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alleeFeel free to add some me-too: https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/2877 ;)12:18
allee#2877 is fixed ;)01:02
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alleeRiddell: is it okay to register digikam etc in launchpads KDE project or should I create a separete one (kde-extras or something like this?)01:26
alleeSh*t I can't register kde-bugs with KDE product. The form always wants me to create a new one :(01:39
Riddellallee: go ahead and register whatever is needed02:07
RiddellI don't know if you need permissions or something02:07
allee'k. I'll tell you when I malone does not love me enough ;)02:08
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StRHi all!02:20
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aliveuserhi06:07
aliveuseris there a way to log or watch kynaptic actions?06:07
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amuRiddell: i'll start building 3.4.3 for hoary 01:20
Riddellamu: starting with breezy would be best I think01:21
Riddellthen backport to hoary01:21
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JRethere is a KDE 3.4.3?01:22
amuRiddell: hmm also fine for me :) did you started ?    01:22
RiddellJRe: tagged today01:22
pefhello01:22
Riddellamu: no, I've not started anything01:22
amuJRe: yep downling sources now 01:22
JReamu: url?01:23
Riddellamu: packagers only01:23
JReok01:23
RiddellJRe: rather01:23
amuRiddell: i'll up them to novablubb there we can work together on it :) 01:23
Riddellamu: cool01:24
amuthe only problem is time :) i've max. 2-3h time / day for it 01:24
Riddellmuch as you think packaging can be just a case of debuil and walk away for a few hours it never ends up like that01:25
JReit seems there is not so many changes so thaht might not be long to package01:26
amuwhat's about existing bugs :D ? 01:26
Riddellamu: what bugs?01:26
amuRiddell: i can still upload them to main ? 01:26
amuRiddell: *g* ah i forgot we dont have any :)01:27
Riddellamu: no, main is closed for breezy01:27
sebasWill 3.4.3 make it into breezy?01:27
Riddellsebas: alas, no01:27
sebasOk, guessed that :)01:27
sebasHow far is breezy away anyway?01:27
Riddell1 week01:27
sebasOk.01:28
JReRiddell: I have find some packages in universe which have broken desktop files01:28
amuKDE_NO_IPV6=101:28
JReRiddell: should I fix them ?01:28
amuin /etc/environment improof the speed of konqueor 01:28
RiddellJRe: sure01:28
JReRiddell: ok send you the patches soon01:29
JReRiddell: BTW debian maintainer will includes the k3b patch (he was very happy because he was working on it but went out of time :) )01:29
amuRiddell: no prob, than i'll place them all on kubuntu.org  01:29
amueh haggai is still alive :)01:31
RiddellJRe: excellent (both points)01:35
Riddellamu: good plan01:35
Riddellhaggai might be at the linux expo today, not sure01:35
amuamu@novolazarevskaya:~ $ debootstrap breezy breezy http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu01:35
amuE: debootstrap can only run as root01:35
Riddelltell me about it01:35
Riddellyou can run dchroot to use the chroot01:35
amuis there a sudo magic ? 01:35
Riddellbut then you need to ask elmo to update it and install/uninstall required packages01:36
Riddelland elmo is on holiday I think01:36
amuhmm, ok, i build them on my buildd01:37
amu-rw-r--r--   1 amu  amu  426351346 2005-10-06 13:47 kde.tgz01:48
amuup it to my home 01:49
JReRiddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/klibido <-- fixed desktop file and location01:52
JReRiddell: I'll forward the patches to the debian maintainer01:55
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RiddellJRe: got a debdiff?01:56
JReRiddell: wait a sec I generate it01:57
JReRiddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/klibido/klibido.debdiff01:59
JRe(debdiff klibido_0.2.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb klibido_0.2.3-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb > klibido.debdiff )02:00
RiddellJRe: ah, amd64, fancy testing the RC CDs?02:00
JReRiddell: yes, sure02:01
Riddellhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051006/02:01
Riddelland daily-live02:02
RiddellJRe: you just removed usr/share/applnk/Utilities/klibido.desktop ?02:02
JReRiddell: no I add the GenericName in the desktop file02:02
RiddellJRe: oh, do the debdiff on the .dsc files02:02
Riddellnot the .debs02:02
JReRiddell: ha ok sorry :)02:02
JReRiddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/klibido/klibido_dsc.debdiff02:05
Tonio_JRe: concerning klibido, it is true that I didn't knew how to patch when I built it ;)02:14
JReTonio_:  it's not a crucial thing, but I found it nice to have the GenericName in the dekstop files because it helps new users02:15
Tonio_I titally agree02:15
Tonio_My last wlassistant in revue is built like this02:15
Tonio_going in the catgory in the kmenu, with a description in enlish (at least)....02:16
JReTonio_ how it's to help to configure wifi ?02:16
Tonio_yep02:16
JReTonio :) i have to try it02:16
Tonio_works nice but a few bugs02:16
jjesseRiddell:  how different will the about kubuntu guide be then what is currently in about ubuntu (http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/)02:16
Tonio_anyway, it is the only tool that helped my connecting to a wifi network graphically ;)02:16
Tonio_kdenetworkconf if really buggy, and kwifimanager doesn't work also02:17
Tonio_JRe: I've tried it and it works perfectly for the first conection02:17
Tonio_anyway if you disconect, dhclient is stopped and when you try to reconnect, connection fails, then you have to launch dhclient manually and the connection builds....02:18
Tonio_I have to post a bug to the upstream on that point.02:18
JReTonio_: hehe it's _really_ nice02:18
Tonio_JRe: but it works ;)02:18
Tonio_jre do you have access to revu ? in this case you can have a look at it ;)02:18
JReTonio_:  I have access to upload but I don't think I can't comment packages of other people02:19
Tonio_yes but if download the orig.tar.Gz and my debian forlder you might be able to build it02:19
Tonio_if you wanna test02:20
Tonio_when it'll debugged, it will be a must have if you have wifi ;)02:20
JReTonio_: sure I have wifi :)02:21
Tonio_I have to post that bug ....... but no time for this02:22
Tonio_tonight: concert with Dream theater, tomorrow and all the week end girlfriend at home ;)02:22
Tonio_damn !02:22
JReTonio_:  hehe02:25
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elvirolohi all02:29
JRehi02:29
elviroloamarok started using up more than 95 % CPU again02:29
elvirolois anyone experiencing that as well ?02:30
Tonio_elvirolo: I personaly came back to xine with amarok....02:31
JReelvirolo: me too I'm using xine backend now so no more problem like that02:31
Tonio_kaffeine or amarok gstreamer support is not that good at the moment..... causing lots of little issues like yours02:31
elviroloTonio_: i'm using xine-engine too02:31
Tonio_I don't know why it has been choosen to implement gstreamer by defualt02:31
Tonio_kaffeine's support for gstreamer is very, very recent and very partial at the moment......02:32
elviroloyeah i noticed it was rather no good02:32
Tonio_I assume it is to keep a certain logic with ubuntu that uses gstreamer everywhere, but well......02:32
JReelvirolo: you mean that you have a CPU peak when starting or a CPU peak all the time amarok is opened ?02:33
Tonio_I think that could have been done in 6 months with a more mature support, and keep xine by default for the moment02:33
elviroloJRe: no all the time02:33
Tonio_about everyone will go back to xine anyway.....02:33
JReelvirolo: that's strange I am using CPU graph and I only have a peak at startup02:33
JReelvirolo: what kind of file are you reading? only mp3's ?02:34
elviroloJRe: i use to have that some time ago, then it stopped after an update, and then started again with the last update (yesterday or something)02:34
Tonio_so you're using xine and are using 95%cpu.....02:34
Tonio_letme make a test02:34
JRe * Add kubuntu_02_column_sort_crash.diff fix a 02:35
JRe    crash on column sort http://bugs.kde.org/11304202:35
JReelvirolo: that's the only change of the package02:35
Tonio_elvirolo: 2.5% for me02:35
elvirolohum02:36
elviroloit does it at least with mp3's02:36
elvirololet me find some ogg's02:36
Tonio_but I'm playing Dire Straits -> good music ^^02:36
Tonio_maybe the more uggly i the music, the more cpu is isued ;)02:36
JReTonio_: I don't think amarok makes the difference ;)02:37
Tonio_that would be a good solution to eduate listeners ;)02:37
Tonio_hehe02:37
Tonio_educate02:37
elviroloyup indeed ...02:37
elvirolothis is miles davis & public enemy :)02:37
elvirolo(and it happens with ogg's too)02:37
Tonio_let me test with a bullshit like Britney......02:38
JReelvirolo: I just try with a mp3 an ogg a wma and did not have a peak02:38
Tonio_elvirolo: are you completly up to date ?02:38
elviroloyup02:38
Tonio_strange...... miles davis & PU is good music, so I don't understand... ^^02:39
elvirolo:-D02:39
Tonio_do you have a freshbreezy installation or is it an upgrade from hoary ?02:40
elviroloand of course there's still this annoying bug around : http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1606602:40
elviroloTonio_: fresh 02:40
Tonio_I had several issues when upgrading, and had to destroy my kde profile02:40
Tonio_argh......02:40
elviroloyeah i did a rm -fr ~/* anyway02:40
elvirolobrb02:41
Tonio_nice you didn't forget the ~..... just imagin your finger ripping lol ;)02:41
Tonio_well I must say I don't understand your problem, sorry......02:41
elvirolo_brbTonio_: i had back everything up anyway :)02:41
elvirolo_brbso02:48
elvirolo_brbthis is really strange02:48
Tonio_yep02:50
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elvirolohi again sry02:58
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OculusAquilaeRiddell: ping03:46
RiddellOculusAquilae: hi03:47
OculusAquilaehi Riddell03:48
OculusAquilaehave packaged ksniffer03:48
RiddellOculusAquilae: rocking03:48
RiddellOculusAquilae: put it on a webserver somewhere and I'll take a look03:49
RiddellOculusAquilae: you should also ask for an account on REVU03:49
OculusAquilaeok03:49
RiddellJRe: are you testing the RC amd64 CDs?03:50
JReRiddell: url ?03:50
RiddellJRe: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/03:51
Riddelland daily=live03:51
Riddelldaily-live03:51
JReok03:51
OculusAquilaeRiddell: http://www.oculusaquilae.de/deb/ksniffer/ << KSniffer03:54
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jjesseRiddell: i have installed the x86 version of daily and it rocks04:04
Riddelljjesse: excellent04:08
RiddellJRe: are you downloading those RC CDs?04:10
RiddellOculusAquilae: excellent pacakge04:23
RiddellOculusAquilae: few issues http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ksniffer04:23
OculusAquilaeok thanks, i can correct this04:24
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Riddellhello Hirion 04:40
Hirionhi04:41
RiddellHirion: don't happen to have an amd64 spare do you?04:45
HirionI have an amd64 system, but I have no Kubuntu installed. Only Ubuntu...04:46
Hirionmaybe this isn't important... why do you ask?04:47
JReRiddell: yes04:49
RiddellHirion: I'm looking for people to test the kubuntu breezy release candidate CDs on amd6404:52
RiddellJRe: great, no pressure but this release is waiting on you now :)04:52
RiddellHirion: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/04:53
JReRiddell: 12% :)04:57
HirionRiddell: I will test the live cd, but the download takes a while04:59
RiddellHirion: please do05:01
Hirion6% ;)05:04
jjesseis there anyway to make the kubuntu boot up screen brighter?  it is incredibly dark on older monitors05:17
jjessecan barely read the text05:17
OculusAquilaeRiddell: thanks for your tips updated package: http://www.oculusaquilae.de/deb/ksniffer/ << KSniffer05:18
Riddelljjesse: yes, find someone with artistic skillz to brighten it05:19
Riddelljjesse: the ok and scrollbar colours have changed, but they don't seem to be on the current 386 CD05:20
JReRiddell: I have taken the current one was it the good iso ?05:30
RiddellJRe: yes05:30
JReRiddell: breezy is out on october, 13, right ?05:30
RiddellJRe: yes, week today05:31
JReRiddell: and when updates will be stopped ?05:31
RiddellJRe: 18 months05:31
JReok05:31
JReok rebooting with amd64 livecvd05:35
Riddelllack of JRe isn't a good sign05:52
OculusAquilaeperhaps he is so fascinated, that he can't start irc :-)05:54
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RiddellJRe: ...?05:58
JReRiddell: really nice :)05:58
RiddellJRe: it worked?05:58
JReRiddell: the livecd seems to work perfectly05:59
Riddellphew, we were getting worried05:59
JReRiddell: I have listened a ogg05:59
JReRiddell: opened a .doc05:59
JReRiddell: setuped the wifi and connected05:59
JReRiddell: to say the truth i am impressed06:00
JRe:)06:00
JReRiddell: whant kind of test are you interested I perform06:02
JReRiddell: normal usage ?06:02
RiddellJRe: just make sure it boots is the main thing06:02
RiddellJRe: able to test the install CD?06:02
JReRiddell: there is a way to do that without loosing my current config :) ?06:03
RiddellJRe: do you have /home/ on a different partition?06:03
JReRiddell: yes06:03
RiddellJRe: then just don't format /home06:04
JReRiddell: ok i start downloading06:04
RiddellJRe: try rsyncing against the live CD06:04
Riddellcp breezy-live-amd64.iso breezy-install-amd64.iso06:05
Riddellsee KubuntuFiles for hte rsync URL06:05
JReRiddell: ok06:05
Riddellshould be faster in theory06:06
JReRiddell: how can i know if it has worked ?06:09
JReok I have understood06:13
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JReRiddell: there was trouble before with the amd64 cd ?06:14
RiddellJRe: nope06:15
RiddellJRe: but we do need to test the CDs before releasing them on people06:15
RiddellI have PC and mac here but no amd6406:15
Riddell(yet)06:15
JReRiddell: will the adept icon bug be fixed before official kubuntu ?06:15
JReRiddell: that is already nice :)06:15
RiddellJRe: adept icon works, adept updated is fixed in SVN and will be uploaded after RC06:16
JRek06:16
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JRe75 % :)06:41
jjesseany reason why i can't ssh into a box after upgrade this morning for breezy, connection refused and ssh is running, can ssh to the ip address from the console06:47
Riddellif you can ssh what isn't working?06:48
jjesselet me try and explain: on my box i cannot ssh to the recently updated box... on the updated box i can ssh localhost, ssh ipaddress and get connected06:49
Riddellwhat happens when you ssh to the box06:51
Riddellssh -v may help as well06:51
jjessessh: connect to host 192.168.1.56 port 22: Connection refused06:52
jjessessh -v can be found at http://pastebin.com/38513106:53
Hirionfinally I can test the live cd... rebooting06:54
JRek burning install cd06:59
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Riddelljjesse: sure it's the right IP?07:07
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jjesseRiddell: yes ifconfig shows eth0 inet addre 192.168.1.5607:08
RiddellHirion: dood07:08
Riddelljjesse: can you ping it?07:08
jjesseRiddell: yes07:08
jjesseRiddell:  nmap output of that host http://pastebin.com/38516007:09
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JReRiddell: ooooow07:10
JReRiddell: I discovered a little bug07:10
JReHirion: have you tested the livecd ?07:10
RiddellJRe: what's up?07:11
JReRiddell: I don't know if it's specific to my keyboard but when I first hit return on the boot screen07:11
JReRiddell: It displays a "1" and validate07:11
HirionJRe: I am still testing it ;)07:12
JReRiddell: so it says kernel 1 nout found07:12
JReRiddell: but the second time i press return it's good07:12
JReRiddell: it's the weirdest bug i ever have07:12
JReHirion: did you have the error I just described07:12
JReHirion: ?07:12
RiddellJRe: did it install?07:13
Hirionno, but I pressed F1 first... I can test it, if you want07:13
JReHirion: ok test it if you can ;)07:13
Hirionok07:14
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Riddelljjesse: tried restarting the ssh daemon?07:15
jjesseRiddell: yes i have ssh restart and also ssh reload and ssh force-reload07:16
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HirionI can't reproduce this bug...07:18
RiddellHirion: that's good :)07:19
Riddelljjesse: I'm out of ideas I'm afraid07:19
Riddelljjesse: I'll make a note to test it when I do my hoary upgrade tests07:19
jjesseRiddell: ok i can just install the cd instead of an upgrade07:20
Riddelljjesse: guess you could try purging and reinstalling ssh07:20
jjesseok07:20
Hirionwhy doesn't "News" and "Synchronization" work in Kontact? Some files are missing07:21
RiddellHirion: they arn't installed by default07:22
Riddellquestion is why they are showing up in the sidebar07:22
Hirionhehe, ok07:22
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Riddellwhere oh where is JRe07:44
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JRere'08:01
JReRiddell: ok it works very well08:01
RiddellJRe!08:01
Riddellawooga08:01
RiddellJRe: can you keep the cdimages for the week so next week you can juSt rsync the final one08:06
JReRiddell: ok!08:06
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StRhi all!09:25
StRcoudl anyone help me with my keyboard settings?09:25
StRI want to have my english layout, right?  and also the Dvorak layout....09:26
StR but after I move the english from the availabe layouts to the acrive layouts, I can only choose 1 layout variant  (basic, int,   alt-int, dvorak, rus)09:26
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jjesseRiddell:  my ssh problem is local to my one system, was able to connect to it from anothe system09:55
Riddelljjesse: spooky09:57
amuchecking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp09:59
amuconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check09:59
amuSee `config.log' for more details.09:59
amumake: *** [obj-i486-linux-gnu/config.status]  Error 109:59
amudebuild: fatal error at line 765:09:59
amudpkg-buildpackage failed!09:59
amuhmm what does this mean ? 10:00
Riddellyour g++ is insane10:00
Riddellor you don't have something installed10:00
amu:) that a fresh breezy :)10:00
amus/that/thats 10:01
Riddellfresh breezy doesn't have g++ installed10:01
amuviola here we are :D 10:02
amusignfile arts_1.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.changes Andreas Mueller <amu@ubuntu.com>10:09
amu:) 10:09
Riddellwoo!10:13
amu:) that was the easiest part 10:21
Riddellbut a good start10:21
amubtw. we got a ppc maschine donated :)     10:21
Riddellwho did?10:22
amupegasos 10:22
Riddellwhat sort of machine?10:22
amui asked emil some time ago, do you remember? 10:22
Riddellyes, remember something about that10:22
amuno idea about the specs, but all time better than building it on my powerpook, and it's hosted in our DC with 100mbit flat 10:24
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haggaiooh an amu10:47
haggaiwell, answering questions on the KDE stand was much harder than on the debian stand, especially those of the art 'my RH KDE install screws itself everyreboot, why?'10:48
Riddellhaggai: you're a star10:48
haggaiRiddell: heh, well I don't know about that but I tried :)10:54
amueh haggai 11:00
haggaiamu!!!11:06
amuhaggai???11:07
haggaiamu: :) just happy to see you're still alive11:07
amusure, i recharged last months, thought what i'll do with such an ammount of free time, well then i thought i should help riddell, he certainly needs some help, guess you read my mail about fixing security in debian :)11:16
amui cannot believe such na bullshit, that soo many secu bugs are open, i'm still evaluation ubuntu in office, for our thousends servers 11:18
Riddellamu: not evaluating kubuntu?11:19
amuRiddell: hahahaha :) i thought that question will come11:20
amui'm evaluating with kubuntu on new dell servers11:21
amusoon there will be medium sized dell servers called Dell 850, (k)ubuntu runs fine with them11:22
amustarting november i'll get the new Dell 2950 Series, if this is also successfull and they dont need change hardware, with some luck we'll move to kubuntu next year  11:23
amuall server still runns on woody, so it's easy decision11:24
amukubuntu or ubuntu server whatever is "better" supported11:24
amuRiddell: http://amu.homelinux.org/tmp/kdelibs_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.build11:29
Riddellamu: looks like you're trying to mix unsermake with non-unsermake11:34
Riddellamu: remove unsermake from debian/control and debian/rules11:34
amuhmm do you use unsermake ? i thought you told me same time moving everything to unsermake ....    11:35
Riddell3.4.2 was made with unsermake but it caused some problems like arts randomly crashing, plus some compile issues so I probably won't bother in future11:36
amuah ok, arts was made with unsermake, should i disable it also?11:50
Riddellamu: yeah.  you sure it was made with unsermake?  I thought that should have long gone from arts since it caused trouble11:52
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amuRiddell: log say no, but it depends in control, but isnt used :)11:55
Riddellamu: ah I think that's just left over, you can get rid of it in control then11:56
Riddellbut no need to recompile11:57

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