[12:36] fabbione: with a amd64-k8-smp kernel, the keyboard gets very unresponsive, when the machine is under normal load (two processes, regular disk I/O). when typing I get some characters twice or triple [12:37] lucky you!!!! [12:37] you don't need to type as much as i do to get the same crap [12:37] doko: you better try 2.6.10 and see if the problem is there too [12:37] heh ... rebooting to hoary doesn't show tis [12:38] also.. file a bug.. it's unlikely we will even attempt to fix it for breezy [12:38] if you boot 2.6.12 non-smp, does it work? [12:38] no [12:38] so it's generic .12 for you.. [12:38] i am running amd64-k8 here [12:38] no problems.. [12:38] it might be your keyboard is shy [12:39] yes, mostly seen when removing a build tree (on a RAID-0 xfs fs) and typing in another window. [12:39] your disks are too slow ... [12:39] or too fast [12:39] it sounds like an IRQ problem.. [12:40] meh xfs. [12:40] why on earth do you use that crap.... [12:40] doko: does your mobo support APIC? [12:40] if so try to turn it off [12:40] or boot with noapic [12:40] i had problems on mine [12:41] but like yours.. [12:41] mine was crashing hard [12:41] ok, will try, currently OOo2 help is building ... [12:41] ok.. [12:42] just don't upload gcc anymore [12:42] or i will kill you [12:42] sparc is bootable and it can even install [12:42] you so much don't want me upset after breezy release :P [12:42] do you? ;) [12:43] anyway.. i was just kidding... about the "kill you"... [12:43] i will eat you alive :P [12:44] later [12:44] see you === KRavEN [n=kraven@66-169-218-177.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:02] anyone in? I had some questions on using the rules file to build from source [03:04] KRavEN: just ask [03:04] somebody will answer [03:08] well, I trimmed down my config quite a bit and i have it building jsut fine, I was just wondering if there was an easier way to get it to complete the debian/rules binary-udebs than to edit each file in debian/d-i/shared to comment out the unused modules [03:08] also having to go through and delete all the files that have empty categories [03:08] no there is no way [03:09] I saw you talking abotu something similar in an old weblog [03:09] if you change configs and modules [03:09] you need to update the udeb files [03:09] no otherway around that [03:09] was hoping there was a script that would take th eoutput from the install modules and then build the correct shared links [03:09] okay, thaks [03:10] no [03:10] you can't do it automatically [03:10] because there is no mapping between modules name/position and their scope [03:13] nice work on breezy btw, I'm very happy with it for the last month since I moved from hoary [03:14] i need to fix my breezy box, it stopped booting after a kernel upgrade :/ [03:14] heh. forgot to keep an old one in grub? [03:14] no, the old one's around, but grub ignores my usb keyboard [03:15] ahh, damn old bios [03:15] and i don't have a ps2 keyboard unpacked [03:15] sometimes screwing wit the bios usb KB settings will fix it [03:15] depeding on the bios [03:16] dilinger: yo [03:16] KRavEN: thanks [03:20] heh, I can feel your pain, i have a MB that has no ps2 ports at all [03:27] is there any way to get it to spit out all its complaints before erroring out? like after the copy-modules and the find-dups? [03:28] got copy modules done by exporting the sourcedir and then just doing the kernel-wedge copy-modules repeatedly until I got them all but I cant do the same with fidn-dups [03:28] no you need to solve one problem at a time [03:33] fabbione: hey [03:33] fabbione: will the schedules for ubz be known in advance? [03:33] dilinger: you mean the specific BOFs sessions? [03:33] yea [03:33] or just the general schedule? [03:33] no ide [03:33] a [03:33] if there's a kernel BOF, i'd like to be around for it [03:34] i think they are trying to use LP for it [03:34] but i am not sure what's the status tbh [03:34] LP? [03:34] dilinger: i will let you know.. stay tuned [03:34] Launchpad [03:34] ok [03:34] we planned a kernel bof [03:34] and i added another one [03:35] to evaluate other directions [03:35] like a more conservative kernel for the 5 years server support === lamont__ [n=lamont@15.238.6.212] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:42] 5 years? that sounds like a security nightmare :) [03:45] dilinger: 5 for servers 3 for desktop [03:47] does that require you never do a kernel revision? [03:47] like to a new version [03:49] KRavEN: once a kernel is in stable.. it's only security updates [03:49] so no new versions === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-083-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === jbailey_ [n=jbailey@testhaus.cns.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [04:16] is there a trick to getting the restricted modules to build? doesnt seem to like the linux-headers [04:16] KRavEN: we can't ensure that lrm will built with custom kernels [04:16] ahh [04:16] you might want to check debian/control.stub [04:16] and stuff like that [04:17] yeah, I edited that to what shoudl work but I get a lot of no such file or directory warnings for include files, ill keep looking === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:26] hey BenC [05:28] hey [05:28] thanks for the upload in my absense [05:30] i did no upload [05:30] i have one pending [05:30] please let's keep it there as it is [05:30] there is a security issue and several sparc fixes [05:31] "I did no" == "I did one"? [05:31] i did no uploads [05:31] i have one pending with .22 [05:31] I got an upload notification for .21 [05:31] they are all lamont work :) [05:32] ah [05:32] I read the changelog wrong [05:32] twas a bad start-of-week [05:32] lamont: everything good with ia64 now? [05:33] I think so [05:33] is ia64 a supported arch for breezy? [05:33] nope [05:33] need to retest, but at least we have a kernel. [05:33] sweet [05:33] not canonical-supported, that's true [05:33] installable ia64 cd's now? [05:33] should be [05:33] although I think you want the RCC [05:33] which should be RSN [05:33] netboot? [05:33] trick is to make sure that the kernel you have is -9.21 [05:34] netboot should "just work" - completely untested [05:34] -20 was a netboot-only kernel, since IDE was completely fubar [05:34] and really uninteresting on ide-hdd machines [05:35] I think my i2k is scsi === lamont__ burns a current-ish ia64 live cd to test taht [05:36] hppa live is, well, mada [05:47] BenC: are you good with the changes in .22?? [05:47] they are all tested [05:52] yes [05:52] any reason we don't have CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND enabled? [05:53] bug 12310 claims it fixes his crashing when resuming with USB mouse installed [05:53] BenC: it was marked as highly experimental [05:53] so we can probably turn it on for dapper [05:54] BenC: current breezy live ia64 is not happy, need to wait for the new builds that I think Kamion is making now [05:54] ok [06:02] the usb controllers seem to use the same code for CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND as it does for CONFIG_PM [06:03] but the usb core takes extra steps like suspending devices when CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is enabled [06:04] BenC: in any case we so much don't want to test that now :) [06:08] yeah, just wishing we could [06:08] lot of usb/resume related bugs [06:10] yeah [06:10] though luck [07:19] fabbione: will .22 be uploaded post-RC? [07:20] crimsun: yes.. RC is now [07:21] fabbione: ok, thanks. I've uploaded a dpatch for #15031 that should really be in Breezy, since it prevents an OOPS on boot. [07:25] looking in a sec [07:45] crimsun: no [07:45] we are not going to apply that patch [07:45] not for breezy at least [07:45] fabbione: all right. [07:46] it's just too intrusive [07:46] indeed [07:46] 87K of changes.. i will get mdz hang us on a cross and burn us alive === doko starts watching [07:50] ugh, that alc880 is a beast. It's the only one that's OOPSing on boot - all the other codecs with the Intel HDA work just fine. [07:53] though luck === chuck [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chuck is now known as zul [07:54] blah..sendmail [08:12] I like sendmali [08:12] Sendmail is cuddly. === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [08:49] sendmail is a beast that should be put down [08:55] Whyever for? [08:55] It's simply to configure. [08:55] It's fast. [08:55] It's well used. [08:58] And in a pinch, you can make it do *anything* [09:09] bleah..not when you have bad experiences with it [09:13] must...watch...hockey [09:45] Really? [09:45] I know few people with bad experiences with sendmail [09:45] Or at least, few people who haven't done something silly like try to edit sendmail.cf directly. =) [09:46] But that's like editting your gnome configs by using hexedit on the binaries. [09:46] why not? [09:46] you don't like the fun? [09:46] fabbione: Dude. [09:46] fabbione: I enjoy the fun of editting binaries with a hex editor. =) [09:46] ehhe [09:46] But the canonical way of doing it is editting the sendmail.mc file. =) [09:48] given that old admin did left one [10:59] fabbione: Well, it depends how ugly the old admin's changes were.