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| jsgotangco | jbailey, around? | 03:43 |
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| MadpilotPPC | there's a docteam mtg at 1400Z, right? | 06:16 |
| robitaille | yep according to the schedule | 06:18 |
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| MadpilotPPC | ack... 0700 our time... am *not* a morning person... ;) | 06:19 |
| thechitowncubs | Hey everyone | 06:19 |
| thechitowncubs | anyone here? | 06:19 |
| thechitowncubs | [[TableOfContents([maxdepth] )] ] | 06:19 |
| thechitowncubs | What would be an example of maxdepth | 06:20 |
| thechitowncubs | I'm trying to change this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications | 06:20 |
| robitaille | the crowd waves at thechitowncubs :) | 06:20 |
| thechitowncubs | but I can't seem to get the table to record my maxdepth option | 06:20 |
| MadpilotPPC | wiki markup... blarg... | 06:20 |
| robitaille | MadpilotPPC, yeah 7am is a bad time for me. Maybe tomorrow will be better since there is no school on friday due to that teacher strike.... | 06:20 |
| thechitowncubs | 11:21 pm here | 06:21 |
| thechitowncubs | I want to fix this one thing before I go to bed. | 06:21 |
| thechitowncubs | It's been bugging me for a long time... | 06:21 |
| thechitowncubs | anyone have any ideas? | 06:21 |
| MadpilotPPC | thechitowncubs, I see what you mean; that's an ugly ToC | 06:22 |
| thechitowncubs | HEH | 06:22 |
| thechitowncubs | I'm trying to limit it to the app name | 06:23 |
| MadpilotPPC | what happens if you bump some of the subtitles down to just being bold, rather than being actual headers | 06:23 |
| thechitowncubs | that's an option, i'd rather use the maxdepth option, seems to be easy | 06:24 |
| MadpilotPPC | ... only if it works... | 06:24 |
| thechitowncubs | Ah, fixed. | 06:24 |
| thechitowncubs | had to remove [] | 06:24 |
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| mdke | jbailey, for when you get up, PM for ya | 08:51 |
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| robitaille | jsgotangco, I'm not too late to look at the release notes? 24 hours later, I'm finally free to look at them :) | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, zone out, its very much open season at the moment | 09:04 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, in the credit section, we have "contributors" for all the section, even the ones with only one guy listed. Should I change them, or we are expected more names everywhere? | 09:35 |
| jsgotangco | credit? | 09:35 |
| robitaille | in the release notes, at the end there is a credit section | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | what are you looking at | 09:37 |
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| robitaille | gnome/releasenotes/C/release-notes.xml | 09:38 |
| robitaille | humm.. I guess I was reading the wrong one :) | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | nooo | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | breezy-release-notes.xml | 09:38 |
| robitaille | now I'm lost. so it's not on the svn repo? | 09:42 |
| robitaille | but only at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/gnome/releasenotes/C/breezy-release-notes.xml | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | it is | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | that's the one | 09:45 |
| robitaille | ok I got it now.. I was a bit dense tonight... maybe a sign that it is bed time soon :) | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | the doc is almost done though just a few more things to add | 09:50 |
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| robitaille | is "regulary" a word? :) (in the first line of what's new) | 09:57 |
| Kinnison | hi | 09:58 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, I'm going to bed. The only 2 things in the breezy-release notes I noticed were that "regulary" typo in the what's new section, and section 2.4 is missing the actual installation instructions. But I'm guessing the instructions are still to come | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, just the mandatory press enter or type server or oem thing | 10:14 |
| robitaille | jsgotangco, how about inserting the CD first :) | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | i'll work on it tonight then send to list for reviews | 10:17 |
| robitaille | sounds good. good night | 10:17 |
| rob^ | is it worth having a meeting today? | 10:42 |
| MadpilotPPC | at oh-God-hundred hours? | 10:43 |
| rob^ | yar | 10:44 |
| MadpilotPPC | I'm not going to make it, I'm afraid... | 10:44 |
| rob^ | I noticed the agenda page hasn't been updated, because theres really not much to talk about at the moment | 10:44 |
| MadpilotPPC | 1400Z = 0700 local, it's currently 0130 local, I'm four beer down and I work at 0900. 0700 meetings are right out for me... ;) | 10:45 |
| rob^ | the meeting is at midnight friday here | 10:45 |
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| jsgotangco | rob^, lol | 10:58 |
| rob^ | :) | 10:58 |
| jsgotangco | we made the meeting at 14:00 for our special friend the aussies | 10:59 |
| rob^ | such as me | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | (friday as well) | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | but the canucks doesn't seem to favor it at all | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, we need to rebuild | 10:59 |
| rob^ | 1400 doesn't bother me, friday is good though | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | we're the only active writers atm | 10:59 |
| rob^ | yeah ;( | 10:59 |
| jsgotangco | along with jjesse | 10:59 |
| rob^ | maybe we need to make it easier for people to help | 11:00 |
| rob^ | I noticed the odd person offering help on the list | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | odd? | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | we'll get creamed in dapper if we don't get our act together | 11:00 |
| rob^ | odd, as in occasional | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | au english *grr* | 11:01 |
| rob^ | aussie enlglish | 11:01 |
| rob^ | heh | 11:01 |
| rob^ | english | 11:01 |
| rob^ | I was tempted to do an aussie slang translation of the faq guide but didn't get time :) | 11:01 |
| MadpilotPPC | English is a wonderful language, but it's not actually spoken in England and everyone thinks their version is the "proper" version... ;) | 11:02 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, what is your vision of doc work in dapper | 11:02 |
| MadpilotPPC | rob^, I've been kicking around the idea of a .ca slang one, in time for UBZ, as a joke... ;) | 11:02 |
| jsgotangco | MadpilotPPC, are you doing an all-nighter? | 11:03 |
| rob^ | well for one thing I think it would be easier to discuss at ubz in person | 11:03 |
| MadpilotPPC | jsgotangco, no, I'm off to bed very, very soon, it's just on 0200 here | 11:03 |
| rob^ | but I can't swim that far :P | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | same here i could probably swim to your place though if i start this weekend | 11:04 |
| rob^ | heh you and I would be the docteam meeting | 11:04 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, MadpilotPPC we still need a plan though | 11:05 |
| rob^ | umm well now that we have an faq it won't take much to update it come dapper | 11:05 |
| rob^ | I think we should now work on getting the user guide up to scratch | 11:06 |
| jsgotangco | are you really satisfied with the faq atm | 11:06 |
| rob^ | well about as satisfied as I can be | 11:06 |
| rob^ | given the time restraint | 11:07 |
| rob^ | I'd like to have the kubuntu one done too | 11:08 |
| rob^ | I think we can still have a cost effective faq, but there are two or three pages that need to be separate for Ubuntu and Kubuntu | 11:09 |
| rob^ | I do think these string freezes are bad for keeping the docteam together though | 11:11 |
| jsgotangco | string freeze ain't bad what's bad is that no one's writing | 11:11 |
| rob^ | I think its because no one really can at the moment | 11:12 |
| rob^ | before breezy is released there is no point trying to document an os that doesn't yet exist | 11:12 |
| rob^ | as it was several late changed had to go through for the faq guide | 11:12 |
| jsgotangco | i disagree we have rolling milestones | 11:13 |
| rob^ | changes* | 11:13 |
| rob^ | maybe, but how can one write a faq guide or userguide about dapper at the moment? | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | like i said we have rolling milestones | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | oh you can't atm really | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | but you know have your breezy | 11:14 |
| rob^ | likelyhood is that not much will happen until after ubz, when plans have been put into place for dapper | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, oh no writing actually happens even after ubz | 11:14 |
| jsgotangco | but it doesn't mean you won't plan | 11:14 |
| rob^ | I'm talking real work though | 11:15 |
| jsgotangco | a week or two after ubz dapper uploads will happen | 11:15 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, yes thats what I meant | 11:15 |
| rob^ | I think one thing that would help is being able to upload new ubuntu-docs updatesafter release | 11:18 |
| jsgotangco | yes that's what me and jbailey have talked about | 11:19 |
| jsgotangco | making sure docs are uplodaed for every milestone | 11:19 |
| jsgotangco | even if its just WIP | 11:19 |
| rob^ | yes, thats a good start, one that I agree with | 11:19 |
| rob^ | its a pitty we cant have things translated after Ubuntu/Kubuntu release though | 11:20 |
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| jbailey | mdke: I could only wish it were PM when I woke up ;) | 02:14 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | does anyone know how big the doc svn repo is? | 03:21 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | iv downloaded what feels like a lot of stuff for doco :) | 03:21 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. 197M of doco. nice effort ppl :O | 04:57 |
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| jsgotangco | gahhh i totally forgot about 1400 | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | err anyone awake? | 05:10 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yeh, but whats 1400 :? | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | i got caught in a huge traffic jam and it was raining so hard | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | the main streets were flooded | 05:11 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | nice effort :O | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser: supposed to be docteam meeting (regular) | 05:11 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | oh. now? | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser: i was literally driving for 3 hours on floods | 05:11 |
| jsgotangco | and my little car was my hero of the day | 05:12 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | awsome :D | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | i shouldht have gone to the pub | 05:12 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | we just got drizzel here ;) | 05:12 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i have to start sifting bugzilla to see which of my 'bugs' have/havent been dealt with | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 05:13 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | and i havent finished tearing breezys help apart yet, so ill be in bugzilla for a long time :( | 05:13 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | then i have to deal with tehm :S | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | heh what is there to tear apart | 05:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | jsgotangco: are you any good with regex? | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | no | 05:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. ok. ill keep poking grep then :( | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey is your daddy | 05:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | re bugs, im going through the 'unnoffical guide' one page at a time trying to find errors, since its fairly important if it does end up going into breezy+1 (which iirc was in question?) | 05:15 |
| jsgotangco | Kamping_Kaiser: yes | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | we'd like to build on it in the future | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | its nice you've looked ahead | 05:16 |
| mdke | Kamping_Kaiser, pls note that in the docteam repo, "trunk" is out of date, the breezy stuff is to be found in branches/breezy | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | hey mdke | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: sorry for the death of our meeting, i got caught in a very bad traffic jam | 05:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mdke: i just finished the svn update, i havent had much chance to realy look at it, but thanks for the heads up | 05:17 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: Eh? =) | 05:20 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | jbailey: your good with regex? | 05:21 |
| jbailey | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not a master, no. | 05:23 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i couldn't make it either mate | 05:23 |
| jbailey | Not an apprentice anymore, though. =) | 05:23 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | then your better then me :) | 05:23 |
| mdke | Kamping_Kaiser, the instructions on the wiki refer to downloading the "trunk" which is our normal working copy | 05:23 |
| mdke | however they dont include some changes which we made to the breezy branch after we branched it off | 05:23 |
| mdke | hope this clarifies things | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | hi jbailey | 05:24 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | sort of mdke. what would be different in what i have from svn (from the wiki) and the branch? do i have to do something special to get it? | 05:24 |
| jbailey | Kinnison: Hey darlin' | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | hi Kinnison | 05:24 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | jbailey: the reason i ask -> grep ^.+ testfile <- isnt doing what i thought it did (list every line with characters in it) | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: got to talk to sabdfl a few hours ago, said he's gonna start writing too | 05:29 |
| mdke | Kamping_Kaiser, you can check out the breezy branch by substituting "trunk" with "branches/breezy" | 05:38 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, cool | 05:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mdke: thanks. ill try it | 05:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mdke: will the breezy branch be as large as trunk? | 05:39 |
| mdke | yep | 05:39 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. ok. could i download it over the top of trunk? i asume i can? | 05:39 |
| mdke | Kamping_Kaiser, either delete trunk or download it to another location | 05:40 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | ok. thanks | 05:40 |
| mdke | ok jbailey, ping? | 05:40 |
| jbailey | This client really sucks. It doesn't highlight on jbailey, | 05:42 |
| mdke | heh | 05:42 |
| jbailey | I wonder how many, I miss... | 05:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | heh | 05:42 |
| mdke | jbailey, got a moment, i'll show you what I mean with that faqguide translation stuff | 05:42 |
| Kinnison | jbailey: what client? | 05:43 |
| mdke | jbailey, yeah cool I can fix it | 05:48 |
| jbailey | Kinnison: irssi-text | 05:53 |
| jbailey | mdke: Sure, sorry. Got lagged trying to make my laptop boot | 05:53 |
| mdke | heh | 05:53 |
| Kinnison | jdub: Odd, mine works fine | 05:54 |
| mdke | jbailey, i have fixed de and sr | 05:54 |
| Kinnison | urgh | 05:54 |
| Kinnison | I can type | 05:54 |
| Kinnison | jbailey: odd, mine works fine | 05:54 |
| jbailey | mdke: Ooo, what did it take? | 05:54 |
| jbailey | Kinnison, hmm | 05:54 |
| jbailey | jbailey, hmm | 05:54 |
| mdke | removing some duplicate strings | 05:54 |
| Kinnison | jbailey: shiny? | 05:54 |
| mdke | jbailey, if you want to see a simple example: svn up in faqguide/de then run "xml2po -e -p de.po ../C/faqguide.xml > faqguide.xml | 05:55 |
| mdke | i'll upload the fixes in a moment | 05:55 |
| jbailey | mdke: So who's broken. The translator, rosetta, or poxml? =) | 05:55 |
| mdke | jbailey, rosetta I think | 05:55 |
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| mdke | heh | 05:55 |
| mdke | possibly xml2po tho | 05:56 |
| jsgotangco | the translatations seem to be truncated? | 06:01 |
| mdke | no | 06:03 |
| mdke | there are some duplicate msgid's | 06:03 |
| mdke | caused by merges in rosetta | 06:03 |
| mdke | that stop xml2po | 06:03 |
| jsgotangco | right | 06:04 |
| mdke | ok i've fixed pt, de and sr | 06:04 |
| mdke | ro has major issues | 06:04 |
| jsgotangco | ugghhh | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | wish i could help but translations are way out of my league | 06:05 |
| jsgotangco | unless you just want me to edit/delete the extras? | 06:05 |
| jbailey | jsgotangco: What, you don't speak Romanian? =) | 06:06 |
| mdke | heh | 06:06 |
| jsgotangco | Pri Ubuntu | 06:06 |
| mdke | i'll need to bash jordi and dand's heads together to figure it out | 06:06 |
| mdke | anyhow jbailey, the fixes are uploaded for those 3 languages | 06:07 |
| jsgotangco | jbailey: i've been improving in esperanto though | 06:07 |
| jbailey | mdke: Nice, thanks. | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 06:26 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ping? anyone about? how big is the doc team? | 06:32 |
| mdke | not very | 06:34 |
| mdke | participation varies | 06:34 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | so would it be this room +50%? or is it *very* dynamic in participation | 06:34 |
| mdke | very | 06:35 |
| mdke | you can't put a number on it | 06:35 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ok. was just wondering. thanks :) | 06:36 |
| mdke | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc is not a bad start though | 06:36 |
| mdke | plus jbailey | 06:36 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. i should re create my wiki account. my name isnt set up for a wikiname :/ | 06:37 |
| mdke | i have two wikinames | 06:37 |
| mdke | i rock | 06:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol. showoff :P | 06:38 |
| mdke | they are the same though | 06:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | whew. finished the 'unnoffial' quick guide | 07:05 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | only things i skipped were CC and GNU FDL :| | 07:05 |
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| jordi | mdke: hey. I'm here now. | 07:13 |
| jordi | mdke: ping | 07:18 |
| jordi | mdke: I don't have ro.po | 07:18 |
| mdke | jordi, hi | 07:44 |
| mdke | jordi, seems the ro issue is already known and reported | 07:44 |
| mdke | jordi, any idea about the de/sr/pt issues? | 07:44 |
| jordi | these fucking spammers are getting on my nerves today | 07:52 |
| jordi | In your mail: | 07:53 |
| jordi | In the above file for example, the offending part of the de.po was: | 07:53 |
| jordi | #: faqguide.xml:212(para) | 07:53 |
| jordi | #~ msgid "" | 07:53 |
| jordi | #~ "Internal references will look like this: <xref linkend=\"sect- " | 07:53 |
| jordi | #~ "acknowledgments\"/>.The numeral contained within square braces is | 07:53 |
| jordi | the [page " | 07:53 |
| jordi | #~ "number] ." | 07:53 |
| jordi | but I don't see this in de.po? | 07:53 |
| jordi | and the file compiles ok | 07:54 |
| jordi | or are these files corrected by you and you want me to upload? | 07:54 |
| mdke | jordi, that is correct | 07:55 |
| mdke | which spammers? | 07:55 |
| jordi | in general :) | 07:59 |
| jordi | they think I'm ill and need medicines. | 07:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 08:00 |
| mdke | jordi, ah, ok. i saw that bug carlos posted. If you upload the corrected files I sent you, will it help? | 08:00 |
| Kinnison | ciao | 08:03 |
| mdke | hello/bye | 08:03 |
| Kinnison | bye :-) | 08:03 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mdke: i just got the branch/breezy doco arm. its 30M smaller hten the trunk . could that be right? | 08:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | later mate :) | 08:04 |
| mdke | yes | 08:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | nice. so i have both :D up to date :D | 08:05 |
| mdke | cool | 08:05 |
| mdke | we will merge the changes back across to trunk at some stage | 08:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | so i should be looking at breezy to see whats got bugs or not? | 08:06 |
| jordi | mdke: I have no clue. Are there any changes in the file besides removing those obsolete strings? | 08:06 |
| mdke | Kamping_Kaiser, not really, since we can't fix them for breezy anyhow | 08:06 |
| mdke | jordi, no, none | 08:06 |
| jordi | mdke: you can upload them, can you? | 08:07 |
| mdke | jordi, i thought it was limited to translation teams only, but I can try | 08:07 |
| jordi | mdke: if you're the po owner (you are, right?), you should be able to do a "published upload" | 08:08 |
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| mdke | jordi, boh :) I can upload the pot template, but I have never tried uploading a cc.po before | 08:08 |
| mdke | jordi, will any changes that have been done since the po file was downloaded be lost? | 08:08 |
| jordi | just go to the de directory inside the potemplate, and you'll see an "upload file" link. | 08:09 |
| mdke | k | 08:09 |
| jordi | mdke: I think so; nto entirely sure | 08:09 |
| jordi | actually no, rosetta data should take precedence | 08:10 |
| mdke | fingers crossed then | 08:11 |
| mdke | i'll try later | 08:11 |
| jordi | I can find out for sure :) | 08:11 |
| mdke | okay i'll check here before i do it then | 08:11 |
| mdke | dinner now | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | dinner? | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 08:11 |
| jsgotangco | its already 2am here | 08:11 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | 2 am? inda or somewhere like that | 08:18 |
| jordi | mdke: you'll be safe; read #lp | 08:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | night all. 4am is a healthy time to crash imo :D | 08:23 |
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| mdke | jordi, i don't have permission to upload | 08:41 |
| jordi | mdke: how do you do template updates? | 08:42 |
| mdke | i upload them ok | 08:42 |
| jordi | mdke: don't worry. I'll handle. | 08:42 |
| mdke | jordi, merci | 08:42 |
| mdke | i tried at this page: | 08:42 |
| jordi | so I just have to add those three files you emailed? | 08:42 |
| mdke | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/de/+upload | 08:42 |
| jordi | what url exactly | 08:42 |
| jordi | ? | 08:42 |
| mdke | jordi, yeah those files I emailed | 08:43 |
| jordi | that gave you perm denied? | 08:43 |
| mdke | yep | 08:43 |
| jordi | maybe it's only for the german translators and admins then. | 08:43 |
| mdke | i think so | 08:46 |
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| jordi | mdke: ping | 10:05 |
| mdke | jordi, hi | 10:06 |
| jordi | mdke: false alarm | 10:13 |
| jordi | I didn't find your email. | 10:13 |
| jordi | I think everything is good now. | 10:13 |
| mdke | thanks | 10:13 |
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| jbailey | Eh. Why are the DTDs at the top of ccbysa.xml and friends commmented out? | 11:42 |
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