[03:43] <jsgotangco> jbailey, around?
[06:16] <MadpilotPPC> there's a docteam mtg at 1400Z, right?
[06:18] <robitaille> yep according to the schedule
[06:19] <MadpilotPPC> ack... 0700 our time... am *not* a morning person... ;)
[06:19] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone
[06:19] <thechitowncubs> anyone here?
[06:19] <thechitowncubs> [[TableOfContents([maxdepth] )] ] 
[06:20] <thechitowncubs> What would be an example of maxdepth
[06:20] <thechitowncubs> I'm trying to change this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications
[06:20] <robitaille> the crowd waves at thechitowncubs  :)
[06:20] <thechitowncubs> but I can't seem to get the table to record my maxdepth option
[06:20] <MadpilotPPC> wiki markup... blarg...
[06:20] <robitaille> MadpilotPPC,   yeah 7am is a bad time for me.  Maybe tomorrow will be better since there is no school on friday due to that teacher strike....
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> 11:21 pm here
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> I want to fix this one thing before I go to bed.
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> It's been bugging me for a long time...
[06:21] <thechitowncubs> anyone have any ideas?
[06:22] <MadpilotPPC> thechitowncubs, I see what you mean; that's an ugly ToC
[06:22] <thechitowncubs> HEH
[06:23] <thechitowncubs> I'm trying to limit it to the app name
[06:23] <MadpilotPPC> what happens if you bump some of the subtitles down to just being bold, rather than being actual headers
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> that's an option, i'd rather use the maxdepth option, seems to be easy
[06:24] <MadpilotPPC> ... only if it works...
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> Ah, fixed.
[06:24] <thechitowncubs> had to remove [] 
[08:51] <mdke> jbailey, for when you get up, PM for ya
[09:03] <robitaille> jsgotangco,   I'm not too late to look at the release notes?  24 hours later, I'm finally free to look at them :)
[09:04] <jsgotangco> robitaille, zone out, its very much open season at the moment
[09:35] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  in the credit section, we have "contributors" for all the section, even the ones with only one guy listed.  Should I change them, or we are expected more names everywhere?
[09:35] <jsgotangco> credit?
[09:36] <robitaille> in the release notes, at the end there is a credit section
[09:37] <jsgotangco> what are you looking at
[09:38] <robitaille> gnome/releasenotes/C/release-notes.xml
[09:38] <robitaille> humm.. I guess I was reading the wrong one :)
[09:38] <jsgotangco> nooo
[09:38] <jsgotangco> breezy-release-notes.xml
[09:42] <robitaille> now I'm lost.  so it's not on the svn repo?
[09:42] <robitaille> but only at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/gnome/releasenotes/C/breezy-release-notes.xml
[09:45] <jsgotangco> it is
[09:45] <jsgotangco> that's the one
[09:49] <robitaille> ok I got it now..  I was a bit dense tonight...  maybe a sign that it is bed time soon :)
[09:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:50] <jsgotangco> the doc is almost done though just a few more things to add
[09:57] <robitaille> is "regulary" a word?  :)    (in the first line of what's new) 
[09:58] <Kinnison> hi
[10:14] <robitaille> jsgotangco,   I'm going to bed.  The only 2 things in the breezy-release notes I noticed were that "regulary" typo in the what's new section, and section 2.4 is missing the actual installation instructions.  But I'm guessing the instructions are still to come
[10:14] <jsgotangco> robitaille, just the mandatory press enter or type server or oem thing
[10:16] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  how about inserting the CD first :)
[10:16] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i'll work on it tonight then send to list for reviews
[10:17] <robitaille> sounds good.  good night
[10:42] <rob^> is it worth having a meeting today?
[10:43] <MadpilotPPC> at oh-God-hundred hours?
[10:44] <rob^> yar
[10:44] <MadpilotPPC> I'm not going to make it, I'm afraid...
[10:44] <rob^> I noticed the agenda page hasn't been updated, because theres really not much to talk about at the moment
[10:45] <MadpilotPPC> 1400Z = 0700 local, it's currently 0130 local, I'm four beer down and I work at 0900. 0700 meetings are right out for me... ;)
[10:45] <rob^> the meeting is at midnight friday here
[10:58] <jsgotangco> rob^, lol
[10:58] <rob^> :)
[10:59] <jsgotangco> we made the meeting at 14:00 for our special friend the aussies
[10:59] <rob^> such as me
[10:59] <jsgotangco> (friday as well)
[10:59] <jsgotangco> but the canucks doesn't seem to favor it at all
[10:59] <jsgotangco> rob^, we need to rebuild
[10:59] <rob^> 1400 doesn't bother me, friday is good though
[10:59] <jsgotangco> we're the only active writers atm
[10:59] <rob^> yeah ;(
[10:59] <jsgotangco> along with jjesse
[11:00] <rob^> maybe we need to make it easier for people to help
[11:00] <rob^> I noticed the odd person offering help on the list
[11:00] <jsgotangco> odd?
[11:00] <jsgotangco> we'll get creamed in dapper if we don't get our act together
[11:00] <rob^> odd, as in occasional
[11:01] <jsgotangco> au english *grr*
[11:01] <rob^> aussie enlglish
[11:01] <rob^> heh
[11:01] <rob^> english
[11:01] <rob^> I was tempted to do an aussie slang translation of the faq guide but didn't get time :)
[11:02] <MadpilotPPC> English is a wonderful language, but it's not actually spoken in England and everyone thinks their version is the "proper" version... ;)
[11:02] <jsgotangco> rob^, what is your vision of doc work in dapper
[11:02] <MadpilotPPC> rob^, I've been kicking around the idea of a .ca slang one, in time for UBZ, as a joke... ;)
[11:03] <jsgotangco> MadpilotPPC, are you doing an all-nighter?
[11:03] <rob^> well for one thing I think it would be easier to discuss at ubz in person
[11:03] <MadpilotPPC> jsgotangco, no, I'm off to bed very, very soon, it's just on 0200 here
[11:03] <rob^> but I can't swim that far :P
[11:04] <jsgotangco> same here i could probably swim to your place though if i start this weekend
[11:04] <rob^> heh you and I would be the docteam meeting
[11:05] <jsgotangco> rob^, MadpilotPPC we still need a plan though
[11:05] <rob^> umm well now that we have an faq it won't take much to update it come dapper
[11:06] <rob^> I think we should now work on getting the user guide up to scratch
[11:06] <jsgotangco> are you really satisfied with the faq atm
[11:06] <rob^> well about as satisfied as I can be
[11:07] <rob^> given the time restraint
[11:08] <rob^> I'd like to have the kubuntu one done too
[11:09] <rob^> I think we can still have a cost effective faq, but there are two or three pages that need to be separate for Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[11:11] <rob^> I do think these string freezes are bad for keeping the docteam together though
[11:11] <jsgotangco> string freeze ain't bad what's bad is that no one's writing
[11:12] <rob^> I think its because no one really can at the moment
[11:12] <rob^> before breezy is released there is no point trying to document an os that doesn't yet exist
[11:12] <rob^> as it was several late changed had to go through for the faq guide
[11:13] <jsgotangco> i disagree we have rolling milestones
[11:13] <rob^> changes*
[11:13] <rob^> maybe, but how can one write a faq guide or userguide about dapper at the moment?
[11:14] <jsgotangco> like i said we have rolling milestones
[11:14] <jsgotangco> oh you can't atm really
[11:14] <jsgotangco> but you know have your breezy
[11:14] <rob^> likelyhood is that not much will happen until after ubz, when plans have been put into place for dapper
[11:14] <jsgotangco> rob^, oh no writing actually happens even after ubz
[11:14] <jsgotangco> but it doesn't mean you won't plan
[11:15] <rob^> I'm talking real work though
[11:15] <jsgotangco> a week or two after ubz dapper uploads will happen
[11:15] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes thats what I meant
[11:18] <rob^> I think one thing that would help is being able to upload new ubuntu-docs updatesafter release
[11:19] <jsgotangco> yes that's what me and jbailey have talked about
[11:19] <jsgotangco> making sure docs are uplodaed for every milestone
[11:19] <jsgotangco> even if its just WIP
[11:19] <rob^> yes, thats a good start, one that I agree with
[11:20] <rob^> its a pitty we cant have things translated after Ubuntu/Kubuntu release though
[02:14] <jbailey> mdke: I could only wish it were PM when I woke up ;)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know how big the doc svn repo is? 
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> iv downloaded what feels like a lot of stuff for doco :)
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. 197M of doco. nice effort ppl :O
[05:07] <jsgotangco> gahhh i totally forgot about 1400
[05:10] <jsgotangco> err anyone awake?
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, but whats 1400 :?
[05:11] <jsgotangco> i got caught in a huge traffic jam and it was raining so hard
[05:11] <jsgotangco> the main streets were flooded
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice effort :O
[05:11] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: supposed to be docteam meeting (regular)
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh. now?
[05:11] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: i was literally driving for 3 hours on floods
[05:12] <jsgotangco> and my little car was my hero of the day
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> awsome :D 
[05:12] <jsgotangco> i shouldht have gone to the pub
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> we just got drizzel here ;)
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have to start sifting bugzilla to see which of my 'bugs' have/havent been dealt with
[05:13] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i havent finished tearing breezys help apart yet, so ill be in bugzilla for a long time :(
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> then i have to deal with tehm :S
[05:14] <jsgotangco> heh what is there to tear apart
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> jsgotangco: are you any good with regex?
[05:14] <jsgotangco> no
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok. ill keep poking grep then :(
[05:15] <jsgotangco> jbailey is your daddy
[05:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> re bugs, im going through the 'unnoffical guide' one page at a time trying to find errors, since its fairly important if it does end up going into breezy+1 (which iirc was in question?)
[05:16] <jsgotangco> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[05:16] <jsgotangco> we'd like to build on it in the future
[05:16] <jsgotangco> its nice you've looked ahead
[05:16] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, pls note that in the docteam repo, "trunk" is out of date, the breezy stuff is to be found in branches/breezy
[05:16] <jsgotangco> hey mdke
[05:17] <jsgotangco> mdke: sorry for the death of our meeting, i got caught in a very bad traffic jam
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: i just finished the svn update, i havent had much chance to realy look at it, but thanks for the heads up
[05:20] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Eh? =)
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> jbailey: your good with regex?
[05:23] <jbailey> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not a master, no.
[05:23] <mdke> jsgotangco, i couldn't make it either mate
[05:23] <jbailey> Not an apprentice anymore, though. =)
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> then your better then me :) 
[05:23] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, the instructions on the wiki refer to downloading the "trunk" which is our normal working copy
[05:23] <mdke> however they dont include some changes which we made to the breezy branch after we branched it off
[05:23] <mdke> hope this clarifies things
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hi jbailey
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> sort of mdke. what would be different in what i have from svn (from the wiki) and the branch? do i have to do something special to get it?
[05:24] <jbailey> Kinnison: Hey darlin'
[05:24] <jsgotangco> hi Kinnison
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> jbailey: the reason i ask -> grep ^.+ testfile <- isnt doing what i thought it did (list every line with characters in it)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> mdke: got to talk to sabdfl a few hours ago, said he's gonna start writing too
[05:38] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, you can check out the breezy branch by substituting "trunk" with "branches/breezy"
[05:38] <mdke> jsgotangco, cool
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: thanks. ill try it
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: will the breezy branch be as large as trunk?
[05:39] <mdke> yep
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok. could i download it over the top of trunk? i asume i can?
[05:40] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, either delete trunk or download it to another location
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. thanks
[05:40] <mdke> ok jbailey, ping?
[05:42] <jbailey> This client really sucks.  It doesn't highlight on jbailey,
[05:42] <mdke> heh
[05:42] <jbailey> I wonder how many, I miss...
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[05:42] <mdke> jbailey, got a moment, i'll show you what I mean with that faqguide translation stuff
[05:43] <Kinnison> jbailey: what client?
[05:48] <mdke> jbailey, yeah cool I can fix it
[05:53] <jbailey> Kinnison: irssi-text
[05:53] <jbailey> mdke: Sure, sorry.  Got lagged trying to make my laptop boot
[05:53] <mdke> heh
[05:54] <Kinnison> jdub: Odd, mine works fine
[05:54] <mdke> jbailey, i have fixed de and sr
[05:54] <Kinnison> urgh
[05:54] <Kinnison> I can type
[05:54] <Kinnison> jbailey: odd, mine works fine
[05:54] <jbailey> mdke: Ooo, what did it take?
[05:54] <jbailey> Kinnison, hmm
[05:54] <jbailey> jbailey, hmm
[05:54] <mdke> removing some duplicate strings
[05:54] <Kinnison> jbailey: shiny?
[05:55] <mdke> jbailey, if you want to see a simple example: svn up in faqguide/de then run "xml2po -e -p de.po ../C/faqguide.xml > faqguide.xml
[05:55] <mdke> i'll upload the fixes in a moment
[05:55] <jbailey> mdke: So who's broken.  The translator, rosetta, or poxml? =)
[05:55] <mdke> jbailey, rosetta I think
[05:55] <mdke> heh
[05:56] <mdke> possibly xml2po tho
[06:01] <jsgotangco> the translatations seem to be truncated?
[06:03] <mdke> no
[06:03] <mdke> there are some duplicate msgid's
[06:03] <mdke> caused by merges in rosetta
[06:03] <mdke> that stop xml2po
[06:04] <jsgotangco> right
[06:04] <mdke> ok i've fixed pt, de and sr
[06:04] <mdke> ro has major issues
[06:05] <jsgotangco> ugghhh
[06:05] <jsgotangco> wish i could help but translations are way out of my league
[06:05] <jsgotangco> unless you just want me to edit/delete the extras?
[06:06] <jbailey> jsgotangco: What, you don't speak Romanian? =)
[06:06] <mdke> heh
[06:06] <jsgotangco> Pri Ubuntu
[06:06] <mdke> i'll need to bash jordi and dand's heads together to figure it out
[06:07] <mdke> anyhow jbailey, the fixes are uploaded for those 3 languages
[06:07] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i've been improving in esperanto though
[06:10] <jbailey> mdke: Nice, thanks.
[06:26] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> ping? anyone about? how big is the doc team?
[06:34] <mdke> not very
[06:34] <mdke> participation varies
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> so would it be this room +50%? or is it *very* dynamic in participation
[06:35] <mdke> very
[06:35] <mdke> you can't put a number on it
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. was just wondering. thanks :)
[06:36] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc is not a bad start though
[06:36] <mdke> plus jbailey 
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i should re create my wiki account. my name isnt set up for a wikiname :/
[06:37] <mdke> i have two wikinames
[06:38] <mdke> i rock
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. showoff :P
[06:38] <mdke> they are the same though
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> whew. finished the 'unnoffial' quick guide
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> only things i skipped were CC and GNU FDL :|
[07:13] <jordi> mdke: hey. I'm here now.
[07:18] <jordi> mdke: ping
[07:18] <jordi> mdke: I don't have ro.po
[07:44] <mdke> jordi, hi
[07:44] <mdke> jordi, seems the ro issue is already known and reported
[07:44] <mdke> jordi, any idea about the de/sr/pt issues?
[07:52] <jordi> these fucking spammers are getting on my nerves today
[07:53] <jordi> In your mail:
[07:53] <jordi> In the above file for example, the offending part of the de.po was:
[07:53] <jordi> #: faqguide.xml:212(para)
[07:53] <jordi> #~ msgid ""
[07:53] <jordi> #~ "Internal references will look like this: <xref linkend=\"sect- "
[07:53] <jordi> #~ "acknowledgments\"/>.The numeral contained within square braces is
[07:53] <jordi> the [page "
[07:53] <jordi> #~ "number] ."
[07:53] <jordi> but I don't see this in de.po?
[07:54] <jordi> and the file compiles ok
[07:54] <jordi> or are these files corrected by you and you want me to upload?
[07:55] <mdke> jordi, that is correct
[07:55] <mdke> which spammers?
[07:59] <jordi> in general :)
[07:59] <jordi> they think I'm ill and need medicines.
[08:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:00] <mdke> jordi, ah, ok. i saw that bug carlos posted. If you upload the corrected files I sent you, will it help?
[08:03] <Kinnison> ciao
[08:03] <mdke> hello/bye
[08:03] <Kinnison> bye :-)
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke: i just got the branch/breezy doco arm. its 30M smaller hten the trunk . could that be right?
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[08:04] <mdke> yes
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice. so i have both :D up to date :D
[08:05] <mdke> cool
[08:06] <mdke> we will merge the changes back across to trunk at some stage
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> so i should be looking at breezy to see whats got bugs or not?
[08:06] <jordi> mdke: I have no clue. Are there any changes in the file besides removing those obsolete strings?
[08:06] <mdke> Kamping_Kaiser, not really, since we can't fix them for breezy anyhow
[08:06] <mdke> jordi, no, none
[08:07] <jordi> mdke: you can upload them, can you?
[08:07] <mdke> jordi, i thought it was limited to translation teams only, but I can try
[08:08] <jordi> mdke: if you're the po owner (you are, right?), you should be able to do a "published upload"
[08:08] <mdke> jordi, boh :) I can upload the pot template, but I have never tried uploading a cc.po before
[08:08] <mdke> jordi, will any changes that have been done since the po file was downloaded be lost?
[08:09] <jordi> just go to the de directory inside the potemplate, and you'll see an "upload file" link.
[08:09] <mdke> k
[08:09] <jordi> mdke: I think so; nto entirely sure
[08:10] <jordi> actually no, rosetta data should take precedence
[08:11] <mdke> fingers crossed then
[08:11] <mdke> i'll try later
[08:11] <jordi> I can find out for sure :)
[08:11] <mdke> okay i'll check here before i do it then
[08:11] <mdke> dinner now
[08:11] <jsgotangco> dinner?
[08:11] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:11] <jsgotangco> its already 2am here
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 am? inda or somewhere like that 
[08:18] <jordi> mdke: you'll be safe; read #lp
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all. 4am is a healthy time to crash imo :D
[08:41] <mdke> jordi, i don't have permission to upload
[08:42] <jordi> mdke: how do you do template updates?
[08:42] <mdke> i upload them ok
[08:42] <jordi> mdke: don't worry. I'll handle.
[08:42] <mdke> jordi, merci
[08:42] <mdke> i tried at this page:
[08:42] <jordi> so I just have to add those three files you emailed?
[08:42] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/de/+upload
[08:42] <jordi> what url exactly
[08:42] <jordi> ?
[08:43] <mdke> jordi, yeah those files I emailed
[08:43] <jordi> that gave you perm denied?
[08:43] <mdke> yep
[08:43] <jordi> maybe it's only for the german translators and admins then.
[08:46] <mdke> i think so
[10:05] <jordi> mdke: ping
[10:06] <mdke> jordi, hi
[10:13] <jordi> mdke: false alarm
[10:13] <jordi> I didn't find your email.
[10:13] <jordi> I think everything is good now.
[10:13] <mdke> thanks
[11:42] <jbailey> Eh.  Why are the DTDs at the top of ccbysa.xml and friends commmented out?