[02:13] <mhz> moin
[02:13] <mhz> ogra_: ping awake??
[02:13] <ogra_> mhz, on my way to bed
[02:13] <mhz> ok, bye then, sleep well
[02:14] <ogra_> mhz, urgent prob ? 
[02:14] <mhz> I can wait
[02:14] <mhz> :)
[02:14] <mhz> thx
[08:07] <JaneW> morning
[08:10] <jsgotangco> good morning my lady
[08:12] <JaneW> hi jsg
[08:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: welcome to the m/l - it's pretty quiet atm...
[08:13] <jsgotangco> stir up the natives let's do it
[08:14] <jsgotangco> JaneW, its just my 2nd ml account heh
[08:15] <JaneW> heh
[08:15] <jsgotangco> just ask and I do your bidding =)
[08:18] <JaneW> hmmm seems our DHCP problem is not going to be fixed in Breezy :(((
[08:18] <jsgotangco> we'll add that as a known issue then, don't worry about it
[08:18] <jsgotangco> we'll improve as we go on =)
[08:19] <JaneW> how much of a big deal is it IYO?
[08:19] <jsgotangco> oh its pretty big if we're aiming for a really dumbed-down install approach
[08:19] <JaneW> yes it was meant to be a chicken install...
[08:20] <jsgotangco> JaneW, can you list down our final "feature" list so i can start hacking up the release notes i am almost done with ubuntu and i can easily lift parts of it for our project
[08:21] <jsgotangco> mdz says the current doc looks good so we'll build on it
[08:21] <highvoltage> i initially received lots of criticism from the ubuntu people about the methods i used to dumb down the skubuntu installation, it was the only way i could bring it down to simply running one single script. people underestimate how long it can take to do 'properly'.
[08:21] <highvoltage> sometimes, something that just works and satisfies the client is good enough.
[08:22] <highvoltage> you can perfect the ways you do it after time.
[08:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: agreed
[08:22] <highvoltage> just ignore me. i have little sleep so i'll probably be grumpy today.
[08:22] <highvoltage> ooh. ok. that was unexpected ;)
[08:22] <highvoltage> hi JaneW 
[08:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: also proper linux ppl want it done 'properly', newbies wouldn;t know or care...
[08:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: great, feature list for ub/edu?
[08:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, just edu i have the ub covered =)
[08:23] <jsgotangco> the doc is still in xml but readable if you want to check it out
[08:24] <JaneW> ok great well edu has all (I think must dbl check with ogra) ub features, plus the stuff in the preview list
[08:24] <JaneW> I need ogra to check that and confirm if it's changed...
[08:24] <jsgotangco> yes
[08:24] <JaneW> I'll get back to you.
[08:25] <jsgotangco> andk known issues
[08:25] <jsgotangco> the rest is stock ub
[08:25] <JaneW> yes and known issues :(
[08:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/gnome/releasenotes/C/breezy-release-notes.xml
[08:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: the non-commercial license on the wiki, that's not the license that elmo mentioned, or was it decided to be different later?
[08:26] <jsgotangco> err who is Philipp Schrder?
[08:26] <highvoltage> Swedish Guy
[08:27] <highvoltage> artist, web designer. very skilled.
[08:27] <jsgotangco> i noticed
[08:27] <highvoltage> also very keen to be involved.
[08:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: what do you mean?
[08:28] <jsgotangco> he seems to be up-to-date on schooltool stuff
[08:28] <JaneW> highvoltage: we were using GNU GPL or such like and elmo told me to change it to CC Some rights
[08:29] <jsgotangco> CC by SA
[08:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: JaneW in an e-mail dated 02/09/2005, elmo said this is the license that Mark wants to use: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
[08:29] <highvoltage> the one on the wiki is: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
[08:29] <JaneW> yes
[08:30] <highvoltage> so why the change?
[08:30] <JaneW> really
[08:30] <highvoltage> yes, really.
[08:30] <JaneW> I thought I put the one that elmo wanted up....
[08:34] <jsgotangco> ok it seems mhz is now editing the wiki on docs
[08:34] <jsgotangco> heh i guess it was a good idea after all to use moin
[08:43] <crimsun> jsgotangco: are grammatical changes accepted for EdubuntuDocumentation/AboutEdubuntu this late in the game?
[08:43] <jsgotangco> crimsun, sure
[08:43] <crimsun> ok
[08:43] <jsgotangco> we don't have freeze really =)
[08:56] <JaneW> did I miss anything?
[08:56] <jsgotangco> nope
[08:59] <crimsun> meeting in 5 hours, correct?
[09:00] <JaneW> nope next week wed
[09:00] <JaneW> there was one yesterday...
[09:00] <JaneW> crimsun: where in the world are you again?
[09:00] <jsgotangco> JaneW, that's a lot of issues from last night's meeting
[09:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you look at the tweaks to the html stuff yet? (colour brightness etc)
[09:01] <crimsun> JaneW: I'm on the eastern coast of the USA.
[09:01] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yup, ogra did a great status report
[09:01] <crimsun> (-0400 GMT)
[09:01] <JaneW> crimsun: what you doing up so late/early!?
[09:02] <crimsun> apparently I mixed up the dates for the #edubuntu meeting
[09:02] <JaneW> crimsun: it's each wednesday at 12:00UTC
[09:02] <JaneW> so 8am your time
[09:02] <JaneW> same as flint and jelkner
[09:02] <crimsun> right. Oh well, I'll need to read the report.
[09:02] <JaneW> crimsun: do you want to read the logs?
[09:03] <JaneW> some notes -> http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[09:03] <JaneW> full # log -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-10-05.html
[09:04] <JaneW> crimsun: sorry about that, I thought it was clear
[09:04] <crimsun> k, I'll sort through the former then the latter.
[09:04] <JaneW> crimsun: basically we need doc and artwork help atm, and testing as always
[09:05] <JaneW> we agreed at the meeting that fixing the dhcp issue was our main priority
[09:05] <crimsun> it's my fault; I was sleeping instead since I stayed awake for two days creating an ALSA diff for the Breezy kernel, which unfortunately due to invasiveness, won't go in (understandably).
[09:05] <JaneW> but we heard last night that the fix will not be allowed through and we have to live with it as a known issue in this release
[09:05] <crimsun> ok.
[09:05] <JaneW> crimsun: sounds like same problem as us ;/
[09:06] <JaneW> we started our dev cycle very late
[09:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:06] <JaneW> mid-July really
[09:06] <JaneW> and we had blocking issues in ubuntu (mainly the X stuff)
[09:06] <JaneW> and ogra had lost to learn
[09:06] <JaneW> and we only had ogra
[09:06] <JaneW> so not a big team
[09:07] <JaneW> plus no one else saw edu stuff as a priority
[09:07] <JaneW> so without making excuses ;)
[09:07] <JaneW> we have been a bit on the back foot the whole time
[09:07] <JaneW> luckilly we had a couple of guys who stepped forward to help out
[09:07] <JaneW> like jsgotangco , highvoltage , mhz etc
[09:08] <JaneW> and ogra has done amazingly well considering
[09:08] <mhz> moin!
[09:08] <JaneW> moin moin
[09:08] <mhz> :)
[09:08] <jsgotangco> well if you ask me although it is my opinion, jelkner and colin didn't do much after UDU
[09:08] <jsgotangco> and just waited
[09:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I agree
[09:08] <JaneW> jelkner and colin were the lead and second for the goal
[09:08] <JaneW> but nothing happened for WEEKS
[09:08] <jsgotangco> it was already 2 months after UDU and nothing just happened
[09:09] <jsgotangco> and some people are starting to dismiss it as vaporware
[09:09] <JaneW> it was only after I raised the concern a few times that sabdfl and matt decided to make another plan
[09:09] <JaneW> and that's when ogra was pulled on board
[09:09] <crimsun> well without negotiating the past, we can look at what needs to be done.
[09:10] <JaneW> so it's not like he's been planning the thing in his mind for years (or even months)
[09:10] <JaneW> so anyway the point I am making
[09:10] <crimsun> Sorry, but between regular work, teaching, MOTU, and sleeping, I'm stretched thin - as I'm sure most of you are.
[09:10] <mhz> JaneW: any chance we urge people (you included :)  ) that upload images, to upload either two sizes (small and large) or upload any size as long as the only add a link to it? This way we'll make moin loading pages less expensive.
[09:11] <JaneW> (arduously) is that some people are under-impressed by edubuntu at this point
[09:11] <JaneW> and we need to fight that
[09:11] <jsgotangco> mhz, thanks for the edits =)
[09:11] <mhz> np
[09:11] <JaneW> so lets see what we can do to add the final polish to this release, and then really focus on making the next one great
[09:12] <JaneW> but we only have one more chance at this, so let's get it right
[09:12] <JaneW> crimsun: understood
[09:12] <JaneW> mhz: good suggestion, the wallpaper one is rather huge now
[09:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, one more chance?
[09:12] <mhz> jsgotangco: we could really make excellent use of the many features Moin has if we only had time to explain how much we can do
[09:13] <jsgotangco> mhz, let's take it a step at a time, we're supposed to support 5.10 for 18 months =)
[09:13] <JaneW> mhz: the wallpapers have all been added to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ now
[09:13] <jsgotangco> mhz, let's build on that =)
[09:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes, we have been told as much
[09:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, argghhh
[09:14] <jsgotangco> JaneW, but that's really unfair, Edubuntu has been a one-man show at the moment
[09:14] <mhz> okidoki to u 2
[09:14] <JaneW> mhz: so we need the large ones up to be able to link them to upload to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/, but once they are there, we can reduce the size and just link back to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/ 
[09:14] <JaneW> what do you think?
[09:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: nod, but that's the word, and that's why I rambled above
[09:15] <JaneW> I honestly think ogra has done amazing things, but ppl are judging us on edu vs ubuntu rather than a 40 strong team vs 1 person.
[09:15] <JaneW> and that's tough
[09:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hey it's not ME!
[09:15] <mhz> JaneW: either that or using a picture gallery "plugin" for Moin. I'm 70% sure Moin gang did something like that.
[09:15] <jsgotangco> ok london then
[09:15] <JaneW> I am in the firing line already
[09:15] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and LA
[09:15] <jsgotangco> right
[09:15] <jsgotangco> but they'll brand me as a terrorist
[09:16] <JaneW> mhz: highvoltage was actually going to put the gallery in the HTML part of the page
[09:16] <JaneW> mhz: that's why we have been pushing for the completeion of the HTML stuff, but we had to go with the wiki in the mean time
[09:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's Washington DC
[09:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you might run into problem there ;)
[09:17] <jsgotangco> JaneW, wider coverage, much better heh
[09:17] <JaneW> more birds with one 'stone'
[09:17] <jsgotangco> mhz, does our current moin support most of the features we'll need?
[09:17] <mhz> wiki's fine. how about /SamllSized /LargeSized ?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> mhz, (config wise that is)
[09:18] <jsgotangco> talk page?
[09:18] <JaneW> mhz: have you seen the new wiki skin hno73 did for us?
[09:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: afaik, yes. Default Moin is 95% ready for documentation
[09:18] <jsgotangco> mhz, awesome
[09:19] <JaneW> http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/
[09:19] <mhz> JaneW: nop. Unfortunatelly, I ahave not known from Henrik in quite a long time. We both have tried to do stuff together but time (and my unemployment concerns) have palyed against.
[09:20] <JaneW> oic
[09:20] <JaneW> mhz: also he's been busy getting his doctorate(!)
[09:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: however, i do think that learning some tricks will speed our work lot more
[09:20] <mhz> JaneW: yep, that too :)
[09:21] <jsgotangco> mhz, no problem with me, it'll help the current ubuntu wiki as well (skills-wise)
[09:21] <mhz> JaneW: where can I see his theme?
[09:21] <JaneW> I posted the link ^^^
[09:21] <mhz> jsgotangco: meaning you are all set to moin editing?
[09:21] <JaneW> http://www.omma.org.uk/files/temp/
[09:22] <jsgotangco> mhz, collaborative process yes, edubuntu docs are different from ubuntu docs then we'll just move to docbook
[09:22] <mhz> oh
[09:22] <jsgotangco> mhz, current GDP strategy is like this
[09:22] <jsgotangco> mhz, we still have yelp you see
[09:22] <mhz> :)
[09:23] <mhz> hnerik did a real edu-cool theme!!
[09:23] <jsgotangco> we don't have a live docbook editor at the moment so a moin wiki will work for us
[09:24] <jsgotangco> JaneW, it looks very 5.04
[09:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: what?
[09:24] <jsgotangco> the colors remind me of our 5.04 sleeve
[09:25] <mhz> jsgotangco: have you testes moin 1.5 editor?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> mhz, nope no time to install one at the moment
[09:25] <mhz> have you edited any page in moinmoin.wikiwikiweb?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, and our logo doesn't look great embossed
[09:25] <jsgotangco> mhz, yeah
[09:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes I guess so, they are also the edubuntu colours
[09:25] <mhz> liked it?
[09:26] <jsgotangco> mhz, it rocked dude
[09:26] <mhz> :D
[09:26] <jsgotangco> JaneW, lots of red?
[09:26] <mhz> .oO(these germans are nuts)
[09:26] <JaneW> anything wrong with red?
[09:26] <JaneW> we are looking at toning the brightness down a bit
[09:27] <jsgotangco> JaneW, nothings wrong with red really, it just looks too similar to the 5.04 sleeve and all the while i thought we're more orange....
[09:28] <mhz> BTW, is there a final Cd cover for Ubuntu breezy?
[09:28] <crimsun> please try to mind general UI guidelines, one of which is to shy from generous use of red
[09:30] <mhz> in defense of hno73, I'd say that Moin is a little mandatory on some CSS stuff and sometimes the use of imagination crashes the theme rendering :(
[09:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the HTML section is more oragne, the wiki is more red
[09:30] <JaneW> mhz: still can't find it!!!
[09:30] <mhz> JaneW: what you mean "find it"?
[09:31] <JaneW> mhz: well there's unofficial stuff, but we haven;t been allowed to see it
[09:31] <JaneW> let me nag again
[09:32] <jsgotangco> the licensing?
[09:32] <JaneW> mhz: me too ;/
[09:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: the "wait until we decide it is time"
[09:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: the "wait until we decide we can release under GPL or CC"
[09:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, we'll see after 5.10 who knows you'll probably have better control of the project after...
[09:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: the "no, you do not have access to that font because we payed for it"
[09:34] <mhz> :D
[09:34] <JaneW> someone was worried that if the packaging is released someone will print off eveil stuff and distribute as 'official ubuntu CDs' *shrug*
[09:35] <JaneW> mhz: that's actually not true
[09:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW, the artwork/cd stuff?
[09:35] <JaneW> mhz: it;s not a font per se, it's just 4 letters
[09:35] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes
[09:35] <mhz> that is a possibility, yes. But there are ways to let people know and understand very friendly about why you decide to keep things in control :)
[09:35] <JaneW> mhz: true they paid for it, but they only had the 4 ubuntu letter designed
[09:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW, well its understandable unless silbs or whoever is in charge licensed the stuff accordingly
[09:36] <JaneW> mhz: so there is no complete font.
[09:36] <JaneW> mhz: I agree, I think in this case things just moved fast and it was hard to organise and control and know what to do where and how
[09:36] <mhz> JaneW: I asked many times (4 actually) to get tose letters in I file I could separate them easily. I did not get them.
[09:36] <JaneW> (my own opinion)
[09:37] <JaneW> mhz: don;t take it personally even our edubuntu logo designer had to cut them himself and design the 'e' himself
[09:37] <jsgotangco> mmm???
[09:37] <mhz> JaneW: that's my point :)
[09:37] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-title-ttf
[09:38] <JaneW> mhz: I don't think the 'font' exisit outside of the logo
[09:38] <mhz> in a team, in a community, that is shocking (kind of)
[09:38] <JaneW> really?
[09:39] <mhz> JaneW: i know it is only 4 letter. however, if I submit a work (even a logo or the letters of it), I provide the "sources"
[09:39] <JaneW> I can understand the frustrations in the community, but I can also see how it can be hard from the inside
[09:39] <mhz> LOL
[09:39] <JaneW> yes but I think the logo was created, and that's all they got
[09:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW, just imagine it: book publishers will just grab it and make their own stuff and probably sell a book with a cd
[09:40] <JaneW> so yes it's a new design, but there is no font, just 4 newly designed letters
[09:40] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hehe
[09:40] <mhz> well, let's hope in a very near future we get more closed to community-company work, where sources are available sources
[09:41] <mhz> imagine someone wanted to design a whole set of ubuntu fonts
[09:42] <JaneW> mhz: I think that would be great
[09:42] <JaneW> mhz: I hope someone does
[09:42] <mhz> I don't know.. ubuntu fonts suck! 
[09:42] <mhz> (kidding)
[09:43] <JaneW> anyway I am just trying to let you know that there is no conspiracy, I even couldn;t get the font because there isn't one!
[09:43] <mhz> lol
[09:43] <JaneW> so it's not a ploy to keep it out of the community :P
[09:43] <mhz> i can't help the laugh
[09:44] <JaneW> sorry :/
[09:44] <mhz> now, getting back to documentation... and testing...
[09:44] <JaneW> I wish I could help more, but I am trying to get the &^*($ CD designs
[09:44] <mhz> this the my 2nd edubuntu install... UNSUCCESSFULL
[09:45] <mhz> JaneW: I am 100% sure you all do more than your bests
[09:46] <mhz> so, whatever my opinions are... are about "company response" , not your works.
[09:46] <jsgotangco> how about the biltong conspiracy
[09:46] <mhz> Teh good thing is that I am not going to sit ansd wait until I get the official covers.
[09:47] <mhz> LOL
[09:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW, if i remember it right, i had a problem with the artwork before for conference posters. I didn't get any reply at all...so i just dropped it
[09:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: how far are you planning to go with the edubuntu doc moining? How do you picture the tasks assignments? etc?
[09:48] <jsgotangco> mhz, oh its wild wild west at the moment, i would appreciate inputs
[09:49] <mhz> I believe there's no funds for evangelisation support?
[09:49] <jsgotangco> mhz, nope
[09:49] <jsgotangco> i'm the self-appointed evangelist at the moment
[09:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: I can help on moin syntax, moin better use of features (like Category, for instance. BTW, did you like that?), transalting into spanish, but until I get a successfull Edubuntu install, I have no idea about my technical skills :)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> ive been prsenting all my talks on an edubuntu workstation and people just notice it
[09:51] <mhz> :)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> successful install in server mode?
[09:51] <jsgotangco> fluxbuntu?
[09:52] <mhz> jsgotangco: I always got errors (many)
[09:52] <jsgotangco> thats strange
[09:52] <jsgotangco> the daily builds has always been solid
[09:52] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, I mainly use 2nd hand boxes (laptops and desktops), so fluxbos is 90% my desktop
[09:53] <mhz> my 5.10 is from the very 2nd day it was out
[09:53] <mhz> and i have never got to dist-upgrade as I always got errors and could not enjoy it
[09:54] <jsgotangco> its still not out
[09:54] <jsgotangco> maybe you mean colony 5?
[09:54] <jsgotangco> strange
[09:54] <mhz> 'pre-release-
[09:54] <mhz> 'preview'
[09:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:56] <mhz> I have a presentation of the things I am volunteer on, and I still can't set an edubuntu install. It's kinda frustrating but I am sure it is mainly stupid configs I may have chosen
[09:56] <mhz> I ahve a presentation = I have to go an present
[09:57] <crimsun> hopefully you're using aptitude to dist-upgrade
[09:57] <mhz> crimsun: apt
[09:57] <mhz> :)
[09:58] <mhz> Actually, in Tecnocimiento, I have to train 2 people about the use of Edubuntu because we'll be inviting teachers on weekly basis, to try edubuntu.
[09:58] <mhz> Demonstrations will start in October
[09:58] <crimsun> mhz: aptitude tends to be more intelligent, try it next time
[09:59] <mhz> crimsun: maybe right. but the only time I tried it I recall it ended up purging all my debian install :)
[10:00] <mhz> Anywasy, I'll try again in 4 or 5 more hours. Now I am off to the "envelope"
[10:00] <jsgotangco> crimsun, thanks for spotting the errors im going to move it again later
[10:01] <crimsun> jsgotangco: no problem. It's fairly rare I get to use my English diploma. ;)
[10:01] <jsgotangco> mmm it seems mdz is now making a draft rc announcement
[10:05] <JaneW> Last night at the UK Linux Awards (associated with the Linux World Expo in London), Ubuntu won the best distro award. :))
[10:05] <jsgotangco> what did ubuntu get exactly?
[10:05] <jsgotangco> a thophy?
[10:09] <mhz> crimsun: just a almost silli doubt... what are the things a person installing edubuntu will deal manually with?
[10:13] <crimsun> mhz: I'll let you know once I (1) wake up; (2) download an ISO and test
[10:13] <mhz> lol
[10:18] <mhz> jsgotangco: could you see my dhcp.conf, please and tell me if it looks ok for you?
[10:52] <JaneW> http://www.fixx.co.za/pics/imagsafsdfsdfe010.jpg <- 2005 beachwear
[10:53] <jsgotangco> errr you're going to wear that?
[10:53] <jsgotangco> you'd look like a character from star wars
[11:02] <mhz> JaneW: lol
[11:03] <JaneW> I don't have 4 sets!
[11:06] <jsgotangco> there's a lot of plastic surgeon in CT im sure
[11:08] <JaneW> there are actually ;)
[11:08] <JaneW> 'Surgery 'n Safari'
[11:08] <jsgotangco> but i'm sure even if mark sponsors for the surgery, you wouldn't do it
[11:09] <JaneW> no, it's not quite the 6-pack I am after ;)
[11:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:09] <mhz> LOL
[11:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, you might want to monitor this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[11:13] <jsgotangco> this is the release notes page after the RC annoucement
[11:13] <JaneW> great thanks
[11:13] <jsgotangco> Edubuntu stuff can be easily added into it
[11:14] <JaneW> ta, waiting for ogra to respond to mail (scared of getting anything wrong)
[11:15] <JaneW> mdz moaned when I wrote the last one
[11:16] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:16] <jsgotangco> well mdz got to review this so its a better page
[11:27] <mhz> jsgotangco: just in case .. coul I see your dhcpd.conf? (edubuntu, of course)
[11:27] <jsgotangco> mhz, i don't have a working server atm
[11:28] <mhz> if you see ogra_ before me.. please tell him I thought of him for the last 6 hours trying to set the LTSP here, please.
[11:28] <ajmitch_> :)
[11:30] <pere> someone has been talking to me on this channel.
[11:31] <mhz> he can see my dhcp config while I try to get some sleep before my wife wakes up (in 2,5 hours) at http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/MauricioHernandez/configs/DhcpdConf
[11:32] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are you going to hvae an edubuntu summit again?
[11:32] <mhz> and JaneW, I hope once I wake up, you have received answers about th ecd cover
[11:33] <JaneW> mhz: me too
[11:33] <JaneW> mhz: I have been nagging belive me, mailing silbs again now
[11:33] <mhz> np, I do trust you a lot
[11:33] <mhz> have a nice day you all
[11:42] <JaneW> does anyone here have a good contact for gettig 8000 CD printed/pressed and packaged?
[11:42] <JaneW> we need to find the most cost effective option
[11:43] <JaneW> they'll need to get back to me probably for distribution
[11:43] <jsgotangco> i can ask a fried who's an editor in chief for a magazine in hong kong
[11:43] <jsgotangco> but 8000 ain't that much
[11:44] <JaneW> jsgotangco: better than the few 100 we were looking at a few days ago ;)
[11:44] <JaneW> but I agree it's a pretty small run
[11:44] <jsgotangco> i'll ask
[11:44] <JaneW> thanks :)
[11:44] <jsgotangco> if you're looking into the same quality as that of the 5.04 sleeves, we can find something
[11:44] <jsgotangco> but i doubt if we can get it for .45 Euro
[11:48] <jsgotangco> JaneW, do you have a price point?
[11:51] <JaneW> well so far we have no LiveCD, and we'll only print for one architecture
[11:51] <JaneW> so we only need one cover design and it can be a slip cover
[11:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:51] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[11:51] <jsgotangco> wonder if i still have a 4.10 cd of ppc
[11:51] <JaneW> I don't have any other quotes yet, Marilize is looking for an SA one
[11:51] <jsgotangco> it could be something like that
[11:52] <JaneW> I ddn't see those...
[11:52] <jsgotangco> its just a slip cover since its only 1 cd
[11:52] <JaneW> right, yes like that
[11:52] <jsgotangco> the x86 had 2 cds while the ppc and amd64 only had the install cd
[11:54] <JaneW> it's a pity we don't have the liveCD, but such is life
[11:55] <jsgotangco> i'd imagine how terrible the LiveCD would be in terms of performance in an ltsp environment
[11:56] <jsgotangco> its probably better for a live cd to be a workstation rather than a server
[12:03] <JaneW> yes
[12:03] <JaneW> ok looks like we can do it for about R5.50 per CD here, with the packaging and CD printing and pressing etc
[12:04] <jsgotangco> how much is that in US$/Euro?
[12:06] <JaneW> about 0,7EURO
[12:06] <JaneW> not TOO bad
[12:06] <JaneW> if you consider the volumes
[12:07] <jsgotangco> WOW
[12:09] <spacey> talking about cd's?
[12:10] <JaneW> yes
[12:16] <spacey> if there will be edubuntu cd's i would like to order some :)
[12:16] <jsgotangco> some would probably be a piece or 2
[12:16] <jsgotangco> we're very limited
[12:17] <jsgotangco> and will have JaneW's autography
[12:19] <jsgotangco> its probably too soon to have pressed cds during UBZ
[12:28] <ajmitch_> unfortunately
[12:28] <ajmitch_> although we had hoary cds at UDU
[12:28] <jsgotangco> but that's like 3 weeks before
[12:28] <jsgotangco> we'll see
[12:29] <jsgotangco> you can prolly ask courier JaneW 
[12:31] <ajmitch_> yep :)
[12:31] <JaneW> prolly won;t be ready by then, but we'll try
[12:31] <JaneW> you really want ogra's autograph on it though
[12:32] <ajmitch_> courier a cd round the world, get the various people involved in edubuntu to sign it ;)
[12:32] <ogra_> JaneW, did you see the /msg win ?
[12:32] <ajmitch_> hey ogra_ 
[12:32] <ogra_> morning btw
[12:32] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and that was ubuntu CDs which are official and all
[12:32] <ajmitch_> speak of the devil.. :)
[12:32] <JaneW> ogra_:  : no?
[12:32] <JaneW> hello ogra 
[12:33] <ajmitch_> we all do
[12:49] <jsgotangco> wow getting nice speed on RC atm
[12:57] <ajmitch_> yeah, ~180K/sec for me
[12:57] <ajmitch_> 16% through the install cd
[12:58] <jsgotangco> alright im gonna rest my eyes a bit and just come back later
[12:58] <jsgotangco> what a long day
[01:18] <JaneW> ok I added 2 new wiki pages
[01:18] <JaneW> they are still unlinked to anything else
[01:18] <JaneW> but check em out
[01:19] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCDPrintingPlans
[01:19] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans
[01:38] <JaneW> sent to mailing list
[01:43] <spacey> :)
[02:20] <Zaheer> afternoon all :)
[02:24] <Zaheer> so what news on the cds? anything i can help with?
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: do we have a RC?
[02:37] <JaneW> Zaheer: did you see mail to list?
[02:37] <JaneW> and hello
[02:37] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCDPrintingPlans
[02:37] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans
[02:45] <Zaheer> :) hello jane
[02:45] <Zaheer> looking now, just saw heading :D
[03:43] <Zaheer> why so quiet today?
[05:16] <mhz> moin
[05:16] <mhz> ogra: ping
[05:19] <ogra> mhz, pong
[05:19] <mhz> good morning, here
[05:19] <ogra> mhz, why did you edit dhcpd.conf ? 
[05:19] <ogra> thats the wrong file :)
[05:20] <mhz> ..... sighs
[05:21] <ogra> i told you to read EdubuntuTesting and install like described there (dont touch the IP configuration during install) ... post install you can change the IP and accordingly edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf , nothing else :)
[05:22] <ogra> do a reinstall, its quick if you do the right things ;)
[05:24] <mhz> ogra: so far, all the installation I did on 2 diff pc's had same similar issues. After copying files to HD, rebooting, auto instal and configure packages (having provided IP's and all, it complains about a error "ocurred" just after the final 86% (if I remember correctly), and that system may or may not have problems. Is that normal?  Adn then, as I am kind of ignorant, I decided to manually edit dhcpd.conf with the following 6 hours waste (even with help o
[05:24] <mhz> f infinity at #ubuntu-devel).
[05:26] <ogra> thats completely wrong
[05:26] <mhz> oh, in EdubuntuTesting, you mention IP is provided during installation, I got no IP "provided", else I input it.
[05:27] <ogra> you need to use the supplied IP from the installer during install never touch the /etc/dhcpd.conf file we dont use it, it *must* stay in the original condition
[05:28] <ogra> mhz, which build do you use... the preview ahd ver bad issues that were described there... the nature of EdubuntuTesting is to match always the latest build, so it doesnt reflect this anymore...
[05:28] <ogra> use 192.168.0.2 thats the right ip
[05:28] <ogra> the first build after preview uses thid IP
[05:28] <ogra> *this
[05:28] <mhz> i now fully understand you and will follow your exact orders, however, what do I do if I get no IP supplied, I just insert 192.168.0.2? how baout DNS ?
[05:29] <ogra> pick as you like, that doesnt matter
[05:29] <ogra> the only important thing is that the IP matches the settings in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf during install...
[05:29] <ogra> i'm just working on solving this...
[05:30] <mhz> so, basically, what you say is that I have no interaction or decisions to make, only the IP (192.168.0.2)?
[05:31] <ogra> yes
[05:31] <mhz> ok, cool.
[05:31] <ogra> and the user indeed
[05:31] <ogra> if you rysnc your iso to a recent build it will already offer ths IP
[05:32] <mhz> I whish I could but ISP is only 128 kbps :(
[05:33] <ogra> rsync only downloads the binary difference between the two isos.... its only some 10 MB
[05:33] <mhz> I propose this: I'll write down every step (very KISS like), I'll follow all your instructions, I'll try to install a IRC application in the windows laptop I have (still can't install linux there) and If I have any doubts, I'll come running to you. Does that sound ok with you?
[05:34] <ogra> but you can indeed use the preview image
[05:34] <mhz> rsync, only about 10 MB??? cool!
[05:34] <ogra> some 10
[05:34] <ogra> maybe 50 maybe 20... i havent compared todays iso to the preview
[05:34] <ogra> yet
[05:34] <mhz> hmmm, and the .iso I already have in my HD, syncs with the server .iso???
[05:34] <ogra> yup
[05:35] <mhz> so I endup with 1 .iso per day, or just 1 .iso ata ll
[05:35] <ogra> thats what rsync does... i usually get the diff to yesterdays iso i 15min over a 768k line here
[05:35] <ogra> i'd copy the iso into a new dir so you always have yesterdays backup ;)
[05:35] <mhz> :)
[05:36] <mhz> and what do you end up burning?
[05:37] <mhz> ok, so, I'll take my daughter out of the bath, have her see his favourite "finding Nemo" movie while I get to this man rsync and install process
[05:38] <ogra> the newest indeed... and i only use a CDRW that i always overwrite
[05:38] <mhz> ogra: as usual, thx very much
[05:38] <ogra> mhz, come back and ask if you got questions ;)
[05:38] <mhz> edu-cool
[05:38] <ogra> :)
[06:01] <Yagisan> JaneW, ogra - was my pdf useful ?
[07:00] <mhz> BTW, so far, no problems during the installation 1st part (10%)
[07:05] <vmarks> new release yet?
[07:05] <vmarks> or still preview?
[07:06] <mhz> me? using preview
[07:07] <mhz> but you can rsync .iso's and then try the latest stuff, daily :)
[07:07] <vmarks> meh
[07:07] <vmarks> I'll wait for final at this point.
[07:08] <mhz> hehehe
[07:08] <Yagisan> I played with the preview - it was nice
[07:09] <mhz> I just hope I can use Edubuntu with Fluxbox, Kde, and Enlightenment. Personally, I am not a fan of Gnome, and also, all the pc's i use are thin ones, mainly
[07:09] <Yagisan> I'm "butchering" ltsp to forcibly build an i386 environment for my client systems (I use amd64 as the server)
[07:10] <Yagisan> I have 233MHz and 300Mhz clients 64MB ram
[07:10] <Yagisan> I've tried to put in a "decent" video card - but other wise they are rather low end
[07:10] <mhz> nice schools like env.
[07:12] <Yagisan> mhz: env ? (sorry if it's obvious - 3am here and I'm so tired)
[07:14] <mhz> environment
[07:14] <mhz> :)
[07:15] <mhz> Yagisan: np, been there many times
[07:16] <Yagisan> mhz: my fault here - I broke it - I fix it - hence up late (should have left it alone when I had it working)
[07:17] <mhz> lol
[07:17] <mhz> me too
[07:18] <Yagisan> I remember clearly thinking - yeah it'll be right right before a failed attempt at flashing etherboot and killing a client m/b
[07:19] <mhz> oooops
[07:19] <Yagisan> yep - emergency bios repair didn't work :(
[07:20] <Yagisan> and I'm not hot swapping bioses - I've been electrocuted once before and I don't wish to repeat that again
[07:32] <mhz> lol, at least you keep up the sense of humour :D
[08:01] <ogra> mhz, yes, the ltsp-client-builder s a bit unresponsive, sorry for that... 
[08:04] <mhz> np, it was documented :)
[08:05] <mhz> ogra: after rebooting 1st time, after a while, i get:
[08:05] <mhz> Error
[08:05] <mhz> Dhcp server needs manual config and "authotitative" is off.
[08:05] <mhz> shall i ignore that?
[08:06] <mhz> Also, I specify eth1 as the interface to listen to. ok?
[08:06] <ogra> you didnt take the newer iso ?
[08:07] <ogra> you shouldnt see any dhcp stuff in newer isos if you used the IP i told you
[08:07] <mhz> nop, 'coz the box got frozen, dont know why and then it did not even recognized my HD, so I decided to do all again.
[08:08] <ogra> and no, there is no eth1 planned to be used during install thats all post install stuff...
[08:08] <mhz> but can i make it work with eth1 after all is set? or i screwd it up?
[08:08] <ogra> just hit enter if the dhcp server asks any questions, done give any input
[08:09] <mhz> cool, so i can set all later, good
[08:09] <ogra> if you give it an interface other than eth0 or nothing, you screw it... thats all solved in post preview releases
[08:09] <mhz> ????
[08:09] <ogra> you shouldnt set anything for dhcp... only the ltsp provided file
[08:09] <mhz> no way I can fix it manually after install??
[08:10] <mhz> but in you did not say anything about this eth0 thing on the wiki page
[08:10] <ogra> the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file *must* match the IP data of the interface you want to use your thin clients on, dont touch any other stuff
[08:10] <ogra> because it doesnt exist anymore...
[08:11] <ogra> the question doesnt get asked as well as you dont see any other dhcp related stuff in the iso one day after preview
[08:11] <mhz> ok, so i can edit /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf manually this time and it will work? 
[08:11] <mhz> lol
[08:11] <mhz> ok
[08:11] <ogra> you dont ned to if you picked the right IP on install
[08:12] <ogra> *need
[08:12] <mhz> I used 192.168.0.2 for ip, 192.168.0.1 for gw and dns
[08:12] <ogra> ok, great...
[08:12] <mhz> 'coz those values were provided by congis default (except the ip0
[08:12] <ogra> if you want to use eth1 post install for the thin clients, just make it use this range
[08:13] <ogra> and make eth0 use other values
[08:13] <ogra> the dhcp server will magically pick the interface with the matching ip...
[08:14] <ogra> if you want a completely other range, just edit the /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf file and change the network settings so they match the interface you want to use your thin clients on
[08:15] <ogra> by default the thin client network will always use 192.168.0.XXX 
[08:17] <mhz> ok
[08:18] <mhz> so, THE only file to edit manually is /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf ? is that what you say?
[08:18] <ogra> yes
[08:18] <mhz> cool
[08:19] <ogra> if you want to change the IP of an interface, probably /etc/network/inetrfaces, but i'd rather suggest to use the gui for that
[08:19] <ogra> *interfaces
[08:20] <mhz> oops, it's hard to trust guis when it comes to settings :)
[08:20] <mhz> but maybe you are right
[08:20] <ogra> nope, not the gnome gui
[08:20] <mhz> ahhh
[08:20] <ogra> its well tested in ubuntu
[08:20] <mhz> well? i hopw you are right. we'll see :)
[08:22] <ivoks> helo
[08:22] <ogra> hi ivoks 
[08:22] <ivoks> so, any plans for ldap after breezy?
[08:22] <ivoks> i would like to help in that area
[08:23] <ogra> ivoks, we'll talk about it on the conference, and work out a good solution with the ltsp guys
[08:23] <ivoks> oh, ok
[08:24] <ogra> currently i cant eve think about "after release" mdz is blocking all my fixes and i have to find workarounds for everything that suit him
[08:24] <ivoks> :))
[08:24] <ivoks> need a pair of hands?
[08:25] <ogra> look at the meeting notes...
[08:25] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[08:26] <ogra> but it look like none of thepatches and fixes i prepared will be accepted, so we need to release what we have
[08:26] <ogra> i'm very unhappy about that
[08:27] <ivoks> ogra: don;t be
[08:27] <mhz> and what's the main reason for blocking?
[08:27] <ivoks> edubuntu is great thing
[08:27] <ivoks> this is first release, nothing's perfect in it's first release
[08:27] <ogra> mhz, our release manage holds tight to the ubuntu schedule, even if my fixes dont affec ubuntu at all
[08:28] <mhz> not even the cd cover will :D
[08:28] <ogra> *manager
[08:28] <ogra> i'm not sure anymore if we should release CDs 
[08:28] <ivoks> ogra: we'll meet mdz somewhere in the dark and "negotiate" :)
[08:28] <ogra> since if they fail we wont get the opportunity a second time
[08:28] <mhz> LOL
[08:29] <mhz> no!!! really!
[08:29] <ogra> ivoks, thats what i'm doing since two days
[08:29] <mhz> ?
[08:29] <ogra> yes
[08:29] <ivoks> ogra: in the dark? :)
[08:29] <ogra> ivoks, yes, its dark here
[08:29] <mhz> but isn't Jane the one in charge of edubuntu crew?
[08:29] <ogra> mhz, we'll get money for it only once and i'd like to have a quality release if we spend it
[08:30] <ivoks> ogra: don't spend that oportunity on first release
[08:30] <ogra> this release wont be high quality... 
[08:30] <ivoks> ogra: don't do it (imho)
[08:30] <mhz> ogra, how much our release depends on ubuntu schedule? w
[08:30] <ogra> ivoks, yes... but JaneW is already looking for printing and pressing opportunitys
[08:31] <ogra> we thought we could get all my fixes in... but without them i dont think we should spend the money yet
[08:31] <ogra> mhz, 100% :/
[08:31] <mhz> what if we dont release/ship a cd until next ubuntu works starts over, could you submit your changes then?
[08:31] <ivoks> ogra: well, then don't
[08:32] <ogra> sure, but since we build on top of the ubuntu packages we'd pullin all breakage from there
[08:32] <ogra> its not an option to release later
[08:32] <mhz> strike
[08:32] <ivoks> mhz: edubuntu is part of ubuntu
[08:32] <ogra> yup
[08:32] <janimo> hello, is the edubuntu usplash image somewhere online?
[08:32] <mhz> right BUT not really
[08:33] <ivoks> mhz: when ubuntu releases, development of all parts stops (for that version)
[08:33] <ivoks> kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu...
[08:33] <ogra> janimo, http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edusplash.png
[08:33] <ivoks> janimo: xubuntu? :)
[08:33] <janimo> ogra, thanks :)
[08:33] <ogra> ivoks, exactly
[08:33] <janimo> ivoks, yeah the xubuntu artists want to see an example :)
[08:34] <ivoks> this is so beautifull
[08:34] <mhz> ogra: I can't understad why can't we release only after your changes get added to the Breezy ubntu work. We could have all sources in our own reps.
[08:34] <ivoks> mhz: we don't want to fork man :)) not again :))
[08:35] <mhz> not forking
[08:35] <mhz> i am talking about a good release thats all
[08:36] <ogra> mhz, i simply cant, thats not arguable
[08:36] <ivoks> mhz: there is only one release - ubuntu
[08:36] <janimo> ivoks, xubuntu devel cannot stop, it has barely started ;)
[08:36] <mhz> and IF the only problem we have is that ogra can't submit changes... he will be able to if we have our own reposotory this time only
[08:36] <ivoks> others are subproject
[08:36] <ivoks> mhz: it's like asking to release writer after oo.o2 releases
[08:37] <ogra> janimo, i have a xcf anywhere but no time to look it up yet...
[08:37] <ivoks> janimo: for breezy you will have to very soon :(
[08:37] <ivoks> janimo: for dapper, i'm your biggest fan :)
[08:37] <mhz> ogra, so you are saying that we're f*up?
[08:37] <ivoks> yup
[08:37] <ogra> janimo, ubuntu buildds will get locked down next week... whats not in cant get in anymore
[08:38] <ogra> mhz, not really but we'll have to release with known bugs
[08:38] <ogra> mhz, no further errors i hope :)
[08:38] <mhz> can we NOT release?
[08:38] <ivoks> ogra: or just leave it as a subproject...
[08:38] <ogra> nope
[08:39] <ogra> ivoks, we wont split it out
[08:39] <janimo> ogra, np I dunno what an xcf is anyway :) another graphic format?
[08:39] <ivoks> ogra: for what it's worth (and i'm no merit, since i didn't do a thing for edubuntu), i think edubuntu should print CDs with dapper
[08:39] <janimo> ivoks, thanks for being a fan ;)
[08:39] <ogra> janimo, the base for that image, gimp's default format...
[08:39] <ivoks> ogra: dapper will be a big hit, it would be nice for edubuntu to hit "shops" with dapper
[08:39] <janimo> ogra, ah ok the guy just want to see what it looks like
[08:40] <janimo> to be a simlar concept
[08:40] <janimo> not like a wallpaper
[08:40] <ivoks> all those splashscreens have one nasty bug :)
[08:40] <janimo> ogra, actually I haven't yet talked seriously about buildd and seeds with kamion/jdub yet, I should tomorrow now the RC is off their chest
[08:41] <ivoks> they don't look so good on 16:9 :)
[08:43] <mhz> ogra: I changed 0.1 to 0.2 in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf  What /etc/init.d/ should i restart now?
[08:43] <ivoks> dhcpd
[08:43] <ogra> mhz, 0.1 to 0.1 ??
[08:43] <ogra> err 0.2 ??
[08:44] <ogra> what exactly did you change you dont need to change anything in this file except you changed the complete address range
[08:44] <mhz> dns and router
[08:45] <ogra> ah, ok
[08:45] <mhz> :)
[08:45] <mhz> can I restart dhcp then?
[08:46] <ogra> you should, yes
[08:48] <mhz> thas it??
[08:49] <ivoks> ?
[08:49] <ivoks> omg
[09:15] <mhz> ogra, nop
[09:15] <mhz> :(
[09:15] <ogra> mhz please take a decent image 
[09:15] <mhz> but it did boot before breooting
[09:16] <mhz> I mean, it did work for 2 minutes
[09:16] <mhz> but it did not provide any GUI, just a busy box
[09:16] <mhz> (on the client side, i mean)
[09:18] <mhz> i wont give up until this works, no sir.
[09:19] <mhz> could it be because I have eth0 -> web  | eth1 -> internal | dlink router | clients   ??
[09:20] <ogra> mhz, oh, thats a typical preview bug
[09:20] <ogra> the second boot will work
[09:21] <ogra> (it was solved last week)
[09:22] <mhz> any way i can see if ports are running accordingly?
[09:23] <ogra> it works if you saw it booting, everything is fine...
[09:23] <mhz> 3rd try to boot clients... nop
[09:23] <ogra> its a pain in the ares to fix it with the updated initrd to get rid of the "first boot fails" error
[09:24] <ogra> whats the error you see ? 
[09:24] <ogra> note that you use a 1 month old kernel version and initrd-tools...
[09:25] <mhz> dhcp  gets tired and provides no ip
[09:25] <mhz> it now does
[09:25] <mhz> !
[09:25] <mhz> I used a crossover cable
[09:25] <mhz> on the 4th try
[09:26] <mhz> ok, here's the error
[09:26] <mhz> Mounting /root/dev on /dev.static/dev failed
[09:26] <mhz> Mounting /dev on /root/dev failed
[09:26] <mhz> Target filessytem has no /sbin/init
[09:27] <mhz> So in entered into a Busybox hing
[09:27] <mhz> :(
[09:28] <mhz> Maybe I should take advantage of the DHCP running and try to work on a TFTP netboot install :D
[09:29] <mhz> but then, I wouldn't have an edubuntu demo
[09:31] <ogra> you really should take a decent iso
[09:31] <ogra> thats all old errors i dont even remember the workarounds for these
[10:50] <crimsun> ogra: out of curiosity, are there RC images?
[10:51] <ogra> nope
[10:51] <crimsun> k.
[10:51] <ogra> i was waiting for the ltsp fix mdz just uploaded
[10:51] <ogra> he didnt allow my original fix...
[10:52] <ogra> but since we work on top of ubuntu, the current daily should be like the RC
[10:52] <crimsun> fix is in the current daily?
[10:53] <ogra> (with the missing fix... so dont change the IP during install, then its fine)
[10:53] <ogra> nope
[10:53] <ogra> in tomorrows
[10:53] <crimsun> tomorrow's
[10:53] <crimsun> gotcha.
[10:53] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/MeetingRecords
[10:53] <ogra> holds the remaining buglist....
[10:53] <ogra> most of them unlikely to be fixed because i dont get the (pending) fixes accepted
[10:54] <ogra> the artwork changes will still go in i think... 
[10:54] <ogra> but the rest is blocked
[10:55] <ogra> (i'm only talking about meeting notes from last meeting btw)
[11:11] <lucasvo> hi
[11:12] <ogra> hey
[11:12] <ogra> lucasvo, the guy i was talking about is called Yagisan... he is in .au TZ ...
[11:13] <lucasvo> ogra: what do you mean .au TZ
[11:13] <ogra> australian timezone :)
[11:14] <lucasvo> aha
[11:14] <lucasvo> oh
[11:14] <lucasvo> hm and I am from CH cool on the other side of the globe
[11:14] <ogra> dunno when he'll show up again
[11:14] <ogra> germany here ;)
[11:15] <lucasvo> there isn't any bot here ?
[11:15] <ogra> what for ?
[11:15] <lucasvo> ogra: something like !seen
[11:15] <ogra> nope
[11:15] <ogra> [19:58]  <-- Yagisan hat sich getrennt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[11:16] <ogra> i'm the living bot  ;)
[11:16] <lucasvo> ok
[11:16] <lucasvo> good
[11:18] <lucasvo> how can I test the floppy whith etherboot image without running ltsp?
[11:19] <ogra> as i said in #ltsp , i have no experience with etherboot... only PXE around here
 i'm the living bot  ;)
[11:22] <magnon> I do believe that to be true
[11:22] <ogra> lol
[11:59] <mhz> re
[12:00] <mhz> ogra, so you suggest rsync for this "new" start, right?
[12:00] <ogra> yup
[12:00] <ogra> take a recent image...
[12:01] <ogra> tomorrows will have a small fix that even prevents the install error if you use another IP
[12:02] <mhz> :)
[12:02] <mhz> any good working fool proof howto for that syncing?
[12:03] <ogra> copy your iso in a dri
[12:03] <ogra> dir
[12:03] <ogra> go to that dir
[12:03] <ogra> run: