[12:18] <allee> Feel free to add some me-too: https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/2877 ;)
[01:02] <allee> #2877 is fixed ;)
[01:26] <allee> Riddell: is it okay to register digikam etc in launchpads KDE project or should I create a separete one (kde-extras or something like this?)
[01:39] <allee> Sh*t I can't register kde-bugs with KDE product. The form always wants me to create a new one :(
[02:07] <Riddell> allee: go ahead and register whatever is needed
[02:07] <Riddell> I don't know if you need permissions or something
[02:08] <allee> 'k. I'll tell you when I malone does not love me enough ;)
[02:20] <StR> Hi all!
[06:07] <aliveuser> hi
[06:07] <aliveuser> is there a way to log or watch kynaptic actions?
[01:20] <amu> Riddell: i'll start building 3.4.3 for hoary 
[01:21] <Riddell> amu: starting with breezy would be best I think
[01:21] <Riddell> then backport to hoary
[01:22] <JRe> there is a KDE 3.4.3?
[01:22] <amu> Riddell: hmm also fine for me :) did you started ?    
[01:22] <Riddell> JRe: tagged today
[01:22] <pef> hello
[01:22] <Riddell> amu: no, I've not started anything
[01:22] <amu> JRe: yep downling sources now 
[01:23] <JRe> amu: url?
[01:23] <Riddell> amu: packagers only
[01:23] <JRe> ok
[01:23] <Riddell> JRe: rather
[01:23] <amu> Riddell: i'll up them to novablubb there we can work together on it :) 
[01:24] <Riddell> amu: cool
[01:24] <amu> the only problem is time :) i've max. 2-3h time / day for it 
[01:25] <Riddell> much as you think packaging can be just a case of debuil and walk away for a few hours it never ends up like that
[01:26] <JRe> it seems there is not so many changes so thaht might not be long to package
[01:26] <amu> what's about existing bugs :D ? 
[01:26] <Riddell> amu: what bugs?
[01:26] <amu> Riddell: i can still upload them to main ? 
[01:27] <amu> Riddell: *g* ah i forgot we dont have any :)
[01:27] <Riddell> amu: no, main is closed for breezy
[01:27] <sebas> Will 3.4.3 make it into breezy?
[01:27] <Riddell> sebas: alas, no
[01:27] <sebas> Ok, guessed that :)
[01:27] <sebas> How far is breezy away anyway?
[01:27] <Riddell> 1 week
[01:28] <sebas> Ok.
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: I have find some packages in universe which have broken desktop files
[01:28] <amu> KDE_NO_IPV6=1
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: should I fix them ?
[01:28] <amu> in /etc/environment improof the speed of konqueor 
[01:28] <Riddell> JRe: sure
[01:29] <JRe> Riddell: ok send you the patches soon
[01:29] <JRe> Riddell: BTW debian maintainer will includes the k3b patch (he was very happy because he was working on it but went out of time :) )
[01:29] <amu> Riddell: no prob, than i'll place them all on kubuntu.org  
[01:31] <amu> eh haggai is still alive :)
[01:35] <Riddell> JRe: excellent (both points)
[01:35] <Riddell> amu: good plan
[01:35] <Riddell> haggai might be at the linux expo today, not sure
[01:35] <amu> amu@novolazarevskaya:~ $ debootstrap breezy breezy http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[01:35] <amu> E: debootstrap can only run as root
[01:35] <Riddell> tell me about it
[01:35] <Riddell> you can run dchroot to use the chroot
[01:35] <amu> is there a sudo magic ? 
[01:36] <Riddell> but then you need to ask elmo to update it and install/uninstall required packages
[01:36] <Riddell> and elmo is on holiday I think
[01:37] <amu> hmm, ok, i build them on my buildd
[01:48] <amu> -rw-r--r--   1 amu  amu  426351346 2005-10-06 13:47 kde.tgz
[01:49] <amu> up it to my home 
[01:52] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/klibido <-- fixed desktop file and location
[01:55] <JRe> Riddell: I'll forward the patches to the debian maintainer
[01:56] <Riddell> JRe: got a debdiff?
[01:57] <JRe> Riddell: wait a sec I generate it
[01:59] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/klibido/klibido.debdiff
[02:00] <JRe> (debdiff klibido_0.2.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb klibido_0.2.3-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb > klibido.debdiff )
[02:00] <Riddell> JRe: ah, amd64, fancy testing the RC CDs?
[02:01] <JRe> Riddell: yes, sure
[02:01] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051006/
[02:02] <Riddell> and daily-live
[02:02] <Riddell> JRe: you just removed usr/share/applnk/Utilities/klibido.desktop ?
[02:02] <JRe> Riddell: no I add the GenericName in the desktop file
[02:02] <Riddell> JRe: oh, do the debdiff on the .dsc files
[02:02] <Riddell> not the .debs
[02:02] <JRe> Riddell: ha ok sorry :)
[02:05] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/klibido/klibido_dsc.debdiff
[02:14] <Tonio_> JRe: concerning klibido, it is true that I didn't knew how to patch when I built it ;)
[02:15] <JRe> Tonio_:  it's not a crucial thing, but I found it nice to have the GenericName in the dekstop files because it helps new users
[02:15] <Tonio_> I titally agree
[02:15] <Tonio_> My last wlassistant in revue is built like this
[02:16] <Tonio_> going in the catgory in the kmenu, with a description in enlish (at least)....
[02:16] <JRe> Tonio_ how it's to help to configure wifi ?
[02:16] <Tonio_> yep
[02:16] <JRe> Tonio :) i have to try it
[02:16] <Tonio_> works nice but a few bugs
[02:16] <jjesse> Riddell:  how different will the about kubuntu guide be then what is currently in about ubuntu (http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/about-ubuntu/C/)
[02:16] <Tonio_> anyway, it is the only tool that helped my connecting to a wifi network graphically ;)
[02:17] <Tonio_> kdenetworkconf if really buggy, and kwifimanager doesn't work also
[02:17] <Tonio_> JRe: I've tried it and it works perfectly for the first conection
[02:18] <Tonio_> anyway if you disconect, dhclient is stopped and when you try to reconnect, connection fails, then you have to launch dhclient manually and the connection builds....
[02:18] <Tonio_> I have to post a bug to the upstream on that point.
[02:18] <JRe> Tonio_: hehe it's _really_ nice
[02:18] <Tonio_> JRe: but it works ;)
[02:18] <Tonio_> jre do you have access to revu ? in this case you can have a look at it ;)
[02:19] <JRe> Tonio_:  I have access to upload but I don't think I can't comment packages of other people
[02:19] <Tonio_> yes but if download the orig.tar.Gz and my debian forlder you might be able to build it
[02:20] <Tonio_> if you wanna test
[02:20] <Tonio_> when it'll debugged, it will be a must have if you have wifi ;)
[02:21] <JRe> Tonio_: sure I have wifi :)
[02:22] <Tonio_> I have to post that bug ....... but no time for this
[02:22] <Tonio_> tonight: concert with Dream theater, tomorrow and all the week end girlfriend at home ;)
[02:22] <Tonio_> damn !
[02:25] <JRe> Tonio_:  hehe
[02:29] <elvirolo> hi all
[02:29] <JRe> hi
[02:29] <elvirolo> amarok started using up more than 95 % CPU again
[02:30] <elvirolo> is anyone experiencing that as well ?
[02:31] <Tonio_> elvirolo: I personaly came back to xine with amarok....
[02:31] <JRe> elvirolo: me too I'm using xine backend now so no more problem like that
[02:31] <Tonio_> kaffeine or amarok gstreamer support is not that good at the moment..... causing lots of little issues like yours
[02:31] <elvirolo> Tonio_: i'm using xine-engine too
[02:31] <Tonio_> I don't know why it has been choosen to implement gstreamer by defualt
[02:32] <Tonio_> kaffeine's support for gstreamer is very, very recent and very partial at the moment......
[02:32] <elvirolo> yeah i noticed it was rather no good
[02:32] <Tonio_> I assume it is to keep a certain logic with ubuntu that uses gstreamer everywhere, but well......
[02:33] <JRe> elvirolo: you mean that you have a CPU peak when starting or a CPU peak all the time amarok is opened ?
[02:33] <Tonio_> I think that could have been done in 6 months with a more mature support, and keep xine by default for the moment
[02:33] <elvirolo> JRe: no all the time
[02:33] <Tonio_> about everyone will go back to xine anyway.....
[02:33] <JRe> elvirolo: that's strange I am using CPU graph and I only have a peak at startup
[02:34] <JRe> elvirolo: what kind of file are you reading? only mp3's ?
[02:34] <elvirolo> JRe: i use to have that some time ago, then it stopped after an update, and then started again with the last update (yesterday or something)
[02:34] <Tonio_> so you're using xine and are using 95%cpu.....
[02:34] <Tonio_> letme make a test
[02:35] <JRe>  * Add kubuntu_02_column_sort_crash.diff fix a 
[02:35] <JRe>     crash on column sort http://bugs.kde.org/113042
[02:35] <JRe> elvirolo: that's the only change of the package
[02:35] <Tonio_> elvirolo: 2.5% for me
[02:36] <elvirolo> hum
[02:36] <elvirolo> it does it at least with mp3's
[02:36] <elvirolo> let me find some ogg's
[02:36] <Tonio_> but I'm playing Dire Straits -> good music ^^
[02:36] <Tonio_> maybe the more uggly i the music, the more cpu is isued ;)
[02:37] <JRe> Tonio_: I don't think amarok makes the difference ;)
[02:37] <Tonio_> that would be a good solution to eduate listeners ;)
[02:37] <Tonio_> hehe
[02:37] <Tonio_> educate
[02:37] <elvirolo> yup indeed ...
[02:37] <elvirolo> this is miles davis & public enemy :)
[02:37] <elvirolo> (and it happens with ogg's too)
[02:38] <Tonio_> let me test with a bullshit like Britney......
[02:38] <JRe> elvirolo: I just try with a mp3 an ogg a wma and did not have a peak
[02:38] <Tonio_> elvirolo: are you completly up to date ?
[02:38] <elvirolo> yup
[02:39] <Tonio_> strange...... miles davis & PU is good music, so I don't understand... ^^
[02:39] <elvirolo> :-D
[02:40] <Tonio_> do you have a freshbreezy installation or is it an upgrade from hoary ?
[02:40] <elvirolo> and of course there's still this annoying bug around : http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16066
[02:40] <elvirolo> Tonio_: fresh 
[02:40] <Tonio_> I had several issues when upgrading, and had to destroy my kde profile
[02:40] <Tonio_> argh......
[02:40] <elvirolo> yeah i did a rm -fr ~/* anyway
[02:41] <elvirolo> brb
[02:41] <Tonio_> nice you didn't forget the ~..... just imagin your finger ripping lol ;)
[02:41] <Tonio_> well I must say I don't understand your problem, sorry......
[02:41] <elvirolo_brb> Tonio_: i had back everything up anyway :)
[02:48] <elvirolo_brb> so
[02:48] <elvirolo_brb> this is really strange
[02:50] <Tonio_> yep
[02:58] <elvirolo> hi again sry
[03:46] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[03:47] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[03:48] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell
[03:48] <OculusAquilae> have packaged ksniffer
[03:48] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: rocking
[03:49] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: put it on a webserver somewhere and I'll take a look
[03:49] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: you should also ask for an account on REVU
[03:49] <OculusAquilae> ok
[03:50] <Riddell> JRe: are you testing the RC amd64 CDs?
[03:50] <JRe> Riddell: url ?
[03:51] <Riddell> JRe: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
[03:51] <Riddell> and daily=live
[03:51] <Riddell> daily-live
[03:51] <JRe> ok
[03:54] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: http://www.oculusaquilae.de/deb/ksniffer/ << KSniffer
[04:04] <jjesse> Riddell: i have installed the x86 version of daily and it rocks
[04:08] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent
[04:10] <Riddell> JRe: are you downloading those RC CDs?
[04:23] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: excellent pacakge
[04:23] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: few issues http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ksniffer
[04:24] <OculusAquilae> ok thanks, i can correct this
[04:40] <Riddell> hello Hirion 
[04:41] <Hirion> hi
[04:45] <Riddell> Hirion: don't happen to have an amd64 spare do you?
[04:46] <Hirion> I have an amd64 system, but I have no Kubuntu installed. Only Ubuntu...
[04:47] <Hirion> maybe this isn't important... why do you ask?
[04:49] <JRe> Riddell: yes
[04:52] <Riddell> Hirion: I'm looking for people to test the kubuntu breezy release candidate CDs on amd64
[04:52] <Riddell> JRe: great, no pressure but this release is waiting on you now :)
[04:53] <Riddell> Hirion: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[04:57] <JRe> Riddell: 12% :)
[04:59] <Hirion> Riddell: I will test the live cd, but the download takes a while
[05:01] <Riddell> Hirion: please do
[05:04] <Hirion> 6% ;)
[05:17] <jjesse> is there anyway to make the kubuntu boot up screen brighter?  it is incredibly dark on older monitors
[05:17] <jjesse> can barely read the text
[05:18] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: thanks for your tips updated package: http://www.oculusaquilae.de/deb/ksniffer/ << KSniffer
[05:19] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, find someone with artistic skillz to brighten it
[05:20] <Riddell> jjesse: the ok and scrollbar colours have changed, but they don't seem to be on the current 386 CD
[05:30] <JRe> Riddell: I have taken the current one was it the good iso ?
[05:30] <Riddell> JRe: yes
[05:30] <JRe> Riddell: breezy is out on october, 13, right ?
[05:31] <Riddell> JRe: yes, week today
[05:31] <JRe> Riddell: and when updates will be stopped ?
[05:31] <Riddell> JRe: 18 months
[05:31] <JRe> ok
[05:35] <JRe> ok rebooting with amd64 livecvd
[05:52] <Riddell> lack of JRe isn't a good sign
[05:54] <OculusAquilae> perhaps he is so fascinated, that he can't start irc :-)
[05:58] <Riddell> JRe: ...?
[05:58] <JRe> Riddell: really nice :)
[05:58] <Riddell> JRe: it worked?
[05:59] <JRe> Riddell: the livecd seems to work perfectly
[05:59] <Riddell> phew, we were getting worried
[05:59] <JRe> Riddell: I have listened a ogg
[05:59] <JRe> Riddell: opened a .doc
[05:59] <JRe> Riddell: setuped the wifi and connected
[06:00] <JRe> Riddell: to say the truth i am impressed
[06:00] <JRe> :)
[06:02] <JRe> Riddell: whant kind of test are you interested I perform
[06:02] <JRe> Riddell: normal usage ?
[06:02] <Riddell> JRe: just make sure it boots is the main thing
[06:02] <Riddell> JRe: able to test the install CD?
[06:03] <JRe> Riddell: there is a way to do that without loosing my current config :) ?
[06:03] <Riddell> JRe: do you have /home/ on a different partition?
[06:03] <JRe> Riddell: yes
[06:04] <Riddell> JRe: then just don't format /home
[06:04] <JRe> Riddell: ok i start downloading
[06:04] <Riddell> JRe: try rsyncing against the live CD
[06:05] <Riddell> cp breezy-live-amd64.iso breezy-install-amd64.iso
[06:05] <Riddell> see KubuntuFiles for hte rsync URL
[06:05] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[06:06] <Riddell> should be faster in theory
[06:09] <JRe> Riddell: how can i know if it has worked ?
[06:13] <JRe> ok I have understood
[06:14] <JRe> Riddell: there was trouble before with the amd64 cd ?
[06:15] <Riddell> JRe: nope
[06:15] <Riddell> JRe: but we do need to test the CDs before releasing them on people
[06:15] <Riddell> I have PC and mac here but no amd64
[06:15] <Riddell> (yet)
[06:15] <JRe> Riddell: will the adept icon bug be fixed before official kubuntu ?
[06:15] <JRe> Riddell: that is already nice :)
[06:16] <Riddell> JRe: adept icon works, adept updated is fixed in SVN and will be uploaded after RC
[06:16] <JRe> k
[06:41] <JRe> 75 % :)
[06:47] <jjesse> any reason why i can't ssh into a box after upgrade this morning for breezy, connection refused and ssh is running, can ssh to the ip address from the console
[06:48] <Riddell> if you can ssh what isn't working?
[06:49] <jjesse> let me try and explain: on my box i cannot ssh to the recently updated box... on the updated box i can ssh localhost, ssh ipaddress and get connected
[06:51] <Riddell> what happens when you ssh to the box
[06:51] <Riddell> ssh -v may help as well
[06:52] <jjesse> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.56 port 22: Connection refused
[06:53] <jjesse> ssh -v can be found at http://pastebin.com/385131
[06:54] <Hirion> finally I can test the live cd... rebooting
[06:59] <JRe> k burning install cd
[07:07] <Riddell> jjesse: sure it's the right IP?
[07:08] <jjesse> Riddell: yes ifconfig shows eth0 inet addre 192.168.1.56
[07:08] <Riddell> Hirion: dood
[07:08] <Riddell> jjesse: can you ping it?
[07:08] <jjesse> Riddell: yes
[07:09] <jjesse> Riddell:  nmap output of that host http://pastebin.com/385160
[07:10] <JRe> Riddell: ooooow
[07:10] <JRe> Riddell: I discovered a little bug
[07:10] <JRe> Hirion: have you tested the livecd ?
[07:11] <Riddell> JRe: what's up?
[07:11] <JRe> Riddell: I don't know if it's specific to my keyboard but when I first hit return on the boot screen
[07:11] <JRe> Riddell: It displays a "1" and validate
[07:12] <Hirion> JRe: I am still testing it ;)
[07:12] <JRe> Riddell: so it says kernel 1 nout found
[07:12] <JRe> Riddell: but the second time i press return it's good
[07:12] <JRe> Riddell: it's the weirdest bug i ever have
[07:12] <JRe> Hirion: did you have the error I just described
[07:12] <JRe> Hirion: ?
[07:13] <Riddell> JRe: did it install?
[07:13] <Hirion> no, but I pressed F1 first... I can test it, if you want
[07:13] <JRe> Hirion: ok test it if you can ;)
[07:14] <Hirion> ok
[07:15] <Riddell> jjesse: tried restarting the ssh daemon?
[07:16] <jjesse> Riddell: yes i have ssh restart and also ssh reload and ssh force-reload
[07:18] <Hirion> I can't reproduce this bug...
[07:19] <Riddell> Hirion: that's good :)
[07:19] <Riddell> jjesse: I'm out of ideas I'm afraid
[07:19] <Riddell> jjesse: I'll make a note to test it when I do my hoary upgrade tests
[07:20] <jjesse> Riddell: ok i can just install the cd instead of an upgrade
[07:20] <Riddell> jjesse: guess you could try purging and reinstalling ssh
[07:20] <jjesse> ok
[07:21] <Hirion> why doesn't "News" and "Synchronization" work in Kontact? Some files are missing
[07:22] <Riddell> Hirion: they arn't installed by default
[07:22] <Riddell> question is why they are showing up in the sidebar
[07:22] <Hirion> hehe, ok
[07:44] <Riddell> where oh where is JRe
[08:01] <JRe> re'
[08:01] <JRe> Riddell: ok it works very well
[08:01] <Riddell> JRe!
[08:01] <Riddell> awooga
[08:06] <Riddell> JRe: can you keep the cdimages for the week so next week you can juSt rsync the final one
[08:06] <JRe> Riddell: ok!
[09:25] <StR> hi all!
[09:25] <StR> coudl anyone help me with my keyboard settings?
[09:26] <StR> I want to have my english layout, right?  and also the Dvorak layout....
[09:26] <StR>  but after I move the english from the availabe layouts to the acrive layouts, I can only choose 1 layout variant  (basic, int,   alt-int, dvorak, rus)
[09:55] <jjesse> Riddell:  my ssh problem is local to my one system, was able to connect to it from anothe system
[09:57] <Riddell> jjesse: spooky
[09:59] <amu> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[09:59] <amu> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:59] <amu> See `config.log' for more details.
[09:59] <amu> make: *** [obj-i486-linux-gnu/config.status]  Error 1
[09:59] <amu> debuild: fatal error at line 765:
[09:59] <amu> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[10:00] <amu> hmm what does this mean ? 
[10:00] <Riddell> your g++ is insane
[10:00] <Riddell> or you don't have something installed
[10:00] <amu> :) that a fresh breezy :)
[10:01] <amu> s/that/thats 
[10:01] <Riddell> fresh breezy doesn't have g++ installed
[10:02] <amu> viola here we are :D 
[10:09] <amu> signfile arts_1.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.changes Andreas Mueller <amu@ubuntu.com>
[10:09] <amu> :) 
[10:13] <Riddell> woo!
[10:21] <amu> :) that was the easiest part 
[10:21] <Riddell> but a good start
[10:21] <amu> btw. we got a ppc maschine donated :)     
[10:22] <Riddell> who did?
[10:22] <amu> pegasos 
[10:22] <Riddell> what sort of machine?
[10:22] <amu> i asked emil some time ago, do you remember? 
[10:22] <Riddell> yes, remember something about that
[10:24] <amu> no idea about the specs, but all time better than building it on my powerpook, and it's hosted in our DC with 100mbit flat 
[10:47] <haggai> ooh an amu
[10:48] <haggai> well, answering questions on the KDE stand was much harder than on the debian stand, especially those of the art 'my RH KDE install screws itself everyreboot, why?'
[10:48] <Riddell> haggai: you're a star
[10:54] <haggai> Riddell: heh, well I don't know about that but I tried :)
[11:00] <amu> eh haggai 
[11:06] <haggai> amu!!!
[11:07] <amu> haggai???
[11:07] <haggai> amu: :) just happy to see you're still alive
[11:16] <amu> sure, i recharged last months, thought what i'll do with such an ammount of free time, well then i thought i should help riddell, he certainly needs some help, guess you read my mail about fixing security in debian :)
[11:18] <amu> i cannot believe such na bullshit, that soo many secu bugs are open, i'm still evaluation ubuntu in office, for our thousends servers 
[11:19] <Riddell> amu: not evaluating kubuntu?
[11:20] <amu> Riddell: hahahaha :) i thought that question will come
[11:21] <amu> i'm evaluating with kubuntu on new dell servers
[11:22] <amu> soon there will be medium sized dell servers called Dell 850, (k)ubuntu runs fine with them
[11:23] <amu> starting november i'll get the new Dell 2950 Series, if this is also successfull and they dont need change hardware, with some luck we'll move to kubuntu next year  
[11:24] <amu> all server still runns on woody, so it's easy decision
[11:24] <amu> kubuntu or ubuntu server whatever is "better" supported
[11:29] <amu> Riddell: http://amu.homelinux.org/tmp/kdelibs_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.build
[11:34] <Riddell> amu: looks like you're trying to mix unsermake with non-unsermake
[11:34] <Riddell> amu: remove unsermake from debian/control and debian/rules
[11:35] <amu> hmm do you use unsermake ? i thought you told me same time moving everything to unsermake ....    
[11:36] <Riddell> 3.4.2 was made with unsermake but it caused some problems like arts randomly crashing, plus some compile issues so I probably won't bother in future
[11:50] <amu> ah ok, arts was made with unsermake, should i disable it also?
[11:52] <Riddell> amu: yeah.  you sure it was made with unsermake?  I thought that should have long gone from arts since it caused trouble
[11:55] <amu> Riddell: log say no, but it depends in control, but isnt used :)
[11:56] <Riddell> amu: ah I think that's just left over, you can get rid of it in control then
[11:57] <Riddell> but no need to recompile