[12:12] <philipacamaniac> anybody have any speedup tips for OpenOffice.org2 ?
[12:12] <philipacamaniac> other than prelink
[12:13] <philipacamaniac> I've got a 1.1Ghz PIII with 512MB ram, and it takes about 1:32 seconds to start Writer
[12:14] <philipacamaniac> sadly. Wine and MSWord is way faster (about 7 seconds)
[12:14] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: there have been long discussions about that...
[12:14] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[12:15] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: I suggest a couple of things...
[12:15] <philipacamaniac> I've already disabled java and increased OOo2's memory usage
[12:15] <philipacamaniac> but what else do you have?
[12:15] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: one is to make sure that '/proc/sys/vm/page-cluster' is zero. This is in general a very good idea, and even better with OOo
[12:16] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: another is to _reduce_ the memory usage.
[12:16] <philipacamaniac> oh...hmm...
[12:16] <philipacamaniac> page-cluster is 3
[12:16] <philipacamaniac> how to change?
[12:16] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: 'echo 0 >| /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster'
[12:17] <philipacamaniac> oh duh
[12:17] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: then use a preloader... like http://ooqstart.sourceforge.net/
[12:17] <philipacamaniac> well that's the other problem - it
[12:17] <philipacamaniac> whoops
[12:18] <philipacamaniac> it's a laptop and I can't have the boottime slowed either
[12:18] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: or http://segfaultskde.berlios.de/index.html
[12:18] <philipacamaniac> I'm pushing the limits of Linux here :)
[12:18] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: then make sure that the file system in which OOo and its libraries are freshly loaded. This defragments them.
[12:19] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: read this for an idea of the importance: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-3rd.html#050913
[12:19] <philipacamaniac> Blissex: thanks for all this
[12:20] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: the basic problem is that OOo is a desktop environment of its own, and needs to load a lot of stuff as it starts, not just as to amount of data, but also as to how scattered things are.
[12:20] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: thanks for the appreciation.
[12:21] <Blissex> philipacamaniac: also, and this is not very appreciated, minimize the number of fonts available. The more fonts the more certain terrible aspects of the font manager happen.
[12:22] <philipacamaniac> thanks. regarding OOo as a DE, so, what you're saying is, kword and abiword need better MSOffice support so we can use them instead. :)
[12:24] <philipacamaniac> so far so good
[12:30] <`Nomad> Hi all.  WOul danyone have recommendations for software to be used to manage a linux box as s wifi hotspot?
[12:30] <`Nomad> as 'a' wifi hotspot
[12:32] <Tomasz> Hiya ... Do I have to mount my hard drive everytime I start Linux ?
[12:32] <Tomasz> or is tehre a possibility to save settings or something 
[12:38] <beast> has anyone been able to install PyKDE on kubuntu?
[12:46] <hippie> how to start dhcp server?
[12:48] <amu>  /etc/init.d/dhcp-server start
[12:51] <hippie> thanks amu
[12:51] <amu> etc/init.d/dhcp3-server sorry
[12:54] <amu> of course you have first to change/add it's config, that it will work without problems
[12:56] <jmg> guys, latest update breaks my grub and installs lilo
[12:56] <Tm_T> eh?!
[12:56] <amu> hoary update? 
[01:46] <}-SiRi-{> hellow
[01:53] <aliveuser> hi
[02:06] <phoenixbyrd> can anyone help me with getting the realplayer plugin to work in firefox?
[02:06] <phoenixbyrd> the two files are in the right place, it's just not working tho :/
[02:10] <[t0rc] > An issue, I have. I need to edit my grub boot file to correct some errors in it, and it won't allow me access to the file. I open it after typing sudo -s in the Terminal Emulator and it will open the file but will not allow me to save it. Still says I don't have permission. How would i go about fixing this?
[02:13] <phoenixbyrd> try this, right click the file, goto actions then edit as root
[02:38] <Geno__> Hello everyone.
[02:43] <mattr> hi
[02:43] <Tm_T> yes?
[02:44] <[t0rc] > hi
[02:44] <mattr> can anybody tell me why kpersonalizer keeps running everytime i log with KDE 3.5 from KDM?
[02:45] <Tm_T> eh
[02:46] <Tm_T> it shouldn't run at all in any startup
[02:46] <mattr> exactly
[02:47] <Tm_T> anyway, should be in school in 4h so not much time to sleep ->
[02:50] <mattr> k, removing /etc/kderc doesn't help
[03:20] <izut> Hi there.
[03:21] <izut> Someone here uses the 'Luxi Sans' font?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:51] <jsubl2> kubuntu breeezy is really lookin good.  I did a fresh install last night
[03:51] <Hobbsee> it is
[03:51] <Hobbsee> looks good, doesnt sound good though :P
[03:52] <Hobbsee> sometime i'll figure that out
[03:52] <jsubl2> huh
[03:52] <jsubl2> solid for me
[03:52] <Hobbsee> my sound is screwed for some reason 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> had it semi working last night, then went dead again
[03:52] <Hobbsee> oh well
[03:52] <jsubl2> mine worked ot of the box
[03:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: lspci -v |grep -i audio
[03:53] <Hobbsee> 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[04:02] <logikal_> hey guys
[04:02] <logikal_> what's up?
[04:03] <Geno__> hey again :p
[04:03] <Geno__> not much people now
[04:03] <Geno__> ask the question anyway
[04:03] <logikal_> me?
[04:03] <logikal_> I just want to make kubuntu look good
[04:03] <Geno__> yeah
[04:03] <logikal_> any KDE theme sites?
[04:03] <Hobbsee>  logikal: kde-look.org
[04:03] <Hobbsee> and all of the ones off there
[04:04] <Hobbsee> like the kde-apps site, etc
[04:04] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[04:04] <logikal_> Also, I want to know how to mount my windows drives. I did it in gnome, but now im on KDE
[04:04] <Dhraakellian> I *still* haven't updated my auto-join sottings?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> same way as in gnome
[04:04] <Hobbsee> well, using the command line, anyway
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ubuntuguide.org
[04:05] <logikal_> I downloaded some program
[04:05] <logikal_> and ran it
[04:06] <Hobbsee> not terribly useful information - there are plenty of programs out there...
[04:07] <Geno__> With GNOME I just clicked on a few things and it was done
[04:07] <Geno__> no command line
[04:09] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:09] <Hobbsee> it's really simple via the command line
[04:09] <Hobbsee> just replace "gedit" with "kwrite"
[04:09] <Geno__> In system and then something else and then Disks, I cliked on the partitions tab and then clicked on the win partition, type /windwos for mount and then clicked on ok
[04:09] <logikal_> Hobbsee, 
[04:10] <logikal_> I used winmac_fstab
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i found command line way easier lol
[04:10] <logikal_> and it already was done
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[04:10] <logikal_> Now whats the best program to use to browse drives?
[04:10] <logikal_> I need to get these on amaroK
[04:10] <logikal_> mp3's that is..
[04:10] <Hobbsee> konqueror
[04:11] <Hobbsee> and open amarok, and tell it to scan wherever they are
[04:11] <logikal_> In konqueror
[04:11] <logikal_> I go to Media
[04:11] <logikal_> and it's empty
[04:11] <jsubl2> Geno__: open konqueror -- F9 if needed to see the side area.  click on the root folder icons far left.  browse to /media/hda1 or whereever you windows is
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i thought you had your windows mounted...
[04:11] <logikal_> I do
[04:11] <logikal_> but the damn thing is empty
[04:12] <Hobbsee> well where is it mounted then?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> or did you only mount for that session, and not tell it to mount at bootup?
[04:12] <logikal_> let me look really quick
[04:12] <logikal_> It moutns all the time
[04:12] <jsubl2> on breezy it is mounted under /media
[04:12] <logikal_> I ran the program again, said it was already mounted
[04:13] <logikal_> error: libhal_device_get_property_type: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchDevice: No device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_1
[04:13] <logikal_> Ignoring /dev/sda1 - already in /etc/fstab
[04:13] <logikal_> error: libhal_device_get_property_type: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchDevice: No device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_8_1
[04:13] <logikal_> Ignoring /dev/sdb1 - already in /etc/fstab
[04:13] <logikal_> No usable windows/mac partitions found
[04:13] <logikal_> etc/fstab
[04:13] <logikal_> what the hell.
[04:14] <phoenixbyrd> windows just sux, give up
[04:14] <Hobbsee> post your /etc/fstab
[04:14] <logikal_> I hate windows.
[04:14] <jsubl2> use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[04:15] <logikal_> yeah but does it mount everytime linux fires up?
[04:15] <logikal_> oh
[04:15] <logikal_> the paste bin
[04:15] <logikal_> you want me to paste the code?
[04:15] <jsubl2> etc/fstab
[04:15] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:16] <Hobbsee> and then give us the link to it
[04:17] <logikal_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385778
[04:17] <phoenixbyrd> when I was using mandrake it mounted my windows drive np. Then windows killed my hard drive, installed it on a new one, but couldn't reactivate it, found out how the reactivation process works, NOW I'm a full time linux user 
[04:18] <phoenixbyrd> if u need any windows stuff, get wine and winex
[04:18] <Hobbsee> logikal: in the console:  sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[04:18] <logikal_> I just want to mount the hard drives.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> then paste it in the pastebin
[04:18] <logikal_> paste what?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> logikal: in the console:  sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[04:19] <Hobbsee> it opens up a text file, and stick the contents of that file in the pastebin
[04:19] <Geno__> does Visual Studio .NET work under Linux without a clone?
[04:20] <logikal_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385782
[04:20] <logikal_> there
[04:22] <jsubl2> logikal_: ls /media/sda1
[04:22] <logikal_> in konsole?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:22] <logikal_> No such file or directory.
[04:23] <logikal_> neither 1 nor 2
[04:23] <logikal_> doesn't work
[04:23] <jsubl2> here is mine http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385787
[04:24] <jsubl2> Hobbsee: man those entries for /media/0 ... the windows stuff looks pretty odd.. never seen anything like it
[04:24] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ ls /dev/sda1
[04:24] <logikal_> /dev/sda1
[04:24] <jsubl2> ls /dev/sda1/
[04:25] <jsubl2> nm that one
[04:25] <Hobbsee> logikal_: how about you try the ubuntuguide way to do it, and see if that works
[04:25] <logikal_> where is it?
[04:25] <logikal_> Ok
[04:25] <logikal_> Im there
[04:25] <logikal_> let me try it before i flip out.
[04:26] <segfault2k> is a way to force to eject the cdrw?
[04:26] <segfault2k> sometimes in kubuntu i cant open the tray
[04:27] <logikal_> guys
[04:27] <segfault2k> (sorry my english)
[04:27] <logikal_> How can i make it read/write ?
[04:27] <Geno__> is it hard to do a full Linux switch?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> your ntfs?
[04:27] <jsubl2> segfault2k: sudo eject cdrom0
[04:27] <logikal_> yeah
[04:27] <segfault2k> [22:27]  <jsubl2> segfault2k: sudo eject cdrom0 <- not work :(
[04:27] <Hobbsee> segfault2k: check that you have the package "eject" installed
[04:27] <logikal_> this only has a thing for read only ntfs
[04:27] <segfault2k> i have it
[04:27] <jsubl2> segfault2k: sudo eject cdrom
[04:28] <segfault2k> nope
[04:28] <segfault2k> dont work :(
[04:28] <jsubl2> right click the icon on the desktop and select eject
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !ntfs
[04:29] <logikal_> Hobbsee !ntfs
[04:29] <logikal_> hobsee
[04:29] <Hobbsee> writing to ntfs is buggy and can corrupt your entire ntfs drive
[04:29] <logikal_> I need to change this line
[04:29] <logikal_> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0
[04:29] <Hobbsee> to be what?
[04:30] <logikal_> It tells me to append that at the end of gedit etc/fstab
[04:30] <logikal_> well my 
[04:30] <logikal_> windows drives are labeled sba1 and 2
[04:30] <logikal_> do i need to change anything?
[04:30] <logikal_> sda1
[04:30] <Hobbsee> sudo fdisk -l 
[04:30] <logikal_> and
[04:30] <Hobbsee> in the console: sudo fdisk -l
[04:31] <logikal_> k
[04:31] <TokenBad> in kontact how do you view html mail? instead of just plain text?
[04:31] <logikal_> dev/sda1
[04:32] <logikal_> and sdb2
[04:32] <logikal_> are my ntfs partitions
[04:32] <jsubl2> TokenBad: in kontact Settings - configure kmail - it is under the security tab
[04:32] <logikal_> that I need to mount.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> right
[04:32] <logikal_> so this line is correct, /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0 
[04:32] <logikal_> ?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:33] <TokenBad> ahhhh...thanks jsubl2
[04:33] <jsubl2> :)
[04:33] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo mount -a
[04:33] <logikal_> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[04:33] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$
[04:33] <logikal_> I hate life.
[04:33] <jsubl2> relax... breathe deep
[04:34] <TokenBad> don't use hda1..use sda1
[04:34] <jsubl2> logikal_: you on hoary or breeezy
[04:34] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[04:34] <logikal_> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[04:34] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$      
[04:34] <TokenBad> or whatever fdisk puts as your disk
[04:34] <logikal_> breezy
[04:34] <logikal_> he just told me the line was right!
[04:34] <logikal_> ahhhhh
[04:34] <logikal_> alsdfjlka;s
[04:34] <jsubl2> vmware install
[04:34] <logikal_> I need to smoke a cigg brb 
[04:34] <logikal_> i need to get a lighter
[04:34] <Geno__> you're not capable of mouting your drive, is that it?
[04:34] <logikal_> no I am
[04:35] <logikal_> IT was mounted
[04:35] <TokenBad> Geno__, think I got it
[04:35] <TokenBad> heheh
[04:35] <logikal_> now it broke itself
[04:35] <Hobbsee> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[04:35] <Hobbsee> no, hang on, that's not it
[04:35] <Hobbsee> i'll write it out in pastebin
[04:36] <logikal_> http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:36] <logikal_> can you write it, so it mounts on boot?
[04:36] <logikal_> please
[04:37] <jsubl2> i think this is the problem. /dev/sda1 /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(sda1) ntfs
[04:37] <jsubl2> I would try changing it to /dev/sda1 /media/sda1  then mkdir /media/sda1 
[04:38] <jsubl2> never seen an fstab entry like that one.... but, that don't mean it is wrong... not sure
[04:39] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385804
[04:39] <jsubl2> and comment out the entries in fstab for that drive
[04:40] <jsubl2> the old entries  that is
[04:42] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[04:42] <logikal_> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-logikal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:42] <logikal_> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:42] <logikal_> Error: "/tmp/kde-logikal" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:42] <logikal_> Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
[04:42] <Hobbsee> yes, it always shows that, ignore it
[04:42] <Hobbsee> kwrite should come up
[04:43] <Hobbsee> you want to stick a # in front of line 11 and 13 as well
[04:43] <Hobbsee> in the fstab that you're editing
[04:43] <logikal_> why?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> to comment it out so it doestn try and mount those drives from there
[04:44] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo mount -a
[04:44] <logikal_> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[04:44] <logikal_> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/windows busy
[04:44] <logikal_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is mounted on /media/0 GB Disk (sda1)
[04:44] <logikal_> mount: special device /dev/sdb2 does not exist
[04:45] <jsubl2> might need a reboot to clean out those other mountsz
[04:45] <logikal_> well
[04:45] <logikal_> I stuck a # infront of them
[04:45] <logikal_> then did it again
[04:45] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo mount -a
[04:45] <logikal_> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[04:45] <Hobbsee> stick an enter at the end of the fstab :P
[04:45] <Hobbsee> that will get rid of that warning for you
[04:46] <logikal_> what do you mean stick and enter?
[04:46] <jsubl2> goto the bottom of the file and strike the enter key
[04:46] <logikal_> Ok I mounted
[04:46] <logikal_> no error
[04:46] <Hobbsee> or return, depending on how your keyboard is marked
[04:46] <Hobbsee> :D
[04:47] <logikal_> and There is still nothing in media
[04:47] <logikal_> return is oldschool :\
[04:47] <Hobbsee> lol...there are some very oldschool keyboards out there though
[04:47] <logikal_> An error occurred while loading media:/sda1/:
[04:47] <Hobbsee> no, you're trying to load /media/windows
[04:48] <logikal_> An error occurred while loading media:/windows/:
[04:48] <logikal_> :(
[04:48] <Hobbsee> try typing in /media/windows/
[04:48] <Hobbsee> into konqueror
[04:48] <Hobbsee> no :'s
[04:48] <jsubl2> it is already mounted on the other mount point ... reboot to clean it out
[04:48] <logikal_> An error occurred while loading locate:media/windows/:
[04:48] <logikal_> Ok
[04:48] <logikal_> can i do a ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:49] <logikal_> will that clear it
[04:49] <logikal_> ?
[04:49] <jsubl2> no
[04:49] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[04:49] <Hobbsee> full reboot
[04:49] <logikal_> ok well let me reboot and see what's up
[04:49] <logikal_> thanks for the help, brb
[04:49] <jsubl2> hello knoppix
[04:50] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: hope this works...
[04:50] <jsubl2> me too.  i hope he commented out those 2 bad mounts in the fstab
[04:50] <Hobbsee> that'd be nice
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i'll get him to do another pasting of the fstab to the pastebin, then we can modify it
[04:50] <Hobbsee> obviously that program is dodgy
[04:51] <Hobbsee> !ntfs
[04:51] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> not sure why the bot is saying it
[04:51] <jsubl2> i think winmac_fstab is what foobar'd it
[04:51] <Hobbsee> i'd just point the bot straight to the ubuntuguide.org windows mounting guide
[04:51] <Hobbsee> definetly
[04:51] <jsubl2> breezy set mine up fine on install
[04:51] <Hobbsee> can we modify the bot :P
[04:52] <jsubl2> sata disk
[04:52] <Hobbsee> i dont think mine automounted...or maybe it did...
[04:52] <jsubl2> i think you need an op to do that.... not sure
[04:52] <Hobbsee> actually, it might have
[04:52] <logikal_> alright
[04:52] <logikal_> lets see
[04:52] <Hobbsee> how'd it work?
[04:53] <logikal_> It didnt...
[04:53] <jsubl2> ls /media
[04:53] <Hobbsee> post your fstab in pastebin
[04:53] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ ls /media
[04:53] <logikal_> 0 GB Disk (sda1)  cdrom   cdrom1  floppy0  windows2
[04:53] <logikal_> 0 GB Disk (sdb1)  cdrom0  floppy  windows
[04:53] <logikal_> ???
[04:53] <Hobbsee> well there you go
[04:53] <jsubl2> good post the fstab
[04:54] <jsubl2> ls /media/windows
[04:54] <logikal_> post the fstab?
[04:54] <jsubl2> please
[04:54] <Hobbsee> windows and windows2 are where your windows partitions are :)
[04:54] <Hobbsee> yes, post the fstab in the pastebin
[04:54] <logikal_> I know hobsee but how do i get to them?
[04:54] <jsubl2> konqueror
[04:54] <Hobbsee> spell the name correctly or it doesnt go red :P
[04:54] <logikal_> media:/ is empty..
[04:54] <propagandhi> are there any kubuntu devels in here
[04:55] <Hobbsee> yes, but i dont know if they're currently active
[04:56] <propagandhi> ok, does anyone know whats going on with the kde 3.5 beta repos
[04:56] <Hobbsee> logikal_: sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[04:56] <logikal_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385818
[04:56] <Hobbsee> they exist?
[04:56] <logikal_> there
[04:56] <Hobbsee> what about them propagandhi?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> right, i'im going to modify this, and get you to cut and paste it, cna you do that?
[04:56] <logikal_> hah
[04:56] <logikal_> I see them now!
[04:57] <logikal_> wtf
[04:57] <logikal_> they are mounted weird
[04:57] <logikal_> I see windows and windows2 folders in /media
[04:57] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385819
[04:57] <Hobbsee> good 
[04:57] <logikal_> empty
[04:57] <Hobbsee> make that your entire fstab
[04:57] <logikal_> they are mounted media/sdb1
[04:57] <logikal_> they are mounted media/sda1
[04:58] <Hobbsee> good
[04:58] <Hobbsee> i've just fixed your code
[04:58] <Hobbsee> now you need to get rid of all the text in your fstab, and replace it with what's in the pastebin
[04:58] <Hobbsee> can you do that?
[04:58] <logikal_> I already did
[04:58] <logikal_> Im not a nobbie
[04:58] <Geno__> Is copying files from Windows to Linux any good?
[04:58] <logikal_> well
[04:58] <logikal_> I am
[04:59] <logikal_> but not a real stupid one
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Geno__: yes
[04:59] <logikal_> Ok so i did that Hobbsee 
[04:59] <logikal_> what should I do now?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> i know, but the way you did what we last told you to do...well, i didnt want to take any chances :)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> save it
[04:59] <Hobbsee> sudo mount -a
[04:59] <logikal_> I already did that
[04:59] <Hobbsee> then check the media folders
[04:59] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ sudo mount -a
[04:59] <logikal_> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[04:59] <logikal_> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /media/windows busy
[04:59] <logikal_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is mounted on /media/0 GB Disk (sda1)
[04:59] <logikal_> mount: special device /dev/sdb2 does not exist
[05:00] <Hobbsee> all right
[05:00] <logikal_> they are still there
[05:00] <Hobbsee> put an enter at the end of the last line of the fstab again
[05:00] <Hobbsee> better still...
[05:00] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385821
[05:00] <Hobbsee> paste that as your entire fstab, and put an enter at the end
[05:00] <Hobbsee> then save
[05:00] <logikal_> Uhh
[05:01] <logikal_> fstab is empty!
[05:01] <Hobbsee> as in, doesnt exist, or is an empty file?
[05:01] <logikal_> empty file
[05:01] <Hobbsee> right
[05:01] <Hobbsee> well if it's empty, that makes it easier
[05:01] <logikal_> nm
[05:01] <logikal_> Im good
[05:01] <Hobbsee> paste the contents of http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385821 in there, and save it
[05:02] <Hobbsee> once that's done, reboot
[05:02] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:03] <logikal_> reboot?
[05:03] <logikal_> brb
[05:03] <Hobbsee> k
[05:03] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:06] <Hobbsee> propaghandi: what did you want to know about the kde 3.5 beta repos?
[05:06] <propagandhi> Hobbsee: they seem to be failing for me
[05:06] <Hobbsee> how so?  what error message?
[05:06] <propagandhi> i've already upgraded using them, but now they're failing
[05:06] <logikal_> Oh
[05:07] <logikal_> Ok
[05:07] <logikal_> hobsee
[05:07] <logikal_> only windows works
[05:07] <Hobbsee> double b, otherwise it doesnt flash
[05:07] <logikal_> windows2 doesn't work
[05:07] <propagandhi> as in, the address cant be resolved, even in the web browser
[05:07] <kkathman> hey all :)
[05:07] <Hobbsee> morning kkathman - how did yesterday's install go?
[05:07] <logikal_> sdb1 is unmounted
[05:07] <logikal_> ??
[05:07] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[05:07] <kkathman> howdy Hobbsee :)   Well I could never get the image to burn
[05:07] <Hobbsee> so they are, they're definetly dead
[05:08] <Hobbsee> really kkathman?  why not?
[05:08] <kkathman> I dont know why, I had no problem with the others
[05:08] <propagandhi> Hobbsee: weird stuff
[05:08] <Hobbsee> was working yesterday
[05:08] <logikal_> Hobbsee, :\
[05:08] <propagandhi> yeah i know
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's up with the kde 3.5 beta repos?
[05:08] <Cheapie> http://kubuntuforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1116#1116 ?
[05:08] <logikal_> Hobbsee,  only media/windows/ is mounted media/windows2/ is not
[05:08] <kkathman> Usually what I do is download the ISO and burn it with a RAW write using Padus Dusk Juggler
[05:08] <Hobbsee> right, sdb1 is unmounted...
[05:08] <logikal_> and the sda1 and sdb2 are unmounted
[05:09] <logikal_> well i wanna mount it
[05:09] <logikal_> I have 2 NTFS partitions
[05:09] <Hobbsee> so media/windows/ works?
[05:09] <kkathman> but the disk would go to the end and then crap out with a block error at the end...none of the other disks ever did
[05:09] <Hobbsee> has the files in it?
[05:09] <logikal_> yes
[05:09] <logikal_> yes
[05:09] <logikal_> has the correct files in it.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> kkathman: yuck.  it worked ok from here
[05:09] <kkathman> what did you use to burn?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> logikal_: great, so that one's definetly right
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ah...nero on the other comp
[05:09] <logikal_> yeah
[05:10] <kkathman> nero?
[05:10] <logikal_> Can we get the other one mounted?
[05:10] <logikal_> cd burning program.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> logikal_: working on that
[05:10] <kkathman> Really I didnt think it could burn as ISO
[05:10] <Hobbsee> it can
[05:10] <Hobbsee> burn as an image
[05:10] <logikal_> Nero does everything.
[05:10] <kkathman> hmmm I have Nero...I'll try that
[05:10] <logikal_> Nero is what burned this cd to install this Distro of ubuntu which im on right now..
[05:10] <logikal_> :)
[05:10] <kkathman> I just always used Disk Juggler
[05:10] <Geno__> Everything in terms of burning :p
[05:11] <kkathman> Yah I got Nero...just that I never used it to burn an ISO
[05:11] <kkathman> and I never had a prob with Diks Juggler
[05:11] <Hobbsee> in console: sudo fdisk -l
[05:11] <kkathman> oh well
[05:11] <kkathman> I'll try again
[05:11] <jsubl2> k3b is a nice burning program
[05:11] <kkathman> Hobbsee: did you get yours installed ok?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> yes, with the exception of sound
[05:12] <Hobbsee> and reboot seems to shutdown, then leave my HDD light on and spinning
[05:12] <kkathman> ooo that doesnt sound good
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oh, and some major earlier entire freezes, fixed by the power button
[05:12] <Hobbsee> no, not really
[05:12] <kkathman> hmm
[05:12] <Hobbsee> logikal_:in console: sudo fdisk -l 
[05:12] <kkathman> maybe its not quite ready for prime time?
[05:13] <jsubl2> is for me
[05:13] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i've had the same thing happen each time i've dist upgraded
[05:13] <kkathman> ohh really?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:13] <Hobbsee> never figured it out
[05:13] <jsubl2> clean installs are a better way to go
[05:13] <kkathman> I didnt have any probs when I dist-upg from Warty
[05:13] <Hobbsee> true...but i still have no sound...or do occasoinally
[05:14] <Hobbsee> logikal_: you still around?
[05:14] <kkathman> well I dont use sound on my linux box anyway
[05:14] <jsubl2> you have to install akode-mpeg for mp3 i think
[05:14] <kkathman> my linux box is an inexpensive one with a just MB sound so its not so good
[05:14] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:15] <Hobbsee> this is a laptop that has sound working fine with hoary, and not breezy
[05:15] <Hobbsee> go figure
[05:15] <kkathman> My Winbox has the big sound system
[05:15] <kkathman> ahhh
[05:15] <kkathman> I mean my sound works in Linux, but when I move the mouse anywhere, the speakers hummmmm
[05:16] <Hobbsee> weird!
[05:17] <Hobbsee> kkathman: i'm wishing that there's a way i can copy my sound configurations from hoary to breezy, but i wouldnt know which files to take
[05:18] <jsubl2> i wonder which kernel module it needs
[05:20] <jsubl2> Hobbsee: did you try alsamixer and make sure it was not muted
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i wonder where those kde 3.5 beta 1 packages moved to...
[05:25] <jsubl2> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu
[05:25] <logikal_> Hobbsee, 
[05:25] <logikal_> im here buddy
[05:25] <logikal_> what's up?
[05:26] <Geno__> Hobbsee: It's just weird that sound doesn't work with Breezy, should be vice-versa
[05:26] <Hobbsee> did you get the second windows drive sorted?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Geno__that's what i would have thought!
[05:26] <logikal_> nope
[05:26] <logikal_> I just did
[05:27] <logikal_> sudo fdisk -l
[05:28] <Hobbsee> and what did it show you?
[05:29] <logikal_> umm
[05:29] <jsubl2> deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu breezy main
[05:30] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: trying
[05:31] <Hobbsee> logikal_: post to pastebin
[05:33] <logikal_> Hobbsee, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385836
[05:33] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: the ftp timed out....
[05:34] <jsubl2> bummer
[05:34] <jsubl2> i have not tried it.. i am on 3.4.2
[05:34] <Hobbsee> jsubl2: it's very nice
[05:34] <jsubl2> breezy default
[05:35] <logikal_> Hobbsee,  what do you think?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> can you check out that partition list of logikal_'s?  
[05:35] <jsubl2> i am going to wait till it is complete beta2 maybe or rc1
[05:35] <Hobbsee> seems pretty stable from here
[05:35] <Hobbsee> just the repositories it was from have gone awol!
[05:35] <logikal_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385836
[05:36] <Hobbsee> awaiting jsubl2's response about the pastebin
[05:36] <KiwiKibi> yee hah.  got me a Kubuntu LiveCD.   where's the manual?  how do i launch KDE gui?
[05:36] <logikal_> It doesnt come with KDE does it?
[05:36] <jsubl2> so the 2nd windows disk is sdb1
[05:36] <logikal_> oh kubuntu
[05:36] <logikal_> correct
[05:36] <Hobbsee> KiwiKibi: manual is already there, it will boot to gui automaticlaly
[05:36] <jsubl2> night night.
[05:37] <logikal_> wekk hobbsee
[05:37] <logikal_> well
[05:37] <logikal_> we lost him
[05:37] <Hobbsee> that we did
[05:37] <KiwiKibi> nah.  alls i'm getting is "ubuntu@ubuntu:$" prompt
[05:37] <Hobbsee> #
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Disk /dev/sdb
[05:38] <KiwiKibi> yay, MS-DOS allover again
[05:38] <Hobbsee> try (in console): ls Disk /dev/sdb
[05:38] <Hobbsee> lol KiwiKibi - which version did you get?
[05:38] <KiwiKibi> 5.04
[05:38] <KiwiKibi> Hoagsy Hoe
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, 5.10 has a pretty splash screen
[05:38] <logikal_> no workie
[05:38] <Hobbsee> it's much prettier
[05:39] <Hobbsee> didnt think it would, but thought it was worth a try
[05:39] <KiwiKibi> 5.10 not stable release
[05:39] <Hobbsee> KiwiKibi: sudo startx
[05:39] <Hobbsee> true
[05:39] <KiwiKibi> so, what's the comand?
[05:39] <Geno__> g'night I gotta qui IRC and do the work I didn't do yesterday
[05:39] <Hobbsee> startx?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> lol Geno__
[05:39] <logikal_> hobbsee
[05:39] <logikal_> I got the first hard drive mounted
[05:39] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:39] <logikal_> what about the second one?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ls /dev/sdb1 do anything?
[05:40] <KiwiKibi> 'k, thanks
[05:40] <KiwiKibi> sudo == superuser do ?
[05:40] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~$ ls /dev/sdb1
[05:40] <logikal_> /dev/sdb1
[05:41] <logikal_> and it's yellow
[05:41] <Hobbsee> ah, yep, that's it
[05:41] <Hobbsee> get out your fstab again
[05:41] <Hobbsee> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[05:42] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385843
[05:42] <Hobbsee> put that as your entire fstab
[05:42] <logikal_> Ok
[05:42] <Hobbsee> then sudo mount -a
[05:42] <logikal_> done
[05:42] <Hobbsee> now try
[05:42] <logikal_> same thing.
[05:43] <logikal_> that was my fstab i think
[05:43] <logikal_> 11 lines
[05:43] <Hobbsee> i modified it slightly
[05:43] <logikal_> wait
[05:43] <Hobbsee> so assumign you saved it, it should work
[05:43] <logikal_> it mounted!
[05:43] <Hobbsee> :D:D:D
[05:43] <satafterh> release candidate and final, whats the diferance?? new to linix world?
[05:43] <logikal_> It mounted!!!
[05:43] <logikal_> YAAY
[05:43] <Hobbsee> yay!
[05:43] <logikal_> :)
[05:43] <logikal_> :):):):):):):):):)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> satafter: a few bugs
[05:44] <Hobbsee> final should have less bugs than RC
[05:44] <Hobbsee> *cheers with logikal_*
[05:44] <logikal_> hahah
[05:44] <logikal_> thanks so much
[05:44] <logikal_> these will mount on boot?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:44] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[05:44] <logikal_> thanks so much buddy
[05:44] <logikal_> :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> and get rid of that rotten other progrma
[05:45] <Hobbsee> it's dodgy
[05:45] <logikal_> what program
[05:45] <satafterh> so if i have release candidate installed can i just keep updating or do i have to/should insyall final ?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> !ntfs
[05:45] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> that one, the winmac_fstab one you mentioned earlier
[05:45] <logikal_> Ok
[05:45] <logikal_> how do i get rid of it?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> satafterh: if you use the RC, then keep updating it, it will effectively be the same as teh final
[05:46] <Hobbsee> how did you install it in teh first place?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> thru synaptic?
[05:46] <logikal_> no no
[05:46] <logikal_> let me look
[05:46] <satafterh> ok thanks
[05:46] <logikal_> one sec
[05:46] <Hobbsee> k
[05:46] <logikal_> # Instructions for use:
[05:46] <logikal_> #  - Save this file on your local hard drive
[05:46] <logikal_> #  - Open a terminal and type sudo bash winmac_fstab
[05:46] <logikal_> #  - If sudo asks for a password, use your own password
[05:46] <logikal_> #  - Your windows and mac partitions will now be mounted everytime
[05:46] <logikal_> #    you boot. You can delete this script now
[05:47] <Hobbsee> delete the script then
[05:47] <logikal_> Ok
[05:47] <logikal_> deleted from home dir and desktop
[05:48] <Hobbsee> :D
[05:48] <Hobbsee> dreaded program
[05:48] <KiwiKibi> ubotu: how do I mount HPFS partitions?
[05:48] <ubotu> KiwiKibi: I give up, what is it?
[05:49] <logikal_> Oh know.
[05:49] <KiwiKibi> High Performance File System--an IBM thang
[05:49] <logikal_> Oh no!
[05:49] <logikal_> not again Hobbsee  hahahaha
[05:49] <Hobbsee> LOL
[05:49] <logikal_> :)
[05:49] <logikal_> Have fun, Im not helping haha!
[05:49] <Hobbsee> HIgh performance file system?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> lol...i could tell you how to figure it out...
[05:49] <logikal_> what the hel lis HPFS anyhow
[05:50] <Hobbsee> High Performance File System--an IBM thang
[05:50] <Hobbsee> never heard of it, but i take it's that
[05:50] <Hobbsee> !HPFS
[05:50] <ubotu> I don't know, Hobbsee
[05:50] <logikal_> I've heard of it.
[05:50] <logikal_> never used it or anything
[05:51] <Hobbsee> KiwiKibi: what's on the HPFS partition?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> lol no, i have teeth....they bite, too!
[05:51] <KiwiKibi> on the HPFS partition are files
[05:51] <Hobbsee> !paste
[05:51] <ubotu> I heard paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[05:51] <KiwiKibi> directories--folders in Winspeak--and files
[05:52] <logikal_> what OS uses HPFS?
[05:52] <logikal_> Windows right?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> we shall see
[05:53] <Hobbsee> sudo fdisk -l
[05:53] <Hobbsee> stick that in a console, and post it
[05:53] <Hobbsee> *paste it in the pastebin
[05:53] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[05:53] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:53] <KiwiKibi> Linux distros lists of features say they support HPFS, along with NTFS, FAT32, and a bunch of *ix file systems.  So, how do i mount the HPFS?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> KiwiKibi: in a console, type "sudo fdisk -l" without the quotes
[05:54] <Hobbsee> KiwiKibi: paste what it gives you in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ and give us the link for it
[05:55] <KiwiKibi> you want a list of partitions found by FDISK? 
[05:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:55] <KiwiKibi> what, honey, you don't believe me?  you think i'm a cheap hoe?
[05:56] <logikal_> no
[05:56] <Hobbsee> do you want help, or do you want to be booted?
[05:56] <logikal_> we're trying to help you, don't be an idiot
[05:56] <propagandhi> KiwiKibi: have you tried mount -t hpfs /dev/hdxX /mnt/directory
[05:56] <Hobbsee> if you're going to be a pain, then you wont get any help at all
[05:57] <logikal_> Do what we/they say.
[05:57] <logikal_> and we will/they will help you.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> of course, we could leave it to you to figure it out, you'll need to figure out which hdxX it's on...and then you'd be fine
[05:57] <propagandhi> KiwiKibi: i'd also suggest you consult the mount man page or http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mount.8.html
[05:58] <KiwiKibi> so, are you saying by your refusal to say what's the syntax to mount a file system that there is no need to say it because Linux by default mounts ALL FILE SYSTEMS it supports, including HFS, JFS, EXT2, EXT3, NTFS, FAT32, NFS, XFS, and all others it supports?
[05:58] <KiwiKibi> oh, and HPFS?
[05:58] <propagandhi> KiwiKibi: people need to do a little of their own ground work - but you didnt answer my question
[05:58] <Hobbsee> KiwiKibi: calm down.  what we need to know is exactly where it's mounted, which is the command i gave you earlier.  After that, we can help you
[05:59] <Hobbsee> i cant answer your question until you give me enough information to answer it
[05:59] <Hobbsee> and the way you give enough information to answer it is by typing, in a console, "sudo fdisk -l" without the quotes
[05:59] <Hobbsee> and then pasting it to the pastebin
[06:00] <KiwiKibi> aight . . . before I shut down WindogsXP, could you tell me in which file I'm supposed to stick the "mount" command when I want to mount a given file system?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> sudo kwrite /etc/fstab
[06:01] <Hobbsee> is the command that goes into the console, and will bring up the file you want to modify
[06:01] <Hobbsee> and yes, you will need to be in linux to do it, as linux labels the drives differently to windows
[06:01] <KiwiKibi> *coughnoshitcough*
[06:01] <Hobbsee> language
[06:02] <KiwiKibi> ah, the fstab file . . . ok, thanks.
[06:02] <logikal_> KiwiKibi, you seem to not want helped.
[06:02] <KiwiKibi> i don't use kwrite, i use Vim
[06:02] <propagandhi> KiwiKibi: i dont think you deserve help here you arrogant turd
[06:02] <propagandhi> KiwiKibi: dont be suprised when you get ignored
[06:03] <logikal_> Hobbsee, how could I convert my clock to 12 hr ?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> change the clock type to plain, i think
[06:03] <Hobbsee> checking...
[06:04] <Hobbsee> ie right click on clock, then have a look thru all the settings menus on there :)
[06:05] <KiwiKibi> propagandhi: don't get your bloomers in a bunch, turdblossom
[06:05] <The_Vox> anybody know what happened to the kde3.5-beta1 stuff? it's gone from the kubuntu site
[06:05] <propagandhi> The_Vox: i noticed that also
[06:05] <propagandhi> i imagine it'll be back soon
[06:05] <The_Vox> just when I want to install the documentation from it lol!
[06:05] <Hobbsee> The_Vox: yes, it's gone temporarily
[06:06] <Hobbsee> lets see...
[06:07] <The_Vox> is beta2 coming out soon? or some other reason?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> the site got modified last night, as you can see on the bottom of the page
[06:07] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure of the reason
[06:07] <logikal_> I cant figure it out, Hobbsee 
[06:07] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:08] <Hobbsee> http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:XrPvc6SMz1kJ:www.kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php+&hl=en
[06:08] <Hobbsee> gotta love google caching :P
[06:08] <Hobbsee> try if one of those links work
[06:08] <Hobbsee> logikal_: what type of clock are you using?
[06:08] <The_Vox> thanks, Hobbsee :)
[06:08] <logikal_> digital
[06:08] <logikal_> or plain, doesnt matter should be the same
[06:08] <Hobbsee> try changing it to plain
[06:08] <logikal_> I just want to go to the 12 hr format
[06:08] <logikal_> Doesn't work.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> right click, date and time format
[06:09] <Hobbsee> time and dates format
[06:09] <Hobbsee> time format
[06:09] <Hobbsee> paste what it says there
[06:09] <propagandhi> logikal_: if you right click on the clock you can select date and time format
[06:09] <logikal_> I already past this
[06:09] <logikal_> Lol
[06:09] <propagandhi> Hobbsee: sorry
[06:09] <logikal_> I have looked through all of the options..
[06:10] <Hobbsee> :P it's ok
[06:11] <Hobbsee> The_Vox: deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu breezy main is working as a mirror
[06:11] <propagandhi> logikal_: if i go through date and time format, the dropdown option has pH:MM:SS AMPM - that does it for me, but change wont take effect until you restart the clock applet at least
[06:11] <The_Vox> Hobbsee: was just typing that to you lol!
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:12] <The_Vox> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> great minds think alike
[06:12] <Hobbsee> no problems
[06:12] <logikal_> hmmm
[06:12] <logikal_> Ok thanks propagandhi 
[06:12] <Hobbsee> and remember the trick about google cache, works wonders :)
[06:12] <logikal_> How do i restart the clock applet?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> did ti work logikal?
[06:12] <Hobbsee> killall kicker?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> then run kicker again
[06:13] <logikal_> it should, that is the correct format pp:MM:SS AMPM
[06:13] <Hobbsee> otherwise ctrl alt backspace
[06:13] <logikal_> should be 12 hour
[06:13] <logikal_> I PMMED you Hobbsee 
[06:13] <propagandhi> pH:MM:SS AMPM
[06:13] <logikal_> I responded..
[06:13] <logikal_> sorry typo
[06:13] <Hobbsee> for some reason, i dindt get it...
[06:14] <logikal_> hmm
[06:14] <logikal_> it says in the server dialouge
[06:14] <logikal_> I need to register
[06:14] <logikal_> one second
[06:15] <caringi> where i can read more about how the live-cd works? 
[06:15] <Hobbsee> !livecd
[06:15] <ubotu> it has been said that livecd is useful for playing with or trying out (k)ubuntu without installing it or making any changes to your system. grab one from the download page at http://www.ubuntulinux.org or request via ship-it.
[06:15] <caringi> !livecd
[06:15] <KiwiKibi> Vim is not the default sysed in K/Ubuntu?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> caringi: what in particular did you want to know about the live cd?
[06:16] <caringi> Hobbsee: what hell is "casper-snapshot"
[06:16] <caringi> ?
[06:16] <Hobbsee> good question
[06:16] <Hobbsee> google tell you?
[06:17] <caringi> not much...
[06:17] <Hobbsee> !casper-snapshot
[06:17] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> lol...the bot has no clue
[06:17] <propagandhi> its probably just a codename for a development snapshot
[06:18] <propagandhi> but thats a guess
[06:18] <caringi> hmm... i could create files in the device /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot
[06:18] <Hobbsee> mmm...google doesnt say much about it
[06:19] <caringi> mounted on / 
[06:19] <caringi> simple... but how this works? it is a ram drive?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea
[06:20] <Hobbsee> i doubt it's anything terribly important that most people need to know about though, otherwise it would be documented
[06:21] <caringi> it's not terribly important... its only curiosity
[06:21] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:21] <caringi> nothing
[06:22] <Hobbsee> lunch, back later
[06:23] <logikal_> k
[06:23] <logikal_> I got my clock working.
[06:23] <Hobbsee_lunch> :D
[06:23] <logikal_> killall kicker
[06:23] <logikal_> sudo kicker
[06:23] <logikal_> :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee_lunch> you shouldnt need to run kicker as root
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> you shoul dhave been able to type kicker and it comes up fine
[06:24] <logikal_> 12:23 am here
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> 2.24pm here
[06:24] <logikal_> wow
[06:24] <logikal_> where you at?
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> NY?
[06:24] <logikal_> eating lunch late
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> sydney, australia
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> yeah
[06:24] <logikal_> Im in PA, right below NY
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> nice
[06:24] <logikal_> australia, nice
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> i love how kde shows the timezones :P
[06:24] <logikal_> im 19
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> mmm...nice and warm...or not so warm
[06:24] <logikal_> male
[06:24] <Hobbsee_lunch> lol...who isnt
[06:25] <logikal_> warm there?
[06:25] <Hobbsee_lunch> apart from me
[06:25] <Hobbsee_lunch> usually
[06:25] <logikal_> it's warm here too...
[06:25] <logikal_> it was about 85 today
[06:25] <logikal_> it's probably 65 now..
[06:26] <logikal_> hmm
[06:26] <logikal_> PA is like a hell, that freezes over for 5 months
[06:26] <logikal_> Hot in the summer
[06:26] <logikal_> Cold in the winter
[06:26] <logikal_> very cold
[06:26] <logikal_> like 0 deg F
[06:26] <logikal_> which is like -15 C
[06:27] <logikal_> or wait
[06:27] <logikal_> that's wrong
[06:27] <logikal_> wait, it's right
[06:27] <logikal_> water freezes 32f, 0c
[06:31] <The_Vox> logikal_: and how hot does it get?
[06:33] <KiwiKibi> Vim is not the default sysed in K/Ubuntu?!
[06:35] <The_Vox> KiwiKibi: I don't think it is, no
[06:35] <KiwiKibi> why?
[06:37] <KiwiKibi> Vim is extremely powerful, specially for tweaking .rc files
[06:39] <logikal_> How hot?
[06:39] <logikal_> it can get up to 100
[06:39] <logikal_> Mostly most summer days are 90 and above
[06:39] <logikal_> about 92 usually
[06:39] <logikal_> ferenheit
[06:45] <Hobbsee_lunch> oh good
[06:46] <Hobbsee_lunch> they're gone
[06:47] <The_Vox> logikal_: ok, so it's a bit cooler in general than where I'm at...we get up to 110 or so during the summer and down to around 5F in the winter :)
[06:47] <logikal_> well
[06:47] <logikal_> Im talking with above 50 percent humidity
[06:48] <logikal_> I've been to dry places, Like arizona, nevada, and 100 there feels like 85 here
[06:48] <logikal_> of course when it did hit 120 one day it was really hot, I couldnt stand it
[06:48] <logikal_> like a avg summer day for us is
[06:49] <logikal_> 90F, 75 percent humidity
[06:49] <logikal_> Probably feels like 105 in arizona or some place like that...
[06:54] <The_Vox> I'm in Monterrey, MX....and thankfully it's desert dry :)
[06:54] <Hobbsee> oh drat!  I remember what i was going to do last night
[06:54] <Hobbsee> i was going to make my /home reiserfs
[06:55] <logikal_> MX?
[07:02] <logikal_> http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7648/snapshot25az.png
[07:02] <logikal_> screenie of linux
[07:03] <Hobbsee> nice screenie...looks a little borign though
[07:03] <logikal_> it is
[07:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:03] <logikal_> Im at kde-look.org right now
[07:03] <Hobbsee> needs customisation
[07:03] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[07:03] <logikal_> Which version of KDE do i have?
[07:03] <logikal_> 4.0 ?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> 3.4.2
[07:03] <Hobbsee> lol...4.0 isnt even alpha yet
[07:03] <logikal_> well they have themes for it :)
[07:03] <Hobbsee> unless youv'e upgraded specifically, and would konw about it, youd be on 3.4.2
[07:03] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:04] <Hobbsee> you'd have to compile it from source, somewhere, and it would be unlikely to work
[07:04] <Hobbsee> there's a 3.5 beta out at the moment though that works really nicely
[07:04] <propagandhi> logikal_: the 4.0 items on kde are mockups arent they
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i'd think theyd have to be
[07:05] <propagandhi> the linux force wallpapers are awesome on kde-look
[07:05] <logikal_> Maybe
[07:05] <Hobbsee> linux force?  havent seen them
[07:07] <propagandhi> they are heaps good work hey
[07:07] <Hobbsee> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1025/desktop11hr.jpg is what my desktop looks like, if you wanted to see :)
[07:09] <logikal_> Hobbsee, 
[07:09] <logikal_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=17463
[07:09] <logikal_> can this be installed on here?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yes, as it Depends on:  KDE 3.3.x and you'd be running 3.4.2 on breezy
[07:10] <logikal_> Ok
[07:10] <Hobbsee> looks nice
[07:10] <logikal_> so download source code?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> you have to use source code for it?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[07:12] <Hobbsee> shouldnt have to
[07:13] <logikal_> i downloaded a tar.gz a zip
[07:13] <logikal_> how do i install it?
[07:13] <logikal_> <-- so noob
[07:14] <Hobbsee> hang on a sec...
[07:15] <Hobbsee> if you can get the rpm of it, you can use alien, and then use dpkg to install it
[07:15] <Hobbsee> compiling from source can be a pain
[07:16] <Hobbsee> oh!
[07:17] <logikal_> well
[07:17] <logikal_> here is what it says
[07:17] <Hobbsee> yeah, paste it
[07:17] <logikal_> ./configure
[07:17] <logikal_> make
[07:17] <logikal_> make install       (MAy need to be root for this step)
[07:17] <logikal_> For KDE:
[07:17] <logikal_>    Use KControl, go to the Look'N'Feel section, enter the Style sub-section,
[07:17] <logikal_>    and choose "QtCurve"
[07:17] <logikal_> that's all it says
[07:17] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:17] <Hobbsee> follow that then
[07:17] <Hobbsee> cd to the dir first
[07:17] <logikal_> where do i type .configure?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> console
[07:17] <logikal_> ok
[07:18] <Hobbsee> pretty much any command they give you is to go into the console, or works if you put it in the console
[07:18] <Hobbsee> seeing as all distros have the console, whether called gnome-terminal or konsole, or something else
[07:19] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~/QtCurve-0.23.1$ /configure
[07:19] <logikal_> bash: /configure: No such file or directory
[07:19] <logikal_> logikal@linuxbox:~/QtCurve-0.23.1$ make
[07:19] <logikal_> bash: make: command not foun
[07:20] <Hobbsee> no no no....
[07:20] <Hobbsee> where's the .tar.gz saved?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> and you missed the . before the /configure
[07:21] <logikal_> one sec
[07:21] <Hobbsee> assuming you got into the right directory
[07:21] <logikal_> Iknow
[07:21] <logikal_> Problem is a made a folder in a folder.
[07:21] <logikal_> Im fixing it
[07:21] <logikal_> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[07:21] <logikal_> See `config.log' for more details.
[07:21] <logikal_> it ran
[07:21] <logikal_> but gave that error
[07:22] <logikal_> I have no compiler?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea...
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i dont usually compile things from source
[07:22] <Hobbsee> good reason for that :P
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i find either a dpkg or if none exists, an rpm
[07:23] <logikal_> welll
[07:23] <logikal_> Im in config.log
[07:23] <logikal_> and all i see is taht error
[07:23] <Hobbsee> ooh score!  i still have the OO.org RC1
[07:23] <Hobbsee> i thought i'd lost that
[07:24] <Hobbsee> i couldnt tell you with the compiler....
[07:30] <Quaqiutl> My Live-CD fails to detect the active AGP video onboard mobo
[07:30] <Quaqiutl> Nvidia GF4
[07:31] <Hobbsee> !Nvidia
[07:31] <ubotu> it has been said that nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:31] <Quaqiutl> thank you
[07:32] <Hobbsee> got no idea if that will help lol
[07:32] <Hobbsee> dont have a nvidia graphics card, and never had to configure my graphics card, so i'm not much help to you :P
[07:34] <logikal_> Hobbsee, for future refernce
[07:34] <Quaqiutl> I can't use Synaptic: I don't have VGA
[07:34] <logikal_> I had to install GCC C compiler from the repositories.
[07:34] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[07:35] <Quaqiutl> My Live-CD fails to detect the active AGP video Nvidia GF4 IGP onboard mobo video chipset
[07:35] <Quaqiutl> all i get is text mode VGA, but no SVGA
[07:35] <logikal_> use apt-get
[07:35] <Quaqiutl> can't run "startx"
[07:36] <logikal_> or opera
[07:36] <Hobbsee> sudo startx?
[07:37] <Quaqiutl> "sudo startx" doesn't work
[07:37] <propagandhi> Quaqiutl: whats the output you get - can you paste it in the pastebin
[07:38] <propagandhi> logikal_: have you done 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[07:38] <logikal_> nah
[07:38] <logikal_> I havent gotten the build essentials
[07:38] <logikal_> but that comes with gcc4.0
[07:38] <logikal_> I downloaded 3.3
[07:38] <logikal_> It was recomended to me
[07:39] <propagandhi> logikal_: so if you do that you should have an acceptable c compiler
[07:39] <logikal_> what do you think?
[07:39] <logikal_> Well I downloaded GCC on Synaptic
[07:39] <propagandhi> logikal_: 3.4 or above i'd reccommend
[07:39] <propagandhi> but i'd still suggest doing the build-essential
[07:39] <logikal_> ok
[07:39] <logikal_> Ill try it
[07:40] <logikal_> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:40] <logikal_> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[07:40] <Hobbsee> you still got synaptic open logikal_?
[07:40] <logikal_> yeah
[07:40] <Hobbsee> or an apt-get in the console?
[07:40] <Hobbsee> you can only run one at once
[07:40] <logikal_> yeah both
[07:41] <logikal_> oh ok
[07:41] <logikal_> lol
[07:41] <Hobbsee> there's your problem :P
[07:41] <logikal_> A HAH!
[07:41] <logikal_> lol
[07:41] <logikal_> it worked..
[07:42] <propagandhi> the Yakuake addon is awesome
[07:43] <logikal_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:43] <propagandhi> logikal_: you need to install the x11 devels
[07:44] <logikal_> how do i do that?
[07:44] <propagandhi> libx11-dev
[07:44] <propagandhi> apt-get install libx11-dev
[07:45] <logikal_> COuldnt find pacakge
[07:45] <propagandhi> logikal_: you have universe and multiverse repo's
[07:46] <crimsun> libx11-dev is in main
[07:46] <logikal_> yeah
[07:46] <propagandhi> oh ok, so how come he cant find it then
[07:46] <crimsun> apt-cache policy libx11-dev
[07:47] <propagandhi> crimsun: indeed you are correct
[07:47] <propagandhi> logikal_: you spelt correctly?
[07:47] <logikal_> yes sir.
[07:48] <logikal_> cant find it..
[07:51] <propagandhi> hang on, which version of kubuntu
[07:51] <logikal_> Ill jsut use synaptic
[07:51] <logikal_> I hate apt-get
[07:51] <logikal_> done
[07:51] <propagandhi> logikal_: okay fair enough
[07:51] <logikal_> lol
[07:52] <logikal_> soryr
[07:52] <logikal_> sorry*
[07:52] <logikal_> still same error propagandhi 
[07:52] <logikal_> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:53] <propagandhi> logikal_: install xlibs-devel
[07:53] <propagandhi> xlibs-dev
[07:53] <propagandhi> i mean
[07:53] <logikal_> xlibs?
[07:53] <logikal_> Ok
[07:54] <logikal_> I accidently hit performance log
[07:54] <logikal_> or something
[07:54] <logikal_> Performance Moniter Kysysguard
[07:54] <logikal_> where did it go to?
[07:54] <logikal_> nm
[07:54] <logikal_> I found it..
[07:55] <propagandhi> logikal_: you tripper
[07:55] <logikal_> haha
[07:55] <logikal_> lol
[07:55] <logikal_> Umm synaptic locked up
[07:55] <Hobbsee> xkill
[07:55] <propagandhi> CTRL+ALT+ESC and click on synaptic
[07:55] <propagandhi> then restart synaptic
[07:56] <Hobbsee> not ctrl alt esc...
[07:56] <Hobbsee> alt+f2
[07:56] <propagandhi> alt+f2 brings up run command for me
[07:56] <Hobbsee> oops, never mind
[07:56] <Hobbsee> it does, i thought you were meaning ctrl alt backspace
[07:57] <propagandhi> logikal_: i also should have added dont click on synaptic on the panel
[07:57] <Hobbsee> heh...love xkill
[07:58] <catmeister> Hey, I have all amarok packages installed, but the only engine showing is the arts engine. Everything was installed through synaptic from packages.
[07:58] <catmeister> Any idea what could be wrong?
[07:58] <logikal_> clicking on the kicker panel restarts the kicker panel doesnt it?
[07:59] <propagandhi> logikal_: when you do configure for that theme you may need to append --prefix=/usr also
[07:59] <Hobbsee> will kill the kicker, you probably have to manually run it
[07:59] <Hobbsee> doesnt amarok use the arts engine?
[07:59] <logikal_> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:59] <logikal_> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[07:59] <propagandhi> logikal_: you also need qt3 devel packages
[08:00] <catmeister> It can, but gstreamer and xine work better.
[08:00] <catmeister> I always installed from source under Slackware.
[08:00] <propagandhi> logikal_: libqt3-mt-dev & libqt3-headers
[08:00] <catmeister> logikal.. You don't have the qt-dev packages installed.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> i dont know sorry..currently my sound is stuffed, so i dont know what is supposed to work and what doesnt
[08:02] <catmeister> The arts engine locks up when trying to play streams. Gstreamer and xine play them fine. Or at least, that was the case on my Slack box.
[08:03] <logikal_> Do i have to download this much stuff everytime i install someting from source?
[08:03] <propagandhi> logikal_: no once is enough
[08:03] <propagandhi> logikal_: you need the tools man
[08:03] <logikal_> I know
[08:03] <logikal_> Im getting em, or trying
[08:04] <catmeister> That's one peave I have abotu Kubuntu. Doesn't install the necessary packages for compiling.
[08:05] <propagandhi> catmeister: perhaps, but its not hard to get them, and some people dont use them
[08:05] <propagandhi> its not the only distro that doesnt either
[08:06] <catmeister> That's true. I just think it should be part of every distro's base install. 
[08:07] <logikal_> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[08:07] <logikal_> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[08:07] <logikal_> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[08:07] <logikal_> what do i need to append?
[08:07] <propagandhi> logikal_: install the kde devel packages first
[08:07] <catmeister> Do you have kde headers installed?
[08:08] <propagandhi> then do ./configure --prefix=/usr
[08:09] <logikal_> I did
[08:09] <logikal_> I installed all those qt3 pacakages
[08:09] <propagandhi> logikal_: install kde-devel
[08:09] <logikal_> oh
[08:09] <logikal_> different ones
[08:09] <logikal_> ok
[08:10] <catmeister> I'm gonna try uninstalling and reinstalling gstreamer and xine engines.
[08:14] <logikal_> propagandhi, 
[08:14] <propagandhi> yes
[08:14] <logikal_> I also need automake 1.9
[08:14] <logikal_> acquiring it now...
[08:15] <propagandhi> ok, good stuff
[08:15] <logikal_> lot's of work this is
[08:15] <propagandhi> yeah but its a once off generally, but building from source always implies manual work
[08:16] <logikal_> well i pretty much understand linux a lot better now
[08:16] <logikal_> i got about 10 hrs on it 
[08:16] <logikal_> so far under my belt
[08:16] <logikal_> :)
[08:16] <logikal_> picking things up quicklu.
[08:16] <propagandhi> you're doing ok for 10 hrs then
[08:16] <logikal_> yeah, i am lol
[08:16] <catmeister> logikal, after this, you won't need to install so much stuff to compile programs from source.
[08:17] <logikal_> ./configure --prefix=/usr
[08:17] <logikal_> er
[08:17] <logikal_> rMaking all in QtCurve-0.23.1
[08:17] <logikal_> make[2] : Entering directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:17] <logikal_> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `all'.  Stop.
[08:17] <logikal_> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:17] <logikal_> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[08:17] <logikal_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:17] <logikal_> make: *** [all]  Error 2
[08:17] <logikal_> sorry
[08:18] <catmeister> logikal, what are you installing?
[08:18] <logikal_> a theme for KDE
[08:18] <logikal_> it says to make
[08:18] <logikal_> and make install
[08:18] <propagandhi> logikal_: you did - ./configure --prefix=/usr then make, then make install
[08:18] <logikal_> yes
[08:18] <logikal_> correct
[08:18] <logikal_> but i didnt do make install yet
[08:19] <propagandhi> ok, is there any output above what you posted
[08:19] <logikal_> a shit ton.
[08:19] <logikal_> lol
[08:19] <logikal_> to be exact.
[08:20] <catmeister> It sounds like the makefile target has to be specified. Something like make theme instead of just make
[08:20] <logikal_> Makefile:870: warning: overriding commands for target `clean-bcheck'
[08:20] <logikal_> Makefile:836: warning: ignoring old commands for target `clean-bcheck'
[08:20] <logikal_> Makefile:875: warning: overriding commands for target `bcheck-am'
[08:20] <logikal_> Makefile:841: warning: ignoring old commands for target `bcheck-am'
[08:21] <logikal_> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:21] <logikal_> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[08:21] <logikal_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:21] <logikal_> make: *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[08:21] <logikal_> Ok
[08:21] <logikal_> this is the make install
[08:21] <logikal_> is what that error is from
[08:21] <logikal_> it did it automatically..
[08:22] <propagandhi> logikal_: send me the link to the source package
[08:22] <logikal_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5065
[08:23] <catmeister> did ./configure finish without erroring?
[08:23] <propagandhi> logikal_: give me a minute
[08:23] <logikal_> k
[08:23] <logikal_> no hurry
[08:26] <propagandhi> compiled with no error
[08:26] <propagandhi> doing make install now
[08:26] <propagandhi> done
[08:27] <propagandhi> and theme applied
[08:28] <catmeister> Propagndhi, is there a package that will automatically fill the dependancies to rebuild the kernel? Or do I have to install them individually?
[08:28] <catmeister> I'm new to Kubuntu. Been running Slackware since 98.
[08:28] <propagandhi> catmeister: do you mean the headers and source files needed to rebuild the ubuntu kernel or a kernel from kernel.org
[08:28] <catmeister> And I just installed on this machine last ngiht.
[08:29] <catmeister> Vanilla kernel.
[08:29] <propagandhi> ubuntu vanilla kernel?
[08:29] <catmeister> No kernel.org. Sorry
[08:30] <propagandhi> i've never compiled a vanilla kernel, but i've compiled the full kernel with tweaks and optimisations, and all i've ever needed is the compiler tools
[08:30] <catmeister> I'm not planning on installing a custom kernel on this machine. Its my roommate's son's machine. I just want the tools necessary to do it.
[08:30] <alyks> I have a MX1000 mouse using Breezy Badger
[08:30] <whoiam> anybody having dual boot (win+lin) ?
[08:31] <propagandhi> catmeister: normally when you begin the process you'll be notified if something is missing in that area
[08:31] <catmeister> Not since 1998.
[08:31] <alyks> and when trying to config, everytime I change the protocol to "evdev" X won't start
[08:31] <logikal_> so propagandhi 
[08:31] <logikal_> i suck
[08:31] <logikal_> :\
[08:31] <alyks> I made sure the module was loaded, and it was
[08:31] <propagandhi> but i always choose 'only compile drivers expected to compile cleanly' or whatever the option is
[08:31] <catmeister> Logikal, no you don't.
[08:31] <propagandhi> logikal_: all it means is something is missing
[08:32] <logikal_> hmm
[08:32] <propagandhi> logikal_: what gtk version do you have
[08:32] <logikal_> gtk?
[08:32] <logikal_> Im on breezy 5.10 Kubuntu
[08:32] <catmeister> Propagandhi, I know what I need. I just wanted to know if they was a single package I could grab that would install the rest.
[08:32] <catmeister> *there
[08:32] <logikal_> builder-essentials downloaded
[08:32] <logikal_> lib-dev
[08:33] <logikal_> xlib-dev
[08:33] <logikal_> kde-dev
[08:33] <propagandhi> catmeister: i dont know of one
[08:33] <propagandhi> logikal_: install libgtk1.2 and 2.0
[08:33] <propagandhi> if they arent already there
[08:35] <logikal_> 2.0 was installed
[08:35] <logikal_> didnt fix it
[08:37] <propagandhi> logikal_: did u install 1.2
[08:37] <cyne> anyone got experience with vmware?
[08:37] <propagandhi> yep
[08:38] <cyne> every time i try and run it, it asks me to run the configure script
[08:38] <propagandhi> which version
[08:38] <cyne> umm
[08:38] <propagandhi> 13124 build
[08:38] <cyne> yes
[08:39] <propagandhi> its a problem with it filling the device nodes, you can fix it, but its resolved in the new beta 
[08:39] <cyne> how can i fix it?
[08:39] <propagandhi> theres a way to execute a custom script at boot, i found it when i was using that version i need to look again
[08:39] <cyne> thanks ;)
[08:40] <logikal_> yes propagandhi 
[08:40] <logikal_> I installed 1.2
[08:40] <propagandhi> logikal_: and it still isnt working
[08:40] <logikal_> nop
[08:41] <propagandhi> logikal_: i dont know what i have that you dont
[08:41] <propagandhi> i will investigate further
[08:41] <propagandhi> can you paste the full error in the pastebin
[08:41] <logikal_> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:41] <logikal_> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[08:41] <logikal_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:41] <logikal_> make: *** [install-recursive]  Error 1
[08:41] <logikal_> yes i can
[08:41] <logikal_> one second
[08:42] <logikal_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385926
[08:43] <catmeister> propagandhi, I can see why Ubuntu was voted the best distro of the year.
[08:44] <propagandhi> catmeister: damn right
[08:44] <logikal_> becuase it isntalls and it works.
[08:44] <propagandhi> cyne: i used this resource to point me in the right direction at the time - http://ebullient.haaser.com/config/89/
[08:44] <cyne> propagandhi: thanks pal :)
[08:45] <catmeister> I think it makes a VERY good desktop. I still would rather have a slack server, though.
[08:45] <propagandhi> cyne: no worries, it might help you out
[08:45] <propagandhi> catmeister: i wouldnt use ubuntu as my server either
[08:46] <gibarian> hey everyone...I've got a question regarding an external harddrive
[08:46] <logikal_> any ideas propagandhi 
[08:47] <catmeister> What's your question, Giibarian?
[08:47] <propagandhi> logikal_: do make clean and then do the configure again
[08:47] <logikal_> Most people choose ubuntu for personal desktops
[08:47] <logikal_> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop.
[08:47] <logikal_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/logikal/QtCurve-0.23.1/QtCurve-0.23.1'
[08:47] <logikal_> make: *** [clean-recursive]  Error 1
[08:47] <propagandhi> ok, just run the configure script again
[08:48] <catmeister> I was very impressed that the wireless card in my machine worked duriing the install.
[08:48] <gibarian> catmeister: I've got an external hdd, it connects via USB...what sort of fstab entry do I have to make to assign a fixed mountpoint to that drive...since it keeps changing, depending on what device that system recognizes first, I'm not sure
[08:49] <catmeister> In Slackware, I had to copy the firmware file from the windows install disk and put it in a hotplug directory before it worked.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> i'm assuming it would just come up as hdb1....
[08:50] <Hobbsee> gibarian: i'm assuming it would just come up as hdb1....
[08:50] <gibarian> hobbsee: nope, it either comes up as sdb1 or sda1...something like that
[08:50] <logikal_> propagandhi, 
[08:50] <logikal_> I have another problem now
[08:51] <logikal_> it messsed up on make
[08:51] <cyne> propagandhi: ok, so i create /etc/devfs/devices.d/vmware but i need a way to load the vmnet and vmmon modules in there
[08:51] <logikal_> one second
[08:51] <Hobbsee> in console: sudo fdisk -l
[08:51] <Hobbsee> paste the output to the pastebin
[08:51] <logikal_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385930
[08:51] <Hobbsee> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[08:51] <logikal_> there you go propagandhi, that's what it did on make
[08:51] <damnhil>  how do I disable "never remember the password for the site " in konqueror?
[08:52] <gibarian> hobbsee...you talking to me?
[08:52] <aftertaf> damnhil:  with kwallet?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> gibarian: yep
[08:53] <propagandhi> cyne: give me a minute or two i'll check around a bit
[08:53] <cyne> thank you :)
[08:53] <propagandhi> logikal_: what version of automake did you install exactly
[08:53] <aftertaf> morning all
[08:53] <Hobbsee> i thought i had prefaced it with your name, obviusly not
[08:53] <logikal_> 1.9
[08:53] <Hobbsee> afternoon aftertaf :P
[08:53] <logikal_> automake 1.9
[08:53] <logikal_> Night aftertaf 
[08:53] <catmeister> I never use konqueror.
[08:53] <logikal_> haha
[08:53] <aftertaf> damnhil:  you can disable kwallet completely....
[08:53] <logikal_> its 3 am here
[08:53] <aftertaf> its always morning in irc
[08:53] <aftertaf> :)
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:53] <catmeister> Well, I need to get to sleep.
[08:54] <gibarian> hobbsee: alright, did it
[08:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, ok
[08:54] <Hobbsee> that's easy enough
[08:54] <logikal_> propagandhi, any ideas dude?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> give me a sec
[08:54] <propagandhi> logikal_: thinking hard mate
[08:54] <logikal_> alright
[08:55] <logikal_> thanks for your help and paitence
[08:55] <logikal_> :)
[08:57] <Hobbsee> logikal_: obviously lots of people want to mount things today :P
[08:57] <Hobbsee> gibarian:
[08:57] <Hobbsee> gibarian: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/385935
[08:57] <Hobbsee> follow that, and see if it works
[08:57] <gibarian> Oi, thanks dude
[08:58] <Hobbsee> no problems
[08:58] <Hobbsee> assuming it always identifies itself as sda1, then you'll have no problems
[08:59] <cyne> brb
[08:59] <logikal_> I see that Hobbsee 
[08:59] <gibarian> ah, ok...and what if it decided to identify with sdb?
[09:05] <gibarian> Is it possible to upgrade from hoary to breezy with apt-get, without totally borking the system?
[09:07] <logikal_> Ok
[09:07] <logikal_> I tried a different theme
[09:07] <logikal_> it complied
[09:07] <logikal_> how do i use it?
[09:08] <BlankB> gibarian: It _should_ be just fine.
[09:08] <logikal_> How do i apply themes?
[09:09] <gibarian> BlankB: Will it install a new kernel and wipe out my grub?
[09:09] <lukas> hallo
[09:09] <logikal_> How do i apply themes??
[09:09] <logikal_> lol
[09:10] <aftertaf> gibarian:  it will install a new kernel but not remove the old one
[09:11] <aftertaf> and the packages are quite stable now.. lots of us are on breezy with no pbs. What is your PC's config?
[09:11] <logikal_> does anyone know hwere the theme manager is?
[09:12] <gibarian> aftertaf: pentium IV, 1.4GH, 600and somewhat MB Ram...well, an old piece, but stable
[09:13] <aftertaf> gibarian:  ok. gfx card?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> gibarian: i dont think it would identify as sdb unless you had another sd drive in there...
[09:14] <Hobbsee> theme manager?  in kcontrol i thought
[09:14] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  exact ;)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> exact?
[09:15] <logikal_> I found it hobbsee
[09:15] <logikal_> but i cant see the file
[09:15] <Hobbsee> ah cool :)
[09:15] <Hobbsee> :(
[09:15] <gibarian> aftertaf: uh, I think an NVidia Gforce 2 MX...something along these lines
[09:15] <logikal_> :(
[09:16] <Hobbsee> gibarian: if you have the hoary cd's, you can always go back to hoary if something major screws up
[09:16] <aftertaf> gibarian:  you should be fine
[09:16] <aftertaf> seriously...   or the dev team is in deep shit considerng the release date -6 days ;)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> lol
[09:17] <aftertaf> true tho.
[09:17] <Hobbsee> there's always the optoin of downloading the RC and installing from there
[09:17] <aftertaf> :)
[09:17] <aftertaf> !breezy
[09:17] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:18] <aftertaf> ^^^^^^ gibarian ..... and we're here to help if borkage does happen ;)
[09:18] <gibarian> aftertaf: thanks...I think I'll do it over the weekend then
[09:18] <Hobbsee> lol..that's true
[09:18] <gibarian> aftertaf: If I still get online that is, haha
[09:18] <Hobbsee> gibarian: how do you connect?
[09:18] <aftertaf> gibarian:  ;)
[09:18] <Hobbsee> adsl?  that should be fine, dhcp seems to connect without a problem
[09:19] <gibarian> aftertaf: dsl via USB modem
[09:19] <gibarian> sppedtouch
[09:19] <BlankB> gibarian: If you are concerned make a backup before you upgrade.
[09:20] <gibarian> blankb: Yeah, I'd do that anyway
[09:20] <BlankB> good. Its always better to be safe. 8)
[09:21] <gibarian> exactly
[09:21] <aftertaf> gibarian:  speedtouch usb...... my nightmare!
[09:21] <Hobbsee> lol yeah...hosing systems completely without backups are not fun
[09:21] <logikal_> Hobsee
[09:21] <logikal_> Im trying to set my background
[09:21] <logikal_> but nothing opens
[09:21] <logikal_> like it's broke :\
[09:22] <Hobbsee> which reminds me, sometime i ought to boot to windows and check that still works
[09:22] <Hobbsee> in kcontrol?
[09:22] <logikal_> yeah :\
[09:22] <logikal_> wait
[09:22] <logikal_> in LookNFeel
[09:23] <gibarian> @aftertaf: well, after setting it up ontwo different systems, I'm down to about hald an hour, haha
[09:23] <gibarian> half that is
[09:24] <Hobbsee> looknfeel?
[09:24] <logikal_> yeah
[09:24] <aftertaf> lol
[09:24] <logikal_> Settings > look and feel
[09:24] <logikal_> how do i get to kcontrol?
[09:24] <Hobbsee> alt+f2 type kcontrol
[09:25] <Hobbsee> you using kde or gnome there?
[09:25] <logikal_> KDE
[09:25] <Hobbsee> oh.  I thought that was a gnome menu you were mentioning there
[09:26] <Hobbsee> still alt+f2, kcontrol
[09:26] <logikal_> yeah
[09:26] <logikal_> run
[09:26] <logikal_> kcontrol
[09:26] <logikal_> it worked :)
[09:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:26] <Hobbsee> appearance, background
[09:26] <Hobbsee> or whatever it is
[09:26] <logikal_> check it out
[09:26] <logikal_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/28070-uforever.jpg
[09:26] <logikal_> I was just browsing to the same place, just in a another way
[09:26] <logikal_> same exact thign...
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hang on...
[09:27] <Hobbsee> what type of file are you trying to make as your background?
[09:29] <Hobbsee> you should be able to just browse to where it is in konqueror, right click on it, actions, set as desktop background
[09:29] <logikal_> im already done...
[09:29] <logikal_> a long time ago
[09:29] <logikal_> I've moved on to window themes
[09:29] <logikal_> lol
[09:29] <logikal_> windows decoration
[09:30] <Hobbsee> oh right
[09:33] <logikal_> it didnt work
[09:33] <logikal_> Im going to bed
[09:33] <logikal_> Thanks for all the help guys and girls!
[09:34] <Hobbsee> did you ever get that qt theme to work out?
[09:34] <logikal_> didn't :\
[09:34] <logikal_> wouldn't work
[09:34] <logikal_> stumped everyone
[09:35] <Hobbsee> give me a sec
[09:35] <Hobbsee> oh ok, nvm
[09:37] <logikal_> http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/385963
[09:37] <logikal_> there
[09:38] <Hobbsee> nah, i thought i saw a deb for it, along with a lot of the other types...
[10:02] <propagandhi> hello all
[10:04] <op> um can i run mplayer on kubuntu
[10:04] <Tm_T> sure
[10:11] <cyne> wb propagandhi 
[10:11] <cyne> do you have any further ideas on my question?
[10:15] <chx> I badly need a GUI HTML editor for rapid prototyping a concept
[10:29] <cyne> chx, try Quanta Plus
[10:32] <m-fox> hi
[10:33] <m-fox> I installed breezy release kandidate and can't find the sidebar in konqueror
[10:33] <m-fox> can anybody give a hint?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> woohoo!
[10:34] <Hobbsee> my sound works!
[10:37] <propagandhi> logikal_: you there
[10:38] <propagandhi> cyne: ??
[10:38] <aftertaf> m-fox:  press F9
[10:40] <m-fox> aftertaf: thank you, now I am happy with breezy :)
[10:40] <aftertaf> cool :)
[10:40] <aftertaf> me2
[10:40] <Hobbsee> *dances on ceiling*
[10:41] <Hobbsee> i'm very happy with breezy now lol...
[10:41] <Hobbsee> still not sure what's happening when i try and reboot though
[10:41] <aftertaf> why that?
[10:41] <propagandhi> Hobbsee: breezy rocks
[10:42] <propagandhi> been on breezy for months
[10:42] <Hobbsee> it does, and it sounds nice too!
[10:42] <Hobbsee> *searches for old login music*
[10:43] <Hobbsee> ah, found it!
[10:43] <cyne> propagandhi: sorry cynette needed my attention :P
[10:43] <cyne> propagandhi: 
[10:43] <cyne> propagandhi: ok, so i create /etc/devfs/devices.d/vmware but i need a way to load the vmnet and vmmon modules in there
[10:43] <Hobbsee> hey cool, there are lots of other kde login music things here :D
[10:44] <propagandhi> cyne: ok, so you need an sh script that calls modprobe
[10:45] <cyne> right, ok i will try that :)
[10:46] <propagandhi> cyne: cool, i'll be here anyhow, still trying to find my old script
[10:46] <cyne> :)
[10:49] <martinjh99> Where are the 3.5 betas??  Forgotten...
[10:49] <Hobbsee> martinjh99: you want the repos for them?
[10:49] <martinjh99> Yes please :)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> sure, grabbing them
[10:50] <Hobbsee> the kubuntu page either moved or got deleted, so we've all started getting them from the mirrors :P
[10:50] <Hobbsee> #deb http://kubuntu.org/kde35beta1 breezy main
[10:50] <Hobbsee> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu breezy main
[10:50] <Hobbsee> top one used to work, but doesnt as of around 12 hours ago
[10:50] <Hobbsee> bottom one works fine 
[10:51] <Hobbsee> (yes, i know i have it commented out)
[10:51] <martinjh99> Ahh so the Kubuntu.org ones don't work..?  Got a 404 error just now installing the rest of KDE3.4.2...
[10:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:51] <Hobbsee> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu breezy main
[10:51] <Hobbsee> is the one you want
[10:51] <Hobbsee> and that should work fine
[10:51] <Hobbsee> you might need the key though...
[10:52] <martinjh99> Still running Hoary though :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XrPvc6SMz1kJ:www.kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php+kubuntu.org+3.5&hl=en
[10:53] <Hobbsee> that's the cached version of the original page
[10:53] <Hobbsee> pick any of the mirrors you like :)
[10:53] <Hobbsee> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/3.5-beta1/kubuntu hoary main
[10:53] <Hobbsee> should work fine
[10:54] <martinjh99> Cheers thanks!  mirrorservice.org is a good mirror for me being in the UK... :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:54] <Hobbsee> check if it works now
[10:54] <Hobbsee> otherwise we'll have to grab the key from somewhere, assuming someone has it
[10:55] <cyne> this is strange
[10:55] <cyne> i do modprobe --list | grep vm
[10:55] <martinjh99> Yup downloading now - Says its unauthenticated though...  
[10:55] <Hobbsee> oh good!
[10:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, well it would be
[10:55] <cyne> /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-k7/misc/vmnet.ko
[10:55] <cyne> /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-k7/misc/vmmon.ko
[10:55] <Hobbsee> from the kubuntu mirror, it just plain wouldnt let you without the key
[10:56] <cyne> it returns why does modprobe do that?
[10:56] <martinjh99> It always did when I upgraded from installed KDE to 3.4.2... Hmmmm
[10:56] <Hobbsee> well if it's working, then it doesnt matter
[10:56] <cyne> ls /lib/modules returns:
[10:56] <Hobbsee> now i'm wishing i kept that key, if someone ever needed it
[10:56] <martinjh99> Nope it doesn't... ;)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> good :)
[10:57] <cyne> ok don't worry i suck :(
[10:58] <Hobbsee> cyne: what was it?
[10:58] <martinjh99> I think I have finally settled on a distro now... :)  Ease of use and installation are just right in Kubuntu for me...
[10:58] <Hobbsee> dfeinetly!
[10:58] <Hobbsee> which have you tried?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> i really dont get why people think linux stuff is hard to install, with debs
[10:59] <Hobbsee> unless you are going to compile it, of course
[10:59] <cyne> Hobbsee: nm, it's just that vmware is refusing to work for me
[10:59] <cyne> Hobbsee: and i can't uninstall it
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ah great
[10:59] <cyne> kynaptic doesn't show it as installed
[10:59] <martinjh99> First one was Suse 5, tried Fedora, Debian proper, others I can't remember...
[10:59] <Hobbsee> cyne: you cant remove it via apt-get?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> ah right
[10:59] <cyne> i will try
[11:00] <martinjh99> I was a bit put off Ubuntu because it was Gnome but then Kubuntu came along... :)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> heh...cant stand gnome
[11:00] <martinjh99> May try others but always will come back to Kubuntu...
[11:01] <Hobbsee> it's so boring, and grey...and even though i change the styles, doesnt seem to be that "nice" though
[11:01] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:01] <Hobbsee> now of course, kde 3.5 beta makes it even nicer
[11:01] <martinjh99> I don't like it - Always try the latest version when it comes out though just in case...  Prefer KDE - its more configurable for a start!
[11:02] <Hobbsee> lol...i didnt bother
[11:02] <Hobbsee> had a look at some screenshots and saw it was still grey
[11:02] <martinjh99> :)
[11:02] <Hobbsee> now...what was I going to do....
[11:02] <martinjh99> Its just not as configurable as KDE...
[11:02] <Hobbsee> oh yes, mail notifier for thunderbird
[11:02] <Hobbsee> exactly!
[11:03] <Hobbsee> ROFL @ aftertaf's exit message
[11:03] <martinjh99> lol nice one!
[11:03] <CaiN_SA> is skype in multiverse ?
[11:03] <cyne> holy sh$@#%
[11:03] <martinjh99> Anyways gonna leave - Found out what I needed to know... :)
[11:04] <crimsun> CaiN_SA: no
[11:04] <cyne> Hobbsee: all i had to do is delete /etc/vmware/not_configured
[11:04] <Hobbsee> lol
[11:04] <cyne> and it runs!
[11:04] <Hobbsee> simple solutions are always nice
[11:04] <cyne> ( 3 days later )
[11:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:07] <Hobbsee> 1 day later for my sound...gotta love thinking on problems
[11:07] <Hobbsee> still thinking about that reboot one
[11:08] <freeflying> who can tell me if there is libXrender.la under /usr/lib/
[11:08] <Hobbsee> in which?  breezy?
[11:08] <freeflying> yeah
[11:09] <freeflying> I'm using breezy
[11:09] <freeflying> I found thst this file missed 
[11:09] <Hobbsee> checking
[11:10] <freeflying> the pakcage libxrender-dev does not include this file
[11:10] <Hobbsee> not there, no
[11:10] <Hobbsee> at least on my system it's not there
[11:11] <freeflying> you have this file ?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> no
[11:11] <crimsun> why would you need the .la?
[11:12] <freeflying> when i build some package ,it is needed
[11:16] <freeflying> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs/2005-July/066834.html
[11:22] <pipoun> Is it possible to update from au Ubuntu HH to a Kubuntu BB?
[11:23] <crimsun> pipoun: yes
[11:24] <pipoun> I've already instralled kde
[11:24] <crimsun> pipoun: it'll be easier to install kubuntu-desktop in HH first, then dist-upgrade to BB
[11:24] <pipoun> ok that's what I've done
[11:24] <pipoun> thanks all
[11:25] <crimsun> freeflying: highly unlikely that it'll be fixed in BB
[11:25] <Jeromee> Is there anyone here running a raid card?
[11:37] <nikkia> Jeromee: i'm using a promise 'raid' sata controller, but not kubuntu :)
[11:37] <nikkia> (i also only have 1 disk attached to it, but it still insists on it being part of a raid 0 array :)
[11:43] <woodefec> hello
[11:43] <woodefec> how's kubuntu doin?
[11:45] <mianos> re
[11:46] <woodefec> i am a suser currently, fine with it, but i know kubuntu is fast a nd reliable
[11:58] <cyne> wb propagandhi 
[11:58] <cyne> propagandhi:  all i had to do is delete /etc/vmware/not_configured
[11:58] <kikov> cyne: have you updated your kernel?
[11:59] <propagandhi> cyne: yeah bu now reboot
[11:59] <kikov> cyne: there is a new patch for that
[11:59] <propagandhi> *but
[11:59] <kikov> for supporting 2.6.12
[11:59] <cyne> kikov: yes i have updated my kernel
[11:59] <kikov> take a look on google
[12:00] <kikov> !google 2.6.12 vmware
[12:00] <ubotu> Not a clue, kikov
[12:00] <miso> hi guys...
[12:00] <kikov> what so stupid bot... hehe
[12:00] <miso> how does this stupid irc work?????
[12:01] <kikov> working
[12:01] <kikov> what do you need?
[12:02] <miso> I don't know may be som tutorial how to find some people form my country here
[12:02] <kikov> http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/readme.txt -> cyne
[12:03] <miso> lot of text
[12:03] <miso> ok i'll try to read it, huh
[12:04] <kikov> miso: what do you try to do
[12:04] <kikov> ?
[12:04] <kikov> miso: what do you want?
[12:04] <kikov> ok... cu
[12:04] <propagandhi> cyne: have you rebooted yet since removing the not_configured file
[12:06] <cyne> propagandhi: no
[12:06] <cyne> kikov: i will look at that, thanks
[12:07] <propagandhi> ok, i suggest you do that, then tell me problem solved
[12:08] <KJ> what for is an IRC channel?
[12:09] <cyne> propagandhi: ok i will try
[12:09] <cyne> exit
[12:10] <propagandhi> KJ: learn more you must
[12:10] <propagandhi> KJ: IRC the way you must learn
[12:20] <cyne> propagandhi: you're right it doesn't work when i reboot
[12:20] <cyne> i have to just delete it again
[12:20] <propagandhi> cyne: i thought so
[12:20] <propagandhi> cyne: my advice is to download the beta
[12:21] <propagandhi> it supports ubuntu now
[12:21] <propagandhi> and it wont do that
[12:21] <propagandhi> when the full version comes out, the beta expires, you download the full version
[12:23] <cyne> ok
[12:27] <Hobbsee> beta of what?
[12:31] <nikkia> Hobbsee: vmware, i think
[12:31] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:32] <nikkia> i hope 5.5 isn't going to be a pay-upgrade, it was hard enough getting my boss to pay for the 4.5->5.0 upgrade just a couple of months after buying 4.5 :/
[12:35] <phoenixbyrd> serials.ws ... why pay? :P
[12:36] <Tm_T> ...
[12:36] <nikkia> phoenixbyrd: because i use it in a commercial environment, and costing the company millions of pounds in a lawsuit isn't very healthy for your career
[12:36] <phoenixbyrd> or, just use xen
[12:36] <Hobbsee> lol nikkia
[12:36] <Hobbsee> probably true
[12:37] <phoenixbyrd> nikkia: switch to xen, isn't that supposed to be better anyways?
[12:37] <phoenixbyrd> I haven't tried it yet
[12:38] <nikkia> phoenixbyrd: xen doesn't support windows
[12:39] <nikkia> which kind of negates it in terms of using it to test code targeted to run on a windows platform, really
[12:39] <Hobbsee> lol yeah, odd that
[12:39] <Hobbsee> !xen
[12:39] <nikkia> qemu would work, but i don't think it supports 3d
[12:39] <nikkia> and developing 3d games on a virtualiser that doesn't support 3d is tricky
[12:41] <incubii> i just got 5.5 RC runnin this week
[12:41] <incubii> veyr nice
[12:42] <propagandhi> lad chap cuz bro 
[12:42] <propagandhi> back to the future is on
[12:42] <propagandhi> aight
[12:43] <woodefec> xen doesnt support windows?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> nikkia:; what are you working on?
[12:44] <propagandhi> looks like the kubuntu kde 3.5 repos are back up
[12:44] <woodefec> so i cant install windows as an application using xen?
[12:44] <nikkia> Hobbsee: i work for a company that makes gambling terminals, working on roulette atm
[12:44] <Hobbsee> oh fun
[12:44] <Hobbsee> propagandhi: excellent
[12:45] <Hobbsee> evening thoreaputic
[12:45] <nikkia> Hobbsee: its a little more 'fun' than the regular games industry, shorter projects, smaller teams, and more feeling of accomplishment at the end
[12:46] <propagandhi> nikkia: i suppose theres always a sense of accomplishment when you know you're reaching into someone elses pocket
[12:46] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:46] <nikkia> propagandhi: don't want to lose money? don't play them, its that simple
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, if you're lucky enough to actually get the money
[12:46] <nikkia> and no, we don't
[12:47] <Hobbsee> very true - what are the odds of winnign there again?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> didtn think so
[12:47] <propagandhi> nikkia: thats a great philosophy, but its till a play on human nature hey
[12:47] <nikkia> Hobbsee: it depends on the machine and the ruleset, but the individual odds of a specific game are hard to work out, noone bothers
[12:47] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:47] <Hobbsee> something very remote
[12:48] <nikkia> Hobbsee: the machines are (usually, again, depends on ruleset) set to pay out a fixed %age of the money put in
[12:48] <nikkia> Hobbsee: as such, the individual game is irrelevant in the code, really
[12:49] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[12:52] <phoenixbyrd> nikkia: why not code the gambling terminals in linux instead?
[12:54] <neotrophy> Anyone know how to turn off drop shadows for a particular window.  I can see how to do transparency, but not shadows (kde 3.4)
[12:54] <nikkia> phoenixbyrd: because the industry is split into two segments atm.... the old style 'one machine, one game', and the newer 'multi-game terminal' usually the latter is a piece of hardware sourced by a company outside our control, and usually, in the case of UK machines running windows because 'that's what people know how to program', you can't have a multi-game terminal where you have to change OS..
[12:54] <nikkia> to change games
[12:55] <nikkia> single-game terminals are usually bare metal programming, the last one i worked on was a SH-3 based board with *NO OS AT ALL* i had to write to the VGA controller at the register level
[12:55] <phoenixbyrd> sounds fun lol
[12:58] <nikkia> in the case of my current project, its a single-game terminal based on a linux PC running the software under java, personally, i think the java part means we lose a lot of the advantages of it being a PC in terms of performance, but I have no say over the hardware/environment, the company that provides the terminals has the only say in that matter
[01:02] <aftertaf> nikkia:  you dont like java much, do you? :)
[01:04] <nikkia> aftertaf: i don't mind it, if its used in a place where it is adequately useful
[01:04] <aftertaf> hehe.... bu you resent having to use it when you know of different ways to get to a similar result?
[01:05] <nikkia> aftertaf: as an API for an (expected) high-performance game, i don't think it fits the task at hand, and when the customer complains that the performance is terrible compared to competitor's products, and all you can say is 'its because of java' it gets frustrating
[01:06] <aftertaf> are you in no position to suggest an alternative in terms of environment?
[01:06] <nikkia> aftertaf: especially when their API isn't complete enough, and you start having to implement visual effects in java rather than the underlying JNI layer to work around shortcomings in their API design
[01:06] <nikkia> aftertaf: no, absolutely not
[01:06] <aftertaf> frustrating indeed!!
[01:06] <nikkia> aftertaf: we're just one developer contracted to produce software to run on their environment
[01:07] <aftertaf> customer is always right, eh?
[01:07] <kikov> esto es una mierda con balcones a la calle. joe con el teclao del ibook
[01:07] <nikkia> aftertaf: also, because of API design constraints, we have a memory footprint of around 700MB, because they insist on loading/decoding the xvid videos we use for animations into ram
[01:09] <aftertaf> not a bundle of fun, then.....
[01:11] <jmg> is there any app like quicksilver for kubuntu?
[01:13] <aftertaf> what is quicksilver?
[01:13] <aftertaf> !equivalents
[01:13] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, equivalents is A decent list of linux equivalents and analogues can be found here: http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml#1
[01:14] <GNAM> where ADEPT came from?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> huh?  from the repositories?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> !adept
[01:15] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[01:15] <GNAM> successor of Kynaptic?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:15] <Hobbsee> works beautifully
[01:16] <aftertaf> ok    katapult does something since i rebooted. but what?
[01:16] <aftertaf> i see the centre splash screen
[01:17] <Hobbsee> !katapult
[01:17] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[01:17] <aftertaf> i do altspace.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> type in a program name, or the name of one of your bookmarks, and it'll open it
[01:18] <aftertaf> where?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> start typing, assuming you see the center splash screen
[01:19] <aftertaf> ....
[01:19] <aftertaf> ...
[01:19] <aftertaf> ...
[01:19] <aftertaf> wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:19] <aftertaf> WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[01:19] <aftertaf> :))))
[01:19] <aftertaf> wow as a hardcore wowwy thing
[01:21] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:21] <Hobbsee> i know!
[01:21] <Hobbsee> it's neat
[01:21] <Hobbsee> pretty and more useful run command
[01:23] <jmg> khelp is only indexing man pages
[01:25] <incubii> i think i will need to get that
[01:25] <Hobbsee> incubii: get what?
[01:26] <incubii> katapult
[01:26] <aftertaf> bookmarks too :)
[01:26] <aftertaf> niiiiiiiice
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[01:26] <Hobbsee> very nice
[01:26] <Hobbsee> incubii: breezy or hoary?
[01:27] <incubii> breezy
[01:27] <Hobbsee> run katapult
[01:27] <Hobbsee> it'll already be installed
[01:27] <Hobbsee> !katapult
[01:27] <incubii> oh
[01:27] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[01:27] <incubii> excellent
[01:27] <Hobbsee> very
[01:27] <incubii> will do that on tuesday when im at work
[01:28] <Hobbsee> i'll actually have to learn the names of my bookmarks now lol
[01:28] <Hobbsee> you cant try it now?
[01:29] <phoenixbyrd> winex3 /home/phoenixbyrd/.cxoffice/dotwine/fake_windows/Program Files/SecondLife/SecondLife.exe -ignorepixeldepth
[01:29] <phoenixbyrd> is that right?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ah boring
[01:29] <incubii> :P
[01:29] <Hobbsee> not a clue, this is probably the wrong channel to ask that
[01:29] <incubii> free
[01:30] <Hobbsee> OS X free?
[01:30] <phoenixbyrd> trying to make a desktop icon for a windows game
[01:30] <incubii> it is when work gives you a G4
[01:30] <phoenixbyrd> but I need to use -ignorepixeldepth after the exe
[01:31] <incubii> be nice when qemu can run XP
[01:31] <incubii> then i can run it on PPC
[01:31] <incubii> :)
[01:34] <aftertaf> incubii:  lol: definition of free :)
[01:35] <incubii> well i need to know OS X for my work so i said give me a G5 they said no we will give you a G4
[01:35] <incubii> score!
[01:38] <Hobbsee> oh right
[01:38] <Hobbsee> nice
[01:38] <incubii> waiting for breezy release to dual boot
[01:39] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:39] <incubii> already have a 2nd drive in the machine waiting for breezy
[01:39] <Sdemon> how can i install microsoft web fonts on kubuntu rc?
[01:40] <aftertaf> Sdemon:  ttf?
[01:40] <Sdemon> yeah
[01:40] <incubii> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:40] <incubii> i think
[01:40] <aftertaf> !info msttcorefonts
[01:40] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[01:40] <aftertaf> !info msttcorefonts breezy
[01:40] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[01:40] <aftertaf> yep incubii 
[01:42] <Sdemon> !info
[01:42] <Sdemon> !info msttcorefonts
[01:42] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section multiverse/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
[01:43] <Sdemon> ok thanks
[01:44] <dipnlik> anyone syncing a palm with kubuntu?
[01:46] <aftertaf> yes
[01:46] <aftertaf> me:)
[01:46] <dipnlik> I tried to sync my UX50 yesterday but had two problems. First, the sync doesn't complete. Second, I think I have a problem with character encodings
[01:46] <dipnlik> aftertaf: what PDA do you have?
[01:46] <aftertaf> ok. encoding, you can change that in kpilot
[01:46] <aftertaf> I have a Treo 600
[01:47] <aftertaf> why doesnt synch complete? any error messages?
[01:47] <dipnlik> kpilot crashes on J9 MIDP something
[01:48] <dipnlik> don't know if it is related with the J9 somehing or with the next thing to be synced, or with the "lead out"
[01:48] <dipnlik> what encoding do you use o kpilot?
[01:48] <aftertaf> i set it to iso -15
[01:48] <aftertaf> french accents
[01:49] <aftertaf> J9 what'sthat?
[01:49] <dipnlik> aftertaf: Java
[01:49] <dipnlik> for Opera Mini
[01:50] <aftertaf> oof, cant help you on that one. i dont have it;.....
[01:50] <dipnlik> wow, a Treo user that doesn't know about Java and Opera Mini :P (Just kidding!)
[01:51] <aftertaf> lol
[01:51] <aftertaf> no, i dont know about them... should I? (serious too)
[01:51] <dipnlik> well, "best" browser around
[01:52] <dipnlik> not that it renders perfectly, but it is way fast
[01:52] <dipnlik> you should find info on it on treocentral
[01:52] <aftertaf> i dont surf with my treo though
[01:52] <dipnlik> oic
[01:52] <aftertaf> :)
[01:53] <dipnlik> i have opera mini on my UX for testing, and on my Symbian phone for real navigation when needed, runs smoothly there
[01:53] <dipnlik> it is aimed to java phones, k750i people around here also think Opera Mini is "the next best thing"
[01:55] <_fitz> y
[01:56] <dipnlik> cuz it is a very decent browser
[01:59] <aftertaf> hehe ok.
[02:06] <aftertaf> ok. ive installed ksensors (apt-get)
[02:06] <aftertaf> now, what do i do to make it work? i know there are docs but its friday and im a bit lazy here.......
[02:06] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:06] <Hobbsee> try running "ksensors" but otherwise you'll have to reboot
[02:06] <aftertaf> hey, ive been thinking all day, im tired.)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <aftertaf> oooooh it did something :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> :D
[02:07] <Hobbsee> what'd it do?
[02:08] <aftertaf> a flashy splash
[02:08] <aftertaf> but the window is empty :/
[02:08] <Hobbsee> do you have new little icons on the kicker?
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> !dvds
[02:10] <ubotu> Kamping_Kaiser: No idea
[02:10] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[02:10] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[02:10] <aftertaf> yeah, one. a chip with a colouerd bar behind it.
[02:10] <aftertaf> but dblclick opens an emply window.
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell bettong_bofh about dvd
[02:12] <aftertaf> rebootage i imagine.
[02:12] <apokryphos> Riddell: re: website -- much better design
[02:13] <Riddell> apokryphos: thanks
[02:13] <Riddell> although the logo is no blue on blue which isn't good
[02:14] <Riddell> and I havn't looked at it in IE
[02:15] <aftertaf> still.... nice site Riddell 
[02:15] <aftertaf> :)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> definetly better site Riddell
[02:15] <Hobbsee> particularly with the RSS
[02:15] <Riddell> still no i18n though
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !i18n
[02:16] <ubotu> I don't know, Hobbsee
[02:16] <Hobbsee> i18n?
[02:16] <aftertaf> but.......... Riddell .....
[02:16] <aftertaf> http://www.kubuntu.org/breezy-preview.php == 404 not found
[02:16] <aftertaf> and the logo isnt visible in IE6
[02:17] <Hobbsee> but it's not the breezy preview anymore, so that makes sense, it's the breezy release candidate
[02:17] <aftertaf> haha you just changed it again ;)
[02:18] <aftertaf> yeah, the link was old.... or my cache was od
[02:18] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:18] <Riddell> aftertaf: moved to announcements/
[02:18] <aftertaf> in IE, you now get the round blue logo, on a white bg.
[02:18] <Riddell> aftertaf: screenshot?
[02:18] <aftertaf> but no kubuntu text.
[02:18] <aftertaf> Riddell:  mail adr?
[02:18] <aftertaf> joking!!!
[02:19] <aftertaf> yeah ill send you it JR ;)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:19] <Riddell> aftertaf: URL is best
[02:20] <aftertaf> i cant put it on a url.....
[02:20] <aftertaf> pastebin?
[02:20] <aftertaf> hehehehehe
[02:22] <Hobbsee> oh, can i whinge and whine and suggest that the image http://www.kubuntu.org/kubuntu-final-ie-hack.png on each page has a hyperlink back to the main kubuntu page?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> the one in the top left
[02:23] <aftertaf> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/2851
[02:25] <phoenixbyrd> how do I get rid of that bouncing icon when I open an app?
[02:25] <phoenixbyrd> nvm
[02:26] <BlackDesert> hi guys ! what about the docs section of the site ?
[02:27] <man2d> hi@ll
[02:27] <man2d> what about breezy? does it work good?
[02:27] <aftertaf> man2d:  yes it does. imho
[02:27] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:28] <aftertaf> !breezy
[02:28] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:28] <man2d> how many lags? :)
[02:28] <aftertaf> !disco
[02:28] <ubotu> aftertaf: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:28] <aftertaf> ah crap
[02:28] <aftertaf> ubotu:  unforget disco
[02:28] <ubotu> aftertaf: Successfully recovered 'disco'.  Have fun now.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> disco?
[02:29] <aftertaf> !disco
[02:29] <ubotu> methinks disco is Woo Yeah, boogie on down...... **flashing lights*** party :D
[02:29] <Hobbsee> not too many lags
[02:29] <Hobbsee> LOL
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ok then
[02:29] <man2d> where it will be stable?
[02:29] <man2d> *when
[02:30] <man2d> sorry :)
[02:30] <BlackDesert> 13 oct
[02:30] <aftertaf> man2d:  www.kubuntu.org
[02:30] <Hobbsee> it's already pretty stable, but 13 oct is release date
[02:30] <man2d> aftertaf ty, i know this link :)
[02:30] <man2d> ok, thx for all
[02:30] <aftertaf> go breezy now
[02:31] <aftertaf> !nickometer man2d
[02:31] <ubotu> 'man2d' is 22% lame, aftertaf
[02:31] <aftertaf> right........
[02:31] <aftertaf> !cigarette
[02:31] <ubotu> It's bad to smoke, but aftertaf needs one all the same...  Here dude, have a light :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> *raises eyebrows*
[02:31] <Hobbsee> !nickometer Hobbsee
[02:31] <ubotu> 'Hobbsee' is 0% lame, hobbsee
[02:31] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:31] <Hobbsee> !water
[02:31] <ubotu> Not a clue, Hobbsee
[02:32] <Hobbsee> !nickometer aftertaf
[02:32] <ubotu> 'aftertaf' is 0% lame, hobbsee
[02:32] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: you should clearly feel honoured
[02:43] <aftertaf> hehe i am :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hmmm...this searching is not successful...
[02:48] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hi
[02:49] <m_tadeu> I've been experimenting kubuntu5.1....where is a good place to report those little bugs that I found? ;)
[02:50] <aftertaf> bugzilla
[02:50] <Hobbsee> bugzilla.ubuntu.com 
[02:51] <m_tadeu> nice....btw...best distribution around
[02:51] <aftertaf> hehe cool
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yay!  i'm not alone in this rebooting problem!
[02:54] <aftertaf> what rebooting pb?
[02:55] <^rob^> heloooooooo
[02:55] <^rob^> ubuntu kde users!
[02:55] <^rob^> :)
[02:56] <AnGelo> hello guys
[02:56] <^rob^> just came to salute all kde ubuntu users
[02:56] <^rob^> byeeeee
[02:56] <^rob^> :)
[02:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:56] <^rob^> hi Angelo
[02:56] <AnGelo> i just start downloading of kubuntu rc1 :)
[02:56] <^rob^> what's your problem?
[02:56] <^rob^> i am in the mood to help!
[02:56] <^rob^> say
[02:56] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: in breezy, i cant reboot.
[02:57] <aftertaf> weird.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> it will go thru it's rebooting routine
[02:57] <AnGelo> i don't have problems yet, but in hoary 5.04 i can't install ntfs partitions :/
[02:57] <Hobbsee> get to "rebooting system" and the monitor will turn off
[02:57] <aftertaf> !ntfs
[02:57] <^rob^> Angelo: what do you mean with "can't install" ??
[02:57] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  can you shutdown?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> yet the "computer on" light is still on, and i can hear the hard drive still running
[02:57] <^rob^> you can't mount ntfsp ?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> yes, shutdown works fine
[02:57] <AnGelo> yep i can't mount
[02:57] <aftertaf> and boot works fine too.
[02:57] <aftertaf> ?
[02:57] <AnGelo> i have some strange errors, but im newbie...so you know :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> the only way to actually poweroff after a reboot is by hitting the power button
[02:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:58] <aftertaf> oddness abounds.
[02:58] <^rob^> AnGelo: what errors?
[02:58] <AnGelo> soon i try do everything on 5.10, and then i tell ya about my problems :)
[02:58] <aftertaf> anyone have the kubuntu usplash working? mine shows loading modules then cuts to std console output
[02:58] <AnGelo> i was di dont renember error codes, etc. :/
[02:59] <tomasz> Hiya :-)
[02:59] <^rob^> when you tryed to mount ntfs partitions?
[02:59] <AnGelo> tomasz ,poland ?
[02:59] <tomasz> yeah Angelo Poland :)
[02:59] <AnGelo> no to witam cieplo :)
[03:00] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: looks like it's happening to others as well, but no solution that i've seen yet http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=69819&highlight=reboot
[03:00] <tomasz> witam witam :)
[03:00] <AnGelo> jak dlugo na linuchu ?
[03:00] <tomasz> od wczoraj :)
[03:01] <AnGelo> hehe, ja juz tydzien kiedys bylem, ale nie umialem...:/
[03:01] <tomasz> ja musze dac sobie rade .. ucze sie teraz linuxa w szkole wiec wiesz :)
[03:01] <tomasz> Hey Guys anyone can tell me how to get sound on my kubuntu system ?
[03:02] <AnGelo> a jaka masz karte muzyczna ?
[03:02] <tomasz> taka prosta na plycie glownej
[03:02] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: same thing as this, too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70072&highlight=reboot
[03:02] <tomasz> Sis SI 7012
[03:03] <AnGelo> moze po prostu kompatybilna nie jest :/
[03:03] <tomasz> to bym mial dola
[03:03] <AnGelo> Firefox 1.5Beta2 is avaible
[03:03] <aftertaf> looking.....
[03:04] <aftertaf> do i need to d anything special for ksensors to work, apart from reboot?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i dont recall so
[03:04] <AnGelo> i hope they seamonkey alpha 2 on firefox 1.5b2 code :) soon
[03:05] <Hobbsee> firefox 1.5 beta 2 out hey?  hope they stick it in repositories under some other name
[03:11] <tomasz> Any Idea how tog et my Sound card work ? :/ sis si7012 ?
[03:14] <BFA|WoRsTeNBoY> hi, cant seem to find how to install xvid :s (want to see my avi's :) )
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who would be the person to ask about laptops not rebooting properly on breezy?  I dont seem to be alone in this problem.  Should I just file a bug for it?
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the problem?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> every time i hit reboot, it goes thru the shutdown routine, then says "rebooting system", then the screen goes blank
[03:18] <Hobbsee> so far so good
[03:18] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, the screen stays blank, yet the hard drive is clearly still running, and the computer light is still on
[03:19] <Hobbsee> the only way to actually shut down the system is to press and hold the power button
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i never had a problem with reboot on hoary, and shutdown and booting works perfectly on breezy
[03:21] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70072&highlight=reboot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=69819&highlight=reboot also show people having this problem
[03:23] <Hobbsee> reproducible every single time since installing breezy, including the reboot during the installation process
[03:26] <Hobbsee> on a toshiba a10 satellite
[03:30] <phoenixbyrd> SPOOON!
[03:37] <mornfall> deja vu
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> later folks. 
[03:43] <dipnlik> tring to mount a folder from a winxp machine but failing. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //server/d, missing codepage or other error. dmesg | tail: smbfs: mount_data version -1208153600 is not supported. /etc/fstab: //server/d /media/server/d smbfs defaults 0 0. any ideas?
[04:00] <dipnlik> To install java, instructions on the wiki tell to install java-package, but the package doesn't exist
[04:01] <vieirar> Is it possible to start a second xsession? I want to use x over ssh if I do it from my kde screen it messes everything up. The doc say to run it from xinit. But when in console and xinit display 0 is in use.
[04:06] <PieD> Hi folks
[04:07] <PieD> I've got a problem with my Acer Aspire 1692 Wlmi laptop : the battery informations are not available under breezy
[04:07] <PieD> according to the informations from http://www.aalbiol.upv.es/ACER.html, I have to download a new DSDT
[04:08] <PieD> I did so, I compiled it and put it in the right folder (I followed the instructions of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ACPIBattery)
[04:08] <PieD> but yet, acpid is freezing at boot when loading the ac module
[04:08] <TheRonin> hey to all
[04:09] <PieD> and if I prevent that module from loading, I don't get any battery information
[04:09] <PieD> (and when I want to load it later, insmod freezes)
[04:09] <PieD> does somebody have any idea about this ?
[04:11] <TheRonin> i've a problem, I dont have scrollbars on firefox, and it doesnt use the right font on the page... can someone help me?
[04:26] <helpme> hiyaa all! im new here...kanotix user here wanna switch to kubuntu
[04:28] <Tm_T> helpme: welcomr :)
[04:35] <helpme> wow kubuntu dvd has lotsa stuff:)
[04:39] <helpme> this is a QUIET channel....not what i was expecting:(
[04:43] <antrix> How do I know whether the Ubuntu kernel has a certain patch or not? I am specifically looking for a trackpoint patch
[04:44] <Riddell> antrix: check the changelog?
[04:44] <antrix> where is the kernel changelog? do i have to install kernel source?
[04:45] <Riddell>  /usr/share/doc/linux*
[04:45] <crimsun> antrix: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:45] <Riddell> yes :)
[04:45] <antrix> ok :)
[04:45] <antrix> btw, looking for this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Patch_to_enable_advanced_trackpoint_configuration
[04:46] <crimsun> no
[04:46] <crimsun> support for it was removed in 2.6.10-10
[04:46] <crimsun> "The driver is too buggy and breaks normal ps2 mouses in certain cases."
[04:47] <antrix> yeah.. saw that
[04:47] <antrix> checking bugzilla now
[04:49] <DocTomoe> I am asking this question on 
[04:51] <stupendo5> hey, is there a changelog anywhere for the difference between breezy preview and release candidate?
[04:51] <Riddell> stupendo5: breezy-changes mailing list
[04:51] <Riddell> DocTomoe: not related to imaclinux are you?
[04:52] <DocTomoe> negative, Riddell. Should I be?
[04:52] <Riddell> DocTomoe: someone called DocTome was
[04:53] <stupendo5> Riddell: thanks
[04:53] <DocTomoe> I am asking this question on #ubuntu, too, but the answers are not helpful ("Install without package-manager" and "use an outdated version"). Problem description: I followed the fakeroot explanation for the sun JDK (at the ubuntu wiki) step by step, however, "fakeroot"  tells me that no plugin was found, and canceled the installation... any ideas on this one?
[04:55] <antrix> So I wonder if they've looked at the trackpoint patch since feb 
[04:55] <dipnlik> I want to install txt2tags from http://txt2tags.sourceforge.net/download.html , what file should I get and how do I install it?
[04:55] <dipnlik> txt2tags from the repos is very old
[04:56] <Riddell> dipnlik: you probably need the sources and compile it
[04:56] <Riddell> DocTomoe: do you have fakeroot installed?
[04:56] <DocTomoe> Riddell, jupp. java-common and java-something as well. as stated before, I kept to the guide on ubuntu wiki
[04:57] <dipnlik> Riddell: and how do I compile it? sorry, i'm new to this...
[04:57] <DocTomoe> dipnlik ... usually it is ./configure ; make ; sudo make install
[04:58] <Riddell> dipnlik: uncompress, read the README or INSTALL file and probably as DocTomoe says
[04:58] <DocTomoe> dipnlik might take a while, tought
[04:58] <Riddell> dipnlik: you can also poke #ubuntu-motu to update the package
[04:59] <DocTomoe> Riddell ... if this might be helpfuk, fakeroots output is at http://pastebin.com/386225
[05:01] <stupendo5> is there a chart or list anywhere that tells what i386-i686 stand for?
[05:02] <DocTomoe> stupendo5: might be the intel processor line of x86, no? ;)
[05:03] <stupendo5> well, but i386 seems to refer to all x86 processors (amd or intel). But I'm wondering what the difference is. I've heard there's also i486 & i586
[05:04] <DocTomoe> you can optimise machine code for higher processors, but that renders that code unusable on older ones. when this one appears in package names, the code is optimized for processors newer or as new as the architecture stated.
[05:05] <DocTomoe> i586 is the 1992's (?) pentium, btw. 
[05:05] <kasim> current cpu are i686 and above
[05:06] <Tm_T> I do have still i486sx2 processor in use
[05:06] <DocTomoe> they make great routers and need no cooling. 486s are pretty handy for those tasks
[05:07] <DocTomoe> (which does not help me with my java installation problem, tought -_-)
[05:07] <kasim> im writing this on a VIA 1Ghz silent i686 CPU
[05:08] <stupendo5> ok, now I understand
[05:11] <AMIGrAve> how can I run an emulator (eg: xmame, uae, ...) using DGA as a normal user (not root) ?
[05:11] <Riddell> DocTomoe: no idea about your java problem I'm afraid
[05:12] <Tm_T> kasim: too new :/
[05:12] <kasim> yes and expensive, but silent :=)
[05:13] <Tm_T> hmm, have to find my ms dos 3.2 disk
[05:13] <Tm_T> would be great in 80286
[05:14] <kasim> Tm_T: there is a new OS. Called Linux, check it out ..
[05:14] <Tm_T> kasim: in 80286...'
[05:14] <stupendo5> is running apt-get dist-upgrade the same as updating using the new kubuntu cd? Can I use the cd to upgrade?
[05:14] <kasim> Tm_T: maybe not ..
[05:14] <Tm_T> kasim: you know, computers with 512K mem ;)
[05:15] <kasim> stupendo5: i think yes
[05:15] <Tm_T> sometimes I feel myself too old for this
[05:16] <Tm_T> stupendo5: not the very same, it's easier to use apt
[05:19] <kasim> Tm_T: what are the differences to apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:20] <kasim> just doing this btw
[05:20] <kasim> i just have some other apps on it too
[05:21] <stupendo5> I've heard that there's an option to turn off something like "resize window while maximized". Any idea where it is?
[05:21] <kasim> they are not thrown out, but apart of that ...?
[05:21] <rikva> Is there a way to upgrade Hoary to the latest Breezy RC1?
[05:21] <kasim> rikva: yes
[05:22] <rikva> kasim: how?
[05:22] <kasim> you have to change your sources to breezy and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:22] <rikva> kasim: thanks
[05:23] <kasim> rikva: im my etc/apt/sources.list i have lines like:
[05:23] <kasim> deb     http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[05:24] <rikva> kasim: I understand what you mean, I just didn't think of it :)
[05:25] <kasim> rikva: even better. I ment i have *only* breezy lines in sources.list
[05:25] <rikva> kasim: It wants to delete kubuntu-desktop... is that right? :|
[05:26] <kasim> dont know, i started from kubuntu hoary not ubuntu hoary
[05:26] <rikva> yeah me too
[05:26] <rikva> I have Kubuntu Hoary right now
[05:27] <kasim> of course thats a big upgrade. alswas a bit risky. but worked for me, some trouble (cant recall details) had to be solved by hand
[05:27] <rikva> hmm
[05:27] <rikva> I'll wait for the release then
[05:28] <kasim> there will be no difference!
[05:28] <kasim> the upgrade itselv is more the problem
[05:29] <kasim> i would try it, make a backup of VERY important files
[05:29] <rikva> so when breezy is really out, updating will also be a problem?
[05:29] <stupendo5> I've heard that there's an option to turn off something like "resize window while maximized". Any idea where it is?
[05:29] <rikva> stupendo5: I know, moment
[05:30] <rikva> stupendo5: okay, I have the Dutch KDE :p
[05:30] <stupendo5> rikva: ok
[05:30] <rikva> stupendo5: kcontrol -> desktop
[05:30] <rikva> stupendo5: window behaviour?
[05:30] <rikva> stupendo5: moving ?
[05:30] <kasim> such un upgrade is always risky imho. be prepared to do some things by hand, like delete a package and try again
[05:31] <brosio> mmm to auto mount device in ubuntuwith kde3.4 what can i use ?
[05:32] <rikva> stupendo5: can you find it?
[05:32] <stupendo5> rikva: there we go, thanks a lot
[05:32] <rikva> np
[05:32] <stupendo5> I'm used to the law...
[05:32] <stupendo5> :)
[05:33] <stupendo5> used to windows really, where you can just flick your mouse up to the corner and close the window
[05:34] <rikva> fetching 1040 packages... :|
[05:34] <kasim> hope you have a good connection
[05:35] <rikva> luckily i have
[05:35] <kasim> have a cup of tee
[05:38] <kasim> im not getting unsure if "apt-get dist-upgrade" is the same as a new install from a cd.
[05:39] <kasim> e.g. i just had to install "kio-locate" by hand. that is no doubt part of breezy kubuntu
[05:40] <stupendo5> I'm downloading kubuntu iso through torrent at 225 KB/s and also running dist-upgrade
[05:40] <stupendo5> dist-upgrade is done downloading. now installing
[05:42] <phoenixbyrd> how do I stop the bouncy icon near my mouse when I start an app?
[05:42] <brosio> how could i do to add a path to all user like /usr/jdk1.5.0_05/bin ?
[05:43] <kasim> phoenixbyrd: there is a timeout somewhere for that, and i can be disabled too
[05:43] <DocTomoe> brosio: have you suceeded in fakeroot?
[05:43] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: excellent work with the website changes (sorry I'm a few hours late)
[05:44] <stupendo5> phoenixbyrd: kcontrol > Appearance & Themes > Launch Feedback
[05:45] <theplateau> how can i add mp3 support to amarok? its saying use an alternate engine, its using gstreamer
[05:46] <philipacamaniac> theplateau: I believe if you install gstreamer0.8 from universe, you'll get mp3 support (I have to check on this real quick)
[05:47] <philipacamaniac> gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg
[05:47] <theplateau> ok thanks, i remember somewhere at google a few packages 
[05:47] <theplateau> yea those are it
[05:47] <theplateau> thanks
[05:48] <kasim> im leaving cia
[05:49] <stupendo5> is it possible to change the way the clipboard operates. It looks like currently, if you copy something to the clipboard and then close that application, you can't paste it.
[05:49] <stupendo5> despite the lack of question marks, that was a question...
[05:49] <philipacamaniac> the clipboard retains the last 10 copies or so, just click the tray icon
[05:53] <stupendo5> I was trying to copy a file
[05:53] <stupendo5> I closed konqueror after I selected copy, then I tried to paste it on the desktop, but it said the clipboard is empty. I looked at klipper, but I can't see how to paste the file on the desktop
[05:54] <philipacamaniac> yeah, i was mostly referring to text copies - sorry :)
[05:55] <philipacamaniac> btw, everybody get on bittorrent if you have the release candidate :D
[05:55] <stupendo5> I'm upping at 25
[05:56] <_lupus> Hi, should "sudo alsaconf" work in kubuntu?
[05:56] <_lupus> says alsaconf not found even if alsa-utils r there
[05:56] <philipacamaniac> I'm starting it now on one of my servers, and I have a T1 pipeline. I'll leave it open all day.
[05:57] <chorton> I just upgraded to the breezy release candidate, and have the boot splash.  How can I change that splash away from the kubuntu one?
[05:58] <philipacamaniac> chorton: what splash did you want to have?
[05:58] <chorton> I'm assuming there is a default ubuntu one.
[05:58] <liteinside04> hello there!
[05:59] <philipacamaniac> chorton: yes, it looks just the same, but says ubuntu.
[05:59] <liteinside04> help here please...
[05:59] <philipacamaniac> well and its brown
[05:59] <Phobos> Is it better to install the nvidia-glx package or the drivers from nvidia?
[05:59] <chorton> philipacamaniac: So do you know how I can switch to that?
[06:00] <philipacamaniac> chorton: yeah hold on
[06:00] <liteinside04> does anybody here uses gaim vv?
[06:00] <liteinside04> i need help installing it.. pls...
[06:01] <liteinside04> hello...
[06:01] <philipacamaniac> chorton: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[06:01] <philipacamaniac> chorton: it will then default to the ubuntu artwork
[06:01] <chorton> philipacamaniac: Okay, tryin it.
[06:04] <chorton> philipacamaniac: Thank ya very much.
[06:04] <philipacamaniac> np
[06:05] <Phobos> How is everyone liking breezy?
[06:05] <philipacamaniac> I've put it on a laptop so far, and I like it
[06:06] <chorton> It's on my lappy.  Gnome at least seems to be a tad faster than warthog.
[06:06] <chorton> Or I'm imagining things.
[06:06] <philipacamaniac> i also really like Ubuntu Breezy (gasp!)
[06:07] <Phobos> Is there any reason to stick with Hoary?
[06:07] <Phobos> It seems like people are having some networking issues with breezy.
[06:07] <philipacamaniac> wireless or wired?
[06:07] <Phobos> wireless
[06:08] <philipacamaniac> hmm - good to know, since my desktop at home (hoary waiting to be upgraded) is wireless
[06:09] <stupendo5> any idea why amarok isn't updating the collection?
[06:09] <chorton> My lap is working fine on wireless.
[06:09] <Phobos> has anybody had nvidia problems with breezy?  I had to jump through some hoops to get my nvidia card to work with hoary.
[06:09] <chorton> As long as you guys are reading this anyways.
[06:09] <stupendo5> I have my music folder on the collection list, but it's not finding anything when it scans
[06:10] <philipacamaniac> stupendo5: what format is your music in?
[06:12] <philipacamaniac> Phobos: I haven't been able to use anything but the "nv" driver on a GeForce2 Go (laptop)
[06:12] <stupendo5> mp3
[06:12] <stupendo5> it plays fine when I play it, but nothing's in my collection or being seen
[06:12] <philipacamaniac> what about when you go to playlists?
[06:12] <stupendo5> nothing there
[06:12] <stupendo5> oh
[06:12] <stupendo5> wait
[06:12] <Phobos> philipacamaniac: Is the NVIDIA creating TLS links thing screwing stuff up again? That's what my problem was before.
[06:12] <stupendo5> yeah there is
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> Phobos: I've never had Nvidia till now, so I wouldn't know
[06:13] <nikkia> philipacamaniac: the Geforce2GO was deprecated recently, you'll need to roll back to an older driver, its documented on www.nvidia.com if you go to the drivers for linux page
[06:13] <philipacamaniac> nikkia: muchas gracias!
[06:14] <nikkia> basically, the bottom line is that the 7667 driver supports very little that is older than the geforce 4
[06:14] <stupendo5> philipacamaniac: my playlist is showing under playlists, but why isn't anything in Collection?
[06:14] <nikkia> (i believe its because 7667 implements OpenGL 2.0 and that can't be done on the pre-4 h/w)
[06:14] <Phobos> nikkia: I thought that was the idea of their unified driver system so things like that wouldn't happen
[06:14] <tucoz> Hi, I thought I jump in and update my hoary install to breezy. Do I just follow the update instructions for ubuntu?
[06:14] <philipacamaniac> stupendo5: did you attempt to build the collection? you have to make sure you choose a database (I prefer SQLlite)
[06:15] <nikkia> phobos, you'd have thought so, yes, it angers me a bit, because some h/w i have to deal with at work uses OpenGL on TNT2s
[06:15] <Phobos> nikkia: that sucks...
[06:15] <Phobos> nikkia: what driver do you use?
[06:15] <philipacamaniac> nikkia: so I can't get a driver from the repos?
[06:15] <nikkia> Phobos: on the TNT2s? they're windows machines, running NT4, can't remember which driver
[06:16] <nikkia> philipacamaniac: you *might* be able to, when this first happened, there was an older driver in there that supported the older cards, but i don't know if its still the case
[06:16] <nikkia> panickedthumb: i think its 71xx that supports the older cards, but go read nvidia's site to find out for sure
[06:16] <Phobos> I've heard of some nvidia users prefering to stick with the 6 series instead of the 7 series of drivers
[06:16] <nikkia> erm, philipacamaniac that was meant for :)
[06:19] <Phobos> Has anybody with breezy had any luck using the kde compositing stuff?
[06:20] <stupendo5> philipacamaniac: I attempted to. I went through the wizard. is there something more I have to do?
[06:21] <philipacamaniac> Phobos: I had it working, but it was **** slow
[06:22] <Phobos> philipacamaniac: That could have been that you were using the nv driver. I had it working like that too, but when I started using the nvidia driver KDE would just crash on me. This was with hoary of course, maybe things have changed with breezy.
[06:22] <tucoz> I read that breezy is using kde 3.4.2, but I have updated to 3.5 beta. Is this ok when updating hoary to breezy?
[06:23] <philipacamaniac> so no gl with composite
[06:23] <nikkia> philipacamaniac: you can mix them, its very unreliable
[06:23] <nikkia> its a flag in xorg.conf to enable both together
[06:24] <philipacamaniac> I'd almost rather just have fake drop shadows then sacrifice speed
[06:24] <nikkia> personally, i don't bother with the composite stuff, its too unreliable, and requires too many compromises right now
[06:24] <nikkia> maybe in another 5 years, it might be useable for someone that *works* with GL
[06:25] <Phobos> philipacamaniac: you can use nokonpmanager
[06:25] <philipacamaniac> Phobos: i'll take a look at that
[06:26] <philipacamaniac> stupendo5: I'm looking at amaroK now
[06:26] <Phobos> philipacamanic: I've never used it, so I count vouch for it, but you can find it at: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29761
[06:26] <Phobos> uhh, I mean can't not count...
[06:27] <stupendo5> philipacamaniac: thank you
[06:28] <phoenixbyrd> I stupidly install the XP theme and it put icons on my desktop, tried removing the theme, but the icons are still there and won't delete, how can I get rid of them?
[06:29] <philipacamaniac> I remember somone asking the same exact thing a few days ago - was that you, phoenixbyrd?
[06:29] <phoenixbyrd> prolly
[06:29] <philipacamaniac> :)
[06:29] <phoenixbyrd> been a few days now since I been trying to find a way to get rid of them
[06:30] <Phobos> phoenixbyrd: what happens when you try to delete them?
[06:30] <phoenixbyrd> whoa ok.... uh. hang on
[06:31] <phoenixbyrd> access denied
[06:32] <phoenixbyrd> this is the path it points too /home/phoenixbyrd/Desktop/My Computer
[06:32] <stupendo5> you'll probably have to use sudo at the terminal
[06:33] <Phobos> phoenixbyrd: sudo rm -r /home/phoenixbyrd/Desktop/My\ Computer\
[06:33] <phoenixbyrd> are they just shortcus then? I don't wanna remove my whole home dir or anything like that lol
[06:34] <phoenixbyrd> ok nothing blowed up yet
[06:35] <phoenixbyrd> ty guys :)
[06:35] <Phobos> np
[06:36] <damg> hi, what do i havw to add to sources.list to access ubuntu`s stuff?
[06:36] <damg> e.g. libgtk or xchat, xmms and so on
[06:37] <stupendo5> isn't that stuff in the default repository?
[06:37] <phoenixbyrd> yea it is
[06:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell damg about sources
[06:37] <damg> i cant install any gtk stuff, ill post the error, moment
[06:39] <damg> xmms-kde: depends on: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but is not installable and so on
[06:39] <phoenixbyrd> install libglib then
[06:40] <phoenixbyrd> u have adept?
[06:40] <stupendo5> what version of libglib do you have installed right now?
[06:40] <damg> also several other problems: i cant install packets which are actually 100% in the repository, e.g. pciutils-dev
[06:40] <damg> or xchat
[06:40] <damg> apt-get tells me that it didnt find the package, apt-file finds it
[06:41] <phoenixbyrd> use adept if u have it
[06:41] <phoenixbyrd> I just installd xchat np from it
[06:42] <damg> apt-get install xchat: package not available, but referenced by another one. Blah blah there is no candidate for package xchat
[06:43] <damg> and thats the same for a lot of packages or their depends
[06:43] <delltony> questoin when i start up kubuntu i get a big dialog box in the center of the screen that says volume 0% and it will not go away any idea how to kill this or find out exactly which process id it is?
[06:45] <damg> kmix?
[06:46] <delltony> yeah i'm thinking it might be i did a xkill on it and nada
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> stupendo5: stuff showed right up when I built my collection in amaroK. maybe go to Configure and make sure a database is selected on the Collections page.
[06:47] <stupendo5> I did that
[06:47] <stupendo5> I'm going to restart it
[06:50] <damg> if anyone asks again: de.archive.ubuntu.com repositories seem to have problems - neither yesterday nor today i could install that stuff. Changed the repos to the ones in the paste the bot mailed to me and everything worked.
[06:50] <damg> mailed->msgd
[06:54] <philipacamaniac> stupendo5: okay, trying to add more files to the collection isn't working. what the crap.
[06:55] <stupendo5> philipacamaniac: after I restarted kubuntu, everything's in the collection. I'm going to try adding more
[06:56] <philipacamaniac> that's 'tarded. you rebooted, or just restarted kde?
[06:58] <stupendo4> philipacamaniac: I just restarted the whole system. I suppose I could have tried restarting just kde
[06:58] <stupendo4> adding songs seems to have worked fine
[06:59] <helpme> does kubuntu dvd have gaim in it??
[06:59] <stupendo4> the directory I added doesn't have a playlist file, though. Maybe that has something to do with it
[07:04] <Mars_^> Hi
[07:04] <Mars_^> i need help
[07:04] <Mars_^> in installing dance pad
[07:04] <Mars_^> ok
[07:04] <Mars_^> so i will ask
[07:05] <Mars_^> 1.How can i compile module in to Kernel?
[07:05] <philipacamaniac> stupendo4: playlists aren't required for the collection (at least not normally)
[07:05] <stupendo4> right, but I'm thinking it's possible the playlist hindered the songs being added to the collection somehow
[07:06] <stupendo4> the first directory I added has a playlist file in the directory
[07:06] <stupendo4> the second one doesn't
[07:13] <Mars_^> Uhh
[07:20] <philipacamaniac> how can snapshot parts of the universe repo to a cd? not all, just certain apps and dependencies.
[07:20] <philipacamaniac> automagically, and I want to be able to apt-cdrom it, not use dpkg -i.
[07:22] <philipacamaniac> as in, how do we get necessities like dvd and mp3 playing, games, yada yada to people who have very slow connections
[07:23] <Mars__^> Hi
[07:23] <Mars__^> I am trying to install dance pad
[07:23] <Mars__^> but i have problems
[07:23] <Mars__^> main problem is tajt i am ubuntu user since last week
[07:23] <Mars__^> and i dont know how to do some thimgs
[07:24] <Mars__^> I have to compile modulein to kernel
[07:24] <Mars__^> but i dont know how to do this
[07:24] <Mars__^> can you help me?
[07:24] <Mars__^> - parport,
[07:24] <Mars__^> - parport_pc,
[07:24] <Mars__^> - joydev,
[07:24] <Mars__^> - input,
[07:24] <Mars__^> - hid,
[07:25] <Mars__^> i have to compile them in to kernel
[07:25] <Mars__^> But i dont know how :(] 
[07:27] <Mars_^> Me again
[07:28] <PhoenixByrd> how do I use katapult?
[07:28] <Mars_^> Hmm
[07:28] <philipacamaniac> PhoenixByrd: alt-space
[07:28] <PhoenixByrd> tyty
[07:28] <Mars_^> You are going to destroy something wuth it?
[07:29] <Mars_^> Some castle?
[07:29] <Mars_^> modprobe - what do i use it to?
[07:29] <philipacamaniac> Mars_^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto  (not for beginners)
[07:30] <philipacamaniac> Mars_^: in a Konsole or Terminal, type "man modprobe"
[07:30] <Mars_^> funny
[07:30] <Mars_^> mars@lunar:~$ sudo modprobe input
[07:30] <Mars_^> FATAL: Module input not found.
[07:31] <Mars_^> shit
[07:31] <Mars_^> i need it
[07:32] <philipacamaniac> Mars_^: joydev and usbhid are already running
[07:32] <Mars_^> ok better for me
[07:32] <Mars_^> i dont know what i am doing :] 
[07:33] <Mars_^> uuuu
[07:33] <Mars_^> another problem
[07:33] <Mars_^> mars@lunar:~/StepMania/ddrmat-0.12$ make
[07:33] <Mars_^> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/mars/StepMania/ddrmat-0.12 modules
[07:33] <Mars_^> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu. Stop.
[07:33] <Mars_^> make: *** [Default]  Bd 2
[07:33] <Mars_^> mars@lunar:~/StepMania/ddrmat-0.12$
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> next time, use http://kubuntu.pastebin.com to paste stuff :)
[07:33] <Mars_^> ok sorry
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> Mars_^: get the debian source - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ddrmat-source"
[07:39] <philipacamaniac> it has a readme
[07:41] <spiral> hi
[07:41] <Mars_^> how can i get info what version of kernel is mine?
[07:44] <Mars_^> but how can i know which version of kernel i have? i need it to ask somweone what to do with another thing
[07:46] <philipacamaniac> Mars_^: "uname -r"
[07:49] <p> < nub to irc, lookin for channel for help with setting up CS-Server...
[07:49] <p> anyone have any suggestions?
[07:50] <slicslak> according to http://ubuntuguide.org/ the java plugin is installed with the package sun-j2re1.5.  i can't find ANY sun java packages.  here's my apt-get sources: http://pastebin.com/386366
[07:51] <apokryphos> slicslak: giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs (for hoary)
[07:53] <slicslak> apokryphos, thanks
[07:54] <elcuco> hi, whats the name of the package to install the build esentials...? 
[07:55] <apokryphos> build-essential
[07:58] <elcuco> :)
[07:59] <apokryphos> Riddell: rubberband is pretty perfect with better graphics cards, btw
[08:00] <slicslak> i downloaded the .deb, but i can't seem to find the apt-get option that specifies a file to use.
[08:00] <apokryphos> slicslak: dpkg -i <somepack>.deb
[08:01] <slicslak> right.  ok thanks.
[08:26] <PhoenixByrd> all ur settings get saved if u start kde with an empty session?
[08:44] <TokenBad> in kontact how can I have it auto check the email every like 5 mins
[08:50] <Xorlev> Need a little help with Kubuntu Breezy...I just installed it clean from the Kubuntu Breezy Preview disk onto a separate partition than my normal system. It seems to work perfectly other than one thing: the mouse is messed up. The mouse moves, the programs work, but unable to click or hover over anything. I can select UI elements with my keyboard and use them, but the mouse refuses to work correctly. Once when I removed my USB mouse and plugged in a 
[08:50] <Xorlev> PS/2 mouse it started working correctly, but then after a reboot it did the same thing with the PS/2 mouse. I also upgraded completely (apt-get update, apt-get upgrade) and the same symptoms before and after.
[08:54] <hussam> I'm having a problem with adept. it crashes after I uninstall a program. I uninstalled synaptic and adept crashed after it finished uninstalling.
[08:58] <TokenBad> in kontact how can I have it auto check the email every like 5 mins
[09:01] <Riddell> KDE 3.4.3 testers wanted  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343/ breezy main
[09:01] <SSJ> TokenBad:Settings->Configur KMail->Accounts-> <account you wish to check > -> Modify -> Check Interval
[09:02] <hussam> Riddell: will kde 3.4.3 make breezy?
[09:02] <Riddell> hussam: if you test it yes
[09:04] <hussam> Riddell: ok I'll upgrade to it now.
[09:04] <Riddell> hussam: great
[09:04] <Riddell> it's only arts, kdelibs, kdebase
[09:13] <rikva> I've got a small problem... I did an upgrade from Hoary to Breezy, it deleted kubuntu-desktop. I want to install it now, but it depends on ksysguard, and he doesn't want to install ksysguard
[09:14] <rikva> " Vereisten:ksysguardd (=4:3.4.2-0ubuntu5) maar 4:3.4.91-0ubuntu0hoary1 wordt genstalleerd"
[09:14] <Drakeson> is there anything wrong with the ubuntu server? I cannot access it.
[09:16] <hussam> is there somthing wrong with irc.freenode.net? I keep getting disconnected.
[09:19] <philipacamaniac> me too
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Ahh! What happened to breezy
[09:21] <DaSkreech> It's terrible
[09:22] <SSJ> rikva:Same problem as this guy? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72896
[09:22] <hussam> DaSkreech: what's wrong with it? it's running brilliantly here
[09:23] <DaSkreech> The menus are all cluttered and the Splash screen is gaudy
[09:23] <DaSkreech> it's lost all the Polish and directness of Hoary
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> the menus have the same number of items, if not less
[09:23] <DaSkreech> And whats with the mob of package/update managers?
[09:24] <DaSkreech> I just did an update to Breezy and the menus are huge now :(
[09:24] <philipacamaniac> huge as in using bigger icons?
[09:24] <hussam> DaSkreech: or font?
[09:24] <DaSkreech> Huge as in they go to the bottom of the screen then they have more programs with more entries after that
[09:25] <DaSkreech> You know the more programs item which opens up more menus?
[09:26] <hussam> DaSkreech: More Applications?
[09:26] <hussam> DaSkreech: you can always remove any applications you don't need
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah :-)
[09:26] <philipacamaniac> holy crap - that sounds like a standard debian/kde installation
[09:26] <DaSkreech> It does
[09:26] <DaSkreech> I nearly cried
[09:27] <philipacamaniac> my breezy started nice and clean, so you know
[09:27] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[09:27] <DaSkreech> Is Kynaptic still there?
[09:28] <hussam> I'm still happy kde in Breezy seems more stable than hoary. 
[09:28] <rikva> SSJ: yepp same problem
[09:28] <philipacamaniac> DaSkreech: Adept replaces Kynaptic
[09:29] <SSJ> rivka:I can't help, I'm afraid, but at least you're not alone =)
[09:29] <DaSkreech> My friend did update his laptop and it's a tad unstable
[09:29] <DaSkreech> His power managment is shot
[09:33] <rikva> SSJ: i've found the solution, I think. If i'm right i'll post it
[09:33] <rikva> The only packet  I miss now is kicker...
[09:33] <SSJ> rikva:Great stuff - well done!
[09:33] <rikva> it conflicts with the file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/apps/kmenu.png' that is also in kdelibs-data
[09:34] <rikva> first reboot.
[09:35] <philipacamaniac> whoa. I got 3d rendering working on a geforce2 go, but the framerate is horrid.
[09:45] <Xorlev> philipacamaniac: Does the nvidia proprietary drivers cover the GeForce 2 Go?
[09:47] <philipacamaniac> Xorlev: I installed nvidia-glx-legacy
[09:47] <rikva|laptop> SSJ: ok, didn't work, system is borked :(
[09:48] <rikva|laptop> downloading the install torrent now
[09:48] <SSJ> rikva - that's a shame :( I'm sure it will be fixed in time for Breezy, though.
[09:48] <rikva|laptop> I hope so - I can handle it though
[09:58] <cge> Is there some way to get KPDF to shrink a page to fit another paper size for printing?
[10:07] <Kyaneos> hi
[10:16] <MikeStyle> hi guys, im trying to set up my own irc server using UnrealIRCd...but im not sure how to edit the .conf file to my liking...could someone help?
[10:20] <philipacamaniac> MikeStyle: visit #unreal-support@irc.unrealircd.com
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Will I be able to apt-get KDE 3.5?
[10:36] <chavo> DaSkreech, yes
[10:36] <gdh> Yes, when it's available :)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> Cool :)
[10:37] <chavo> you can get the beta now, I believe. I'm running 3.5, but I build myself.
[10:37] <DaSkreech> What was wrong with Kynaptic?
[10:38] <Tm_T> I use beta
[10:38] <Tm_T> chavo: you're running 3.5-svn?
[10:38] <chavo> yes
[10:38] <Tm_T> ok
[10:38] <chavo> It's very nice
[10:38] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[10:38] <DaSkreech> Wow
[10:38] <Tm_T> beta is too :)
[10:39] <DaSkreech> appeal will be done by March?
[10:44] <elcuco> hi all
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Sorry all is sick today
[10:47] <elcuco> sorry to hear that
[10:51] <DaSkreech> Is there a way to turn on Drag and drop in KDE?
[11:00] <elcuco> i have downloaded kubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso, is there anything i should know about it? something bad?
[11:00] <nalioth> elcuco: nothing at all, have fun
[11:00] <elcuco> i will update as soon as i install, so dont tell me about versions
[11:00] <elcuco> no special bugs?
[11:01] <elcuco> btw, if i md5sum /dev/cdrom, i should get the sane md5sum as the iso right?
[11:04] <DaSkreech> I'd not think so
[11:04] <elcuco> ok, then how can i md5sum the disk...?
[11:04] <elcuco> copying it to the disk...?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Do you have the iso?
[11:05] <DaSkreech> md5sum the ISO
[11:05] <DaSkreech> Or mount /dev/cdrom to a folder and md5sum the folder
[11:07] <DaSkreech> anything inside of /dev is a special file which describes hardware. Not the data that the hardware is transporting
[11:07] <logikal_> i just woke up
[11:20] <elcuco> i dd'ed it and then md5sum the new iso
[11:20] <elcuco> the md5sum is wrong
[11:21] <fate00> what is a "breezy-release-candidate"?
[11:21] <fate00> it's not a final release is it
[11:22] <fate00> is it going to be buggy or something?
[11:25] <fate00> is everyone gone?
[11:25] <BlackDesert> hi
[11:26] <BlackDesert> RC means use with carefull...
[11:26] <BlackDesert> and backup before using...
[11:26] <hydrogen> I have had no problems with it
[11:27] <TokenBad> how come kopete crashes?
[11:27] <fate00> BlackDesert: what if I install the release candidate now
[11:27] <Tm_T> RC means "we should release this? let's wait one week to make it really sure"
[11:27] <fate00> and I want the final version
[11:27] <fate00> do I have to completely format and reinstall to get it?
[11:27] <Tm_T> no
[11:28] <fate00> how do I upgrade to the final version then?
[11:28] <fate00> without formatting
[11:28] <Tm_T> fate00: just as normally you keep your kubuntu uptodate
[11:28] <fate00> really?
[11:28] <Tm_T> yes
[11:28] <BlackDesert> yes ...
[11:28] <fate00> do you have the RC?
[11:28] <BlackDesert> ;-)
[11:29] <Tm_T> fate00: I've been using breezy now over a week :)
[11:29] <fate00> sorry for all of these questions, I just don't want to mess up my laptop
[11:29] <fate00> I have kubuntu hoary on my desktop
[11:29] <fate00> I just didn't know breezy was stable
[11:29] <BlackDesert> u'll better wait...only 1 week...
[11:29] <Tm_T> BlackDesert: wait what?
[11:30] <fate00> well see, I promised myself I'd install linux on my laptop when breezy came out
[11:30] <BlackDesert> wait the release of stable...13 october
[11:30] <fate00> I can wait a week, but I don't really want to
[11:30] <fate00> it's really difficult going back to Windows
[11:30] <fate00> it's so... inferior
[11:30] <BlackDesert> eheheh :-)
[11:30] <fate00> I just hope they have good laptop support now
[11:30] <BlackDesert> or install hoary and then upgrade....
[11:31] <fate00> last time I installed linux it ate through my battery
[11:31] <Tm_T> fate00: oh, upgrade, breezy is imho better than hoary
[11:31] <fate00> can I burn the iso to a 650 mb cd?
[11:31] <fate00> or do I need one of those 700 mb ones?
[11:31] <fate00> all of my CD-RWs are 650
[11:33] <Tm_T> fate00: eh, you can upgrade your hoary to breezy
[11:33] <Tm_T> that's how I did it
[11:33] <Tm_T> and you don't need any cd:s
[11:41] <fate00> Tm_T: yeah, but I don't have hoary on my laptop
[11:41] <fate00> I have Windows
[11:41] <fate00> my desktop is the one with linux
[11:42] <TokenBad> in kontact under what is outgoing mail?
[11:42] <DaSkreech> In that case upgrade Windows to Hoary then Hoary to breezy :)
[11:42] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: You didn't have larger menus when you finished the upgrade?
[11:43] <TokenBad> I am trying to setup an outgoing mail in kontact
[11:43] <TokenBad> anyone help?
[11:43] <amu> TokenBad: accounts, sending
[11:43] <TokenBad> yeah just found it
[11:44] <BlackDesert> any suggestions about a p2p program (better than amule...)
[11:45] <TokenBad> yeah think I need them
[11:45] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: yes
[11:45] <Chousuke> BlackDesert: bittorrent? :P
[11:45] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: strange, but looks like it's "widened"
[11:45] <TokenBad> does kubuntu have any good games for download?
[11:45] <Chousuke> TokenBad: Frozen Bubble!
[11:46] <Chousuke> The most addictive Free game in the universe.
[11:46] <frank23> i'm upgrading to breezy, I hope apt's incantations work!
[11:46] <Tm_T> no, freeciv2!
[11:46] <TokenBad> get it from kynaptic?
[11:46] <Chousuke> yes.
[11:46] <Chousuke> and hmm.
[11:46] <TokenBad> I don't see it listed
[11:47] <Chousuke> enable universe repos
[11:47] <Chousuke> !repositories
[11:47] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[11:48] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: linespacing is bigger, dunno why
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: I meant in terms of the number of programs installed
[11:49] <Tm_T> aah
[11:49] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: not really?
[11:49] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[11:49] <DaSkreech> I have a nuge number of programs now
[11:49] <DaSkreech> huge
[11:49] <Tm_T> I always have =)
[11:49] <DaSkreech> Is there supposed to be a kynaptic entry? 
[11:50] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: no, adept
[11:50] <Tm_T> better
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Well I still have kynaptic and all the old stuff
[11:50] <DaSkreech> how do I purge them?
[11:51] <BlackDesert> sudo dpkg --purge [name] 
[11:51] <MarcC> alright, I'm here to nag a dev
[11:51] <MarcC> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=72896
[11:51] <SpudULike> #ubuntu
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[11:56] <TokenBad> in kubuntu where is games listes?
[11:59] <philipacamaniac> who's been using kubuntuforums.net?
[12:02] <tucoz> Hi, I am trying to install kubuntu from a cd. But, something is wrong and after the installer has found the hardware (floppy etc) it tries to mount the cd but fails