[12:02] <phoenixbyrd> 32
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's the "ia" part mean?
[12:03] <phoenixbyrd> [NetSkier: skype
[12:04] <[NetSkier> phoenixbyrd, Really???
[12:04] <_gdh> Rogue_Jedi_X: 'Intel Architecture' ?
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> [NetSkier: I've heard success stories about OpenWengo as well. Not speaking from experience, though
[12:04] <phoenixbyrd> yea, u can get it from kynaptic
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> _gdh: Didn't know that
[12:04] <[NetSkier> Sjkype is closed source, and was written by some of the inventors of Spy Ware.  Sounds risky to me.
[12:05] <phoenixbyrd> idk, I've always used skyp without any problems or spyware
[12:05] <phoenixbyrd> skype*
[12:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> [NetSkier: http://www.openwengo.com/ <- Open Source
[12:05] <[NetSkier> I am afraid of all Windows products,and their derivatives.
[12:05] <heartEye> I ain't afraid of no solitaire!
[12:08] <libben> what do i type in terminal to shutdown the computer after 10 minutes from when i excute the command?
[12:08] <libben> sudo halt -t xx(minutes??)
[12:10] <[NetSkier> What is ksynaptic?
[12:10] <_gdh> [NetSkier: Kynaptic is a quick hack to have /some/ KDE installer. It will be replaced by Adept in breezy.
[12:11] <segfault2k> Adept R0x :P
[12:17] <[NetSkier> Following up, what is Adept?
[12:17] <_gdh> A very pleasant KDE-based package manager
[12:17] <_gdh> *frontend for apt
[12:18] <[NetSkier> Thanks.  I am already pretty familiar with apt.
[12:18] <[NetSkier> Took quite a while though.
[12:19] <[NetSkier> years, actually
[12:20] <[NetSkier> Looks like I need to add some entries to my sources list to get an IAX2 softphone.
[12:20] <[NetSkier> What version of regular Debian does Kubuntu correspond?  Stable, testing,unstable, experimental?
[12:21] <[NetSkier> apt-cache search iax2 finds nothing with the stock Kubuntu sources.list.
[12:21] <drom1n4d0> stable
[12:22] <drom1n4d0> experimental is the 4.10
[12:23] <Blissex> [NetSkier: I think that using those ''levels'' is wrong.
[12:23] <[NetSkier> openwengo btw is a sip client.
[12:23] <Blissex> [NetSkier: because two of them change with time.
[12:23] <Blissex> [NetSkier: currently the 'stable' level is the version called Sarge and the 'testing' level is the version called Etch.
[12:24] <[NetSkier> Blissex, I usually run a mixture of testing/unstable; I am a Kubuntu newbie.
[12:24] <Blissex> [NetSkier: broadly speaking Ubuntu Hoary is roughly compatible with Debian Sarge and Ubuntu Breezy with Debian Etch.
[12:24] <[NetSkier> Blissex, thanks; that helps.
[12:25] <worstenboy> damn
[12:25] <Blissex> [NetSkier: as a rule never refer to Debian versions, especially in 'sources.list', by their level names, always use the version names.
[12:25] <worstenboy> other irc client crashed
[12:25] <worstenboy> but i'm still here ;)
[12:25] <[NetSkier> Blissex, why?
[12:25] <Blissex> [NetSkier: as I mentioned before, because what corresponds to the levels 'stable' and 'testing' changes with time. They are states, not versions.
[12:26] <[NetSkier> By using level names, I never have to change them, year after year.
[12:26] <Blissex> [NetSkier: but what you have changes dramatically on a release changeover.
[12:26] <[NetSkier> sure; I do an apt-get dist-upgrade at that point.
[12:27] <Blissex> [NetSkier: which can be pretty dangerous. Since Ubuntu and Kubuntu release every six months, they don't use level names...
[12:27] <Blissex> [NetSkier: a 'dist-upgrade' is safe only if you don't have nonstandard packages. A release changeover has to be considered carefully...
[12:27] <Blissex> [NetSkier: however, eventually the force will enligthen you :-).
[12:28] <[NetSkier> Blissex, ok; sounds good.
[12:28] <Blissex> [NetSkier: in the meantime you might want to study the dangerous tomes here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ for the thrill of having mixed Debian/Ubuntu sources and levels.
[12:28] <[NetSkier> Blissex, The main problem I see with dist-upgrade is having to remember to remove the unstable sources, or else one can go all the way to unstable
[12:29] <Blissex> [NetSkier: but never yield to the temptation of the dark side of the APT.
[12:29] <Blissex> [NetSkier: it is far subtler than that. 
[12:29] <Blissex> [NetSkier: the problem is that on a release changeover there are usually several ABI changeovers, and if you have installed nonstandard packages, this can cause a lot of problems.
[12:29] <[NetSkier> I just run the regular packages from the regular Debian repostitores.
[12:30] <[NetSkier> I avoid the nonstandard packages for that reason.
[12:31] <Blissex> [NetSkier: but avoiding nonstandard packages is awesomely difficult, for example because of media codes that cannot be part of Debian... 
[12:31] <Blissex> [NetSkier: and for example I run a Debian base, but with X.org and KDE and other stuff taken from Ubuntu. But I _really_ know what I am doing :-).
[12:32] <satafterh> I have a question, I have ubuntu and kubuntu installed. How do i change the boot gui from ubuntu to kubuntu
[12:33] <phoenixbyrd> in adept, what does BREAK (install) mean?
[12:35] <Blissex> satafterh: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are exactly the same thing...
[12:36] <Blissex> satafterh: what you probably want to change is to have KDE instead of GNOME as the default desktop environment. Is that the case?
[12:38] <satafterh> yes i know, I would like to know how to change the gui that is showing while boot to one or the other, it boots into kde as defualt but gui while booting that has the scrolling says ubuntu 
[12:38] <Blissex> satafterh: you mean really the boot splash? The thing with the logo etc?
[12:39] <phoenixbyrd> I want to install superkaramba from adept, but it says in red letter's BREAK (install) ... is that ok or bad?
[12:39] <Blissex> phoenixbyrd: BAD.
[12:39] <satafterh> I think so, the one that was not there in earlier version
[12:39] <phoenixbyrd> ok
[12:40] <Blissex> satafterh: well, I dont know -- but I would be fairly sure that there is a Kubuntu boot splash package, or there is something on the Wiki that says how to do it.
[12:40] <phoenixbyrd> why is it bad, cuz even karamba is doing it :(
[12:40] <Blissex> satafterh: I do my boot in text mode, without the boot splash coolness :-).
[12:40] <satafterh> ok thanks for trying anyway
[12:41] <KiwiKibi> does Kubuntu use SEL?
[12:42] <[NetSkier> KiwiKibi, I strongly doubt it.
[12:42] <KiwiKibi> =(
[12:42] <worstenboy> nn all
[12:42] <Blissex> satafterh: look at the 'usplash' and 'kubuntu-artwork-usplash' packages
[12:49] <Blissex> satafterh: look at this thread for the details, and alternatives: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=128&highlight=splash&sid=ac47dfd7d5bce023298ba878c653efc3
[12:49] <Blissex> satafterh: and this may also be interesting: http://www.kubuntuforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=111&highlight=splash&sid=ac47dfd7d5bce023298ba878c653efc3
[01:24] <TokenBad> how do I set the pacific time in kubuntu?
[01:26] <segfault2k> gmt -4 
[01:28] <TokenBad> well how come it keeps saying 16:28 instead of like 4:28?
[01:30] <Cheapie> hmm i've tried shutting down x and running the nvidia 7676 driver installer, but no luck :( it wants kernel-source
[01:35] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[01:36] <Cheapie> in addition opengl no longer can initialize, not even software
[01:36] <Cheapie> glxgears fails
[01:37] <TokenBad> for kubuntu is there pluggins either for the kubuntu irc program or xchat that works with juk so it post what your playing?
[01:45] <TokenBad> hmm
[01:45] <TokenBad> how come on most irc networks they can't get my ident
[01:46] <Geno_> Hello everyone.
[01:46] <crimsun> most or all?
[01:46] <Geno_> I'd like to know if I can run KDE AND gnome on the same install, is that possible?
[01:46] <crimsun> absolutely
[01:46] <crimsun> you can run them simultaneously on different heads, too
[01:46] <Geno_> Is there anything to switch easily between them?
[01:47] <Geno_> or just a sudo command?
[01:47] <crimsun> no, it's just a session login
[01:47] <crimsun> you can choose in your Session menu
[01:47] <Geno_> ok, great
[01:47] <Geno_> so I just follow the info on the wiki
[01:47] <Geno_> ?
[01:48] <crimsun> sorry, I don't know which wiki reference you're using
[01:48] <Geno_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[01:48] <Geno_> I was just going to say it
[01:51] <crimsun> the kubuntu-desktop metapackage is probably the easiest
[01:51] <Geno_> Then it will show on the login screen?
[02:00] <Geno_> After installaing the package kubuntu-desktop, will it just appear on the login screen?
[02:01] <_kkathman> evening all :)
[02:02] <crimsun> Geno_: in the Session menu
[02:02] <Geno_> or that
[02:02] <Geno_> just like that? no config?
[02:03] <crimsun> just like that.
[02:03] <Geno_> good
[02:03] <_kkathman> Geno_: Its actually ridiculously easy :)
[02:03] <Geno_> good
[02:03] <_kkathman> hehe
[02:04] <Geno_> I first tried KDE iwht Fedora Core 4 and chose GNOME instead, but I want to try it again since I prefer Ubuntu
[02:04] <kkathman> I hope it migrates as easy :)
[02:04] <phoenixbyrd> realplayer in kynaptic, is that realplayer 10?
[02:04] <Geno_> I'm still a Linux newbie, so Ubuntu is great
[02:05] <kkathman> Geno_: Actually, I think that it is more reliable to actually install the base Ubuntu with Gnome, and then do the apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[02:05] <Geno_> ok
[02:05] <kkathman> that way you always have a backup GUI if something odd happens
[02:05] <Geno_> What is the big difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu? Besides KDE and Gnome, and the KDE packages...
[02:06] <kkathman> Geno_: Kubunti is really just the base Ubuntu with the KDU Gui
[02:06] <kkathman> oops Kubuntu I mean
[02:06] <Geno_> oh
[02:07] <Geno_> So that it can be made easier for users that just want KDE to have it without Gnome?
[02:07] <kkathman> Everything in the KDE ... all the programs will start with K 
[02:07] <TokenBad> crimsun, sorry for delay its all irc networks
[02:07] <kkathman> hence Kubuntu
[02:07] <Geno_> ugh
[02:08] <kkathman> Geno_: For instance the KDE IRC is Konversation, the browser is Konqueror, the Contact Manager is Kontact
[02:08] <kkathman> etc
[02:08] <Geno_> ok
[02:08] <Geno_> I still wonder if I will prefer KDE
[02:09] <kkathman> KDE is very good as long as you have the resources to run it
[02:09] <kkathman> its my preferred GUI
[02:09] <Geno_> I don't like the idea of all K programs made for KDE, I don't know why
[02:09] <kkathman> but I have two smaller memory computers that I run other GUIs on
[02:09] <Geno_> Gnome is customizable great but there's not a lot to customize from what I'Ve seen
[02:09] <Geno_> ok
[02:10] <kkathman> Geno_: If you install base Ubuntu with Gnome, and then do an Apt-get kubuntu-desktop you can run all Gnome progs under KDE
[02:10] <TokenBad> how come on all irc networks they can't get my ident
[02:10] <TokenBad> even though installed xidentd?
[02:10] <Geno_> I know they can run it but I just don't like the idea of K programs
[02:10] <kkathman> Geno_: there is much much more to customize in KDE...the options are endless and its much easier in many cases to configure things
[02:11] <kkathman> Geno_: Then you dont need to use K-programs
[02:11] <Geno_> In terms of user-friendly, which is more?
[02:11] <kkathman> I use Gedit for instance
[02:11] <Geno_> I know :p but it's just me
[02:11] <kkathman> Geno_: User friendly, I'd have to say KDE is 
[02:11] <kkathman> its more intuitive I think
[02:12] <kkathman> but thats just me
[02:12] <Geno_> ok
[02:12] <Geno_> from the screens it looks customizable a lot
[02:12] <kkathman> things are definitely more easy to configure under KDE I think
[02:12] <kkathman> Geno_: Yes KDE is very easy and very customizable
[02:13] <kkathman> It allows for multiple desktops also
[02:14] <Geno_> Putting aside the fact that you use it everyday, is it more user-friendly for users who can even barely understand Windows%
[02:14] <kkathman> Geno_: I'd say yes, mainly because when there are things to be configured, say a printer, KDE has alot of wizards that will help you do that
[02:15] <Riddell> aseigo: pong
[02:16] <Geno_> Are the default settings easy to learn? for someone that doesn't want to customize?
[02:16] <kkathman> hey Riddell :)  Howzit goin?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:17] <kkathman> Geno_:  You get whats called a "Control Center" from which you can control colors, themes, fonts, look and feel, backgrounds, etc
[02:17] <Geno_> hello
[02:17] <kkathman> so I think I'd say yes Geno_ 
[02:17] <kkathman> hey there Hobbsee
[02:17] <Hobbsee> *yawns*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> it's far too early to be up, i'm sure
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman
[02:17] <Geno_> Because computer newbies often are just lost with Windows
[02:18] <Hobbsee> windows has too many configurations in different places...
[02:18] <Hobbsee> seeing as i had to do a windows install on a friends computer last nite
[02:18] <Hobbsee> i remember it all too well 
[02:19] <Geno_> You only use Linux now&
[02:19] <kkathman> well Geno_ I think there is a learning curve, as with anything, but honestly I think KDE is simpler than Windows
[02:19] <Hobbsee> no, mine is a dual boot - sims 2 wont run on linux, so my windows is a semi gaming machine
[02:19] <Geno_> ok
[02:19] <Riddell> kkathman: groovy man, want to help test RC candidate CDs?
[02:19] <kkathman> Geno_: No, I have 3 Linux boxes here and 3 Windows actually
[02:20] <Geno_> I'd like to completely run on Linux but my IT programs need me to have Windows
[02:20] <StR> Hi all!
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd be interested in testing them
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hi StR!
[02:20] <StR> I already say the kubuntu usplash
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Geno_: yep, hate that
[02:20] <kkathman> Riddell: just let me know how I can help :)
[02:20] <Geno_> We're doing Visual Basic .NET
[02:20] <StR> Geno_: have you read about mono?
[02:21] <Geno_> mono?
[02:21] <StR> Geno_: mono is the .net port to GNU/Linux
[02:22] <Geno_> oh no
[02:22] <Geno_> does it look the same?
[02:22] <Riddell> test!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051006/
[02:22] <Riddell> and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051006/
[02:23] <kkathman> Riddell: So you just want me to go and create a CD and see if I can install it on one of my boxes?
[02:23] <StR> Geno_: no... it doesn't look the same... is a port for the .net framework, not for the VS.net ide
[02:23] <Geno_> Yeah, looked on Wikipedia
[02:23] <Riddell> kkathman: yes please
[02:23] <Hobbsee> this is preparing for the rc tomorrow?
[02:23] <kkathman> Riddell: Okie doke  is this breezy?
[02:23] <Geno_> As long as I work with VB.NET i'll stick with Windows for that
[02:23] <kkathman> I assume it is
[02:24] <Riddell> kkathman: make sure there's no obvious major problems, if you could test installing a non-english language that would be good
[02:24] <Hobbsee> yeah, it looks to be
[02:24] <StR> Geno_: and you can even have someone developing something (like a dll) in mono, and it will work in the .net in the other OS
[02:24] <Geno_> if Cedega was free, it'd have switched long ago
[02:24] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, 20051006 CDs should become RC if all goes well
[02:24] <Riddell> kkathman: this is the candidate for the breezy release candidate
[02:24] <kkathman> RIddell: Well I could test a non-english version but I probably wouldnt be able to understand the screens :)
[02:24] <StR> Geno_: you can get cedega for free (as in libre, not as in cracked)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excellent.  Do you know if all the localisations are done? 
[02:24] <Riddell> kkathman: that would be a good thing, it would mean the language was set up correctly :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> in particular, the en (au) one?
[02:24] <Geno_> StR: How?
[02:25] <StR> Geno_: and cedega is for DirectX, you can use Wine if you are not going to use directX
[02:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we have an australian locale?
[02:25] <kkathman> O'
[02:25] <Riddell> what does that do?  say "g'day" all the time?
[02:25] <kkathman> Riddell: Well I'll do a couple of installs on a box I have here
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we did in hoary
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ROFL @ Riddell
[02:25] <Hobbsee> and instead of having a k menu, we have a kangaroo on it
[02:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: well you'll have to download and test it out
[02:26] <Geno_> Wine is free?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> :P  as far as i know, it's fairly close to the english (en) version
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Geno_: yes
[02:26] <Geno_> and how can I can get cedega then?
[02:26] <kkathman> Riddell: Which one do you want me to do first...the daily or daily-live?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> buy it or compile it from source
[02:27] <StR> Geno_: wine is free
[02:27] <Geno_> I mistook it for WineX
[02:27] <Geno_> at first
[02:27] <kkathman> Geno_: I tend to steer clear of Wine, personally
[02:28] <StR> Geno_: just do an    apt-get install wine
[02:28] <phoenixbyrd> wtf, what's with these damn break install thing's in adept?
[02:28] <Geno_> How come?
[02:28] <StR> Geno_: cedega IS winex
[02:28] <Hobbsee> StR: it wont be in the repositories
[02:28] <StR> Hobbsee: really?  why?
[02:28] <Geno_> StR: I know
[02:28] <kkathman> Geno_: Its just me, I have all the applications in Linux that I would use on Windows anyway
[02:28] <Riddell> kkathman: either
[02:28] <StR> Hobbsee: apt-cache search wine
[02:28] <Riddell> phoenixbyrd: what's that?
[02:28] <StR> Hobbsee:  wine - Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb is the instructions on installing wine
[02:29] <kkathman> Geno_: The only ones I dont, dont work well at all, so it hasnt done me any good
[02:29] <Hobbsee> what version though?
[02:29] <Geno_> I play games when I have free time and if I want to switch to Linux, I need to play games as well.
[02:29] <StR> wine --version
[02:29] <StR> Wine 20050725
[02:29] <phoenixbyrd> Riddell: in adept, trying to install F-Spot, SuperKaramba, I get in red letter BREAK (install)
[02:29] <phoenixbyrd> isk why
[02:29] <phoenixbyrd> idk*
[02:29] <Hobbsee> very old version
[02:29] <Hobbsee> September 30, 2005: Wine 20050930 Released
[02:30] <Hobbsee> follow the instructions on the site above, and it's really simple.  And it gets you the latest version
[02:30] <phoenixbyrd> Riddell: sumone told me it was a bad thing, they didn't say why tho
[02:30] <kkathman> Riddell: Ok Im downloading the ISO now
[02:31] <Riddell> kkathman: good luck
[02:31] <kkathman> Geno_: Honestly I cant say about the game, just applications
[02:31] <Geno_> How do I compile the Cedega souce code then?
[02:31] <kkathman> Riddell: How do you want me to give your feedback?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'll probably give it a try after finding out if it works for kkathman - and will see if I keep getting errors about the locale, which i have with dist-upgrades in the past
[02:32] <Riddell> kkathman: tell me if it works, if you disappear off IRC never to be seen from again I'll know it hasn't worked
[02:33] <kkathman> Riddell: Lol... I have 3 Linux boxes
[02:33] <Hobbsee> lol...that sounds like a good way to tell
[02:33] <kkathman> Riddell: So I will be trying it on one of my small file servers ... it doesnt have much on it actually so I'll actually do a clean install
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Geno_:http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[02:34] <Riddell> if anyone has powerpc or AMD64 to test on as well that would be great
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, only got my laptop here, another i386
[02:35] <Geno_> Thanks for all the help everyone!
[02:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's all good
[02:36] <Geno_> I haven't read what you were talking about sorry, what are you talking about testing?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> *considers trashing laptop trying to install breezy...again*
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Geno_: daily build of kubuntu breezy
[02:36] <Geno_> Ok Thanks
[02:37] <Geno_> I can always try something out in french later maybe. Maybe
[02:37] <Hobbsee> ah, now there's an idea
[02:39] <Riddell> Geno_: please do
[02:39] <Geno_> Hum... Any links then?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20051006/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20051006/
[02:41] <Geno_> I won't be able to test it out right now but I can always try later and take some coffee tomorrow
[02:42] <Geno_> I have a programming and philosophy homework :/
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Geno_: i know the feeling - i'm supposed to be studying for exams...
[02:43] <Geno_> Which one should I try first, live or install? I only have one CD right now, I have to buy some tomorrow
[02:43] <Geno_> I worked all summer so it's hard to go back to school routine even though it's been a month
[02:43] <Hobbsee> imo install is more important to test, as most people will install that
[02:43] <Hobbsee> but that's just my opinion
[02:43] <Geno_> ok
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ugh...school...only going back there a few more times
[02:44] <Geno_> Would the torrent be any good tonight?
[02:45] <Riddell> anyone got any cool catchphrases we could use for kubuntu breezy
[02:45] <Geno_> "Breeze through it like...(find someting)"
[02:46] <chavo> Breezy for sheezy
[02:46] <Geno_> chavo: lol
[02:46] <Hobbsee> just dont make it derogitory for women....
[02:46] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:46] <Geno_> Hobbsee: lol
[02:47] <Geno_> Would the torrent be any good tonight?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> how does one even download a torrent?
[02:49] <Geno_> Well, you download the .torrent file and then you open it with BitTorrent, BitTornado, Gnome BitTorrent or something like that
[02:49] <Geno_> You know how it works?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> only vaguely
[02:50] <Geno_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent
[02:50] <Hobbsee> thanks
[02:50] <Geno_> For simple, it downloads little bits from everyone who downloads also
[02:51] <Geno_> When you download, it uploads to other users
[02:51] <Hobbsee> *nods* 
[02:52] <Hobbsee> which assumes that they wont be able to hack your computer in the process
[02:52] <Geno_> I've downloaded both Ubuntu 5.10 live and install today very fast with it
[02:52] <Geno_> I think so
[02:52] <Geno_> I'm not familiar with hacking
[02:53] <Geno_> It went as fast as downloading from the server(maybe faster when there was a lot of people) and it didn't use the server
[02:53] <Hobbsee> i usually grab it off an aussie mirror with a download accelerator, or off my ISP's unmetered download site
[02:53] <Geno_> Even though I think the server is big enough to handle my connection with the others.
[02:53] <Geno_> Ok
[02:55] <Hobbsee> but with daily cd's, it's a little hard to do that
[02:55] <Geno_> Yeah, that's why I asked
[02:55] <Geno_> Nobody is downloading it
[02:56] <Geno_> Torrent is like a community, somewhat, although not the same as in Linux ones.
[02:56] <Geno_> Uploading and seeding is for the "greater good" :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> that is true
[02:57] <Hobbsee> i'll look at using it when kkathman comes back here with feedback
[02:59] <StR> Hi again
[02:59] <Geno_> Hello again
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hi StR again
[03:01] <Geno_> The install file is at 18% percent, you want me to test it out in french, it that i?
[03:02] <Riddell> Geno_: oui
[03:02] <Geno_> :)
[03:05] <Geno_> I have an NTSC full-disk partition, will partman separate it well?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> NTSC?  what's that?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> i thought that had to do with US tv...
[03:07] <Geno_> oh that's me...
[03:07] <Geno_> NTFS
[03:07] <Geno_> Confused I am.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:08] <Hobbsee> hoary cd's separate it fine, i doubt the breezy ones would be any different, assuming that's what you are asking about
[03:08] <Hobbsee> *resize, not separate
[03:08] <Hobbsee> where's my brain today
[03:09] <Geno_> Ok I had Breezy installed before but when I updated, it wouldn't start, it stopped at something like "determining  battery state" on my laptop
[03:09] <Geno_> That's me who used it
[03:10] <Geno_> I'm used in french
[03:10] <Geno_> It said "File not found" when determing battery
[03:10] <Hobbsee> eek
[03:11] <Geno_> so I "**** it" I'll wait 'till it's official
[03:11] <Geno_> said*
[03:11] <Geno_> I deleted the partition and used the space for my windows games
[03:12] <Hobbsee> lol...that was a little drastic, although i've pretty much done the same thing when i started with linux
[03:12] <`Nomad> Are we close to the official release?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> it's supposed to be released on 13/8, so probably
[03:13] <crimsun> 7 days
[03:13] <crimsun> 13/10
[03:13] <crimsun> 13 august is long gong
[03:13] <crimsun> gone
[03:13] <Hobbsee> *13/10...i cant tell the month, clearly lol
[03:13] <`Nomad> :)
[03:14] <Geno_> it will come soon!
[03:14] <`Nomad> I've been having all sorts of littl eissues lately, so I'm hoping to start fresh.. 
[03:14] <Hobbsee> it will!
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Nomad: there are some daily cd's if you feel like testing it
[03:15] <`Nomad> I've been worri4ed about just doing a dist-upgrade. never done it before.. 
[03:15] <`Nomad> but I want to....  :)
[03:15] <Hobbsee> works better installing from a cd
[03:15] <`Nomad> The Home directory stays safe right?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> i've dist upgraded twice - once it worked, once it didnt
[03:16] <Hobbsee> with a distupgrade or clean install?
[03:16] <`Nomad> both?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> is your /home on a separate partition?
[03:17] <`Nomad> Arghh no!!  How did I do that?   
[03:17] <`Nomad> time to do a good backup :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:18] <Hobbsee> you use the manual partitioning when you install...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> dist upgrade, yes, it will keep your data, assuming it all works well
[03:18] <Hobbsee> but it's more risky, works for some people sometimes but not others
[03:19] <Hobbsee> it will all be overwritten with a clean install from a cd, so you'll want a backup
[03:19] <segfault2k> http://www.linuxhost.cl/~segfault/gemz.jpg <- how is the theme for konversation?
[03:29] <Geno_> So, it being daily, does it change a lot each day?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> that's a good question - Riddell?
[03:30] <Riddell> depends on the day
[03:30] <Geno_> I don't think I'll be able to test this version tonight for the french locale.
[03:31] <Geno_> I need to buy myself a cheao Linux-only pc
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Geno_: what are you running now?
[03:31] <Geno_> Windows...
[03:32] <Hobbsee> how big is your harddrive?
[03:32] <Geno_> I still haven't taken the "Great Jump"
[03:32] <Geno_> 60 GB, looks like 55, got 9 Gb free
[03:32] <Geno_> I got enougth to install
[03:32] <Geno_> but I got my work I STILL haven't started
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, you wouldnt have to get rid of windows to install the breezy
[03:32] <Hobbsee> LOL!  put it off further :P it works every time
[03:33] <Geno_> I know that, it's just time that works against me
[03:33] <Hobbsee> in an hour or so i've managed to open a document that makes it look like i'm working....
[03:33] <Geno_> I've already installed Linux
[03:33] <Hobbsee> true
[03:33] <Geno_> fucked my hard drive 3 times last week
[03:33] <Hobbsee> language
[03:33] <Geno_> Sorry for the swear, but it's actually this
[03:33] <Hobbsee> how did you do that?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ie, how did it mess up?
[03:34] <Geno_> I used Partition Magic to install it and then, trying to repair my error, bugged it even more, I know how to repair it now. I will NEVER used PM again for Linux
[03:35] <Geno_> I had just finisehd reinstalling everything on Windows and then I messed it all up a few minutes after
[03:35] <Geno_> I had to sweep everything with Acronis Drive Cleanser
[03:35] <Geno_> It wouldn't repair Windows
[03:36] <Hobbsee> eek
[03:36] <Geno_> Well said, I was freaking out
[03:36] <Hobbsee> so is your windows working now?
[03:36] <Geno_> Duh, I'm using it :p
[03:36] <Hobbsee> well, how working is it...
[03:36] <Geno_> took me 21 hours to C L E A N my hard drive
[03:37] <Geno_> like new
[03:37] <Hobbsee> it can still be used when it's fubarring all over the place
[03:37] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[03:37] <Geno_> perfectly well
[03:37] <Geno_> I had just messed my partition table and some Windows file
[03:37] <Hobbsee> i was going to say that you could always install linux, and create a smaller partition for windows, and then install windows on the smaller partition only
[03:38] <Hobbsee> otherwise you can just resize the windows partition
[03:38] <Hobbsee> both with the ubuntu installer
[03:38] <Geno_> and the worst it, I couldn't recover my files with BartPE
[03:38] <Hobbsee> you didnt backup?
[03:39] <Geno_> I was going to use GetDataBack for NTFS but it asked for me to buy it, then after scannign it, it worked
[03:39] <Geno_> I did, just a few days before
[03:39] <Geno_> but it changed a lot in a few days
[03:39] <Geno_> since i had just reformattted before
[03:39] <Geno_> I reorganized
[03:39] <Hobbsee> *sighs*....the idea of complete backup works better...
[03:40] <Geno_> What do you mean by that
[03:41] <Hobbsee> as in, to have a complete backup right before you install another OS is generally a very good idea
[03:41] <Hobbsee> and then defrag windows
[03:42] <Geno_> Yeah but I was so sure it was going to work, I had no problems before
[03:42] <Geno_> I won't do this error again
[03:42] <Hobbsee> lol...yeah, it seems to go like "if i backup, it will be fine, and i wont need the backup, but if i dont have the backup, all hell will break loose"
[03:43] <Hobbsee> done that, too
[03:43] <Geno_> Lots of fun, eh?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> i was extremely annoyed when i managed to hose my entire windows with no backup
[03:43] <Hobbsee> sure it was
[03:43] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:43] <Geno_> entire?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:43] <Geno_> BartPE couldn't work?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> didnt bother trying - i knew that i'd overwritten the entire thing
[03:43] <Geno_> oh...
[03:44] <Hobbsee> actually, i think i had the my docs folders, but that was it
[03:44] <Geno_> BartPE with GetDataBack NTFS or FAT plugin works extremely well, you don't even need to register GDB
[03:45] <Geno_> That's why I nicknamed BartPE "The Life Saver"
[03:45] <Geno_> I even wrote it on the CD
[03:45] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i have all the install cd's, it wasnt that big a deal
[03:46] <Hobbsee> or could redownload the programs
[03:46] <Geno_> ok
[03:46] <Geno_> I have files accumulated for years
[03:46] <Geno_> just random files, a lot unclassified
[03:47] <Geno_> screenshots I found funny at the  time put into .doc files
[03:47] <Hobbsee> fun, and to lose it all
[03:47] <Geno_> yeah
[03:48] <Geno_> It's more bugging to lose photos
[03:49] <bettong_BOFH> crimsun, hey man whats up?
[03:52] <Geno_> What's primarily needed for Linux programming, C++?
[03:54] <crimsun> bettong_BOFH: hi
[03:54] <bettong_BOFH> you know who i am right?
[03:54] <bettong_BOFH> crimsun, ?
[03:55] <crimsun> I don't tor very often.
[03:55] <crimsun> and I don't usually /whois either
[03:55] <bettong_BOFH> lol
[03:55] <bettong_BOFH> it's me ChurcH_of_FoamY
[03:55] <crimsun> ok
[03:55] <bettong_BOFH> i joined a linux goup called bettong
[03:55] <crimsun> a lug?
[03:55] <bettong_BOFH> yea
[03:56] <crimsun> nice
[03:56] <bettong_BOFH> it's based in aus
[03:56] <bettong_BOFH> i'm just learning tor on my own
[03:56] <bettong_BOFH> now that i kinda got a handel on linux
[03:56] <Geno_> What's primarily needed for Linux programming, C++?
[03:56] <crimsun> Geno_: a compiler and glibc headers
[03:56] <bettong_BOFH> crimsun, so what ya been up to?
[03:57] <crimsun> work, etc.
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> i'm thinking that you still don't remember me
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> cool
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> same here basicly
[03:57] <crimsun> I don't really remember anyone
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> lol
[03:57] <crimsun> I have a horrible memory
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> ^_^
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> i know what thats like >.<
[03:57] <bettong_BOFH> i'll admit it's been monthes sence i came in here
[03:57] <Geno_> What language is best to improbe and program most applications?
[03:58] <crimsun> Geno_: depends on the application. There is no best language.
[03:58] <crimsun> d'oh, coffee shop is closing.
[03:58] <bettong_BOFH> damn >.<
[03:59] <Geno_> What is the most commonly used?
[03:59] <crimsun> C, C++
[03:59] <crimsun> There are better starter languages, though, like Python, Ruby, Java, C#, ...
[04:00] <Geno_> Ok, Thanks.
[04:04] <transgress> anyone in here using kat?
[04:14] <cyne> how do i recompile my linux headers?
[04:14] <cyne> Geno_: i would use Kylix if i was you :)
[04:17] <Riddell> people use kylix?
[04:18] <BlankB> is kylix open?
[04:19] <Riddell> no, proprietry
[04:19] <Riddell> (assuming by open you mean Free)
[04:20] <cyne> right
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm starting to wonder about kkathman...did you get feedback from them?
[04:21] <Riddell> not heard from kkathman 
[04:21] <Hobbsee> :( looks like some work may need to be done to get an RC ready then
[04:22] <Riddell> which is why I need you to test them
[04:22] <Riddell> yesterday's dailys were fine and there's been minimal changes
[04:22] <Geno_> I'm burning the CD
[04:22] <Riddell> Geno_: awgooga
[04:23] <Geno_> ?
[04:23] <Riddell> awooga
[04:23] <Riddell> it means "oh good"
[04:23] <Geno_> ok... from where?
[04:24] <Geno_> Where does it come from?
[04:28] <N17R0> Hows Breezy doing?
[04:28] <N17R0> stable already?
[04:28] <cyne> 7 days
[04:29] <N17R0> 7 days left :P
[04:29] <cyne> ~
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true
[04:29] <N17R0> is that admin panel fixed already? Like it wont crash after u enter password ?
[04:29] <cyne> N17R0: it doesn't crash for me
[04:30] <N17R0> u on breezy ?
[04:30] <cyne> on both
[04:30] <Riddell> ** release candidate candidate DVDs up, please test!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20051006/ **
[04:31] <N17R0> n8
[04:31] <Geno__> You want me to contact you for the build?
[04:32] <Riddell> Geno_: just mention my name here and I'll see it in the morning
[04:32] <cyne> thanks Ridell :)
[04:32] <Geno__> what do you mean?
[04:32] <Geno__> Riddell: TesT?
[04:32] <Riddell> Geno__: you're going to test the CDs?
[04:32] <Geno__> yeah the install cd, in french
[04:33] <Geno__> I don't feel like sleeping
[04:37] <Geno__> How do I mention yout name exactly?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> type in his name
[04:37] <cyne> Geno_ just say it in the channel and he will see it
[04:37] <Hobbsee> and your message
[04:37] <Geno__> ok
[04:37] <Hobbsee> like this:
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Geno__: this is what you need to do
[04:37] <charles> is anyone in here having trouble entering "Administrator Mode" under system settings ... i prompts for the password, but it's all still disabled when it should be in admin mode?
[04:37] <Geno__> Am I the only one to test?
[04:37] <Geno__> Ok thanks
[04:37] <Hobbsee> and it flashes up on your screen, or shows red, etc
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Geno__: doubt it
[04:38] <Geno__> I used Trillian, not IRC
[04:39] <Hobbsee> I thought trillian did something when your name is mentioned as well
[04:39] <Hobbsee> most clients do
[04:39] <apokryphos> charles: no, it's a known and annoying bug. If you're experiencing it see http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681
[04:40] <Geno__> Hobbsee: I don't know, maybe
[04:40] <Geno__> I don't use IRC often
[04:40] <Riddell> charles: known problem
[04:41] <Riddell> Geno__: type Riddell and I get a highlight
[04:43] <apokryphos> is http://newlineagencies.co.uk loading for anyone here?
[04:43] <Geno__> yep
[04:44] <apokryphos> Geno__: the full page; everything fine?
[04:44] <Geno__> yeah
[04:44] <Geno__> it loaded well
[04:44] <apokryphos> ok, thanks. 
[04:44] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: wfm
[04:45] <apokryphos> interesting; thanks.
[04:46] <kurtbec> anyone else running breezy?
[04:49] <Geno__> I did before I updated it, but not Kubuntu
[04:49] <Geno__> LILO or GRUB? I always used GRUB, any advantage with LILO?
[04:49] <kurtbec> darn, trying to see if anyone has issues with gl screensavers under kde.
[04:49] <gargoylol> hmm
[04:50] <Geno__> kurtbec: I'm starting the install on my other comp
[04:50] <gargoylol> how would I get around mounting my FAT32 and NTFS drives? (I know ntfs has no real write support)
[04:50] <kurtbec> Geno__: good deal.  from what I'm seeing gl screensavers are not accelerated under kde.  just seeing if anyone notices this.
[04:51] <gargoylol> mount: can't find /dev/hdb3 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:51] <chx> good folks, help me! my numeric keys went amok -- they are moving the mouse cursor :(
[04:51] <gargoylol> go into your control center
[04:52] <gargoylol> peripherals>mouse>mouse navigation
[04:52] <chx> not ticked.
[04:52] <chx> oh
[04:52] <chx> ticked, deticked , back to normal!
[04:52] <gargoylol> :)
[04:52] <chx> there should be a shortkey for this
[04:52] <chx> I pressed something... but what? :)
[04:53] <gargoylol> i dunno, i'm a newb with kubuntu too
[04:53] <Hobbsee> chx: i'm sure there is a setting for this
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yes, there is
[04:54] <Hobbsee> kcontrol, peripherals, mouse, 
[04:54] <Hobbsee> mouse navigation tab, then untick the box :)
[04:54] <chx> Hobbsee: yes, gargoylol show me that too
[04:54] <Hobbsee> oops, sorry
[04:54] <chx> Hobbsee: now I hunt for the keyboard shortcut
[04:54] <Hobbsee> missed that bit
[04:54] <Hobbsee> ah...
[04:54] <chx> Hobbsee: so that next time I won't press it :)
[04:55] <Geno__> LILO or GRUB? I always used GRUB, any advantage with LILO?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> my only guess would be somewhere in the keyboard shortcuts in kcontrol
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Geno__: got no idea, i recall hearing that GRUB is more stable
[04:56] <kurtbec> I much prefer Grub.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !grub
[04:56] <ubotu> somebody said grub was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !lilo
[04:56] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What?
[04:56] <Geno__> Is LILO more beautiful or what?
[04:57] <kurtbec> biggest reason i like grub is that you can edit your boot config on the fly where if you make a mistake in lilo you are screwed.
[04:57] <chx> yes, yes , grub is great
[04:57] <chx> just try switching hard disks so bios gives you dfferent numbers
[04:57] <chx> you will learn that using grub command line is invaluable
[05:00] <Geno__> Thanks.
[05:00] <Geno__> I should beingmy work for tomorrow that has been know to me for 2 weeks. :P
[05:00] <Geno__> X-)
[05:02] <gargoylol> lol my process was "installed kubuntu over slax over win2k"
[05:02] <gargoylol> luckily slax was on a different mbr
[05:02] <Geno__> ok...
[05:03] <gargoylol> though i've got no clue how to boot into win2k with it though
[05:03] <gargoylol> as it leaves me with a minibash prompt
[05:04] <Geno__> Ouch...
[05:04] <Geno__> You need to backup files?<
[05:04] <gargoylol> nope
[05:04] <gargoylol> i stilll have my ntfs and fat32 paritions intact
[05:05] <gargoylol> i did waste my "isos and crappy games" partition for kubuntu though :)
[05:05] <Geno__> lol
[05:06] <gargoylol> where isos of linux go and crappy games like bf2 and serious sam 2 go
[05:07] <Geno__> lol
[05:14] <Hobbsee> how's it going Geno__?
[05:15] <Geno__> installing
[05:15] <Geno__> and BEGINNINg my philosophy homework :p
[05:15] <Geno__> Coffee or energy drinks are gonna be needed tomorrow
[05:16] <bpasdar> Does anyone have experience with kmail crashing sig 11 while sending?
[05:16] <Geno__> Hmmmn... weird... I can't see the list of user
[05:19] <Hobbsee> lol...
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Geno__there would only be one user, wouldtn there?
[05:19] <Geno__> yeah, but it's not a drama
[05:20] <bpasdar> Any takers at all on my kmail question?  
[05:20] <Hobbsee> not from me
[05:20] <Hobbsee> i rarely use kmail
[05:20] <bpasdar> I have openexchange and it is the only client I know that can sync with address and calendar
[05:21] <bpasdar> it seems to also be highly highly unstable
[05:21] <Hobbsee> :(
[05:21] <gargoylol> haha, wine sorta runs gtavc
[05:23] <gargoylol> doom3 couldn't init opengl though. :(
[05:23] <gargoylol> then again there's a linux build for that
[05:38] <seth_k|lappy> anybody have a working Alps Glidepoint on Breezy? (scrolling working, that is)
[05:42] <kurtbec> anyone using breezy?
[05:43] <seth_k|lappy> i am, kurtbec 
[05:43] <seth_k|lappy> on two machines
[05:44] <kurtbec> seth_k|lappy: good.  have you noticed any issues with gl screensavers in kde?
[05:44] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, yes, they are extremely slow and choppy
[05:44] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, unusable for me
[05:44] <kurtbec> seth_k|lappy: do they look like they are blinking almost?
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> let me run one and look
[05:45] <seth_k|lappy> both on an ATI system and an nVidia system, both of which are running the binary drivers
[05:45] <kurtbec> at least on mine they seem to flicker.  looks like they aren't accelerated at all.
[05:47] <seth_k|lappy> actually kurtbec, oddly enough, they seem to be doing fine today on the ATI machine
[05:47] <seth_k|lappy> full speed ahead
[05:47] <Geno__> What are you guys talking about?
[05:47] <seth_k|lappy> I tried ~10 GL savers
[05:48] <kurtbec> seth_k|lappy: are you previewing them in kcontrol or running them from the command line?
[05:48] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, previewing
[05:48] <kurtbec> Geno__: gl screensavers in kde
[05:48] <Geno__> Oh, I'm installing rightn ow, about at 60% configuring packages
[05:49] <Geno__> I have a Voodoo 3 3000 :')
[05:49] <Geno__> My parent's old comp I used since June this year...
[05:50] <kurtbec> seth_k|lappy: on mine if I preview under kde the screensavers aren't accelerated.  but if I run /usr/lib/xscreensaver/blahsaver it works just ducky.
[05:51] <seth_k|lappy> :(
[05:51] <seth_k|lappy> have all the latest updates I assume?
[05:51] <kurtbec> yep
[05:51] <seth_k|lappy> nVidia or ATI?
[05:51] <kurtbec> actually an ati chip on a laptop
[05:51] <kurtbec> not supported by the binary drivers
[05:52] <aliveuser> is there a way to see the actions performed by kynaptic?
[05:52] <kurtbec> new nickelback cd is good if anyone else cares.
[05:52] <seth_k|lappy> then kurtbec, how are you getting 3d acceleration at all?
[05:53] <kurtbec> software acceleration
[05:53] <kkathman> hey all, back again :)
[05:53] <kurtbec> not great but it does work
[05:54] <kkathman> aliveuser: You could go into your /etc/apt/sources.list and see the repositories it put there I suppose
[05:54] <aliveuser> no
[05:54] <aliveuser> i want to see
[05:54] <aliveuser> the actions performed by kynaptic
[05:54] <aliveuser> not it's repositories
[05:54] <kkathman> as in what its actually updating?
[05:54] <aliveuser> like, "downloading X pacakge"
[05:55] <kkathman> For that very reason I dont use kynaptic
[05:55] <aliveuser> yes, all the steps to be done to install or update something
[05:55] <kkathman> I tend to rely on the Gnome tool
[05:55] <aliveuser> like a log information
[05:55] <kkathman> the original Ubuntu manager
[05:55] <kkathman> I dont know of any kynaptic log
[05:55] <kkathman> but there may be one
[06:00] <ralph1> hi all. I have been running breezy for the last two days and love it, but today I am noticing some problems ksysgaurd is showing to KDM processes and a number of kgpg processs. I do not seem to be able to get kgpg/gpg to start clean. Can some one help me get a clean session with no extra processes?
[06:02] <kurtbec> is there a way to change the way a package is compiled and then recompile it to create a .deb
[06:02] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, apt-get source packagename
[06:02] <seth_k|lappy> make your changes
[06:02] <seth_k|lappy> then compile using pbuilder
[06:04] <kurtbec> seth_k|lappy: where does it dump the source tree too?
[06:04] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, wherever you run the command from
[06:04] <kurtbec> cool i'll give that a whirl
[06:04] <seth_k|lappy> so cd ~ && mkdir breezy && cd breezy && apt-get source blah
[06:04] <seth_k|lappy> hit me up if you can't get it working
[06:05] <kurtbec> will do
[06:10] <ralph1> seth_k|lappy: Hi. Is it normal to have two kdm processes running
[06:12] <seth_k|lappy> ralph1, yes
[06:15] <ralph1> seth_k|lappy: just never noticed it till today. I seem to have had a bad shutdown of Kontact and have some extra Kgpg processe that come up and make it hard to use knotact. Have been unable to make them go away. Any ideas.
[06:16] <seth_k|lappy> what happens if you kill them off?
[06:17] <aliveuser> guys, if u open kynaptic from a terminal using sudo, u could see the actions it performs
[06:17] <aliveuser> :)
[06:18] <ralph1> seth_k|lappy: They go away. But they come back when I restart Kgpg and then kontact/kmail freeze when checking gpg sigs and I never get my kgpg icon in the tray.
[06:19] <seth_k|lappy> ralph1, hmmm... dunno
[06:21] <kurtbec> seth_k|lappy: i have the source downloaded.  how do I tell what the default compile flags are that a package is built with?
[06:21] <kurtbec> i'm guessing something feeds the configure script somehow.
[06:25] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, that's all handled with the debian/rules
[06:25] <seth_k|lappy> kurtbec, if you use pbuilder it will handle all that for you
[06:25] <seth_k|lappy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[06:26] <kurtbec> so if I want to change how something is built by changing a config option how do I do that or is that specified in pbuilder
[06:27] <seth_k|lappy> you would edit debian/rules
[06:28] <Hobbsee> anyone know if kkathman got the breezy daily cd to work?
[06:30] <kurtbec> got it.
[06:46] <_geno> How can I setup GRUB ith KDE? I know with gnome only
[06:46] <_geno> How can I setup GRUB ith KDE? I know with gnome only
[06:48] <_geno> Riddell: I am on Konversation right now and everything works fine besides the fact that it doesn't take my video card(old Voodoo 3 3000), the keyboard works fine in french and all, the only thing is the "system settings" that show in englis and some contents of it
[06:50] <Hobbsee_> feels so odd using chatzilla again
[06:59] <_geno> How can I setup GRUB ith KDE? I know with gnome only
[07:00] <Hobbsee_> _geno: i didnt think it was any different
[07:00] <Hobbsee_> just use kwrite instead of gedit
[07:00] <_geno> In gnome there's a simple Startup menu
[07:00] <_geno> there's none in KDE I can find
[07:01] <Hobbsee_> i recall you have to edit the file about grub
[07:01] <Hobbsee_> think it's somewhere in /boot
[07:01] <Hobbsee_> much harder running from windows
[07:02] <_geno> it says I need the rights
[07:02] <_geno> how do I get sudo rights?
[07:02] <Hobbsee_> type in console
[07:03] <Hobbsee_> sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:03] <Hobbsee_> i think it would be menu.lst that you want
[07:04] <Hobbsee_> yep, think it is
[07:04] <Hobbsee_> why did you want to edit grub?
[07:05] <_geno> installed it on my parent's comp and want to ser windows as default
[07:05] <Hobbsee_> that's the file you want to modify, definetly
[07:07] <_geno> how do I set Win as default?
[07:25] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > hi guys.!
[07:25] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > so breezy have been released?
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > have breezy been released? *
[07:26] <Geno_> Hello
[07:26] <Geno_> I heard it's in 6 days(7 yesterday)
[07:26] <crimsun> it's on the 13th
[07:26] <crimsun> RC goes out RSN
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > 6 days!?
[07:26] <crimsun> 7
[07:26] <crimsun> RC should be out today
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > :(
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > ok
[07:26] <Geno_> RC?
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > RC?
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > aha
[07:26] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > ;P
[07:27] <Geno_> :p
[07:27] <crimsun> release candidate is one week prior
[07:30] <bugfly> Hello out there earthlings
[07:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: about to install kubuntu breezy daily cd, will write back with how it works
[07:39] <Cheapie> http://kubuntuforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=292
[07:40] <Hobbsee> cheapie:  2: see ubuntuguide.org
[07:41] <Hobbsee> cheapie: there's a section on mounting drives at bootup
[07:45] <Cheapie> ah, but what about the win2k bit?
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: works beautifully from here!  I'm glad to see that the old kcontrol is left in, as well as the new system settings
[08:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: system settings seems a little buggy - often it freezes when you hit "show all" after going into a submenu
[08:18] <Hobbsee> !repositories
[08:18] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[08:20] <Hobbsee> are the breezy backports open yet?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> !adept
[08:27] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[08:42] <Cheapie> \o/
[08:42] <Cheapie> hds mounted automaitcally!1
[08:42] <Hobbsee> just upgraded to breezy, and i have no sound - how would i go about fixing this?
[08:45] <Chousuke> check mixer settings.
[08:46] <Hobbsee> checking...
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Chousuke: in kmix?  just turned everything up, still no sound
[08:47] <Chousuke> hm
[08:48] <Chousuke> does it complain about anything when you try to play sound?=
[08:50] <mekgp> uh oh Chousuke...now Hobbsee's chat window blew up! :D
[08:50] <mekgp> ...wonder if Hobb is using KDE with Breezy??
[08:53] <Hobbsee> Chousuke: sorry, entire system crashed.  In KMix all output volumes are turned up, still no sound
[08:53] <insanekane> Hobbsee: quite possibly, it is an error with the sound drivers
[08:54] <Hobbsee> how would i go about finding that out?
[08:54] <insanekane> Hobbsee: try a google search with your card name, and with 'KDE arts Linux' appended
[08:54] <Hobbsee> this is a toshiba a10 satellite
[08:55] <mekgp> doesnt the Control Center>Sound also have to have some settings checked for sound to function?
[08:55] <mekgp> ...in KDE that is?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> yes, that's where i'm finding there is no sound
[08:55] <Hobbsee> there's a test sound button
[08:56] <mekgp> cant remem off topp of me head...arent there a couple of settings at the top of that tab that need a check correct?
[08:57] <mekgp> master vol all the way up also?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> gah!  sorry, what did you say?  had another lovely total computer freeze
[09:04] <Hobbsee> grrr...
[09:36] <kikov> hello...any hint on how to use the  # character in an iBook + KDE ?
[09:37] <kikov> and the @?
[09:38] <aliveuser> @ maybe alt + q
[09:38] <aliveuser> and # alt + 3
[09:40] <kikov> no
[09:40] <kikov> alt - q
[09:40] <kikov> alt -3 change my actual window in konverstation ;)
[09:41] <aliveuser> alt gr? i mean right alt
[09:41] <aliveuser> not left alt
[09:41] <kikov> this is an ibook, no right alt
[09:41] <kikov> 333333333333
[09:41] <kikov> ouch
[09:42] <kikov> aliveuser: just Apple key on the right and left of the bar space
[09:42] <kikov> alt on the left, and ctrl and function on the left
[09:42] <aliveuser> forgive my ignorance
[09:42] <aliveuser> ;)
[09:44] <nikkia> kikov: try right-apple-q, failing that, you might have to modify your xkb map to set right-apple as a compose modifier
[09:46] <nikkia> (one of the nice features about X is that the keyboard drivers are pretty flexible, and you can pretty much map any key (combo) to do anything you want
[09:50] <kikov> nikkia: thx
[09:50] <kikov> nikkia: it doesn't work :/
[09:50] <nikkia> kikov: then you're going to have to learn how to use xmodmap to modify the keymap table :/
[09:51] <nikkia> kikov: the good news is, you can make it do anything you want
[09:51] <kikov> yes
[09:51] <kikov> I know
[09:52] <kikov> but I wanted to use KControl to do it easily
[09:54] <aftertaf> lol
[09:54] <aftertaf> we all want to do it easily :)
[09:55] <ice> how can i active de server of nis? because it doesnt work :S
[09:55] <Toma-> anyone know where i can get a kubuntu symbol in png?
[09:55] <Toma-> preferably small... 150x150
[09:55] <kikov> aftertaf: of course
[09:56] <kikov> aftertaf: that's the only way of spreading OSS
[09:56] <ice> i need script to active de nis server and another one to be client
[09:57] <aftertaf> kikov:  another way is for us to become more accustomed to how linux works
[09:58] <aftertaf> if we do that, we won't find it as hard and l33tist as we do now.
[10:02] <kikov> aftertaf: I'm quite tired about working out all the problems.. to much time with linux, and too much computers to maintain
[10:02] <kikov> I want that computer maintain to me
[10:02] <kikov> after all I have chosen Ubuntu for its easyness
[10:03] <aftertaf> yeah, but we do need to change how we interact with the computers....
[10:03] <aftertaf> look at windows. sickeningly simple yet generations of ppl are stuck even in front of it
[10:05] <kikov> anyway, I can't believe that this problem is not well-known...
[10:05] <kikov> using the pipe, @ and # in KDE in an ibook
[10:06] <aftertaf> kikov:  file a bug..... seriously
[10:06] <aftertaf> that way you can get them to be aware of it if they arent.
[10:12] <nikkia> afteraf, its apple's fault if any, their *book keyboards are non-standard layout, slightly
[10:12] <nikkia> but i will admit that its perhaps a 'bug' in X that the keymaps don't compensate for this by mapping the apple 'modified' ways of getting common characters
[10:13] <nikkia> aftertaf: for example, the *book keyboards have no # keys on intl versions, you usually use option-3
[10:13] <Toma-> kikov: wats wrong?
[10:13] <nikkia> (I say 'non-standard', but ANSI probably hasn't defined a laptop layout, which is something sorely needed, i'm sick of laptops having keys in different places :)
[10:14] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:15] <aftertaf> i agree nikkia, and to file a 'bug' would be to file a functionality request probably
[10:16] <nikkia> aftertaf: well, its a 'bug' in X, really, and i'm not sure its a feature request, i'm not really sure what i'd call it - the Xorg people need to redo or add a new keymap for apple laptops
[10:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: mowwnin'
[10:16] <nikkia> afteraf, it might already be there, tbh
[10:16] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[10:16] <aftertaf> lol apokryphos 
[10:16] <aftertaf> aaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiii ;)
[10:16] <aftertaf>  </Ali G>
[10:16] <apokryphos> =)
[10:17] <nikkia> nope, there is a 'macintosh' and 'macintosh_old', not really comprehensive there
[10:18] <nikkia> (/me guesses macintosh = ExtII layout, macintosh_old = Ext, or perhaps the pre-Ext layout)
[10:19] <nikkia> btw, there are numerous bug reports on this issue all over the place, mostly at the distro levels
[10:19] <nikkia> ie, there are bug reports on debian for it, on ubuntu for it, and so on, haven't seen one at the Xorg level yet
[10:20] <nikkia> and tbh, i can't be arsed to create a login on Xorg's bugzilla to find out :)
[10:20] <nikkia> (login-required bugzilla systems on large public projects are bad, mkay?)
[10:24] <nikkia> 10 minutes ago, i was marvelling at the fact that my ICQ account has been connected for 4 whole days.... guess what was waiting for me on my IM desktop :)
[10:26] <aftertaf> i dunno.......
[10:26] <aftertaf> cold pizza?
[10:26] <nikkia> aftertaf: 'kopete has encountered an error with this connection'
[10:26] <nikkia> aftertaf: and a greyed out ICQ icon
[10:34] <aftertaf> lol  nice one kopete...
[10:34] <aftertaf> :/
[10:39] <nikkia> aftertaf: its not kopete at fault...
[10:39] <nikkia> ICQ is just terrible in terms of reliability these days
[10:40] <nikkia> hence why i'd been amazed at 4 days worth of connection :)
[10:40] <buz> ah so i'm not the only one with icq trouble
[10:42] <ice>                                                  can anyone help me with nis service?
[10:45] <aftertaf> hehehe
[10:46] <nikkia> ice, i gave up caring about NIS about 20 seconds after passing my Solaris admin cert :P
[10:47] <nikkia> i've never met anyone that has implemented a NIS server and been grateful they didn't go with some alternative :)
[10:48] <ice> i tried usingg ypserv but this doesnt work :S
[10:49] <ice> i need a manual for it 
[10:49] <nikkia> ice, seriously, i'd suggest using ldap instead or something
[10:50] <nikkia> ice, i think o'reilly has a book on YP/NIS/NIS+ setup, but i'm not 100% sure
[10:50] <ice> url please?
[10:51] <_gdh> http://books.bazza.com/ror/nfs/index.htm
[10:52] <nikkia> gdh, doesn't seem very comprehensive on the NIS side tho
[10:52] <nikkia> i don't understand why anyone would *choose* NIS tho
[10:53] <ice> the unique problem i have got is a server activation
 Then you can get a full refund on the price you paid :)
[10:53] <nikkia> you tend to get forced into it by being told to setup a sun server, and thats about it
[10:53] <_gdh> I use NIS at work for diskless PXE-boot NIS+NFS workstations.
[10:53] <nikkia> http://publib16.boulder.ibm.com/pseries/en_US/aixbman/nisplus/mastertoc.htm#mtoc
[10:53] <_gdh> NIS is confusing, but LDAP is much more so :)
[10:54] <ice> yes
[10:54] <ice> but i need nis
[11:01] <ubuntu> hi... i have a problem
[11:01] <caringi> :)
[11:02] <ice> nikkia my biggest problem is when i made ypserv start but this doesnt work "no message of error"
[11:03] <caringi> i'm trying the kubuntu live-cd latest version...
[11:03] <nikkia> i dunno if ypserv is going to auto-start portmap and all the other RPC junk, my guess is 'not', and yp/NIS needs RPC
[11:03] <ice> need rpc?
[11:03] <caringi> but my old serial mouse doesn't work... any idea?
[11:04] <caringi> how to configure a old serial mouse on a kubuntu live-cd?! 
[11:06] <nikkia> ice, many of sun's services run using RPC (remote procedural calls), including NFS and YP/NIS/NIS+
[11:10] <ice> ok where can i get the rpc?
[11:16] <nikkia> ice, its probably already installed, but whether or not it is configured and running is a different matter
[11:16] <ice> how can i run this?
[11:16] <ice> or test if is running
[11:19] <nikkia> ice, portmap lists rpc services
[11:19] <nikkia> ice, i can't remember whether its -l or -v to list tho
[11:21] <knubbe> anyone who knows why i have problems to enable my eth1 (wireless) card? i see this in my syslog when i try to enable the card: "ipw2200: failed to send TX_POWER command"
[11:25] <knubbe> When i try to turn the txpower on ("sudo iwconfig eth1 txpower on") i get: Error for wireless request "Set Tx Power" (8B26) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Input/output error.
[11:28] <robin_> are there no newer versions of kubuntu than the one on the url in the topic?
[11:28] <robin_> because it is dated 08-09
[11:34] <jmg> damn kaffeine wont play this wmv
[11:34] <knubbe> robin_: the latest version or kubuntu is actually hoary and its much older.
[11:34] <jmg> how stable are the 3.5b1 packages?
[11:34] <buz> jmg: work perfectly for me
[11:34] <jmg> buz: clean upgrade?
[11:34] <robin_> knubbe: I meant the breezy one
[11:35] <buz> upgraded to it from hoary
[11:35] <buz> then upgraded to breezy
[11:35] <buz> no trouble at all
[11:35] <jmg> im on breezy
[11:35] <knubbe> robin_: the final version of breezy is out september 13.
[11:35] <jmg> buz: is it all nice and kubuntufied or is it default kde?
[11:35] <robin_> knubbe: url?
[11:35] <knubbe> robin_: october 13. sorry!
[11:36] <robin_> knubbe: :)
[11:53] <pipoun> hello mates
[11:54] <pipoun> I'm using kde 3.4.0, and I wanted to add new keyboardlinks
[11:55] <pipoun> although the quicklinks are recognized, they are not effective
[11:55] <pipoun> and when I restart the config pannel they have disapeared
[11:55] <Tm_T> uh oh, how that katapult works?
[11:57] <buz> start it and hit alt space
[11:58] <buz> but as for what it's good for i dont really know either
[11:58] <Tm_T> well, I try to run it but if I run it from console, nothing appears
[12:05] <morrow> hmmm this new kubuntu usplash is just to dark to see the progress bar or read the "OK" text...
[12:06] <aftertaf> mine goes to console after "starting modules"
[12:09] <Riddell> morrow: that was fixed in an upload yesterday
[12:09] <Riddell> morrow: although the bottom half of the kubuntu text is still too dark for my liking, if anyone wants to play around with that it would be great
[12:11] <morrow> it works well on my laptop without daylight. :)
[12:15] <morrow> Riddell: is there a howto for the palete?
[12:16] <Riddell> morrow: nope, needs to be 16 colours
[12:17] <Riddell> #define BACKGROUND_COLOUR 0
[12:17] <Riddell> #define PROGRESSBAR_COLOUR 1
[12:17] <Riddell> #define TEXT_BACKGROUND 0
[12:17] <Riddell> #define TEXT_FOREGROUND 2
[12:17] <Riddell> #define RED 13
[12:17] <Riddell> test by building kubuntu-default-settings
[12:18] <Riddell> running sudo usplash  on a text console
[12:18] <morrow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Usplash/Artwork
[12:18] <morrow> found it :-)
[12:20] <Riddell> ah hah
[12:30] <aftertaf> usplash goes to console after "starting modules" on my home pc.... :/
[12:32] <nikkia> java is even more anal about type casting than C++ :(
[01:40] <Hobbsee> !katapault
[01:40] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hobbsee
[01:40] <Hobbsee> !katapult
[01:40] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[01:45] <aftertaf> katapult?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> program in breezy
[01:47] <Hobbsee> testing it all out
[01:47] <Hobbsee> for the RC tomorrow
[01:48] <aftertaf> ok.
[01:48] <aftertaf> i ran it like it said,
[01:49] <aftertaf> what next?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ask Riddell
[01:52] <aftertaf> hehe ok
[01:52] <Hobbsee> said that you're willing to test
[01:52] <Hobbsee> does the suspend and all that work for you, or are you not running a laptop?
[01:53] <aftertaf> Riddell:  i'm willing to test katapult. I'm running a laptop and ive never yet tried suspend
[01:53] <aftertaf> :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> may as well try it
[01:53] <Hobbsee> tried adept yet?  it's really nice!
[01:54] <aftertaf> yep :)
[01:54] <PeterSomnium> can someone help me install java on hoary? Azureus and Limewire don't work without it
[01:55] <Hobbsee> good point, i had forgotten to install java
[01:55] <Hobbsee> !java
[01:55] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[01:55] <Hobbsee> it's sitting here in my home directory doing nothing
[01:55] <apokryphos> PeterSomnium: best way is to download the debs from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/ and install them
[01:55] <PeterSomnium> thanks
[01:55] <PeterSomnium> needed those debs ^^
[01:55] <Hobbsee> can somone teach the bot that one lol?
[01:56] <stupendo5> what's wrong with the normal debs?
[01:56] <apokryphos> stupendo5: considering there aren't any...
[01:56] <Riddell> aftertaf: alt+space
[01:56] <stupendo5> what's in the ubuntu repository?
[01:56] <apokryphos> stupendo5: no sun java, that's for sure.
[01:56] <PeterSomnium> nop
[01:56] <stupendo5> oh, because it's not "free"
[01:56] <aftertaf> Riddell:  dont seem to do anything......
[01:56] <PeterSomnium> and it just doesnt work with the normal debs
[01:57] <PeterSomnium> yeah, the licenses :P
[01:57] <Riddell> aftertaf: make sure katapult is installed and running
[01:57] <apokryphos> stupendo5: partly; also because making them without their explicit permission is illegal
[01:57] <aftertaf> it is... on both counts
[01:57] <Hobbsee> how does one go about making katapult run?  is it supposed to have a gui?
[01:57] <aftertaf> ps -A shows it
[01:57] <apokryphos> !katapult
[01:57] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[01:57] <buz> has anyone got that running?
[01:58] <aftertaf> buz:  try qemu
[01:58] <aftertaf> (but dont ask me how... ;) )
[01:58] <Hobbsee> 2 instances of katapult on here
[01:58] <Hobbsee> running, that is
[01:58] <buz> aftertaf: too slow for windows emu
[01:58] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: close one, hit alt+space and you're good to go
[01:58] <aftertaf> ok buz
[01:58] <apokryphos> (i.e. start typing something out)
[01:59] <aftertaf> Riddell:  i have it running, but alt+space does nothing visible.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> same as aftertaf on here
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ooh wow!
[02:01] <Hobbsee> it works!
[02:01] <Hobbsee> that's neat!
[02:01] <joeyttb> hi all
[02:02] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: you cant miss it, it's fairly obvious, so dont worry :P
[02:02] <aftertaf> where do i notice it?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> in the centre of the screen
[02:02] <Hobbsee> i did a killall katapult
[02:02] <Hobbsee> then ran katapult again, and then hit alt+space and it came up
[02:04] <aftertaf> servicetype Katapult/Display not found
[02:04] <aftertaf> when i run it in console as a bg task
[02:04] <Hobbsee> that's a nice new version of the run command, pretty much :)_
[02:04] <Tm_T> hm
[02:06] <aftertaf>      still no joy... :/
[02:07] <Hobbsee> restart x?
[02:10] <aftertaf> mebbe.
[02:11] <aftertaf> will reboot anyway to see if i can use the newer kernel. broken on boot on this machine cos of agpgart & nm256 drivers
[02:12] <aftertaf> pff i can't be othered to though right now. i'll wait till breezy official
[02:13] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:13] <Hobbsee> breezy official has another week to wait...that's heaps far away
[02:14] <Hobbsee> yes, i'm impatient - but i know i wouldnt be able to install it then as it's the week before my exams start
[02:18] <aftertaf> lol
[02:19] <ciX> Hi I got a huge problem with my kubuntu desktop. I have VERY big fonts and some windows are also very big like 800x600 resolution, I was told that it would maybe be a  dpi problem
[02:19] <ciX> but I'm very new to linux, anyone who might now how to change this? 
[02:19] <ciX> and sorry for my english
[02:26] <elvirolo> hum
[02:26] <elvirolo> hi all
[02:26] <elvirolo> amarok started using up more than 95 % CPU again
[02:31] <bdmp2000> I have a question. I have to "Create a file startscim in .kde/Autostart/ " but I don't know where to locate that .kde folder is. Can someone help me out?
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> bdmp2000: .kde is in your hom edir
[02:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> *home dir
[02:31] <bdmp2000> thanks
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> in konquerer, put the path "/home/$username/,kde"
[02:32] <bdmp2000> sweet
[02:34] <Hobbsee> why isnt katapult set to run at bootup?
[02:35] <Juerd> What is katapult?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> !katapult
[02:36] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[02:37] <jeh_work> sounds like a lot of work to run some apps?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> it's installed by default in breezy, we were testing it out
[02:38] <Hobbsee> search works well in konqueror
[02:42] <jjesse> in konqueror do a locate:/ and then the file name
[02:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, it works really well
[02:43] <jjesse> google suggest works in konquerer as well in breezy
[02:48] <elvirolo_brb> is it still impossible to have musicbrainz support in amarok ?
[02:58] <brosio> anyone known a guide to set up cups on ubuntu ?
[02:58] <elvirolo> hi again
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know what package 'lockfile' should be in? its missing off one of my systems
[02:59] <Hobbsee> brosio: nope, but what are you trying to do?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser:  dpkg -S lockfile shows it in a number of packages
[03:04] <thoreauputic> !tell Kamping_Kaiser about find lockfile
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have done that, and it looks like the only diff between the 2 systems (one with, one without) is prockmail :\
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: one of the packages it shows up in is procmail, yeah
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. *slaps lockfile about a bit* where are you hiding :(
[03:06] <thoreauputic> procmail: /usr/bin/lockfile
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks thoreauputic, i had to instlal procmail to get 'lockfile' :(
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks for th epointer
[03:09] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: quite funny really - I didn't even know I had procmail installed here! 
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. lucky i told you ;)
[03:11] <thoreauputic> must be a dependency for something else I have...
[03:11] <brosio> Hobbsee, can't print
[03:11] <brosio> if i use
[03:11] <elvirolo> can anyone help me to enable musicbrainz support in amarok?
[03:11] <brosio> cat prova > /dev/usb/lp0 works
[03:11] <brosio> but if i try with cups
[03:11] <brosio> not
[03:12] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: ah, ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop apparently...
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> right... why doesnt that box hav it then :O *wonders*
[03:12] <thoreauputic> apt-cache rdepends procmail
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. that explains the small upgrade... no ubuntu-desktop. must be a server install
[03:25] <cyne> what's news with kubuntu?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> another aussie thoreaputic?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> yup :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> on dialup...ouch
[03:27] <thoreauputic> indeed :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> which state?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> NSW
[03:27] <Hobbsee> *nods* as well
[03:28] <Hobbsee> coffee at 11.30pm?
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> its only 11 here :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> qld?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you must be in the east
[03:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, sa (if my clocks right its 11)
[03:29] <thoreauputic> I live on internet time ;)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> of course...lol...how could i forget my home state's time?
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> and lol
[03:30] <Hobbsee> qld's an hour out...
[03:30] <aftertaf> you're all wrong, its 3:30 pm anyway :)
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep. nutters :P
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf: schools jsut finishing *heads off * :P
[03:31] <pipoun> hello frenchie
[03:32] <pipoun> I have a script that I use in a shell, it asks for my root password
[03:32] <Hobbsee> LOL :P
[03:32] <thoreauputic> Queenslanders refuse to live on Southern Socialist time :D
[03:32] <pipoun> But I want to launch this script with khostkeys
[03:32] <Hobbsee> they do...it's shocking of them!
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol thor
[03:33] <pipoun> How can I do that? A direct link o the script doesn't work
[03:34] <cyne> aftertaf: after i get this new kernel module i should be able to run vmware again :)
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: :O
[03:34] <cyne> it's the kangaroo desktop environment
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> the ubuntu version uses "trash" to indicate "bin" :(
[03:34] <cyne> we use them instead of horses here
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going to file a bug when i remember my login to launchpad/bugzilla
[03:35] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:35] <Hobbsee> well, some people in various parts of the world (glances over at people in the US) seem to think we say gday mate to each other all the time, and see kangaroos every minute or so...
[03:35] <alf_> hi people
[03:35] <Hobbsee> keep them as pets, and ride them to work...
[03:35] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: so you add /usr/trash/ to your path, right ?
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: what? :O
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: when actually, the truthis we all have pet koalas .... *g*
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: .....
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :0
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> you dont ride kangaroos to work :S
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ????
[03:37] <Hobbsee> oh yes, and the koalas
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser:  s/bin/trash  <<
[03:37] <nikkia> thoreauputic: that'd explain the low population density - koalas are evil! :)
[03:37] <Hobbsee> how could i forget the koalas - i want one, they're so cuddly!
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol nikkia.
[03:37] <thoreauputic> nikkia: they are indeed :)
[03:37] <aftertaf> lol Hobbsee g'day~$
[03:37] <Hobbsee> well, it'd be a bit hard to ride a koala to work, as it's a little small
[03:37] <Hobbsee> g'day aftertaf lol
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Hobbsee: they piss on you and claw you ;-)
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: tehy get fairly big
[03:37] <Hobbsee> lol...yeah, but not big enough
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: its part of teh deal ;)
[03:38] <alf_> I can't get a driver compile, it wants modversion.h in kernel sources, but it's not there, any idea ?
[03:38] <cyne> some people do say g'day mate all the time
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Of course, people don't know about the dangerous Eastern Drop Bear
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: thats me :(
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forget ppls names because i call them 'mate' so much :$
[03:39] <cyne> the next version of ms windows with the australian locale will say "G'day, where do you want to go today?"
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: you mean this? http://users.on.net/~goetz/windaz2kdown.jpg
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek its gone :S
[03:39] <Hobbsee> some, yes
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, that reminds me....
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://users.on.net/~goetz/windaz2kdown.jpeg < there it is
[03:40] <Hobbsee> http://www.australiablog.com/guide/001381.shtml is always good to send to your gullible friends :P
[03:40] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: from my experience, that second dialog box would make it unusable by 99% of aussies :P
[03:41] <nikkia> erm, first dialog box, i guess, the other is a menu screenshot :)
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:41] <cyne> oh dear Kamping_Kaiser hopefully this is innacurate
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i like the pic...
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a bit low res, i scaled it down to be uplaoded easier
[03:42] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: and i'd have gone with renaming the recycle bin 'the dunny'
[03:43] <Hobbsee> that's true
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its scanned of a pic someone lent me ...
[03:43] <Hobbsee> it definetly ought to be the dummy
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> it scratched my cd :(
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 perfect rings, about 1/3 of the way in and 2/3s of the way in :(
[03:46] <Hobbsee> *dunny
[03:48] <Hobbsee> nite all...
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ngiht Hobbsee
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yeah mate
[03:49] <Hobbsee> this sheila is going to bed!
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> sheila?
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. night mate
[03:49] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:49] <Hobbsee> woman?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> i thought that was the translation of sheila
[03:49] <Hobbsee> or have i not watched enough crocodile dundee?
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, whois reveals a female :) 
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, your right ;)
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> just suprised... *hides from nikkia who will now rant*
[03:50] <Hobbsee> whois reveals a female?
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /whois. look at your hostmask
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> forget it ;) go to bed
[03:51] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:51] <Hobbsee> will go to bed eventually, but you have me curious now
[03:51] <StR> Hi all!
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. 
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ah, so it does
[03:51] <Hobbsee> i see now
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi StR
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:51] <StR> Hi Kamping_Kaiser !
[03:51] <Hobbsee> was wondering how my isp would tell you my gender lol...
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:52] <Hobbsee> and what they would be called
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ozemail had a good shot with 'ozfemale ' or similar  "|
[03:52] <Hobbsee> true
[03:53] <Hobbsee> i'm thinking chicknet or something
[03:53] <Hobbsee> bah, i was never any good at coming up with names
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. it has a ring
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> good for 50 year old blokse :)
[03:53] <sproingie> hm.  anyone know how to activate the kubuntu usplash?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> haha yeah, that's the problem
[03:53] <StR> sproingie: me!
[03:53] <sproingie> if i run usplash from the cli, i get the kubuntu usplash
[03:53] <sproingie> but when i boot, i get the old ubuntu one
[03:54] <StR> sproingie: apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:54] <sproingie> already did
[03:54] <sproingie> i have the kubuntu one and it appears when i run usplash manully
[03:54] <sproingie> manually
[03:55] <sproingie> but the old one is hardwired into the boot initrd somehow
[03:57] <Drakeson> where is libkvideoio?
[03:57] <sproingie> guess i'll know if that worked next boot
[04:06] <spiral> hi
[04:06] <thoreauputic> sproingie: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[04:07] <sproingie> i'm currently updating with a new linux image as we speak
[04:07] <sproingie> so that should probably happen automatically
[04:09] <sproingie> huh
[04:09] <sproingie> Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[04:09] <sproingie> oh nevermind that's grub
[04:29] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:29] <slow-motion> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser>  :)
[04:33] <MarcC> @anybody...I upgraded from 3.4.2 to 3.5 Beta and now the NVIDIA kernel module cannot be loaded...? How can I fix this?
[04:36] <cyne> MarcC: upgrade what?
[04:36] <cyne> what is the nvidia kernel module called?
[04:36] <MarcC> cyne: upgrade kubuntu?
[04:37] <MarcC> how can I figure out what it's called? maybe nvidia.ko or something.
[04:39] <MarcC> ok, I'm going to change nvidia to nv in the xorg.conf and try to fix this by reinstalling the nvidia stuff.
[04:39] <cyne> good idea
[04:39] <cyne> i cna't get 'nvidia' driver to work at all
[04:39] <cyne> can't
[04:39] <cyne> i installed nvidia-glx
[04:40] <MarcC> I just followed a howto in the hoary forum.
[04:40] <MarcC> thanks
[04:42] <cyne> where's the howto man
[04:42] <cyne> i need it!
[04:42] <MarcC-away> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[04:42] <cyne> thanks
[04:47] <MarcC-away> actually, heck with it. maybe I'll just install breezy now and see if the problem fixes itself.
[04:49] <xk> ol
[05:01] <Phobos> Is there going to be a release canidate for kubuntu today?
[05:01] <Riddell> Phobos: yes
[05:02] <Riddell> Phobos: we're waiting on AMD64 testers
[05:02] <Riddell> any AMD64 users about??
[05:02] <CaiN_SA> ok 
[05:02] <CaiN_SA> i used ubuntu
[05:02] <CaiN_SA> got kde
[05:03] <CaiN_SA> now i see the usplash has artwork for kubuntu
[05:03] <CaiN_SA> how do i get those to show
[05:03] <CaiN_SA> instead of the ubuntu splash screen ?
[05:03] <Drakeson> isn't it too dark? (usplash)
[05:04] <Drakeson> hardly visible ;)
[05:04] <CaiN_SA> i want the kubuntu usplash
[05:04] <CaiN_SA> i want to see how it looks
[05:04] <cyne> hello!
[05:04] <cyne> i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and i thought that it would give me a new kernel
[05:05] <cyne> but it was only the sources i think...  can anyone verify?
[05:05] <Drakeson> Riddell: I have touched the ksplash a little bit (a little bug was there)
[05:05] <beast> i've noticed something in kubuntu... when i try to run a regular konsole, i do a su root and enter my password, i get a su: Authentication failure Sorry.  using the run command works by setting it to run as root and using my password, but it used to work where i could just open a konsole and su root and it would work
[05:05] <beast> anyone else had this problem? anyone have a fix?
[05:06] <Drakeson> su root and then root's pass or your pass?
[05:07] <beast> well, the pass that i setup as root's
[05:07] <beast> using the password works when i use the run command (alt+f2)
[05:07] <Riddell> Drakeson: what did you change?
[05:07] <cyne> my problem is this. i'm trying to run vmware which wants me to have gcc 3.4.5 because the current ubuntu kernel was compiled with that
[05:07] <cyne> so it can recompile vmware support
[05:07] <Drakeson> just the size of the splash_bottom.png by 3 pixels!
[05:07] <cyne> what can i do? i don't have that available to me
[05:08] <cyne> i tried recompiling the kernel but i'm not proficient enough 
[05:08] <cyne> is there not some easy fix? why is gcc-3.4.5 not available in kynaptic?
[05:08] <Drakeson> I looked into the default ksplash source (svn) and seems there are  a lot of hard built parts, so it may look non-perfect with large fonts
[05:09] <Drakeson> and also there are a few extra files in the kdm/Themes/kubuntu (not used)
[05:12] <skaman>  what do i need to let amarok read mp3?
[05:12] <Riddell> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:12] <skaman> thn
[05:12] <skaman> x
[05:12] <Drakeson> I removed them from kde-look but they are still in /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu/ (at least in kubuntu-default-settings_1 5.10-15_all.deb)
[05:16] <skaman> do you have problems with themes & icons?
[05:16] <skaman> i installed fews
[05:16] <skaman> but noone works
[05:22] <cyne> i love hard resetting my linux install
[05:22] <cyne> it's so fun
[05:22] <cyne> :(
[05:23] <cyne> who knows how to do a disk check?
[05:24] <nalioth> cyne: man fsck
[05:24] <cyne> thanks
[05:27] <cyne> holy mother of perl
[05:32] <cherusker> hello guys! i have different mouse pointers in firefox as in the rest of all other apps. it's an ugly black pointer 
[05:32] <cherusker> does s.o. know hoe to fix this?
[05:33] <beast> has anyone had a problem authenticating when trying to su root in konsole?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> beast: use sudo -i  and give your user password
[05:34] <thoreauputic> beast: unless you set a root pass, which is deprecated in Ubuntu
[05:35] <beast> sudo -i worked :)
[05:35] <beast> thanks!
[05:36] <thoreauputic> np :)
[05:36] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[05:36] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:37] <BlankB> !root shell
[05:37] <ubotu> BlankB: What?
[05:37] <BlankB> !root login
[05:37] <ubotu> BlankB: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:37] <BlankB> 8(
[05:37] <BlankB> I thought I taught it better than that.
[05:37] <thoreauputic> BlankB: redundant stuff was wiped by seveas recently
[05:38] <BlankB> that would be me.
[05:38] <BlankB> I tried to add 'sudo -s' to it.
[05:38] <BlankB> !krepositories
[05:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, BlankB
[05:38] <BlankB> Dang it. It forgot all the stuff I taught it.
[05:38] <thoreauputic> BlankB: sudo -s is not as good as sudo -i
[05:39] <thoreauputic> BlankB: seveas probably removed it for that reason
[05:39] <BlankB> Makes sense.
[05:40] <BlankB> !repositories
[05:40] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[05:40] <thoreauputic> BlankB: seveas has some very definite ideas about the bot...  not all of which seem totally sensible to me
[05:41] <BlankB> I had added a page on the wiki where I started to explain how to change repos in Kubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com//KubuntuAddingRepositoriesHowto and had ubotu link to it.
[05:42] <BlankB> !list
[05:42] <ubotu> hmm... list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[05:44] <thoreauputic> BlankB: if you think it's useful add it to ubotu 's database - seveas is a bit over zealous at times
[05:44] <thoreauputic> IMO
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i trust you ;)
[05:49] <nikkia> oh crap
[05:50] <nikkia> it would appear the internet has been fractured :(
[05:50] <thoreauputic> nikkia: that sounds serious ......
[05:50] <nikkia> major disagreement between two of the major backbones (level3 and cogent) and they'd denied access to the backbones of each other
[05:50] <thoreauputic> hrmm
[05:51] <knubbe> oh
[05:51] <thoreauputic> nikkia: do you have a link handy?
[05:51] <knubbe> kubuntu is blue now during startup (instead of brown)
[05:51] <nikkia> thoreauputic: not really, its posted on my webspace provider's BBS as reason why its all very very broken atm :/
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ah I see 
[05:52] <nikkia> thoreauputic: http://status.cogentco.com/
[05:53] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I suspect some very powerful people are going to do some serious arse kicking rather soon if they don't wake up
[05:53] <nikkia> thoreauputic: makes me wonder if this is any way linked to the EU/UN vowing to take the control of DNS from the US
[05:53] <nikkia> or if history will note '2005 - the year the net-wars started' :/
[05:53] <thoreauputic> oh dear :( Sadly you might be spot on
[05:54] <thoreauputic> breaking the internet would have some rather spectacular social consequences
[05:55] <knubbe> how do i enable my wlan card? (breezy)
[05:55] <thoreauputic> as in, people won't take it lying down
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: yes tehy will
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'its for security reasons'
[05:55] <thoreauputic> bah
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have no faith in people standing up for themselfs at all
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: watch the letters to the editor - not everyone is a sheep
[06:00] <nalioth> morning all
[06:00] <nikkia> evening nalioth
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[06:00] <nalioth> to each their own
[06:03] <Mars_^> I have a problem cause i wanrt to run game, but it shows info that i dont have right sound drivers. I dont know how to get these drivers. Cause my sound card in on a mainboard produced by gigabyte. Help me if you can and dont show me google. i am using kubuntu 5.4
[06:03] <Mars_^> :)
[06:04] <Mars^_^> ?
[06:04] <Mars^_^> me again
[06:05] <Mars^_^> if anyone can help me
[06:05] <Mars^_^> plaese help
[06:05] <Mars^_^> I have a problem cause i wanrt to run game, but it shows info that i dont have right sound drivers. I dont know how to get these drivers. Cause my sound card in on a mainboard produced by gigabyte. Help me if you can and dont show me google. i am using kubuntu 5.4
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry i cant help :(
[06:11] <Mars__^> ?
[06:30] <ep> You guys recommend the KUDOS unoffical kubuntu FAQ?
[06:33] <slow-motion> bye
[06:42] <ep> Specifically, should I follow the "How to add extra repostories" section of the Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ or is there a better means?
[06:43] <jjesse> what version of kubuntu are u using? if breezy use adept and you can edit the respositories
[06:44] <jjesse> argh updated breezy box today, can't ssh into after update this morning
[06:44] <jjesse> ssh is running
[06:44] <ep> i can't remember what they call it?  Hedgehog or Hoary or Beastmaste?   What's the command line to check?
[06:44] <jjesse> and i can ssh into the ip from the console
[06:44] <jjesse> hoary hedgehog
[06:44] <jjesse> from the k menu you can kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:51] <ep> I'm having some unresolved dependcy issues when I try to install certain packages (i.e. kspy and a bunch of others kde stuff wont install).  I get a nasty message about a "impossible situation" or "unstable distribution"? 
[06:52] <ep> The message is kind of generic. Can you guys help me narrow down the problem?
[06:59] <ArthurB> hey, how come wine isn't in the "multiverse" package list ?
[07:03] <BlankB> arthurb: wine is in universe.
[07:05] <ArthurB> isn't universe smaller than multiverse ?
[07:07] <BlankB> just has to do with what the package is as to which one it ends up in.
[07:13] <ep> kplayer or kaffiene?
[07:15] <ep> The unoffical FAQ states "Kaffeine, is already installed in default Kubuntu 5.04, though the stock version is not very stable."  How do i get the stable version or should I just go with the uncompatable kplayer?
[07:16] <philipacamaniac> ep: are you having trouble using kaffeine?
[07:17] <ep> yes
[07:18] <frank23> ep: the stable kaffeine can be found in the forums... 
[07:18] <Tm_T> ep: and try kmplayer
[07:19] <ep> ok
[07:19] <ep> I'll play around and try em all.  is "kmplayer" a front end for mplayer?
[07:19] <frank23> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/
[07:19] <philipacamaniac> there was an updated kaffeine package at kubuntu.org, but I'm not sure if it is still there.
[07:20] <frank23> ep: this is the kaffeine package I use 
[07:20] <Tm_T> ep: it uses mplayer, xine and gstreamer
[07:20] <ep> ok thanks
[07:20] <ep> Tm_T, you mean kmplayer, right?
[07:21] <Tm_T> ep: yes
[07:22] <BlankB> ep: I have had good luck with the player that frank23 mentioned above.
[07:23] <frank23> ep: breezy is coming out very shortly, why don't you install that instead of hoary?
[07:23] <ep> ok is it compatible with kmplayer, can i try both?
[07:23] <Tm_T> ep: sure
[07:23] <frank23> ep: you can have both.. I use those two: kmplayer (mplayer) and kaffeine (xine)
[07:25] <zyn> be careful with kaffeine... when i installed breezy, it used gstreamer by default, and it just didn't work for mpeg audio/video
[07:25] <zyn> (just an fyi)
[07:25] <ep> frank23, I'll intend too.  I originally installed ubuntu and then "updated" to kubuntu and it didn't go well.  It seems i'm missing stuff.  
[07:25] <ep> i breezy ready now?
[07:26] <frank23> ep: not yet but in a week or so yes
[07:26] <philipacamaniac> Oct 13
[07:26] <philipacamaniac> RC came out today
[07:26] <frank23> so can still install it now and upgrade to the stable version later
[07:27] <ep> I'm thinking of backing up my home directory and doing a clean reinstall.  Maybe this is overkill
[07:27] <philipacamaniac> Does the Adept Updater not live in the system tray?
[07:27] <frank23> ep: the best is to have a separate /home partition that can survive the reinstall
[07:28] <ep> ah actually i do
[07:29] <ep> what about the hidden configuration  files for applicattions and folders.  I don't know if I should keep them around or just redo the whole shabang.
[07:30] <ep> hidden configuration *files and folders I mean.
[07:30] <frank23> I would keep them, and if something doesn't work, delete them, and then all you settings are reset
[07:31] <frank23> gotta go
[07:31] <ep> thanks for the advise
[07:31] <philipacamaniac> Who's been using Adept?
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> What's the point of the Adept Updater? It can't be minimized to the system tray, so it is basically a simplified version of the full adept.
[07:33] <zyn> *shrug*
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> I just want a tray icon, dangit
[07:34] <zyn> i think the interfaces for both are (to put it nicely) worse than a brainfuck
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> oh well.
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> ROFL
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> but, some missing functionality in kynaptic is now available in adept
[07:35] <philipacamaniac> at least, I assume so.
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> Sorry guys
[07:44] <philipacamaniac> damn character limit
[07:46] <pc22> how can i access my kubuntu thru win98
[07:46] <StR> pc22: you can't 
[07:46] <pc22> no?
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> pc22: not directly
[07:46] <pc22> like at least i want to access a folder
[07:46] <StR> what do you mean?  access kubuntu' s files from win98?
[07:47] <libben> thats poss
[07:47] <philipacamaniac> pc22: if you had a shared fat32 drive, both windows and kubuntu could read it
[07:47] <pc22> like i want to access home
[07:47] <libben> just download program that reads the filesystem
[07:48] <StR> libben: yes, but I have problems with those drivers, they crash my ext3 fs
[07:48] <pc22> libben, how
[07:49] <pc22> i have a 4 comps: 1 ubuntu, 1 kubuntu, 1 win99, 1 xp
[07:49] <pc22> networled
[07:49] <pc22> networked
[07:49] <BlankB> "1 win 99" ????
[07:49] <pc22> win98 rather lol
[07:51] <philipacamaniac> pc22: there is an ext3 reader for windows; not sure where it is, but it supposedly works
[07:51] <libben> it does works
[07:51] <libben> cant remember the name thou
[07:52] <BlankB> !explore2fs
[07:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, explore2fs is to get read/write access to your Linux ext2/3 partitions from windows, see http://www.fs-driver.org/
[07:52] <libben> justs google it pc22 
[07:52] <BlankB> was that the one?
[07:52] <libben> havent tried that
[07:52] <libben> but i was going to
[07:52] <libben> i used another program
[07:52] <BlankB> !winext2
[07:52] <ubotu> winext2 is, like, http://www.fs-driver.org/, or http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd
[07:53] <philipacamaniac> that's the one i was thinking - i remember it working
[07:53] <libben> yeah
[07:53] <libben> m2
[07:53] <libben> but i gonna try the fs-driver.org
[07:54] <philipacamaniac> ubotu talks kinda wierd - who programmed those entries! (hehe)
[07:54] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, philipacamaniac
[07:54] <philipacamaniac> doh!
[07:55] <pc22> lol
[07:55] <hon> anything wrong with the repos? I cannot connect
[07:56] <philipacamaniac> i just updated about 5 minutes ago
[07:57] <hon> strange! us.archive.... is not accessible from here
[07:57] <hon> ok let me test my stuff ...
[07:57] <nalioth> anyone familiar with ntfsresize?
[07:57] <Elsidox> Can someone help me install java on breezy?
[07:57] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Elsidox about javadeb
[07:57] <mornfall> philipacamaniac: updater is ... updater -- a simplified version, that is easier to handle... that's about it
[07:57] <Elsidox> nalioth: thanks
[07:58] <mornfall> philipacamaniac: update notifier is TBD
[07:58] <philipacamaniac> mornfall: thanks I understand now
[08:00] <philipacamaniac> I think I'll take a whack at an update notifier
[08:01] <philipacamaniac> I'm not experienced at all, but ya gotta start somewhere
[08:01] <BlankB> philipacamaniac: I started to think about that but didnt get very far. What language will you write it in?
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> well, I want it to be a KDE app, so C++ using kdevelop and such
[08:02] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: developer.kde.org is a good resource
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> ty
[08:03] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: python and ruby are also good KDE languages
[08:04] <philipacamaniac> what's best for a tray-only app?
[08:04] <BlankB> If you do it in python or ruby I would contribute. I have been wanting to learn one of those.
[08:04] <Elsidox> anyone know a good bittorent program for kde?
[08:04] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: C++, python, ruby, javascript, whatever
[08:04] <nalioth> anyone familiar with ntfsresize?
[08:04] <Riddell> Elsidox: ktorrent
[08:04] <BlankB> elsidox: azareus
[08:04] <Elsidox> thanks
[08:05] <Elsidox> i find azureus fatser than ktorrent
[08:05] <Tm_T> BlankB: azureus isn't kde app
[08:05] <BlankB> philipacamaniac: from what I learned when I looked at it before anything can run in systray if it uses dcop.
[08:05] <Elsidox> there is no package for  azureus 
[08:05] <apokryphos> BlankB: it can; you can even have a systray for any window you have open
[08:05] <Tm_T> Elsidox: and azureus is java -> "what? who's eating mymem!?"
[08:06] <Tm_T> Elsidox: so use ktorrent
[08:06] <Elsidox> Tm_T: true that =)
[08:06] <BlankB> I will have to try ktorrent as well.
[08:06] <apokryphos> ...using ksystraycmd that is
[08:06] <Elsidox> hey whats this katapult thing and how do I use it
[08:07] <apokryphos> Elsidox: /msg ubotu katapult
[08:07] <BlankB> which repo is ktorrent in?
[08:07] <Elsidox> apokryphos:  that didnt work =) I wasnt sent anything
[08:07] <apokryphos> BlankB: only in Breezy, though I think there's a repo on their site for it
[08:08] <apokryphos> Elsidox: you not registered? Anyway..
[08:08] <apokryphos> !katapult
[08:08] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[08:08] <apokryphos> BlankB: http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/downloads/1.1/ktorrent_1.1rc1-2_i386.deb
[08:08] <Elsidox> i window comes up that says katapalt
[08:08] <Elsidox> wow
[08:08] <Elsidox> lol
[08:09] <Elsidox> apokryphos: I tryed installing that but I keep getting dependecie issuses
[08:09] <apokryphos> what is it?
[08:09] <philipacamaniac> smooth fade = pretty
[08:10] <Elsidox> philipacamaniac: is that all katapult does?
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> I dunno - i was going to ask the same
[08:10] <apokryphos> Elsidox: er, no; read what ubotu said.
[08:10] <apokryphos> alt+space -> type something
[08:11] <Elsidox> apokryphos: ohh ok cool now i understand
[08:11] <Elsidox> so how do i install the lastest version of ktorrent
[08:11] <Elsidox> I get dependecie erroes when I try
[08:12] <pc22> hello
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> so it's like a run command box with icons
[08:12] <slow-motion> re
[08:12] <apokryphos> Elsidox: you haven't answered the question, so can't really help...
[08:12] <apokryphos> Elsidox: what are they?
[08:12] <apokryphos> hi pc22
[08:12] <Elsidox> apokryphos: sorry I didnt know heh =)
[08:12] <pc22> hey apokryphos how are u
[08:12] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: well, no; run-command does have icons :)
[08:12] <pc22> thanks for the helps
[08:12] <apokryphos> excellent; and yourlsef?
[08:12] <pc22> i have cups already
[08:12] <philipacamaniac> okay, its a run command with 128x128 icons :)
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> and a more interesting autocomplete
[08:13] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: nah; run command can do the big icons too :P
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> holy crap, what's the purpose of it then?
[08:13] <apokryphos> it is a lot cleaner though, yes. :)
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> looks cool, i suppose
[08:13] <Elsidox> apokryphos: kdelibs4 and libqt3c102-mt
[08:13] <apokryphos> autocomplete etc
[08:13] <apokryphos> Elsidox: you're on hoary?
[08:13] <pc22> apokryphos, you have a network?
[08:14] <apokryphos> nope; but I am on one
[08:14] <philipacamaniac> run command does some autocomplete (what you've typed already)
[08:14] <apokryphos> yeah; not good enough :P
[08:14] <Elsidox> apokryphos: breezy
[08:14] <apokryphos> Elsidox: well get it from the breezy repos then
[08:14] <apokryphos> !info ktorrent breezy
[08:14] <ubotu> ktorrent: (BitTorrent client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.0-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 1248 kB
[08:14] <Elsidox> apokryphos: ill try.
[08:15] <pc22> how can i see my other ubuntu computer in the network
[08:15] <Elsidox> can anyone tell me why the font in adept is so hugh compared to everythign eles?
[08:16] <apokryphos> pc22: fish/ssh etc
[08:20] <philipacamaniac> Elsidox: it is running as root - if you open systemsettings as root (kdesu) then you can adjust those font sizes
[08:20] <kikinovak> Hi. Any idea how to turn off info popups in the KDE quick launcher?
[08:20] <mornfall> Elsidox: probably because it runs as root?
[08:20] <mornfall> what philipacamaniac says
[08:20] <philipacamaniac> kikinovak: which ones? the big ones with icons?
[08:20] <Elsidox> philipacamaniac:  I tryed that and the font stayed the same
[08:21] <kikinovak> philipacamaniac: yes
[08:21] <mornfall> Riddell: python *cough* -- ruby is fine, but there are no libapt-front bindings ATM
[08:21] <Elsidox> philipacamaniac: wait i didnt try it with kde su i tryed it withsudo
[08:21] <mornfall> Riddell: being worked on, but... not there yet
[08:21] <mornfall> Riddell: (read: swig is a bitch)
[08:21] <Elsidox> philipacamaniac: THANKS!
[08:22] <Elsidox> well im out
[08:22] <Elsidox> peace
[08:22] <philipacamaniac> kikinovak: right click panel, configure panel, appearence tab, UNCHECK "enable icon mouseover effects"
[08:22] <kikinovak> philipacamaniac: the ones that pop up when you move the cursor over a quick launcher icon (KDE >= 3.4.0)
[08:23] <philipacamaniac> kikinovak: yes, go the Configure Panel dialog and uncheck the box I mentioned
[08:24] <kikinovak> philipacamaniac: thanks very much. Problem was due to a bad translation in French.
[08:24] <philipacamaniac> i see, sorry
[08:26] <kikinovak> philipacamaniac: I suppose if you saw a checkbox called something like "Ferbotten uncheckgefinggerpocken blink? (Y/N)", you would have no idea what it means...
[08:26] <kikinovak> philipacamaniac: exaggerating of course
[08:26] <philipacamaniac> lol.
[08:26] <kikinovak> anyway... thanks. Ciao.
[08:26] <gsuveg> breezy come with 3.4.1 ?
[08:27] <philipacamaniac> 3.4.2
[08:27] <gsuveg> yes. sry
[08:27] <gsuveg> now run the dist-upgrade
[08:27] <gsuveg> i dont need fear ?
[08:27] <frank23> !skype
[08:27] <ubotu> I heard skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[08:28] <philipacamaniac> gsuveg: you can safely dist-upgrade
[08:28] <gsuveg> philipacamaniac: i think ;)
[08:29] <gsuveg> or hope
[08:29] <gsuveg> 1h48m
[08:32] <hapo> are there any kubuntu.org webmasters present here?
[08:33] <philipacamaniac> hapo: I believe Riddell handles the website, but he can correct me if I'm wrong
[08:34] <hapo> ok
[08:34] <hapo> Riddell: are you there?
[08:34] <Riddell> hapo: hi
[08:35] <hapo> Riddell: are you in charge for the website?
[08:35] <Riddell> I am
[08:35] <hapo> nice :)
[08:35] <hapo> could it be possible to have the finnish kubuntu IRC channel listed?
[08:35] <Riddell> hapo: certainly would
[08:35] <hapo> you rock.
[08:35] <Riddell> hapo: where is it?
[08:35] <hapo> #kubuntu.fi @ ircnet
[08:36] <hapo> I founded it because #ubuntu.fi was too gnome-centric
[08:36] <Riddell> hapo: any reason it's there and not freenode?
[08:36] <hapo> ircnet is very popular in finland, and well, also #ubuntu.fi is on ircnet
[08:36] <Riddell> hapo: what's an ircnet server?
[08:37] <hapo> http://www.ircnet.com/
[08:37] <hapo> however, we _can_ move the channel to freenode
[08:37] <Riddell> IRC server?
[08:37] <hapo> if kubuntu devs wish us to do so :)
[08:37] <hapo> the website lists the servers in that network
[08:37] <Riddell> it would be nice to follow the pattern of other similar channels (#kubuntu-xx) but it's probably more important to follow the norms for the country
[08:37] <hapo> ircnet is very isp centric so you can only use the server nearest your location
[08:40] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: where's your kubuntu RC announcement on the dot?
[08:41] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: I'm taking the opportunity to tidy up the website somewhat
[08:41] <philipacamaniac> ah
[08:41] <Riddell> also I doubt it's on all the mirrors yet
[08:42] <philipacamaniac> i can check
[08:43] <philipacamaniac> yeah, France at the very least is still not updated
[08:44] <ivanoats> hey folks, has anyone got smssend working in kopete with verizon, or know how to add new providers to the list? or should I be looking for a #kopete channel
[08:45] <philipacamaniac> #kopete would be your best option, i'm sure
[08:45] <ivanoats> ok thanks, found it
[08:47] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: are you updating the Documentation page?
[08:47] <ep> The stable kaffeine installed great.  I'd like to try kmplayer as well, doesn't seem to be apt-gettable.  Do I need a deb file?
[08:47] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: only to say "new docs next week"
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> :)
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> that'll do
[08:48] <dipnlik> hi all. aterm is not in the ubuntu repositories, any good reason for that? any substitutes?
[08:48] <philipacamaniac> xterm, konsole
[08:49] <ep> ah might need to compile this
[08:50] <dipnlik> philipacamaniac: how do I change xterm's font?
[08:50] <philipacamaniac> I don't know - but I could tell you how to change Konsole's font
[08:51] <philipacamaniac> oh, btw, aterm is in universe
[08:51] <dipnlik> hm. i'm trying to avoid konsole actually
[08:51] <dipnlik> universe?
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> !universe
[08:52] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> !repositories
[08:52] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[08:52] <philipacamaniac> click the Howto
[08:54] <dipnlik> philipacamaniac: thanks a lot
[08:54] <Riddell> mornfall: adept is going to be top of the announcement
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> damn I just noticed something about katapult - it uses the Kmenu names, not the actual /usr/bin exec name
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> meaning, if I changed KPDF to PDF Reader (because I like it that way, so there). I have to type PDF Reader into katapult
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> strange, but i almost like it that way
[08:59] <mornfall> oh oh
[08:59] <mornfall> my
[08:59] <mornfall> hmm
[09:00] <phoenixbyrd> SPOOOON!
[09:03] <mornfall> there is no spoon
[09:03] <mornfall> and soap is in the fridge
[09:08] <tomasz> Hiya .. I just installed Kubuntu on my pc .. Im wondering why I cannot see my other partitions
[09:08] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: did you install hoary 5.04 or breezy 5.10?
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> hoary didn't have an automount feature for harddisks; you had to edit /etc/fstab to have them mounted manually
[09:09] <tomasz> philipacamaniac: i just started with all this .. I started my uni course about linux so i didnt install nothing yet why ?
[09:09] <Tm_T> laser_tk: jumpy ride?
[09:10] <laser_tk> yup
[09:10] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: sorry, what version of kubuntu are you running?
[09:10] <tomasz> 5.04
[09:10] <laser_tk> Tm_T: elm on :D
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> okay - 5.04 doesn't automount hard drives - you must mount them and/or add entries into /etc/fstab
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> also - is the hard drive in question a Windows XP drive?
[09:11] <Tm_T> laser_tk: joo'o ;)
[09:11] <tomasz> thats what I understood by looking around but I have no idea how to do it im afraid :(
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> hold on
[09:11] <philipacamaniac> !fstab
[09:11] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, philipacamaniac
[09:11] <tomasz> nah its just my data hard drive with all my files in it
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> there's no good wiki page on the subject, good grief
[09:14] <tomasz> Im sooo used to windows by now .. its a shame but I cannot find myself under linux :p
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> it isn't difficult - it just requires instructions to lengthy to post in here
[09:15] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: you'll get used to it if you use linux long enough
[09:15] <tomasz> yeah hopefully coz i think its a good thing ... but i need to mount my hard drive first :)
[09:15] <Tm_T> tomasz: first, read your present fstab file, man fstab & man mount ;)
[09:15] <Tm_T> it isn't hard at all
[09:15] <tomasz> yeah im doing it just now Tm_T
[09:15] <tomasz> :)
[09:16] <Tm_T> good :)
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> I don't like sending noobs to man pages - there just so overbearing and scary
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> :)
[09:18] <StR> can anyone here help me configure my keyboard?
[09:19] <StR> I cannot choose 2 active layauts for the same language
[09:20] <Tm_T> philipacamaniac: heh, I started with netBSD ... and that's scary!
[09:27] <philipacamaniac> does anyone use gplflash/gplflash2 instead of macromedia's player?
[09:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:32] <philipacamaniac> as in libflash0c2 rather than flashplugin-nonfree
[09:34] <Juerd> I have tried it several times
[09:35] <Juerd> Again and again it has been disappointing. I understand why, but it's just not usable enough for me.
[09:36] <tomasz> see what should I do when if I try to mount I get a "Only root can do that" ??
[09:36] <philipacamaniac> Juerd: that's what I needed to here. I would prefer using free over nonfree, but I prefer working verses nonworking. :)
[09:37] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: you must use sudo. for anything that would need to be done by an "administrator" on windows, you must type "sudo" before that command.
[09:37] <tomasz> oh ok :)
[09:37] <tomasz> thanks philipacamaniac
[09:38] <philipacamaniac> it's the "SUperuser, DO this" command
[09:39] <philipacamaniac> even though I pronounce it pseudo :)
[09:39] <tomasz> even a floppy need a system type to mount it ?
[09:43] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: um - I think floppies are mounted when you click on them in Konqueror (go to media:/ )
[09:44] <tomasz> ive already tried the problem is that my floppy is not :(
[09:45] <tomasz> philipacamaniac: my bad its cool for the floppy but i still have problems with my hdd
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> yeah, floppy and cdrom mounting are auto (thank God!)
[09:45] <tomasz> im trying to do : sudo mount dev/hda7 mnt/hda7
[09:45] <tomasz> but it doesnt work 
[09:46] <philipacamaniac> okay well first off you need /dev/hda7 and you need /mnt/hda7
[09:46] <philipacamaniac> forward slash before both
[09:46] <tomasz> yeah for a start :)
[09:47] <philipacamaniac> secondly, is there a /mnt/hda7 ? You have to mkdir /mnt/hda7 one time so there is a folder there for the drive to be mounted into.
[09:47] <tomasz> yeah thats what i just found out
[09:47] <_thomas> Hi all together ! It#s my first time here to see what's going on !
[09:48] <_thomas> Go ahead, I dont like to interrupt you !
[09:49] <philipacamaniac> _thomas: it's an open channel. speak whenever you want. :)
[09:50] <zyn> hmmm
[09:50] <_thomas> Thanks ! but I like to leave this with you for the moment, My Kubuntu is up and running 1
[09:50] <tomasz> The process for the media protocol died unexpectedly.
[09:50] <tomasz> god im dying
[09:50] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: i've seen that error before - haven't tracked it down, but don't worry
[09:51] <_thomas> See you all, when ever later on ! buy !
[09:51] <zyn> it is just me, or does ubuntu lack all of the postscript docs normally distributed with X11?
[09:51] <tomasz> philipacamaniac: yeah well is there any chance i'll mount my hard drive at some point then or its just doin whatever it wantsto ?
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: it won't do it automatically. you've got to just put in the right command.
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: try "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda7 /mnt/hda7"
[09:53] <MarcC> Just dist-upgraded to ubuntu breezy, now I can't install kubuntu because of ksysguard's version...is there a fix for this?
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: that's assuming you're trying to access a Windows drive which is NTFS formatted
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> MarcC: what does "sudo apt-cache policy ksysguard" give you?
[09:55] <tomasz> philipacamaniac: Yeah well all my files are actually on a NTFS system .. if im truing to execute your command it says that its already mounted
[09:55] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: oh good
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: "cd /mnt/hda7"
[09:56] <tomasz> yeah but i still cant see it in media
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> forget media:/ it is often retarded.
[09:56] <MarcC> dang...what is the gnome terminal command?
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> (apologies to mentally disabled folks in the channel)
[09:57] <tomasz> command not found ?
[09:58] <MarcC> philipacamaniac, ksysguard:
[09:58] <MarcC>   Installed: (none)
[09:58] <MarcC>   Candidate: 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu5
[09:58] <MarcC>   Version table:
[09:58] <MarcC>      4:3.4.91-0ubuntu0hoary1 0
[09:58] <MarcC>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[09:58] <MarcC>      4:3.4.2-0ubuntu5 0
[09:58] <MarcC>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[09:58] <philipacamaniac> MarcC: next time use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com   :)
[09:58] <MarcC> ooops, sorry XD
[09:58] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[09:59] <tomasz> if im only using cd /mnt/hda7 it says access denied
[09:59] <tomasz> so i tried with sudo but then it says command not found
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> MarcC: pastebin the apt-get error when you try to install
[09:59] <MarcC> ok, thanks just a moment
[10:00] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: "sudo cd /mnt/hda7" didn't work?
[10:00] <huhmz> hey guys, where do i change window focusing in kde i cant for the life of me find it?
[10:00] <tomasz> no .. thats the problem .. it says command not found :/
[10:01] <MarcC> philipacamaniac, I posted it at pastebin (not sure how to use it beyond that)
[10:01] <huhmz> philipacamaniac: "cd" is not a program it is built into the shell
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> tomasz: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs  hooray!
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> huhmz: yeah that's a good point
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> MarcC: that's strange
[10:03] <MarcC> philipacamaniac, I saw mention of the error here:
[10:03] <MarcC> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=61531&highlight=ksysguard
[10:03] <MarcC> sadly, no solution was posted :(
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> hold on
[10:04] <tomasz> philipacamaniac : Hurraaaayyyyyy
[10:05] <tomasz> thanks a lot .. the instruction was much more complicated than expected !
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> MarcC: well since it appeared to eventually work, maybe try "sudo apt-get update" one more time and then try installing again
[10:05] <philipacamaniac> if not, I'll poke a developer
[10:07] <dipnlik> hi all. how do I enable tabs on kate?
[10:07] <tomasz> thaxsnk a lot ill see u around
[10:08] <MarcC> philipacamaniac, thanks, I'll keep trying that.
[10:10] <huhmz> ok what has happened to the save file dialog in firefox?
[10:11] <huhmz> they changed it again in gtk?
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> dipnlik: you have to install kate-plugins
[10:12] <dipnlik> philipacamaniac: thanks, will try it
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> huhmz: yeah, it doesn't even it look a standard Gnome box anymore
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> I can't stand the way Firefox looks in KDE, so I'm forced to use Konqueror. I would prefer Konqueror with a Gecko (Firefox) rendering engine.
[10:14] <dipnlik> philipacamaniac: installed kate-plugins, now what? (sorry for the newbie question)
[10:14] <dipnlik> reopened kate, opened 2 files, still no tabs
[10:15] <libben> I accidentlay did this on my folder sudo chmod -x -R DCIM/  
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> dipnlik: Settings -> Configure Kate
[10:15] <libben> and now i cant browse that folder
[10:16] <libben> what should i do?
[10:16] <huhmz> philipacamaniac: does konq have equivilents to flashblock and adblock?
[10:16] <phoenixbyrd> libben: cry?
[10:16] <libben> not really
[10:16] <huhmz> cause there's really no way im using the web without those
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> dipnlik: Plugins -> TabBar Extention
[10:16] <philipacamaniac> huhmz: Konqueror 3.5 has adblock/flashblock and works with Gmail
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> not that I'm using 3.5 yet or anything
[10:17] <libben> so what should i do?
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> phoenixbyrd: heh
[10:19] <libben> anyone ?
[10:19] <philipacamaniac> sudo chmod 777 DCIM/
[10:20] <huhmz> chmod +x DCIM
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> or that I suppose
[10:20] <huhmz> 777 is probably not a masterstroke
[10:27] <dipnlik> how do I make a samba shared folder from another machine mount automatically?
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> dipnlik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[10:35] <dipnlik> philipacamaniac: thanks a lot!
[10:38] <slow-motion> n8
[10:47] <hapo> dkk
[10:50] <Floker> yo
[10:51] <frank23> !nosound
[10:51] <ubotu> frank23: What?
[10:51] <frank23> !sound
[10:51] <ubotu> well, sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/, or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[10:56] <_marco> hi all
[10:56] <_alexis> hi
[11:41] <spiral> Riddell: did you find where the problem was with amaroK 1.3.2 not 2;1.3.2 ?
[11:41] <Riddell> spiral: bad packaging I presume, no time just now I'm afraid
[11:42] <spiral> Riddell: all right, is there a way I can rebuild it myself ?
[11:42] <Riddell> spiral: grab the .orig, .diff, .dsc  dpkg-source -x *dsc  cd amarok-1.3.2, debuild
[11:42] <Riddell> fix debian/changelog before building
[11:42] <dan> Please help - I installed kubuntu preview over 5.10 but my panel and desktop are still gnome/ubuntu.  How do I change them to KDE?
[11:43] <spiral> Riddell: could you please tell me the adress again ?
[11:43] <Blissex> dan: thats very unlikely...
[11:43] <Blissex> dan: you probably are still logging into GNOME.
[11:43] <Riddell> spiral: kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok
[11:43] <dan> hmmmm, let me make sure of that.  Thanks.
[11:43] <Blissex> dan: when you login there should be  a menu to select the sessions type, make sure KDE is selected.
[11:43] <spiral> Riddell: thanks
[11:44] <dan> Blissex:  Will go try.  Thanks.