[12:02] 32 [12:03] What's the "ia" part mean? [12:03] [NetSkier: skype [12:04] <[NetSkier> phoenixbyrd, Really??? [12:04] <_gdh> Rogue_Jedi_X: 'Intel Architecture' ? [12:04] [NetSkier: I've heard success stories about OpenWengo as well. Not speaking from experience, though [12:04] yea, u can get it from kynaptic [12:04] _gdh: Didn't know that [12:04] <[NetSkier> Sjkype is closed source, and was written by some of the inventors of Spy Ware. Sounds risky to me. [12:05] idk, I've always used skyp without any problems or spyware [12:05] skype* [12:05] [NetSkier: http://www.openwengo.com/ <- Open Source [12:05] <[NetSkier> I am afraid of all Windows products,and their derivatives. [12:05] I ain't afraid of no solitaire! === hippie [n=hippie@pc-200-74-33-89.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:08] what do i type in terminal to shutdown the computer after 10 minutes from when i excute the command? [12:08] sudo halt -t xx(minutes??) [12:10] <[NetSkier> What is ksynaptic? [12:10] <_gdh> [NetSkier: Kynaptic is a quick hack to have /some/ KDE installer. It will be replaced by Adept in breezy. [12:11] Adept R0x :P === hippie [n=hippie@pc-200-74-33-89.trinidad1.pc.metropolis-inter.com] has joined #kubuntu === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #kubuntu [12:17] <[NetSkier> Following up, what is Adept? [12:17] <_gdh> A very pleasant KDE-based package manager [12:17] <_gdh> *frontend for apt [12:18] <[NetSkier> Thanks. I am already pretty familiar with apt. [12:18] <[NetSkier> Took quite a while though. [12:19] <[NetSkier> years, actually [12:20] <[NetSkier> Looks like I need to add some entries to my sources list to get an IAX2 softphone. [12:20] <[NetSkier> What version of regular Debian does Kubuntu correspond? Stable, testing,unstable, experimental? [12:21] <[NetSkier> apt-cache search iax2 finds nothing with the stock Kubuntu sources.list. [12:21] stable [12:22] experimental is the 4.10 [12:23] [NetSkier: I think that using those ''levels'' is wrong. [12:23] <[NetSkier> openwengo btw is a sip client. [12:23] [NetSkier: because two of them change with time. [12:23] [NetSkier: currently the 'stable' level is the version called Sarge and the 'testing' level is the version called Etch. [12:24] <[NetSkier> Blissex, I usually run a mixture of testing/unstable; I am a Kubuntu newbie. === kevman [i=Kevin@205.146.51.210] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:24] [NetSkier: broadly speaking Ubuntu Hoary is roughly compatible with Debian Sarge and Ubuntu Breezy with Debian Etch. [12:24] <[NetSkier> Blissex, thanks; that helps. [12:25] damn [12:25] [NetSkier: as a rule never refer to Debian versions, especially in 'sources.list', by their level names, always use the version names. [12:25] other irc client crashed [12:25] but i'm still here ;) [12:25] <[NetSkier> Blissex, why? [12:25] [NetSkier: as I mentioned before, because what corresponds to the levels 'stable' and 'testing' changes with time. They are states, not versions. [12:26] <[NetSkier> By using level names, I never have to change them, year after year. [12:26] [NetSkier: but what you have changes dramatically on a release changeover. [12:26] <[NetSkier> sure; I do an apt-get dist-upgrade at that point. [12:27] [NetSkier: which can be pretty dangerous. Since Ubuntu and Kubuntu release every six months, they don't use level names... [12:27] [NetSkier: a 'dist-upgrade' is safe only if you don't have nonstandard packages. A release changeover has to be considered carefully... [12:27] [NetSkier: however, eventually the force will enligthen you :-). [12:28] <[NetSkier> Blissex, ok; sounds good. [12:28] [NetSkier: in the meantime you might want to study the dangerous tomes here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ for the thrill of having mixed Debian/Ubuntu sources and levels. [12:28] <[NetSkier> Blissex, The main problem I see with dist-upgrade is having to remember to remove the unstable sources, or else one can go all the way to unstable [12:29] [NetSkier: but never yield to the temptation of the dark side of the APT. === Flying_Eagle [n=f_e@pD95347A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:29] [NetSkier: it is far subtler than that. [12:29] [NetSkier: the problem is that on a release changeover there are usually several ABI changeovers, and if you have installed nonstandard packages, this can cause a lot of problems. [12:29] <[NetSkier> I just run the regular packages from the regular Debian repostitores. [12:30] <[NetSkier> I avoid the nonstandard packages for that reason. [12:31] [NetSkier: but avoiding nonstandard packages is awesomely difficult, for example because of media codes that cannot be part of Debian... === satafterh [n=robin@fctnnbsc15w-156034078140.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:31] [NetSkier: and for example I run a Debian base, but with X.org and KDE and other stuff taken from Ubuntu. But I _really_ know what I am doing :-). === troy [n=troy@wnpgmb01dc2-28-75.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:32] I have a question, I have ubuntu and kubuntu installed. How do i change the boot gui from ubuntu to kubuntu [12:33] in adept, what does BREAK (install) mean? [12:35] satafterh: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are exactly the same thing... [12:36] satafterh: what you probably want to change is to have KDE instead of GNOME as the default desktop environment. Is that the case? === M2006 [n=root@86.62.194.115] has joined #kubuntu === flo [n=flo@i577B1F11.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:38] yes i know, I would like to know how to change the gui that is showing while boot to one or the other, it boots into kde as defualt but gui while booting that has the scrolling says ubuntu [12:38] satafterh: you mean really the boot splash? The thing with the logo etc? [12:39] I want to install superkaramba from adept, but it says in red letter's BREAK (install) ... is that ok or bad? [12:39] phoenixbyrd: BAD. [12:39] I think so, the one that was not there in earlier version [12:39] ok [12:40] satafterh: well, I dont know -- but I would be fairly sure that there is a Kubuntu boot splash package, or there is something on the Wiki that says how to do it. [12:40] why is it bad, cuz even karamba is doing it :( [12:40] satafterh: I do my boot in text mode, without the boot splash coolness :-). [12:40] ok thanks for trying anyway === Blissex has look for packages with "boot" or "splash" in their name === KiwiKibi [n=chatzill@dialup-4.243.182.135.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:41] does Kubuntu use SEL? [12:42] <[NetSkier> KiwiKibi, I strongly doubt it. [12:42] =( [12:42] nn all === blueyed [n=daniel@i53870F5D.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:42] satafterh: look at the 'usplash' and 'kubuntu-artwork-usplash' packages === libbn [n=libben@80.216.84.228] has joined #kubuntu [12:49] satafterh: look at this thread for the details, and alternatives: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=128&highlight=splash&sid=ac47dfd7d5bce023298ba878c653efc3 === KiwiKibi [n=chatzill@dialup-4.243.182.135.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has left #kubuntu [] [12:49] satafterh: and this may also be interesting: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=111&highlight=splash&sid=ac47dfd7d5bce023298ba878c653efc3 === marklehmann [n=mlehmann@txsmtp.rocketsoftware.com] has left #kubuntu [] === sickFLame [i=sis-irx@212.72.214.144] has joined #kubuntu === regeya_ [n=shane@dialup-4.254.114.38.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu === `Nomad [n=Bob@mctnnbsa30w-156034043052.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82.43.184.143] has joined #kubuntu === XA4OeXb [n=XA4OeXb@c-67-185-253-147.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Chambers` [n=Thom@64.108.190.120] has joined #kubuntu [01:24] how do I set the pacific time in kubuntu? [01:26] gmt -4 === Cheapie [n=cs@londonderry-cuda2-68-171-160-97.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === SillyCone [n=2012@pcp06932379pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] well how come it keeps saying 16:28 instead of like 4:28? [01:30] hmm i've tried shutting down x and running the nvidia 7676 driver installer, but no luck :( it wants kernel-source === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82.43.184.143] has joined #kubuntu === sorush20 [n=sorush20@82.43.184.143] has left #kubuntu [] [01:35] Riddell: ping? [01:36] in addition opengl no longer can initialize, not even software [01:36] glxgears fails [01:37] for kubuntu is there pluggins either for the kubuntu irc program or xchat that works with juk so it post what your playing? === _heulSuSE_ [n=volker@i3ED6C5AD.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu === _hydrogen [n=hydrogen@londonderry-cuda2-68-171-252-188.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === _hydrogen [n=hydrogen@londonderry-cuda2-68-171-252-188.lndnnh.adelphia.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:45] hmm [01:45] how come on most irc networks they can't get my ident === Geno_ [i=user@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3579751.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu [01:46] Hello everyone. [01:46] most or all? [01:46] I'd like to know if I can run KDE AND gnome on the same install, is that possible? [01:46] absolutely [01:46] you can run them simultaneously on different heads, too [01:46] Is there anything to switch easily between them? [01:47] or just a sudo command? [01:47] no, it's just a session login [01:47] you can choose in your Session menu [01:47] ok, great [01:47] so I just follow the info on the wiki [01:47] ? [01:48] sorry, I don't know which wiki reference you're using [01:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE [01:48] I was just going to say it [01:51] the kubuntu-desktop metapackage is probably the easiest [01:51] Then it will show on the login screen? === thehil [n=h@pc79545.d.cwu.edu] has joined #kubuntu === kinomees_ [n=kinomees@85.196.202.25] has joined #kubuntu === dell500 [n=dell500@12-216-244-28.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu === cyne [n=cyne@203.49.222.63] has joined #kubuntu [02:00] After installaing the package kubuntu-desktop, will it just appear on the login screen? [02:01] <_kkathman> evening all :) [02:02] Geno_: in the Session menu [02:02] or that [02:02] just like that? no config? [02:03] just like that. [02:03] good [02:03] <_kkathman> Geno_: Its actually ridiculously easy :) [02:03] good [02:03] <_kkathman> hehe === _kkathman is now known as kkathman [02:04] I first tried KDE iwht Fedora Core 4 and chose GNOME instead, but I want to try it again since I prefer Ubuntu [02:04] I hope it migrates as easy :) [02:04] realplayer in kynaptic, is that realplayer 10? [02:04] I'm still a Linux newbie, so Ubuntu is great [02:05] Geno_: Actually, I think that it is more reliable to actually install the base Ubuntu with Gnome, and then do the apt-get kubuntu-desktop [02:05] ok [02:05] that way you always have a backup GUI if something odd happens [02:05] What is the big difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu? Besides KDE and Gnome, and the KDE packages... [02:06] Geno_: Kubunti is really just the base Ubuntu with the KDU Gui [02:06] oops Kubuntu I mean [02:06] oh [02:07] So that it can be made easier for users that just want KDE to have it without Gnome? [02:07] Everything in the KDE ... all the programs will start with K [02:07] crimsun, sorry for delay its all irc networks [02:07] hence Kubuntu [02:07] ugh [02:08] Geno_: For instance the KDE IRC is Konversation, the browser is Konqueror, the Contact Manager is Kontact [02:08] etc [02:08] ok [02:08] I still wonder if I will prefer KDE [02:09] KDE is very good as long as you have the resources to run it [02:09] its my preferred GUI [02:09] I don't like the idea of all K programs made for KDE, I don't know why [02:09] but I have two smaller memory computers that I run other GUIs on [02:09] Gnome is customizable great but there's not a lot to customize from what I'Ve seen [02:09] ok [02:10] Geno_: If you install base Ubuntu with Gnome, and then do an Apt-get kubuntu-desktop you can run all Gnome progs under KDE [02:10] how come on all irc networks they can't get my ident [02:10] even though installed xidentd? [02:10] I know they can run it but I just don't like the idea of K programs [02:10] Geno_: there is much much more to customize in KDE...the options are endless and its much easier in many cases to configure things === bdmp3000 [n=bdmp4000@PPPa25.hyogo-ip.dti.ne.jp] has joined #kubuntu [02:11] Geno_: Then you dont need to use K-programs [02:11] In terms of user-friendly, which is more? [02:11] I use Gedit for instance [02:11] I know :p but it's just me === _heulSuSE_ [n=volker@i3ED6C5AD.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:11] Geno_: User friendly, I'd have to say KDE is [02:11] its more intuitive I think === bdmp3000 [n=bdmp4000@PPPa25.hyogo-ip.dti.ne.jp] has left #kubuntu ["sayonara"] [02:12] but thats just me [02:12] ok === bdmp3000 [n=bdmp4000@PPPa25.hyogo-ip.dti.ne.jp] has joined #kubuntu [02:12] from the screens it looks customizable a lot [02:12] things are definitely more easy to configure under KDE I think [02:12] Geno_: Yes KDE is very easy and very customizable [02:13] It allows for multiple desktops also [02:14] Putting aside the fact that you use it everyday, is it more user-friendly for users who can even barely understand Windows% [02:14] Geno_: I'd say yes, mainly because when there are things to be configured, say a printer, KDE has alot of wizards that will help you do that [02:15] aseigo: pong === phoenixbyrd [n=phoenixb@pool-68-160-52-195.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === Hobbsee [n=sarah@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [02:16] Are the default settings easy to learn? for someone that doesn't want to customize? [02:16] hey Riddell :) Howzit goin? [02:16] morning all [02:17] Geno_: You get whats called a "Control Center" from which you can control colors, themes, fonts, look and feel, backgrounds, etc [02:17] hello [02:17] so I think I'd say yes Geno_ [02:17] hey there Hobbsee [02:17] *yawns* [02:17] it's far too early to be up, i'm sure [02:17] hey kkathman === Glin|Jol [i=bobo@cpe-66-108-244-133.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:17] Because computer newbies often are just lost with Windows [02:18] windows has too many configurations in different places... [02:18] seeing as i had to do a windows install on a friends computer last nite [02:18] i remember it all too well [02:19] You only use Linux now& [02:19] well Geno_ I think there is a learning curve, as with anything, but honestly I think KDE is simpler than Windows [02:19] no, mine is a dual boot - sims 2 wont run on linux, so my windows is a semi gaming machine [02:19] ok === StR [n=str@200.6.234.138] has joined #kubuntu [02:19] kkathman: groovy man, want to help test RC candidate CDs? [02:19] Geno_: No, I have 3 Linux boxes here and 3 Windows actually [02:20] I'd like to completely run on Linux but my IT programs need me to have Windows [02:20] Hi all! [02:20] Riddell: i'd be interested in testing them [02:20] hi StR! [02:20] I already say the kubuntu usplash [02:20] Geno_: yep, hate that [02:20] Riddell: just let me know how I can help :) [02:20] We're doing Visual Basic .NET [02:20] Geno_: have you read about mono? [02:21] mono? [02:21] Geno_: mono is the .net port to GNU/Linux [02:22] oh no [02:22] does it look the same? [02:22] test! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051006/ [02:22] and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051006/ [02:23] Riddell: So you just want me to go and create a CD and see if I can install it on one of my boxes? [02:23] Geno_: no... it doesn't look the same... is a port for the .net framework, not for the VS.net ide [02:23] Yeah, looked on Wikipedia [02:23] kkathman: yes please [02:23] this is preparing for the rc tomorrow? [02:23] Riddell: Okie doke is this breezy? [02:23] As long as I work with VB.NET i'll stick with Windows for that [02:23] I assume it is [02:24] kkathman: make sure there's no obvious major problems, if you could test installing a non-english language that would be good [02:24] yeah, it looks to be [02:24] Geno_: and you can even have someone developing something (like a dll) in mono, and it will work in the .net in the other OS [02:24] if Cedega was free, it'd have switched long ago [02:24] Hobbsee: yes, 20051006 CDs should become RC if all goes well [02:24] kkathman: this is the candidate for the breezy release candidate [02:24] RIddell: Well I could test a non-english version but I probably wouldnt be able to understand the screens :) [02:24] Geno_: you can get cedega for free (as in libre, not as in cracked) [02:24] Riddell: excellent. Do you know if all the localisations are done? [02:24] kkathman: that would be a good thing, it would mean the language was set up correctly :) [02:24] in particular, the en (au) one? [02:24] StR: How? [02:25] Geno_: and cedega is for DirectX, you can use Wine if you are not going to use directX [02:25] Hobbsee: we have an australian locale? [02:25] O' [02:25] what does that do? say "g'day" all the time? [02:25] Riddell: Well I'll do a couple of installs on a box I have here [02:25] Riddell: we did in hoary [02:25] ROFL @ Riddell [02:25] and instead of having a k menu, we have a kangaroo on it [02:26] Hobbsee: well you'll have to download and test it out [02:26] Wine is free? [02:26] :P as far as i know, it's fairly close to the english (en) version [02:26] Geno_: yes [02:26] and how can I can get cedega then? [02:26] Riddell: Which one do you want me to do first...the daily or daily-live? [02:26] buy it or compile it from source [02:27] Geno_: wine is free [02:27] I mistook it for WineX [02:27] at first [02:27] Geno_: I tend to steer clear of Wine, personally [02:28] Geno_: just do an apt-get install wine [02:28] wtf, what's with these damn break install thing's in adept? [02:28] How come? [02:28] Geno_: cedega IS winex [02:28] StR: it wont be in the repositories [02:28] Hobbsee: really? why? [02:28] StR: I know [02:28] Geno_: Its just me, I have all the applications in Linux that I would use on Windows anyway [02:28] kkathman: either [02:28] Hobbsee: apt-cache search wine [02:28] phoenixbyrd: what's that? [02:28] Hobbsee: wine - Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library) [02:28] http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb is the instructions on installing wine [02:29] Geno_: The only ones I dont, dont work well at all, so it hasnt done me any good [02:29] what version though? [02:29] I play games when I have free time and if I want to switch to Linux, I need to play games as well. [02:29] wine --version [02:29] Wine 20050725 [02:29] Riddell: in adept, trying to install F-Spot, SuperKaramba, I get in red letter BREAK (install) [02:29] isk why [02:29] idk* [02:29] very old version [02:29] September 30, 2005: Wine 20050930 Released [02:30] follow the instructions on the site above, and it's really simple. And it gets you the latest version [02:30] Riddell: sumone told me it was a bad thing, they didn't say why tho [02:30] Riddell: Ok Im downloading the ISO now [02:31] kkathman: good luck [02:31] Geno_: Honestly I cant say about the game, just applications [02:31] How do I compile the Cedega souce code then? [02:31] Riddell: How do you want me to give your feedback? [02:32] Riddell: i'll probably give it a try after finding out if it works for kkathman - and will see if I keep getting errors about the locale, which i have with dist-upgrades in the past [02:32] kkathman: tell me if it works, if you disappear off IRC never to be seen from again I'll know it hasn't worked === kalenedrael [n=kalene@c-24-34-72-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:33] Riddell: Lol... I have 3 Linux boxes [02:33] lol...that sounds like a good way to tell [02:33] Riddell: So I will be trying it on one of my small file servers ... it doesnt have much on it actually so I'll actually do a clean install [02:34] Geno_:http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45 [02:34] if anyone has powerpc or AMD64 to test on as well that would be great [02:35] Riddell: sorry, only got my laptop here, another i386 [02:35] Thanks for all the help everyone! [02:35] Hobbsee: that's all good [02:36] I haven't read what you were talking about sorry, what are you talking about testing? [02:36] *considers trashing laptop trying to install breezy...again* [02:36] Geno_: daily build of kubuntu breezy [02:36] Ok Thanks [02:37] I can always try something out in french later maybe. Maybe [02:37] ah, now there's an idea [02:39] Geno_: please do [02:39] Hum... Any links then? [02:40] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051006/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051006/ [02:41] I won't be able to test it out right now but I can always try later and take some coffee tomorrow [02:42] I have a programming and philosophy homework :/ [02:42] Geno_: i know the feeling - i'm supposed to be studying for exams... [02:43] Which one should I try first, live or install? I only have one CD right now, I have to buy some tomorrow [02:43] I worked all summer so it's hard to go back to school routine even though it's been a month [02:43] imo install is more important to test, as most people will install that [02:43] but that's just my opinion [02:43] ok === N17R0 [n=wietboer@unaffiliated/n17r0] has joined #kubuntu [02:44] ugh...school...only going back there a few more times [02:44] Would the torrent be any good tonight? [02:45] anyone got any cool catchphrases we could use for kubuntu breezy === seth_k|away is now known as seth_k [02:45] "Breeze through it like...(find someting)" [02:46] Breezy for sheezy === ubuntu [n=ubuntu@ppp-68-248-3-198.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:46] chavo: lol [02:46] just dont make it derogitory for women.... [02:46] lol [02:46] Hobbsee: lol === ubuntu is now known as bpfick [02:47] Would the torrent be any good tonight? === bpfick is now known as bpfick| [02:48] how does one even download a torrent? [02:49] Well, you download the .torrent file and then you open it with BitTorrent, BitTornado, Gnome BitTorrent or something like that [02:49] You know how it works? [02:49] only vaguely [02:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent [02:50] thanks === bpfick| [n=ubuntu@ppp-68-248-3-198.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [02:50] For simple, it downloads little bits from everyone who downloads also [02:51] When you download, it uploads to other users === fatejudger [n=fatejudg@c-67-169-87-144.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:51] *nods* [02:52] which assumes that they wont be able to hack your computer in the process [02:52] I've downloaded both Ubuntu 5.10 live and install today very fast with it [02:52] I think so [02:52] I'm not familiar with hacking [02:53] It went as fast as downloading from the server(maybe faster when there was a lot of people) and it didn't use the server [02:53] i usually grab it off an aussie mirror with a download accelerator, or off my ISP's unmetered download site [02:53] Even though I think the server is big enough to handle my connection with the others. [02:53] Ok [02:55] but with daily cd's, it's a little hard to do that === thehil [n=h@pc79545.d.cwu.edu] has joined #kubuntu [02:55] Yeah, that's why I asked [02:55] Nobody is downloading it [02:56] Torrent is like a community, somewhat, although not the same as in Linux ones. [02:56] Uploading and seeding is for the "greater good" :) [02:57] that is true [02:57] i'll look at using it when kkathman comes back here with feedback === StR [n=str@216.230.150.7] has joined #kubuntu [02:59] Hi again [02:59] Hello again [03:00] hi StR again [03:01] The install file is at 18% percent, you want me to test it out in french, it that i? [03:02] Geno_: oui [03:02] :) === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-35-141.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:05] I have an NTSC full-disk partition, will partman separate it well? === kinomees_ [n=kinomees@85.196.202.25] has joined #kubuntu [03:06] NTSC? what's that? [03:06] i thought that had to do with US tv... === Hobbsee is very ignorant [03:07] oh that's me... [03:07] NTFS [03:07] Confused I am. [03:08] hehe === [Kosh] [n=kosh@201.36.98.165] has joined #kubuntu [03:08] hoary cd's separate it fine, i doubt the breezy ones would be any different, assuming that's what you are asking about [03:08] *resize, not separate [03:08] where's my brain today === `Nomad [n=Bob@mctnnbsa30w-156034043052.nb.aliant.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:09] Ok I had Breezy installed before but when I updated, it wouldn't start, it stopped at something like "determining battery state" on my laptop [03:09] That's me who used it [03:10] I'm used in french [03:10] It said "File not found" when determing battery [03:10] eek [03:11] so I "**** it" I'll wait 'till it's official [03:11] said* [03:11] I deleted the partition and used the space for my windows games [03:12] lol...that was a little drastic, although i've pretty much done the same thing when i started with linux [03:12] <`Nomad> Are we close to the official release? [03:13] it's supposed to be released on 13/8, so probably [03:13] 7 days [03:13] 13/10 [03:13] 13 august is long gong [03:13] gone [03:13] *13/10...i cant tell the month, clearly lol [03:13] <`Nomad> :) [03:14] it will come soon! [03:14] <`Nomad> I've been having all sorts of littl eissues lately, so I'm hoping to start fresh.. [03:14] it will! [03:14] Nomad: there are some daily cd's if you feel like testing it [03:15] <`Nomad> I've been worri4ed about just doing a dist-upgrade. never done it before.. [03:15] <`Nomad> but I want to.... :) [03:15] works better installing from a cd [03:15] <`Nomad> The Home directory stays safe right? [03:15] i've dist upgraded twice - once it worked, once it didnt === N17R0 [n=wietboer@unaffiliated/n17r0] has joined #kubuntu [03:16] with a distupgrade or clean install? [03:16] <`Nomad> both? [03:16] is your /home on a separate partition? [03:17] <`Nomad> Arghh no!! How did I do that? [03:17] <`Nomad> time to do a good backup :) [03:17] lol [03:18] you use the manual partitioning when you install... [03:18] dist upgrade, yes, it will keep your data, assuming it all works well [03:18] but it's more risky, works for some people sometimes but not others [03:19] it will all be overwritten with a clean install from a cd, so you'll want a backup [03:19] http://www.linuxhost.cl/~segfault/gemz.jpg <- how is the theme for konversation? === dan [n=dan@CPE-24-163-219-23.mn.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === [Kosh] [n=kosh@201.36.98.165] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [03:29] So, it being daily, does it change a lot each day? [03:29] that's a good question - Riddell? === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-35-143.da.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:30] depends on the day [03:30] I don't think I'll be able to test this version tonight for the french locale. [03:31] I need to buy myself a cheao Linux-only pc [03:31] Geno_: what are you running now? [03:31] Windows... [03:32] how big is your harddrive? [03:32] I still haven't taken the "Great Jump" [03:32] 60 GB, looks like 55, got 9 Gb free [03:32] I got enougth to install [03:32] but I got my work I STILL haven't started [03:32] yeah, you wouldnt have to get rid of windows to install the breezy [03:32] LOL! put it off further :P it works every time [03:33] I know that, it's just time that works against me [03:33] in an hour or so i've managed to open a document that makes it look like i'm working.... [03:33] I've already installed Linux [03:33] true [03:33] fucked my hard drive 3 times last week [03:33] language [03:33] Sorry for the swear, but it's actually this [03:33] how did you do that? [03:34] ie, how did it mess up? [03:34] I used Partition Magic to install it and then, trying to repair my error, bugged it even more, I know how to repair it now. I will NEVER used PM again for Linux [03:35] I had just finisehd reinstalling everything on Windows and then I messed it all up a few minutes after [03:35] I had to sweep everything with Acronis Drive Cleanser [03:35] It wouldn't repair Windows [03:36] eek [03:36] Well said, I was freaking out [03:36] so is your windows working now? [03:36] Duh, I'm using it :p [03:36] well, how working is it... [03:36] took me 21 hours to C L E A N my hard drive [03:37] like new [03:37] it can still be used when it's fubarring all over the place [03:37] mmm ok [03:37] perfectly well [03:37] I had just messed my partition table and some Windows file === phoenixbyrd [n=phoenixb@pool-68-160-52-195.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:37] i was going to say that you could always install linux, and create a smaller partition for windows, and then install windows on the smaller partition only [03:38] otherwise you can just resize the windows partition [03:38] both with the ubuntu installer [03:38] and the worst it, I couldn't recover my files with BartPE [03:38] you didnt backup? [03:39] I was going to use GetDataBack for NTFS but it asked for me to buy it, then after scannign it, it worked [03:39] I did, just a few days before [03:39] but it changed a lot in a few days [03:39] since i had just reformattted before [03:39] I reorganized [03:39] *sighs*....the idea of complete backup works better... [03:40] What do you mean by that [03:41] as in, to have a complete backup right before you install another OS is generally a very good idea [03:41] and then defrag windows === os2mac [n=Jim@ip68-10-71-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:42] Yeah but I was so sure it was going to work, I had no problems before [03:42] I won't do this error again [03:42] lol...yeah, it seems to go like "if i backup, it will be fine, and i wont need the backup, but if i dont have the backup, all hell will break loose" [03:43] done that, too [03:43] Lots of fun, eh? [03:43]