=== dand [n=dand@83.103.205.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:43] jbailey, around? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:16] there's a docteam mtg at 1400Z, right? [06:18] yep according to the schedule === thechitowncubs [n=thechito@c-67-175-52-127.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:19] ack... 0700 our time... am *not* a morning person... ;) [06:19] Hey everyone [06:19] anyone here? [06:19] [[TableOfContents([maxdepth] )] ] [06:20] What would be an example of maxdepth [06:20] I'm trying to change this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultimediaApplications [06:20] the crowd waves at thechitowncubs :) [06:20] but I can't seem to get the table to record my maxdepth option [06:20] wiki markup... blarg... [06:20] MadpilotPPC, yeah 7am is a bad time for me. Maybe tomorrow will be better since there is no school on friday due to that teacher strike.... [06:21] 11:21 pm here [06:21] I want to fix this one thing before I go to bed. [06:21] It's been bugging me for a long time... [06:21] anyone have any ideas? [06:22] thechitowncubs, I see what you mean; that's an ugly ToC [06:22] HEH [06:23] I'm trying to limit it to the app name [06:23] what happens if you bump some of the subtitles down to just being bold, rather than being actual headers [06:24] that's an option, i'd rather use the maxdepth option, seems to be easy [06:24] ... only if it works... [06:24] Ah, fixed. [06:24] had to remove [] === jsg_ [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:51] jbailey, for when you get up, PM for ya === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:03] jsgotangco, I'm not too late to look at the release notes? 24 hours later, I'm finally free to look at them :) [09:04] robitaille, zone out, its very much open season at the moment [09:35] jsgotangco, in the credit section, we have "contributors" for all the section, even the ones with only one guy listed. Should I change them, or we are expected more names everywhere? [09:35] credit? [09:36] in the release notes, at the end there is a credit section [09:37] what are you looking at === jsgotangco is sure he didn't put any credits [09:38] gnome/releasenotes/C/release-notes.xml [09:38] humm.. I guess I was reading the wrong one :) [09:38] nooo [09:38] breezy-release-notes.xml [09:42] now I'm lost. so it's not on the svn repo? [09:42] but only at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/gnome/releasenotes/C/breezy-release-notes.xml [09:45] it is [09:45] that's the one [09:49] ok I got it now.. I was a bit dense tonight... maybe a sign that it is bed time soon :) [09:50] heh [09:50] the doc is almost done though just a few more things to add === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:57] is "regulary" a word? :) (in the first line of what's new) [09:58] hi [10:14] jsgotangco, I'm going to bed. The only 2 things in the breezy-release notes I noticed were that "regulary" typo in the what's new section, and section 2.4 is missing the actual installation instructions. But I'm guessing the instructions are still to come [10:14] robitaille, just the mandatory press enter or type server or oem thing [10:16] jsgotangco, how about inserting the CD first :) [10:16] lol [10:16] yeah [10:17] i'll work on it tonight then send to list for reviews [10:17] sounds good. good night [10:42] is it worth having a meeting today? [10:43] at oh-God-hundred hours? [10:44] yar [10:44] I'm not going to make it, I'm afraid... [10:44] I noticed the agenda page hasn't been updated, because theres really not much to talk about at the moment [10:45] 1400Z = 0700 local, it's currently 0130 local, I'm four beer down and I work at 0900. 0700 meetings are right out for me... ;) [10:45] the meeting is at midnight friday here === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:58] rob^, lol [10:58] :) [10:59] we made the meeting at 14:00 for our special friend the aussies [10:59] such as me [10:59] (friday as well) [10:59] but the canucks doesn't seem to favor it at all [10:59] rob^, we need to rebuild [10:59] 1400 doesn't bother me, friday is good though [10:59] we're the only active writers atm [10:59] yeah ;( [10:59] along with jjesse [11:00] maybe we need to make it easier for people to help [11:00] I noticed the odd person offering help on the list [11:00] odd? [11:00] we'll get creamed in dapper if we don't get our act together [11:00] odd, as in occasional [11:01] au english *grr* [11:01] aussie enlglish [11:01] heh [11:01] english [11:01] I was tempted to do an aussie slang translation of the faq guide but didn't get time :) [11:02] English is a wonderful language, but it's not actually spoken in England and everyone thinks their version is the "proper" version... ;) [11:02] rob^, what is your vision of doc work in dapper [11:02] rob^, I've been kicking around the idea of a .ca slang one, in time for UBZ, as a joke... ;) [11:03] MadpilotPPC, are you doing an all-nighter? [11:03] well for one thing I think it would be easier to discuss at ubz in person [11:03] jsgotangco, no, I'm off to bed very, very soon, it's just on 0200 here [11:03] but I can't swim that far :P [11:04] same here i could probably swim to your place though if i start this weekend [11:04] heh you and I would be the docteam meeting [11:05] rob^, MadpilotPPC we still need a plan though [11:05] umm well now that we have an faq it won't take much to update it come dapper [11:06] I think we should now work on getting the user guide up to scratch [11:06] are you really satisfied with the faq atm [11:06] well about as satisfied as I can be [11:07] given the time restraint [11:08] I'd like to have the kubuntu one done too [11:09] I think we can still have a cost effective faq, but there are two or three pages that need to be separate for Ubuntu and Kubuntu [11:11] I do think these string freezes are bad for keeping the docteam together though [11:11] string freeze ain't bad what's bad is that no one's writing [11:12] I think its because no one really can at the moment [11:12] before breezy is released there is no point trying to document an os that doesn't yet exist [11:12] as it was several late changed had to go through for the faq guide [11:13] i disagree we have rolling milestones [11:13] changes* [11:13] maybe, but how can one write a faq guide or userguide about dapper at the moment? [11:14] like i said we have rolling milestones [11:14] oh you can't atm really [11:14] but you know have your breezy [11:14] likelyhood is that not much will happen until after ubz, when plans have been put into place for dapper [11:14] rob^, oh no writing actually happens even after ubz [11:14] but it doesn't mean you won't plan [11:15] I'm talking real work though [11:15] a week or two after ubz dapper uploads will happen [11:15] jsgotangco, yes thats what I meant [11:18] I think one thing that would help is being able to upload new ubuntu-docs updatesafter release [11:19] yes that's what me and jbailey have talked about [11:19] making sure docs are uplodaed for every milestone [11:19] even if its just WIP [11:19] yes, thats a good start, one that I agree with [11:20] its a pitty we cant have things translated after Ubuntu/Kubuntu release though === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp210-102.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.45.254] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.45.254] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.235.109] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:14] mdke: I could only wish it were PM when I woke up ;) === Kamping_Kaise1 [n=Karl@ppp210-102.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Karl@ppp210-102.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kkasina [n=ken@62.56.250.78] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-178.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:21] does anyone know how big the doc svn repo is? [03:21] iv downloaded what feels like a lot of stuff for doco :) === Kamping_Kaiser phears teh svn update - over 130MB :O and going strong [04:57] hm. 197M of doco. nice effort ppl :O === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-247.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:07] gahhh i totally forgot about 1400 [05:10] err anyone awake? [05:11] yeh, but whats 1400 :? [05:11] i got caught in a huge traffic jam and it was raining so hard [05:11] the main streets were flooded [05:11] nice effort :O [05:11] Kamping_Kaiser: supposed to be docteam meeting (regular) [05:11] oh. now? [05:11] Kamping_Kaiser: i was literally driving for 3 hours on floods [05:12] and my little car was my hero of the day [05:12] awsome :D [05:12] i shouldht have gone to the pub [05:12] we just got drizzel here ;) [05:12] i have to start sifting bugzilla to see which of my 'bugs' have/havent been dealt with [05:13] ahhh [05:13] and i havent finished tearing breezys help apart yet, so ill be in bugzilla for a long time :( [05:13] then i have to deal with tehm :S [05:14] heh what is there to tear apart [05:14] jsgotangco: are you any good with regex? [05:14] no [05:14] hm. ok. ill keep poking grep then :( [05:15] jbailey is your daddy [05:15] re bugs, im going through the 'unnoffical guide' one page at a time trying to find errors, since its fairly important if it does end up going into breezy+1 (which iirc was in question?) [05:16] Kamping_Kaiser: yes [05:16] we'd like to build on it in the future [05:16] its nice you've looked ahead [05:16] Kamping_Kaiser, pls note that in the docteam repo, "trunk" is out of date, the breezy stuff is to be found in branches/breezy [05:16] hey mdke [05:17] mdke: sorry for the death of our meeting, i got caught in a very bad traffic jam [05:17] mdke: i just finished the svn update, i havent had much chance to realy look at it, but thanks for the heads up [05:20] jsgotangco: Eh? =) [05:21] jbailey: your good with regex? [05:23] Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not a master, no. [05:23] jsgotangco, i couldn't make it either mate [05:23] Not an apprentice anymore, though. =) [05:23] then your better then me :) [05:23] Kamping_Kaiser, the instructions on the wiki refer to downloading the "trunk" which is our normal working copy [05:23] however they dont include some changes which we made to the breezy branch after we branched it off [05:23] hope this clarifies things [05:24] hi jbailey === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:24] sort of mdke. what would be different in what i have from svn (from the wiki) and the branch? do i have to do something special to get it? [05:24] Kinnison: Hey darlin' [05:24] hi Kinnison [05:25] jbailey: the reason i ask -> grep ^.+ testfile <- isnt doing what i thought it did (list every line with characters in it) [05:29] mdke: got to talk to sabdfl a few hours ago, said he's gonna start writing too [05:38] Kamping_Kaiser, you can check out the breezy branch by substituting "trunk" with "branches/breezy" [05:38] jsgotangco, cool [05:38] mdke: thanks. ill try it [05:39] mdke: will the breezy branch be as large as trunk? [05:39] yep === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:39] hm. ok. could i download it over the top of trunk? i asume i can? [05:40] Kamping_Kaiser, either delete trunk or download it to another location === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [05:40] ok. thanks [05:40] ok jbailey, ping? [05:42] This client really sucks. It doesn't highlight on jbailey, [05:42] heh [05:42] I wonder how many, I miss... [05:42] heh [05:42] jbailey, got a moment, i'll show you what I mean with that faqguide translation stuff [05:43] jbailey: what client? [05:48] jbailey, yeah cool I can fix it [05:53] Kinnison: irssi-text [05:53] mdke: Sure, sorry. Got lagged trying to make my laptop boot [05:53] heh [05:54] jdub: Odd, mine works fine [05:54] jbailey, i have fixed de and sr [05:54] urgh [05:54] I can type [05:54] jbailey: odd, mine works fine [05:54] mdke: Ooo, what did it take? [05:54] Kinnison, hmm [05:54] jbailey, hmm [05:54] removing some duplicate strings [05:54] jbailey: shiny? [05:55] jbailey, if you want to see a simple example: svn up in faqguide/de then run "xml2po -e -p de.po ../C/faqguide.xml > faqguide.xml [05:55] i'll upload the fixes in a moment [05:55] mdke: So who's broken. The translator, rosetta, or poxml? =) [05:55] jbailey, rosetta I think === jbailey does the summon jordi dance [05:55] heh [05:56] possibly xml2po tho [06:01] the translatations seem to be truncated? [06:03] no [06:03] there are some duplicate msgid's [06:03] caused by merges in rosetta [06:03] that stop xml2po [06:04] right [06:04] ok i've fixed pt, de and sr [06:04] ro has major issues [06:05] ugghhh [06:05] wish i could help but translations are way out of my league [06:05] unless you just want me to edit/delete the extras? [06:06] jsgotangco: What, you don't speak Romanian? =) [06:06] heh [06:06] Pri Ubuntu [06:06] i'll need to bash jordi and dand's heads together to figure it out [06:07] anyhow jbailey, the fixes are uploaded for those 3 languages [06:07] jbailey: i've been improving in esperanto though [06:10] mdke: Nice, thanks. [06:26] good night [06:32] ping? anyone about? how big is the doc team? [06:34] not very [06:34] participation varies [06:34] so would it be this room +50%? or is it *very* dynamic in participation [06:35] very [06:35] you can't put a number on it [06:36] ok. was just wondering. thanks :) [06:36] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc is not a bad start though [06:36] plus jbailey [06:37] hm. i should re create my wiki account. my name isnt set up for a wikiname :/ [06:37] i have two wikinames [06:38] i rock [06:38] lol. showoff :P [06:38] they are the same though [07:05] whew. finished the 'unnoffial' quick guide [07:05] only things i skipped were CC and GNU FDL :| === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:13] mdke: hey. I'm here now. [07:18] mdke: ping [07:18] mdke: I don't have ro.po [07:44] jordi, hi [07:44] jordi, seems the ro issue is already known and reported [07:44] jordi, any idea about the de/sr/pt issues? [07:52] these fucking spammers are getting on my nerves today [07:53] In your mail: [07:53] In the above file for example, the offending part of the de.po was: [07:53] #: faqguide.xml:212(para) [07:53] #~ msgid "" [07:53] #~ "Internal references will look like this: #~ "acknowledgments\"/>.The numeral contained within square braces is [07:53] the [page " [07:53] #~ "number] ." [07:53] but I don't see this in de.po? [07:54] and the file compiles ok [07:54] or are these files corrected by you and you want me to upload? [07:55] jordi, that is correct [07:55] which spammers? [07:59] in general :) [07:59] they think I'm ill and need medicines. [08:00] lol [08:00] jordi, ah, ok. i saw that bug carlos posted. If you upload the corrected files I sent you, will it help? [08:03] ciao [08:03] hello/bye [08:03] bye :-) [08:04] mdke: i just got the branch/breezy doco arm. its 30M smaller hten the trunk . could that be right? [08:04] later mate :) [08:04] yes [08:05] nice. so i have both :D up to date :D [08:05] cool [08:06] we will merge the changes back across to trunk at some stage [08:06] so i should be looking at breezy to see whats got bugs or not? [08:06] mdke: I have no clue. Are there any changes in the file besides removing those obsolete strings? [08:06] Kamping_Kaiser, not really, since we can't fix them for breezy anyhow [08:06] jordi, no, none [08:07] mdke: you can upload them, can you? [08:07] jordi, i thought it was limited to translation teams only, but I can try [08:08] mdke: if you're the po owner (you are, right?), you should be able to do a "published upload" === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-247.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:08] jordi, boh :) I can upload the pot template, but I have never tried uploading a cc.po before [08:08] jordi, will any changes that have been done since the po file was downloaded be lost? [08:09] just go to the de directory inside the potemplate, and you'll see an "upload file" link. [08:09] k [08:09] mdke: I think so; nto entirely sure [08:10] actually no, rosetta data should take precedence [08:11] fingers crossed then [08:11] i'll try later [08:11] I can find out for sure :) [08:11] okay i'll check here before i do it then [08:11] dinner now [08:11] dinner? [08:11] wow [08:11] its already 2am here [08:18] 2 am? inda or somewhere like that [08:18] mdke: you'll be safe; read #lp [08:23] night all. 4am is a healthy time to crash imo :D === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-247.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === anbu [n=anbu@nat1.sp.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] jordi, i don't have permission to upload [08:42] mdke: how do you do template updates? [08:42] i upload them ok [08:42] mdke: don't worry. I'll handle. [08:42] jordi, merci [08:42] i tried at this page: [08:42] so I just have to add those three files you emailed? [08:42] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+pots/faqguide/de/+upload [08:42] what url exactly [08:42] ? [08:43] jordi, yeah those files I emailed [08:43] that gave you perm denied? [08:43] yep [08:43] maybe it's only for the german translators and admins then. [08:46] i think so === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:05] mdke: ping [10:06] jordi, hi [10:13] mdke: false alarm [10:13] I didn't find your email. [10:13] I think everything is good now. [10:13] thanks === n1c0las [n=niklas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:42] Eh. Why are the DTDs at the top of ccbysa.xml and friends commmented out? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc