[12:07] <amu> hehe, nonono, professinal packages for a professional desktop
[12:34] <amu> kgrantpty is by default installed with a set SETUID root bit!
[12:34] <amu> This is needed for konsole, etc. to ensure that they can't be eavesdroped.
[12:35] <Riddell> curious
[12:38] <sabdfl> hey all
[12:38] <sabdfl> how are you feeling about the badger?
[12:46] <amu> moin' sabdfl   
[12:47] <Riddell> hi sabdfl 
[12:47] <Riddell> it's all looking good
[12:48] <Riddell> sabdfl: have you tried it out?
[12:56] <seaLne> Riddell: in case you noticed downtime for geeksoc we were moving the servers to a (hopefully) temporary new location
[12:57] <Riddell> seaLne: so I can't ask you to torrent the kubuntu RC CDs then? :)
[12:57] <seaLne> you can
[12:58] <Riddell> hmm, why am I still getting preview on this page http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/5.10/
[12:58] <Riddell> are other people?
[12:58] <jmg> guys, latest update breaks my grub and installs lilo
[12:58] <seaLne> i did however get a mail asking about bittorrent usage from it services this morning and my manager decided to kill them, tho i've restarted
[12:58] <jmg> i cant reinstall grub because im using lvm
[12:58] <Riddell> jmg: that's not good.  what sort of update did you do?
[12:59] <jmg> Riddell: apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[12:59] <jmg> Im trying to reinstall grub from livecd
[12:59] <jmg> but its not working
[12:59] <Riddell> jmg: dist-upgrade from breezy or hoary?
[12:59] <jmg> breezy
[12:59] <jmg> breezy to breezy
[12:59] <seaLne> grr on my home machine neither konq or kmail work not sure why
[01:00] <jmg> apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[01:00] <amu> Riddell: signfile kdelibs_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.changes; done 
[01:01] <jmg> ok, im logged into the livecd
[01:01] <jmg> mount /dev/vg/shockwave to /mnt
[01:01] <jmg> chroot .
[01:01] <jmg> mount -a
[01:02] <jmg> mount: special device /dev/mapper/vg-home does not exist
[01:02] <sabdfl> hey amu!
[01:02] <sabdfl> good to see you again
[01:02] <jmg> hey self appointed benevolent dictator for life
[01:02] <sabdfl> Riddell: so, i'm thinking of converting my desktop to kubuntu for dapper
[01:02] <sabdfl> laptop will stay ubuntu
[01:02] <sabdfl> what say you?
[01:02] <sabdfl> hiya jmg
[01:02] <jmg> sabdfl: a convert to kde!
[01:03] <jmg> sabdfl: im going to hopefully be a motu for dapper 
[01:03] <seaLne> Riddell: trying to download the torrents i get 404 for the rc
[01:03] <jmg> ok so does anyone know how to start lvm in a chroot?
[01:03] <jmg> what else needs to be started?
[01:04] <sabdfl> jmg: the more the merrier!
[01:05] <seaLne> Riddell: also not cd install torrents?
[01:05] <seaLne> ah they are listed now
[01:06] <jmg> hehe
[01:06] <Riddell> sabdfl: excellent
[01:06] <jmg> should i just reinstall? :P
[01:06] <Riddell> seaLne: I think the mirrors are still syncing up
[01:06] <Riddell> seaLne: I guess they're a bit busy with the ubuntu RC
[01:06] <sabdfl> ok, i'll do it
[01:07] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah that page seems to be getting updated atm
[01:08] <Riddell> sabdfl: I'll make sure to treat your bug reports with priority :)
[01:08] <jmg> ha
[01:08] <Riddell> sabdfl: so, are we going to get shipit for breezy?
[01:09] <sabdfl> Riddell: we will print a bunch, and ship them to interested people yes, but not the automatic site
[01:09] <sabdfl> at least, not for release
[01:09] <sabdfl> we brought up a whole new shipit codebase in short order
[01:09] <sabdfl> behind the scenes it can do it
[01:09] <sabdfl> tell the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu orders
[01:09] <jmg> i really cant be assed reinstalling
[01:10] <amu> sabdfl: hehe, I cannot live without work, as i said before, i'm here   
[01:10] <Riddell> sabdfl: how do we fill in orders for interested people?
[01:11] <amu> Riddell: arts;kdelibs are done amu.homelinux.org/kde343 if you need them 
[01:11] <Riddell> amu: excellent
[01:12] <Riddell> this set of KDE releases are timed just badly for breezy
[01:12] <seaLne> yeah
[01:12] <amu> Riddell: unfortunately i've to go to bed now :)  
[01:12] <Riddell> amu: sweet dreams
[01:13] <amu> Riddell: dont forget to blog sabdfl 
[01:14] <seaLne> when kubutu breezy final is out i'll upgrade my parents pc from a testing version of sarge :)
[01:15] <seaLne> then i can give them a digital camera and not have to worry about the hassel of supporting it :)
[01:15] <amu> n8 everyone 
[01:16] <seaLne> 'rents not having a net connection is annoying :-/
[01:17] <Riddell> seaLne: jings, why not?
[01:17] <seaLne> i keep suggesting it
[01:17] <seaLne> dial up dosen't even work on the phoneline!
[01:17] <sabdfl> Riddell: what's the kde release timing issue?
[01:19] <Riddell> sabdfl: KDE 3.4.3 is out on wednesday, day before breezy.  KOffice 1.4.2 is out day after.  KDE 3.5 is out in a about a month
[01:20] <Riddell> seaLne: how can dialup not work?
[01:20] <seaLne> i think the bell they have eats too many luns
[01:20] <seaLne> its an external bell that rings when their is a call
[01:21] <sabdfl> booger
[01:22] <sabdfl> backports!
[01:22] <sabdfl> 3.4.3 doable?
[01:22] <seaLne> woot konq now works after an upgrade
[01:22] <seaLne> no more suffering ff :)
[01:23] <seaLne> pasteing a url into a window has to be the best feature of konq :)
[01:23] <Riddell> sabdfl: 3.4.3 would be doable in theory, we already have the sources, but if something goes wrong there's minimal time to fix it
[01:24] <sabdfl> already have the sources?
[01:24] <Riddell> seaLne: firefox turned that off, they're crazy
[01:24] <Riddell> sabdfl: packagers get the sources a week early
[01:24] <sabdfl> seems the same as gnome 2.12.1 dropping in now...
[01:25] <seaLne> Riddell: really that makes no sense?
[01:26] <Riddell> sabdfl: mdz said "Definitely too late; we shouldn't be making any uploads whatsoever on the 12th, much less new upstream versions."
[01:26] <seaLne> however i still can't get my dual head card to work :(
[01:26] <seaLne> think it may be a kernel problem :-/
[01:26] <Riddell> sabdfl: but we could start uploading now
[01:26] <sabdfl> Riddell: but if you have the sources now, then you... snap
[01:27] <jmg> oh well
[01:27] <jmg> guys what is the Release: for breezy?
[01:28] <jmg> or do we not care about Release:
[01:28] <Riddell> sabdfl: shall I try and persuade mdz then?
[01:28] <Riddell> jmg: how do you mean?
[01:29] <jmg> Riddell: i want to set preferences for Ubuntu so i can then do apt-get source bar/experimental
[01:29] <Riddell> jmg: I'm kindae busy for your lilo problem this evening but you should try and work out why it was brought in by a dist-upgrade (look at rdepends) and file a bug
[01:30] <jmg> Riddell: currently backing up that box for repartition/rebuild. /me didnt create a static boot
[01:30] <sabdfl> Riddell: you confident on 3.4.3, if it goes in now?
[01:30] <jmg> no way 
[01:30] <sabdfl> how long will it take to have test packages?
[01:31] <jmg> its 07
[01:31] <jmg> wait
[01:31] <jmg> Riddell: how much testing has been done on the sources to see what patches still apply?
[01:31] <Riddell> sabdfl: amu has kdelibs done, I can do the other big ones tomorrow (kdebase, kdepim, kdenetwork...)
[01:31] <Riddell> jmg: which sources?
[01:32] <jmg> Riddell: 3.4.3. its possible the benefits outway the negatives (upstream fixes)
[01:32] <Riddell> jmg: none yet, we only got the sources today :)
[01:32] <jmg> hmm. in debian this would be way too late
[01:33] <jmg> but we in ubuntu are young and fast moving
[01:33] <jmg> depends on who wants to wear the paper bag on release day huh
[01:35] <jmg> that would be Riddell ;)
[01:41] <jmg> Riddell: not sure if i can find this bug for you sorry
[01:41] <sabdfl> Riddell: DOIT!
[01:41] <jmg> Riddell: i was running grub, but lilo got installed somehow
[01:41] <jmg> That Shouldnt Happen(tm)
[01:41] <jmg> fortunately that box is only a week or so old, so i havent lost much
[01:48] <sabdfl> night all
[02:42] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/newsite/
[02:52] <jmg> :))
[02:52] <jmg> Riddell: you are a web droid?
[02:53] <Riddell> hmm?
[02:53] <Riddell> at this time in the morning I'm starting to feel quite droidlike
[02:54] <Riddell> hunger: your opinion http://kubuntu.org/~jr/newsite/
[02:56] <jmg> hah
[02:57] <jmg> whats nonfree about libneon?
[02:59] <Riddell> no idea, what's libneon?
[03:49] <jmg> Riddell: DAV library
[03:49] <Riddell> libneon24 is in main
[03:55] <jmg> Riddell: dfsg
[03:56] <jmg> dfsg designation typically means some nonfree element has been removed
[03:57] <Riddell> see the changelog then
[04:01] <jmg> so is kde 3.5 packages supposed to work or what?
[04:03] <Riddell> they are supposed to yes
[04:04] <jmg> splash sat on interprocess commincation for ages
[04:04] <jmg> then dissapears
[04:05] <Riddell> jmg: new user?
[04:08] <jmg> various whines about .ICE
[04:08] <jmg> i rsync'd my home
[04:09] <Riddell> jmg: is it a new user or one that has run KDE before?
[04:09] <jmg> .kde is my old home
[04:11] <jmg> Riddell: i logged in under my old profile, reinstalled, resynced my old profile
[04:15] <jmg> Riddell: hmm rm -rf .ICEauthority* fixed it
[04:26] <jmg> mmmm kde3.5 is love
[09:15] <seaLne> Riddell: do you know if its possible to get the isos of the dvds or jigdo files for them? i don't seem to be getting anything from the torrents, just so i can help make them available with bt
[09:16] <seaLne> jigdo would be fastest as i have a local mirror
[09:36] <Tm_T> kubuntu.org repositories are down?
[10:20] <author-psi> Riddell: ping
[11:20] <verwilst> new site = nice
[11:20] <OculusAquilae> verwilst: it is
[12:12] <Riddell> author-psi: hi
[12:12] <author-psi> hi riddell
[12:13] <Riddell> seaLne: RC has mirroring issues, hopefully fixed later today
[12:13] <author-psi> Riddell: the new kubuntu.org homepage looks great, but is there a package to translate?
[12:13] <seaLne> k
[12:14] <author-psi> Riddell: or do you use plone?
[12:14] <Tm_T> 10:36 < Tm_T> kubuntu.org repositories are down?
[12:14] <Riddell> author-psi: no, I havn't made it translatable
[12:14] <Tm_T> atleast I can't get package lists from there
[12:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: moved
[12:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah
[12:14] <Riddell> Tm_T: which one?
[12:14] <Tm_T> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[12:15] <Riddell> Tm_T: change to http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35beta1/
[12:15] <Tm_T> thank you sir
[12:15] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:15] <Riddell> author-psi: it's just plain PHP
[12:15] <author-psi> Riddell: did you have a package?
[12:16] <amu> Riddell: got a re from tackat, in this case i'll run a kubuntu booth at LWE :)    
[12:16] <author-psi> Riddell: like the lastone
[12:17] <Riddell> amu: cool
[12:17] <Riddell> author-psi: how do you mean?
[12:18] <author-psi> Riddell: at the older kubuntu.org homepage you send me a package to translate
[12:18] <author-psi> Riddell: i can httrack the site :)
[12:19] <Riddell> it should really be done properly with gettext
[12:19] <author-psi> thats right.. i will se what i can do
[12:20] <author-psi> i must leran this at first 
[12:20] <author-psi> learn 
[12:26] <pef> hello
[12:27] <allee> hi pef
[12:27] <jmg> hey all
[12:27] <JRe> hi
[12:34] <Tm_T> hullo
[12:34] <JRe> it's hello time :)
[12:39] <amu> hi JRe *g*
[12:45] <Tm_T> moi amu
[12:48] <JRe> pourquoi toi ?
[12:49] <Riddell> allee: do you know if it's possible for me to ssh into alioth?
[12:59] <Tonio-> hi there
[01:00] <Tonio-> Tm_T: french ??
[01:00] <Tm_T> not quite
[01:00] <Tm_T> Finnish :)
[01:00] <Tonio-> ok ;) it was just because of JRe's "pourquoi toi ?" ^^
[01:01] <Tm_T> and I have no idea what that means :p
[01:02] <Tonio-> it means "why you ?", simply ;)
[01:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: you said "I'm amu"
[01:03] <Riddell> or "me amu"
[01:03] <Tm_T> no I didn't :p
[01:03] <Riddell> yes you did, it's right there :)
[01:03] <Tm_T> haha
[01:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: what have you done to amu!!!
[01:04] <Tm_T> muhahaha
[01:04] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[01:04] <Tm_T> I mean't "moi" as "hello" :p
[01:04] <Tonio-> "moi amu" means "me amu" in french, simply ;)
[01:04] <Riddell> where is moi hello?
[01:04] <Riddell> shouldn't it be moin?
[01:04] <Riddell> moin is a cool word
[01:04] <Tm_T> finnish :p
[01:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: you really should take more lessons ;)
[01:05] <Tonio-> Riddell: I have a little question concerning kde profiles....
[01:05] <Riddell> Tonio-: hmm?
[01:05] <Tonio-> you apparently disactivated the "Windows" menu
[01:05] <Tonio-> I was using this everytime, and don't know how to reactivated it
[01:05] <Riddell> Tonio-: what's that?
[01:06] <Tonio-> between "configuration" and "help"
[01:06] <Riddell> oh, in the k-menu
[01:06] <Tonio-> with this you had the possibility to split a window horizontaly, vertically
[01:06] <Tonio-> nope, it kde profiles
[01:06] <Riddell> ah, konqueror
[01:06] <Tonio-> s/it/in
[01:07] <Tonio-> ah yes sorry I didn't said it was konqueror (explosed brain today due to yesterday's concert with Dream theater ^^)
[01:07] <JRe> :)
[01:07] <Riddell> cp konqueror-orig.rc konqueror.rc in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/
[01:07] <Tonio-> thanks ;)
[01:08] <Tonio-> problem is that it will be overwritten be updates isn't it ?
[01:08] <Tonio-> s/be/by (damn, explosed fingers too.....)
[01:09] <Tonio-> Riddell: thanks for the info
[01:09] <Tonio-> Riddell: just a second question concerning gstreamer "by default" implementation in kaffeine....
[01:10] <Riddell> hmm?
[01:10] <Tonio-> I (and many others) have lots of problems with it..... why has it been choosen instead of xine ?
[01:10] <Riddell> xine has unspecified legal issues
[01:10] <Tonio-> it is in fact very unstable actually.....
[01:10] <Tonio-> ah ?
[01:11] <Tonio-> plugins/codecs or directly the engine be itself ?
[01:11] <Riddell> also gstreamer is technically a better framework which is why everyone is moving towards using it so we want to support it
[01:11] <Riddell> dunno, I'm not a lawyer :)
[01:11] <jmg> is there any app like quicksilver for kubuntu?
[01:11] <amu> Riddell: mark send ack for 3.4.3 at breezy ? I'm woundert what mdz say :D 
[01:11] <Tonio-> okay i can understand ;) We will just have to wait for gstreamer implementation in kaffeine gets a bit better
[01:11] <Riddell> so if the kaffeine guy gets lots of gstreamer requests maybe he'll patch it up good
[01:12] <Riddell> jmg: funny you should ask...
[01:12] <jmg> Riddell: :)))
[01:12] <Riddell> amu: mark did, mdz says "it's your funeral"
[01:12] <jmg> Riddell: my klaptop bug is in kde3.5b1
[01:13] <jmg> Riddell: makes me sad :(
[01:13] <Riddell> jmg: katapult is the quicksilver for kde
[01:13] <Riddell> jmg: what's the beastie?
[01:13] <jmg> Riddell: is it usable?
[01:13] <amu> Riddell: result is a long weekend  
[01:13] <jmg> Riddell: that bug in klaptop remember --suspend action 2
[01:13] <Riddell> amu: yes, I'm packaging now
[01:13] <jmg> you fixed for me
[01:14] <jmg> Riddell: is there a deb somewhere? or shall i make one? :)
[01:14] <Riddell> jmg: katapult is in breezy
[01:15] <jmg> it is?
[01:15] <jmg> how do i launch?
[01:15] <amu> Riddell: ok, will join at night, if we got packaged everything Sunday 12.00 upload into pool, if something goes wrong or isnt stable 3.4.2 
[01:17] <autor-psi> jmg: space + ctrl
[01:17] <autor-psi> (or alt------9
[01:18] <jmg> autor-psi: space+ctrl+?
[01:21] <autor-psi> jmg: alt + space
[01:21] <autor-psi> then start katapult
[01:21] <autor-psi> (only breezy(
[01:21] <autor-psi> )
[01:24] <jmg> mmmm
[01:24] <jmg> autor
[01:24] <autor-psi> jmg: works?
[01:24] <jmg> its kice, but i still dont know how to select any action other than open
[01:24] <jmg> possible?
[01:24] <autor-psi> press alt+ f2
[01:24] <autor-psi> then launch katapult
[01:24] <jmg> autor: i have
[01:24] <jmg> its nice :)
[01:25] <jmg> but how do i select an action other than open?
[01:25] <Riddell> amu: alt+space for katapult
[01:25] <Riddell> jmg: rather
[01:25] <jmg> jmg: got it
[01:25] <Riddell> jmg: at the moment it just does programmes and bookmarks but we want to add more stuff to it
[01:27] <jmg> between it and kxdocker
[01:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: ping
[01:27] <jmg> ok im gonna do some coding now just for a laugh
[01:27] <Riddell> ug no, kxdocker is evil :)
[01:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: hi
[01:27] <Riddell> jmg: sign up to the kubuntupult project on berlios if you want to help
[01:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: "Kanava on nimelktn !kubuntu.fi ja se lytIRCnetisteti." should be "Kanava on nimeltn !kubuntu.fi ja se lytyy IRCnetist." ;)
[01:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: I need that on a webser
[01:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: I need that on a utf8 webserver
[01:28] <Riddell> irssi doesn't do finnish
[01:28] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:29] <Tm_T> ahh
[01:29] <Tm_T> sorry
[01:29] <Tm_T> trying it again
[01:30] <jmg> Riddell: can i wwrite python for it?
[01:30] <Tm_T> " Kanava on nimeltn !kubuntu.fi ja se lytyy IRCnetist. "
[01:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok now?
[01:31] <Tm_T> latin9 -> utf8 :p
[01:31] <Riddell> ooh, yes
[01:31] <Tm_T> thanks
[01:32] <jmg> Riddell: is there a slicker project? i dont see slicker in kubuntu?
[01:32] <jmg> oh my bad
[01:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: changed
[01:35] <Tm_T> Riddell: many thanks :)
[01:37] <pef> Riddell: hello
[01:37] <Riddell> pef: hi
[01:38] <pef> Riddell: do you think latest kvpnc update (0.8, on REVU)  can break something ?
[01:38] <Riddell> pef: I'll look at it in a bit (when kde 3.4.3 is busy compiling away)
[01:39] <pef> Riddell: thank you ;)
[01:39] <jmg> sigh, looks like kxdocker needs some love :P
[01:39] <jmg> what should i be using? kicker?
[01:40] <jmg> whats the cool people using?
[01:40] <Riddell> superkaramba?
[01:41] <Tm_T> torsmo is lovely
[01:41] <Tm_T> not that candyish, very light
[01:46] <jmg> what about for kicker, systray 
[01:47] <jmg> people really using karamba?
[01:49] <Tm_T> I just use kicker and systray
[01:49] <Tm_T> actually I should take a pic from my desktop
[01:51] <Tm_T> smile ;)
[01:53] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_062.png
[01:54] <jmg> sigh 
[01:54] <jmg> is the display applet ever going to work?
[01:54] <Tm_T> display applet?
[01:55] <jmg> thats nice desktop, what are you using for tailing the log ther?
[01:55] <jmg> Tm_T: kcontrol display... still cant set anything
[01:56] <Tm_T> jmg: I just run kopete from that Eterm... svn stuff so --enable-debug=full
[01:56] <Tm_T> if you mean that
[01:57] <jmg> ah thats an eterm
[01:58] <jmg> is keyboard layout supposed to work? didnt on my workstation
[01:59] <Tm_T> jmg: as you see in that pic, I have some unique artwork there ;)
[02:05] <jmg> hehe
[02:06] <Tm_T> making(=editing) own font was irritating
[02:06] <Tm_T> but worth it
[02:48] <Tonio-> JRe: not registered, so cannot pv ;) I'd be glad to help a bit on kubuntu-fr
[06:27] <seth_k|lappy> Hiya Riddell, who made the decision to make kubuntuforums.net the "official" ones? 1) IMO they are very shoddily designed (even http://kubuntu.de/forum/ looks WAY better) 2) Most people, including myself, just use ubuntuforums.org (which now has a great-looking Kubuntu skin too) 3) which means that people going to the Kubuntuforums will mostly likely be frustrated at the lack of a response / support
[06:28] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: it's basicly because he asked me
[06:28] <Riddell> kubuntu.de looks better but it's kinday german
[06:28] <Riddell> how do I see the ubuntuforums kubuntu skin?
[06:30] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, kassetra hasn't put a header on it yet, but once you're logged in, scroll to the very bottom and hit the dropdown on the left
[06:30] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, header should be done today
[06:31] <\sh> ugh..this discussion hit as well the intl. forums?
[08:32] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343/ breezy main
[08:32] <Riddell> kdebase done
[08:36] <Riddell> amu: fancy doing kdepim?
[08:36] <Riddell> I know how you love kdepim
[08:37] <Tm_T> :)
[09:09] <amu> Riddell: baeh :) it should be fine now, the huge change was only from 3.3 to 3.4
[09:09] <amu> Riddell: /msg :) 
[09:10] <Riddell> amu: great, I'll leave it in your capable hands then :)
[09:11] <amu> :D 
[09:11] <amu> my arts and kdelib packages where fine? 
[09:12] <amu> ... dont forget I didnt packaged kde for 3 months :) 
[09:12] <amu> and there where a lot changes  
[09:13] <Riddell> yep
[09:24] <seth_k|lappy> lol
[09:24] <seth_k|lappy> \sh, that KDE dev was kinda annoyed for no reason re: that AmaroK bug
[09:37] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: which dev?  which bug?
[09:38] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, Mark Kretschmann @ http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113377
[09:49] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, also now the header is up for the Kubuntu theme @ http://kubuntuforums.org
[09:51] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: looks brown to me
[09:51] <seth_k|lappy> need to switch it at the bottom left of the page
[09:52] <seth_k|lappy> it isn't set to pick that one automatically when visiting the kubuntuforums link yet methinks
[10:22] <Tm_T> :o
[10:22] <Tm_T> Riddell: working hard, eh?
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> has anybody else tried Deskzilla yet? It's pretty spiffy: http://www.sethkinast.com/photos/index.php?fpp=10&did=5&fid=1
[10:33] <Tm_T> should I?
[11:38] <amu> Riddell: kdepim build runs now  
[11:59] <jmg> morning guys
[11:59] <jmg> Riddell: do you ever sleep? what tz are you in?
[11:59] <sebas> utc-1, IIRC.
[12:00] <jmg> is it more important for me to be testing 2.5b1 or breezy?
[12:00] <jmg> 3.5b1*
[12:02] <jmg> 3.5b1 shows some low level bugs already fixed for breezy