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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Seveas] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ /topic| 4 Oct 20:00 UTC: TechnicalBoard | 5 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 7 Oct 14:00 UTC: DocTeam | 11 Oct 14:00 UTC: Community Council | 19 Oct 20:00 UTC: MOTU |
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Seveas!meeting set CommunityCouncil 11 Oct 14:0001:24
UbugtuBad chan: #ubuntu-meeting01:24
Seveas!meeting set CommunityCouncil 11 Oct 14:0001:24
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SeveasCouldn't resist writing python at midnight :)01:25
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JaneW**Reminder** 5 mins to Edubuntu Update Meeting i01:54
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flintJJane is too damn eary02:00
flintsorry Janew are you floating arount here?02:00
JaneWhi flint02:00
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flintyou are a mean woman...I need my beauty rest!02:01
JaneWhehehe02:01
flintmorning ollie!02:01
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ograflint, come on, youre beautiful enough02:01
flintelkner just woke me up with a call from his classroom02:02
JaneWflint: actually I was thinking of moving the meeting forward 2 hours, would you prefer that?02:02
flinthe is operating smoothly and is content with the pix fix that Jane and you suggested Ollie. 02:03
flintno...ok yea!02:03
JaneWflint: glad to hear it :))02:03
JaneWok let's get this show on the road02:03
flintjane 2 hours + will place it at your nap time,  What good would that do?02:04
ograno jsgotango ?02:04
JaneWhehe, no 2 hours forward is 10UCT (12:00pm here)02:04
JaneWapartently he is at Burger King02:05
ograhmm02:05
flintah another floater...02:05
JaneWso it's the 3 of us?02:05
ogralooks like02:05
JaneWwell the main victory of this week was getting rid of JessicaX^02:05
flintI am humble in the presence of such power...02:05
ograi already sent my weekl report to jane, but will post it again here02:05
JaneWogra: flood away02:06
ograSerious blocker bugs we have:02:06
ogra- #12942 - NFS timeout * solved !!!02:06
ogranot *this serious*02:06
ogra- #15244 - logins timeout if you try to relogin within the minute you logged out02:06
ograopen LTSP bugs:02:06
ogra- ltsp-server postinst needs to generate the dhcp.conf file dynamically according to the selected IP adress 02:06
ogra  (currently the most important bug we have, makes the install fail if a wrong IP range was selected)02:06
JaneWogra: it;s up in the meeting notes already too02:06
ogra- PATH variable doesnt contain the /usr/games PATH02:06
ogracosmetic LTSP bugs:02:06
ogra- Locale selection in the login manager need fixing or must be ripped out02:06
ogra  (could get ripped out since it will use the server locale by default)02:06
ogra- Session selection in the login manager need fixing or must be ripped out 02:06
ogra  (we dont have sessions yet so the latter is the best option)02:06
ograopen Installer Bugs (all cosmetic):02:06
ogra- error message about IP selesction02:06
ogra- ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting is missing (removing the progressbar and adding a text will do here)02:06
ograopen Extra bugs:02:06
ogra- one small xscreensaver bug where screensavers start in random mode where they shouldnt start at all02:06
ogra  (can be worked around by not selecting random mode, but should better be fixed) 02:06
ogra- artwork must be packaged new, the mozilla homepage (about edubuntu) handling changed completely, fixing this will get 02:06
ogra  very tricky since we cant cover all translations and will have to replace them *all* with the same page i have no 02:06
ogra  idea how to solve that yet and didnt know it was planned.02:06
ogra- i decided to disable all sound components for now since we dont support sound on the thin clients and it will confuse 02:06
ogra  the users (soundserver and volume control in the panel) needs to be added to the artwork package02:06
ograPackage bugs (not solved due to xscreensaver hacking, ajmitch took over but getting it past mdz on the CD at 02:06
ograthis point seems hard (but not impossible)):02:06
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ogra- moodle www-config-common bug02:06
ogra- moodle security bug needs upgrade to v1.5.102:07
ograCDs:02:07
ogra- the powerpc CD now exploded completely (17MB to big), i'm not yet sure what to rip out from it to make it usable, sugestions for not needed package02:07
ogra- due to a broken acpi-support package in ubuntu todays daily isnt installable on all arches.02:07
ogra-------------------02:07
ogragcompris is fixed completely, upstream tested it and thanked for the fixing :)02:07
ograi was mainly busy with sabdfl's xscreensaver whishes last week... over the weekend i fixed gcompris...02:07
JaneWnod, you have been very busy02:07
JaneWand productive02:07
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mhzmoin02:08
JaneWhi mhz02:08
flintdamn...02:08
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ogracurrently my greates drawback is that i still had no time to work on my bazaar skills, but mdz doesnt accept patches to ltsp anymore...02:08
ograelse the ltsp stuff would be fixed today :/02:08
flintmdz is a weenie02:08
JaneWogra: has mdz seen edubuntu yet?02:08
ograJaneW, no idea, he knows toutstanding he ltsp problems...02:09
ogra*the outstanding02:09
flintI would opine that he is buzy with the final coat of paint on breezy02:09
JaneWwhat can be done?02:09
flintjane, what you have is releasable.  02:09
mhzJaneW: and all of you:  I am sorry, but I do have to go to a meeting (about Gov. and its tries to implement IT on education). When will the final Ubuntu Cd covers be ok?02:09
ograJaneW, nothing except me learning bazaar to get the fixes merged02:09
ograbut it wont be ready for RC i fear02:10
JaneWmhz: I am waiting for them....02:10
JaneWmhz: I ask again today and will mail you as soon as we have something02:10
mhzedu-cool!02:10
mhz:)02:10
ograflint, it isnt as long as the dhcp.conf generation is missing02:10
ograflint, if you select a different IP in the installer, the install fails at the end02:11
flintthat dhcp.conf just means that you have only one range to use, the 192.168.1.whatever i thought.02:11
ograthast not releasable02:11
mhzAgain, I am very sorry I have to leave. Best regards to ALL of you and hope you get enlightened enough to work and be happy at the same time :D02:11
mhzby!02:12
mhzbye!02:12
ograflint, yes, but people select other ranges at the beginning of the install are bitten02:12
flintollie keep in mind how pissed off I was that I culd not weedle the lotr patch in.02:12
JaneWadios02:12
flintthanks mhz02:12
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ograflint, its release critical imho... your change was cosmetic, but the lort login works at least02:12
flintokey dokey, but we share a common goal, getting this stuff on the CD.  What ho Joan (Jane) of Arc?02:13
ograflint, yes, but installer issues are way more important02:14
flintollie you are a poet broken is lort fixed is lotr...02:14
ogra:)02:15
flintmdz will argue that a fixed non routable dhcp ip stanza is fine... (BTW I am not trying to piss you off :^)  Just being a devils advocate...02:15
JaneWjsgotangco was complaining that no one is helping (collaborating) on the docs on the wiki02:15
ograflint, it prevents edubuntu-server from being installed02:15
ograits not a routing prob02:15
flintI would imaging that acerbic comment is directed at me jane... :^)  send me a nag email.02:16
flint...and you have to go and edit the dhcp.conf file manually. right olllie?02:16
ograJaneW, i'm complaining that i have to redo edubuntu-artwork because nobody notified the changes in the default firefoix homepage...02:16
JaneWogra: can you explain that a bit02:17
JaneWI am not sure I understand the issue02:17
ograflint, yes, and afterwards you have to reinstall every single package edubuntu-server depends on manually02:17
ograJaneW, last week th default omepage (click the house in firefox to see it) was moved out of ubuntu-artwork and into ubuntu-docs...02:18
ograthats no prob so far02:18
flintin practice you can run with the edited dhcp.conf file ok.02:18
ograJaneW, but the new page gets set by language packs to the translated version now... which means we have 90 different versions of it02:18
ograin different locations02:18
flintLadies and gentlemen, I feel need to unlock from the breezy release, or have network based patches.  02:19
ograso if you have edubuntu-artwork installed (which exchanges the default page with about-edubuntu) and install a language pack afterwards, it gets overwritten with the localized about-ubuntu page02:19
ograflint, thats technically not possible02:20
JaneWogra: oic!02:20
ogramdz already explained that02:20
JaneWogra: I always change my default home page immediately ;)02:20
ograJaneW, my prob is that i havent palnned a minute to touch -artwork again, but its a big prob i dont know how to solve yet02:21
JaneWogra: why was it moved?02:21
flintthe network based patch thing is.  you built one ollie...02:21
ograJaneW, ask the -doc team... its was a surprise for me when jdub removed the page from ubuntu-artwork....02:21
ograJaneW, diziet was bitten by it as well (ff maintainer), but for him its solved... 02:22
JaneWso what do we have to do?02:22
flintkids the issue appears we will need to patch any actual installation of edubuntu if we cannot change the release cd.  Is that it?02:23
JaneWmove ours out of the artwork package too?02:23
ograJaneW, nope02:23
ograJaneW, it doesnt matter in which package the page is02:23
ograif it gets overwritten by langpack changes ....02:23
flintI get it.  the langpack and the actual pages are not quite synced up.02:24
JaneWso we'd need our own lang packs!?02:24
ograthe prob is that we dont have 90 versions of the page... and that i cant make sure all occurences of it get replaced with ours02:24
ograthat would be a solution but not in this timeframe02:24
JaneWright, do we have any translations of about edubuntu02:24
JaneW?02:24
ogranope02:25
ogranot to my knowledge02:25
JaneWcan we force the english page to stay there?02:25
ograut we cant prevent localization02:25
ogranope02:25
ogranot as its designed now02:25
JaneWis there any solution?02:25
JaneWand how NB is it?02:26
ograNB ?02:26
JaneWwhat is there's a link on each about ubuntu page to the english about edubuntu page?02:26
ograJaneW, and what if i use ubuntu ? 02:26
JaneWNota Bena (or whatever) latin for important02:26
ogratheer wont be a about edubuntu page02:27
JaneWthen you;d ignore it, or read it for interest sake02:27
flintwarty sucked this bad out of the gate...  The cool thing here is that most every copy of edubuntu will have a net feed.  Nota bene  Jane.02:27
ograread what '? 02:27
ograyou get an error massage if its not there02:27
ogramessage02:27
JaneWogra: right02:27
JaneWon-line link?02:28
ograand i doubt the doc team would be happy with a edubuntu link02:28
JaneWagreed, but I02:28
JaneW'm thinking of an solution02:28
JaneWany02:28
ograme too, we still have time... i wont touch -artwork this week, probably i can come up with a solution the next days02:28
flintjane, in comparison to the fundamental IP type problem that ollie is alluding to this artwork stuff is small.  You will not connect with the dhcp.conf bug.02:29
ograflint, nope02:29
ograflint, you will not be able to *install*02:29
ograits not about connection02:30
JaneWok well the good news is that sabdfl has commited to funding us to print off some CDs02:30
ograits only the thin client side that isnt connected by default anyway02:30
flintollie, i mean that under certain situations your workstations and the server will not talk.02:30
JaneWthe bad news is if we *cough*cockitup*cough* that will be it for edubuntu02:30
ograflint, yes, because no ltsp is installed02:30
flintjane we did not screw up.  we have the patches we just cannot get them in the stream.02:31
ograflint, that doesnt matter....02:31
flintwe consultants are great at standing holding the seat belt and watching the auto crash.02:31
ograwhat is in on release date must work02:31
JaneWso here's what sabdfl wants02:32
JaneWDocument the shipping02:32
JaneWplan, and ask teams to document their distribution plans ON THE SAME02:32
JaneWPAGE. So, I want to see a wiki page that says we are shipping 500 CD's02:32
JaneWto Germany (and to whom), and beneath that, where that team plamns to02:32
JaneWdistribute those 500 CD's. And then on the same page, the plans for02:32
JaneWNigeria. So on a single page we can see how those 8,000 CD's will be use02:32
flintwe gotta fix the dhcp then.02:32
highvoltagei'm here i'm here02:32
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JaneWhi highvoltage 02:32
ograflint, exactly02:32
flinthi hi hivoltage...02:32
flintgod i love recursion....02:32
highvoltagehi JaneW and flint 02:33
highvoltage:)02:33
flintdo you guys want me to bell the cat, or do you want elkner to write the sabdfl and say what we have is not complete technically?02:34
ograflint, eeek, please dont... 02:34
highvoltageogra: is there an easy way to get a summary of packages and their sizes?02:34
ograhighvoltage, what for ? 02:34
flintgotcha ollie, but we got to do something.02:35
highvoltageogra: removing the best selection of packages for PPC.02:35
highvoltagei'm tending to think gcompris, just because it's so big.02:35
highvoltagebut there's probably a better selection of software to remove.02:35
highvoltageblender3d is possibly one of them.02:35
ograbut gcompris is quite essential02:35
highvoltagetrue, it's one of the things that make edubuntu edubuntu.02:36
ograblender would be a candidate02:36
highvoltagehow about evolution?02:36
ograflint, but that doesnt involve sabdfl02:36
highvoltagemost schools will probably use web based clients.02:36
flintIn the annals hivoltage, you name shall be "The Butcher of PPC"!  I salute you!!!02:36
highvoltageflint: ;)02:36
highvoltageflint: I solute you too, and most people in this chanel, for that matter.02:36
ograhighvoltage, i'm not sure how easy that is... i have to look at it02:36
highvoltageok.02:36
ograbut blender is a good guess... 02:37
ograprobably scribus02:37
highvoltageapologies for just barging in and flooding, i nearly forgot about this meeting.02:37
flintogra, sabdfl will be the one disapointed.  this is expectation management pure and simple.02:37
highvoltagedo we have a set agenda or do i have permission to babble for just a bit longer?02:37
flintno worries hv, your thoughts on Butchery are well received in this meeting.02:37
ograflint, the release is good, as you said in the beginnig, but the dhcp.conf bug needs to get solved, its a mdz thing02:38
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ogramy prob is that i lost 10 days02:38
highvoltagethe website.02:38
ogradue to screensaver flipping back and forth02:39
highvoltagehno73 has the wiki theme done. it's beatiful. we also have our basic html edubuntu page(s)02:39
ogras/screensaver/screensaver packages/02:39
highvoltagethe site and wiki will look different, but with a very, very similar theme. i think it's looking good.02:39
flintogra, the damn thing will work attached to a dedicated switch if you patch the files according to the (still unwritten) documentation, correct?02:39
highvoltageelmo has been scarce again since thursday, all i need him to do is change some dns and apache settings, and we're good to go.02:40
ograflint, the thing will work if you go with the suggested IP range02:40
highvoltageflint: the 'cookbook' exists.02:40
JaneWhighvoltage: yes what you and hno73 have done is looking great, did you get my mail?02:40
ograflint, if you change that, the dhcp.conf needs to pick up this change02:40
highvoltageJaneW: i might have, i'm a bit behind with mail, we've had a two-day meeting over monday and tuesday.02:40
JaneWhighvoltage: elmo is on leave,,,02:41
JaneWhighvoltage: oic02:41
highvoltagecrap.02:41
highvoltagewhen is he back?02:41
highvoltagehow can he choose a time like this to be on leave!? it's like, a freakin' week before release!02:41
JaneWcan;t find it now but I think he said he is off till thurs (tomorrow)02:41
JaneWI know02:41
JaneWbut Karl is there02:42
highvoltageok, that at least is managable02:42
ograhighvoltage, because he worked much harder than anybody else the last weeks02:42
highvoltageogra: ok :)02:42
JaneWrequests must go to: "Now that there's two admins, please email all admin requests to: rt@admin.canonical.com"02:42
highvoltageno harm intended to elmo, for the record.02:42
ograand had to introduce karl 02:42
ogra...to his job 02:42
highvoltagei'll send it to request tracker. anyone have Karl's e-mail too?02:42
flintand the change in dhcp.conf has to flow to all the client configurations, got it.  Highvoltage, where is this "cookbook" got a url?02:43
JaneWhighvoltage: so mail the queue and it should get done, in fact it's much more likely to get done like that (more official)02:43
highvoltagebrb02:43
JaneWflint: in our wiki02:43
JaneWflint: look in the docs section02:43
flintjane, you can tell a lot about a girl by the size of her wiki :^)02:44
flintwhere on the wiki?02:44
flintok I will go look... sorry.02:44
ogran n02:44
JaneWflint!02:45
JaneWwhat else?02:46
flinti'm looking! i'm looking (i'm laughting :^)02:46
flintwhen we go live with this thing jane, the only thing that will help us hold the line is this wiki of yours.  I will find the time to help with it.02:48
flint...getting documentation correct on the page i mean.02:48
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flintmy conculsion is that since we are powerless to change the release cd, our only option is to mitigate any rough edges in the documentation.  this we can do.02:50
JaneWflint: great thanks02:50
JaneWnod02:51
JaneWand get a nice CD cover and label design02:51
JaneWmhz is in carge of that, so collaborate with him02:51
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JaneWflint: also we can do some good press releases02:51
flintI have compelte faith in your graphic design capabilities young lady.02:52
ograsorry, my keaboard went mad, i had to reset02:52
flintthe linux world interview of sabdfl mentions edubuhntu almost as one leg of the tripod, ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu.02:53
flintregarding press, I can see what kind of bother I can cause in DC.  Ollie, am I bad to say that the dhcp.conf fix is most important?02:55
JaneWogra: what is it with the KB of yours?02:55
ograits going mad sometines... i already ordered a new one... but wont recieve it before UBZ02:55
flintjane, it says "Underwood" at the top and is very pretty.  02:56
ograflint, nope, youre absolutely right02:56
JaneWI think it is agreed that the DHCP thing needs to be fixed - ogra but is there any chance of it being fixed before the 13th?02:56
ograflint, all other stuff is minor annoyance and cosmetic stuff02:56
ograJaneW, absolutely02:56
JaneWcool. done02:57
ograJaneW, else i'll resign myself :)02:57
flintagreed.  Note that we have patched around this in all the installations we have done.02:57
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JaneWok is there anything else to discuss?02:57
ograi want to have it fixed locally today, the question is how to get it in... i need a bazaar training02:57
JaneWlets get our A's into G and get this release wrapped02:57
JaneWliterally and figuratively02:57
JaneWogra: can we bribe someone?02:58
flintJane-of-arc, get your armor on, grab yous sword and lets go fight for dhcp.conf02:58
ograJaneW, i'll ask jblack, he offered one to me... but the sad thng is that the patch wont be in for RC02:58
JaneWthat's tomorrow right?02:59
ograi'll jum right on it now to make it ready here02:59
JaneWdoes jblack have time to help?02:59
JaneWok02:59
JaneWand the WSIS thing?02:59
ograJaneW, i'll ask him02:59
JaneWshould I talk to mdz about making it ubuntu olnly?02:59
ograno idea, i gave you all my views02:59
ograwe probably should talk with him 03:00
JaneWok03:00
ograto see his opinion03:00
flintollie, do you have to use bazaar to generate the iso at this point?  That would be most cool.  what do you mean ubuntu only?03:00
ograflint, i have to use bazaar for all of my job03:00
ograso mdz can merge my changes03:00
ogra(and not only mdz)03:00
flintI can tell you he is most disinclined to change anything in the current release.03:00
ograbut he knows the problem with ltsp 03:01
ograthis fix he will accept, be sure03:01
flintNote that the LTSP rewrite was his baby this summer.  03:01
ograits just the technical part on my side that needs to be ok... 03:01
ograflint, as if i wouldnt know that03:02
ograits not a problem with him not liking my changes, its a problem on my side that i cant provide the changes as he wants them03:02
ograand thats what i have to fix...03:03
flintI can live with a dog that dances and looks a little scruffy, especially a newborne one, they are always cute.  But it must dance.03:03
ograexactly03:03
flintogra,  I will probably call matt and harass him about this issue, after talking to elkner.  Elkner and I call him at lunch on a cell phone.03:04
flintand elkner is back online today.03:04
ograflint, dont do that, he surely gets annoyed03:05
ograi wouldnt like to annoy him before i have anything in my hands03:05
JaneWflint: don't irk him more than necessary!03:05
flintyea...  I really look forward to hearing him sputter...03:05
flintI can be gentle and diplomatic, moreover he listens to jeff and I can put him on the phone...03:06
ograflint, being gentle to a guy that hasnt slept enough doesnt help :)03:06
flintmdz is one of the best sputter-ers I know.  His first sputter is normally about the lack of testing response....03:07
ograflint wait until i have the fix ready and have talked to him, he knows how critical the fix is for us03:07
flintogra,  this is important.  Has he been online all night?03:07
ograi guess so... we're short before RC, he doesnt sleep much at this times...03:08
ogra(as i do :) )03:08
flintI will not poke him with a stick when he is sleeping.03:08
flintgotcha.  let me ruminate then.03:08
ograflint, just wait until i have prepared the patch and have talked to him03:08
flintget this one last bug slayed and go to the fair.  I would be most interested in your patch ollie.  can I look at it?03:09
flintI might actually learn something valuable.03:09
ograflint, yes, if its done...03:09
JaneWok ladies I must go03:10
ograi'll send it to you... but note that its only important for the CD (installer)03:10
JaneWogra see you in a bit03:10
flintI actually liked your lotr patch, and I sent back an embelishment03:10
JaneWlets get this DHCP thing whacked03:10
ograyup03:10
flintjane your f-a-b-u-l-o-u-s03:10
ograflint, note too that its a patch for the deb, it has nothing to do with ltsp itself...03:11
JaneWogra: thanks for the great and detailed report :)03:11
flintthanks for being here janew03:11
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ogra(its really only about installation)03:11
ograJaneW, my job... i shuld have started earlier with them :)03:11
flintemail me what you can when you can ollie. merely for my own education.03:11
ograflint, this evening/night (my time) it shoudl be ready03:12
JaneWogra: agreed, but better late than never ;)03:12
ograsure :)03:12
flintI will brief elkner this day.03:12
ograi'll do that on a regular basis before the meetins now03:12
flintgood luck to all and good day/evening/morning/afternoon.  Remember Howard Hughes once flew the worlds largest wooden plane 175 yards in order to say it worked.  Working is a matter of perception.03:14
JaneWthank oli03:14
highvoltagesorry about that, lots of interuptions here.03:14
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highvoltagenot that i'm in a position to ask either, but anything that i can do to help still, or find someone to do?03:15
flintI'm outa here.  Thanks again to all.03:17
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