[12:04] <ogra> rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:04] <ogra> (copy and paste the above)
[12:04] <ogra> err, stop
[12:05] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:05] <ogra> thats the right one
[12:06] <mhz> heheh, you really diserve a huge prize for all your patience, spirit and work!, mon
[12:06] <ogra> if i keep my job after this chaos release, its my biggest price :)
[12:21] <mhz> re
[12:21] <mhz> sorry
[12:21] <mhz> ogra, could you plase re post the rsyn stuff, I had not activated the logs yet :(
[12:21] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:22] <ogra> in the dir where your iso is
[12:22] <ogra> :)
[12:23] <ogra> :-D
[12:23] <ogra> :)))
[12:23] <mhz> oh, coolisimo!
[12:23] <ogra> better ? :)
[12:23] <mhz> if you do feel better, yes.
[12:30] <ogra> its ok... could be better... but i have a nice bottle merlot here and relax a bit
[12:31] <lucasvo> ogra: works
[12:31] <ogra> ah, fine 
[12:31] <ogra> logged in ? 
[12:32] <lucasvo> ogra: no, mouse doesn't work
[12:32] <lucasvo> and I can't press enter
[12:32] <ogra> use tab
[12:32] <ogra> known bug... sorry, my fault...
[12:32] <lucasvo> ok 
[12:32] <lucasvo> and mouse?
[12:33] <ogra> i have already a new login manager ready but that wasnt accepted this late in the release cycle
[12:33] <ogra> hmm, no mouse at all ? 
[12:33] <lucasvo> ogra: so what can I do to get the new one/
[12:33] <lucasvo> ogra: no
[12:33] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[12:33] <lucasvo> and some icons don't work
[12:33] <ogra> read te instructions
[12:33] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[12:34] <ogra> what kind of mouse do you use ?
[12:34] <lucasvo> ogra: ps2
[12:34] <ogra> hmm...
[12:34] <lucasvo> 3buttons and scroll standard old mouse
[12:34] <ogra> can you log in on console and run: lsmod|grep psaux ? 
[12:35] <ogra> (client)
[12:35] <ogra> and lsmod|grep mousedev
[12:35] <lucasvo> nothing
[12:36] <lucasvo> and windows don't come I had to go to tty9
[12:36] <lucasvo> 0
[12:36] <lucasvo> and the desktop icon doesn't work
[12:36] <ogra> log out 
[12:36] <lucasvo> and the trash icon neither
[12:36] <ogra> and run modprobe psaux on console
[12:37] <lucasvo> how can I do that without mouse?
[12:37] <ogra> ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:37] <lucasvo> module psaux not found
[12:37] <lucasvo> aha
[12:37] <ogra> hmm
[12:37] <ogra> very strange
[12:38] <ogra> ouch
[12:38] <ogra> err
[12:38] <ogra> modprobe psmouse indeed
[12:39] <lucasvo> oh
[12:39] <ogra> sorry... i had wine already :)
[12:39] <lucasvo> zz
[12:39] <ogra> after that another ctrl-alt-bakspace on the gui to activate it
[12:40] <lucasvo> my friend said metaframe is the only working terminal server... >D
[12:40] <ogra> pfft
[12:40] <ogra> ltsp is the best :)
[12:41] <lucasvo> when I have 3 different clients with different vga resolution how can I set that up?
[12:41] <ogra> you dont...
[12:41] <ogra> it happens automatically
[12:42] <lucasvo> no, screen can't be configured by itself
[12:42] <ogra> thats what we do
[12:42] <ogra> as i explained, /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup does that on boot...
[12:42] <lucasvo> but it does that wrong
[12:43] <ogra> but there is something weird with the psmouse stuff currently
[12:43] <lucasvo> ah ok
[12:43] <lucasvo> no there is a kernel message
[12:43] <ogra> about psmouse ? 
[12:43] <lucasvo> yes
[12:43] <lucasvo> after I have loaded it manually
[12:43] <ogra> what did it say ? 
[12:44] <ogra> i'm to tired to start a edubuntu install now to check it, but i'll solve it tomorrow if its a common prob and i can reproduce it
[12:44] <lucasvo> input lmPS/2 Logitech wheelmouse on isa0060/serial 
[12:44] <ogra> thats fine
[12:45] <lucasvo> ehm and what about trash icon?
[12:45] <ogra> it just tells you what it loaded
[12:45] <lucasvo> in gnome bar
[12:45] <lucasvo> panel
[12:45] <ogra> doesnt still work ? not even with the mouse ? 
[12:45] <mhz> ogra, my current ISO is  edubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso, will that rsyn work anyways
[12:45] <mhz> ?
[12:45] <ogra> hmm...
[12:46] <ogra> rename it to breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:46] <ogra> should work...
[12:46] <mhz> simple
[12:46] <mhz> ok
[12:46] <lucasvo> ogra: the icons are still a document with a red X
[12:46] <ogra> but from preview it might be more than 50MB... be warned
[12:47] <ogra> lucasvo, are you logged in with the same user on the server in X ?
[12:47] <lucasvo> ogra:  yes
[12:47] <ogra> ah
[12:47] <ogra> logout there and relogin on the client...
[12:48] <lucasvo> ok
[12:48] <mhz> duh! command not found :)
[12:48] <ogra> gnome-settings-daemon cant handle two logins from different hosts
[12:49] <mhz> nhz!
[12:49] <mhz> he
[12:49] <mhz> kde can?
[12:49] <ogra> no idea
[12:49] <mhz> i guess it does
[12:49] <ogra> KDE does wrid insecure things
[12:49] <mhz> yep
[12:49] <ogra> *weird
[12:49] <mhz> hence my favourite desktops are simple: Fluxbox and Enlightenment
[12:50] <ogra> we had someone who wanted to package e17 for universe... no idea if that happened
[12:50] <lucasvo> ogra: but my ltsp-client-setup configures my screen wrong! it can run at 1024x786 but it runs at 480x640
[12:50] <mhz> lucasvo, at least it runs :D
[12:50] <ogra> what kind of graphics card ? 
[12:50] <lucasvo> mhz: yes
[12:50] <lucasvo> ogra: matrox
[12:51] <lucasvo> mga driver
[12:51] <ogra> hmm...
[12:51] <ogra> works for me...
[12:51] <ogra> i have a client with mga here
[12:51] <lucasvo> but at ubuntu normal I have to configure it manually as well
[12:51] <lucasvo> but it should work!
[12:51] <ogra> did you file a bug ? 
[12:51] <lucasvo> no :(
[12:51] <ogra> else it wont get solved
[12:51] <lucasvo> should I, where?
[12:51] <lucasvo> at ubuntu or X
[12:51] <ogra> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:52] <ogra> xserver-xorg
[12:52] <ogra> but its intresting that it works fine for me...
[12:52] <ogra> (with a old G400)
[12:53] <ogra> yup rsync speeds up a lot
[12:53] <lucasvo> I have mga g200 :D
[12:53] <ogra> should be the same ...
[12:53] <lucasvo> runs at 720x400 but could run at 1024x768
[12:54] <lucasvo> oh I have creating accounts everywhere
[12:54] <ogra> mine runs at 1280x1024
[12:54] <ogra> out of the box
[12:54] <lucasvo> strange
[12:55] <lucasvo> I have a sdm-m51 15" sony lcd flatscreen 
[12:55] <ogra> probably a problem with your monitor... if it reports the size wrong it might fail
[12:55] <lucasvo> could be
[12:55] <lucasvo> but why should it?
[12:55] <ogra> there is a wiki page about debugging X probs... 
[12:56] <lucasvo> ogra: not today anymore
[12:57] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingXAutoconfiguration
[12:57] <ogra> ;) 
[12:57] <lucasvo> I will submit it and then go to bed when I have time I'll look at it tomorrow
[12:57] <ogra> for tomorrow
[12:57] <ogra> note that we'll release on 13th, every minute counts
[12:57] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[12:57] <lucasvo> I wil do try to do it now
[12:58] <mhz> root@elive[/home/Users/Rojo/mhz/MhzDownloads/RsYnc] $ rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[12:58] <mhz> @ERROR: Unknown module 'edubuntu'
[12:58] <mhz> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1171
[12:59] <ogra> there is a cdimage misisng in the path
[12:59] <ogra> meh
[01:00] <lucasvo> do you know why ubuntu is always switching from nonbootsplash to bootsplash during booting?
[01:01] <ogra> is it ? 
[01:01] <ogra> not here
[01:01] <mhz> argh! sorry again
[01:01] <ogra> you missed one cdimage in the path
[01:01] <mhz> 128 mb of ram is too little nowdays
[01:01] <mhz> ?
[01:02] <ogra> rsync -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:02] <ogra> before /edubuntu/
[01:02] <ogra> or did i gie it wrong ? then i'm really sorry
[01:02] <ogra> *give
[01:03] <mhz> don't worry
[01:03] <mhz> I copied pasted
[01:03] <ogra> meh
[01:03] <ogra> sorry
[01:03] <mhz> so, yes YOU did wrong! :D
[01:03] <mhz> the god thing is we can work it out
[01:03] <ogra> copy paste the above, it works... 
[01:03] <ogra> just doing the same here
[01:04] <lucasvo> ogra: hm ctrl alt F1 doesn't work
[01:04] <mhz> it seems to be wotking
[01:04] <ogra> yup
[01:04] <lucasvo> ubuntu should release pocketubuntu (gpe.handhelds.org
[01:04] <ogra> lucasvo, on the client ? 
[01:04] <lucasvo> )
[01:05] <lucasvo> ogra: yes but with real  ubuntu on hd
[01:05] <ogra> there is a buntu plan ...
[01:05] <lucasvo> ogra: public?
[01:05] <ogra> no
[01:05] <lucasvo> too bad
[01:05] <ogra> only planned yet
[01:06] <ogra> i was thinking about working on it... but then edubuntu became my fulltime project
[01:06] <lucasvo> that rocks! I always wanted a pocketpc with  ubuntu
[01:06] <lucasvo> ogra: are you paid for working on ubuntu? or do you do it in your free time?
[01:06] <ogra> i#m paied
[01:07] <lucasvo> ubuntu must do it... 
[01:07] <lucasvo> :D
[01:07] <mhz> lucasvo, he's paid and we does it in his free time as well
[01:07] <ogra> haha
[01:07] <lucasvo> yeah
[01:07] <ogra> depends where you draw the line
[01:07] <lucasvo> ogra: are you from germany?
[01:07] <mhz> or in other words... he gets paid for his free time
[01:08] <lucasvo> lol
[01:08] <mhz> :D
[01:08] <ogra> i'd say i do it all in my free time and get some money ...
[01:08] <ogra> yes, i'm from germany
[01:08] <mhz> ogra, what happens with rsync if i suffer a power cut
[01:08] <mhz> ?
[01:08] <mhz> lucasvo, we all do
[01:08] <ogra> you can start where you stopped
[01:08] <lucasvo> mhz: school or what?
[01:08] <mhz> school
[01:08] <ogra> it picks up where it stopped
[01:09] <lucasvo> ah, but ogra  as well?
[01:09] <mhz> oh, nice
[01:09] <ogra> nope
[01:09] <ogra> they wont take me with 35 ;)
[01:09] <mhz> lucasvo, it depends of what you define by school.
[01:09] <lucasvo> mhz: yes
[01:09] <mhz> I am married have kids and all, but I am always learning and sharing
[01:10] <lucasvo> mhz: learning and sharing is much more ehm efficient than being taught in school
[01:10] <mhz> hehehe
[01:10] <lucasvo> really
[01:10] <mhz> we'll start the GNU school
[01:11] <mhz> where we all can submit changes :D
[01:11] <lucasvo> I mean do I learn that much in informatics ??? no not really
[01:11] <lucasvo> what should I do with my ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[01:12] <mhz> ogra, will at some time see any & progress somewhere?
[01:12] <mhz> ogra, I mean in rsync
[01:12] <mhz> any %
[01:12] <mhz> not &
[01:12] <ogra> yes, you should
[01:12] <mhz> root@elive[/home/Users/Rojo/mhz/MhzDownloads/RsYnc] $ rsync -v -a --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:12] <mhz> receiving file list ...         
[01:12] <mhz> 1 file to consider    
[01:13] <mhz> thats all the output
[01:13] <lucasvo> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
[01:13] <ogra> now it cmputes the differences ... then you see the progress... patiency...
[01:13] <mhz> ohh
[01:14] <lucasvo> W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
[01:14] <ogra> what are you trying ?
[01:14] <lucasvo> sudo ltsp-build-client
[01:14] <mhz> lucasvo, see? we all go to school
[01:14] <mhz> :D
[01:15] <mhz> ohh
[01:15] <mhz> breezy-install-i386.iso         
[01:15] <mhz>       681072   0%   21.45kB/s    8:53:26
[01:15] <mhz> hehehehe
[01:15] <ogra> yeah
[01:15] <mhz> it'll take as much as if I downloaded a whole iso :)
[01:15] <ogra> lucasvo, again ? 
[01:16] <ogra> it wil go down a bit
[01:16] <lucasvo> ogra: what should I do with my ctrl+alt+f1
[01:16] <lucasvo> ctrl+alt+del works
[01:17] <ogra> ctrl+alt+f1 should too
[01:17] <lucasvo> ogra: but doesn't
[01:17] <ogra> something is really wrong with your setup
[01:17] <lucasvo> ogra: why?
[01:17] <lucasvo> it works 
[01:17] <lucasvo> except ctrl+alt+f1
[01:17] <ogra> it doesnt ...
[01:18] <ogra> psmouse wasnt loaded and ctrl+alt+f1 doesnt work
[01:18] <lucasvo> it is strange 
[01:18] <lucasvo> alt+f2 works
[01:18] <ogra> both should work...
[01:18] <ogra> oh
[01:18] <lucasvo> ctrl+alt+del works
[01:19] <lucasvo> what can be wrong?
[01:19] <ogra> no idea... as i said, i'll check tomorrow... i have no decent iso here, just syncing
[01:20] <lucasvo> aha
[01:21] <lucasvo> ogra: isn't the notification about updates useless when it doesn't updates package lists anyway?
[01:22] <ogra> why shuldnt it update package lists ? 
[01:22] <ogra> note that you log in on the normal server desktop 
[01:22] <lucasvo> ogra: what should I note?
[01:23] <ogra> that you see the notification from the server desktop :)
[01:26] <lucasvo> ogra: is there any more infomation about the "miu" ubuntu in the internet or is it kept secret? on what will it be based on?
[01:26] <ogra> look in the wiki, there was a spec we worked out at the last conference...
[01:29] <lucasvo> what do I have to look for?
[01:31] <ogra> buntu ? 
[01:31] <ogra> dunno...
[01:31] <ogra> its on the BreezBOFs page probably
[01:31] <lucasvo> ah
[01:32] <lucasvo> I found it
[01:32] <magnon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c2%b5buntu
[01:32] <magnon> oh, too late
[01:32] <lucasvo> thanks magnon 
[01:33] <ogra> :)
[01:34] <lucasvo> goodnight
[01:34] <lucasvo> I will postpone my meeting with MR. X-autoconfiguration to tomorrow
[01:39] <ogra> night
[02:00] <mhz> re
[02:14] <mhz> Monsoir Oliver
[02:14] <ogra> monsieur mhz ? 
[02:15] <mhz> either I have to much bad luck or you are too wrong.. or a combination of both :)
[02:15] <mhz> 8515408   1%   18.66kB/s   10:06:10
[02:15] <mhz> it was 10% before the x server crash
[02:15] <mhz> now it's only 1%
[02:16] <ogra> it computes the sizes again... wait a while... it should pick up again
[02:16] <mhz> are you totaly sure it is like wget -c, allowing you to stasrt form where you were at?
[02:16] <ogra> pretty sure... 
[02:16] <mhz> stasrt  = start
[02:17] <mhz> ok, I still believe you, moon
[02:17] <mhz> moon = mon
[02:18] <ogra> oh, damned, i think you would have needed --partial....
[02:18] <mhz> ?????//
[02:18] <ogra> after the crash
[02:18] <mhz> ?
[02:19] <ogra> to make sure it uses the partial transferred bits...
[02:19] <mhz> rsync -v -a --progress --partial ... ?
[02:19] <ogra> yes, but if it started again that wont work...
[02:20] <ogra> there are hundrets of options... see man rsync
[02:22] <ogra> oh, -z might be good for you too
[02:25] <mhz> so, what you say is: everytime X crashes, I should start with --partial and -z ?
[02:25] <ogra> heh, if X crashes often you probably should rsync on console ;)
[02:26] <mhz> hm, I thought so
[02:26] <mhz> but the Eterm looks sooooooo cooool
[02:26] <ogra> --partial keeps partial synced data around and -z compresses (much better than othe compressions)
[02:27] <ogra> the manpage has whole paragraphs for both
[02:28] <mhz> yes, I was reading when it crashes the last 2 times, so I quit reading :)
[03:05] <mhz_at_kitchen> F.Y.I  http://www.linuxandmain.com/tech/xibrettotips.html
[04:38] <mhz> re
[04:52] <magnon> hey
[05:07] <mhz> hey
[05:13] <magnon> it's still Dapper Drake, right? Someone wrote Dapper Duck on the wiki :)
[05:14] <mhz> no idea
[08:29] <Zaheer> morning all
[08:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: could you please follow up on my domain name request?
[08:36] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll call you...
[09:07] <Zaheer> has anyone here installed the nvidia drivers on gnu/linux box sucessfully?
[09:08] <spacey> Zaheer, in Ubuntu: yes ofcourse
[09:08] <spacey> Zaheer, its really easy, only two commands
[09:08] <Zaheer> no internet :)
[09:09] <jsgotangco> yes of course
[09:09] <jsgotangco> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx =)
[09:09] <Zaheer> got edubuntu dvd
[09:12] <jsgotangco> search for nvidia-glx
[09:13] <Zaheer> and what about the .run file that nvidia provides for linux distro's will that not help?
[09:14] <Zaheer> also if i install the nvidia-glx pckg will i still need to mod the Xfree/X11 conf?
[09:16] <jsgotangco> sure both will work
[09:16] <jsgotangco> its easier to get the deb though
[09:16] <jsgotangco> ./nvidia-bla.run
[09:16] <jsgotangco> then do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and just choose 'nvidia' instead of 'nv'
[09:16] <spacey> Zaheer, you should use the deb
[09:16] <spacey> really
[09:16] <jsgotangco> spacey, agreed
[09:16] <spacey> sudo nvidia-glx-enable
[09:16] <jsgotangco> Zaheer, nvidia-glix is officially supported
[09:17] <spacey> or something like that
[09:17] <Zaheer> cool.
[09:17] <spacey> Zaheer, if you use the deb :p
[09:17] <Zaheer> ie not the .run pckg
[09:18] <Zaheer> cause thats the one im trying to use now and its such a pain to get working..
[09:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: was that your call I missed? worked till after 1am last night and then dreamed about wiki edits the whole night, so decided to go for a run this am.
[09:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: got your msg, will follow-up for you.
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW 
[09:25] <jsgotangco> are you really sending me 200 CDs?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:25] <jsgotangco> an autographed cd would be fine really
[09:26] <jsgotangco> *grin*
[09:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, ping
[09:37] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi
[09:37] <jsgotangco> err
[09:38] <jsgotangco> i forgot what to ask
[09:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: if you send a good proposal, then sure
[09:38] <JaneW> (once we have a working edubuntu to manufacture from)
[09:38] <jsgotangco> nahh, a JaneW-autographed cd would do for me :)
[09:38] <JaneW> heh
[09:38] <JaneW> since it's his artwork afterall
[09:39] <jsgotangco> the schooltool people wanted their description changed
[09:39] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:39] <jsgotangco> i gave it
[09:39] <JaneW> ta
[09:39] <jsgotangco> hmm
[09:40] <jsgotangco> i remember now
[09:40] <jsgotangco> i'll pm you
[09:43] <Zaheer> are there screens of the cd cover?
[10:02] <jsgotangco> JaneW, do you have plan B in case you don't get the stock photos?
[10:02] <JaneW> we got a pdf of them yeserday
[10:03] <jsgotangco> goodie
[10:03] <jsgotangco> i guess its copyrighted stuff so i won't ask
[10:09] <jsgotangco> JaneW, working hard on the specs i see =)
[10:09] <JaneW> nod
[10:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco:  enjoying all the spam?
[10:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no it's not copyrighted I don;t think
[10:10] <JaneW> sent it to mhz already
[10:10] <JaneW> should I send to you too?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> cand you send it to me too?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:10] <jsgotangco> i can pig out on it
[10:10] <JaneW> ok
[10:10] <JaneW> heh
[10:11] <jsgotangco> is it the stock or the actual breezy cover?
[10:11] <JaneW> breezy cover
[10:11] <Zaheer> can i check it out too please :}
[10:11] <jsgotangco> Zaheer, :P
[10:12] <jsgotangco> prolly after oct. 13
[10:12] <Zaheer> pretty please..
[10:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:12] <JaneW> ok, as long as you aren't planing a coup (cos then I'll be lynched) ;)
[10:12] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i don't think its a good idea really
[10:12] <jsgotangco> no offense to Zaheer 
[10:12] <Zaheer> none taken
[10:12] <jsgotangco> since the actual print isn't out yet
[10:13] <JaneW> say you guys release oohbuntu with that same cover on Oct 12?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:13] <JaneW> I still don;t really understand what's public and what's not (and why)
[10:13] <JaneW> but I do understand that companies like to keep things private until they are official
[10:13] <jsgotangco> if it doesn't contain anything, just assume its copyrighted
[10:13] <JaneW> and general public knowledge
[10:14] <jsgotangco> unless what's sent to you is explicitly stated as CC by SA or whatever license
[10:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well you look and let me know
[10:14] <Zaheer> look i dont wann get anyone into any trouble so its cool i can wait a few days :)
[10:14] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:16] <jsgotangco> we're just being careful really, even the name and the logo have copyrights
[10:19] <JaneW> yes but people can look at them ;)
[10:19] <JaneW> (the name and logo)
[10:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[10:20] <JaneW> I know silbs has been worried about making sure they were finalised and official, but once done they will be put up on the wiki
[10:20] <jsgotangco> hehe
[10:20] <jsgotangco> joke
[10:20] <JaneW> so she just doesn;t want the draft stuff floating around (and printed as the official verion, possibly with errors)
[10:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: thwap
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hey its the kid again
[10:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW, this is pretty useless the pdf is not the original resolution
[10:25] <jsgotangco> at least we know the color scheme
[10:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW, it would hvae been more helpful if we had it full bleed
[10:37] <jsgotangco> brb
[11:32] <hilaire_> hello
[11:33] <hilaire_> I saw people where able to upgrade from ubuntu to edubuntu but I did not found the info on the net. Any clues?
[11:33] <crimsun> sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[11:37] <hilaire_> hum, from ubuntu 5.04?
[11:38] <crimsun> no, 5.10
[11:39] <ogra> moin
[11:39] <crimsun> hi ogra 
[11:39] <crimsun> hilaire_: dist-upgrade to 5.10, then install it
[11:39] <crimsun> hilaire_: or just use today's daily cd image
[11:47] <hilaire_> crimsun: ok
[11:47] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[11:48] <ogra> Yagisan, sorry i still havent read the pdf, th prerelease drawbacks are to much currently...
[11:49] <Yagisan> ogra: actually - I was about to ask - If I supply a patch to ltsp to allow it to build i386 clients on amd64 are you interested ?
[11:50] <Yagisan> I've been working a little script to allow "trivial" multiarch support ie i386 on amd64, ppc on ppc64 type of sstuff
[11:50] <ogra> to late for breezy, but i'm very itereasted for dapper
[11:50] <Yagisan> yeah - for dapper
[11:50] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com ;)
[11:50] <Yagisan> I got pissed off that ltsp build amd64 clients for amd64 servers
[11:51] <Yagisan> I mean - who (currently) uses 64bit thin clients ?
[11:51] <Yagisan> thats overkill
[11:52] <ogra> Yagisan, i do :)
[11:52] <Yagisan> what other arches would support trivial support ?
[11:53] <Yagisan> ogra - from what you've said I think you live in a pc manufacturing plant
[11:53] <ogra> i think having multiarch for dapper is essential .... powerpc clients should be possible too there are cheap ppc solutions people might use... or they might reuse old imacs...
[11:53] <Yagisan> hmm- my thin clients are missing the games menu
[11:54] <Yagisan> well - all my thin clients are k6/2 (i586) or pentium2 (i686) - both i386 - while my servers are amd64
[11:54] <ogra> yup
[11:55] <ogra> i think we need to support all kinds of multiarch....
[11:55] <Yagisan> I think people are more likely to get the most powerfull server they can get
[11:55] <Yagisan> If I can get qemu to work - I'll try to add support for ppc clients
[11:55] <Yagisan> but for now "trivial"
[11:55] <ogra> if we ave half thick clents at some point amd64 will get intresting too... note that ltsp is not only edubuntu
[11:56] <Yagisan> I know - but you are the most visible project - and hence the one most likely to gain from having it first
[11:56] <ogra> its also used in offices... they might use local apps that need cpu power
[11:56] <Yagisan> ogra: I'm one of the "office" guys
[11:57] <ogra> but having a base to work on would already be a great start
[11:57] <Yagisan> I have apps in mind that I want local
[11:57] <Yagisan> have you also noticed that often you get kicked back to a login screen from the clients ?
[11:58] <ogra> kicked back ? 
[11:58] <ogra> do you mean on relogin ? 
[11:59] <magnon_> eerp
[11:59] <ogra> Yagisan, might be #15244
[11:59] <Yagisan> yes on relogin - and when I tried to run some apps
[11:59] <Yagisan> like the 32bit firefox + flash + java that I had to set up for the wife
[12:00] <ogra> its a bug we'll have to ship with :/ i'm not allowed to do "intrusive" changes, half of my fixes will have to wait until post release :/
[12:00] <Yagisan> magnon_: don't worry it'll get used to it - mine stopped crying long ago (it's dead =-O)
[12:00] <Yagisan> ogra: where are those changes ?
[12:00] <ogra> i had a long dispute over that already, but no avail...
[12:01] <magnon_> Yagisan: I just got my new passport. :P
[12:01] <ogra> for this bug there are none yet....
[12:01] <Yagisan> magnon_ : that reminds me - my daughter needs to get two passports
[12:02] <Yagisan> ogra: if I filed a severe bug on that - would that enable you to get an update in ?
[12:02] <ogra> nope
[12:03] <ogra> i have even to fight for trivial one line changes... the last one took me more that 2 days to get in
[12:03] <Yagisan> hmm - so we a get a trivial update for dhcp - but none for "I can't log in to my f*cking box" ?
[12:03] <ogra> (adding a "|| true " to a script)
[12:03] <Yagisan> ogra: that was you ?
[12:03] <JaneW> sigh
[12:04] <ogra> Yagisan, yes
[12:04] <Yagisan> never enough hours is it
[12:04] <JaneW> ogra: what's the answer to my question about if we fix bugs AFTER 13 Oct
[12:04] <ogra> i lost to much due to ubuntu related stuff...
[12:04] <ogra> JaneW, technically not possible
[12:04] <JaneW> could we still print CDs of that (with fix) and call it 5.10?
[12:05] <JaneW> (and hello - sorry)
[12:05] <Yagisan> G'day JaneW
[12:05] <JaneW> hi Yagisan 
[12:05] <ogra> JaneW, the archive contents will be totally broken if it reopens... i cant guarantee that everything works
[12:05] <JaneW> oh of course we'll be on unstable dapper...
[12:06] <ogra> yes
[12:06] <JaneW> and could we freeze on Breezy and just change edubuntu?
[12:06] <ogra> nope
[12:06] <JaneW> :(
[12:06] <JaneW> *sulk*
[12:06] <jsgotangco> eh?
[12:06] <ogra> the infrastructure will be switched to dapper
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: so is there no way to fix this soon?
[12:06] <jsgotangco> woohooo
[12:06] <jsgotangco> software development - you gotta love it
[12:07] <ogra> expect that for example xorg might be broken from the first day
[12:07] <Yagisan> revolt peasants revolt ! down with the aristocracy !
[12:07] <JaneW> me starts with a word that rhymes with DUCK
[12:07] <ogra> so everything on top of it will be broken too
[12:07] <JaneW> ogra: yes I do expect that! ;/
[12:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, BUCK?
[12:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW, PUCK?
[12:07] <JaneW> Yagisan: the peasants are revolting ;)
[12:07] <ogra> YUCK ?
[12:08] <JaneW> yes
[12:08] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: The very first word I taught my wife in english :)
[12:08] <magnon_> Right
[12:08] <JaneW> Yagisan: shame on you!
[12:08] <jsgotangco> Yagisan, Love?
[12:08] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:08] <magnon> I just want to show you guys what the new passport rules to the US actually allow
[12:08] <JaneW> ogra: so now that we have Cds we don;t want them....?
[12:08] <magnon> http://co.deworks.net/pub/pass.jpg
[12:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW, yay
[12:08] <Yagisan> JaneW: I had to explain "real" english - as used by the locals
[12:09] <magnon> Left picture is two years old, right picture is what I'm getting for my passport
[12:09] <Yagisan> she can use it perfectly now =-O
[12:09] <ogra> JaneW, lets decide that if we have a release, lets inspect it carefully if its worth it
[12:09] <magnon> if I were the border guarad, I'd rather let in a guy with an expired passport than that picture :S
[12:09] <jsgotangco> magnon, that is sooo like mako's passport pic
[12:09] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[12:09] <magnon> jsgotangco: maybe I can steal his ID :D
[12:09] <JaneW> magnon: cute
[12:09] <ogra> still g days to fight with mdz for every single pacth and fix
[12:10] <ogra> s/g/6/
[12:10] <JaneW> g days?
[12:10] <JaneW> are you doing a head stand?
[12:10] <magnon> JaneW: thanks :P
[12:10] <ogra> sorry the top of the six was to heavy, it fell over ;)
[12:10] <Yagisan> magnon: In Australia - the passport office would reject that photo
[12:11] <magnon> Yagisan: because I look criminal?
[12:11] <Yagisan> magnon: too dark - can't see eyes clearly
[12:12] <magnon> calibrate your monitor ;) I can see them pretty well
[12:12] <Yagisan> magnon: but yes - you do look shifty
[12:12] <jsgotangco> it would have been preferable if you tied up that hair too
[12:12] <JaneW> ogra: do you know anything about "Open Source Annual 2006", a German publication concerned with the various aspects of open source. ?
[12:12] <ogra> nope
[12:12] <magnon> jsgotangco: they accepted it anyway :P
[12:13] <ogra> you know i live at the end of the world here :)
[12:13] <magnon> ogra:...Berchtesgaden?
[12:13] <Yagisan> magnon: monitor is calibrated - it looks like you have completely black irises
[12:13] <JaneW> if that's what the dude looks like, that's what the photo should look like
[12:13] <JaneW> D'uh
[12:13] <magnon> Yagisan: That's not far from the truth
[12:13] <ogra> magnon, rather in the middle....
[12:13] <JaneW> ogra: in the restaurant?
[12:13] <Yagisan> magnon: oh - then it might be ok 
[12:13] <ogra> magnon, looks a bit like norway countryside 
[12:13] <magnon> I find Berchtesgaden somewhat at the end of the world
[12:14] <magnon> JaneW: Ha ha.
[12:14] <JaneW> at the end of the universe?
[12:14] <magnon> :)
[12:14] <ogra> yes... since i'm a MOTU :)
[12:14] <JaneW> heh
[12:14] <jsgotangco> see you guys later i'll enjoy my friday night first
[12:14] <ogra> andwhen i fell off the edge of the universe, i landed on edubuntu :)
[12:14] <magnon> poor edubuntu
[12:14] <jsgotangco> you guys should too :)
[12:14] <Yagisan> back soon - nappy change for bub :(:'(:(
[12:15] <magnon> is that why the badger has a flat tail?
[12:15] <magnon> gene manipulations + oliver
[12:16] <ogra> heh
[12:19] <JaneW> ogra: check mail box for some light relief
[12:21] <Zaheer> if i have a 5.04 workstation will i need to format if i wanted to upgrade to 5.10?
[12:21] <ogra> JaneW, lol, yes, that fits 
[12:21] <ogra> Zaheer, just change the repositorys and upgrade.... 
[12:21] <JaneW> :)
[12:21] <ogra> oh, and CD upgrade should work too
[12:22] <Zaheer> oh ok... i was under a misconception then that i had to format.
[12:22] <Yagisan> Zaheer: it not Windows ...
[12:22] <Zaheer> :D i know it aint!
[12:23] <ogra> Zaheer, we guarantee sooomoth upgrades ;) 
[12:23] <ogra> hmm... weird keyboard...
[12:23] <Zaheer> thats what i like to hear
[12:23] <Yagisan> Zaheer: only need to reboot  for a kernel upgrade - and I'm sure we can bug someone to fix that too
[12:23] <ogra> Zaheer, make sure the -desktop meatpackage is installed during the upgrade, then everything should be fine
[12:23] <ogra> lol
[12:24] <ogra> metapackage
[12:24] <ogra> Yagisan, we dont rule the HW world yet :)
[12:25] <Zaheer> i have a vm with edubuntu and a physical pc with debian.. and the more im using the vm pc the more im tempted to trash the deb pc... the only thing holding me back is that i dont have inet yet at home.
[12:25] <Yagisan> ogra: As far as I know - latest kernels can load another kernel and transfer control to it
[12:25] <Zaheer> with deb i could pop in 1 of the 14 dics and install pckgs from there
[12:25] <ogra> Yagisan, but the underlying one will still need a reboot if you want it up to date
[12:26] <ogra> Zaheer, you can do that with ubuntu too
[12:26] <Zaheer> with the dvd?
[12:27] <Yagisan> Zaheer: yep - but that's just main/restricted
[12:28] <Zaheer> i dont understand the way the packages are structured.. like main and universe...
[12:29] <Zaheer> are the main all essentiall pckgs? and universe the extra/optional pckgs?
[12:29] <Yagisan> Zaheer: basically - yes but
[12:29] <Zaheer> [listening] 
[12:30] <Yagisan> it depends on your idea of essential - eg for me mc is essential
[12:30] <Yagisan> but that is in universe - so I need a net connection to get it
[12:30] <Zaheer> like i do alot of php/mysql development
[12:31] <Yagisan> Zaheer - you will most likely need universe then
[12:31] <ogra> its both in main
[12:31] <Zaheer> is that part of main?
[12:31] <Yagisan> parts of it are main
[12:31] <Yagisan> as far as I know anyway
[12:31] <ogra> but only on the DVD mysql isnt on the iso afaik
[12:31] <Zaheer> so is there no universe dvd i can DL or is that a strange request :)
[12:31] <ogra> nope
[12:32] <ogra> univrse holds about 17000 packages... thats hard to get on DVD
[12:32] <Zaheer> :D i figured...
[12:32] <ogra> you'd need several...
[12:32] <Yagisan> not a strange request - the have been a few requests - but it would be about 2 dvds
[12:32] <ogra> more than that
[12:32] <Yagisan> I mirrored it once
[12:32] <ogra> i'd rather guess 4 or 5
[12:32] <Yagisan> ah - dual layer dvds :)
[12:33] <Yagisan> be back soon - being called for dinner
[12:38] <Zaheer> one of my bugs has change to UPSTREAM what does that mean?
[12:39] <ogra> that upstream will care for it
[12:44] <Zaheer> who dat?
[12:46] <ogra> ?
[12:53] <Yagisan> Zaheer: upstream is whoever wrote the application
[12:53] <Yagisan> heh - never much scrollback here
[12:54] <Yagisan> anyway - any ideas on why some menu categories aren't showing up on the clients ?
[12:54] <Yagisan> they appear when logged in locally to the server
[12:58] <Yagisan> ogra: what arches do you have access too ?
[01:40] <mhz> moin
[01:41] <JaneW> moin moin
[01:41] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, install gets through...
[01:42] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: : did you read Kamion's mail :/
[01:42] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: YAY!!!! :)))
[01:42] <ogra_ltsp> but i just discovered that i have no german keyboard and the language selector seems not to pick up the settings :/
[01:43] <Yagisan> ogra_ltsp: do you have all your menus ?
[01:43] <ogra_ltsp> yup
[01:43] <Yagisan> even games ?
[01:43] <ogra_ltsp> yup
[01:43] <Yagisan> opengl work ? (accelerated)
[01:43] <ogra_ltsp> the path error still exists though, but mdy knows about it and he will accept a fix if i understood him right
[01:44] <Yagisan> glxgears  was giving 18fps on my client
[01:44] <ogra_ltsp> Yagisan, no idea its nothing release critical and i only have a nvidia card here
[01:44] <Yagisan> I have ati (dri based) and nvidia
[01:45] <ogra_ltsp> but when i tested in the beginning with my own xorg.conf that uses the binary driver, it always worked fine
[01:46] <Yagisan> yep - but we are using autogenrated xolrg.conf now aren't we ?
[01:46] <ogra_ltsp> so there shouldnt be a regression for cards that cne get configured automatically for GL
[01:46] <ogra_ltsp> Yagisan, you can use a lts.conf as with the classic ltsp
[01:46] <Yagisan> It gives that delightful message overwriting xorg.conf on boot
[01:46] <ogra_ltsp> it will read your xorg.conf
[01:46] <Yagisan> lts.conf ? how where
[01:47] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: I will begin debugging on X now
[01:47] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, everything works fine here, i just did a fresh install 
[01:47] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: well not here...
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, i suspect your HD error might have caused a broken config... psmouse gets loaded
[01:48] <lucasvo> it is probably the problem of the display
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> nope
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> it was definately the psmouse module missing that prevented your X from starting
[01:48] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: so why does it not autodetect?
[01:48] <mhz> JaneW, cd design/ so we can use full color design on the cardboard but only 2 colors + white on the cd labels, right?
[01:48] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: yes, but I mean the screen resolution
[01:48] <ogra_ltsp> no idea, but the autoloading of the module works 
[01:49] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: yes
[01:49] <ogra_ltsp> oh, thats something else.... indeed
[01:49] <lucasvo> it worked on second boot up
[01:49] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: but  do you know why ctrl+alt+F1 isn't working? this is strange
[01:50] <ogra_ltsp> its a xorg thing, the xorg maintainer will need to fix, you said its also not working in non ltsp
[01:50] <lucasvo> when I enter it into a console, it just gives me ^{07P
[01:50] <lucasvo> when I enter it into a console, it just gives me ^[07P
[01:50] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: yeah so I should bugreport it or try by myself
[01:51] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, Kamions mail from this morning you mean
[01:51] <mhz> JaneW, cd design/ can you possibly get us the exact sizes (measurements?) of the cd slip parts. Is there any standard size? I have found no info on that yet, here in Chile.
[01:51] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, yup
[01:51] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: I would like to have a working ltsp now, is there any workaround?
[01:51] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, bugreport it with the datea as outlined on the wikipage
[01:51] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: what data as outlined?
[01:52] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: yes, that mail
[01:52] <lucasvo> ogra_ltsp: shouldn't I report it directly to XORG ?
[01:52] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, read the ltsp documentation from ltsp, create a custom xorg.conf that gets loaded through lts.conf
[01:52] <lucasvo> ok
[01:52] <ogra_ltsp> lucasvo, xserver-xorg in bugyilla
[01:52] <ogra_ltsp> bugzilla
[01:52] <mhz> ogra_ltsp, 656 MB is my current breezy-install-i386.iso You say now I burn it and that's about it. no more pain-in-the-back issues?
[01:53] <JaneW> mhz: well the current one is 12,5cm high, 14 cm across
[01:53] <ogra_ltsp> mhz, only with todays image... 
[01:53] <ogra_ltsp> mhz, yesterdays still needs the IP provided in the installer
[01:53] <ogra_ltsp> todays works flawless
[01:56] <JaneW> Linus Torvalds on why not to use specs: "they're dangerously wrong. Reality is different, and anybody who thinks specs matter over reality should get out of kernel programming NOW." Second, "specs have an inevitable tendency to try to introduce abstractions levels and wording and documentation policies that make sense for a written spec. Trying to implement actual code off the spec leads to the code looking and working like CRAP."
[01:56] <highvoltage> Zaheer: please read the message i left for you while you were away
[01:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: Znarl said he would TRY to get to your request today
[01:57] <JaneW> I madea big fuss about being happy that we could go live over the w/e
[01:57] <JaneW> to spur him on
[01:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: thank you.
[01:57] <JaneW> but he emphasized the *try*
[01:57] <JaneW> so fingers crossed
[01:58] <mhz> JaneW, does linus say anything about developers not being allowed to subimt changes based on extremely strict rules?
[01:58] <JaneW> heh
[01:58] <JaneW> Online auction site eBay has agreed to buy internet telephone company Skype Technologies in a $2.6bn (1.4bn) deal. <- DAMN!
[01:59] <ogra> why ? 
[01:59] <ogra> its proprietary stuff anyway
[01:59] <mhz> ogra, based on your instructions then...  rsync -v -a -z --progress --partial rsync:// blabla
[01:59] <ogra> they will still offer the software for free i guess
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: just a LOT of money
[01:59] <ogra> mhz, yup :)
[02:00] <ogra> mhz, you can drop the --partial... it will be quick
[02:00] <JaneW> So please don't bother talking about specs. Real standards grow up _despite_ specs, not thanks to them. -Linus
[02:00] <JaneW> ^ that's a quote - not me speaking
[02:00] <ogra> its a change of some byte only on the CD (will be a bit more to DL)
[02:00] <mhz> JaneW, :D
[02:01] <highvoltage> ogra: how is that possible?
[02:01] <ogra> highvoltage, ? what ?
[02:01] <highvoltage> ogra: "a bit more to DL", i'm sure it should be more than a bit if it's at least a byte
[02:01] <highvoltage> since there's 8 bits in a byte
[02:02] <mhz> lol
[02:02] <ogra> highvoltage, because positions on the CD might have changed so this must be reflected by rsync...
[02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, i made a joke. ignore me :)
[02:02] <mhz> ogra, 26485813   3%   20.18kB/s    9:05:33 :(
[02:03] <ogra> mhz, it will speed up...
[02:03] <ogra> dont worry
[02:03] <lucasvo> ok I did submit it
[02:03] <ogra> great
[02:03] <highvoltage> gtg 
[02:03] <ogra> its very late in the release cycle... so dont expect it to get fixed now... but it will for dapper at least
[02:04] <mhz> do you also adjust your clock settings tomorrow at midnight, right?
[02:04] <ogra> no idea, my PC does that itself :p
[02:04] <JaneW> we don't
[02:04] <JaneW> we are sane here
[02:04] <ogra> hmmm....
[02:04] <JaneW> the time is the time
[02:04] <ogra> arguable ? 
[02:05] <JaneW> lol
[02:05] <JaneW> true
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: can I book us seats on this to UBZ? http://www.fixx.co.za/pics/airbus/
[02:05] <ogra> whee... so our worst bug is fixed... lets see how many additional fixes i can fight through...
[02:05] <JaneW> yipee
[02:06] <lucasvo> ogra: first fix mine and then add it to final release! :D
[02:06] <ogra> yes, but the keyboard thing is worrying, no idea why no tester reported it yet
[02:06] <ogra> lucasvo, i dont fix xorg bugs
[02:06] <lucasvo> ogra: should I do bugreport as well?
[02:07] <ogra> JaneW, looks very tempting :)
[02:07] <Yagisan> ogra: no idea - I've yet to test Japanese keyboard settings
[02:07] <ogra> lucasvo, about what ? 
[02:07] <lucasvo> ogra: the keyboard
[02:07] <ogra> Yagisan, wont work i fear... not without a lts.conf
[02:07] <Yagisan> maybe they just used us english
[02:08] <ogra> yes...
[02:08] <Yagisan> ogra: that's probably to be expected - at least with Japanese I can use an english keyboard
[02:09] <ogra> but not for german or spanish
[02:09] <Yagisan> just have to type it phonetically
[02:09] <ogra> we'll need some docs ... how to set up a lts.conf properly
[02:09] <Yagisan> there are some docs
[02:09] <Yagisan> I'm looking at the ltsp package now as I write my patch
[02:10] <ogra> but first i have to fix the path error so /usr/games is in the path :/
[02:10] <Yagisan> but - it's not clear on the Ubuntu changes
[02:10] <ogra> Yagisan, ubuntu ltsp picks up a configured lts.conf
[02:10] <Yagisan> ogra: usr/local/bin too ?
[02:10] <ogra> so the standard ltsp docs should be fine
[02:10] <ogra> no idea about /usr/local/bin, we dont use it anywhere
[02:10] <Yagisan> where does it pick the lts.conf from ? /etc /etc/ltsp ?
[02:11] <Yagisan> I use /usr/local/bin - I'm sure other users do too
[02:11] <Yagisan> it's where all my pbuilder scripts live
[02:12] <ogra> they dont do by default in ubuntu
[02:12] <ogra> nothing goes to /usr/local in a ubuntu system
[02:13] <ogra> i wont be allowed to fix more tha /usr/games and even this will be a big fight
[02:13] <Yagisan> ogra: until something 3rd party is installed
[02:13] <ogra> yes, if you compiled it manually etc... so you should be able to add it to your path then...
[02:13] <Yagisan> can the mistake be blamed on someone else ? (usr/games)
[02:14] <ogra> nope
[02:14] <Yagisan> your fault ? really ?
[02:14] <ogra> no matter who to blame, i'm the one to fix it
[02:14] <ogra> my fault that it isnt fixed yet...
[02:14] <ogra> not my fault that its broken though
[02:15] <Yagisan> just looking for reasons to justify it going in
[02:15] <ogra> i have to fix it, regardless of reasons.... its my job
[02:16] <Yagisan> ogra: and we appreciate every fix
[02:16] <ogra> that'd be very expensive before you even could start
[02:17] <ogra> GL apps over ltsp networks are a very very bad idea to run on more than one two clients...
[02:17] <ogra> you'd at least need gigabit 
[02:17] <Yagisan> yeah - I actually did some performance monitoring a while ago
[02:17] <ogra> thats why we have no GL screensavers installed in edubuntu for example
[02:17] <mhz> ogra, i know you ask me for patience, np. however... 44238589   6%   21.48kB/s    8:18:57 seems I need lots of patience :D
[02:18] <Yagisan> I have 100Mbit here
[02:18] <ogra> mhz, you are in the right dir ? 
[02:18] <mhz> JaneW, any chance to get the children photos? Do we have to use them? prefer to use them? can we propose something else?
[02:18] <Yagisan> but I'll try to run traffic shaping to "optimise" the bandwidth
[02:18] <mhz> ogra, same dir as yesterday (it took 9hours)
[02:19] <ogra> it should get very speedy at some point ... it does here at least
[02:19] <ogra> btw, its easier to just run that by a cron script while you sleep ;)
[02:21] <mhz> i imagine
[02:21] <mhz> the iso finished at 07 AM today
[02:22] <lucasvo> ogra: how do I have to configure my firewall for ltsp, which ports do I need?
[02:22] <mhz> this one looks like it will finish at 18:00 (an it's now the time I had to install) :(
[02:24] <ogra> lucasvo, why do you want to run ltsp through a firewall
[02:25] <ogra> mhz, did you keep a copy of the iso ? why dont you use the one from yesterday and change the IP afterwards ? 
[02:25] <lucasvo> ogra: I have a firewall on ltsp-server which closes someport...
[02:25] <ogra> what for ? 
[02:26] <ogra> i'd rather firewall my network at the gateway, not the ltsp server
[02:26] <lucasvo> ogra: I have nat on the ltsp server, but there are only port80 and a few others allowed, which one do I have to add for nfs, ssh or whatever
[02:28] <ogra> hmm, 111 for portmap, 22 for ssh, i think 2049 for NFS....
[02:29] <ogra> oh, and dhcp and tftp for booting indeed ...
[02:29] <Yagisan> hmm, ltsp -> firewall -> web -> customers firewall ->customers system && demo && support contract && money++ && happy girl
[02:29] <ogra> and then your firewall is so wide pen that it doesnt make sense at all anymore
[02:29] <ogra> s/pen/open
[02:29] <mhz> ogra, ooops, I did not copy the 1st iso (7am) instead, I just starte rsync :( wwwuuuaaaaah
[02:29] <Yagisan> now just to do that securely ...
[02:30] <ogra> alone opening portmap is a security flaw for a firewall...
[02:30] <ogra> i would do it separately
[02:30] <Yagisan> ogra: for dapper - over openvpn ?
[02:31] <ogra> to slow it down ? nah
[02:31] <ogra> just use two network cards and nat the ltsp network...
[02:31] <Yagisan> slow it down ?
[02:31] <ogra> close it to the internet and its fine
[02:32] <ogra> why another encryption layer to tunnel shh through ?
[02:32] <ogra> ssh
[02:32] <ogra> and i doubt the performance over a vpn link would be fun
[02:32] <Yagisan> I'm just looking at expanding over a wide geographical location
[02:33] <ogra> and tftp boot via internet ? 
[02:33] <Yagisan> I would need to minimise the bandwidth
[02:33] <ogra> that'd be a PITA
[02:33] <ogra> and we dont plan such things :) 
[02:33] <Yagisan> heh - I've already build bridged ethernet setups other the web
[02:33] <ogra> next release shall cover a school ... not a country ;)
[02:33] <lucasvo> ogra: now my login doesn't work anymore after:
[02:33] <lucasvo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/ldm_installation.txt
[02:34] <ogra> lucasvo, but you installed the packages noted there, yes ? 
[02:34] <Yagisan> well - I'm in sydney - my parents-in-law are in tokyo. I really don't want to fly over when the pc breaks
[02:34] <ogra> lucasvo, python-gnome2 is the essential bit, it wont ork without
[02:34] <lucasvo> ogra: yes I installed it
[02:35] <Yagisan> gives me something to try (for dapper)
[02:35] <ogra> lucasvo, in the chroot ? 
[02:35] <ogra> Yagisan, and a normal ssh access doesnt suffice to maintain it ? 
[02:35] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[02:36] <lucasvo> apt-get install python-gnome2
[02:36] <ogra> and that really installed fine without errors ? 
[02:36] <Yagisan> ogra: I like my vpns
[02:37] <Yagisan> plus it sounds "cool" to my clients
[02:37] <ogra> lucasvo, it will pull about 20 other packages in from the server
[02:37] <ogra> there will be a notable installation go on ... 
[02:37] <lucasvo> ogra: I already did that
[02:37] <Yagisan> it's oh - you can do an international vpn's - surely you can do our branch office too
[02:38] <ogra> lucasvo, any errors in ldm.log on the client ? 
[02:39] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I find out?
[02:39] <ogra> read the log on the client ? 
[02:39] <lucasvo> ogra: I can't use the client, doesn't work
[02:40] <ogra> i'm pretty sure python-gnome2 isnt installed right, else it would start...
[02:40] <lucasvo> root@lama:/# apt-get install python-gnome2
[02:40] <lucasvo> Reading package lists... Done
[02:40] <lucasvo> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:40] <lucasvo> python-gnome2 is already the newest version.
[02:40] <lucasvo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:40] <lucasvo> root@lama:/# cd /var/log/
[02:41] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -l python-gnome2
[02:41] <lucasvo> and yes it is in chroot
[02:41] <lucasvo> ok now it works but looks crappy
[02:41] <ogra> in which way crappy ? 
[02:41] <lucasvo> there is a big whit bar at the right side
[02:41] <ogra> its in very early development ;) 
[02:42] <ogra> but way easier to use than the other login screen
[02:42] <lucasvo> and lsmod psmouse wasn't loaded
[02:42] <ogra> what made it work ? 
[02:42] <lucasvo> ogra: reboot
[02:42] <ogra> of the client ? 
[02:42] <lucasvo> yes
[02:43] <lucasvo> but input doesn't work
[02:43] <ogra> there are some schools in the US that use it daily... but its not adjusting the resolution very good below 1024x768 yet
[02:43] <ogra> (thats why you see the white bar )
[02:44] <ogra> lucasvo, you have a working xorg.conf for that machine ? 
[02:44] <ogra> (non ltsp that is)
[02:45] <lucasvo> ogra: I have this in my lts.conf
[02:45] <lucasvo>         SERVER             = 192.168.1.1
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL   = "PS/2"
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_DEVICE     = "/dev/psaux"
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MOUSE_BUTTONS    = 3
[02:45] <ogra> hmm
[02:45] <lucasvo>         USE_XFS            = N
[02:45] <lucasvo>         X_MODE_0           = 1024x768
[02:45] <lucasvo>         SCREEN_01          = startx
[02:45] <lucasvo> ~
[02:46] <lucasvo> and X_MODE_0 doesn't work
[02:47] <ogra> are you even sure this file gets read ? 
[02:48] <lucasvo> oh what have I done now, I don't even get an IP
[02:48] <lucasvo> ah not enough IPs on dhcpserver
[02:49] <lucasvo> ogra: how can I test if it gets read?
[02:49] <ogra> where did you put it ? 
[02:50] <lucasvo> /etc/lts.conf
[02:50] <ogra> hmm, should be ok
[02:50] <lucasvo> on chroot of ltsp client
[02:50] <ogra> yup
[02:50] <lucasvo> root@lama:/home# sudo cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[02:50] <ogra> why do you use sudo if you are root ? 
[02:51] <ogra> use only eithe one
[02:51] <ogra> *either
[02:51] <lucasvo> ehm copy and past your commands....
[02:51] <ogra> so dont use root ;)
[02:51] <ogra> i do it neither :)
[02:51] <lucasvo> how can I test if it gets loaded?
[02:51] <ogra> it gets loaded if its in this place
[02:52] <lucasvo> ok
[02:52] <ogra> less /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/ltsp_config
[02:52] <ogra> see the top of this script... 
[02:52] <ogra> it gets executed on boot
[02:53] <lucasvo> doesn't work
[02:53] <lucasvo> I can't move mouse nor I can see bootloader
[02:54] <lucasvo> ehm I mean login
[02:54] <ogra> if you move it away you can ? 
[02:54] <ogra> (with wrong resolution ?)
[02:58] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[02:59] <lucasvo> but it hangs now :(
[02:59] <ogra> have you looked at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf ?
[02:59] <lucasvo> yes
[03:00] <lucasvo> but  can't use mouse
[03:00] <ogra> i hae no idea what tha is... nobody reported such an issue yet... but defunately your psmouse module isnt loaded
[03:01] <lucasvo> yes
[03:01] <lucasvo> and how can I load it? 
[03:01] <ogra> and it works fine for me
[03:02] <ogra> less /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules ?
[03:02] <ogra> there should be mousedev, which pulls in psmouse
[03:02] <ogra> you can try to add psmouse there additionally
[03:03] <lucasvo> on server?
[03:04] <ogra> in the abopve file
[03:04] <lucasvo> ok
[03:09] <lucasvo> this work
[03:09] <lucasvo> s
[03:17] <Zaheer> im having trouble connecting to a windows xp sp2 admin share from 5.10. nautilis keeps crashing.
[03:18] <Zaheer> by admin share i mean c$, d$ for those who dont know.
[03:19] <JaneW> back in 15 mins
[03:21] <Zaheer> i basically want to map a share from the edubuntu pc to a windows pc.
[03:31] <spacey_ki> samba?
[03:44] <mhz> JaneW, can we use http://www.ubuntu.com/include/circle.jpg ? or is it anohter?
[03:46] <spacey_ki> was also a circle with kids
[03:48] <Zaheer> spacey_ki: yes
[03:50] <mhz> spacey_ki, url?
[03:51] <spacey_ki> http://www.edubuntu.org/
[03:51] <spacey_ki> its on the front
[03:53] <mhz> duh!
[03:53] <mhz> :)
[03:54] <Zaheer> anybody know how to install the subversion?
[03:54] <Zaheer> using apt
[03:54] <Yagisan> Zaheer: sudo aptitude install svn ??
[03:55] <Yagisan> ogra: did you get my patch ?
[03:55] <mhz> sudo apt-get install svn
[03:55] <mhz> or..
[03:55] <mhz> wget -c http://somewhere
[03:55] <mhz> tar -xvzpf svn.tar.gz
[03:56] <mhz> cd svn
[03:56] <mhz> etc
[03:56] <Zaheer> so whats mod_dav svn??
[03:59] <mhz> no idea, I have not used svn in about ayear
[03:59] <mhz> sorry
[03:59] <Zaheer> im trying sudo apt-get install svn but it says it cant find the package.
[03:59] <spacey_ki> Zaheer, mod_dav is webdav
[04:00] <Yagisan> Zaheer: and universe and multiverse to your apt sources.list
[04:00] <Zaheer> uh?
[04:00] <Zaheer> you need to explain... please.
[04:01] <spacey_ki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webdav
[04:01] <Zaheer> checking now...
[04:02] <Yagisan> Zaheer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:03] <mhz> sudo apt-get install subversion
[04:04] <mhz> Zaheer, sorry. subversion is the name, not svn
[04:04] <mhz> just write this on a terminal sudo apt-get install subversion
[04:09] <Zaheer> thanks
[04:09] <Zaheer> much appreciated.
[04:10] <mhz> np
[04:11] <Zaheer> :)
[04:11] <JaneW> mhz: I'd say no...
[04:11] <JaneW> mdz: use the kids one was per our wiki
[04:11] <JaneW> mdz: I'll send you a high res ver? or do you have it already?
[04:13] <mhz> nop
[04:15] <JaneW> mhz: do you agree it's a better pic for this?
[04:19] <mhz> yes, and nop
[04:19] <mhz> yes: it about children
[04:20] <mhz> nop: education involves eveyone, parents, grownups, sisters, brothers, friends, etc
[04:25] <JaneW> agreed
[04:26] <JaneW> ideally if we had an age-divers pic that would be great
[04:26] <JaneW> so far we are focussing on 'young' for this release though
[04:26] <JaneW> and we have documented that the target age group is 6-18
[04:27] <mhz> okidoki
[04:27] <mhz> I buy it :)
[04:28] <vmarks> hi
[04:28] <vmarks> any thoughts on using edubuntu as a standalone desktop instead of the whole ltsp?
[04:30] <JaneW> jsgotangco does that afaik
[04:32] <vmarks> any performance hit from running the extra processes?
[04:32] <vmarks> anything else I should be mindful of?
[04:32] <vmarks> and, because I'm anxious, how close to release candidate?
[04:34] <JaneW> ogra: will need to answer further sorry
[04:34] <JaneW> he should be back in amin or 2
[04:34] <vmarks> excellent
[04:34] <vmarks> thank you
[04:36] <JaneW> good luck :)
[04:41] <crimsun> vmarks: the daily cd image for today should be quite close to RC
[04:45] <vmarks> okay, point me in the right direction?
[04:45] <vmarks> and: will the daily image when installed do the automatic updates so that after final is released the pre-release would be updated to current anyway?
[04:52] <Zaheer> everyone have a good weekend and thanks again for the help :)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> JaneW: wiki spammer :P
[05:23] <mhz> hmmm, nogroup is equivalente for nobody?
[06:11] <Yagisan> ogra: get my little patch ?