[12:04] <bddebian> Yeah ajmitch ya slacker ;-P
[12:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: :(
[12:05] <ajmitch> I'll get back to work sir
[12:06] <tseng> dholbach: hugs
[12:06] <dholbach> tseng: :))
[12:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Good boy. ;-)
[12:07] <bddebian> w00t
[12:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey, Malone only!! ;-P
[12:10] <tseng> hibernate works on both my laptops now
[12:10] <tseng> its the coolest
[12:11] <tseng> after sleep that is
[12:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I want to do more bugzilla fixing this week if possible
[12:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: there are plenty of MOTUs around to do universe
[12:14] <tseng> man i need to clean up in here
[12:17] <ajmitch> I won't abandon universe :)
[12:17] <tseng> i will
[12:17] <tseng> or, I did!
[12:17] <tseng> har
[12:18] <ajmitch> nah
[12:20] <tseng> ~
[12:20] <ajmitch> ok, closed some stale bugs in bugzilla
[12:20] <koke> hi all!
[12:21] <ajmitch> hey koke
[12:21] <ogra> ho koke :)
[12:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: looks like your plan to lure back motus is working
[12:21] <bddebian> Hello koke
[12:21] <koke> yep, I just read the mail
[12:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: Heh
[12:21] <koke> but I'm almost all the day in the channel
[12:21] <ajmitch> koke: I know :)
[12:22] <ajmitch> good to see you
[12:22] <dholbach> heya :)
[12:22] <ajmitch> koke: going to be at UBZ?
[12:22] <koke> ajmitch: not sure yet, but I don't think so
[12:22] <Kyral> I am
[12:22] <koke> maybe I'll change my opinion at last minute :)
[12:23] <ajmitch> ogra: a few of these old bugs are assigned to you ;)
[12:23] <ajmitch> koke: hopefully you do :)
[12:23] <ogra> ajmitch, cxx stuff ?
[12:23] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:23] <ajmitch> just cleaning up those that are fixed
[12:23] <koke> ajmitch: I didn't remember
[12:24] <koke> let's go for them :)
[12:24] <koke> ajmitch: hey, I only have one :)
[12:24] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, \sh grabbed all my cxx stuff when i started with edubuntu
[12:25] <jmg> hey guys
[12:25] <ajmitch> ogra: yep
[12:25] <ajmitch> hello jmg
[12:25] <ogra> hi jmg
[12:25] <jmg> note that i am not ubuntuized yet
[12:25] <jmg> but i still want to be a motu for dapper
[12:25] <bddebian> Hello jmg
[12:25] <ogra> jmg, thts the right place then :)
[12:25] <dholbach> jmg: that's excellent news
[12:26] <bddebian> dholbach: If this is all it took, why didn't you send the mail a month ago?? ;-P
[12:26] <jmg> ajmitch: i reinstalled my laptop and checked out the bugfixed kvpnc... still lots of bugs from upstream but at least my bug is fixed :)
[12:26] <dholbach> bddebian: good question
[12:26] <jmg> ajmitch: rebuilt as lvm so i can resize for development :)
[12:28] <ajmitch> jmg: great
[12:28] <jmg> every day is bug day
[12:28] <ajmitch> sure
[12:28] <jmg> ajmitch: is sip support a goal for main or universe?
[12:29] <ajmitch> we fix bugs non-stop h ere
[12:29] <jmg> for breezy
[12:29] <ajmitch> jmg: possibly main
[12:29] <ajmitch> for dapper
[12:29] <jmg> yeah
[12:29] <ajmitch> can
[12:29] <jmg> well sip support in breezy is non existant
[12:29] <ajmitch> can't push stuff to main now
[12:29] <jmg> its all in universe and none of that works
[12:30] <ajmitch> file bugs, please
[12:30] <ajmitch> at least against the universe packages
[12:31] <bddebian> Riddell: You here?
[12:32] <Riddell> bddebian: hi
[12:32] <Riddell> always here for you baby
[12:32] <bddebian> Riddell: Heya.  Does KDE look use /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/pixmaps too or is that a Gnome only thing?
[12:32] <bddebian> Riddell: Heh
[12:33] <bddebian> s/look//
[12:33] <koke> brb, I need a bigger computer :)
[12:33] <bddebian> Get me one too ;-)
[12:33] <bddebian> oh whoops
[12:33] <Riddell> bddebian: /usr/share/applications/kde for .desktop files
[12:33] <Riddell> bddebian: /usr/share/icons for icons
[12:34] <Riddell> and /usr/share/apps/myapp/  for other images
[12:34] <bddebian> Fux, OK.  I'll have to fix wordtrans AGAIN.  Thanks
[12:34] <Riddell> bddebian: what's the issue?
[12:34] <bddebian> Riddell: I was adding/fixing a desktop file for wordtrans-qt and I "fixed" wordtrans-kde too. ;-)
[12:35] <Riddell> bddebian: what did you change?
[12:35] <bddebian> for -qt it wasn't being built.  For KDE it was going in /usr/applnk/some/crazy/dir :-)
[12:35] <Riddell> applnk is old
[12:35] <bddebian> Aye
[12:38] <bddebian> Gotta run for  a bit, bbiaw
[12:38] <dholbach> bddebian: 'w'?
[12:39] <ajmitch> week? :)
[12:39] <bddebian> While
[12:39] <bddebian> Whenever
[12:39] <sistpoty> cya bddebian
[12:39] <hubH> stupid stamp files
[12:39] <sistpoty> hrmpf... hat is a PITA... it builds > 1h and i've got it now to the point where it fails in postinst :(
[12:40] <ajmitch> sistpoty: lovely
[12:40] <jmg> mwuhahaha, i guessed the clarkson xen svn url.
[12:41] <ajmitch> heh
[12:41] <koke> hi again!
[12:41] <ajmitch> ok, cut down the open cxx bug list on bugzilla
[12:41] <sistpoty> wb
[12:41] <crimsun> ok, well, ALSA's fixed. Whether it's applied it time for Breezy is probably a no-go, but the dpatch is there.
[12:41] <crimsun> Time for more bug squashing!
[12:42] <ajmitch> there's still 3824 bugs open on bugzilla! get to work, people! :)
[12:42] <dholbach> wb koke
[12:42] <koke> doh! what a shame, I didn't ever have pbuilder installed in my workstation :/
[12:43] <jmg> hmm
[12:43] <jmg> i wonder if i can do a dirty hack on klaptop to actually use /etc/acpi/
[12:47] <sladen> jmg: they need to be fixed to use ACPI and pmi
[12:49] <ajmitch> jmg: who else from up there are you going to drag in as a MOTU?
[12:58] <jmg> ajmitch: Hmm, my coworkers are either too busy to do any motuing, or too silly.
[12:58] <jmg> ajmitch: ill do my best to translate their whines into usable bugs
[12:59] <jmg> oh
[12:59] <jmg> not much point really
[12:59] <jmg> im behind the times
[01:02] <dholbach> have a nice evening guys, i'm off to bed
[01:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: NO BUGZILLA! ;-P
[01:04] <bddebian> Gnight dholbach
[01:04] <dholbach> :)
[01:08] <crimsun> 'night
[01:08] <marcin_ant> hmm
[01:08] <marcin_ant> *stupid* question - what is MOTU?
[01:10] <bddebian> MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE
[01:10] <bddebian> <--- He-Man
[01:10] <bddebian> ajmitch is She-Ra ;-P
[01:10] <marcin_ant> I see
[01:11] <Kyral> Fear us.....wait....only be aware of me. I'm just in Training ;P
[01:11] <bddebian> Kyral: Aren't we all ? :-)
[01:11] <Kyral> Compared to real MOTUs that is :P
[01:12] <marcin_ant> hmm is this possible to have more than one MOTU?
[01:12] <bddebian> MASTERS sorry ;-)
[01:12] <crimsun> yes
[01:12] <marcin_ant> heh I see ;)
[01:12] <crimsun> it was bddebian misleading you :p
[01:27] <j^> wrt http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=708
[01:27] <j^> it fails to start here while trying loader.write(base64.b64decode(content))
[01:27] <j^> in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/deskbar/handlers/mozilla.py
[01:28] <j^>  line 134
[01:34] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[01:34] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[01:45] <Nafallo> http://www.angelfire.com/wa/zzaran/calvin.html
[01:52] <ajmitch> I see bddebian has been trash-talking me again :P
[01:53] <ajmitch> hmmph
[01:53] <Nafallo> lol
[01:54] <Nafallo> I hope sistpoty didn't saw that /dev/bed is a symlink to /dev/null ;-)
[01:54] <bddebian> hehe
[01:54] <Nafallo> but well. he disappered... :-P
[01:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: you'll put me off bugfixing next :P
[01:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: ??
[01:58] <ajmitch> 12:10 < bddebian> ajmitch is She-Ra ;-P
[01:58] <ajmitch> 12:10  * bddebian hides
[01:59] <Nafallo> lol
[02:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: I got that, but what do you mean by put you off bugfixing?
[02:00] <ajmitch> I might decide to quit again :P
[02:02] <ajmitch> with the abuse I get around here & all
[02:05] <tseng> again?
[02:06] <sivang> night all
[02:06] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:31] <ajmitch> heh
[02:37] <jmg> ajmitch: what is the invocation to dpatch you told me?
[02:37] <ajmitch> which invocation did you need?
[02:37] <jmg> ajmitch: there was one that gave a shell and then i could make my change?
[02:38] <ajmitch> dpatch-edit-patch?
[02:38] <jmg> is that it?
[02:38] <ajmitch> should be
[02:38] <ajmitch> you need to setup debian/rules for dpatch first
[02:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: You can't quite, slaves have to be sold. ;-P
[02:38] <jmg> it's already dpatch aware
[02:39] <ajmitch> jmg: then dpatch-edit-patch should work
[02:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: too late for that
[02:39] <bddebian> Err s/quite/quit
[02:41] <jmg> Not quite. seems a little broken
[02:41] <ajmitch> what happens?
[03:17] <bmonty> hey everyone
[03:17] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:18] <bmonty> working on bug fixing?
[03:18] <ajmitch> of course he is
[03:18] <bddebian> I guess
[03:18] <ajmitch> he is the Bug Master
[03:18] <bmonty> ok then, #1332...I propose reject
[03:19] <bddebian> Yep
[03:25] <bmonty> hey, the bug count is holding below 500...nice job bddebian
[03:26] <ajmitch> yes, good job Bug Master
[03:27] <bddebian> pfft
[03:28] <bddebian> :-)
[03:28] <bddebian> I need another machine or two .. :-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> sure
[03:28] <ajmitch> like the 20 you have aren't enough
[03:28] <bmonty> if a bug is assigned to Martin Pitt, can I close it if the problem is fixed?
[03:29] <tseng> yes
[03:29] <bmonty> #1765
[03:29] <bddebian> They're all Hurd.  I'm starting to consider switching one to Ubuntu
[03:29] <bddebian> bmonty: Yes
[03:31] <bmonty> do you worry about backporting security fixes to hoary?
[03:31] <Amaranth> in main, yes
[03:32] <bigcx2> hey all
[03:32] <Amaranth> in universe only if someone is willing to do it
[03:32] <bmonty> thanks Amaranth
[03:32] <bmonty> brb
[03:32] <bigcx2> i just put up a guide for oracle 10g on ubuntu on the wiki
[03:32] <ajmitch> hello bigcx2
[03:32] <bigcx2> if you all could check it out and give me some feedback
[03:32] <bigcx2> it'd be appreciated
[03:33] <bigcx2> wiki.ubuntu.com/Oracle10g
[03:33] <bigcx2> lol
[03:34] <ajmitch> looks moderately evil
[03:35] <bigcx2> no it's totally evil
[03:35] <bigcx2> :)
[03:35] <bigcx2> closed source sucks
[03:35] <bigcx2> that's why it had to be done
[03:35] <ajmitch> yep :)
[03:35] <ajmitch> I don't think I've closed any malone bugs yet today
[03:36] <bigcx2> i got one for ya that'd be easy to fix
[03:36] <ajmitch> bigcx2: sure
[03:37] <bigcx2> i put it in a couple a days ago but i don't know if it's been accepted yet
[03:37] <bigcx2> it has to do with the zope-common docs
[03:37] <ajmitch> ah, main bug
[03:38] <ajmitch> what's the bug number, and is it in bugzilla?
[03:38] <bigcx2> it's in universe
[03:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: You are such a liar :-)
[03:38] <ajmitch> you filed the bug in malone?
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[03:38] <bigcx2> yea
[03:39] <bddebian> * ajmitch can't handle anything too complex :)
[03:39] <ajmitch> bigcx2: the package is in main for breezy, did you file the bug against hoary?
[03:40] <bigcx2> i don't think i picked a specific release
[03:40] <ajmitch> bigcx2: ok, checked the doc, the typo is fixed
[03:40] <bigcx2> for breezy
[03:40] <ajmitch> yes
[03:41] <bigcx2> alright it was 2842 by the way
[03:41] <ajmitch> it's hardly a critical bug that requires us to put it in hoary-updates
[03:41] <ajmitch> I know
[03:41] <ajmitch> otherwise I wouldn't have known what the bug was
[03:41] <bigcx2> hey i thought you said you wanted something easy!
[03:41] <bigcx2> :)
[03:41] <ajmitch> it's easy, I can mark it as fixed because we have a fixed package :P
[03:42] <bigcx2> cool
[03:42] <bigcx2> does the package in breezy have the linked mode that it talks about in the docs?
[03:42] <ajmitch> no
[03:42] <bddebian> Can anyone reproduce 2852?  I cannot
[03:42] <ajmitch> the README talks about them as addon techniques
[03:42] <ajmitch> rather than modes
[03:43] <bigcx2> ahh maybe i misread it then
[03:43] <bigcx2> sounds cool regardless
[03:43] <ajmitch> thank doko
[03:49] <bddebian> bmonty or ajmitch: Can either of you reproduce 2852?
[03:49] <JptrDuo> Hey guys, there's a package that's in the universe (kvirc) that's 2.x in the repository and is currently at v. 3.2.0 (debian package available)
[03:50] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: it works fine for me
[03:50] <JptrDuo> not sure if it should go on Universe Candidates since it needs to be updated, but isnt new
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, and I already asked you & bmonty to try & reproduce that for me :P
[03:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: Did you?
[03:51] <bddebian> I wonder what arch he's running
[03:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes
[03:52] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch, why didn't you close it?
[03:52] <ajmitch> because that bug was closed
[03:53] <ajmitch> and it was 1657
[03:53] <ajmitch> this is a new one
[03:53] <bddebian> Oohh :-)
[03:53] <bmonty_laptop> ahh....a user who can't catch a clue
[03:53] <ajmitch> 1657 the reporter confirmed it as working
[03:53] <ajmitch> 2852 is by someone else
[03:57] <bddebian> Hmm, I think I've killed my poor lappy trying to compile opensp and download/install ddd at the same time.. :'-(
[04:00] <bddebian> Uhm, 2833?
[04:00] <hubH> bddebian: is it that weak?
[04:00] <hubH> bddebian: I do more on my slow and aged laptop
[04:01] <bddebian> Actually I think my HD is failing and Ihave been putting it off :-)
[04:20] <bddebian> ajmitch or bmonty:  2843?  When I install ddd I get libxp6  ??
[04:21] <ajmitch> ok
[04:21] <ajmitch> it still needs fixed
[04:21] <bddebian> Does it?
[04:21] <ajmitch> libxp6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0),
[04:21] <bddebian> Then how did it come in for me?
[04:21] <ajmitch> a rebuild would drop the unnecessary libxp6 dep
[04:21] <ajmitch> because you've got a screwy box? ;)
[04:22] <bddebian> I did it in a pbuilder login
[04:24] <bddebian> All it needs is a rebuild?  I don't have to add the libxp6 dep?
[04:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: ^^ ?
[04:26] <ajmitch> unless you really really want to?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> hey zakame
[04:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Damn you.  What is "correct" ? :-)
[04:27] <zakame> hi jsgotangco =)
[04:27] <hub__> back
[04:30] <bmonty_laptop> anyone running kubuntu?
[04:31] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: No, not yet. :-(  I think if I bring up another box I might.
[04:36] <bmonty_laptop> hmm...look at 451.  The submitter says he rebuilt the package and it now it works.  Is it worth you guys rebuilding the package?
[04:38] <bddebian> He says he built it in a hoary pbuilder???
[04:39] <bmonty_laptop> yeah, looks like a hoary pbuilder
[04:41] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Mark it fixed in breezy ;-)
[04:43] <bmonty_laptop> I would except the submitter says the bug occurs with the package in breezy
[04:43] <bddebian> Did you try it? :-)
[04:43] <bmonty_laptop> I don't run KDE so I can't reproduce the bug
[04:45] <bddebian> Oh, well kick Riddell  ;-P
[04:56] <Rotund> Hi.  I'd like to be a MOTU.  I have a package that's not in debian that I'd like to make a debian package for.
[04:56] <Rotund> Could someone walk me through the process?
[04:56] <Rotund> or point me to a good page w/ the info
[04:58] <zakame> Rotund: the maint-guide package $(apt-get -y install maint-guide) provides a good intro :)
[04:58] <bmonty_laptop> Rotund: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips and other pages in the MOTU category
[04:58] <Rotund> thanks.  Just checking that there isn't a deskbar applet package under some other name
[04:58] <ajmitch> there is
[04:58] <Rotund> what is it?
[04:59] <ajmitch> it's just been packaged
[04:59] <Rotund> oh, so I just need to wait for it.
[04:59] <ajmitch> dholbach probably uploaded it a few hours ago
[04:59] <zakame> Rotund: another pointer is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[04:59] <Rotund> now I'm the MOTV (Master of the void)
[04:59] <Amaranth> iirc it was uploaded about 6 hours ago
[05:00] <bddebian> resapplet?
[05:00] <ajmitch> no
[05:00] <ajmitch> resapplet is completely different
[05:00] <Rotund> no.  This is like the google address bar/quicksilver (sorta)
[05:01] <Rotund> hmmm.  I just refreshed and still nothing under "deskbar"
[05:01] <ajmitch> Rotund: because new packages need to be manually approved after upload
[05:02] <Rotund> gotcha
[05:03] <hub> dholbach did
[05:03] <bmonty_laptop> are syncs from debian unstable still OK?
[05:03] <ajmitch> yes, as said before
[05:03] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: maybe
[05:03] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: give us a good reason for it
[05:04] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: kcheckgmail....seems that only the latest version will work with gmail
[05:04] <bmonty_laptop> #459 and #2018
[05:04] <Rotund> now for my "fun"... I want to try to get a newer version of libtheora for me.
[05:05] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: you've tested it?
[05:05] <ajmitch> Rotund: not in breezy, sorry
[05:05] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: no, I don't use KDE
[05:05] <ajmitch> Rotund: you could build it yourself if you wanted
[05:05] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: never ask for a sync that you haven't tested yourself
[05:06] <Rotund> ajmitch: I know.  As I said, it's for me and I'll probably post a link somewhere as the one in breezy is total crap
[05:06] <hub> what should be done with a bugzilla bug marked as RESOLVED UNIVERSE?
[05:06] <ajmitch> hub: fix it
[05:07] <Rotund> what are the chances I could get a new package into Sarge for next time?
[05:07] <bddebian> Sarge???
[05:07] <ajmitch> Rotund: into sarge? absolutely none :)
[05:07] <windex> o_O
[05:07] <hub> ajmitch: but I mean, how to we mark then as fixed since they are already resolved?
[05:07] <hub> ajmitch: reopen and then really mark FIXED?
[05:07] <ajmitch> hub: we don't, since we use malone
[05:07] <hub> ah ok
[05:07] <hub> so?
[05:07] <Rotund> They are using a very old version there and the ubuntu one is a recompile of the sarge one.
[05:08] <Rotund> I don't know if the guy died or what. ;)
[05:08] <hub> ah I go to the malone bug
[05:08] <ajmitch> Rotund: sarge is released, you cannot get new versions in
[05:09] <Rotund> Sid... unstable
[05:09] <Rotund> I get those confused =)
[05:09] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: I haven't asked for the sync yet....just checking to make sure I understand the process
[05:10] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: this close to the release, you need to provide real justification & test it
[05:10] <ajmitch> although you should always test it
[05:11] <bmonty_laptop> I guess we need to get a kubuntu user to test it, or drop the package since the version in breezy is no good
[05:12] <windex> completley unrelated to this channel but a valid question since i want to play with some packages that may exist in breezy: is breezy stable enough to use day to day yet?
[05:12] <bddebian> windex: I've been using it daily for 3 months
[05:13] <ajmitch> windex: considering that it's due for release in a bit over a week, it ought to be
[05:13] <windex> oh. ok then. :D
[05:13] <windex> last time i asked, was 2 months ago, and X was broken. :)
[05:13] <bmonty_laptop> windex: the colony 5 release is excellent
[05:14] <windex> i guess that means i can check to see if my tablet pc will run ubuntu without modifications then. :)
[05:14] <bddebian> How the fsck can we have libglade2 v 2.5.1-2ubuntu1 but glade 0.6.4-13.1??
[05:14] <ajmitch> simple
[05:15] <bddebian> Ahh glade-2 ?
[05:15] <ajmitch> yes
[05:15] <ajmitch> although the versions are still different
[05:15] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: that confused me too the last time I played with glade :)
[05:16] <bddebian> :-)
[05:20] <crimsun> it can be confusing. Glade and Libglade are actually different sources.
[05:20] <bmonty_laptop> sound ok to close #459, I suspect at some point in the past that bug would have been fixed, 2018 would be the most valid now
[05:21] <bmonty_laptop> damn, 8-12" of snow in north dakota tonight
[05:21] <bmonty_laptop> guess I better get my snow blower fixed soon
[05:23] <crimsun> bmonty_laptop: looks fine to me to close 459.
[05:23] <crimsun> I'd add a referral to 2018.
[05:23] <bddebian> Am I on crack (as usual) or what is up with the diff on #2782 ??
[05:24] <bddebian> Did he just diff the script after it was built??
[05:24] <bmonty_laptop> heh, I've closed 5 bugs tonight and I haven't had to apt-get anything :)
[05:24] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: FU ;-P
[05:24] <bddebian> And I haven't even gotten to gnucash yet.. :'-( :'-(
[05:25] <bmonty_laptop> what is wrong with gnucash?
[05:25] <bmonty_laptop> I need to figure out how to build a kubuntu uml image
[05:26] <bddebian> Old version.  Missing desktop file.  Can't use ofx.  Take your pick ;-)
[05:26] <bmonty_laptop> desktop file is there, I checked that this afternoon
[05:27] <bddebian> In the current version?
[05:27] <bmonty_laptop> yes
[05:27] <bddebian> Well it ftbfs's anyway :-)
[05:27] <bmonty_laptop> I would add GNOME to the categories, but the desktop file looks correct otherwise
[05:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't anger the debian maintainer of gnucash
[05:27] <bmonty_laptop> well FTBFS is definately a problem
[05:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Who, Thomas?
[05:28] <ajmitch> yeah
[05:28] <bddebian> pfft :-)
[05:28] <ajmitch> you may recognise the name :)
[05:28] <bddebian> I had dinner with him right before I left California
[05:29] <ajmitch> heh
[05:29] <bddebian> That's why you are coming to PA via UBZ right?? ;-P
[05:30] <bmonty_laptop> ajmitch: don't listen to him, PA sucks
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: depends on how much you'd pay me to visit
[05:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: How much would it take?  I have to buy friends. ;-)
[05:31] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Oh, as opposed to 12 inches of snow in October?? ;-P
[05:31] <bmonty_laptop> north dakota sucks too....that is why I don't live there
[05:33] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Where are you?
[05:33] <bmonty_laptop> nebraska
[05:33] <bddebian> Ahh, a Cornhusker
[05:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: 2 laptops, at least one being amd64 ;)
[05:33] <bddebian> eeks
[05:33] <bmonty_laptop> not really, I'm a temporary resident
[05:33] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Oh
[05:34] <bmonty_laptop> I from New England originally...Maine and Massachusetts mostly
[05:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thoughts on my comment about 2782?
[05:36] <ajmitch> bddebian: what comment?
[05:36] <bddebian> bddebian Am I on crack (as usual) or what is up with the diff on #2782 ??
[05:36] <bddebian> bddebian Did he just diff the script after it was built??
[05:36] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: I don't see a comment either
[05:37] <bmonty_laptop> looks like just a diff of the script
[05:38] <bmonty_laptop> either that or he only changed the script and didn't do anything else to the package
[05:38] <bddebian> Fux.  He posted like 4 of those
[05:38] <ajmitch> is there something wrong with just diffing the init script?
[05:38] <bddebian> It's not in the package like that
[05:39] <ajmitch> and?
[05:39] <bddebian> How would I apply it?
[05:39] <bddebian> And I'm not sure his diff is even valid
[05:39] <ajmitch> you expect the submitters to do all the work?
[05:40] <bddebian>  /lib/lsb/init-functions  ??  Is that even valid?
[05:40] <ajmitch> ls -la /lib/lsb/init-functions
[05:40] <ajmitch> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 7310 2005-09-25 05:38 /lib/lsb/init-functions
[05:40] <ajmitch> dude, why do you think the submitter went to the effort of making a patch?
[05:40] <bddebian> Yeah I can see that thanks
[05:41] <ajmitch> so why ask?
[05:41] <bddebian> A patch to what?
[05:41] <ajmitch> to the initscript :P
[05:41] <crimsun> it patches /etc/init.d/privoxy, I presume
[05:41] <ajmitch> no
[05:41] <ajmitch> debian/init.d, actually
[05:41] <crimsun> err, yes
[05:41] <ajmitch> which then gets installed there :)
[05:41] <crimsun> sorry, what becomes /etc/init.d/privoxy
[05:42] <bddebian> But after the fact right?  He just diffed the script built by the package??
[05:42] <ajmitch> why do you think that?
[05:43] <bddebian> Because afaict it nowhere near resembles anything in the source
[05:43] <ajmitch> the patch applies cleanly
[05:43] <ajmitch> the package doesn't use the initscripts in the soruce
[05:43] <ajmitch> s/soruce/source/
[05:45] <ajmitch> yep
[05:45] <ajmitch> I said which file the patch applied against earlier
[05:45] <ajmitch> this is just yet another aspect of debian packaging you need to learn :)
[05:46] <bddebian> So learn me Oh Master
[05:46] <bddebian> :-)
[05:46] <ajmitch> 16:41 < crimsun> it patches /etc/init.d/privoxy, I presume
[05:46] <ajmitch> 16:41 < ajmitch> no
[05:46] <ajmitch> 16:41 < ajmitch> debian/init.d, actually
[05:46] <ajmitch> due to the call to dh_installinit in debian/rules
[05:48] <bddebian> Can I call that specifically?  Don't I have to do: debian/rules binary-arch: ?
[05:48] <ajmitch> eg
[05:48] <ajmitch>  dh_installinit -v
[05:48] <ajmitch>         install -d debian/privoxy/etc/init.d
[05:48] <ajmitch>         install -p -m755 debian/init.d debian/privoxy/etc/init.d/privoxy
[05:48] <ajmitch> eh?
[05:49] <ajmitch> why would you want to?
[05:49] <bddebian> NM, OK, now what?
[05:49] <bddebian> Heya tritium and LaserJock
[05:49] <tritium> hi bddebian
[05:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did you see your ghemical and mopac stuff?
[05:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!!!
[05:50] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'm glad SOMEONE does ;-)
[05:51] <bddebian> ajmitch: What does that do for me, that's after the fact??
[05:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: umm
[05:52] <ajmitch> we're modifying a source package here
[05:53] <ajmitch> you can patch the source any way you need to
[05:53] <bddebian> Aye
[05:53] <ajmitch> including simply applying that patch
[05:53] <ajmitch> and sticking in a changelog entry
[05:53] <ajmitch> both of which I've done
[05:53] <bddebian> Applying it to WHAT??
[05:53] <ajmitch> ffs
[05:53] <ajmitch> I've told you twice
[05:53] <ajmitch> 16:46 < ajmitch> 16:41 < crimsun> it patches /etc/init.d/privoxy, I presume
[05:53] <ajmitch> 16:46 < ajmitch> 16:41 < ajmitch> no
[05:53] <ajmitch> 16:46 < ajmitch> 16:41 < ajmitch> debian/init.d, actually
[05:54] <bddebian> AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:54] <ajmitch> I told you I was getting irritable earlier
[05:54] <ajmitch> :)
[05:55] <bddebian> Who the frick is Stephen Shirley?
[05:56] <ajmitch> a MOTU
[05:56] <ajmitch> and you could have asked with s/the frick //
[05:56] <bddebian> nick?
[05:57] <ajmitch> diamond
[05:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: ok, not to seem ungrateful ;-) but if I provided a debdiff to libghemical to get mopac support would that be able to get in?
[05:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StephenShirley
[05:57] <crimsun> holy, I never realised we had grown
[05:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Never heard of them.  Hm.
[05:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye
[05:58] <ajmitch> them?
[05:58] <ajmitch> crimsun: we've grown a little
[05:58] <bddebian> HIm
[06:07] <bmonty_laptop> well both my battery and the laptop's battery are almost dead....night guys
[06:08] <bddebian> Later bmonty_laptop
[06:08] <bddebian> Thanks for your work as always! :-)
[06:08] <bmonty_laptop> np, I'm having fun :)
[06:12] <crimsun> I'm off to bed as well, finished ALSA, so tomorrow's (today's) vlc.
[06:12] <tritium> Good night, crimsun
[06:13] <crimsun> 'night
[06:14] <bddebian> Gnitght crimsun
[06:17] <\sh> moins
[06:20] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[06:23] <\sh> fixing dosemu ;)
[06:23] <\sh> I have 47 minutes time ;)
[06:23] <ajmitch> haha
[06:23] <ajmitch> dosemu wouldn't be a nice one to fix properly, I think :)
[06:24] <\sh> segfaults in actual version in breezy...
[06:24] <ajmitch> yes
[06:24] <\sh> new upstream shouldn't but has compile errors...
[06:24] <ajmitch> which is why it's not nice :)
[06:25] <bddebian> \sh: You already fixed xgsmlib?? ;-P
[06:25] <bddebian> Hi btw :-)
[06:25] <\sh> bddebian: no...I'll try to compile it later on with g++-3.4 and applied patch
[06:25] <bddebian> :-)
[06:26] <\sh> I read dholbachs mail this morning...and I was feeling sad :(
[06:26] <ajmitch> \sh: why?
[06:26] <\sh> sad, that bddebian has to fix the universe by himself ;)
[06:27] <ajmitch> yes, so sad that bddebian is fixing all the bugs
[06:27] <\sh> so we can't leave him alone...he has 3 kids...they're growing up with no dad and only bugs around
[06:28] <ajmitch> because of course none of the rest of us have done any bugfixing
[06:28] <bddebian> Ack.. Hey I have never said any of this
[06:28] <\sh> gnarf
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: but dholbach is right
[06:30] <\sh> dpmi.c: In function 'dpmi_fault':
[06:30] <\sh> dpmi.c:3542: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
[06:30] <\sh> dpmi.c:3549: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
[06:30] <\sh> BAH
[06:30] <ajmitch> yes, dholbach is right, noone else has done anything of note
[06:30] <\sh> LWORD32(eip, += 2);
[06:31] <\sh> #define LWORD32(x,y) {if (DPMI_CLIENT.is_32) (unsigned long) _##x y; else _LWORD(x) y;}
[06:31] <\sh> stoopid...
[06:31] <\sh> now I need my "macro extraction reading glasses"
[06:31] <bddebian> ajmitch / \sh: Come on, you two know that is bunk
[06:33] <\sh> hmmm...
[06:34] <\sh> if i read it correct, the line should be this
[06:34] <\sh> (unsinged long) _##eip+=2 (if is_32) or _LWORD(eip) +=2;
[06:35] <\sh> bddebian: well...I'm feeling misrable...I have a shitload of work in the office, because of our IS/ISP move but I want to finish all the outstanding stuff before we release breezy
[06:37] <bddebian> \sh: You do a TON of work for Ubuntu.  Don't feel bad.
[06:37] <ajmitch> a ton more than I do
[06:37] <\sh> bddebian: I do nothing right now for ubuntu...
[06:37] <\sh> I'm playing in the moment the "hey, we have a problem with ubuntu / kubuntu community work" hearings...
[06:37] <bddebian> They should pay you guys just to listen to my dumb ass ;-)
[06:38] <tritium> why, what sounds is it making?
[06:38] <\sh> *poop* ,-)
[06:39] <\sh> bddebian: btw..if you join UBZ take your kids with you...I'll have to buy them a beer ;)
[06:40] <\sh> bddebian: u have to give them also an example, not to become nerds like us ;)
[06:40] <ajmitch> who spend all their waking moments cursing packages
[06:41] <bddebian> \sh: No kidding :-)
[06:43] <\sh> bddebian: serious...I told my son the last time: look, son, you can do whatever you want with the computer, but don't become a nerd like your dad...
[06:44] <\sh> well...I'm happy to report, that he will become a karate and chess nerd
[06:45] <ajmitch> hah
[06:45] <\sh> and a good piano and guitar player
[06:46] <\sh> and I have to buy a present for friday for his birthday
[06:46] <bddebian> :-)
[06:46] <\sh> damn
[06:46] <\sh> this bloody stoopid dosemu
[06:48] <\sh> YES!
[06:48] <\sh> fedora has the same problems with dosemu
[06:48] <ajmitch> hah
[06:48] <ajmitch> you mean gcc 4.0 has the same problems
[06:49] <ajmitch> it's orphaned in debian
[06:49] <\sh> which means no uploads anymore?
[06:50] <ajmitch> which mean noone loves it
[06:50] <bddebian> :-)
[06:50] <\sh> oh well
[06:51] <\sh> how should I play now "leasure suite larry 1"?
[06:51] <ajmitch> apt-get install dosbox
[06:51] <\sh> bah
[06:51] <\sh> apt-get install vice ;)
[06:51] <bddebian> Hehe
[06:51] <\sh> and I play mule
[06:52] <ajmitch> Description: The Versatile Commodore Emulator
[06:52] <ajmitch> ?
[06:52] <\sh> yes
[06:52] <ajmitch> old school ;)
[06:52] <\sh> lda $0a
[06:52] <\sh> sta $D020
[06:52] <\sh> lda $00
[06:52] <\sh> sta $D021
[06:53] <\sh> that's the only thing I remember ;)
[06:53] <\sh> or in basic: poke 53280,10
[06:53] <\sh> poke 53281,0
[06:53] <\sh> means foreground and background color settings ;)
[06:54] <bddebian> Ooohh peek and poke
[06:55] <\sh> wow
[06:55] <\sh> just now I found an old shareware of mine
[06:55] <\sh> UCONV161.ARJ 112.599 11.10.1994 UTICCONV V1.60 FileEcho Konverter von Utic in ProBoard, RemoteAccess, SBBS, Maximus (C) 1994 by Stephan Hermann
[06:55] <ajmitch> scary
[06:55] <\sh> yeah
[06:56] <\sh> that was my merging time to linux
[06:56] <\sh> when I was running a 2 line bbs
[06:56] <\sh> written in borland pascal
[06:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: can you check out http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/libghemical.debdiff for me?
[06:59] <bddebian> LaserJock: I sent myself an e-mail to try it in the morning.  I have GOT to get to bed :-)
[07:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: good night
[07:00] <LaserJock> ok, that's fine, gnight
[07:01] <tritium> good night, bddebian
[07:02] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:02] <bddebian> Thanks again ajmitch and sorry for my density. :-(
[07:07] <\sh> last cigarette before I have to rush to office
[07:13] <\sh> k...rushing to office...laters
[07:34] <Burgundavia> ogra, did somebody from debian gis contact you about getting new gis stuff into Ubuntu?
[07:58] <jmg> re all
[08:07] <jmg> i think ive done enough for one day and should go read rogue trooper :)
[08:12] <\sh> re
[08:12] <ajmitch> wb \sh
[08:22] <\sh> so...all tickets resolved
[08:22] <\sh> (for real life work that is ;))
[08:24] <ajmitch> oh man
[08:24] <ajmitch> I was hoping you were saying that all the universe bugs were fixed :)
[08:24] <\sh> haha
[08:24] <\sh> First I need the money from my real life job to do my ubuntu jobs ;)
[08:24] <hub> yeah
[08:25] <hub> unfortunately
[08:25] <hub> I'm rebuilding a few of my packages on REVU for PowerPC :-)
[08:25] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah I know that feeling
[08:26] <hub> me too
[08:26] <\sh> ajmitch, ask mark ;)
[08:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:26] <jsgotangco> me too
[08:26] <ajmitch> sure, I'll just stop him at UBZ & ask for a job ;)
[08:27] <\sh> why not :)
[08:27] <hub> ajmitch: you'll be at ubz?
[08:27] <\sh> you're young :) you can do that :)
[08:27] <ajmitch> hub: yes
[08:27] <hub> wow
[08:27] <hub> I'll be there too
[08:27] <tseng> ajmitch: oh good
[08:27] <hub> as I'm local
[08:27] <ajmitch> tseng: I gave in
[08:27] <tseng> ajmitch: you can represent Mono Teams twisted agendas
[08:27] <ajmitch> of course I will
[08:28] <tseng> we should have a spec ahead of time, then
[08:28] <tseng> or i could let you write the spec, and then flame you about how worthless the spec is and what a fool you are
[08:28] <ajmitch> right
[08:28] <ajmitch> you'd enjoy that more
[08:28] <tseng> we know that that works well also
[08:29] <ajmitch> and then I'd have the fun of flaming you in return
[08:29] <tseng> exactly, we all win
[08:29] <hub> this laptop is so slow
[08:29] <womble> \sh: I'm having trouble understanding the reasoning behind your patches to php4-sqlite (1.0.2-7ubuntu1).  Can you explain them a bit to me?
[08:29] <ajmitch> hub: what spec is it?
[08:29] <hub> ajmitch: which spec?
[08:29] <ajmitch> the laptop
[08:29] <hub> ajmitch: PowerBook G3/400
[08:30] <ajmitch> ah
[08:30] <hub> 5 years old
[08:30] <ajmitch> that is a little slow :)
[08:30] <hub> well that all I have
[08:30] <hub> my desktop is a 1GHz PIII
[08:30] <\sh> womble, well...if you give me some time...I'll review them...and explain...just being busy with xgsmlib
[08:30] <womble> \sh: kthx
[08:31] <\sh> womble, you mean
[08:31] <\sh>  * debian/control: added new substvar php:Depends
[08:31] <\sh>   * debian/rules: removed dh_makeshlibs
[08:31] <\sh>   * debian/rules: added phpapiver var
[08:32] <womble> \sh: That be the one.  I don't understand why you didn't just take 1.0.2-8 from Debian instead.
[08:32] <womble> \sh: And also why you used php:Depends instead of sticking with misc:Depends.
[08:32] <\sh> womble, cause all our php4 extensions are working with this special substvar...misc:Depends gives the wrong dep
[08:33] <\sh> (because of dh_makeshlibs :()
[08:33] <womble> Why not fix dh_pecl to provide php:Depends then, instead of hacking it into the rules file?
[08:33] <\sh> all the php4 ext packages are depending on php api 2005something and not on the old php-2004something
[08:33] <womble> \sh: That's not due to the name of the substvar, though
[08:34] <womble> That's because the method of defining the API version changed
[08:34] <\sh> womble, cause I was doing all the packages...and I followed the same system...as well regarding infinities advise
[08:34] <\sh> for dapper we will sync them anyways...
[08:34] <womble> \sh: You could have converted them all to use dh_pecl, instead... <grin>
[08:35] <\sh> womble, well...yes, but this way was easier and faster...;)
[08:35] <womble> \sh: But it's a dirty hack.
[08:36] <womble> \sh: I think you're in the wrong channel for those sorts of confessions...
[08:36] <\sh> when I'm regarding my hacks to python-qt3 so it's working correctly
[08:38] <womble> \sh: As long as I know that the changes you made were a quick hack, so I can ignore them and wait for the resync.  -9 removes the shlibs call, and dh_pecl is now fixed to use php-config --phpapiver (as of -8).
[08:38] <\sh> womble, point is, before I trying out new things, I was trying to fix our unmet deps...which is done...so our time is running out...and if a package will be fixed with a small "dirty" hack, it's better then to play with something else
[08:39] <\sh> womble, as for ubuntu itself, php4 was demoted to universe, and php5 is our main focus ... so we have to make sure for dapper, that all the extensions are working with php5
[08:40] <\sh> womble, one question are u working as well on the webapps ml of debian?
[08:40] <Treenaks> \sh: no, for dapper we have to make sure nobody uses php anymore ;)
[08:41] <womble> \sh: I disagree with the assertion that quick hacks are OK due to time constraints.  They're basically just borrowing time from the future, because at some stage those quick hacks have to be dealt with.
[08:41] <\sh> Trashcan, this would be my nightmare
[08:41] <womble> \sh: But moving to php5 in general isn't a bad thing.  Not that anyone *needs* a php5-sqlite...
[08:41] <womble> \sh: I don't think I'm subscribed to that list, no.  I was going to.  Wonder why I didn't...
[08:41] <\sh> womble, actually sqlite is a beast..every single time it's updated, something breaks e.g. amarok ;)
[08:41] <womble> Treenaks: heh
[08:42] <womble> \sh: Unannounced ABI changes?
[08:42] <\sh> womble, I don't know...we updated amarok-1.2.4 to 1.3.1 with a new sqlite, and for many of the users amarok crashed the first time, until they moved their old collection sqlite stuff out of the way
[08:43] <womble> \sh: Sqlite2 to Sqlite3 transition?
[08:43] <\sh> womble, looks like...strange is, that for me it never crashed :(
[08:43] <womble> \sh: Although the database format changes every now and then, it normally tells you about it, rather than crashing.  Perhaps amarok didn't handle the error message gracefully?
[08:46] <\sh> womble, well...this is something I can't tell you, 'cause not all users had the problems...only some...and I don't know why...I've never seen a backtrace, or strace or crash log...whatever..the workaround is known and I think I'll have to create a macro
[08:46] <womble> \sh: That's a bit fruity, indeed.
[08:46] <\sh> anyways..they should use php4-xbase or something like this, because this format never change anymore ;)
[08:46] <womble> \sh: Yeah, that's the answer to your problems... <grin>
[08:48] <\sh> I mean...xbase would be a "dirty" hack ;)
[08:50] <womble> \sh: Hopefully that story ends with "and then I sobered up" or something...
[08:53] <\sh> hmmm..
[08:56] <siretart> morning
[08:56] <siretart> quote of the day: "This option is ignored for compatibility with the AIX version of nm.  It takes one parameter which must be the string 32_64." (taken from the nm manpage)
[08:58] <Treenaks> siretart: omg
[09:01] <hub> yeah
[09:01] <hub> old legacy
[09:03] <\sh> siretart, nice one...well...better then my fun this morning with our as400 guys
[09:03] <\sh> just entered the NOC...and see a big red blinking warning beeping alarm of our cablemaster....which is a as400 application with nasty hacks inside
[09:04] <hub> #mono sounds useless
[09:04] <\sh> our complete ppv ordering was fcked up
[09:04] <Treenaks> \sh: "cable master" ?
[09:05] <\sh> Treenaks, yeah...it's a CRM tool and swiss knife for german cable providers...the company who wrote this piece of shit earns a lot of money
[09:21] <dholbach> good morning
[09:22] <jsgotangco> morning dholbach
[09:22] <dholbach> hey jerome
[09:23] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[09:23] <dholbach> morning andrew :)
[09:49] <Tonio-> morning
[09:50] <dholbach> morning Tonio-
[09:53] <\sh> grmpf
[09:56] <ajmitch> \sh: issues again?
[10:16] <sivang> morning
[10:25] <dholbach> cashel: what's wrong with gnome-devel?
[10:25] <Cashel> Doesnt seem to be a package for 2.12
[10:25] <Cashel> just 2.10
[10:26] <dholbach> yeah, we got it in from debian
[10:26] <Cashel> renamed or something?
[10:26] <dholbach> it's just a meta package, which pulls everything in to give you the GNOME DEVEL experience
[10:26] <dholbach> it doesn't give any functionality
[10:26] <Cashel> uhh
[10:26] <Cashel> so use 2.10 then?
[10:26] <dholbach> and the debian guys didn't change anything on it
[10:27] <dholbach> yeah, that's perfectly fine
[10:27] <Cashel> ahh good
[10:27] <dholbach> it should come to the same in the end
[10:27] <Cashel> cpan is being a pain for me tonight :P
[10:27] <Cashel> thanks for the heads up
[10:27] <dholbach> why that? why don't you download the perl modules through synaptic?
[10:28] <Cashel> I did, still no Gtk.pk so had to go cpan...
[10:28] <Cashel> errr pm
[10:28] <Cashel> i.e.  perl -MCPAN -e 'install Gtk'
[10:29] <dholbach> ?
[10:29] <Cashel> I'm assuming its gnome-devel that provides gnome-config?
[10:30] <dholbach> no
[10:30] <Cashel> Oh crap guess not.. sigh
[10:30] <dholbach> Cashel: gnome-devel is a meta package
[10:30] <dholbach> it contains nothing
[10:30] <dholbach> just dependencies
[10:30] <Cashel> ahh
[10:30] <dholbach> http://packages.ubuntu.com KNOWS
[10:30] <Cashel> any idea what provides gnome-config?
[10:30] <Cashel> ahhh ok
[10:31] <Cashel> shoulda figured the debian style url, lol
[10:31] <dholbach> Cashel: you want libgtk-perl
[10:31] <dholbach> and libgnome-dev
[10:33] <Cashel> I have both for gtk2 .. couldnt find 1.2 packages...
[10:33] <dholbach> at-cache show libgtk-perl
[10:33] <dholbach> Depends: perlapi-5.8.7, perl (>= 5.8.7-3), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6
[10:33] <Cashel> also it seems packages.ubuntu.com doesnt know too much... doesnt seem to list whats provided...
[10:33] <dholbach> libgtk1.2
[10:33] <dholbach> there you go
[10:33] <dholbach> ???
[10:34] <dholbach> i have my information from there
[10:34] <Cashel> at-cache? cool I'll check it out...
[10:34] <dholbach> apt-cache
[10:34] <dholbach> sorry
[10:34] <Cashel> ahh
[10:35] <Cashel> already newest version...
[10:35] <Cashel> still says cant locate Gtk.pm .. sigh..
[10:36] <Cashel> wish I could rem what I did in hoary.. dont remember having a problem tho....
[10:37] <dholbach> look if you have usr/lib/perl5/Gtk.pm
[10:37] <Cashel> nope just Gtk2.pm
[10:38] <Cashel> think I could get away with a ln -s ?
[10:38] <dholbach> then install libgtk-perl please
[10:38] <Cashel> I'll be darned
[10:39] <Cashel> its comming down...
[10:39] <dholbach> man did you read, what i said?
 Cashel: you want libgtk-perl
[10:39] <dholbach> some minutes ago already
[10:39] <dholbach> :)
[10:40] <Cashel> yeah I went through synaptic and didnt find it... I dont know whats up w/ me tonight sorry
[10:40] <Cashel> s'what I get for using a gui I suppose...
[10:40] <dholbach> don't worry
[10:40] <dholbach> hope your stuff works after that
[10:40] <Cashel> yeah seems to be clean now thanks a ton
[10:40] <dholbach> :)
[10:41] <Cashel> I have to say you ubuntu devel folks are doing a kick arse job
[10:41] <Cashel> all the dependability of debian but more up to date, gotta love it
[10:41] <Cashel> .. not that you cant update debian, but when the works already done for you... :)
[10:49] <dholbach> hey lucas
[10:49] <lucas> hi
[10:50] <ajmitch> hi
[10:50] <jsgotangco> elo
[10:50] <zyga> hi
[10:50] <dholbach> we collected information on our team on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> yay, another soon-to-be-DD
[10:51] <dholbach> but you're also free to ask as much as you like :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> as a DD, people look up to you & gaze on you in awe.. or at least that's what they told us :P
[10:52] <dholbach> ajmitch: as a MOTU, you have a WAY cooler title :-p
[10:52] <ajmitch> oh sure
[10:53] <ajmitch> I'm sure I'll put "Master of the Universe" on my business cards
[10:53] <jsgotangco> take it from he man himself
[10:53] <dholbach> haha
[10:53] <dholbach> "Master of the Universe" looks good in a CV, doesn't it?
[10:53] <ajmitch> sure
[10:54] <dholbach> dunno how pleased the boss of the company will be for working with a master of the universe at his side, but it definitely LOOKs cool
[10:54] <jsgotangco> I bet you've put that in your CV
[10:54] <ajmitch> dholbach: well it's worth more to whoever hires me that I can upload to main
[10:54] <ajmitch> with the ubuntu partner program & all :)
[10:54] <dholbach> hehe
[10:55] <jsgotangco> how does that work?
[10:55] <ajmitch> 10 points for a fulltime employee who's a main uploader
[10:55] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/program
[10:55] <jsgotangco> shucks
[10:55] <ajmitch> hmm
[10:55] <ajmitch> I wonder if I'm even close to top 100 launchpad users
[10:56] <ajmitch> since we all know I'm certifiable
[10:56] <dholbach> oh ROCK
[10:56] <ajmitch> no, but it'd look cool :)
[10:57] <jsgotangco> your activities speak for itself
[10:57] <ajmitch> my irc lurking?
[10:57] <ajmitch> yeah, says a lot about me
[10:57] <Lathiat> certifiably crazy maybe :)
[10:58] <ajmitch> Lathiat: of course
[10:58] <lucas> oh, there's no MOTURuby ?
[10:58] <zyga> ruby?
[10:58] <zyga> did I hear ruby?
[10:58] <ajmitch> lucas: no, feel free to start one
[10:58] <dholbach> yeah that'd be awesome
[10:58] <ajmitch> lucas: as a soon-to-be-DD, your input would be valuable :)
[10:58] <ajmitch> lucas: although with debian, 'soon' could be > 1 year
[10:58] <lucas> ajmitch: "soon"
[10:59] <lucas> yes ;)
[10:59] <dholbach> some users complain about alexandria and i never have a clue what to tell them
[10:59] <ajmitch> lucas: it doesn't take nearly as long with ubuntu :)
[10:59] <Lathiat> if someone wants to start a moturuby i'm in
[11:00] <zyga> who does ruby around here? :)
[11:00] <Lathiat> me :)
[11:00] <jsgotangco> rarely
[11:00] <lucas> Lathiat, zyga : I'm interested, but will be quite busy until the end of october
[11:01] <zyga> Lathiat, lucas: does either of you know ruby source code?
[11:01] <lucas> zyga: how big is your diff ?
[11:01] <zyga> lucas: moment
[11:01] <dholbach> lucas, Lathiat, zyga: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby
[11:02] <dholbach> lucas: i'm quite sure you guys will ROCK
[11:02] <Lathiat> zyga: no
[11:03] <zyga> lucas: 4.1 megs
[11:03] <zyga> lucas: I'm not good at debdiffs though ;] 
[11:03] <Lathiat> nice, whats this for?
[11:04] <zyga> ruby comes in debian + tar.gz and debdiff probably chokes on that
[11:04] <Cashel> yeah.. alexandria doesnt apt-get install, just hangs for me...
[11:04] <lucas> zyga: how do I reproduce your bug ?
[11:04] <zyga> lucas: pull my package from REVU, run
[11:04] <lucas> your package ?
[11:05] <zyga> lucas: it needs libzoom-ruby1.8, also in REVU
[11:05] <zyga> lucas: I packaged alexandria .0.6.1
[11:05] <lucas> ok
[11:05] <Cashel> ahhh seems to install nm :P
[11:06] <zyga> Cashel: alexandria in the universe repo works, that's the older version
[11:06] <Cashel> ahh yeah I noticed..
[11:06] <Cashel> heard good things about it, now that I see it, its not what I wanted, hehehe figures
[11:16] <dooglus> where should I report bugs with multiverse packages?
[11:16] <ajmitch> malone
[11:16] <dooglus> same place as for universe?
[11:16] <ajmitch> yes
[11:17] <dooglus> thanks
[11:18] <dooglus> ugh.  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug redirects me to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug/+login , but when I try to log in, it tells me "you're already logged in".
[11:26] <siretart> \sh: is it possible that there is something wrong with the domain servers of jabberme.net?
[11:26] <\sh> yes...
[11:27] <\sh> siretart, I'm just updating my domains to a bloody new secondary...stoopid schlund ;)
[11:27] <siretart> oh. okay
[11:27] <\sh> siretart, but you should get it
[11:27] <siretart> okay. was just confused
[11:27] <\sh> siretart, what's not working?
[11:29] <\sh> i hate schlund
[11:31] <slomo> re
[11:37] <dholbach> hey slomo
[11:37] <dholbach> slomo: we now have a MOTURuby team
[11:37] <slomo> oh wonderfull... so they can start on writing a dh_ruby =) who are they?
[11:38] <dholbach> slomo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby
[11:38] <\sh> siretart, runs again
[11:38] <slomo> :
[11:38] <slomo> :)
[12:00] <ajmitch> sleep time
[12:00] <ajmitch> night all
[12:01] <slomo> gn8
[12:03] <dholbach> sleep tight ajmitch
[12:03] <sivang> night ajmitch
[12:11] <ivoks> hi
[12:11] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[12:11] <ivoks> he hey!
[12:12] <ivoks> eh, Barry, Barry :)
[12:21] <siretart> \sh: jepp, works fine now
[01:13] <dholbach> who wants to fix verbiste on amd64?
[01:13] <slomo> what's the problem with it?
[01:14] <dholbach> not installable on amd64
[01:14] <dholbach> because it installs some crack that's also in locales package
[01:14] <dholbach> must be a broken m4 script or something
[01:14] <slomo> hm... why only on amd64?
[01:14] <dholbach> dunno
[01:14] <slomo> i'll take a look
[01:15] <dholbach> slomo: did you have your exam already?
[01:17] <slomo> sure... otherwise i wouldn't work on this now ;) went fine imho... but the exam was really strange
[01:17] <slomo> is there a bug open for verbiste?
[01:17] <dholbach> ROCK
[01:17] <dholbach> no, none open
[01:17] <slomo> ok, where did you get the info from? ;)
[01:17] <dholbach> tried to install it ;)
[01:17] <dholbach> but ages ago
[01:17] <dholbach> and discussed with seb about it
[01:18] <slomo> ok ;)
[01:18] <dholbach> and we figured that something was wrong with the m4 scripts shipped with it
[01:18] <dholbach> but then i did something else and forgot about it
[01:18] <dholbach> :)
[01:18] <slomo> hehe ok
[01:18] <slomo> it is installable on x86... hm
[01:19] <lucas> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo, what's "MOM" in "MOM merging!" ? :)
[01:19] <dholbach> merge-o-matic :)
[01:19] <Lathiat> merge-o-matic
[01:19] <lucas> ok
[01:19] <slomo> dholbach: verbiste-gnome or verbiste? or both?
[01:20] <ogra> lucas, search for "merge" in bugzila, every MOM bug has a link to MOM
[01:21] <lucas> ok
[01:21] <dholbach> slomo: both, they try to overwrite /usr/share/locale/locale.alias
[01:21] <slomo> dholbach: ok, found the problem ;)
[01:22] <dholbach> slomo!!! :)
[01:22] <slomo> dholbach: found, not fixed ;) what about a small hack which removes locale.aliases from the package by simply deleting it when it's there? or do we want something smarter? ;)
[01:23] <ivoks> help :)
[01:23] <slomo> btw... usr/share/locale/locale.alias				    base/locales,utils/zhcon [universe] ,text/verbiste [universe] ,devel/doc++ [universe] ,misc/belocs-locales-data [universe] 
[01:23] <slomo> these all need fixing
[01:23] <dholbach> yeah, they all seem to ship the same broken m4 stuff
[01:23] <slomo> ok, i'll try to create a generic fix and debdiffs for the main stuff ;)
[01:25] <slomo> dholbach: when there are any bugs about this just assign them to me... all my other bugs need more info or fixing upstream ;)
[01:26] <dholbach> slomo: was not a regular bug report, i just found it while trying to install it :)
[01:26] <slomo> dholbach: oh i'm blind... it's all universe ;)
[01:26] <ivoks> how to edit initrd.im? :))
[01:26] <slomo> ivoks: unpack it, repack it ;)
[01:26] <ivoks> slomo: its  Linux Compressed ROM File System data
[01:26] <slomo> ivoks: zcat initrd.img | cpio -i
[01:27] <slomo> ivoks: for unpacking... for creating you must do something harder ;)
[01:27] <slomo> ivoks: when there's something broken talk to jbailey
[01:27] <ivoks> hm..
[01:27] <ivoks> nope..
[01:27] <ivoks> it isn't .gz
[01:28] <ivoks> it's  Linux Compressed ROM File System data
[01:28] <ivoks> cramfs
[01:28] <slomo> and you can unpack it with the command i gave you
[01:28] <ivoks> nope
[01:28] <slomo> sure... works wonderfull here ;)
[01:28] <ivoks> hm
[01:29] <ivoks> zcat: initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686-smp: not in gzip format
[01:29] <ivoks> slomo: your initrd isn't cramfs
[01:29] <slomo> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-9-k7: gzip compressed data, from Unix, max compression
[01:29] <slomo> ok ;)
[01:29] <ivoks> yep, that's not it
[01:29] <slomo> you don't use the initramfs stuff?
[01:30] <ivoks> this is ubuntu's kernel
[01:30] <ivoks> apt-get install linux-image-686-smp
[01:30] <ivoks> on hoary
[01:30] <ivoks> it produced cramfs
[01:30] <slomo> oh hoary... don't ask me ;)
[01:30] <ivoks> ah.. well...
[01:34] <mikhail^> there's no maintainer for longrun in Universe>
[01:34] <mikhail^> ?
[01:37] <Lathiat> does the deskbar applet have a keyboard shortcut?
[01:38] <ivoks> Lathiat: great tool, ha? :)
[01:38] <Lathiat> well, mine seems a bit buggy
[01:38] <Lathiat> it tries to expadn itself to make it as big as possible
[01:39] <ivoks> it is too big...
[01:40] <Lathiat> ?
[01:44] <Lathiat> oops
[01:45] <ivoks> teacher wanted my phone number
[01:45] <ivoks> so he could call me whenever he wants...
[01:45] <Lathiat> told him to stick it?
[01:45] <ivoks> naturally, i didn't want to give it...
[01:45] <ivoks> then he said that he will do everything that i don't work anymore on faculty
[01:45] <ivoks> i said "ok"
[01:46] <ivoks> :)
[01:46] <Lathiat> heh
[01:46] <Lathiat> wtf
[01:46] <Lathiat> he can't do that
[01:46] <ivoks> stopid idiot
[01:46] <ivoks> eh, he's an asshole
[01:46] <Lathiat> go drop a 10 tonne shipment of ubuntu cds on top of him
[01:49] <ivoks> heh
[01:49] <ivoks> he said he will try everything, probably, not succeed :)
[01:51] <Kyral> Good morning MOTU people
[01:52] <mikhail^> how do I "adopt" longrun in universe?
[01:52] <dholbach> mikhail^: there's no need to, we do team maintenance
[01:52] <dholbach> mikhail^: but if you want to push fixes for it, excellent
[01:53] <mikhail^> dholbach: oh, okay... so who then can "patch in" my fixes/enhancements?
[01:53] <mikhail^> dholbach: forwarding it upstream is a little... slow.
[01:53] <dholbach> mikhail^: you can prepare the fixed package and any MOTU can sponsor your upload
[01:53] <mikhail^> dholbach: hmmm... I already have the source package built here...
[01:53] <mikhail^> dholbach: I also have the debdiff in the ubuntu-devel mailing list.
[01:54] <mikhail^> dholbach: and I've uploaded the debdiff in three places.
[01:54] <dholbach> mikhail^: if nobody answered it's usually a sign for people not knowing the codebase good enough
[01:55] <mikhail^> dholbach: oh well... so any way for anyone to help me contribute to the community? ;)
[01:56] <mikhail^> dholbach: i've filed the enhancement upstream at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331198
[01:57] <mikhail^> dholbach: then there's a bug in malone (with the patch) just a while ago, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/longrun/+bug/2865
[01:58] <mikhail^> i mean, bug i filed in malone.
[01:58] <dholbach> mikhail^: ok super, so it won't get lost
[01:59] <mikhail^> dholbach: however I've already buit the source package here... would that be better than the debdiff?
[02:00] <dholbach> no, debdiff is perfect
[02:00] <dholbach> OK, WHO in here starts off the MOTU Security team?
[02:00] <mikhail^> dholbach: neat. thanks. :D
[02:02] <dholbach> my mailbox is full of mails from debian-security-announce and some of the packages require a sync from debian to make sure breezy release is safe
[02:02] <Lathiat> dholbach: yo
[02:02] <Lathiat> dholbach: i did a couple things, was planning on doing more
[02:02] <Lathiat> dholbach: send me details?
[02:03] <Lathiat> i've been meaning to attack pitti's cve list
[02:03] <Lathiat> altho he was mostly doing breezy stuff
[02:05] <ivoks> odd
[02:05] <ivoks> xfce reads .bashrc
[02:05] <ivoks> but not .bash_profile
[02:06] <dholbach> Lathiat: super. i added 2 links to MOTUSecurity - we should review pitti's list and look at debian-security-announce to be sure we didn't forget stuff to sync
[02:07] <Lathiat> alright i'll check it out
[02:07] <Lathiat> just doing real work right this second :)
[02:07] <dholbach> oh... i won't stop you from doing it :)
[02:07] <Lathiat> i should subscribe to DSA
[02:08] <Lathiat> and have done so now :)
[02:08] <dholbach> yeah, it's not that MUCH of traffic
[02:08] <dholbach> and we should revamp the MOTUSecurity page a bit
[02:08] <Lathiat> looks like a few a day
[02:09] <Lathiat> i can deal with that
[02:09] <Lathiat> im interested anyway
[02:09] <dholbach> only the last weeks
[02:09] <dholbach> last 2 weeks
[02:09] <Lathiat> i used to be subscribed not shure what happened
[02:09] <dholbach> hm
[02:09] <dholbach> i'll be back later
[02:31] <slomo> hmm... why is the language-* stuff always been built when i wait for one of my uploads to compile? ;)
[02:54] <slomo> dholbach: see breezy-changes for the french package ;)
[02:55] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[02:55] <dholbach> super!
[02:55] <slomo> and now the other packages ;)
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:12] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:16] <slomo> dholbach: all 3 done :)
[03:34] <bddebian> Hmm, everyone must be busy bug-fixing and fixing broken packages... ;-)
[03:53] <zakame> hi all!
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[03:56] <zakame> bddebian: I've sorted out the build-deps of lighttpd, they're a lot :))
[03:56] <zakame> time to build the baz archives
[03:57] <bddebian> Nice
[04:38] <dholbach> slomo: hank you :))))
[05:24] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:25] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[05:25] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[05:28] <spayne> hi all
[05:29] <sistpoty> hi spacey
[05:29] <sistpoty> spayne even ;)
[05:29] <bddebian> Heya spayne
[05:29] <spayne> i keep having good intentions
[05:30] <spayne> to fix some packages
[05:30] <spayne> and i get onto other stuff
[05:30] <spayne> what is the Wiki page again (sigh)
[05:30] <bipolar> *cough*gnucash*cough*
[05:30] <bipolar> I'm about to hang myself
[05:30] <ogra> bipolar, not before you uploaded the fix please :)
[05:31] <bddebian> bipolar: I am uploading now
[05:31] <bipolar> ogra, there is no freeking way i'm going to be able to get .11 working and in a proper debian package.
[05:31] <bipolar> bddebian, you're kidding me....
[05:31] <bddebian> Nope, just synced from Debian this morning
[05:31] <sistpoty> spayne: UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:32] <bipolar> bddebian, thank you. I'll put the shotgun away now....
[05:32] <bddebian> bipolar: I still have a couple of deps to fix quick though
[05:32] <bipolar> bddebian, I hope if fixes the qfx/ofx importing problem.
[05:32] <bipolar> s/if/it
[05:32] <bddebian> bipolar: That's one of the reasons I brought it in
[05:32] <bipolar> bddebian, you're my hero
[05:36] <spayne> bddebian: i can't actually see any packages that need doing
[05:36] <ogra> spayne, used the command from top of the page ?
[05:37] <bddebian> spayne: There's probably some easier stuff on Malone.  MOst of what is left on UnmetDeps is pretty screwed up
[05:37] <bddebian> bipolar: :-)
[05:38] <spayne> bddebian: URL for malone? it is launchpad?
[05:39] <bddebian> spayne: Aye http://launchpad.ubuntu.com
[05:41] <bipolar> bddebian, please let me know as soon as I can install the new gnucash.
[05:41] <bddebian> bipolar: I'm working on the build-deps now so hopefully soon
[05:42] <bipolar> :D
[05:42] <bipolar> I sitll cant beleve how horrible gnucash is to build
[05:42] <bipolar> it's a nightmare
[05:42] <bddebian> Yes, it is
[05:43] <zyga> bipolar: hi
[05:43] <zyga> bipolar: what's horrible about it?
[05:43] <bipolar> I hope they get the gtk2 version up soon too. gnucash is the uglest thing on my thing.
[05:43] <bipolar> zyga, the dependancys.
[05:43] <bddebian> Ugliest thing on your thing?? ;-)
[05:43] <ogra> bipolar, pfft.... build gcompris or poker3d ...
[05:44] <zyga> bipolar: /me looks
[05:44] <bipolar> bddebian, s/thing/laptop
[05:44] <bipolar> ogra, heh...
[05:44] <zyga> lot's of old gnome/gtk
[05:44] <zyga> s/'//
[05:44] <bipolar> ok. lunchtime... bbiab
[06:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Uploaded your patch
[06:05] <LaserJock> did it look ok? I was my first one
[06:05] <bddebian> Worked perfect
[06:06] <LaserJock> ok great. So I am sometimes useful ;-) I was beginning to think i was just a complainer
[06:09] <LaserJock> Thanks for all your help bddebian. I can now use ghemical for work, I was beginning to think I was going to have to install another distro
[06:10] <LaserJock> My boss needs me to get some computation chemistry work done so we can get a paper published
[06:10] <bddebian> Awesome
[06:12] <LaserJock> I gotta get to work, but thanks again bddebian. Ubuntu rocks again!
[06:21] <sistpoty> <- off to movies... cya
[06:29] <\sh> ogra: ping
[06:29] <ogra> \sh, pong
[06:30] <\sh> ogra: do u know when I was approved as member?
[06:30] <ogra> not really
[06:30] <ogra> but you blogged it ;)
[06:31] <\sh> hmm...20 may...tuesday before was the 17...but I don't find the correct logs anymore
[06:35] <\sh> found it
[06:37] <bipolar> bddebian, hows it goin'?
[06:41] <bddebian> bipolar: Waiting on libchipcard2-dev, then libaqbanking
[06:47] <bipolar> bddebian, k. thanks for the work on this. I know it's a pain. :) much kudos
[06:48] <bddebian> bipolar: Well let's hope it all works before dishing out any kudos ;-)
[06:48] <bipolar> I'm happy to test it :) it cant really be worse.
[06:49] <clark_ma> hey anyone have an idea about trading stocks ?
[06:49] <dreamwave> i've got a laptop failing in the install process.  i think it has something to do with switching to the frambuffer in the install.  the laptop is a compaq presario 1920 (it has a wopping 64mb ram).
[06:49] <dredg> clark_ma: yeah. i hear google.com can answer damn near anything
[06:49] <dreamwave> looks like /usr/share/debconf/frontend is crashing.  or /sbin/debian-installer is crashing.
[06:49] <hub> dholbach: all the package I have upload on REVU have been built in PPC
[06:49] <dholbach> hub: ROCK
[06:49] <jamessan|work> dreamwave: pretty sure you can tell it not to use the framebuffer when it starts up. check the help options when you go to boot off the cd
[06:50] <dholbach> hub: will check on amd64 later tonight
[06:50] <dreamwave> jamessan, i'll check again.
[06:50] <hub> dholbach: I would do amd64 if I had the hardware :-/
[06:50] <dholbach> hub: i completely understand
[06:50] <dholbach> hub: i will mail you the buildlogs
[06:50] <hub> dholbach: cool
[06:53] <dreamwave> jamessan, the F5 screen mentions using vga=771.  i even tried VGA=normal.  then, just before the language configuration, it switches to a frame buffer.  i can make the language selections, but then, just before it would go to the first step of install, the screen repeatedly goes white and blanks.  i all see the word "Killed" briefly after each blank.
[06:54] <dreamwave> i tried nofb but that didn't work either
[06:54] <bddebian> Does anyone have a problem running d4x??  Malone #2852.  This is the second post and there are 3 threads on ubuntuforums about it.  I cannot reproduce it.
[07:06] <\sh> d4x?
[07:07] <bddebian> \sh: Some download manager
[07:08] <\sh> hmmm....let me check it when I finished my report
[07:08] <bddebian> NP thx
[07:09] <\sh> bddebian: well...you will be excited when you read my report :)
[07:09] <bddebian> I will?
[07:09] <\sh> yes
[07:09] <bddebian> What kind of report?
[07:09] <\sh> bddebian: you can read it later :)
[07:09] <\sh> w8 :)
[07:10] <bddebian> I didn't miss another MOTU meeting did I???
[07:11] <\sh> no
[07:12] <ogra> bddebian, next one is post release
[07:19] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[07:29] <\sh> wow...
[07:29] <\sh> done
[07:29] <\sh> I think I break the planet
[07:30] <bddebian> \sh: w00t
[07:31] <\sh> come on s9y...save the bloody post ;)
[07:32] <\sh> http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[07:32] <\sh> yeah the longest post I ever wrote
[07:32] <\sh> now for d4x
[07:32] <ryu> re
[07:34] <spayne> hey all
[07:35] <\sh> bddebian: i can't reproduce it either
[07:43] <lucas> zyga, Lathiat : ping
[07:43] <zyga> lucas: pong
[07:43] <dholbach> lucas: i'm happy you get cracking in the team like that :)
[07:44] <zyga> dholbach: ruby team :) ?
[07:44] <lucas> zyga: I started working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby
[07:44] <lucas> you might want to subscribe
[07:44] <lucas> (to the wiki page)
[07:44] <zyga> checking
[07:45] <zyga> hmm
[07:45] <zyga> who handles the wiki
[07:46] <zyga> the message I got after subscribing was (translated back to english form polish) 'thank you for unsubscribing'
[07:46] <lucas> maybe you were subscribed then ;)
[07:47] <zyga> lucas: no :)
[07:47] <zyga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby?action=subscribe
[07:47] <zyga> that's my url - I've just subscribed
[07:47] <lucas> yes, but the unsubscribe address is the same one
[07:47] <jkrogh> Isn't there anyone with enough perl-packaging knowledge to start a MOTUPerl team... then I'll be happy to give a hand.
[07:50] <\sh> thinks even ;)
[07:51] <lucas> is there a way to get version numbers in debian unstable, ubuntu "unstable" and ubuntu "stable" on a single page somewher ?
[07:51] <dholbach> jkrogh: that's excellent news
[07:51] <bddebian> lucas: http://packages.debian.org
[07:51] <bddebian> lucas: Ohh, nm
[07:51] <tseng> write a script
[07:51] <crimsun> you could script it
[07:52] <lucas> I think that would be useful
[07:52] <lucas> to have this somewhere
[07:52] <crimsun> I end up loading the Debian and Ubuntu changelogs along with the Debian BTS anyhow
[07:53] <lucas> crimsun: yup, but a web page summarizing this, with the good links, would be useful
[07:53] <bddebian> \sh: You are on crack ;-)
[07:53] <crimsun> lucas: absolutely
[07:53] <\sh> bddebian: this wiki page wasn't my idea :)
[07:53] <lucas> my script to get the list of packages MOTURUby has to take care of gives me 85 source packages
[07:54] <lucas> that's quite a lot
[07:54] <\sh> bddebian: and I doesn't even drink a beer
[07:54] <bddebian> :-)
[07:54] <\sh> I don't / didn't
[07:54] <\sh> bah
[08:03] <ivoks> hey all!
[08:03] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[08:03] <ivoks> hey bddebian
[08:03] <\sh> hola ivoks :)
[08:03] <ivoks> ho ho \sh :)
[08:03] <ivoks> bddebian: :))
[08:03] <ivoks> bddebian: mlterm conflicter :)
[08:04] <bddebian> ??
[08:04] <ivoks> ah, never mind...
[08:04] <bddebian> Did I screw up mlterm?
[08:04] <ivoks> yup :)
[08:04] <ivoks> no big deal, i fixed it
[08:04] <bddebian> What'd I change?
[08:04] <ivoks> mlterm-common installs icon
[08:04] <bddebian> Doh
[08:04] <ivoks> so, you changed mlterm to provide that same icon :)
[08:05] <bddebian> See \sh, I'm stupid :-)
[08:05] <ivoks> :)
[08:05] <ivoks> no, you aren't!
[08:05] <ivoks> you are great guy
[08:05] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod
[08:05] <ivoks> i wish i have so much time to help you more
[08:05] <ivoks> :)
[08:06] <ivoks> last edited 2005-10-05 20:02:44 by Bddebian
[08:06] <ivoks> :>
[08:07] <ivoks> since i solved some issues with my folks :)
[08:08] <\sh> ivoks: means? ,-)
[08:08] <\sh> *rotfl*
[08:08] <\sh> bddebian: cheater ,-)
[08:09] <ivoks> \sh: ?
[08:10] <\sh> ivoks: he flooded the page with lies ;-)
[08:10] <ivoks> :)
[08:14] <bddebian> \sh: Bah :-)
[08:15] <bddebian> How the hell do I set PKG_CONFIG_PATH prior to running autogen.sh?
[08:15] <ivoks> i hate autogen
[08:16] <bddebian> Does anyone like anything?? :-)
[08:16] <ivoks> as one my coworker said "Microsoft must be paying autoconf/automake guys"
[08:17] <bddebian> bipolar: I don't know WTF is up with libchipcard2???
[08:17] <bddebian> And I can't get infinity or lamont
[08:19] <siretart> hrhr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BddebianIsAGod?action=diff
[08:20] <siretart> bddebian: looking at -changes, you definitly rock!
[08:20] <bipolar> :\
[08:20] <bipolar> bddebian, you need a newer version?
[08:21] <bddebian> bipolar: It's waiting to build the newer version but I don't know why
[08:21] <bddebian> siretart: Nah, ivoks has to come back and fix all my fixes ;-P
[08:21] <bipolar> bddebian, it's constapated?
[08:21] <bddebian> bipolar: Aye ;-)
[08:25] <\sh> siretart: you read my post on the planet? I mentioned it now to the public that barry rocks da world :)
[08:25] <tseng> anyone know anything about mod_auth_ldap
[08:25] <tseng> and where it is in debian
[08:38] <ivoks> TB in 2 hours,, right?
[08:39] <\sh> what?
[08:39] <\sh> TB was postponed yesterday
[08:39] <\sh> I think to thursday?
[08:39] <ivoks> could be... :)
[08:40] <\sh> I propose 2000 UTC on Thursday, October 6th.  Can either of you attend at
[08:40] <\sh> that time?
[08:40] <\sh> --  - mdz
[08:40] <ivoks> ah, ok
[09:12] <jkrogh> Where should I start to read if I have some perl packages I'd like to have in "universe"?
[09:12] <jkrogh> .. in order to get them packaged correctly, verified and included (hopefully :-)
[09:12] <dholbach> jkrogh: best way is to   apt-get source   similar stuff
[09:12] <dholbach> then have a look at PackagingTips on the wiki
[09:12] <dholbach> then start packaging
[09:13] <dholbach> then get it on REVU (wiki/REVU)
[09:13] <dholbach> then get it reviewed and included :)
[09:13] <siretart> TB? today?
[09:14] <jkrogh> I read about REVU, is it working? .. it is stated "experimental" on the wiki.
[09:14] <siretart> jkrogh: http://revu.tauware.de - surf and see ;)
[09:15] <siretart> jkrogh: it's maintenance is rather experimental, but thats mainly our (my) problem ;)
[09:15] <ivoks> jesus... no-ip.com
[09:16] <jkrogh> Ok... I'll get to work :-)
[09:16] <lamont__> bddebian: libchipcard2 is NEW
[09:17] <bddebian> lamont__: Really?
[09:18] <lamont__> buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.* shows it Uploaded.  so either it just built, or it's NEW
[09:18] <jkrogh> I'd like to give the Catalyst packages from http://pkg-catalyst.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl + dependencies a short. Anyone aware of others doing the same?
[09:18] <bddebian> lamont__: but: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libc/libchipcard2/1.9.14.99+1.9.15beta-1/
[09:19] <jkrogh> s/short/shot/
[09:19] <lamont__> universe/misc/libchipcard2_1.9.14.99+1.9.15beta-1: Uploaded by buildd+ross [optional:out-of-date] 
[09:19] <bddebian> lamont__: I know, I saw that, that's why I'm confused :-)
[09:19] <lamont__> if the binaries are Uploaded, and cron.daily has run, then they are NEW
[09:20] <lamont__> or deliver debs with a lower version than something already in the archive.
[09:20] <bddebian> lamont__: OK fair enough. Thx
[09:20] <lamont__> but not the second case here
[09:21] <bddebian> It shouldn't be new either afaict
[09:22] <lamont__>  74452029384926ba2d7cd4fe7c1852c5 41754 misc extra libchipcard2-libgwenhywfar17-plugins_1.9.14.99+1.9.15beta-1_i386.deb
[09:22] <lamont__> is not in the overrides.  kthxbyte
[09:24] <bddebian> lamont__: I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to understand
[09:25] <dholbach> zyga: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/devel/bazaar
[09:26] <lamont__> bddebian: np
[09:27] <lamont__> bddebian: see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices/
[09:30] <bddebian> lamont__: If it's in there it means it's new?
[09:31] <lamont__> if there is a binary not listed in there, then it'll wait until the package is added by elmo
[09:31] <lamont__> at which point, it'll be not-new
[09:31] <lamont__> (NEW == "not found in the overrides file")
[09:31] <lamont__> s/file/files/
[09:38] <bddebian> lamont__: So that one binary is new from the libchipcard2 source package?  (Sorry I know I am being dense).
[09:38] <lamont__> yes
[09:39] <bddebian> phew, thx
[09:39] <lamont__> rather, at least that one is new... I didn't look deep
[09:39] <bddebian> Fair enough, at least I "get-it" now. :-)
[09:47] <bipolar> bddebian, what does that mean? :)
[09:48] <bddebian> bipolar: We have to wait until someone approves those binaries as new
[09:49] <bipolar> bah!
[09:50] <ajmitch> morning
[09:50] <bipolar> afternoon
[09:50] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:59] <zyga> dholbach: I want bazaar-ng then :)
[10:00] <dholbach> man, are you ALWAYS complaining about something?
[10:00] <dholbach> :-p
[10:00] <bddebian> More than ME? ;-P
[10:01] <zyga> dholbach: nah I alwasy need to be on the bleeding edge
[10:01] <zyga> dholbach: too bad my main system is runinng of an ancient scsi 500MB HDD
[10:01] <dholbach> "I want bazaar!" ... "FUCK, we have bazaar? Then I want bazaar-ng!" ... "Oh wait... we have it? Then give me bazaar-royal-deluxe-2000"
[10:01] <zyga> dholbach: LOL :D
[10:02] <zyga> no bzr for hoary :/
[10:05] <zyga> dholbach: for distributing arch independent stuff should I use any or all as arch?
[10:05] <dholbach> zyga: if it's really arch independent...
[10:05] <dholbach> then all
[10:05] <dholbach> any gets built on all 4 archs
[10:05] <ajmitch> no, you want bzr.newformat.asweaves for real COTD
[10:06] <dholbach> ogra: ycombe * gcompris/ (ChangeLog src/boards/memory.c): fix a stupid bug causing crash in memory_tux.
[10:06] <zyga> dholbach: hmm I did dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa and I got igrate-po-file_1.0.1-1_i386.changes
[10:06] <zyga> why i386?
[10:06] <dholbach> because you build it on an i386?
[10:06] <ogra> dholbach, ??
[10:06] <zyga> okay :)
[10:06] <dholbach> ogra: was a recent cvs message, thought you'd want to know
[10:07] <ivoks> every day is bugday :)
[10:07] <ogra> dholbach, yes, thats already in ;)
[10:07] <dholbach> ogra: it was JUST (1 minute ago)
[10:07] <ogra> dholbach, yves is in #edubuntu ;)
[10:07] <dholbach> rock
[10:07] <ogra> dholbach, mdz would kill me if i made *any* change to this package ...
[10:08] <ogra> hey ajmitch
[10:08] <ivoks> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - i can't reproduce this one :)
[10:09] <ivoks> ogra: good luck
[10:10] <zyga> dholbach: why does dpkg-buildpackage want to sign .i386.changes?
[10:10] <zyga>  signfile ../migrate-po-file_1.0.1-1_i386.changes
[10:10] <zyga> cat: ../migrate-po-file_1.0.1-1_i386.changes: No such file or directory
[10:10] <dholbach> because you build it on an i386?
[10:11] <zyga> dholbach: hmm I did dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa
[10:11] <zyga> I want it to sign source.changes, not some nonexisting i386.changes
[10:11] <dholbach> no *source.changes?
[10:12] <zyga> dholbach: it's there - it just doesn't get signed
[10:12] <dholbach> hrm
[10:12] <ivoks> ?
[10:13] <zyga> maybe I've borked control file
[10:13] <zyga> never mind...
[10:14] <ivoks> dholbach: you'll fix instabul?
[10:14] <dholbach> ivoks: i have quite a lot of things to do atm
[10:14] <ivoks> dholbach: ok, i just ask, since you assigned to your self :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> ivoks: what is wrong with it?
[10:15] <ivoks> ajmitch: out of the box it will crash on slower procs
[10:15] <ivoks> since it encodes on-fly
[10:16] <ivoks> or this bug isn't related to that :)
[10:26] <sebest> beagle doesn't search in application?
[10:28] <sebest> it was disabled in breezy to browse for application launchers?
[10:31] <spayne> hey ho
[10:31] <spayne> i've been looking through malone
[10:31] <spayne> is there a way to search for universe bugs only?
[10:32] <bddebian> spayne: 90% of them are Universe only
[10:32] <dholbach> assigned to MOTU should be good
[10:47] <TMM> anyone here running breezy that wants to look for me what the default keycode is for 'sleep' in system > preferences > keyboard shortcuts > sleep ?
[10:48] <ivoks> ?
[10:48] <ivoks> 0xdf
[10:51] <TMM> thanks
[10:58] <ivoks> lol
[11:01] <bipolar> time to go home. later all!
[11:16] <whiprush> morning ajmitch
[11:16] <whiprush> question for you.
[11:16] <ajmitch> yessir?
[11:16] <whiprush> except for the obvious ones, can you think of any universe app that's a hidden gem?
[11:16] <whiprush> I've got the obvious ones like f-spot and stuff.
[11:16] <ajmitch> you know I was going to say f-spo
[11:17] <whiprush> heh
[11:17] <tseng> hi
[11:18] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[11:19] <dholbach> whiprush: fillets-ng, xblast-tnt, glom, ding for me :)
[11:19] <whiprush> ta.
[11:20] <whiprush> dholbach: I got in a good plug for motu at my talk at ohio linux fest.
[11:21] <dholbach> WOW cool
[11:21] <dholbach> send them here :)
[11:21] <whiprush> dholbach: oh, also, what's the rough # of motus?
[11:21] <ajmitch> about 30?
[11:21] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+members/
[11:21] <whiprush> that's what I guessed.
[11:21] <dholbach> although i thought we must have forgotten some
[11:22] <dholbach> :)
[11:22] <ajmitch> 31 on that list
[11:22] <ajmitch> so I wasn't far off
[11:22] <whiprush> so ... "over 30 developers!"
[11:22] <ajmitch> but some MOTUs count for about 10 developers
[11:22] <dholbach> and around 30 hopefuls :)
[11:22] <tseng> not me.
[11:23] <whiprush> tseng: you're small though
[11:23] <ajmitch> tseng: no, you count for 20 :P
[11:23] <whiprush> you're more concentrated motu.
[11:23] <tseng> haha at you both
[11:23] <whiprush> like, a redbull
[11:27] <bddebian> heh
[11:28] <whiprush> bddebian: are you working on gnome-launch-box?
[11:28] <bddebian> For "fun"
[11:28] <whiprush> a friend of mine patched it to work with newer gnome, but got no response from the imendio people
[11:28] <bddebian> Oh sure, NOW you tell me :-)
[11:29] <whiprush> well, the desktop-applet is the new great justice I suppose
[11:29] <lucas> hello
[11:29] <whiprush> hi!
[11:29] <lucas> is there a mailing list for MOTU stuff ?
[11:29] <lucas> or is it ubuntu-devel ?
[11:29] <ajmitch> ubuntu-devel at the moment
[11:29] <lucas> ok
[11:29] <lucas> are there some weekly ubuntu-devel summaries or sting ?
[11:30] <lucas> sthing
[11:30] <lucas> ubuntu-devel is quite high volume
[11:30] <ajmitch> not at the moment
[11:30] <lucas> ok
[11:31] <bddebian> whiprush: You know if he/she has a patch laying around so I could compare?
[11:31] <whiprush> bddebian: looking for it now
[11:31] <piman_> Hi; I'm wondering if #2743 against quodlibet can be fixed before breezy, or if not, if the package can just be removed?
[11:32] <whiprush> StoneTable: got that patch for gnome-launch-box you did a few months ago?
[11:32] <piman_> We're getting duplicate bug reports in the upstream BTS about it every few days, and it's annoying since we fixed the bug two months ago before GTK 2.8 (which is the cause of the crash) was out...
[11:32] <ajmitch> piman_: so do you think it needs a rebuild, or a new version of quodlibet?
[11:33] <piman_> Quod Libet is written in Python. :) It needs a new version.
[11:33] <dholbach> piman_: so the bug is gtk 2.8 related?
[11:33] <piman_> Yes.
[11:33] <ajmitch> right
[11:33] <ajmitch> we can probably sync that
[11:33] <dholbach> piman_: or you fixed it in a new upstream version?
[11:33] <piman_> It was fixed in Quod Libet 0.12 and the current version is 0.13.1.
[11:33] <dholbach> oh rock
[11:33] <ajmitch> 0.13.1 is in debian, will request sync of it
[11:33] <dholbach> they have it in debian
[11:33] <dholbach> ajmitch: thank you
[11:34] <dholbach> thanks piman_ for the heads up
[11:34] <dholbach> you guys ROCK!
[11:34] <piman_> Is there some way that can happen automatically?
[11:34] <dholbach> piman_: no, we have to do that manually (we're 8 days before release)
[11:34] <piman_> Well, is there some way it can happen automatically after release? :)
[11:34] <ajmitch> piman_: oh good to have upstream around ;)
[11:34] <torkel> whiprush: has anything happened with the kerberos ticket manager?
[11:34] <ajmitch> piman_: it will happen automatically for 3 months or so
[11:35] <whiprush> torkel: oh hey! yeah, it's working,has a panel applet and everything.
[11:35] <dholbach> piman_: when we're before upstream version freeze, it gets done automatically
[11:35] <piman_> Okay, thanks.
[11:35] <whiprush> I need to convince the guy to put the code someplace though.
[11:35] <dholbach> piman_: ROCK! :)
[11:35] <torkel> whiprush: cool
[11:35] <whiprush> torkel: I'll force him to blog about it or something and let you know
[11:35] <torkel> whiprush: I'm very intrested in it
[11:35] <whiprush> k
[11:36] <piman_> One problem, if you guys don't have python-gst, you'll ned that for 0.13.1.
[11:36] <ajmitch> piman_: how about the pydance bug on malone?
[11:36] <whiprush> torkel: it's cool, it can destroy tickets, has a countdown thing, etc. etc.
[11:36] <bddebian> OK, time to head home, later gang
[11:36] <ajmitch> python-gst |    0.8.1-2 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/main Packages
[11:36] <ajmitch> will that version suffice?
[11:36] <piman_> people still use pydance? haa?
[11:36] <piman_> Yeah, it should.
[11:37] <ajmitch> piman_: yeah there's a pydance bug I saw earlier
[11:37] <ajmitch> will get url
[11:37] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/pydance/+bug/1189
[11:37] <piman_> That's intentional, the game doesn't use the mouse at all.
[11:37] <ajmitch> probably not a bug at all :)
[11:37] <ajmitch> ok
[11:37] <ajmitch> will reject bug
[11:38] <torkel> whiprush: does it support more than one ticket? i.e both username, username/root, ...
[11:38] <whiprush> hm, dunno.
[11:39] <ajmitch> piman_: looks like you've got a few packages in debian
[11:40] <piman_> More than I'd like, sometimes. :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> I know that feeling
[11:40] <ajmitch> and yet I still file ITPs :)
[11:41] <dholbach> it's better with team maintenance, isnt it? :)
[11:41] <piman_> If you want to syn python-gst 0.8.2 it should be safe, it fixes a lot of memory leaks and I suspect Quod Libet is the only rdep.
[11:41] <ajmitch> we can't
[11:41] <ajmitch> python-gst is in main
[11:41] <piman_> Oh.
[11:41] <torkel> whiprush: if you can pursuade the guy to put something anywhere please let me know, or if he prefers it, he can contact me directly
[11:42] <piman_> Weird, kind of.
[11:42] <ajmitch> there are a few more rdepends than you think :)
[11:42] <ajmitch> Reverse Depends: serpentine soundconverter istanbul
[11:42] <ajmitch>   flumotion
[11:42] <ajmitch>   ubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <ajmitch>   serpentine
[11:42] <ajmitch>   edubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <whiprush> torkel: email pls.
[11:42] <whiprush> er, what's your email.
[11:42] <piman_> Yikes, suddenly it matters a lot more if I make a mistake :P
[11:42] <torkel> whiprush: torkel@acc.umu.se
[11:43] <ajmitch> piman_: yep :)
[11:43] <piman_> Anyway, thanks for getting the updated QL in.
[11:43] <whiprush> ql is pimp
[11:44] <dholbach> :)
[11:44] <piman_> I don't know about that, but thanks.
[11:45] <dholbach> piman_: thanks for the heads up :)
[11:45] <whiprush> I'm a gnome user, it's my destiny to use 67 mp3 players ...
[11:46] <dholbach> whiprush: that was a clever comment... that's how i feel too
[11:46] <piman_> what's not in any of the current ones that you want?
[11:47] <ajmitch> because the world needs another mp3 player..
[11:47] <piman_> The world desperately needed another ID3v2 reader/writer when we wrote one. Sadly.
[11:48] <dholbach> piman_: and that's what i loved about QL
[11:48] <dholbach> piman_: you did a good job
[11:48] <whiprush> piman_: ipod support.
[11:48] <piman_> Nah, the other developer did most of that work. I write the crappy playing portion.
[11:48] <whiprush> banshee seems to be getting there imo.
[11:51] <piman_> Banshee's metadata support is bad..
[11:51] <lucas> ajmitch: what are motu reports ?
[11:51] <lucas> ok. google.
[11:52] <dholbach> lucas: a monthly report about the motu activities
[11:52] <dholbach> lucas: and i wanted to have it written for some days now... thanks ajmitch for the pointer
[11:52] <whiprush> ajmitch: ooh, I need to fridge that
[11:53] <ajmitch> dholbach: I wasn't trying to pressure you
[11:53] <ajmitch> dholbach: since the report should be a *community* effort (hints to others) ;)
[11:53] <dholbach> haha :)
[11:53] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'm just not very eloquent or tactful ;)
[11:53] <dholbach> excellent ajmitch :)
[11:55] <ajmitch> what new MOTUs did we get in the last month?
[11:56] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members shows a few with dates of 2005-09-*, but I know they've been around longer
[11:57] <dholbach> nafallo, mez, slomo, madduck and comadreja where last month
[11:57] <dholbach> (last motu report)
[11:57] <ajmitch> yep
[11:58] <dholbach> so lathiat, bddebian?
[11:58] <ajmitch> seems to be
[11:58] <Nafallo> ehm, haven't I been around longer than that? :-)
[11:59] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I'd say so
[11:59] <ajmitch> as are a few people
[11:59] <ajmitch> but we're mainly caring about who was approved in the last month
[11:59] <Nafallo> I've got upload rights 9th of August ;-)
[11:59] <Nafallo> add two weeks and you know when I was approved :-)