[02:43] <zul> heylo
[02:51] <jbailey> Zoool
[02:58] <zul> the only one..
[03:00] <jbailey> How's things in Ottawa-land?
[03:00] <zul> good...rainy though
[03:00] <jbailey> Same here.
[03:00] <jbailey> I think Montral and Ottawa share weather patterns
[03:00] <zul> im going to the season opener at the corel center tomorrow...wohoo
[03:00] <zul> yeah
[03:00] <jbailey> Err.
[03:00] <zul> its cold as well
[03:00] <jbailey> I'm assuming you don't mean that they close the Corel Centre for the summmer..
[03:01] <zul> no its open for concerts and stuff and they have a couple of restraunts and a ymca or something
[03:01] <jbailey> Ah.  What will they be showing tomorrow?
[03:02] <zul> senators vs sabres
[03:03] <jbailey> Sounds like names of Sports teams.  Which sport?
[03:03] <zul> hockey
[03:03] <jbailey> Oh cool!  Have they stopped being on strike now?
[03:04] <jbailey> I saw a hockey game on TV the other night, but I wasn't sure if it was more overseas stuff.
[03:04] <zul> yeah they stopped a couple of months ago season just started on wednesday
[03:04] <zul> my productivity goes way down now ;)
[03:04] <jbailey> Nice.
[03:05] <jbailey> Although I can see taking a year off being good for the soul.
[03:05] <jbailey> So good on 'em for taking a sebaticle =)
[03:05] <zul> yeah they can live like normal people for once without their money
[03:23] <jbailey> If they didn't have enough saved up and invested to live off the residuals, then its their own problem.
[04:55] <jbailey> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[04:55] <jbailey> (for zul)
[05:44] <zul> heh...thanks
[06:59] <zul> hey johnm 
[07:01] <fabbione> yo
[07:02] <BenC> hey fab
[07:02] <fabbione> hey BenC 
[07:03] <fabbione> BenC: did you finish your movement?
[07:03] <fabbione> we could seriously make use of your e3k now
[07:03] <fabbione> given that davem just fixed oo2 for us
[07:03] <BenC> yeah, but no internet at the new house yet
[07:03] <fabbione> ah
[07:03] <fabbione> ETA?
[07:03] <BenC> next week
[07:04] <fabbione> *sighs*
[07:04] <BenC> I had to get satellite internet
[07:04] <BenC> the cable company pretty much fed me full of shit, and then wanted to quote me $28,000 to get cable run to my house (4900 feet of cable at $7/foot)
[07:05] <fabbione> doh
[07:05] <fabbione> are they nuts?
[07:05] <BenC> not sure, but I accused of being nuts :)
[07:05] <fabbione> ok
[07:05] <fabbione> we are really on the edge right now.. timewise
[07:05] <BenC> not even sure why they would bother quoting me that at all
[07:05] <fabbione> and people keep uploading tons of pkgs for main
[07:06] <fabbione> anyway davem is running breezy on a couple of his sparcs..
[07:07] <fabbione> he seems pretty happy with it
[07:07] <fabbione> modulo firefox crashing
[07:08] <jbailey> BenC: Sattelite internet pretty much makes using your sparcs unlikely. =)
[07:09] <jbailey> Or doing anything interactice over that link, really...
[07:10] <\sh> BenC: up+downstream over sat, or only downstream?
[07:15] <BenC> both
[07:16] <BenC> they have a 2Mbs down, 1Mbs up package
[07:16] <BenC> yeah, the latency is bad, but it should be ok
[07:17] <\sh> BenC: nice :) ok..forget the 512ms latency..in 1997 we did some experiments with internet over sat as backup lines for ISPs in germany
[07:18] <BenC> I had sat internet a few years ago, but it was only 64k up, so I'm hoping this will be a little better
[07:21] <\sh> BenC: at this time it was quite expensive 30k DM installation costs (sat dish 4.50m diameter and some other special german goverment stuff) and the line itself was 3mbit down + 1mbit up and was 10k DM per month
[07:21] <BenC> plus the hardware they have now is stand-alone and acts as a router
[07:21] <BenC> so I don't need to have win98 running my LAN and reboot it every 3 hours
[07:22] <fabbione> ehehe
[07:23] <BenC> IIRC, they use hughes equipment now, which would mean that the router is a linux based system
[07:24] <johnm> 'lo all
[07:24] <johnm> zul: hi
[07:24] <BenC> hey johnm
[07:24] <johnm> Just got home, so it's a bit belated.
[07:25] <johnm> BenC: whats the possibility of long-haul wireless?
[07:25] <johnm> BenC: 3.4Ghz or even microwave?
[07:26] <fabbione> they are expensive
[07:26] <johnm> I worked for the Teleco, and now for the competing ISP.
[07:26] <fabbione> i am happy with my 6Mb adsl
[07:26] <fabbione> :)
[07:26] <johnm> We have a license for this stuff, so i tend to enhoy 25mbit or so just for me :)
[07:27] <johnm> Not many places im the UK are dealing with ADSL2+ yes
[07:27] <fabbione> ehhe not too bad
[07:27] <johnm> in*
[07:27] <fabbione> i hope we will get fibers soon here..
[07:27] <johnm> yet*
[07:27] <fabbione> at least that's the plan for the block
[07:27] <johnm> where is here? :)
[07:27] <mkrufky> is this a new technology?  i havent heard of 2.4 Ghz wifi band
[07:27] <johnm> 3.4?
[07:27] <fabbione> johnm: dk.
[07:27] <mkrufky> oops.. thats what i meant
[07:27] <johnm> fabbione: ah.. nice.
[07:27] <mkrufky> of course we all know 2.4Ghz
[07:27] <fabbione> yup..
[07:27] <johnm> mkrufky: it's not new. but it's not very common
[07:27] <fabbione> up to 100Mb
[07:27] <fabbione> fiber
[07:28] <johnm> fabbione: would be nice. That would be cheap kit im sure :\
[07:28] <mkrufky> johnm:  wow... very interesting... does it have a name?
[07:28] <fabbione> johnm: it is cheap :)
[07:28] <johnm> fabbione: always a good thing for consumers
[07:28] <johnm> mkrufky: Not particular. it's all ATM stuff ostly. Check out Cambridge Broadband
[07:29] <fabbione> yeah
[07:29] <mkrufky> ah, ok
[07:30] <johnm> :(
[07:30] <johnm> email is such a burden!
[07:31] <johnm> not sure what anyone else is like.. would be interesting to know, but I get about 700 mails a day (roughly). Out of that 45% is legitimate mail. Out of that there are about 30% which I can safely ignore.
[07:31] <johnm> Seems to take forever!
[07:31] <fabbione> eheh
[07:31] <fabbione> 700 emails is NOTHING
[07:32] <johnm> Are you including or excluding LKML+friends? :)
[07:32] <fabbione> run amavis-ng or something..
[07:32] <johnm> yeah, I considered that.
[07:32] <fabbione> i am not subbed to LKML anymore
[07:32] <johnm> I do have it on my server, but my server is dead until I setup sticks somewhere else.
[07:32] <fabbione> between friends, mailing list and no LKML i get around 3K emails/day already filtered
[07:32] <johnm> So everything right now is clientside, except for procmail serverside.
[07:33] <johnm> Thats a little more than me :)
[07:33] <fabbione> last week it went down to a 1K or so
[07:33] <mkrufky> i have about the same
[07:33] <johnm> I think im about 2k give or take a few hundred with lists.
[07:33] <BenC> johnm: not likely around where I am, I looked into long range wireless about a year ago, and there's just no one around to do it
[07:33] <mkrufky> i just tell my friends to call me
[07:33] <fabbione> given that i unsubbed from almost all debian mailing list
[07:33] <johnm> BenC: shame :(
[07:37] <johnm> anyone else fed up of seeing the cmdline !> 256 bug/patch :(
[09:03] <zul> i use smoke signals
[09:10] <mkrufky> zul: not easy to send kernel patches using smoke signals
[09:20] <zul> mkrufky: hmm...or carrier pigeons
[09:22] <jbailey> At least avian carriers have a standard...
[09:27] <zul> true
[10:15] <mkrufky> think of all those poor carrier pigeons risking their lives for LKML
[10:30] <zul> you know there are some flaming carrier pigeons as well ;)
[10:30] <zul> anyways im heading home
[10:31] <zul> later