen of England...
[07:44] <Burgundavia> I am already cleared to go to UBZ, which is good
[07:45] <jsgotangco> robitaille, but the queen of england is also the queen of canada...
[07:45] <MadpilotPPC> robitaille, no, copyright is owned by the Queen of Canada, who happens also to be the Queen of various smaller places too... ;)
[07:46] <robitaille> MadpilotPPC,  I know.  Actually we just say it is owned by the crown.
[07:46] <Burgundavia> robitaille, the Queen of Canada is a seperate legal entity to the Queen of England
[07:47] <robitaille> at the end of the day it doesn't matter: I don't own the stuff
[07:47] <jsgotangco> if i move to victoria i need to have a picture of the queen in my house?
[07:47] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  no!
[07:47] <jsgotangco> ahh goodie
[07:48] <robitaille> a statue will be enough :)
[07:48] <jsgotangco> gyahhh
[07:48] <MadpilotPPC> jsgotangco, yes. And newcomers to victoria are also required to go to High Tea at the Empress at least once ;)
[07:48] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, 5' minimum, in the front lawn
[07:49] <MadpilotPPC> you can install a statue of Queen Victoria if the current model doesn't suit you, though
[07:51] <robitaille> wow...all my recent documents are gone from gnome-panel after tonight's updates.  I wonder if that's a bug
[07:51] <Burgundavia> robitaille, hmm, open another doc, they reappear
[07:52] <robitaille> Burgundavia,  yep; they did.  confused me for a second there
[07:53] <robitaille> hummm 11pm...and still many slides to prepare for my ubuntu/foss talk on Thursday. 
[07:53] <robitaille> another long evening coming up...
[07:54] <jsgotangco> robitaille, where you speaking?
[07:56] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  at work. We have an internal seminars series every week, and I try to give a 1-hour talk every year.   this time around, I decided to sell foss and ubuntu to my coworkers :)
[08:35] <mdke> morning
[08:35] <jsgotangco> hey mdke 
[08:37] <mdke> jsgotangco, you never answered my /query yesterday :/
[08:37] <jsgotangco> mdke, of?
[08:38] <jsgotangco> i didnt see any PM
[08:38] <mdke> hmm
[08:39] <mdke> oh well, i'll try again then
[09:57] <jsgotangco> mdke, where do you suggest to put the doc bug in then?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> hi enrico =)
[10:03] <enrico> jsgotangco: hi
[10:10] <jsgotangco> how's life treating you? good i hope
[11:09] <ompaul> Hi, this falls somewhere between devs and docs, so I'll throw it in here for what its worth, I upgraded the two machines in the house around the start of colony 4,  The file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found/ Please check the location and try again. my wife brought this to my attention, it did not bother me, but the date we now have does :)   The file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found/ Please check the loc
[11:09] <ompaul> ation and try again.
[11:09] <ompaul> this happened a couple of weeks ago
[11:10] <ompaul> I did report it but had forgotten about it :)
[11:12] <rob^> its working for me
[11:12] <ompaul> rob^, hoary / breezy?
[11:12] <rob^> breezy
[11:12] <ompaul> hmm
[11:12] <ompaul> so it never fixed on my box :)
[11:13] <rob^> is your system up to date?
[11:13] <rob^> some of those files only got added in a recent update
[11:13] <ompaul> up to yesterday - currently downloading
[11:13] <jsgotangco> mmm?
[11:13] <ompaul> actually ubuntu-docs is held back according to my machine
[11:13] <rob^> what happens when you type the following into firefox? file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[11:14] <jsgotangco> ompaul, force it
[11:14] <rob^> ompaul, thats probably the problem
[11:14] <rob^> I thought jbailey was gonna fix that?
[11:14] <ompaul> it is the same :)
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a tic. ill open firefox as ewll :/ mine was broken yesterday
[11:14] <jsgotangco> same => the ugly white page?
[11:14] <rob^> yep
[11:14] <ompaul> well yeah
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a plain white page
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[11:15] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser, no text?
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> got text, yeh
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was agreeing with ugly white page bit
[11:15] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:15] <ompaul> it is in bugzilla but under ff as ff was having all sorts of issues - it was the time when 1.0.7 came out and all the clever backports broke :)
[11:16] <jsgotangco> we're still thinking of vodoo css for it
[11:16] <ompaul> jsgotangco, any css will do :)
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. yeh
[11:16] <jsgotangco> ompaul, vodoo is being considered though
[11:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:16] <ompaul> okay so it is in your sights, that is all I wanted to know
[11:18] <rob^> grr I need access to faqguide bugs in bugzilla
[11:18] <jsgotangco> edit bug?
[11:19] <rob^> yes
[11:19] <ompaul> the reason I am saying this today is that it is my intention to wipe the machine in the next couple of days, and install the colony 6, so I wanted to make sure that it has gone away :)
[11:19] <rob^> and I need to be able to have them assigned to me too
[11:19] <jsgotangco> give me the bug# and your bugzilla email
[11:20] <rob^> 15475
[11:20] <rob^> robbieboy@gmail.com
[11:20] <rob^> hmm I love old but still working email addresses :)
[11:21] <rob^> yeah I just thought that
[11:22] <rob^> they suck alright
[11:23] <jsgotangco> rob^, is this really fixed?
[11:23] <jsgotangco> i can close this
[11:23] <rob^> yes
[11:24] <rob^> I'm looking at the branch, its been fixed for at least a week or two now
[11:24] <rob^> its fixed in the ubuntu-docs package too
[11:25] <jsgotangco> rob^, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=bugs.resolution%2C+relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=Documentation&content=
[11:25] <jsgotangco> squash em!
[11:25] <jsgotangco> eheh
[11:26] <rob^> heh, 15013
[11:30] <rob^> are problems with upstream docs our problem?
[11:30] <ompaul> amazing hu? no audio, killall esd results in no process killed, audio works
[11:30] <ompaul> ahh wrong channel :)
[11:34] <rob^> jsgotangco, bug 15673, isn't this a yelp issue, not a docs issue?
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ping?
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> are people still working on teh 'unoficial ubuntu FAQ guide' in the help ? bits are missing :/, i was wondering if they were perminant bits
[03:26] <mdke> yo
[03:26] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, have you got the latest version?
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: i thought so, but i could be 2 days out of date ( now i think about it), because i used my isps mirror
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill try updating the docs from the master mirrors and see then
[03:27] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, well that is up to date enough
[03:27] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, the answer is:
[03:27] <mdke> 1) yes we work on that document
[03:27] <mdke> 2) we can't change it now because it is frozen
[03:27] <mdke> 3) file any bugs and we can fix them for the next version
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. thanks. ill (hopefully) be helping for the next version... it may end up being my problem :|
[03:28] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, by the way, are you talking about errors in the document, or missing links?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: example text missing. its in the "windows partitions" bit, all the example code (how to add blah line to fstab for example) is missing on my system
[03:29] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, is there a link to the code?
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent gone beond browsing the pages in help, so what sort of link?
[03:30] <mdke> like "see this example" in blue, which you can click on
[03:31] <mdke> or there is literally a bit missing?
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, there is literaly a bit missing
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> *adds to 'bugs to file' list. 
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> is this launchpad or bugzilla?
[03:32] <mdke> bugzilla
[03:32] <mdke> i'm not sure if that will get fixed actually
[03:32] <mdke> maybe it will be
[03:32] <mdke> if it isn't fixed in breezy, pls file the bug
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. i have a list i need to add when i work out my bugzilla ccount again, so ill add it tothat
[03:33] <mdke> great thanks
[03:34] <mdke> jbailey, awake?
[03:35] <jbailey> mdke: Sortof.
[03:35] <mdke> lol
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:35] <mdke> jbailey, i have got a bit of free time, shall I make that string change?
[03:37] <jbailey> mdke: Sure.  It seems we're in RC freeze now. =(  I thought I still had today.
[03:37] <jbailey> Ah well.
[03:37] <jbailey> It'll go in post RC.
[03:37] <mdke> cool
[03:37] <mdke> jbailey, for the localised omf files, shall i delete them and rerun the script? that should regenerate them right?
[03:38] <jbailey> That's the theory. =)
[03:38] <mdke> jbailey, or is it better to do it by hand so that the localised xml files don't get touched
[03:38] <jbailey> If you're feeling particularily brave (since we have an extra day) we could run the poxml against the OMF files for the aboutubuntu and get that entry translated for the menu
[03:39] <mdke> i wouldn't know how to do that
[03:39] <mdke> it might require regenerating the pot template and merging the translation po files...
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going to (gasp shock horror) try and read through ubuntus (not unoffical) guide... see if i spot anything else obvious. 
[03:47] <mdke> jbailey, string changed and committed
[03:47] <jbailey> Tx
[03:48] <mdke> we should update the translations too... but I guess that would be against the rules
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry about not doing this look at help before, im noticing a lot  (some of which probably has bugs against it already, but ill look when i have my list) :(
[04:00] <mdke> np
[04:00] <mdke> you can fix em for next release
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. 
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw. i have a wiki account, what else do i need to do? (join the team in a formal way i asume?)
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, im on the mail list
[04:02] <mdke> nope
[04:02] <mdke> when work is going on for dapper properly, just start submitting patches
[04:02] <mdke> but there is likely to be a bit of confusion until then while we work out our goals and working methods
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. well ill be around here, and im on the list, so when i can start being usefull i want to try :|
[04:03] <mdke> yep that would be good
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks.
[04:25] <Riddell> who is Greg Taylor and Troy Williams?
[04:28] <mdke> Riddell, they are people who have worked on docs
[04:33] <Riddell> ok cool, just checking they weren't made up :)
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> for the record, i made it to 'hardware', but i stoped to go to bed. soi ll see you all tomorrow i hope :)
[06:25] <mdke> night
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nigh :)
[06:30] <Riddell> mdke: could you apply this patch to branches/breezy/kde http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/docs2.diff
[06:32] <mdke> Riddell, lemme try
[06:33] <mdke> Riddell, what command am I using?
[06:33] <mdke> (sorry)
[06:34] <Riddell> mdke: don't worry, jjesse is back from lunch
[06:35] <mdke> Riddell, ok
[07:02] <jjesse> hey Riddell thanks for applying the style sheet that looks a heck of a lot better then what i did 
[07:02] <jjesse> everyone else should check out the new kreleasenotes
[07:03] <Riddell> jjesse: they'll need to install kdelibs to do so :)
[07:03] <Kinnison> ciao all
[07:03] <jjesse> Riddell: or just svn up and build krn
[07:03] <jjesse> right?
[07:03] <Riddell> well it needs a stylesheet from kdelibs
[07:03] <jjesse> ah
[07:03] <Riddell> if they want to see the HTML
[07:55] <ompaul> that docs error I was talking about several hours ago :"The file /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found. Please check the location and try again." the message coming from a browser.  I have paid more attention getting the last batch of updates and Update Mangler suggests that I use Synaptic Smart Upgrade or Distupgrade for ubuntu-docs, your opinion on if this is of value or just do the upgrade like the nice soft
[07:55] <ompaul> ware is telling me :)
[08:25] <jjesse> ompaul sorry i think i'm the only one at the keys and i use kubuntu
[08:26] <ompaul> jjesse, np, I have hours :) 
[08:26] <ompaul> jjesse, its not really the kind of question I expected an answer in #ubuntu about ;-)
[08:29] <mdke> ompaul, that bug is fixed in the last ubuntu-docs
[08:30] <ompaul> mdke, so I should ignore the ubuntu-docs is held back and install it
[08:31] <mdke> ompaul, up to you
[08:35] <ompaul> mdke, done :)
[08:35] <ompaul> test in a min when it gets downloaded
[08:36] <mdke> i can guarantee that the file is there
[08:36] <mdke> it was fixed a couple of days ago
[08:37] <ompaul> Unpacking replacement ubuntu-docs ..
[08:38] <ompaul> mdke, what was getting me was it was telling me distupgrade / smart upgrade I would have thought that it should not have said that, but I don't know enough about apt
[08:38] <mdke> me neither
[08:39] <mdke> you'll need to dist-upgrade a few times while running the development release though
[08:39] <ompaul> :)
[08:39] <mdke> after release, it will be ok
[09:00] <jjesse> mdke is jbailey making the doc packages for kubuntu?
[09:01] <mdke> dunno
[09:01] <mdke> i think Riddell is doing it
[09:01] <jjesse> probablly
[09:01] <jjesse> i know jbailey mentioned something aobut it yesterday
[09:10] <jjesse> are we going to create a wiki page that is kubuntu release notes? we already have a breezy release notes
[09:10] <jjesse> but was just wondering about kubuntu release notes page
[09:28] <ompaul> mdke, okay that worked, all I need to do now is get the artwork for said page, but I guess that is not out until the badger gets released
[09:47] <jbailey> jjesse: It wasn't clear to me who was doing it.
[10:06] <jjesse> jbailey: me either that's why i was asking