[12:03] <lucas> where can I find the monthly MOTU reports ?
[12:03] <dholbach> lucas: they were sent to the mailing lists, they should be in the archives
[12:03] <lucas> ok
[12:03] <Nafallo> are the archives fixed? :-)
[12:03] <dholbach> ajmitch: we should put the links to them on a wiki/MOTUReport page, shouldnt we?
[12:03] <lucas> shouldn't they be copied to the wiki for history ?
[12:03] <ajmitch> lucas: they were just a report of what we got up to in the last months
[12:03] <dholbach> lucas: google for "motu report"
[12:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: yes
[12:04] <dholbach> lucas: some even hit LWN
[12:04] <lucas> ok
[12:04] <dholbach> ajmitch: you're kidding... what about tales about your recent karma addiction?
[12:04] <dholbach> :)
[12:05] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:05] <ajmitch> meh, that's nothing
[12:05] <whiprush> We can put them on the fridge now!
[12:05] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:05] <dholbach> FRIDGE
[12:05] <dholbach> :)
[12:05] <Nafallo> anyone else updated a system running hoary postgresql? ;-)
[12:05] <dholbach> Nafallo: i can tell you, who you can bug with bugs :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> by 'queu' I mean a screen window for each :)
[12:06] <Nafallo> I'm trying to figure out if it's mine or pitti's fault my database got prunned :-P
[12:06] <ajmitch> Nafallo: probably your fault ;O)
[12:06] <Nafallo> baah, Mithrandir just said the opposite :-P
[12:06] <ajmitch> did you purge postgresql?
[12:07] <ajmitch> or did the db suddenly disappear
[12:07] <ajmitch> dholbach: shall I aim for 100 fixed by release then?
[12:07] <dholbach> ajmitch: yes, 100 desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com bugs, kthxbye
[12:07] <Nafallo> I updated it :-)
[12:07] <dholbach> :)
[12:08] <Nafallo> apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:08] <Nafallo> _then_ my webapp couldn't log in to the database ;-)
[12:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: hah
[12:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: I did the crazy thing & subscribed there
[12:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: that was only the 1st step :)
[12:09] <ajmitch> 100 bugs fixed there by release? hm
[12:10] <dholbach> will be more of a wrestle with matt/kamion to get upload approval for each fix *100 times :)
[12:12] <ajmitch> sure
[12:12] <ajmitch> 'oh, let's sync this' 'NO'
[12:14] <ajmitch> mm, nice regressions there in some of those bugs
[12:14] <dholbach> which ones?
[12:15] <ajmitch> sound-juicer now segfaulting on preferences
[12:15] <ajmitch> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17066
[12:15] <ajmitch> upstream bug
[12:15] <dholbach> *cry*
[12:16] <ajmitch> don't worry, you've still got a few days to get a fix in ;)
[12:16] <dholbach> thank you :)
[12:16] <ajmitch> and even gparted bugs
[12:17] <dholbach> yeah, working on them, will upload a fix after RC
[12:17] <dholbach> upstream got it done in cvs
[12:17] <ajmitch> ooh, 17101 can be closed
[12:18] <ajmitch> but 17104 needs fixed asap
[12:19] <dholbach> anybody in here noticted GDM SLOWNESS recently?
[12:22] <whiprush> dholbach: you mean when it shows up?
[12:23] <whiprush> like, in chunks?
[12:23] <dholbach> whiprush: yes, taking around 2-3 seconds longer
[12:23] <whiprush> yeah
[12:23] <dholbach> whiprush: seb128 needs somebody to test a patch
[12:23] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:24] <whiprush> dholbach: can't until tomorrow. :-/
[12:24] <whiprush> but maybe I can find someone
[12:24] <StoneTable> whiprush:  you need that patch?
[12:24] <whiprush> StoneTable: that bddebian guy is working on it
[12:24] <whiprush> lemme find his mail
[12:25] <dholbach> whiprush: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/libgnomecanvas/
[12:25] <whiprush> StoneTable: bddebian@bddebian.com, can you mail it to him?
[12:25] <whiprush> dholbach: okey
[12:25] <dholbach> ROCK
[12:25] <dholbach> :)
[12:25] <whiprush> bug #?
[12:25] <StoneTable> sure. There were two patches.  I'll send him both.  is he expecting them?
[12:26] <whiprush> StoneTable: yeah
[12:27] <StoneTable> sent
[12:27] <StoneTable> cc'd you on it
[12:32] <dholbach> ajmitch: how you like that version of MOTUReportDraft
[12:32] <dholbach> ajmitch: it needs love, but it's a start :)
[12:32] <dholbach> oooh, it will be the 8th
[12:33] <dholbach> and i forgot the new motus
[12:33] <dholbach> who adds?
[12:36] <ajmitch> dholbach: let me look
[12:37] <ajmitch> no need to write it as a 'karma addiction'
[12:37] <dholbach> maybe add a link to the meeting minutes?
[12:37] <dholbach> hm, lucas left
[12:37] <dholbach> :)
[12:38] <ajmitch> 'what was most to YOU' ?
[12:38] <ajmitch> missing important, right?
[12:38] <sistpoty> erm... should motuminutes go to -user as well? (i sent them to -devel only last time)
[12:39] <ajmitch> motu minutes are generally -devel
[12:39] <ajmitch> motu report goes to both
[12:39] <sistpoty> ah... now i see the difference... should look before writing *g*
[12:39] <ajmitch> "The last have been quite hectic" ?
[12:39] <ajmitch> the last month has been..?
[12:39] <ajmitch> last weeks?
[12:42] <dholbach> ajmitch: just to inform the world of what we talk all day :)
[12:42] <dholbach> ajmitch: yes, weeks :)
[12:42] <ajmitch> dholbach: see report now
[12:43] <ajmitch> well once it's saved..
[12:43] <ajmitch> ok, now look ;)
[12:43] <dholbach> yeah, i'll wait half an hour :)
[12:43] <sistpoty> looks good :)
[12:43] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReport is up now too
[12:44] <zyga> dholbach: don't you ever sleep, no really?
[12:44] <Mithrandir> zyga: he sleeps between 23:59 and 00:00
[12:45] <ajmitch> oh no
[12:45] <ajmitch> I thought that libghc6-cabal-dev package was removed?
[12:45] <ajmitch> phpmyadmin ftbfs on the buildd because yada won't install
[12:46] <sistpoty> libghc6-cabal-dev should be removed, if it isn't ... iirc slomo did the request
[12:46] <ajmitch> yes, I know
[12:47] <dholbach> no ajmitch mentioned?
[12:47] <dholbach> not really... i wished i was a bit more productive
[12:48] <ajmitch> no, ajmitch isn't mentioned
[12:48] <tseng> if you sort malone bugs asscending, Wishlist is first
[12:48] <tseng> the other way
[12:48] <tseng> Low is first
[12:49] <tseng> very useful
[12:49] <sistpoty> ajmitch: cabal package config files have changed... i'm just fiddling with exactly this for hat
[12:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yada is main?
[12:50] <ajmitch> yes
[12:50] <ajmitch> otherwise I would have got a sync
[12:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: if yada is cabalized, a mere rebuild might do the trick... though i haven't gone through that cabal stuff altogether yet
[12:51] <ajmitch> so I'm not sure where the ghc6-cabal dep is coming from
[12:52] <ajmitch> could be a dodgy chroot setup
[12:52] <tseng> i built phpmyadmin at work today on amd64
[12:52] <tseng> w/o issue
[12:52] <ajmitch> I built it on my box as well before I uploaded
[12:52] <ajmitch> since I don't upload stuff I haven't built :)
[12:52] <dholbach> everybody: MOTUReportDraft
[12:53] <lamont__> hrm.. I wonder if ghc6 will successfully bootstrap on ia64 now
[12:53] <ajmitch> lamont__: do you know why it's trying to setup on the buildd?
[12:54] <ajmitch> when nothing should depend on it in this package?
[12:54] <sistpoty> lamont__: ghc5 should be morgued... i already wrote elmo a mail
[12:57] <ajmitch> lamont__: right, just read build log, libghc6-cabal-dev was not pulled in, but was already half-installed (phpmyadmin build log, building on vernadsky)
[12:58] <lamont__> grumble
[12:58] <lamont__> so fix it so it successfully removes too
[12:59] <ajmitch> we've already tried & did a workaround a few weeks ago
[01:00] <sistpoty> lamont__: there should be only one ghc-pkg command in prerm/postinst... it's safe to manually remove this command and prerm/postinst should be fine
[01:00] <Kyral> Hey any MOTUs feel like sponsoring a new package to the Universe?
[01:00] <ajmitch> by the look of all the failed packages, it's affected a *lot*
[01:00] <ajmitch> Kyral: you've put it on revu, and MOTUs have checked over it & advocated it?
[01:01] <Kyral> Not yet, I dunno what I have to do ;P
[01:01] <Kyral> I literally just built the thing
[01:02] <ajmitch> sistpoty: want to guide him through that?
[01:02] <ajmitch> I have to run out
[01:02] <dholbach> ok, who proofreads the report again? :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> not me
[01:02] <ajmitch> I see you've readded somethign about me :P
[01:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: no problem ;)
[01:06] <blueyed> AFAICS the package scponly should be bumped to 4.1, because of security fixes, for breezy. 4.1 is in debian testing. Should I file it into Malone?
[01:07] <sistpoty> dholbach: shall i correct spelling mistakes or rather tell them you here?
[01:08] <Kyral> I know I am allowed to upload to REVU, but I am not sure how to do it
[01:08] <dholbach> sistpoty: do whatevery you want... it's a WIKI thing... and i highly appreciate you taking action there
[01:08] <sistpoty> dholbach: ok
[01:08] <sistpoty> Kyral: there's a howto in the wiki REVU
[01:08] <Kyral> Okay
[01:11] <Kyral> THat don't look right...
[01:11] <Kyral> I don't think it uploaded...
[01:11] <sistpoty> dholbach: looks fine... however iirc bddebian was motu when the last issue came out already? wouldn't it sound weird to welcome him again?
[01:12] <dholbach> oh
[01:12] <dholbach> yes
[01:12] <dholbach> well
[01:12] <dholbach> then
[01:12] <Kyral> I'll deal with this later
[01:12] <sistpoty> dholbach: plz check, my memory isn't that good ;)
[01:12] <dholbach> ... mention BddebianIsGod instead :-p
[01:12] <sistpoty> yep
[01:14] <TMM> meh, everytime I find a good app I want to package, it's already packaged ;)
[01:14] <TMM> I'll never get any packages in like this :P
[01:15] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:15] <dholbach> TMM: UniverseCandidates on the wiki might help you
[01:15] <dholbach> that's what users want
[01:15] <TMM> OK
[01:16] <TMM> what do I do with a package once I think it's good enough? I didn't quite get that from the wiki
[01:16] <StoneTable> I have one you can package ;)
[01:17] <sistpoty> TMM: get it reviewed... probably revu is a good place for this ;)
[01:17] <TMM> revu?
[01:17] <Cashel> Hello,  I cant seem to find a apache2 version of libapache-mod-ssl .. do I have to install the old apache common stuff to get ssl or is this missing? (or am I dumb?)
[01:17] <sistpoty> TMM: http://revu.tauware.de... see REVU entry in the wiki as well
[01:17] <StoneTable> Does an app have to be packaged in debian to get it into universe?
[01:18] <TMM> ahhhhh :)
[01:18] <tseng> its prefered, but no
[01:18] <TMM> sistpoty, sorry :)
[01:18] <sistpoty> TMM: np ;)
[01:18] <TMM> sistpoty, would that be my launchpad pass it asks for?
[01:18] <StoneTable> alright.  I need to get someone to package and/or submit my naut extension then
[01:18] <sistpoty> TMM: no, it's a bit more difficult...
[01:19] <TMM> sistpoty, this is going to suck, right?
[01:19] <sistpoty> TMM: erm... if you have a signed key, I can add you an account quite fast ;)
[01:20] <TMM> sistpoty, what kind of key would that be? my ssh public key?
[01:20] <sistpoty> TMM: gnupg, with which you sign mails
[01:21] <TMM> sistpoty, which I don't, but I should anyway...
[01:21] <TMM> I'll be making keys, just a sec, I 'intended' to do it anyway
[01:21] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:22] <blueyed> Is anybody willing to sync scponly? Or will it automatically get synched before release? Could I help with it (not being a MOTU)?
[01:22] <dholbach> blueyed: no, AFTER release will be autosyncs
[01:22] <dholbach> blueyed: before release we need good reasons to request (manually) - because we don't want to break stuff
[01:23] <dholbach> blueyed: that's not a general no
[01:24] <blueyed> dholbach: sure. Here is a changelog of upstream: http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ - which fixes security issues (+svn).
[01:24] <dholbach> security issues should be fine
[01:24] <dholbach> we have to make sure it builds and works in breezy
[01:24] <dholbach> (and that dependant programs (if any) work fine too)
[01:26] <blueyed> of course. Who would make the merge/testing?
[01:26] <dholbach> hehe, you :)
[01:26] <dholbach> sistpoty: me too
[01:26] <blueyed> It might be nice to have some kind of unit testing for different packages that have to pass before upload. Is something like this used/considered?
[01:26] <TMM> perhaps, a 4k keysize was a tad exaggerated
[01:26] <grayman> erm what was the problem with time syncs on boot? is it because eth came up to late?
[01:26] <TMM> this is taking forever :)
[01:27] <blueyed> dholbach: I'll take a look at the procedure tomorrow.. night.
[01:27] <dholbach> blueyed: thanks for being here and doing that work :)
[01:27] <dholbach> sistpoty: i didnt hear the word 'fag' for ages :)
[01:28] <TMM> pretty cool program on national geographic here in .nl
[01:28] <TMM> blocks of alluminium of 15 tonns made out of sodacans :)
[01:28] <TMM> pretty nifty
[01:29] <TMM> they make cans out of it again too :P
[01:32] <TMM> sistpoty, ok, I've got a key :)
[01:34] <sistpoty> TMM: export it to a keyserver (imo gpg --send-key yourkeyid)
[01:35] <sistpoty> TMM: then send a signed mail to keyring@revu.tauware.de, stating that you wish to be added to the keyring
[01:35] <TMM> what keyserver should I use?
[01:36] <sistpoty> TMM: use the default one ;) iirc they are synced among each others
[01:36] <dholbach> ok, will send the MOTUReport tomorrow - please REVIEW and CHANGE accordingly
[01:36] <dholbach> thanks
[01:36] <dholbach> i will now go to bed, have a nice evning
[01:36] <ogra_> night dholbach
[01:36] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[01:37] <hubW> is there a good way to bootstrap a package for CDBS
[01:37] <hubW> like dh_make but cleaner
[01:37] <hubW> ?
[01:37] <sistpoty> hubW: what do you mean with bootstrap?
[01:38] <hubW> dh_make
[01:38] <dholbach> hubW: looking at packages on REVU should make it easy
[01:38] <hubW> dholbach: I was more thinking of a tool
[01:38] <hubW> :-)
[01:38] <TMM> sistpoty, there doesn't seem to be a default one...
[01:38] <dholbach> hubW: or https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[01:38] <dholbach> hubW: or /usr/share/doc/cdbs/examples :)
[01:39] <hubW> I have that doc
[01:39] <hubW> nevermind
[01:39] <sistpoty> TMM: i use "keyserver x-hkp://subkeys.pgp.net"
[01:39] <TMM> I just found it in the manpage
[01:41] <TMM> ok, mail send
[01:42] <TMM> signed and all :)
[01:43] <sistpoty> TMM: not here yet... probably will go around some corners ;)
[01:43] <TMM> my mailserver isn't all that great
[01:46] <grayman> hmmm
[01:46] <grayman> isnt gpg have a locale?
[01:47] <grayman> or it wasnt included?
[01:47] <TMM> it's gnu software, you'd think it uses gettext
[01:48] <grayman> well it was translated for hoary as i see in rosetta
[01:49] <grayman> but its english in breezy
[01:49] <TMM> everything is english in my breezy ;)
[01:49] <grayman> hah
[01:49] <grayman> thats only you ;)
[01:50] <TMM> sistpoty, there yet?
[01:50] <grayman> also that last app in internet menu is screwed
[01:51] <TMM> Xchat?
[01:51] <grayman> no
[01:51] <grayman> i dont even know what is it
[01:51] <TMM> start it :)
[01:51] <grayman> because the fonts screwed
[01:52] <grayman> ah
[01:52] <grayman> tsclient
[01:52] <TMM> I wouldn't know... :(
[01:52] <sistpoty> TMM: not yet... probably my the mailserver of my university sucks again (it almost always has extreme lags)
[01:52] <TMM> what locale do you use?
[01:52] <TMM> sistpoty, 'extreme'? :)
[01:53] <grayman> russian
[01:53] <TMM> grayman, I can't help you there then, my russian isn't quite up to speed :)
[01:53] <grayman> heh
[01:53] <grayman> it just sits there and looks ugly
[01:53] <sistpoty> TMM: from 10mins to 2-3h
[01:53] <TMM> sistpoty, d*mn
[01:54] <TMM> sistpoty, what are you going to do anyway? what will I have to do?
[01:54] <grayman> i guess that i can try and fix it
[01:54] <TMM> grayman, with russian letters, I'd say it ALL looks ugly ;)
[01:55] <sistpoty> TMM: I will add you to the keyring of revu and create an account on revu. then you can upload to revu via dput
[01:55] <grayman> TMM, now lets not start
[01:55] <TMM> grayman, that was just a joke :)
[01:55] <TMM> sistpoty, dput?
[01:55] <grayman> i know ;)
[01:56] <sistpoty> TMM: uploads debian packages to a server, explained on the REVU wiki-page
[01:56] <TMM> ok
[01:56] <TMM> I'll shut up now
[01:57] <TMM> and just read
[01:57] <TMM> :)
[01:57] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:57] <sistpoty> TMM: once you are a motu, uploading is pretty much done the same way, so consider this as motu-training ;)
[01:58] <TMM> OK, I will
[01:58] <grayman> so who is responsible for locales?
[01:58] <grayman> or fonts
[01:59] <sistpoty> grayman: sorry, no idea
[02:00] <xerxas> hi
[02:00] <sistpoty> hi xerxas
[02:00] <xerxas> does breezy uses a font server ?
[02:00] <crimsun> no
[02:00] <grayman> meh
[02:00] <xerxas> crimsun, are you sure ?
[02:00] <crimsun> no Ubuntu releases have by default. Yes.
[02:01] <xerxas> crimsun, my xorg.conf have a font server line
[02:01] <xerxas> I didn't reinstalled xorg for long
[02:01] <crimsun> mine doesn't have one
[02:01] <xerxas> ok
[02:01] <xerxas> so I can safely remove it
[02:01] <crimsun> I've done dist-upgrades from Warty and Hoary as well as a clean Breezy install
[02:02] <xerxas> I use a colony 3 updated system
[02:02] <grayman> hrm
[02:03] <grayman> could they possibly foget to include a font?
[02:03] <TMM> sistpoty, ok, packaging stuff now :) I'll be awaiting your mail :)
[02:03] <xerxas> grayman, ?
[02:03] <crimsun> did you run dexconf ever?
[02:04] <xerxas> crimsun, don't think so
[02:04] <crimsun> the default should not ever put in a font server line
[02:04] <grayman> xerxas, looks like tsclients russian locale on clean breezy gives nonsense
[02:05] <grayman> and
[02:05] <xerxas> grayman, ahh , you're speaking about something else, sorry , didn't got it
[02:05] <grayman> yeah
[02:05] <grayman> and in rosetta i see the same nonesense in tsclient translation
[02:06] <grayman> is it something that should go to dev?
[02:17] <sistpoty> wb ajmitch
[02:20] <ajmitch> sistpoty: MOTU report not sent out yet, I hope?
[02:21] <sistpoty> ajmitch: no... dholbach said he would do it tomorrow
[02:21] <whiprush> crimsun: so yeah, your buddies seemed pretty cool. Didn't have enough time to talk to them though.
[02:21] <ajmitch> ok, last change introduced a spelling mistake in the first line ;)
[02:21] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:21] <ajmitch> dict eigth
[02:21] <ajmitch> No definitions found for "eigth", perhaps you mean:
[02:21] <ajmitch> gcide:  Eigh  Eight  Eighth
[02:21] <ajmitch> ;)
[02:22] <whiprush> ajmitch: ooh I'm ready to Fridge you.
[02:22] <sistpoty> TMM: sorry, i gave you the wrong email-adress: it should be tiber@tauware.de
[02:22] <ajmitch> whiprush: fridge me?
[02:22] <sistpoty> TMM: wrong again ;)
[02:22] <sistpoty> TMM: keyring@tiber.tauware.de
[02:22] <ajmitch> I hope that's not a euphemism for dropping a fridge on me
[02:22] <whiprush> heh
[02:23] <whiprush> no, you're status report I mean
[02:23] <ajmitch> not my report
[02:23] <ajmitch> the MOTU team's report
[02:23] <whiprush> yes. :D
[02:25] <TMM> sistpoty, ok :)
[02:26] <TMM> sistpoty, send again :)
[02:33] <TMM> what is the best way to determine what your application's build-dependencies are? is there an automated way?
[02:33] <hubW> TMM: configure
[02:33] <TMM> the 'hack' in the debian new maintainers guide doesn't work very well
[02:33] <hubW> or README
[02:37] <TMM> ghehehe, ok :)
[02:42] <sistpoty> TMM: account created, you should receive a mail rsn ;)
[02:42] <sistpoty> TMM: you can upload to revu now (if i didn't get it wrong ;)
[02:48] <TMM> cool :)
[02:48] <TMM> I'll finish this package and upload it
[02:56] <TMM> sistpoty, I just dput that changes file, right? then it does everything else automagically?
[02:56] <TMM> (just to be sure I understood correctly)
[02:56] <Kyral> hoy hoy hoy
[03:00] <sistpoty> TMM: yep that's it
[03:00] <Kyral> I followed the Wiki and uploaded my package to REVU
[03:08] <TMM> sistpoty, is an icon manditory?
[03:09] <TMM> sistpoty, because this tool doesn't have one of its own :)
[03:10] <sistpoty> TMM: for desktop-stuff it's pretty much welcomed... but i don't think it's mandatory (from the debian-policy)
[03:11] <sistpoty> TMM: as goes for .desktop files
[03:12] <TMM> sistpoty, this one doesn't include it's own .desktop, can I just rely on the menu.ex stuff?
[03:13] <TMM> sistpoty, is there an ubuntu specific howto anyway? :)
[03:13] <sistpoty> TMM: sorry, i don't know pretty much about the desktop-stuff yet ;)
[03:14] <TMM> hmmm
[03:14] <TMM> no howto or anything?
[03:17] <Kyral> happy no build?
[03:17] <sistpoty> i haven't searched for one yet... but you could try to look at some examples
[03:17] <sistpoty> from other packages
[03:17] <TMM> I suppose :)
[03:18] <sistpoty> Kyral: do you mean package "happy"?
[03:18] <Kyral> ja ja
[03:18] <sistpoty> it doesn't build? thought i fixed this one
[03:18] <Kyral> I'm just looking at the "Packages That Need Love"
[03:19] <ajmitch> right, that wiki page probably needs cleaning :)
[03:19] <Kyral> what about alex?
[03:20] <ajmitch> what page are you looking at, btw?
[03:20] <sistpoty> hehe, i wanted to ask the same thing
[03:20] <Kyral> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGhc6Transition
[03:20] <ajmitch> right
[03:20] <sistpoty> oh... that page is pretty much outdated
[03:21] <ajmitch> sistpoty: go forth & clean it!
[03:21] <sistpoty> will do tomorrow ;)
[03:21] <Kyral> Damnit I wanted to help :D
[03:21] <ajmitch> want me to do it now then?
[03:21] <ajmitch> I can check breezy-changes for stuff that was uploaded
[03:21] <sistpoty> ajmitch: if you got time, feel free to do so ;)
[03:21] <TMM> not very helpfull, the gedit package :)
[03:21] <ajmitch> TMM: hmm?
[03:22] <ajmitch> TMM: what are you doing to gedit?
[03:22] <sistpoty> Kyral: you could try UniverseUnmetDep or fixing malone bugs
[03:22] <sistpoty> s/UniverseUnmetDep/UniverseUnmetDeps/
[03:22] <ajmitch> Kyral: anything not in state 'accepted' on https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs
[03:24] <Kyral> well, I CANNOT confirm this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/2741
[03:24] <Kyral> VLC works just fine for me :D
[03:25] <Kyral> Whats that wierd version he is using? Janus?
[03:25] <TMM> ajmitch, nothing, trying to get examples
[03:25] <TMM> trying to figure out a way to copy my own .desktop file over
[03:26] <TMM> something in rules perhaps...
[03:27] <crimsun> Kyral: ask for apt-cache policy vlc
[03:27] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/2772 <---Confirmed...
[03:27] <crimsun> if it's not from breezy/universe, it's marked invalid
[03:27] <Kyral> Shortcuts only seem to work in FullScreen
[03:27] <ajmitch> crimsun: or multiverse
[03:27] <crimsun> err, are they in multiverse finally?
[03:28] <ajmitch> no, it's universe
[03:28] <crimsun> whew
[03:28] <ajmitch> but packages like that tend to end up in multiverse at times :)
[03:28] <crimsun> but I do wish they were in multiverse :(
[03:28] <crimsun> it's simply unbuildable with ffmpeg support due to the libpostproc-dev fiasco
[03:29] <crimsun> to make vlc even halfway useful I have to kludge in an upstream ffmpeg
[03:29] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/2741 <---Like that?
[03:30] <crimsun> Kyral: that bug report lacks any semblance of information
[03:30] <Kyral> I find VLC very useful. Just can't play AVI well...but thats what Totem-Xine + w32codecs are for
[03:30] <crimsun> Kyral: err sorry, needed to refresh
[03:30] <Kyral> lol
[03:31] <crimsun> yes, that's fine
[03:31] <crimsun> if it's not from /universe, mark it invalid please
[03:31] <Kyral> Yah, I have the same version number, but ~ubuntuwhatever from Universe
[03:31] <ajmitch> ah, backports?
[03:32] <Kyral> no...Backports have the extension ~ubp
[03:32] <Kyral> and I know for a fact that offical packages override them
[03:32] <ajmitch> and breezy packages don't have ~ in the version
[03:32] <Kyral> sorry
[03:32] <Kyral> -ubuntu
[03:32] <Kyral> long day :P
[03:32] <ajmitch> 0.8.2-1ubuntu3 I assume
[03:33] <Kyral> yup yup
[03:34] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/2772 <---Confirmed. Should I put that in comments and elaborate that Keyboard Shortcuts only seem to work in Fullscreen?
[03:35] <crimsun> yes
[03:35] <Kyral> and I don't think I have enough access to mark things invalid. I don't see it on my menu on the right
[03:36] <sistpoty> Kyral: click on the package name ;)
[03:37] <Kyral> ah
[03:38] <Kyral> ty ty. I'm still new at this
[03:39] <Kyral> So should I mark that other VLC bug as confirmed or?
[03:39] <crimsun> you may
[03:40] <Kyral> What status?
[03:41] <crimsun> new or accepted
[03:41] <ajmitch> I'd usually just leave a comment
[03:41] <ajmitch> and only put status 'accepted' if you're working on it
[03:41] <Kyral> Yah I can't work on it
[03:41] <Kyral> I just left a comment :D
[03:42] <crimsun> sure, leave it new.
[03:42] <Kyral> Already did :D
[03:42] <crimsun> hopefully I'll be able to mark it closed with the next upload
[03:42] <Kyral> That would be nice actually...
[03:44] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/1652 <--I think I actually have a fix for this...
[03:46] <Kyral> Axk....I forgot I'm not a member of the MOTU group and got a couple emails about it
[03:51] <Kyral> I'm just a MOTU-In-Training
[03:51] <sistpoty> ajmitch: do you happen to know where dcut.*.commands come from (obviously uploads by dput)?
[03:52] <zakame> heya all! :D
[03:52] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes, something uploaded to remove files from the queue, usually?
[03:53] <ajmitch> sistpoty: what is the question, if you know they come from dput?
[03:53] <ajmitch> dcut, actually..
[03:53] <sistpoty> because that's strange behaviour for revu (see /home/ftp/incoming/ on tiber.tauware.de)
[03:54] <sistpoty> i just can't figure out what's going on actually ;)
[03:54] <Kyral> Did it break? </Stupid Question>
[03:55] <ajmitch> sistpoty: simple, someone didn't want their crossfire package uploaded :)
[03:55] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:56] <sistpoty> Kyral: was that upload from you?
[03:56] <Kyral> Nope
[03:56] <Kyral> Mine is the Futurama-Fortune-Mod
[03:56] <ajmitch> sistpoty: best just to rm the lot
[03:56] <sistpoty> ok
[03:56] <TMM> hmm, installing arbitrary files from rules/ is pretty hard :)
[03:57] <sistpoty> ajmitch: removed ;)
[03:57] <ajmitch> TMM: not really :)
[03:58] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/1652 <---Can I close this out if I know whats wrong?
[03:58] <crimsun> certainly file a comment prior
[03:59] <Kyral> Yah yah. Clear it with you guys first
[04:00] <Kyral> commented
[04:01] <sistpoty> Kyral: btw. i just glanced at fortune-mod-futurama... plz. try to fix http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/fortune-mod-futurama-0510052000/lintian
[04:02] <Kyral> Yah, wazzat mean?
[04:02] <TMM> ajmitch, not? please, explain :)
[04:02] <sistpoty> Kyral: remove the *.ex files from debian dir
[04:02] <Kyral> ah *smack self in face*
[04:02] <sistpoty> Kyral: apart from that you should not build a native package...
[04:02] <Kyral> ??
[04:03] <sistpoty> Kyral: if you downloaded that package from somewhere
[04:03] <Kyral> No, its not even a compile if you look at it. How do I make it -all?
[04:04] <TMM> ajmitch, aaahh.. you need to give the dirs in ubuntu/dirs where the stuff is supposed to go :)
[04:05] <sistpoty> Kyral: ok, then a native package is fine... if you don't need to compile it, change architecture to all in control-file
[04:05] <Kyral> kk
[04:05] <Kyral> then resubmit it?
[04:06] <sistpoty> yep
[04:07] <Kyral> Same version?
[04:07] <sistpoty> Kyral: yes
[04:07] <Kyral> k, ty
[04:07] <Kyral> ty all for putting up with my stupid questions D:
[04:07] <sistpoty> err... dunno what naming scheme for native ubuntu packages there is actually ;)
[04:07] <sistpoty> np
[04:08] <sistpoty> g'night
[04:08] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:08] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[04:09] <sistpoty> hi bddebian... /me leaves, you come in ;)
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya bmonty, sistpoty
[04:09] <sistpoty> so gn8 bddebian
[04:09] <Kyral> Anyone wanna clear me to close out #1652?
[04:10] <ajmitch> bddebian is the bug master that we look  up to, so ask him :)
[04:11] <bddebian> :-(
[04:11] <bipolar> bddebian, yo
[04:12] <bddebian> Kyral: Why doesn't it work?
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya bipolar
[04:12] <bddebian> bipolar: Still doesn't look like they're in yet :-(
[04:13] <Kyral> bddebian, why? Prolly because VLC for GNOME and VLC for GTK are just different libraries that customize VLC
[04:13] <Kyral> just like VLC for Qt
[04:13] <bddebian> Ohh, I see what you are saying.  I misread the comment.
[04:14] <bipolar> bddebian, heh
[04:14] <bddebian> Go ahead and close.  Of course crimsun needs to get VLC in.. ;-P
[04:14] <bipolar> bddebian, is it all set up waiting for authorization or something?
[04:14] <Kyral> ty
[04:14] <Kyral> yet...nah I'm not good enough to be part of the MOTU group
[04:15] <bddebian> bipolar: One of the binaries from libchipcard2 is sitting in NEW :-(
[04:15] <bddebian> Kyral: ??
[04:15] <bipolar> bddebian, so someone has to put a stamp on it, eh?
[04:15] <Kyral> Everytime I comment I get an email saying its being held for review because I'm not part of the MOTU group ;P
[04:15] <Kyral> so I should set it "fixed"?
[04:16] <ajmitch> was anything done to fix it?
[04:16] <Kyral> Its not a bug per say
[04:16] <bddebian> bipolar: I think given time, they self clear but I would prefer it get bumped manually
[04:17] <ajmitch> we generally mark non-bugs as repected
[04:17] <ajmitch> s/repected/rejected/
[04:17] <bddebian> Kyral: That's a mailing list thing.  I get those too
[04:17] <Kyral> k
[04:17] <Kyral> marking as rejected
[04:19] <Kyral> Okay....why is Evolution acting odd?
[04:19] <bmonty> because Evolution sucks? :)
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[04:20] <LaserJock> Hi bddebian
[04:22] <LaserJock> well, I played around with ghemical today. Everything worked as far as mopac but is sure does have a lot of bugs :-<
[04:22] <TMM> woot
[04:22] <TMM> my first package :)
[04:22] <bddebian> LaserJock: Sorry to hear that :-(
[04:23] <LaserJock> bddebian: me too. I guess it is in development but the ui could use some work and it keep segfaulting on me
[04:25] <ajmitch> LaserJock: probably why it's built as it is in debian :)
[04:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch:?
[04:25] <TMM> is it supposed to show up in revu immediately ?
[04:26] <bmonty> anyone know if loop-aes is in the kernel image?  I looked but I can't find it.
[04:26] <Kyral> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/vlc/+bug/1078 <---Can I mark this as WishList?
[04:31] <bddebian> bmonty: I thought someone had said that but I don't know for sure
[04:39] <bmonty> hmm, lots of bugs about using esd....Dapper is hopefully going to ditch esd, right??
[04:40] <TMM> I hope ESD and arts both die a slow, gruesome death
[04:40] <TMM> in the near future
[04:40] <TMM> :)
[04:40] <Kyral> ALSA! ALSA!
[04:40] <TMM> well. fast... but still painful and gruesome
[04:41] <TMM> alsa and ubuntu automagically configuring dmix (or jack)
[04:41] <Lathiat> dmix
[04:41] <bmonty> alsa and dmix would be nice
[04:42] <Lathiat> err
[04:42] <Lathiat> dmix is part of alsa
[04:42] <bmonty> my main machine has two sound cards, so it doesn't bother me, but sound on my laptop is annoying
[04:42] <bmonty> Lathiat: yup
[04:42] <Lathiat> that does software mixing to allow more than 1 program to play at once
[04:42] <TMM> my laptop has hardware mixing :)
[04:43] <Lathiat> nice
[04:43] <TMM> jack could do software mixing as well automatically
[04:43] <Lathiat> lucky for you
[04:43] <bmonty> TMM: doesn't dmix use the hardware mixing if available?
[04:43] <bmonty> or do you have to configure it?
[04:43] <TMM> it probably does... but I never configured anything
[04:43] <TMM> on no distro
[04:44] <TMM> but, I also read somewhere that from a certain alsa version dmix is implied automagically for the PCM devices
[04:44] <Lathiat> yes, from recently
[04:44] <TMM> well, then I never needed it :)
[04:45] <Lathiat> a few cards had hardware mixing
[04:45] <TMM> first, I had an i810 soundcard in my previous laptop now ali5451... but that also does hardware mixing apparently
[04:45] <Lathiat> liek some of the sound blasters
[04:45] <Lathiat> but for the most part they dont
[04:45] <Lathiat> i810 doesn't do hardware mixing
[04:45] <Lathiat> at least, neither of mine do
[04:45] <TMM> then dmix kicks in automagically for quite a while, I never configured a thing :)
[04:46] <Lathiat> its been in breezy for a long time
[04:46] <Lathiat> unless youve been using esd or whatever
[04:46] <TMM> not for most things
[04:46] <TMM> It's not even loaded
[04:47] <bmonty> does GNOME still require esd, or is it an ubuntu choice to have it?
[04:47] <TMM> do you get like email about packages you upload to revu?
[04:47] <bmonty> TMM: nope
[04:47] <TMM> bmonty, it depends on it, but you can disable it
[04:48] <TMM> bmonty, how long untill it should show up on the webpage? I just deleted it from my local computer by accident :)
[04:48] <TMM> so I want to redownload it, fast :)
[04:48] <bmonty> TMM: I think it processes the upload queue every 5 mins
[04:48] <bmonty> it doesn't take long
[04:48] <TMM> ok
[04:51] <bipolar> bmonty, I think that gnome is moving over to gstreamer for everything. That outputs to alsa, oss, esd, arts, whatever.
[04:51] <Kyral> icky GStreamer
[04:51] <bmonty> bipolar: cool
[04:51] <TMM> hey, how do I build a source package if I don't apt-get source it but seperately download the .orig.tar.gz the diff and the dsc?
[04:51] <bipolar> Kyral, gstreamer rules!!!
[04:51] <bddebian> TMM: dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[04:51] <TMM> ah, thanks
[04:52] <Kyral> gstreamer sucks
[04:52] <TMM> cool, it's actually working :)
[04:52] <grayman> whats wrong with gstreamer?
[04:52] <TMM> Kyral, what's wrong with gstreamer? it's an amazing api to work with :)
[04:52] <TMM> well, better than anything else anyway
[04:52] <bipolar> I hope kde moves to gstreamer. it's been mentioned.
[04:52] <bmonty> bddebian: check out #773, reject?
[04:53] <TMM> why is there a lightbulb and a hammer next to my submission? does that mean something is wrong? (the lightbulb?)
[04:53] <ajmitch> bmonty: why reject?
[04:54] <bddebian> bmonty: Hmm, dunno.  ajmitch ?
[04:54] <ajmitch> TMM: it's a new package?
[04:54] <ajmitch> bmonty: it looks valid enough at a glance
[04:54] <bmonty> non-standard setup, and I think the problem is from the HOWTO, but I'm checking
[04:54] <TMM> ajmitch, does it means that? :)
[04:55] <ajmitch> TMM: yes
[04:55] <LaserJock> heah bddebian:  should I report ghemical bugs to malone or should I talk to the ghemical guys themselves?
[04:55] <TMM> ok, cool
[04:56] <TMM> and people'll look at it then? and then do what? I can't change anything on the packages there... if I test someone else's package, how do I give feedback?
[04:57] <grayman> erm
[04:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: Better to get the fixes upstream if possible but a Malone bug it OK to file too
[04:57] <grayman> you need to be a reviewer i think
[04:58] <TMM> there's not much info :(
[04:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, what if some of the stuff is fixed in CVS. Is it ok to make a patch for our source packages?
[04:58] <grayman> TMM, it was written in the wiki
[04:58] <bddebian> LaserJock: Unfortunately probably not for breezy at this point but you can always try :-)
[04:58] <TMM> grayman, where? :)
[04:59] <grayman> lemme find
[04:59] <bmonty> good night guys
[04:59] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty
[04:59] <tritium> good night bmonty
[04:59] <grayman> TMM, about the reviewer in the revu wiki
[05:00] <TMM> ah, I see you can apply for the job
[05:01] <LaserJock> cya all, thanks bddebian
[05:02] <bddebian> LaserJock: Gnight.  Sorry man :(
[05:02] <LaserJock> that's ok , I got mopac in and we got ghemical out of UnmetDeps. That's good enough for me right now
[05:05] <tritium> bddebian, after reading dholbach's email, I think you should put your boss hat on and delegate some tasks.
[05:06] <TMM> should I advocate my own new package?
[05:08] <bddebian> TMM: You should bugfix and fix broken packages ;-P
[05:08] <bddebian> tritium: I have tried :-)
[05:08] <TMM> bddebian, Ican't (yet) :)
[05:09] <Kyral> So how long does it take for a package to be reviewed and holy crap its late
[05:09] <Kyral> showertime!
[05:10] <tritium> bddebian, well, it would actually be helpful to a guy like me struggling to get re-involved
[05:10] <ajmitch> yes, what should I do bddebian sir?
[05:10] <grayman> hmm
[05:10] <grayman> libcal3d11 should be uploaded :/
[05:10] <tritium> ajmitch should have a boss hat too
[05:11] <grayman> libcal3d10 and libcal3d11 are not compatible
[05:11] <grayman> and the debian one works alright
[05:11] <bddebian> tritium: Fix gnome-launch-box for me since it's kicking my ass
[05:11] <ajmitch> tritium: nah, I don't have the mad sk1llz of bddebian
[05:11] <grayman> erm
[05:11] <tritium> ajmitch, sure you do
[05:11] <bddebian> tritium: ajmitch has THE boss hat :-)
[05:12] <grayman> where i request packages to be synced from debian?
[05:12] <ajmitch> grayman: libcal3d10 isn't in breezy?
[05:12] <bddebian> grayman: elmo
[05:12] <ajmitch> libcal3d10c2
[05:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't tell him that
[05:12] <tritium> bddebian, if it's difficult for you, I won't be able to do it
[05:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: only MOTUs can ask for syncs
[05:12] <grayman> ajmitch, yes... but no libcal3d11
[05:12] <grayman> its important
[05:12] <bddebian> tritium: Yeah right, you must be stoned :-)
[05:12] <grayman> both version are not compatible
[05:13] <ajmitch> grayman: is there a good reason for getting libcal3d11 in?
[05:13] <ajmitch> what needs it?
[05:13] <tritium> bddebian, never in my life
[05:14] <grayman> ajmitch, personally i need it for EL i contribute to the project and need it to compile
[05:14] <bipolar> bddebian, is there a way I can look at the build progress of ubuntu packages? I'm curious how it all works.
[05:15] <bddebian> bipolar: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildlogs/
[05:15] <ajmitch> grayman: there are a number of packages we'd have to rebuild as well
[05:15] <bipolar> bddebian, 404
[05:16] <bddebian> bipolar: buildLogs
[05:16] <grayman> ajmitch, i guess
[05:16] <grayman> im just suggesting
[05:17] <grayman> the debian one works good
[05:17] <ajmitch> Reverse Depends: underware sear python-soya poker3d libunderwarec2 libpoker3dc2 libosgcalc2 libcal3d10-dev
[05:17] <bddebian> Eeks
[05:18] <bddebian> Even I wouldn't touch that one ;-)
[05:18] <ajmitch> we'd need to check each of those for API incompatibility
[05:18] <grayman> yeah
[05:18] <grayman> loads of work
[05:18] <grayman> i can see that
[05:18] <TMM> about this pbuilder thing, it looks useful btw :) but, also, after I do a build/install is my pbuild evironment 'contaminated'?
[05:18] <ajmitch> not loads, but enough to do before release :)
[05:18] <tritium> TMM, no
[05:19] <bddebian> TMM: Only if you use --override-conf or something to that affect
[05:19] <Amaranth> libosgcalc2 is a source package?
[05:19] <ajmitch> Amaranth: those are binary packages
[05:19] <Amaranth> this dang bot is supposed to have it then
[05:19] <TMM> good :)
[05:20] <bipolar> bddebian, wow.... that build system is a complex beast isnt it...
[05:21] <bddebian> bipolar: Aye
[05:24] <TMM> does universe have a buildcluster too btw?
[05:24] <TMM> I just wondered who/what build the packages for the different archs :)
[05:25] <bddebian> TMM: There are buildd machines for each arch
[05:25] <TMM> canonical sponsors it too?
[05:26] <ajmitch> universe is built on the same systems as main
[05:26] <TMM> cool :)
[05:28] <Kyral> yo
[05:29] <TMM> that pbuilder is pretty damn cool :)
[05:29] <Kyral> Can someone lookover my Lintin and Linda data for the Fortune-Mod-Futurama package and tell me how to fix it when they have time?
[05:29] <bddebian> Kyral: What's the error?
[05:30] <Kyral> Its in REVU ;P
[05:31] <Kyral> I'm kinda getting dressed ATM ;P
[05:31] <bddebian> Well then how are you typing? :-)
[05:31] <Kyral> In between putting stuff on
[05:31] <ajmitch> Kyral: where'd you get the license info for it from?
[05:31] <Kyral> I'm in my dorm room, not that hard ;P
[05:31] <TMM> holy fuck batman, I'm going to be needing a bigger disk
[05:31] <Kyral> ajmitch, I emailed the guy
[05:32] <Kyral> He gave me the go ahead
[05:32] <ajmitch> that's just marginally suspect :)
[05:32] <Kyral> I can forward it to you
[05:32] <Kyral> lol
[05:33] <Kyral> You want me to forward you the email?
[05:33] <ajmitch> you've got far too much junk in debian/rules as well
[05:34] <Kyral> Its just what dh_make spat out. This is like my second package
[05:34] <ajmitch> and I'm giving feedback :)
[05:34] <Kyral> lol
[05:34] <ajmitch> debian/control has an awfully short description
[05:34] <Kyral> Then how would I clean it up
[05:34] <ajmitch> removing everything you don't need
[05:34] <Kyral> ah
[05:34] <ajmitch> you should be able to say what each tool you're using in debian/rules does :)
[05:35] <Kyral> My main priorty is getting a clean slate from Lintin/Linda
[05:35] <bddebian> Kyral: You will probably not ever get perfectly clean unless you add all the NMU crap
[05:35] <ajmitch> yep
[05:36] <Kyral> NMU?
[05:36] <ajmitch> I'm just suggesting what we'd want before it is uploaded
[05:36] <bddebian> Unless you are the maintainer
[05:36] <Kyral> I don't think it needs to be maintained
[05:36] <Kyral> if you go to the site, its pretty clear thats the final version
[05:37] <bddebian> Kyral: NMU == Non-Maintainer upload
[05:37] <Kyral> I mean I can be the de facto maintainer
[05:38] <bddebian> ??
[05:38] <bddebian> D00d, I couldn't package my own package if I had too :-(
[05:38] <ajmitch> utter rubbish
[05:39] <Kyral> I don't mind being the maintainer for that package
[05:41] <Kyral> But I'm not an official member, so I can't be the package maintainer, right?
[05:41] <ajmitch> sure you can
[05:42] <Kyral> cool
[05:42] <bddebian> Kyral: It just means that you are forever bound to keeping that package fixed and up to date ;-P
[05:43] <Kyral> bddebian, if you saw that site, with the latest RPM dating to Red Hat 8, you'd see why I'm not worried :D
[05:45] <bddebian> Damnit, why does every new package release in Debian require updates to all it's build-deps :'-(
[05:45] <Kyral> lol
[05:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: because we've gotten behind
[05:45] <Kyral> So if you will, consider me its Maintainer ;P
[05:46] <TMM> what does this mean?
[05:46] <TMM> debian-files-list-in-source
[05:46] <ajmitch> Kyral: great, now you have to have your package at the highest quality
[05:46] <ajmitch> TMM: debian/files is in there. it shouldn't be
[05:46] <Kyral> ajmitch, gimme a primer in the morning, I'm going to bed ;P
[05:46] <ajmitch> you've probably done a native package, too
[05:47] <TMM> a native package?
[05:47] <TMM> there's a debian/ dir in the original source, yes, but it is totally bollocks, I had to remove it
[05:47] <ajmitch> one without a correct orig.tar.gz
[05:47] <TMM> it is 'correct' :)
[05:47] <Kyral> But basically I have to strip out everything in debian/rules that doesn't need to be there, right?
[05:47] <ajmitch> Kyral: that's the first step
[05:48] <TMM> ajmitch, is that a big problem/
[05:48] <TMM> ?
[05:48] <Kyral> Well, I'm going to bed
[05:48] <Kyral> goodnight :D
[05:48] <bddebian> Gnight Kyral
[05:48] <ajmitch> TMM: not a huge problem, just very annoying
[05:48] <ajmitch> night
[05:48] <TMM> I get 3 errors from lintian
[05:48] <TMM> all 3 related to that
[05:49] <TMM> bye ajmitch
[05:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well this one just came in two days ago ;-)
[05:49] <TMM> well, it builds in pbuild, the resulting packages work
[05:50] <TMM> and I only get lintian errors on the source tarball
[05:50] <TMM> I'd say that's a pretty decent score for a first package :)
[05:50] <bddebian> TMM: Excellent.  Rip those files out and you should be golden ;-)
[05:50] <TMM> somewhere else I read that you shouldn't alter the .orig.tar.gz
[05:51] <TMM> and that a diff that removes it is ok...
[05:51] <TMM> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316
[05:51] <TMM> there :)
[05:51] <TMM> " chaning .orig from upstream tar is standard practice for removing debian directories etc.
[05:51] <TMM> I dont see the rpath errors.
[05:51] <TMM> advocating. "
[05:55] <TMM> bddebian, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=716 I am *SO* proud :)
[05:56] <ajmitch> wait until the reviewers rip into it ;)
[05:57] <ajmitch> first thing - version number should be 1.4-0ubuntu1
[05:57] <bddebian> Doh
[05:57] <TMM> there is no debian counterpart...
[05:57] <ajmitch> there might be
[05:57] <ajmitch> debian/rules has plenty of stuff you can cull
[05:57] <TMM> ok :)
[05:58] <ajmitch> we use .desktop files, not menu
[05:58] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[05:58] <TMM> ajmitch, I put both in
[05:58] <Amaranth> the debian menu system makes baby jebus cry
[05:58] <TMM> ok, that should go too then?
[05:58] <ajmitch> ah so you did, but you can use a dh_desktop in debian/rules then
[05:59] <ajmitch> why do you have README.Debian there?
[05:59] <TMM> ajmitch, how does that work then?
[05:59] <Amaranth> ooh, i need to learn more about these helper scripts
[05:59] <TMM> I removed readme.debian... I'm probably going crazy
[05:59] <Amaranth> dh_desktop does what now?
[05:59] <ajmitch> dvdstyler.doc-base.EX
[05:59] <TMM> it's there....
[06:00] <TMM> ajmitch, I removed that too...
[06:00] <TMM> well, I don't have it HERE anyway
[06:00] <TMM> and this is what I uploaded
[06:00] <ajmitch> they're on REVU :)
[06:00] <TMM> ?
[06:00] <ajmitch> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/dvdstyler-0510052225/dvdstyler-1.4/debian/
[06:00] <ajmitch> I'm looking at files there
[06:00] <TMM> ajmitch, is that the tarball
[06:00] <TMM> ?
[06:01] <ajmitch> that's what you uploaded, at least
[06:01] <ajmitch> I haven't grabbed it myself to check
[06:01] <TMM> weird....
[06:01] <TMM> I'll just reupload in a sec
[06:01] <ajmitch> and I'm heading out in about 30 secs
[06:01] <TMM> one more thing :)
[06:01] <ajmitch> will be back in a few minutes
[06:01] <TMM> what should I remove from rules?
[06:01] <bddebian> Later ajmitch I think I'm heading for bed
[06:01] <TMM> all the comments and the like?
[06:02] <ajmitch> bye bddebian
[06:02] <ajmitch> TMM: and any unneeded dh_* calls
[06:02] <ajmitch> bbiab
[06:02] <TMM> how will I know what is unneeded?
[06:04] <hubW> TMM: experience?
[06:04] <hubW> :-)
[06:05] <TMM> hubH, training to gain some now :)
[06:10] <TMM> well, lets see if it'll still work now :)
[06:10] <ColonelKernel> im trying to set my compiler options
[06:11] <ColonelKernel> can anyone help me out? im using export CC="/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 -O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fno-merge-constants -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -mfpmath=sse,387 -mmmx -msse -msse2"
[06:11] <ColonelKernel> if this is correct I'd REALLY like to know
[06:11] <hubW> how does mime works for packages?
[06:11] <TMM> shouldn't that be
[06:12] <TMM> CCFLAGS="-bla" ?
[06:12] <TMM> or C++FLAGS?
[06:12] <TMM> instead of CC?
[06:12] <ColonelKernel> TMM, I dont know
[06:12] <TMM> I think that's it
[06:12] <ColonelKernel>  im not sure at all how to set this stuff up in ubuntu
[06:12] <TMM> I don't think you are supposed to set compiler flags in CC
[06:13] <TMM> CXXFLAGS
[06:13] <TMM> so
[06:13] <TMM> you'll want to do
[06:13] <ColonelKernel> export CCFLAGS="/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 -O3 -march=pentium4 -pipe -fno-merge-constants -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -mfpmath=sse,387 -mmmx -msse -msse2"
[06:13] <ColonelKernel> ?
[06:13] <TMM> CXXFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -pipe -fno-merge-constants -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -mfpmath=sse,387 -mmmx -msse -msse2"
[06:13] <TMM> it's just the flags, not the compiler command
[06:13] <ColonelKernel> -O3 too
[06:13] <TMM> yeah
[06:14] <TMM> if you want to set the c compiler you ALSO
[06:14] <ColonelKernel> and how do I know if its working properly?
[06:14] <TMM> export CXX="/usr/bin/gcc-3.4"
[06:14] <TMM> you'll see it fly past
[06:15] <ColonelKernel> CXX?
[06:16] <ColonelKernel> meaning for me CC right or actually put in CXX?
[06:18] <ColonelKernel> TMM, plz clue in a noob
[06:18] <TMM> ColonelKernel, sorry
[06:19] <TMM> ColonelKernel, I am wrong
[06:19] <TMM> ColonelKernel, you want CC and CFLAGS
[06:19] <TMM> so
[06:19] <TMM> export  CFLAGS="-march=pentium4 -pipe -fno-merge-constants -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -mfpmath=sse,387 -mmmx -msse -msse2"
[06:19] <TMM> export CC="/usr/bin/gcc-3.4"
[06:19] <ColonelKernel> NICE
[06:19] <ColonelKernel> thank you
[06:19] <TMM> then run ./confgure
[06:20] <TMM> ColonelKernel, np
[06:20] <TMM> ajmitch, so, I've updated the version... and removed cruft
[06:20] <ColonelKernel> and how can I tell if its using those cflags?
[06:21] <TMM> you'll see all your stuff fly past if you make
[06:21] <TMM> but, damn dude, are you running gentoo or something? :) why all the cflags?
[06:21] <ColonelKernel> its making but I dont see anything about those cflags in there
[06:21] <TMM> did you ./confugure again?
[06:21] <ColonelKernel> I just want optimizations on kernel build and a couple of apps
[06:21] <TMM> don't set custion cflags on kernel
[06:22] <TMM> you might break it
[06:22] <ColonelKernel> doh
[06:22] <TMM> I don't it'll pick it up anyway
[06:22] <ColonelKernel> alright
[06:22] <ColonelKernel> j/k
[06:22] <crimsun> you need to be very careful doing that with the Ubuntu-patched source
[06:22] <crimsun> scary things will happen
[06:22] <TMM> scary things will happen regardless of patches when using custom cflags while building the kernel
[06:23] <TMM> but, it won't pick it up anyway, you'll have to edit the makefile I think
[06:23] <TMM> it resets it afaik
[06:23] <TMM> or, it used to anyway
[06:23] <ColonelKernel> excrement.
[06:23] <crimsun> edit HOSTCC and CC
[06:23] <ColonelKernel> nice
[06:23] <ColonelKernel> im not turning on anything that isnt in my kernel
[06:23] <crimsun> but yeah, environment variables are parsed, too
[06:23] <ColonelKernel> and i dont use things like ffast-math
[06:24] <hubW> another package uploaded
[06:24] <hubW> if that ever goes to main, we beat MacOS X to the curb
[06:25] <hubW> RAW thumbnailing
[06:25] <hubW> well, I need to update it first
[06:31] <TMM> hubH, RAW thumbnailing?
[06:31] <TMM> hubH, is there a dh_ command to compress the changelog?
[06:32] <hubW> TMM: don't know. should be handled by the documentation
[06:33] <hubW> TMM: yeah. RAW thumbnail. for Camera RAW files
[06:33] <ajmitch> TMM: like dh_compress? :)
[06:33] <ColonelKernel> I have HOSTCFLAGS and HOSTCXXFLAGS = which one do I punch my options in for - im not trying to mess with g++ I dont think
[06:33] <hubW> MSFT did some fuss about the new 150MB RAW kit for XP
[06:33] <ColonelKernel> I dont know anythign about g++
[06:33] <Amaranth> hubW: I'm seeing double. ;)
[06:33] <ajmitch> ColonelKernel: so why are you mucking about with CFLAGS?
[06:33] <hubW> Amaranth: ?
[06:33] <Amaranth> hubH hubW :D
[06:34] <hubW> Amaranth: my clone at work
[06:34] <ColonelKernel> ajmitch, are the optimizations the same?
[06:34] <hub> :-)
[06:34] <TMM> dh_installdocs?
[06:34] <ColonelKernel> im used to setting this up with gentoo
[06:34] <TMM> I removed it, as 'cruft' :)
[06:34] <ajmitch> yes, I thought you must come from gentoo
[06:34] <Amaranth> haha
[06:34] <ajmitch> TMM: why, surely if you had it in debian/rules you knew what it did, right? ;)
[06:34] <Amaranth> well, bed time
[06:34] <ColonelKernel> ajmitch, I have to say - if you guys are the ubuntu developers - you guys have really put together one hell of a distro - its fantastic
[06:35] <hub> Amaranth: should do the same
[06:35] <Amaranth> i have class tomorrow so i'll be on a lot
[06:35] <TMM> ajmitch, dh_make...
[06:35] <hub> I have a meeting at 11:00 AM
[06:35] <hub> :-/
[06:35] <ajmitch> TMM: dh_make is a start, but you really need to learn what the dh_* tools do :)
[06:35] <crimsun> crap, meeting in 7h 25m
[06:35] <TMM> [06:21]  TMM but, damn dude, are you running gentoo or something? :) why all the cflags?
[06:35] <Amaranth> hub: I always do Amaranth as at home then Am|Whatever if I'm online somewhere else. At least that's what I did when I had DSL.
[06:35] <TMM> :P
[06:36] <Amaranth> ack, i'm talking more instead of sleeping!
[06:36] <TMM> ajmitch, meh... :)
[06:36] <TMM> ajmitch, I thought this was going to be somewhat easy :)
[06:36] <ajmitch> it is easy!\
[06:36] <ajmitch> I'm just pedantic
[06:36] <TMM> :P
[06:36] <ajmitch> if you wanted easy, you could have used cdbs :)
[06:37] <TMM> I found out about that about 10 minutes ago :)
[06:37] <TMM> I don't want to redo this package though
[06:37] <TMM> :)
[06:37] <ajmitch> heh
[06:37] <ajmitch> think of this as valuable learning experience
[06:37] <TMM> I am
[06:37] <TMM> otherwise I would have 'migrated' to cdbs already :)
[06:37] <ajmitch> :)
[06:38] <ajmitch> I think I'm using cdbs on all my packages now
[06:38] <hub> I do too
[06:38] <hub> :-)
[06:38] <hub> unless I just update a Debian
[06:38] <hub> is malone the best place to request a Debian sync for a package that have been updated?
[06:38] <ajmitch> yeah, for 'my packages', I mean ones I maintain in debian
[06:38] <ajmitch> malone might be ok
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/menu
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/files
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/dvdstyler-default.ex
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/README.Debian
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/dvdstyler.doc-base.EX
[06:39] <ajmitch> but you'd just be asking one of us to ask elmo
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/dvdstyler.substvars
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file INSTALL
[06:39] <TMM> dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file COPYING
[06:39] <TMM> whoops
[06:39] <ajmitch> please, don't flood
[06:39] <TMM> sorry for the big paste
[06:39] <TMM> I only wanted to paste one line
[06:39] <TMM> I said 'whoops' :)
[06:39] <TMM> what I wanted to ask was, is this perhaps the reason that those files are still on revu?
[06:40] <ajmitch> most likely
[06:40] <TMM> so.... what do I do about that? :)
[06:40] <ajmitch> you are allowed to repack orig.tar.gz in special cases
[06:40] <ajmitch> this *may* be one of them
[06:41] <ajmitch> where upstream is a bit braindamaged :)
[06:41] <TMM> well... their debian/ dir is pretty braindead
[06:41] <ajmitch> yep
[06:41] <TMM> only ran dh_make and didn't change much
[06:41] <TMM> no deps, or builddeps
[06:41] <ajmitch> when upstream did that to me, I asked them politely to remove it :)
[06:42] <TMM> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends}
[06:42] <TMM> is that a problem/
[06:42] <TMM> ?
[06:42] <ajmitch> depends if you're using it or not
[06:42] <ajmitch> judging by that, you're not
[06:43] <TMM> lol
[06:43] <ajmitch> some dh_* calls would put a line with misc:Depends into dvdstyler.susbtvars when building
[06:43] <ajmitch> and dpkg-gencontrol would look at that & replace the misc:Depends in debian/control with the lines in dvdstyler.susbtvars
[06:44] <TMM> ow, I gues I do use that
[06:45] <TMM> I think I pruned my debian/rules file a *tad* too much
[06:45] <ajmitch> hehe
[06:46] <TMM> perhaps... I should try cdbs
[06:46] <TMM> I am never going to be able to fix this :)
[06:46] <ColonelKernel> nice - flags are working - thanks guys
[06:48] <ajmitch> TMM: it's fixable
[06:50] <TMM> ajmitch, not anymore it isn't :)
[06:50] <ajmitch> sure it is
[06:50] <TMM> I'm trying to 'migrate' to cdbs now
[06:51] <TMM> it's still ignoring the deleted files though...
[06:51] <ajmitch> and I said you could possibly repack it
[06:51] <ajmitch> sa long as you document that
[06:52] <TMM> in the changelog file?
[06:52] <TMM> debian/changelog?
[06:54] <ajmitch> in README.Debian
[06:54] <ajmitch> and probably debian/changelog
[06:54] <TMM> ok
[06:54] <TMM> I'll try it like this first, see if things go right now\
[06:54] <Sepheebear> im trying to build a cups-pdf package but I cant seem to get past this lintian error
[06:54] <Sepheebear> whiprush: cups-pdf source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 2.0beta1-1
[06:55] <hub> I get that one on REVU too
[06:55] <ajmitch> the version number would be wrong, but the warning can be ignored
[06:55] <ajmitch> it's just saying that the last person who changed it (from debian/changelog) is different from the maintainer (in debian/control)
[06:56] <Sepheebear> also, anybody know a good cdbs howto?
[06:56] <TMM> ajmitch, is a manpage mandatory?
[06:56] <hub> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[06:56] <ajmitch> TMM: at least strongly suggested :)
[06:56] <hub> Sepheebear: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS
[06:57] <Sepheebear> hub:  perfect thanks!
[06:57] <ajmitch> that & other resources are on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips
[06:57] <TMM> ajmitch, it has no command line options, or anything, AND I don't even know how to MAKE a manpage :)
[06:58] <Sepheebear> ajmitch:  wha?? why didnt I see that i been trawling the wiki like mad. thx
[07:05] <TMM> ajmitch, I'm actually getting somewhere now :)
[07:05] <ajmitch> great :)
[07:06] <TMM> screw dh
[07:06] <TMM> cdbs rocks ;)
[07:18] <TMM> ajmitch, still there? :)
[07:28] <TMM> anyone have anye idea why my debian/test file and my debian/<appname> build files don't get removed after I do dpkg-buildpackage?
[07:28] <TMM> it's screwing up my package :)
[09:26] <lifeless> anyone here interested in pornview ?
[09:27] <jsgotangco> errr?
[09:27] <lifeless> its an image viewer
[09:28] <zyga> lol
[09:28] <lifeless> very good for looking at large collections.
[09:28] <lifeless> ... of images
[09:28] <zyga> open source program naming scheme
[09:28] <zyga> LOL
[09:28] <jsgotangco> sure but i don't think companies wouldn't want something named as such in their workstations even if its just an image viewer heh
[09:28] <lifeless> anyway, its segfaulting for me
[09:29] <lifeless> and I want to look at a large collection
[09:29] <lifeless> :)
[09:29] <jsgotangco> ...of images
[09:29] <lifeless> yes
[09:29] <lifeless> aptitude install pornview; pornview; boom
[09:29] <jsgotangco> grabbing porn...
[09:30] <lifeless> #0  0xb79deea4 in pthread_mutex_lock () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0
[09:30] <lifeless> #1  0xb7805c4c in XUnlockDisplay () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
[09:30] <lifeless> #2  0xb7823141 in XrmQGetResource () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
[09:30] <lifeless> #3  0xb77fd42a in XGetDefault () from /usr/lib/libX11.so.6
[09:30] <lifeless> q
[09:30] <lifeless> #4  0xb77aadfc in cairo_xlib_surface_set_drawable () from /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2
[09:30] <lifeless> #5  0xb77ab07f in cairo_xlib_surface_set_drawable () from /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2
[09:30] <lifeless> #6  0xb77a9014 in cairo_test_xlib_disable_render () from /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2
[09:39] <jsgotangco> xine_thread: init threads
[09:39] <jsgotangco> xine_thread: open display
[09:39] <jsgotangco> gtkxine: auto-detecting video driver...
[09:39] <jsgotangco> Segmentation fault
[09:39] <jsgotangco> there goes my porn..
[09:42] <lifeless> see
[09:43] <lifeless> no porn viewing for you
[09:44] <crimsun> recompile against the new cairo
[09:44] <crimsun> the last time it was compiled was early july; the cairo transition/mass-rebuild was august
[10:10] <dholbach> good morning
[10:11] <janimo> morning daniel
[10:12] <dholbach> hey jani
[10:20] <\sh> moins
[10:23] <dholbach> could somebody have a look at the  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft  please
[10:23] <dholbach> i will send it off in some minutes
[10:24] <dholbach> so please make sure i didnt show you in the wrong light or forgot something
[10:24] <dholbach> thanks :)
[10:25] <zyga> morning
[10:25] <jsgotangco> \sh, *huff* *puff*
[10:26] <\sh> jsgotangco: hufflepuff? dumbledore?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> \sh, nice blog entry =)
[10:27] <\sh> jsgotangco: I was surprised by whiprush now...I just read his post
[10:28] <jsgotangco> you're my new blog hero
[10:30] <Treenaks> \sh: uh.. dholbach was reading Harry Potter in all languages right, not you? :)
[10:30] <dholbach> :)
[10:30] <Treenaks> dholbach: btw, I have the Dutch version at home :)
[10:31] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:31] <dholbach> did anybody read the motu report?
[10:31] <dholbach> i'll send it off now *grmbl*
[10:31] <zyga> dholbach: I did
[10:31] <janimo> dholbach, looks ok to me
[10:31] <jsgotangco> checking...
[10:31] <dholbach> i can't always remember everything
[10:32] <dholbach> sistpoty and ajmitch already were so kind to help out
[10:34] <dholbach> man, you did!
[10:34] <jsgotangco> you're too modest
[10:35] <ajmitch> ok, I didn't help much
[10:35] <ajmitch> I wrote in a couple of lines :P
[10:35] <\sh> Treenaks: well...I'd read all the books in english :) because I like Hagrid ;)
[10:35] <dholbach> in french he's not half as funny
[10:36] <\sh> jsgotangco: why should I be a bloghero?
[10:36] <\sh> ajmitch: YES!
[10:36] <dholbach> ajmitch: yes :)
[10:36] <ajmitch> \sh: because your 6 month summary rocked
[10:36] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes, you shuold
[10:36] <Treenaks> should, too
[10:36] <ajmitch> I don't have much to blog about
[10:36] <\sh> ajmitch: it's full of mistakes ;)
[10:36] <lifeless> jsgotangco: so can you trigger a rebuild of pornview ?
[10:36] <Treenaks> ajmitch: neither do I
[10:37] <ajmitch> \sh: meh, so is any quality reporting :)
[10:37] <dholbach> sent it
[10:37] <ajmitch> yay
[10:37] <ajmitch> sent it to devel, users, news?
[10:37] <ajmitch> and sounder?
[10:38] <dholbach> and fridge-devel
[10:38] <dholbach> not sounder
[10:38] <ajmitch> rock
[10:38] <Treenaks> hey, the bugzilla.ubuntu.com cert has expired?
[10:38] <ajmitch> probably
[10:38] <ajmitch> argh
[10:38] <ajmitch> it's so quiet here
[10:38] <ajmitch> I need music!
[10:40] <ajmitch> man, my niece is only a couple of months old & she's on media websites ;)
[10:40] <Treenaks> ajmitch: ?
[10:40] <ajmitch> Treenaks: http://taupo.morefm.co.nz/ at bottom
[10:41] <dholbach> who will look at debian-security-announce and request syncs before the release?
[10:41] <Treenaks> ajmitch: cool
[10:42] <ajmitch> dholbach: I can watch it, I can't guarantee I'll catch everything for syncs though
[10:42] <dholbach> ajmitch: there are quite a lot of old ones on the list
[10:43] <dholbach> ajmitch: shall we sit and brood over that list together at some time?
[10:43] <ajmitch> ok
[10:43] <ajmitch> I wasn't planning on any sleep in the next few days :P
[10:43] <dholbach> me neither :)
[10:43] <dholbach> ROCK
[10:43] <ajmitch> so.. many.. security holes
[10:44] <dholbach> everbody: ^ that's the attitude :)
[10:44] <crimsun> I'll join you as long as I can sleep for at least 4 hours right now.
[10:44] <dholbach> crimsun: sleep tight :)
[10:44] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/util-vserver/+bug/2815 <- should we compile it with gcc-3.4 because of the kernel patches?
[10:44] <crimsun> k
[10:44] <janimo> hey crimsun
[10:44] <ajmitch> \sh: yes
[10:44] <crimsun> janimo: hi, bbl
[10:44] <\sh> k...will do :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> I expect everyone to have fixed 100 bugs on malone by release day, ok?
[10:45] <\sh> hehe
[10:45] <ajmitch> now I know that some of us have a small headstart, but that shouldn't stop you ;)
[10:45] <ajmitch> yay, my karma went down today
[10:47] <TMM> does that online lintian at revu ever refresh its results?
[10:47] <dholbach> *cry* where do i change the "source package" in malone these days?
[10:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: hmm, which bug?
[10:48] <dholbach> 2744
[10:48] <ajmitch> gnome-system-tools
[10:49] <ajmitch> ugh
[10:49] <ajmitch> malone so wide..
[10:49] <dholbach> it's gnome-utils
[10:49] <ajmitch> doesn't even fit on 1280x1024
[10:49] <dholbach>  not g-s-t
[10:49] <ajmitch> right
[10:50] <ajmitch> that was an easy change?
[10:50] <ajmitch> just clicked on it, 'gnome-system-tools' was in a text entry area?
[10:51] <ajmitch> reassigned for you anyway
[10:52] <dholbach> i couldn't change it
[10:53] <ajmitch> very strange
[10:53] <ajmitch> I wouldn't have any more launchpad permissions than you
[10:54] <ajmitch> yay for tomboy
[10:54] <jsgotangco> err we have plone and zope?
[10:54] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: well yeah
[10:54] <ajmitch> why wouldn't we? :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> kobold did plone & zope packaging as his google SoC project
[10:55] <jsgotangco> ugghh i'd love a cig now
[10:56] <ajmitch> didn't think you smoked :)
[10:56] <jsgotangco> its a filthy habit that i can't seem to seprate myself with
[10:57] <jsgotangco> i just keep it to myself really
[10:57] <jsgotangco> that's our little secret =)
[10:57] <ajmitch> :)
[11:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: we have a problem
[11:05] <dholbach> hm?
[11:05] <ajmitch> num of bugs with qa contact of desktop team are going up on bugzilla
[11:05] <dholbach> absolutely
[11:05] <ajmitch> we must fix this
[11:05] <dholbach> :)))
[11:06] <ajmitch> malone has 487 of 1112 bugs open
[11:06] <ajmitch> fairly impressive
[11:06] <\sh> hmmm...does anyone know why linphone-common will not be build for amd64?
[11:07] <ajmitch> \sh: ask Mithrandir for access to his amd64 to test build?
[11:07] <\sh> ajmitch: I see why it's not build for amd64
[11:07] <\sh> only this package doesn't have a amd64 build-arch ;)
[11:07] <ajmitch> you asked why :)
[11:07] <\sh> or binary arch ;)
[11:08] <ajmitch> right..
[11:08] <ajmitch> debian doesn't have an official amd64, so probably due to that
[11:08] <\sh> yeah...I'll check it on ravel
[11:09] <\sh> Mithrandir: can u apt-get build-dep linphone on ravel breezy chroot? thx :)
[11:09] <\sh> ajmitch: no every other package had amd64 in it ;)
[11:11] <\sh> coffee...
[11:15] <Mithrandir> \sh: running
[11:16] <Mithrandir> \sh: .. and done
[11:16] <ajmitch> nice & quick
[11:17] <Mithrandir> ravel's a nice box
[11:20] <ajmitch> yay for manual 3-way merging
[11:23] <\sh> Mithrandir: thx
[11:24] <\sh> when those amd64 boxes will be cheaper, I would buy one..
[11:24] <Mithrandir> cheaper?  They're about the cheapest you can get.
[11:26] <\sh> Mithrandir: well...for me everything is expensive...I have to deal with ex-wife and son :) so money is a expensive resource ,-)
[11:26] <Lathiat> anyone on amd64?
[11:26] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: yes
[11:26] <Lathiat> can yo9u tell me if linphone-common is installable now?
[11:27] <ajmitch> Lathiat: that's what they've been working on :)
[11:27] <\sh> Lathiat: I'm working on it
[11:27] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: it's not
[11:28] <Lathiat> \sh: oh ok
[11:28] <Lathiat> i was just perusing through the bug list
[11:29] <Lathiat> tho
[11:29] <Lathiat> the build shwos as succesfull
[11:29] <Lathiat> so why isnt it there?
[11:30] <\sh> Lathiat: because linphone-common didn't have a "amd64" arch attached for this binary package
[11:30] <\sh> I changed it now...lets see
[11:30] <Lathiat> \sh: ah
[11:30] <Lathiat> tseng: whats the deal with mjyththemes
[11:30] <ajmitch> it probably just needs done
[11:32] <\sh> something for our german motus in here :) http://www.110-support.de/faq/index.php?action=artikel&cat=4&id=44&artlang=de :)
[11:33] <\sh> it's an answer to "ubuntu/kubuntu" social problems in the last days of the german ubuntu community :)
[11:33] <ajmitch> \sh: give us a translation!
[11:34] <\sh> well...in short
[11:35] <\sh> the point of a working social system in anarchic or natural communities is, that electricity is not existing
[11:35] <\sh> Because in our society (1st world countries) we try to solve any social problems with technique.
[11:36] <\sh> So, what we can learn from communities like the Zulu community?
[11:37] <\sh> Take the time for yourself, to listen to yourself, to better experience your environment. this, so the author, is called "positiv offline".
[11:38] <Treenaks> offline!??
[11:38] <Treenaks> you can't be offline
[11:39] <ajmitch> haha
[11:39] <\sh> If the twadriness of your personal thoughts is dimmed, then the differences between blue and brown is not important anymore
[11:41] <\sh> eventually you should try the "powerless thinking" in the darkness. The alternative can be, to wake up in the morning without electric lights, means let the day become lighter the natural way.
[11:41] <\sh> gnarf..it's too philosophical to translate it for me...
[11:41] <\sh> trying to get the author to translate it
[11:47] <\sh> does anybody has a mp4 file?
[11:47] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gst-ffmpeg/+bug/2776
[11:47] <\sh> ah i have :)
[11:50] <Lathiat> dholbach: still needing approval for ubuntu-bugs
[11:50] <dholbach> Lathiat: if you tell me how to fix mailman, i will gladly do
[11:50] <\sh> hmm...totem doesn't work for me
[11:51] <\sh> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, systemstream=(boolean)false, codec_data=(buffer)000001b001000001b58913000001000000012000c4f9616d8800cd0f042c1443000001b246466d706567302e342e392d707265316234373336, width=(int)480, height=(int)352, framerate=(double)25
[11:51] <\sh> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, systemstream=(boolean)false, codec_data=(buffer)000001b001000001b58913000001000000012000c4f9616d8800cd0f042c1443000001b246466d706567302e342e392d707265316234373336, width=(int)480, height=(int)352, framerate=(double)25
[11:51] <\sh> mplayer works, xine works
[11:54] <\sh> can someone confirm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gst-ffmpeg/+bug/2776 ?
[11:54] <ajmitch> I'll see if I have any .mp4 files still
[11:55] <ajmitch> :3:> gst-launch filesrc location=/mnt/new-home/ajmitch/tmp/ghost_car_ad.mp4 ! spider ! autovideosink
[11:55] <ajmitch> RUNNING pipeline ...
[11:55] <ajmitch> Execution ended after 2657 iterations (sum 217195000 ns, average 81744 ns, min 17000 ns, max 88190000 ns).
[11:56] <Treenaks> ajmitch: did it also show stuff?
[11:56] <ajmitch> not at all
[11:56] <Treenaks> instead of just giving you statistics
[11:57] <ajmitch> I've got totem-xine installed
[11:57] <ajmitch> so I can't check with that
[11:57] <ajmitch> but gst-launch didn't show anything
[11:58] <ajmitch> hmm, now I have to actually test openbox somehow ;)
[11:58] <\sh> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4, systemstream=(boolean)false, codec_data=(buffer)000001b001000001b58913000001000000012000c4f9616d8800cd0f042c1443000001b246466d706567302e342e392d707265316234373336, width=(int)480, height=(int)352, framerate=(double)25
[11:58] <\sh> ** Message: Couldn't initialize lirc.
[11:58] <Lathiat> if i've sent a bug upstream
[11:58] <\sh> this is what totem gives me...
[11:58] <Lathiat> what do i do to the bug
[11:58] <\sh> totem-gstreamer
[11:58] <Lathiat> is there some way to mark it as such?
[11:58] <ajmitch> Lathiat: on right hand side
[11:58] <ajmitch> 'Link to other bugtracker;
[11:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh theres no link to the berlios.de bugtracker
[11:59] <Lathiat> which i just filed a bug about
[11:59] <ajmitch> so add o ne
[11:59] <Lathiat> i mena, y ou cant link to it
[11:59] <Lathiat> and i cant type
[11:59] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugtrackers
[11:59] <ajmitch> neither can I
[12:00] <ajmitch> register bugtracker there
[12:00] <Lathiat> well, theres no bugtracke rtype for sf.net bugtrackers yet
[12:00] <ajmitch> so add it!
[12:00] <Lathiat> i mean
[12:00] <Lathiat> you can register one
[12:01] <Lathiat> but you cant give it ythe right type
[12:01] <Lathiat> because no ones written a sf.net importer
[12:01] <ajmitch> so complain ;)
[12:01] <Lathiat> i did
[12:01] <ajmitch> easiest way to get things done
[12:01] <Lathiat> bug 2886
[12:03] <ajmitch> gdm rocks, really
[12:03] <ajmitch> and I confirmed that 420 is fixed (yay for xinerama)
[12:05] <ajmitch> hi herzi
[12:05] <herzi> hi
[12:06] <ajmitch> hello spacey
[12:06] <spacey> hey ajmitch
[12:28] <tseng> Lathiat: i uploaded it and elmo said no
[12:29] <tseng> Lathiat: he said to sync it, but i guess he didnt take that step on his own
[12:29] <ajmitch> ah right
[12:29] <ajmitch> he said he could sync from anywhere that's public
[12:29] <tseng> yes
[12:36] <ajmitch> oh good, phpmyadmin built fine
[12:36] <tseng> good
[12:36] <tseng> i was getting rammy at work over it
[12:36] <ajmitch> since it was a security fix release
[12:39] <slomo_> hi all
[12:39] <tseng> is mdz doing rc?
[12:39] <tseng> hi slomo
[12:39] <ajmitch> yes
[12:40] <ajmitch> I don't think he's slept for a day or two
[12:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:40] <ajmitch> 6 months have gone by so fast
[12:41] <jsgotangco> heh true
[12:41] <jsgotangco> 6 months or irc lurking as well
[12:41] <ajmitch> oh I do that so well
[12:41] <ajmitch> as you can tell my bu #ubuntu-doc presence ;)
[12:42] <ajmitch> or non-presence at the moment
[12:44] <ajmitch> yay, 180K/sec
[12:44] <tseng> is the torrent up
[12:44] <tseng> i like to use that
[12:45] <tseng> http://releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[12:45] <tseng> ^ is this it
[12:45] <tseng> yes
[12:45] <ajmitch> no torrent yet
[12:45] <ajmitch> BT is usually far slower for me
[12:46] <tseng> yes, but it doesnt leave everyone beating on the same pipes
[12:46] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:46] <tseng> which i imagine is the same reason we feel a moral obligation to use shitty software like apt-proxy
[12:46] <tseng> :P
[12:48] <tseng> i should figure out how to net install this sparc box in the living room
[12:48] <tseng> 1ghz iirc
[12:48] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm going to do a new install on the laptop
[12:48] <tseng> after work
[12:49] <ajmitch> and then convert it to an selinux frankenstein after release
[12:49] <tseng> hm elite
[12:50] <Lathiat> tseng: ok, will you take care of that?
[12:50] <tseng> Lathiat: i tried, my mail server disagreed
[12:51] <tseng> port 25 filtered this week or something
[12:51] <Lathiat> heh
[12:51] <tseng> can you please mail him
[12:51] <tseng> with a url to mdz's hoary sources
[12:51] <tseng> ask for myththemes sync
[12:52] <Lathiat> tseng: can you give me the url?
[12:52] <Lathiat> tseng: and why isnt it a sync from debian?
[12:52] <tseng> because its not in debian?
[12:52] <Lathiat> ah
[12:52] <Lathiat> wheres it come from?
[12:52] <tseng> http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/hoary/mythtv/source/
[12:53] <Lathiat> what about mythplugins and mjythtv from there
[12:53] <ajmitch> done already
[01:12] <ajmitch> night all
[01:22] <pef> hello
[01:23] <slomo> hi pef
[02:53] <Kyral> G'Morning
[02:53] <Amaranth> morning
[02:54] <Kyral> After reading dholbach's MOTU report part of me thinks we should form a MOTU-In-Training Team or something like that ;P
[02:54] <dholbach> Kyral: with some mentors for that team?
[02:55] <Kyral> Yah!
[02:55] <dholbach> we should think about that
[02:55] <dholbach> we had the topic already 2-3 times
[02:55] <dholbach> and i hope from the new release on, we'll be big enough to face such a challenge and maybe do it some other way
[02:56] <Kyral> Its like what the COSI is doing. Older experianced members taking the new kids under their wings
[02:56] <dholbach> we need to figure out the problems accurately to make a good solution
[02:56] <dholbach> i mean, our "training" is not really broken
[02:56] <Kyral> lol
[02:56] <dholbach> but if we can improve it, we must identify if there's something wrong
[02:56] <Kyral> Yah good point
[02:57] <dholbach> we should have a wiki page which collects ideas on this
[02:58] <dholbach> so we can make it RIGHT
[02:58] <Nafallo> dholbach: just go for the BOF-spec ;-)
[02:58] <Kyral> Damn I won't be able to attend BOFs at UBZ
[02:59] <Kyral> I only have enough time for Ubuntu Love
[02:59] <Amaranth> whats a good place to look to figure out what all these dh_* helper scripts do?
[02:59] <Kyral> man ;P
[02:59] <dholbach> Amaranth: man dh_bla
[02:59] <dholbach> the manpages are really good
[03:00] <Amaranth> dholbach: any websites?
[03:01] <dholbach> Amaranth: the links on PackagingTips maybe?
[03:01] <Amaranth> ooh, the wiki finally has useful info ;)
[03:01] <dholbach> Amaranth: how can i reproduce or see if the fix works (wrt #15636)
[03:01] <dholbach> Amaranth: without the fix smeg works for me
[03:03] <Amaranth> dholbach: after you've messed with stuff in smeg, open up ~/.config/menus/applications.menu, add <MergeFile>/foo/bar.menu</MergeFile> right after the existing <MergeFile> tag
[03:03] <Amaranth> then run smeg without the patch and run it again with the patch
[03:06] <dholbach> Amaranth: hrm
[03:06] <dholbach> Amaranth: that works without the patch :/
[03:06] <dholbach> maybe i didnt mess enough with smeg
[03:06] <Amaranth> err
[03:06] <Amaranth> odd, it should fail due to a missing file
[03:06] <dholbach> should the 2nd MergeFile be nested in the 1st?
[03:06] <Amaranth> no
[03:07] <dholbach> ok, that's what i thought
[03:07] <dholbach> just wanted to be sure
[03:07] <Amaranth> pyxdg tries to load "/foo/bar.menu" in a try/except, catchs the IOError exception, and throws it's own ParsingError("File not found") exception
[03:07] <dholbach> gets silently irgnored
[03:07] <dholbach> nothing in the console at all
[03:08] <Amaranth> it shouldn't without the patch... :/
[03:09] <Amaranth> ok, try tossing that <MergeFile> line in /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
[03:11] <dholbach> still works
[03:11] <Amaranth> o_O
[03:11] <Amaranth> did seb128 already upload a fixed pyxdg?
[03:12] <dholbach> no
[03:12] <dholbach> the patch cleanly applied
[03:12] <dholbach> and from what i saw there should at least be a warning, shouldnt it?
[03:12] <Amaranth> hrm
[03:12] <Amaranth> it should die completely, i don't start the gtk mainloop until after i've loaded the menu file so the exception stops execution
[03:13] <Amaranth> unless i changed that...
[03:13] <Amaranth> but it will still throw the exception, the app just wouldn't die
[03:14] <dholbach> i moved the applications.menu file away
[03:14] <dholbach> didnt matter
[03:14] <Amaranth> wow
[03:15] <Amaranth> the <MergeFile> line you added doesn't have type="parent", does it?
[03:15] <dholbach> i tried both
[03:15] <Amaranth> hrm
[03:15] <Amaranth> well, i have to get to class, i might be able to talk more once i start working on assignments
[03:17] <wickedpuppy> hi guys ... i got problem importing gpg key into the launchpad ... any help ?
[03:17] <dholbach> #launchpad :)
[03:18] <dholbach> these guys are experts :)
[03:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:21] <Gervystar> is there any svg related bug? I could not find any on bugzilla
[03:21] <Gervystar> if I use the postmodern.svg theme in mahjong i see some broken graphics
[03:22] <dholbach> Gervystar: yes, there are, just search for svg
[03:23] <dholbach> and there are quite a lot of duplicates too
[03:24] <Gervystar> dholbach: oh just seen them. Something analogue to mine has already been reported upstream
[03:25] <dholbach> yes, i should think so
[03:27] <Gervystar> looks like it has also been fixed upstream, so I think it's just a matter of time for a new package to come in. Nice :)
[03:49] <tseng> \sh: ping
[03:50] <tseng> or bddebian
[03:50] <bddebian> Yo
[03:50] <tseng> if anyone could help me fix libapache2-mod-auth-kerb
[03:50] <tseng> it would be a major help
[03:50] <tseng> its ftbfs looking like gcc4 hate
[03:50] <bddebian> What's wrong with it?
[03:50] <bddebian> Ahh
[03:51] <bddebian> Give me a bit and I'll "try"
[03:51] <tseng> In file included from spnegokrb5/asn1_MechType.c:9:
[03:51] <tseng> spnegokrb5/spnego_asn1.h:102: error: array type has incomplete element type
[03:51] <tseng> something like this
[03:51] <tseng> thanks dude
[03:51] <dredg> i would but don't have the time. diamond understands kerberos real well though, so i've asked him
[03:51] <tseng> its not a kerberos problem, its a C problem :)
[03:52] <dredg> yeah, he knows C too
[03:52] <\sh> tseng: pong
[03:52] <dredg> damn his eyes
[03:52] <tseng> elite
[03:52] <tseng> \sh: bddebian will take the case
[03:52] <tseng> :)
[03:52] <bddebian> Heh, you'd probably be better off with \sh ;-)
[03:53] <tseng> you are more presistant
[03:53] <\sh> well..anybody should explain to me, why linphone-common is not hitting the archives for amd64
[03:53] <bddebian> \sh: Did it build OK this time?
[03:53] <\sh> bddebian: yes
[03:53] <Nafallo> \sh: p-a-s?
[03:53] <slomo> \sh: pas? dep-wait? or is it already built for amd64?
[03:53] <\sh> bddebian: I added amd64 for the arch of linphone-common...but i don't see it in the archive
[03:54] <\sh> lets check
[03:54] <bddebian> \sh: It says installed.  Is it NEW for amd64?
[03:54] <\sh> universe/sound/linphone_1.0.1-6ubuntu7: Installed by buildd+yellow [optional:out-of-date] 
[03:54] <bddebian> Yep :)
[03:54] <\sh> bddebian: what kamion told me, it's not arch dependent
[03:54] <\sh> so it should be installed
[03:54] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:55] <\sh> it build successfully on amd64 btw...and the package as well there
[03:55] <\sh> well...I will  take care about this problem..after I bought the present for my son
[03:55] <slomo> hrm, still no eclipse for amd64 :(
[03:56] <\sh> ok...later guys
[03:58] <bddebian> Later \sh
[04:05] <wickedpuppy> hi guys got a question ... suppose i would like to port a program from another distro to ubuntu .. how would  i go about doing that ?
[04:08] <wickedpuppy> any help ?
[04:23] <bddebian> wickedpuppy: What Distro?  RPMs you can convert with alien.  Or you can always just grab upstream and package :-)
[04:23] <wickedpuppy> oh i am thinking of getting gentoo genkernel to ubuntu
[04:24] <tseng> oh wow
[04:24] <wickedpuppy> i worked with it before .. its just scripts so i thought i start with something easy
[04:26] <bddebian> tseng: Uploading my pbuilder now to try mod-auth-kerb :-)
[04:26] <tseng> bddebian: yay
[04:27] <bddebian> tseng: But you are putting far too much faith in me ;-)
[04:27] <tseng> dude i need it
[04:27] <tseng> and i dont speak GCC4
[04:27] <bipolar> you know you're a geek when you disassemle a busted nextel phone and save the LCD screen in the hopes it can be used for a display on some unknown future project.
[04:27] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:28] <tseng> bddebian: i have faith
[04:30] <bddebian> bipolar: Yes you are a geek ;-)
[04:30] <bddebian> bipolar: BTW, Kamion put through the libchipcard2* and libofx* stuff
[04:30] <bipolar> bddebian, cool! so the new gnucash is on its way now?
[04:31] <bddebian> bipolar: SHould be
[04:34] <Amaranth> dholbach: figure anything out?
[04:34] <fredix> hi
[04:34] <blueyed> hi. dholbach told me I should sync "scponly" myself from Debian for breezy. There are security fixes, so this is o.k. - but I don't know where to start. Could someone point me at the most appropriate site in the wiki?
[04:34] <blueyed> Should I use pbuilder?
[04:34] <Amaranth> dholbach: all i know is this is the fix the author made and it fixed the problem for the user having it
[04:37] <fredix> i have a big bug with ruby-gnome2 into breezy
[04:37] <fredix> breezy should upgrade RG2 to 0.13
[04:37] <fredix> is it possible ?
[04:42] <zakame> hi all
[04:43] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:44] <zakame> hi bddebian ! =)
[04:50] <slomo> fredix: what bug?
[04:50] <tseng> bddebian: any luck?
[04:51] <bddebian> tseng: Just got the source sorry.  I'm trying to get the gnucash deps in too..
[04:53] <Lathiat> bddebian: your a powerhouse
[04:53] <bddebian> Yeah right :-(
[04:53] <bddebian> :-)
[04:53] <lucas> hi
[04:56] <bddebian> Hello lucas
[05:01] <lucas> let's say something is horribly broken in breezy currently. I understand breezy will release with it. but what are the post-release options ?
[05:02] <bddebian> tseng: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=300810 fixes it for me
[05:03] <fredix> slomo, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1312439&group_id=53614&atid=470969
[05:03] <tseng> bddebian: woo
[05:04] <slomo> fredix: i'll look at it
[05:04] <bddebian> bipolar: The deps are in now so gnucash should show up soon
[05:10] <dholbach> Amaranth: what about you? still crashes without it?
[05:10] <dholbach> blueyed: i didnt tell you to sync, but to investigate, if it was alright/built in breezy/works in breezy/doesnt break other stuff
[05:10] <markuman> ive got a question to the selflinux package. there is in the debian folder a file called selflinux.installer for extracting folders "bilder/* usr/share/doc/selflinux/html/bilder/" but there is nothing in the rules file. how does it work???
[05:10] <Amaranth> dholbach: i never tried it, i didn't have access to an ubuntu machine when i made the patch
[05:11] <dholbach> Amaranth: i see :(
[05:11] <Amaranth> dholbach: pyxdg author says "this fixes it", i make a diff and look it over, then send it
[05:11] <dholbach> i see
[05:11] <ivoks> hi
[05:11] <Amaranth> i'd say to apply just because it can only help
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[05:16] <tseng> bddebian: i think this might work :(
[05:16] <tseng> bddebian: :)
[05:17] <fredix> slomo, thanks !
[05:18] <bddebian> tseng: Awesome
[05:18] <slomo> fredix: should be doable ;)
[05:18] <bddebian> bipolar: Still around?
[05:24] <tseng> bddebian: would you sign and upload this for me?
[05:24] <tseng> bddebian: i dont keep my key at work
[05:24] <bddebian> tseng: Sure
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[05:24] <Lathiat> is that because the universe bugs stuff is being moderated atm?
[05:25] <dholbach> Lathiat: it always was moderated
[05:25] <Lathiat> dholbach: i mean, beacuse its not allowing the bug messages through
[05:25] <bddebian> Lathiat: Yes
[05:25] <dholbach> but then the mail type switched, and now i can't look at the "From:" line, now it's the "Reply-To:" line
[05:25] <Lathiat> right
[05:26] <bddebian> bipolar: Wake up man.. :)
[05:26] <fredix> slomo, to upgrade RG2 into breezy ?
[05:26] <slomo> fredix: yes
[05:26] <dholbach> i'm no pro at mailman configuration, so if somebody can help with that...
[05:26] <fredix> slomo, my friend ! :P
[05:26] <Lathiat> who is it that gives out access to an amd64 machine?
[05:26] <Lathiat> or can someone try build oprofile on amd64 for me
[05:26] <dholbach> Lathiat: i'll try
[05:27] <Whistler> hello
[05:27] <Lathiat> its listed as ANAIS in packages-arch-specific but i see signs it works fine on amd64
[05:27] <Lathiat> and it compiles on ia64
[05:28] <Lathiat> i figure it sjust left out because amd64 wasn't really supported much on debian until recently
[05:32] <dholbach> Lathiat: amd64 is listed in the control file
[05:32] <dholbach> Lathiat: i'd ask elmo, if it's in the amd64-blacklist
[05:32] <dholbach> or however that file is called
[05:32] <Lathiat> dholbach: its in packages-arch-specific
[05:32] <Lathiat> dholbach: with a list, that doesn't have amd64
[05:32] <Lathiat> dholbach: i was going to get it added, but i want to see if it builds first
[05:33] <Lathiat> (i figure its not there because its imported from debian and amd64 stuff is new to debian main)
[05:33] <Whistler> any guide of how to make ubuntu packages?
[05:33] <tseng> bddebian: http://tseng.ath.cx/libapache/
[05:33] <dholbach> Lathiat: thanks for that
[05:33] <tseng> bddebian: THANKS
[05:33] <tseng> bddebian: (hugs)
[05:34] <dholbach> :)
[05:35] <dholbach> Lathiat: builds nicely
[05:35] <dholbach> Lathiat: go ahead! :)
[05:35] <Lathiat> dholbach: okie
[05:35] <dholbach> judging from http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html we have some packages to fix
[05:35] <bddebian> dholbach: Wow, tseng is talking to me, I MUST be moving up in the world. ;-)
[05:35] <dholbach> :-D
[05:35] <bddebian> dholbach: :-(
[05:35] <dholbach> bddebian: you're the king... you begin to realize :)
[05:36] <bddebian> Oh no, not king
[05:36] <ivoks> :)
[05:36] <slomo> dholbach: you mean the mass give-back? many of them were ftbfs because the chroots were broken by haskell-cabal...
[05:36] <dholbach> oh nice :)
[05:36] <bddebian> slomo: Well fix it.. ;-P
[05:36] <Whistler> any guide of how to make ubuntu packages?
[05:37] <slomo> dholbach: i made it uninstallable yesterday... must be removed anyway... but can you please request another rebuild of everything?
[05:37] <bddebian> Whistler: The Debian New Maintainers Guide is a good starting point
[05:37] <dholbach> rebuild of everything?
[05:37] <dholbach> test-rebuild?
[05:38] <dholbach> i could cry - the archive just got test-rebuilt - the old lists are gone :(
[05:38] <slomo> dholbach: or whatever that was yesterday... looked like everything that failed before was retried
[05:38] <dholbach> slomo: a lot of stuff i uploaded just worked
[05:38] <dholbach> slomo: what has to be given-back will be given-back
[05:39] <slomo> ok
[05:39] <bddebian> tseng: Just amd64 changes?
[05:39] <tseng> bddebian: i did an -S, im not sure where it went
[05:39] <tseng> sorry
[05:40] <tseng>  i think you can just do an -S on top of me
[05:40] <tseng> and it will fix that
[05:40] <bddebian> OK, np
[05:40] <tseng> if its not too much trouble
[05:40] <tseng> thank you
[05:41] <tseng> at work my application is now using krb5, ldap, and htpasswd for auth :(
[05:41] <tseng> in different places
[05:42] <bddebian> tseng: Uploaded
[05:43] <Lathiat> you know what motu needs
[05:43] <Lathiat> the ability to assign a bug to both a person and a team
[05:43] <Lathiat> so MOTU bugs can be assigned to me, but as part of the motu team
[05:43] <bddebian> Lathiat: Aye
[05:45] <Lathiat> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/2903
[05:46] <slomo> fredix: can you please notify me if this fixes your problem? i'll upload it in a few minutes
[05:48] <tseng> bddebian: woo
[05:48] <bddebian> Lathiat: :-)
[05:49] <bipolar> bddebian, the new libofx2 has a file conflict with libofx1c. are you aware of this issue?
[05:49] <tseng> bddebian: its accepted
[05:50] <bddebian> bipolar: ??
[05:50] <bipolar> it's easy enough to manualy work around
[05:50] <bddebian> bipolar: I didn't get that
[05:50] <bipolar> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libofx.la', which is also in package libofx1c2
[05:50] <bddebian> Ahh
[05:50] <bddebian> I hate those
[05:51] <fredix> slomo, ok i'll test
[05:52] <bipolar> bddebian, is it something that needs to be fixed or just worked around?
[05:59] <bddebian> bipolar: Quite honestly I don't know how to fix it properly.  Maybe a conflicts: or replaces: ??
[06:06] <bipolar> bddebian, replaces I would think
[06:07] <bipolar> bddebian, and a matching "provides: libofx1c2" perhaps. I'm not exactly sure how that one works.
[06:14] <bddebian> bipolar: But the better question is:  Does it work? :-)
[06:17] <bipolar> bddebian, the new gnucash has not come in yet, so I can't tell.
[06:18] <bddebian> bipolar: I have it.  Did you apt-get update? ;-)
[06:18] <bipolar> bddebian, yeah.
[06:18] <dholbach> who makes a list of all the packages in the buldlogs that FTBFS? :)
[06:18] <bipolar> gnucash: Depends: libofx1c2 but it is not installed
[06:18] <bddebian> dholbach: No one. :-(  We need one
[06:18] <diamond> lo folks
[06:18] <bddebian> Hello diamond
[06:18] <dholbach> hey diamond
[06:18] <dholbach> nice to see you
[06:18] <bipolar> looks like it's still the old gnucash that uses libofx1c2
[06:18] <diamond> dholbach: got your mail ,-)
[06:19] <dholbach> ROCK :)))))
[06:19] <dholbach> *happy*
[06:19] <bddebian> bipolar: Is it trying to get 1.8.10.18??
[06:19] <diamond> hehe
[06:19] <diamond> dholbach: i've been flat out busy for the past 4 months, but as of last week i finally have some time
[06:19] <dholbach> that's nice to hear
[06:19] <dholbach> really :)
[06:19] <diamond> hehe
[06:19] <bipolar> gnucash: Depends: gnucash-common (>= 1.8.10-18) but 1.8.9-4ubuntu3 is to be installed
[06:19] <bipolar> heh
[06:20] <bddebian> Ack
[06:20] <dholbach> who will help me make a list of security syncs we have to do from debian later today?
[06:20] <bddebian> That isn't right either.  gnucash-common 1.8.10-18 is there??
[06:21] <dholbach> ajmitch wanted to help on that one, but later today, he will have morning and go to work :)
[06:21] <bipolar> bddebian, it's the libofx problem. I've got to -f it.
[06:21] <bipolar> it's downloading the new packages now
[06:21] <dholbach> bddebian: if you get some organisation into the mess of FTBFS, that's nice too :)
[06:22] <bddebian> dholbach: I asked someone to write a script a while back but they never finished :'-(
[06:22] <dholbach> *nod*
[06:23] <bipolar> bddebian, there are other packages that are still using libofx1c2 I think. we need a conflicts between the two
[06:23] <bddebian> bipolar: grisbi and kmymoney2?
[06:23] <bipolar> grisbi for sure.
[06:24] <\sh> re
[06:24] <bddebian> wb \sh
[06:25] <bddebian> \sh or dholbach: Any thoughts on what bipolar is saying?  Should libofx2 have replaces: or conflicts: for libofx1c2 ?
[06:25] <hubH> dholbach: your sistah looks hawt :-)
[06:26] <Lathiat> i keep thinking your talking about libfox
[06:26] <ivoks> omg! LOL!
[06:26] <Lathiat> and that you keep typoing it
[06:26] <ivoks> did anyone try deskbar?! :)
[06:26] <Lathiat> ivoks: yeh
[06:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: insert "b" in it :)
[06:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: check out what it offers :)
[06:26] <Lathiat> lol
[06:26] <ivoks> :))
[06:27] <\sh> bddebian: hmmm...
[06:27] <dholbach> hubH: HAHA, i will tell her :)
[06:27] <dholbach> bddebian: wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html; html2text -nobs today.html | grep failed | cut -d'_' -f1 | uniq
[06:27] <dholbach>      could be a start for a script
[06:27] <bddebian> SOmeone has a hot sister?? :-)
[06:27] <\sh> dholbach: make her a MOTUness ,-)
[06:27] <bddebian> dholbach: Nice, OK
[06:28] <bddebian> dholbach: Is today enough though?  I was thinking of interrogating the by arch lists?
[06:28] <\sh> bddebian: is it replacing libofx1c2?
[06:28] <dholbach> bddebian: today quite alot failed
[06:28] <bddebian> \sh: I "think" so :-)
[06:28] <dholbach> bddebian: we might have to diff between newly generated and old lists from time to time
[06:29] <dholbach> bddebian: it's just to NOT loose track of stuff we have to fix
[06:30] <bddebian> Holy crap
[06:35] <bddebian> dholbach: Egads, who the hell is gonna work on all this brokenness? :-(
[06:35] <dholbach> we all
[06:35] <bddebian> dholbach: You have a mouse in your pocket? ;-P
[06:35] <dholbach> we will make breezy release rock so flawlessly
[06:35] <Lathiat> what brokenness?
[06:35] <bddebian> Lathiat: FTBFSs
[06:35] <dholbach> Lathiat: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[06:36] <bddebian> \sh: Did you ever get a chance to look at xgsmlib again or is it just unfixable?
[06:36] <Lathiat> ah yes
[06:36] <\sh> bddebian: I think it's more an upstream problem...there is more
[06:36] <Lathiat> i noticed the logs were a sea of red
[06:36] <Lathiat> are we doing test rebuilds?
[06:36] <dholbach> Lathiat: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test
[06:37] <dholbach> the problem is: when the stuff was built, it got rebuild
[06:37] <dholbach> -> no logs :-(
[06:37] <Lathiat> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/buildlogs/
[06:37] <Lathiat> ^i salso usefull
[06:37] <\sh> mitsuhiko: pingeling...
[06:37] <Lathiat> i swear all of universe is failing to build :)
[06:37] <dholbach> we could weasle it all out of the [a-z]  dirs
[06:37] <mitsuhiko> \sh: pongelingelong
[06:38] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/[a-z] 
[06:38] <\sh> mitsuhiko: explain to this group of motus your idea of offline wiki package...
[06:38] <ogra> Lathiat, my buildlogs only reads lamonts file ... if stuff is missing there, it wont appear on my site
[06:38] <\sh> mitsuhiko: and if it's ok, if we try to generate a real package out of it and push it to universe
[06:38] <mitsuhiko> ouch
[06:39] <\sh> mitsuhiko: gotcha ,-)
[06:39] <mitsuhiko> \sh: a real package is not the problem
[06:39] <mitsuhiko> we (german community) are going to switch to moinmoin
[06:39] <mitsuhiko> and i've written a little script which creates static html pages of all existing moin pages
[06:39] <Lathiat> dholbach: i dont quite get the missing log thing?
[06:40] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists
[06:40] <dholbach> that's where logs were
[06:40] <mitsuhiko> you can fetch a copy via rsync or a pseudo deb package which runs rsync
[06:40] <dholbach> (after the test-rebuild was done)
[06:40] <Lathiat> oh and they got overwrote?
[06:40] <dholbach> yes
[06:40] <Lathiat> oops
[06:40] <mitsuhiko> \sh: the problem creating a univese package is that it's not easy to update it
[06:40] <dholbach> but we could weasle the information out of the http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/[a-z]  dirs
[06:41] <Lathiat> hrm
[06:41] <Lathiat> 36configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../..
[06:41] <Lathiat> what causes that
[06:41] <\sh> mitsuhiko: well....something like an update manager?
[06:41] <\sh> mitsuhiko: think about rolling it out to other wikis of the ubuntu community
[06:41] <mitsuhiko> \sh: sure. i've rewritten the whole script so that it can work with each moinmoin installation
[06:41] <dholbach> Lathiat: i think it's gets placed by aclocal (any of the crazy auto* tools)
[06:42] <dholbach> Lathiat: you might have to re-run one of those
[06:43] <Lathiat> dholbach: well, it appears to exist
[06:43] <mitsuhiko> \sh: maybe we can add a small menu button "Update MoinMoin Snapshot" or something like this
[06:43] <dholbach> Lathiat: autoconf stuff broken?
[06:44] <Lathiat> dunno, i'll try locally
[06:44] <dholbach> Lathiat: run in a separate copy   autoreconf -i  to be sure, it's just a "reconfiguration" thing
[06:44] <dholbach> hubH: got my logs?
[06:44] <\sh> mitsuhiko: hmmm...think a bit bigger as normal :) I know u r modest :)
[06:45] <mitsuhiko> \sh: lol
[06:48] <bddebian> bipolar: Does it work?
[06:49] <bipolar> bddebian, looks like it. I can see the items from the qfx file
[06:50] <bddebian> bipolar: Nice
[06:50] <hubH> dholbach: yeah.
[06:50] <hubH> dholbach: so one is not building. looks like I miss a dependency
[06:50] <hubH> dholbach: and that the Mono thing
[06:51] <hubH> ....
[06:51] <slomo> hubH: ?
[06:51] <dholbach> hubH: oh i see
[06:52] <hubH> slomo: the only reason I work on the package is because of the tool itself, not because it is written in C#
[06:52] <\sh> bddebian: libofx2 if it's really upgrading libofx1c2 then put conflict/replaces in it..check the rdepends :)
[06:53] <slomo> hubH: what package is it? i'm a bit bored atm so maybe i can help you ;)
[06:53] <hubH> slomo: on REVU, autopano-sift. No biggie, I think I know
[06:53] <bddebian> bipolar: You didn't get any error about libgw-wct.so on startup did you?
[06:53] <hubH> slomo: but worse: it crash, and I haven't heard from upstream
[06:54] <slomo> hubH: oh... so don't bother until upstream fixed it ;) how does it crash?
[06:55] <hubH> slomo: badly
[06:55] <slomo> hubH: have a backtrace?
[06:56] <hubH> slomo: not here
[06:56] <hubH> slomo: wait a sec.
[06:56] <hubH> now that my TODO list as one major item less
[06:57] <Lathiat> bddebian: i swear i saw that new gnome-launch-box uploaded before
[06:57] <bddebian> Lathiat: Really?
[06:57] <Lathiat> i mean ic ant see it
[06:57] <Lathiat> but i thought it was
[06:57] <Lathiat> maybe i was thinking of quick-lounge-applet
[06:58] <hubH> slomo: first, the error is mcs /debug /unsafe /target:library /out:libsift.dll \
[06:58] <hubH> 	ImageMap.cs KDTree.cs ScaleSpace.cs SimpleMatrix.cs ImageMatchModel.cs RANSAC.cs Transform.cs LoweDetector.cs GaussianConvolution.cs KeypointXML.cs MatchKeys.cs BondBall.cs AreaFilter.cs /pkg:gtk-sharp /r:System.Drawing /r:ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib
[06:58] <hubH> error CS8027: Couldn't run pkg-config: Cannot find the specified file
[06:58] <hubH> slomo: and I don't know why
[06:58] <Lathiat> hubH: whats that from?
[06:59] <hubH> Lathiat: pbuilder
[06:59] <Lathiat> but from what app
[06:59] <slomo> hubH: build-depend on libgtk-cil
[06:59] <hubH> Lathiat: autopano-sift
[06:59] <hubH> slomo: Build-Depends-Indep: cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1), debhelper (>= 4.1.0), cli-common (>= 0.2.0),  mono-mcs (>= 1.0.4) | c-sharp-compiler, mono-classlib-1.0 (>= 1.0), libgtk-cil (>= 1.0), libglade-cil (>= 1.0)
[06:59] <hubH> slomo: so already
[06:59] <slomo> hm
[07:01] <bipolar> bddebian, sorry for the delay. nope. I saw none of those kinds of errors. ofx warnings when importing, yes...
[07:03] <hubH> slomo: maybe depend on pkg-config?
[07:03] <slomo> hubH: when it isn't pulled in already... yes
[07:04] <hubH> slomo: ok, so I will
[07:04] <hubH> slomo: shouldn't libgtk-cil depends on it?
[07:04] <bddebian> bipolar: ofx warnings or errors?
[07:05] <hubH> or msc
[07:05] <hubH> mcs
[07:06] <slomo> hubH: yes... would be better... but i think there were reasons not to do so... i'll talk to tseng about that later
[07:06] <slomo> does it work now?
[07:07] <hubH> slomo: don't know yet. these are logs from pbuilder. It works here
[07:07] <hubH> slomo: installing pbuilder
[07:08] <bipolar> bddebian, Error: ofx_proc_transaction_cb: WRITEME: Gnucash ofx_proc_transaction():Add PAYEE and ADRESS here once supported by libofx!
[07:08] <bipolar> I have no idea what it means.
[07:09] <bddebian> Eeks
[07:11] <hubH> is it to be expected that pbuilder do not know about ubuntu distributions?
[07:12] <jamessan|work> hubH: are you installing it on an Ubuntu system?
[07:13] <hubH> jamessan|work: yeah
[07:13] <Yagisan> hubH: Ubuntu's pbuilder knows - Debian'd doesn't
[07:13] <hubH> Yagisan: I'm running breezy
[07:14] <Yagisan> hubH: Me too - I just build i386 and amd64
[07:14] <Yagisan> hubH: Did you adjust pbuilderrc to tell it to look for Ubuntu and not Debian ?
[07:14] <hubH> no
[07:14] <hubH> I just used the default configuration :-/
[07:15] <Yagisan> hubH: then it tried to install Debian from the Japan mirror :)
[07:18] <jamessan|work> hubH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:21] <hubH> jamessan|work: yeah, I just got that one
[07:22] <hubH> jamessan|work: doing it now
[07:31] <\sh> re
[07:32] <bddebian> wb \sh
[07:32] <Yagisan> ubuntu also have an ia64 port ?
[07:33] <Lathiat> yes but i beleive its sortof unofficial atm
[07:34] <Yagisan> Lathiat: that can run i386 binaries can't it ?
[07:37] <\sh> bddebian: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1-0x1,5518000000056p-1350.8.0-3ubuntu1_i386.deb: versuche /usr/lib/libofx.la zu berschreiben, welches auch in Paket libofx1c2 ist
[07:37] <\sh> sorry...it tries to overwrite libofx.la ;)
[07:37] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[07:39] <bipolar> bddebian, it looks like everything imported just fine from my qfx file.
[07:39] <bipolar> bddebian, I can't find any mistakes
[07:39] <bddebian> bipolar: Kick ass, thank you
[07:39] <bddebian> bipolar: BTW, did it add a GNOME menu item properly?
[07:40] <\sh> bddebian: fix it ;)
[07:40] <bddebian> \sh: Fix what?  The libofx thing?
[07:40] <\sh> yes
[07:40] <bipolar> bddebian, er...no, it didn't.... :\
[07:40] <\sh> it breaks upgrades
[07:40] <bddebian> OK.  Just Replaces: libofx1c2 ?
[07:41] <\sh> it think it conflicts/replaces libofx1c2 so it can overwrite it correctly
[07:41] <\sh> but I'm really not sure...
[07:42] <Lathiat> Yagisan: no idea, probably not, iirc itantium is totally different to x86
[07:43] <\sh> bddebian: what says debian?
[07:43] <Riddell> bddebian: new kmymoney in?
[07:43] <bddebian> Riddell: Just added --with-aqbanking back in
[07:43] <Riddell> sounds good, whatever it is
[07:44] <bddebian> Riddell: Dunno but it was a bug on Malone and it was commented out in rules.  I think it needed the newer aqbanking stuff I just synced the other day
[07:46] <Yagisan> Lathiat: from memory I thought it could - it's just I'm writing a small patch for ltsp to optionally create i386 chroots
[07:46] <Yagisan> and I'd like to make sure if I should include ia64 as well as amd64. I was hoping for confirmation - oh well - it can wait
[07:46] <Yagisan> until tommorow
[07:47] <Lathiat> no idea sorry
[07:48] <Yagisan> Lathiat: no worries - thanks anyway
[07:51] <Lathiat> night all
[07:51] <bddebian> Gnight Lathiat
[07:53] <tseng> bddebian: oops
[07:53] <tseng> bddebian: i screwed something up on that package, will look later
[07:53] <bddebian> tseng: OK, let me know if you need anything
[07:53] <tseng> i will do it after work
[07:55] <Yagisan> Goodnight Lathiat
[08:16] <StoneTable> bddebian:  thanks for applying my patches to gnome-launch-box!
[08:17] <bddebian> StoneTable: No problem, thanks for sending them.  Though it didn't build on the buildd :-(
[08:17] <StoneTable> :(
[08:17] <slomo> bddebian: why?
[08:17] <bddebian> slomo: Can't find install.sh in ../ .../.. SOme crap?? :-(
[08:17] <Lathiat> bddebian: yeh i saw that
[08:17] <StoneTable> ahh
[08:17] <Lathiat> nfi why
[08:18] <StoneTable> I think I remember seeing something like that when I first pulled from their svn
[08:18] <Lathiat> i tried to build it locally and it didn't exhibit that problem
[08:18] <slomo> hm
[08:18] <bddebian> StoneTable: Yeah, I had to run ./autogen.sh first
[08:19] <hubH> dholbach: this time it builds in pbuilder :-)
[08:19] <dholbach> rock
[08:19] <dholbach> super :)
[08:19] <slomo> bddebian: i have an idea... let me look at it ;)
[08:19] <dholbach> i'll do a bunch of review later
[08:19] <hubH> dholbach: I have to upload it first
[08:20] <bddebian> slomo: Rocking, thanks man
[08:20] <dholbach> take your time
[08:20] <bddebian> dholbach: Reviews?? Get fixin' damnit. ;-P
[08:20] <crimsun> dholbach: how's the debian-*-announce coming along?
[08:20] <dholbach> crimsun: not started working yet, will do later
[08:20] <crimsun> k.
[08:20] <slomo> bddebian: yes... you made a broken tarball it seems :(
[08:20] <ivoks> 'evening
[08:21] <bddebian> slomo: How the hell did I do that?
[08:21] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[08:21] <ivoks> hey!
[08:21] <slomo> bddebian: you didn't do make dist or something similar but just put the directory in a tarball...
[08:21] <hubH> dholbach: it is now :-)
[08:21] <dholbach> <- phone
[08:21] <slomo> bddebian: now we have links for install.sh, etc... and .svn directories... and everything...
[08:21] <slomo> bddebian: i'll fix that for now... but for the next time please do a better tarball ;)
[08:22] <bddebian> slomo: OK, thx, sorry
[08:22] <StoneTable> That's good to know.  I didn't learn about make dist until a few nights ago
[08:22] <slomo> bddebian: and the version is svn20050911... it should be the date of the last commit
[08:22] <bddebian>  :-(
[08:23] <StoneTable> i need to bribe someone to package and upload a new app for me :D
[08:23] <bddebian> StoneTable: Which one?
[08:23] <StoneTable> http://battleaxe.net/projects/nautilus-wallpaper/
[08:23] <hubH> StoneTable: how much is the bride?
[08:23] <StoneTable> adds an option to set as wallpaper to nautilus' context menu
[08:23] <hubH> bribe?
[08:24] <StoneTable> well, I'll blog about you favorably ;)
[08:24] <bddebian> Although apparenlty I am not the person to get to package something :-(
[08:24] <slomo> bddebian: and you have the patch directly in the sourcetree and not only in debian/patches ;)
[08:24] <bddebian> slomo: That I knew :-)
[08:24] <slomo> bddebian: and it's a native package... hum
[08:24] <slomo> i'll fix that all ;)
[08:24] <bddebian> \sh: See, I'm no God, I suck :)
[08:25] <slomo> bddebian: no you did really good work the last days :) and you don't do the same mistakes again
[08:26] <hubH> StoneTable: given the amount of negativity emitted by my blog, it is useless
[08:28] <\sh> bddebian: no
[08:31] <StoneTable> heh
[08:44] <ivoks> everybody is nervous before release :)
[08:44] <bddebian> They are?
[08:45] <spayne> i am excited :)
[08:45] <ivoks> :)
[08:47] <bddebian> bipolar: Hey.  I'm a little surprised it all worked.  I just now realized that the newer aqbanking stuff hadn't hit yet
[08:50] <bipolar> heh
[08:52] <ivoks> you see
[08:52] <ivoks> nervous :)
[08:52] <bddebian> No, grumpy ;-P
[08:52] <ivoks> :)))
[08:53] <bipolar> grumpy? not me... I'm more "neuronic".
[08:54] <slomo> bddebian: don't apply patches directly to native packages ;) it's hard to find everything you changed...
[08:54] <bipolar> s/neuronic/neurotic
[08:55] <bddebian> slomo: I couldn't get the debdiff to apply cleanly
[08:55] <bddebian> I figured this package would get overwritten so I was less than careful :(
[08:56] <slomo> is it only the file in tests and the one for which a patch was in your tarball?
[08:57] <slomo> well, at least it builds now ;)
[08:57] <bddebian> slomo: lb-module-applications.c and test/search-applications are the only two files that were patched outside of the svn updates
[08:58] <slomo> ok
[08:59] <slomo> what a shitty interface ;)
[09:01] <slomo> bddebian: uploaded... i hope this builds now on the buildds... and not only in pbuilder ;)
[09:10] <dholbach> wrt SECURITY:
[09:10] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ubuntu-cve/unfixed.html <- we're good on track
[09:12] <ivoks> omg we suck
[09:13] <ivoks> breezy is ok
[09:13] <ivoks> but hoary, wharty...
[09:14] <dholbach> we should make more use of *-security for universe
[09:14] <dholbach> that's why we need a ROCKING security team soon
[09:14] <ivoks> yeah
[09:15] <dholbach> for old releases it's not a simple matter of syncing, but of backporting cherrypicked fixes
[09:15] <dholbach> but i know: we'll get that team together
[09:15] <bddebian> slomo: It is pretty ugly isn't it :-)
[09:16] <ivoks> ok, if i fix bacula, will it get into breezy?
[09:17] <dholbach> ivoks: you should ask pitti and see if it's not just a sync from debian
[09:20] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:21] <slomo> bddebian: unusable imho ;)
[09:21] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[09:21] <bddebian> slomo: Aye :-)
[09:22] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[09:23] <sistpoty> does anyone know if tb meeting (rescheduled) is today?
[09:24] <bddebian> It was supposed to be.  But I won't be able to make it if it is :-(
[09:25] <sistpoty> heh, so i won't get bad comments from you ;)
[09:28] <bddebian> sistpoty: Never
[09:38] <sistpoty> slomo: infinity cared for haskell-cabal (your build failed)... he said he would break it properly in case your upload hasn't done so yet ;)
[09:39] <slomo> sistpoty: hm, mine failed? why?
[09:39] <slomo> it's my version in the archives and it is uninstallable ;)
[09:40] <sistpoty> imo too build-dep on too old ghc6 version... but i didn't dig deeper after infinitys statement ;)
[09:40] <sistpoty> s/too//
[09:40] <sistpoty> ;)
[09:40] <slomo> yes the old one had a wrong build-dependency... that was my first try to break it weeks ago ;)
[09:40] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:40] <slomo> i thought elmo would remove it soon... so i didn't bother
[09:40] <slomo> but we've seen to what this leads... ;)
[09:41] <sistpoty> yep
[09:41] <bddebian> Anyone have a clue what would be causing this with python2.4?  http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2831
[09:43] <jamessan|work> bddebian: are you trying to compile something that uses python2.4?
[09:43] <bddebian> jamessan|work: cyphesis-cpp
[09:43] <sistpoty> bddebian: I've seen this once, but don't remember what the reason was :(
[09:43] <jamessan|work> bddebian: is python2.4-dev installed?
[09:43] <bddebian> jamessan|work: Yes and python2.4-dev
[09:44] <\sh> hmmm..check configure.ac
[09:44] <bddebian> \sh: That's what I "changed" ;-)
[09:44] <\sh> autotools dance?
[09:44] <sistpoty> bddebian: you might try to run aclocal and friends to update autotools-stuff
[09:44] <bddebian> Hmm, just autoconf won't do it?
[09:44] <\sh> no
[09:44] <bddebian> fuXX0r
[09:45] <\sh> aclocal, automake, autoconf
[09:45] <\sh> and find the right version ;)
[09:45] <bddebian> Another point to \sh on how stupid I am :-)
[09:45] <\sh> bddebian: read the planet ;)
[09:45] <\sh> I'll spread it to the world ;)
[09:45] <sistpoty> bddebian, \sh maybe even autheader after aclocal
[09:46] <\sh> sistpoty: he should try the normal dance first
[09:46] <sistpoty> autoheader even
[09:46] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[09:46] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:46] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch_
[09:46] <ajmitch_> hello
[09:47] <ajmitch_> ah, now \sh has a longer list of his heroes
[09:48] <bddebian> ajmitch_: ??
[09:48] <ajmitch_> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/117-Wow...thx.html
[09:48] <ajmitch_> and bddebian is listed!
[09:49] <\sh> ajmitch_: I had to list barry...
[09:49] <ajmitch_> of course
[09:49] <\sh> ajmitch_: because without him, the joke towards elmo doesn't work ;)
[09:50] <\sh> trying to update tipptrainer to wxgtk2.6
[09:50] <bddebian> heh
[09:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: Your corner? :-)
[09:56] <bddebian> \sh: I just got the elmo reference. Are you trying to get me in more trouble?? ;-P
[09:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: now
[09:56] <\sh> bddebian: oh no  ;)
[09:56] <ajmitch> s/now/no/
[09:57] <\sh> bddebian: but if I spread your name all over the world, you can't hide anywhere ;)
[09:57] <bddebian> Oh great
[09:57] <\sh> bddebian: so you're bound to ubuntu-motu for your rest of your life ;)
[09:57] <ajmitch> lucky you
[09:57] <ajmitch> I can escape anytime I want
[09:58] <ajmitch> not with your blog posts, \sh
[09:58] <sistpoty> haha, my dist-upgrade failed because of libghc6-cabal-dev :)
[09:58] <\sh> but I will mention ajmitch the next time when he fixes beagle together with tseng ;)
[09:59] <ajmitch> \sh: oh thanks
[10:00] <bddebian> ajmitch: Watch out, I'm catching up on Karma ;-P
[10:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah
[10:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: I might as well stop then
[10:00] <bddebian> Gah, come on d00d
[10:00] <\sh> ajmitch: u r main...u can't stop
[10:01] <ajmitch> yeah I can
[10:01] <ajmitch> and I'm hardly main
[10:01] <\sh> ajmitch: u don't stop
[10:02] <ajmitch> I don't?
[10:02] <\sh> being a motu
[10:02] <ajmitch> but I can :)
[10:03] <dholbach> guys, i have news
[10:03] <ajmitch> spill the news
[10:03] <dholbach> some of you might not like them
[10:03] <ajmitch> dholbach: just say it
[10:03] <bddebian> Uh oh
[10:03] <dholbach> i condensed the buildlogs in Tests/
[10:04] <dholbach> it comes down to this: http://ubuntu.gplan.info/FAILED
[10:04] <ajmitch> and we've got 25% of universe FTBFS?
[10:04] <dholbach> ajmitch: the good news is: it's 5%
[10:04] <ajmitch> that's not much
[10:04] <dholbach> around
[10:04] <dholbach> 767
[10:04] <ajmitch> some of those shouldn't be in the archive
[10:04] <ajmitch> like zopex3
[10:05] <\sh> dholbach: ugh
[10:05] <\sh> dholbach: which arch? all over or only i386?
[10:05] <ajmitch> bddebian should be able to fix that list in 30 minutes or so
[10:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:05] <dholbach> \sh: yes, that's a problem
[10:05] <\sh> fck
[10:05] <dholbach> \sh: ok... will take the list down
[10:05] <dholbach> my problem
[10:05] <ajmitch> hm
[10:06] <ajmitch> a few of those were in main
[10:06] <\sh> dholbach: let the list...
[10:06] <sistpoty> dholbach: when have these testbuilds been done/where? might they have been affected by the cabal-buildd-breakage?
[10:06] <ajmitch> or I might be mistaken
[10:06] <\sh> dholbach: when was the snapshot started?
[10:06] <dholbach> sistpoty: information from september/october
[10:06] <dholbach> i downloaded all the lists (not the logs themselves)
[10:06] <dholbach> and condensed them
[10:07] <dholbach> but \sh spotted the issue: these are FTBFS on all archs
[10:07] <dholbach> which is ... wrong
[10:07] <ajmitch> gnue-forms/0.5.11-2ubuntu1 ?
[10:07] <ajmitch> hmm
[10:07] <ajmitch> old
[10:07] <ajmitch> the list needs updated
[10:07] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.failed.i386
[10:07] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.failed.amd64
[10:08] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/Lists/breezy-autotest.failed.ia64
[10:08] <\sh> i don't see so many failed packages
[10:08] <dholbach> \sh: those lists are worth nothing
[10:08] <dholbach> \sh: autobuild got restarted
[10:08] <dholbach> \sh: lists are lost
[10:08] <ajmitch> I can run over the archive & see where source & binary package versions differ
[10:08] <dholbach> old ones
[10:08] <ajmitch> gives a good indication of what still FTBFS
[10:09] <dholbach> ajmitch: sometimes we have the package and the source, but they don't build
[10:09] <\sh> dholbach: u mean they're just starting another round today?
[10:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: yep
[10:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: throw them all at pbuilder! ;)
[10:09] <dholbach> \sh: whenever it started again
[10:09] <dholbach> \sh: that's why i had to pull down a couple of index.html files
[10:09] <\sh> hmmm..
[10:10] <\sh> infinity or lamont should know
[10:10] <dholbach> they are not kept
[10:10] <dholbach> i already asked infinity
[10:10] <\sh> s.h.i.t.
[10:10] <tseng> hm
[10:11] <\sh> but 5% of how many packages?
[10:11] <dholbach> ok, here's what i will do
[10:11] <dholbach> i will get per-architecture-files
[10:11] <dholbach> then i will couple the results with popcon
[10:11] <ajmitch> so who was planning to sleep this week?
[10:11] <dholbach> and we should try to get the top 20% done
[10:11] <dholbach> (at least) :)
[10:11] <\sh> tomorrow it's the birthday of my son...so I'm busy until the evening...after that...
[10:12] <dholbach> how does that plan sound?
[10:12] <ajmitch> tonight I'll be rather busy
[10:12] <ajmitch> but I can probably die over the weekend
[10:12] <\sh> dholbach: well...sounds ok...but we need some ppc arch to test as well, if ppc is ftbfsing
[10:12] <dholbach> it's just an orientaion
[10:12] <\sh> dholbach: you have an amd64...and most of the motus have i386
[10:12] <slomo> \sh: i can do the ppc tests
[10:12] <dholbach> we did an extraordinary job, because this time we fixed loads of bugs
[10:12] <slomo> \sh: and i can do some amd64 stuff
[10:12] <dholbach> and not only transitioons/ftbfs
[10:13] <ajmitch> s/we/bddebian/
[10:13] <dholbach> ok
[10:13] <\sh> for ravel...we don't have the power to install the build-deps by ourselves
[10:13] <dholbach> i will get cracking on those lists
[10:13] <\sh> so if someone has a login for me, and my personal chroot or pbuilder to build on amd64...I'll hug him :)
[10:13] <slomo> \sh: i have pbuilder access to an amd64 machine now so when you want something tested...
[10:14] <\sh> slomo: rock :)
[10:15] <\sh> so nightshift this weekend
[10:18] <bddebian> dholbach: Can you put that on a wiki or post the URL in the topic or something so I can look at it when I get home?
[10:19] <dholbach> bddebian: i will put it on the wiki, when i'm done with it
[10:19] <dholbach> bddebian: thank you for all your good work
[10:19] <bddebian> Bah :-)
[10:19] <bddebian> I just make more work for slomo and \sh :-)
[10:19] <dholbach> haha :)
[10:19] <dholbach> so you keep them busy... nice one :)
[10:20] <\sh> he broke my system today...
[10:20] <\sh> so he's god..he can punish me ;)
[10:20] <bddebian> haha
[10:21] <ivoks> hi
[10:21] <sistpoty> hi ivoks
[10:21] <\sh> moins ivoks
[10:26] <bddebian> wb ivoks
[10:29] <bddebian> Heya seth_k
[10:34] <\sh> hey ogra_
[10:34] <bddebian> Gotta run home, catch you in a few gang
[10:34] <ajmitch> bye bdd
[10:35] <dholbach> here we go:
[10:35] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/FTBFS
[10:35] <dholbach> now i will couple this info with popcon
[10:36] <dholbach> so we REALLY know
[10:36] <tseng> oh man
[10:36] <dholbach> btw: did you all turn popcon on?
[10:36] <tseng> thats alot
[10:36] <dholbach> ok, listen:
[10:36] <dholbach> say version 0.5.4 FTBFS
[10:36] <dholbach> and we got 0.5.6 in from debian and it built
[10:36] <dholbach> then we "just" have to clear it from the list
[10:37] <tseng> you cant script that?
[10:37] <dholbach> so there are some false "positives" on the list
[10:37] <\sh> dholbach: elmo comes back today?
[10:37] <dholbach> \sh: i think he is back
[10:37] <\sh> dholbach: or who else can sync from deb unstable?
[10:37] <dholbach> \sh: just ask in #u-devel
[10:37] <ajmitch> mdz & kamion, apparantly
[10:38] <ajmitch> though I wouldn't want to ask too much :)
[10:38] <\sh> we have to if we want to fix universe ;) or I'll write emails to elmo with all syncs
[10:38] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:38] <ajmitch> I'm still waiting for syncs
[10:39] <tseng> mono/1.1.8.3-1ubuntu2
[10:39] <tseng> cross it off
[10:39] <ajmitch> and I've got another 3 or 4 to ask about
[10:39] <\sh> me too
[10:39] <dholbach> tseng: wait
[10:39] <dholbach> tseng: i'll put it on the wiki or somewhere else
[10:39] <tseng> dholbach: waiting
[10:39] <slomo> dholbach: you can remove gtkpbbuttons
[10:39] <dholbach> tseng: i'm not going to cross off stuff for you
[10:39] <dholbach> GUYS
[10:39] <dholbach> ARE YOU MAD?
[10:39] <dholbach> :)
[10:39] <ajmitch> dholbach: no
[10:39] <tseng> YES
[10:39] <dholbach> i see
[10:39] <slomo> dholbach: sure... :P
[10:39] <dholbach> that explains a lot
[10:40] <dholbach> :-p
[10:40] <ajmitch> dholbach: where do arch: all packages fit on there?
[10:40] <ajmitch> tseng: beagle/0.0.13.4-0ubuntu1
[10:40] <dholbach> those are built on i386
[10:40] <crimsun> let's see, it's 1 week before freeze...yes, we're ALL mad
[10:40] <ajmitch> kill beagle/0.0.13.4-0ubuntu1
[10:40] <ajmitch> sorry
[10:40] <tseng> ajmitch: ARE YOU MAD
[10:40] <ajmitch> kill gnue-forms/0.5.11-2ubuntu1
[10:40] <ajmitch> tseng: HELL YES
[10:40] <tseng> ELITE
[10:41] <ajmitch> dholbach: wiki is ok, but not so good
[10:41] <\sh> crimsun: mad? no
[10:41] <ajmitch> we should have setup RT or trac on tiber :)
[10:41] <crimsun> \sh: mad/crazy
[10:41] <dholbach> ...
[10:41] <\sh> crimsun: if we can get most of it done (together) in less then one week...then we're heroes ;)
[10:42] <\sh> EVERYBODY LET'S ROCK'N'ROLL ;)
[10:43] <ivoks> huh?
[10:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: on the wiki yet?
[10:43] <\sh> ogra: u sleep
[10:43] <ogra> \sh, i cant...
[10:43] <dholbach> ajmitch: no, as i said: going to couple with popcon
[10:44] <ogra> have to get edubuntu rolling
[10:44] <\sh> I left alone my mind was blank I needed time to get the memories from my mind
[10:44] <ivoks> ogra: dhcp? :/
[10:44] <ajmitch> \sh: go visit ogra with some sleeping pills please :)
[10:44] <\sh> What did I see can I believe that what I saw that night was real and not just fantasy
[10:44] <\sh> oh well...iron maiden ;)
[10:44] <ogra> ivoks, mdz just merged the (now sadly trivial) fix
[10:44] <ivoks> ogra: i saw
[10:44] <slomo> \sh: =)
[10:45] <\sh> ogra: I hope I'll see you @UBZ in better state then the last time...
[10:45] <ogra> its not what i needed, but prevents the install from breaking
[10:45] <ivoks> \sh: he was drunk? :)
[10:45] <crimsun> it's better than the kernel OOPSing on boot, that's for sure
[10:45] <\sh> ivoks: no
[10:46] <ajmitch> dead on his feet?
[10:55] <dholbach> ok, after this the main packages will be filtered out :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: thanks
[10:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: just tell us when we can start kicking old packages off the list
[10:55] <dholbach> yeah
[10:57] <ivoks> no meeting today?
[10:57] <ivoks> TB
[10:57] <ivoks> well... time for bed
[10:58] <ivoks> night
[10:58] <sistpoty> gn8
[10:58] <\sh> ace-of-penguin --> sync from debian --> solved all issues
[10:58] <\sh> wherre is the wiki page?
[10:59] <dholbach> MAN
[10:59] <dholbach> come off it, i'm not that fast
[10:59] <dholbach> i'm coupling the data with popcon
[10:59] <\sh> hehe ;)
[10:59] <ajmitch> sorry
[10:59] <ajmitch> we'll shut up now
[10:59] <\sh> ace-of-penguin is very important ;)
[11:04] <sistpoty> it is \sh ;)
[11:21] <carthik> hi MOTUs - a quick question - does an app not having a .Desktop file count as a bug - can I submit a repackaged version with a .Desktop file - would this count as a bug fix?
[11:22] <\sh> carthik: file a bug to malone and apply the desktop file as patch
[11:22] <\sh> or provide a debdiff
[11:23] <\sh> even better :)
[11:23] <\sh> dholbach: achilles fixed
[11:23] <carthik> thanks Stephan - have a great day - I really liked reading your blog the other day. :)
[11:24] <\sh> carthik: thanks :)
[11:25] <ajmitch> \sh: see, you're famous now ;)
[11:25] <\sh> lol
[11:26] <ajmitch> I can walk down the street without fear of people knowing me ;)
[11:26] <ajmitch> or go on irc
[11:26] <\sh> I should black out my hackergotchi ;)
[11:27] <\sh> ajmitch: and don't laugh...it happened to me twice that someone spoke to me because he saw me on planet
[11:27] <Nafallo> lol
[11:27] <carthik> andrew mitchell, waikato ... NZ
[11:27] <carthik> gotta love google
[11:28] <\sh> carthik: thx :)
[11:28] <carthik> Didn't mean to freak anyone out, especially ajmitch :)
[11:28] <carthik> have fun guys, me off to potter....
[11:28] <ajmitch> carthik: completely wrong
[11:28] <ajmitch> well the NZ part is right
[11:28] <ajmitch> but I'm not in waikato :)
[11:28] <carthik> ajmitch, ah, mixup I suppose : http://www.wlug.org.nz/AndrewMitchell
[11:29] <ajmitch> that's the waikato lug wiki page :)
[11:29] <carthik> later, guys, keep ruling the universe.
[11:29] <ajmitch> the page does say I live in dunedin ;)
[11:29] <\sh> 428582415 kb hmm...this is how much in GB?
[11:30] <ajmitch> 408.728041649
[11:30] <\sh> what?
[11:30] <\sh> 408GB?
[11:30] <Nafallo> \sh: counting pr0n? :-)
[11:31] <\sh> http://stats.blogweb.de/linux/
[11:31] <\sh> I think I should never, never, never host a mpg file of sabdfl anymore ;)
[11:32] <Nafallo> hihihi
[11:32] <ajmitch> heh
[11:33] <Nafallo> I was right ;-)
[11:33] <ajmitch> that's the total for the yar
[11:33] <ajmitch> year
[11:33] <\sh> sure
[11:33] <\sh> http://stats.blogweb.de/shermann/ <- this is my german blog ;)
[11:34] <ajmitch> not quite as famous
[11:34] <\sh> well...I should write a book
[11:35] <ajmitch> 'Ubuntu from the inside' ;)
[11:35] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:35] <\sh> "The Life Of \sh - Downhill, Uphill, Downhill"
[11:36] <ajmitch> "The life of ajmitch - boring as ever"
[11:36] <\sh> I have to go to bed..I have to get up at 4 UTC tomorrow morning...have to leave early for the birthday
[11:36] <ogra> \sh, dont forget "holiday at ogra's" ;)
[11:36] <\sh> ogra: Oh no...this will be an extra chapter :)
[11:36] <ogra> lol
[11:36] <Nafallo> A1 :-)
[11:36] <\sh> ogra: what about camping next year? :)
[11:36] <ogra> describing the different sorts of beer ?
[11:37] <ogra> \sh, if we still live here, why not :)
[11:37] <\sh> ogra: well...if you still not living there, I'll live in your basement *lol*
[11:37] <ogra> heh, true ;)
[11:38] <\sh> ogra: btw...today there was a new issue of "Unity Media Magazin" ;)
[11:38] <\sh> ogra: "we will focus on customers, but we won't to become technology experts, cause it's cheaper to get external specialists" ;)
[11:38] <ogra> hehe
[11:39] <ogra> outsourcing ...
[11:39] <\sh> ogra: written by pham sandu ,-)
[11:39] <ogra> greetings to bran :)
[11:39] <\sh> he's in ffm
[11:39] <\sh> fixing BMR for iesy ;)
[11:39] <ogra> he'll soon be full time consultant
[11:39] <ogra> for you...
[11:39] <\sh> ogra: btw...28th is farewell party in cologne, cause of george
[11:40] <ogra> i fly on the 26th
[11:40] <\sh> ogra: no...we're not specialists...only stoopid ops ppl
[11:40] <ogra> heh
[11:40] <\sh> ogra: right...i forgot
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: so it looks like that I go on 28th partying and have to get up early in the morning to get ready for ubz....FUN
[11:41] <ogra> you can sleep on the plane
[11:41] <Nafallo> why did I read planet?
[11:41] <ogra> i'm a bit sad i fly alone...
[11:41] <\sh> ogra: with siretart and others? I'll promised siretart to explain how mpls works
[11:42] <\sh> Nafallo: u don't read the planet?
[11:42] <ogra> heh
[11:42] <Nafallo> \sh: ofcourse I do. that's probably why I read plane as that :-P.
[11:44] <\sh> w8ing for acl2
[11:48] <Kyral> Time to get a clean bill of health
[11:53] <Kyral> can someone tell me what this means?
[11:53] <Kyral> W: fortune-mod-futurama source: native-package-with-dash-version
[11:53] <Kyral> W: fortune-mod-futurama source: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[11:54] <\sh> guys need to go to bed...acl2 is still building (debian version)
[11:55] <\sh> g'night all :)
[11:55] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh_away
[11:56] <Kyral> those are the only two errors that lintain is reporting