| Kyral | Got lintain down to one error | 12:02 |
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| Kyral | native-package-with-dash-version | 12:03 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: what package was it again? | 12:03 |
| Kyral | fortune-mod-futurama | 12:03 |
| Kyral | I haven't uploaded these changes yet :P | 12:03 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: i think i know the reason for this error ;) | 12:03 |
| Kyral | yes? | 12:04 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: just glancing at the debian-policy, so i don't tell you wrong stuff ;) | 12:05 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:05 |
| === sistpoty always gets it wrong with version numbers btw | ||
| Kyral | lol | 12:06 |
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| sistpoty | Kyral: use 0.2ubuntu1 as your version in changelog file... that should fix the lintian complaints | 12:07 |
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| Kyral | lintian is clean, now to check with linda | 12:09 |
| Kyral | which is also clean | 12:09 |
| sistpoty | good work ;) | 12:10 |
| Kyral | and uploaded to REVU | 12:10 |
| Kyral | wait a sec | 12:11 |
| Kyral | okay it passed linda on my system | 12:11 |
| Kyral | but the REVU one is spitting out an error | 12:12 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: you can ignore this... linda on revu-server is outdated ;) | 12:13 |
| Kyral | okay | 12:13 |
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| Kyral | okay | 12:14 |
| Kyral | so all it needs is someone to advocate it | 12:14 |
| sistpoty | yes, two motus need to advocate on this (as it is a new package), and then one motu to upload ;) | 12:15 |
| Kyral | hehe | 12:15 |
| Kyral | Its a small package so it should be easy to get sponsored | 12:17 |
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| Kyral | Is there a Meta-Pack for the boost libs? And would anyone be objected to one? | 12:19 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: what do you mean with meta-pack? (virtual package?) | 12:19 |
| Kyral | yah, something that just installs all of them instead of having to do it one at a time | 12:20 |
| Kyral | think kubuntu/ubuntu-desktop | 12:20 |
| sistpoty | hm... libboost-dev pretty much should do the job? | 12:22 |
| Kyral | it doesn't | 12:22 |
| Kyral | I should I know I installed it today and it didn't pull them in | 12:22 |
| Kyral | it only reccommends them | 12:22 |
| sistpoty | did you install with apt-get or aptitude? | 12:23 |
| sistpoty | or s.th. else? | 12:23 |
| Kyral | aptitude and apt | 12:23 |
| Kyral | err, its SUGGESTS, not recommends | 12:23 |
| Kyral | and somehow Apt-Get started acting like Aptitude... | 12:24 |
| dholbach | why is g++-4.0 in http://popcon.ubuntu.com/universe/by_inst ? | 12:25 |
| dholbach | **ARG**ARG**ARG** | 12:25 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: sorry, don't know much about libboost-deps, maybe there is some reason for the recommends only. | 12:25 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: but as long as there is one "meta-package" i don't think a virtual package or similar will be needed | 12:26 |
| sistpoty | suggests even ;) | 12:26 |
| Kyral | and aptitude seems to always force a long prelink.. | 12:26 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: why shouldn't it be there? (some popcon magic?) | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: universe.? | 12:27 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: good point ;) | 12:28 |
| Kyral | I don't think libboost-dev is a meta-package.. | 12:29 |
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| sistpoty | Kyral: no it isn't (afaik)... that's why i used quotes ;) | 12:31 |
| Kyral | ah | 12:31 |
| Sepheebear | hey MOTUs, im using cdbs and everytime i build a package, im left with files a bunch of extra files in the debian directory | 12:33 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: have you tried your fortunes-package in pbuilder? | 12:33 |
| Sepheebear | how do i get rid of them? | 12:33 |
| Kyral | sistpoty, no | 12:33 |
| Kyral | Sepheebear, debuild clean | 12:33 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: maybe you should... PBuilderHowto should be the wiki for instructions on pbuilder | 12:33 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/fortune-mod-futurama-0510061810/fortune-mod-futurama_0.2ubuntu1.buildlog | 12:33 |
| Sepheebear | Kyral: do i run that or is cdbs supposed to do thatfor me? | 12:34 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: but this may be related to some problem with revu-build as well | 12:34 |
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| Kyral | Sepheebear, I dunno I don't use CDBS | 12:34 |
| Kyral | sistpoty, I think the problem is that debhelper listed itself in the build-depends... | 12:34 |
| Kyral | what effect would it have if I removed it? | 12:36 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: no, debhelper must be there if you use dh_* commands in rules... otherwise it will FTBFS | 12:37 |
| Kyral | okay | 12:37 |
| Kyral | the only thing I see is that I forgot that there is no CLEAN in the makefile | 12:37 |
| Kyral | okay, got rid of the clean parts in the rules | 12:40 |
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| sistpoty | Kyral: the clean is not the problem | 12:42 |
| Kyral | eh? | 12:42 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: your install target in rules does too few things ;) | 12:43 |
| === Kyral scratches his head | ||
| Kyral | eh? | 12:43 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: you are missing dh_gencontrol, dh_md5sum, dh_builddeb | 12:46 |
| Kyral | I didn't think I needed those | 12:46 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: iirc the rules file (when called with appropriate targets) must produce a package. if you want to know the details, they should be located in the debian-policy ;) | 12:47 |
| === ajmitch needs to 'educate' Lathiat, a bug was in state accepted because I hadn't finished working on it :P | ||
| Kyral | sistpoty, ah okay | 12:50 |
| Kyral | fixed | 12:51 |
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| Kyral | wait...why did that make another error? | 12:51 |
| sistpoty | ? | 12:52 |
| Kyral | E: fortune-mod-futurama source: debian-files-list-in-source | 12:52 |
| hubH | Kyral: what is that package? | 12:52 |
| tseng | sounds like fortunes from the cartoon futurama :) | 12:53 |
| Kyral | an addon for Fortune | 12:53 |
| hubH | ah | 12:53 |
| hubH | I should put that on my machine | 12:53 |
| hubH | hostname == bender :-) | 12:53 |
| Kyral | I was stupid I wiped out the dh_clean parts in rules | 12:53 |
| Kyral | okay that is done, should be the last upload | 12:54 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: have you tried it in pbuilder yet? | 12:55 |
| Kyral | I don't have a pbuilder setup | 12:55 |
| Kyral | I've been kinda busy with school... | 12:55 |
| tseng | you really need one if you intend to package | 12:55 |
| tseng | it takes about 20 minutes | 12:55 |
| tseng | 5 of real work | 12:56 |
| Kyral | fine...its just been a long day | 12:57 |
| sistpoty | Kyral: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto (maybe you need to s/hoary/breezy/) | 12:57 |
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| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS | 01:00 |
| dholbach | please read the "problems" section carefully | 01:01 |
| Kyral | okay....what does FTBFS mean... | 01:01 |
| dholbach | Kyral: apt-get install bsdgames; wtf ftbfs | 01:02 |
| Kyral | still doesn't mean anything | 01:02 |
| crimsun | hmm? ''wtf ftbfs'' will tell you | 01:03 |
| dholbach | Kyral: did you execute it? | 01:03 |
| Kyral | no | 01:03 |
| dholbach | ah well | 01:04 |
| Kyral | ah... | 01:04 |
| dholbach | :) | 01:04 |
| Kyral | fortune-mod-futurama doesn't have that problem. No source code in the first place ;P | 01:04 |
| crimsun | source refers to the .orig.tar.gz ;) | 01:05 |
| tseng | ftbfs means the source fails to produce a dpkg | 01:05 |
| Kyral | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 <<--So these don't build from source? | 01:05 |
| tseng | not nessecarily GCC bomb | 01:05 |
| Kyral | okaaay....sorry my mind is processing slowly tonight... | 01:08 |
| tseng | Lathiat: did you mail elmo re myththemes | 01:10 |
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| sistpoty | how evil is it to hack a configure to force use things like HAVE_SPRINTF (instead of fixing it?) | 01:13 |
| dholbach | so i guess we have something to do :) | 01:13 |
| === sistpoty is just working on xosview... apart from still pbuildering hat | ||
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| === Diablo-D3 flexes muscles. | ||
| === sistpoty casts some defensive spells | ||
| sistpoty | ;) | 01:26 |
| grayman | heh | 01:28 |
| tseng | ogra++ | 01:28 |
| ogra | :) | 01:28 |
| sistpoty | ogra++ from me as well ;) | 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ogra-- and ogra-- | 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | because karma sucks. | 01:28 |
| tseng | you can all go nuts | 01:28 |
| tseng | right here | 01:28 |
| grayman | lol | 01:28 |
| nuts | bah, taken already | 01:29 |
| tseng | i just installed rc on my laptop | 01:29 |
| tseng | its elite | 01:29 |
| grayman | how so? | 01:29 |
| tseng | zarro boogs | 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hate that | 01:29 |
| ogra | Diablo-D3, universe still has bugs, dont worry | 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, I meant the way that phrase is spelled | 01:30 |
| tseng | hm sid has xorg? | 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its so... so.... fucktarded. | 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | tseng: yup | 01:30 |
| tseng | it is upgrading me to 6.8.2 :) | 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, I think it does. | 01:30 |
| === dholbach gets cracking on UniverseFTBFS | ||
| tseng | dholbach: dude you need a script to find stuff that has been fixed since | 01:31 |
| tseng | i think there are way too many failures to validate | 01:31 |
| dholbach | i took the builds from september and october | 01:31 |
| ogra | dholbach, apt-get.org done ? :) | 01:31 |
| dholbach | sorry, if it causes grief | 01:31 |
| tseng | apt-get never done | 01:31 |
| dholbach | ogra: what sort of interrogation is this? :) | 01:32 |
| tseng | dholbach: ask him about edubuntu | 01:32 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: should we list packages we are touching somewhere? | 01:32 |
| tseng | dholbach: or screensavers | 01:32 |
| tseng | dholbach: REVENGE | 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/ardour/+bug/2924 | 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | re:a rdour bug | 01:32 |
| === ogra hides | ||
| dholbach | sistpoty: i just did a tiny note on them | 01:32 |
| crimsun | Diablo-D3: I'm working on it. | 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, hey crimsun | 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | be-in-every-channel-on-freenode much? | 01:33 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: maybe notes on each arch-page isn't a good idea? what about noting on UniverseFTBFS? | 01:33 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: that leaves the problem of cleaning-up-after-one-has-fixed-stuff | 01:34 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: but it's worth a try | 01:34 |
| sistpoty | ok... will you edit the page or shall i? | 01:34 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: go ahead :) | 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | crimsun: I'm guessing universe packages cant automatically add other universe packages? | 01:35 |
| crimsun | correct | 01:35 |
| grayman | how -that- works? | 01:36 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: it'd be great, if we'd get the top 25% fixed (or the stuff in there) | 01:36 |
| sistpoty | yep... i'm already working on it ;) | 01:36 |
| sistpoty | what is bold in wiki? | 01:36 |
| dholbach | '''BLA''' | 01:37 |
| sistpoty | ok, thx | 01:37 |
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| sistpoty | wiki updated... just a quick thing though ;) | 01:39 |
| bddebian | Heya gang, sistpoty | 01:39 |
| sistpoty | hi bddebian | 01:40 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian (god): there is much work todo: UniverseFTBFS (wiki) | 01:40 |
| slomo | hm | 01:42 |
| slomo | why are there binary packages listed on the FTBFS pages? wouldn't it be better to list the source packages? | 01:42 |
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| bddebian | sistpoty: Aye, I heard :-( | 01:45 |
| === sistpoty is hoping for a wonder | ||
| sistpoty | bddebian: now i know where i saw that stupid error from earlier that evening: xosview :( | 01:46 |
| dholbach | slomo: popcon has binary packages | 01:46 |
| slomo | dholbach: but this way we have many "duplicates" there :( | 01:47 |
| slomo | well, i'll fix gst-ffmpeg for ppc... | 01:47 |
| dholbach | slomo: i wanted to make it easier to concentrate on the top 20%-25% | 01:47 |
| bddebian | Who's gonna send me a PPC and amd64 machine?? ;-P | 01:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | bddebian is a false god! | 01:48 |
| sistpoty | hehe... some diabolic statements? :P | 01:49 |
| === bddebian never claimed to be a god :-) | ||
| === bddebian is an idiot | ||
| Diablo-D3 | that goes in my quote files. | 01:50 |
| === dholbach hugs bddebian | ||
| bddebian | Heh | 01:51 |
| sistpoty | <-- out for a cigarette | 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | in return, here is a quote | 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | <demoneyes> thanks to outsourcing, "too many chiefs and not enough indians" takes on all new meaning | 01:52 |
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| crimsun | Diablo-D3: ardour-gtk actually builds just fine, it just needs to be given back | 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | crimsun: english please? | 01:58 |
| crimsun | Diablo-D3: the buildds are doing something funky. | 01:58 |
| crimsun | it built just fine here on amd64 and i386 | 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh =( | 01:59 |
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| === Diablo-D3 ponders just building it himself then. | ||
| crimsun | lamont__: any possibility you could give-back ardour? It builds fine here on both i386 and amd64 yet fails on the buildds. | 02:00 |
| === Diablo-D3 tries to remember how to do that | ||
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| lamont__ | crimsun: not where I can do it for about another 3 hours... can you ping me when I'm back to being lamont? | 02:01 |
| crimsun | lamont__: yes, thanks. | 02:01 |
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| bddebian | Heya tritium, welcome to the "fun" :-) | 02:04 |
| tritium | hi bddebian. What's the fun? | 02:04 |
| bddebian | tritium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS :-) | 02:05 |
| bddebian | Now get to work. ;-P | 02:05 |
| dholbach | tritium knows from last time :) | 02:05 |
| dholbach | hey michael :) | 02:05 |
| tritium | hi dholbach :) | 02:05 |
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| tritium | Cool, let me eat some dinner with my wife, and I'll look for some guidance from you, bddebian. Cool? | 02:06 |
| bddebian | Damn you people are misguided ;-) | 02:06 |
| tritium | heh, I'll be back soon... | 02:07 |
| crimsun | (working on vlc.) | 02:07 |
| bddebian | Good man :-) | 02:08 |
| === bddebian is still fighting with cyphesis-cpp :-( | ||
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| dholbach | sistpoty: i added another table | 02:10 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: to make sure we're organized | 02:10 |
| dholbach | :) | 02:10 |
| ColonelKernel | the cflags I put into the kernel yesterday have REAlly made an improvement on my system performance, I want to thank you guys a lot | 02:10 |
| === ajmitch returns | ||
| sistpoty | dholbach: cool :) | 02:11 |
| ColonelKernel | for most other things you just put them in when you do ./configure | 02:11 |
| ColonelKernel | I recompiled xchat and tvtime and they are faster too | 02:11 |
| bddebian | wb ajmitch | 02:11 |
| === Diablo-D3 wonders when the kernel got autotools | ||
| sistpoty | wb ajmitch | 02:11 |
| ColonelKernel | system startup is a little bit slower, im assuming because the modules are all a bit larger | 02:11 |
| ColonelKernel | and it uses more memory too | 02:12 |
| ColonelKernel | about 100mb more | 02:12 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: so you want us to clean all the junk from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 ? | 02:14 |
| dholbach | if anybody has a cleverer list, go ahead | 02:15 |
| dholbach | i don't insist on mine | 02:15 |
| TMM | ColonelKernel, np | 02:18 |
| === ajmitch wonders what he should work on first | ||
| ColonelKernel | TMM, video games and everything are faster | 02:18 |
| TMM | hey ajmitch | 02:18 |
| ColonelKernel | the system itself now starts up gnome and runs apps faster | 02:18 |
| TMM | ColonelKernel, good for you! :) | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | hello | 02:19 |
| === ColonelKernel beams with pride | ||
| TMM | ajmitch, I think I fixed all the bugs in my package :) | 02:19 |
| ColonelKernel | and YES I used -O3 and it didnt break or hurt ANYTHING | 02:19 |
| TMM | what is BTFS anyway? | 02:19 |
| TMM | ColonelKernel, -O3 on the kernel source? | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | FTBFS? fails to build from source | 02:19 |
| TMM | ColonelKernel, usually -O3 won't break anything, it was some of the other more exotic flags that you used | 02:20 |
| dholbach | TMM: apt-get install bsdgames; wtf ftbfs | 02:20 |
| ColonelKernel | TMM, no ill effects here | 02:20 |
| ColonelKernel | not yet anyhow | 02:20 |
| TMM | ajmitch, are 'we' supposed to fix that? :) | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | TMM: sure | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | we're meant to fix as many bugs as we can | 02:21 |
| dholbach | but please read the "problems" section | 02:21 |
| TMM | so, just apt-get source it and see what fails then? | 02:21 |
| dholbach | that makes stuff easier to understand | 02:21 |
| dholbach | TMM: there are build logs on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test | 02:22 |
| TMM | dholbach, where do I find the problem section? | 02:22 |
| dholbach | TMM: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS | 02:22 |
| TMM | dholbach, I'm just like a monkey I just click links that people past, and then I get interested ;) | 02:23 |
| dholbach | that's a good way to get started :) | 02:23 |
| === ajmitch is more like a sloth than a monkey | ||
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| === bddebian kicks ajmitch ;-) | ||
| bddebian | Heya bmonty_laptop | 02:24 |
| bmonty_laptop | hi bddebian | 02:24 |
| bmonty_laptop | nice, first message I see is bddebian kicking ajmitch :) | 02:24 |
| bddebian | bmonty_laptop: Tonights fun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS | 02:24 |
| TMM | so, the thing is: first check if the package is not in main, then see if it is perhaps a binary package and then see the buildlog, then fix? | 02:24 |
| fredix | slomo: hi slomo are you here ? | 02:25 |
| ajmitch | bmonty_laptop: I deserve it, I'm lazy | 02:25 |
| slomo | fredix: sure | 02:25 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: STOP SAYING THAT!! | 02:25 |
| fredix | slomo: many thanks about your new upload of ruby-gnome2 | 02:25 |
| slomo | fredix: np :) it fixed a problem with alexandria too ;) | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: why? | 02:26 |
| TMM | I think I struck gold immediately :) | 02:26 |
| fredix | slomo: are you in the muturubyteam ? | 02:26 |
| TMM | rox-filer is said to fail, but there is no buildlog? | 02:26 |
| slomo | fredix: nope | 02:26 |
| dholbach | TMM: apt-cache showsrc rox-filer | 02:27 |
| dholbach | TMM: it gives you the "source package" | 02:27 |
| dholbach | TMM: often, more than one binary package is built from one source package | 02:27 |
| dholbach | TMM: 'rox' is what you're looking for | 02:27 |
| fredix | slomo: maybe it'll should be interest you | 02:28 |
| TMM | dholbach, so it might not fail to build at all then? | 02:28 |
| === sistpoty needs to go to bed... gn8 everyone | ||
| ogra | night sistpoty | 02:28 |
| slomo | fredix: yes i already thought about it... maybe when i know more about ruby as i do now ;) | 02:29 |
| TMM | dholbach, ok... mind if I pester you a tad more? :) | 02:29 |
| bmonty_laptop | wow, I didn't think there were this many packages that are FTBFS | 02:29 |
| TMM | the build-log for helix-player is from 24-jul and it complains about missing sourcepackages (x-dev for one, but also gtk and atk packages) | 02:30 |
| TMM | that doesn't make sense | 02:30 |
| slomo | ajmitch: were you the one who has an old g3? i have something i need to test on a non-altivec powerpc... | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | bmonty_laptop: there aren't, quite a few can be dropped from the list | 02:30 |
| fredix | slomo: ok ;) i go to sleep, thanks | 02:30 |
| slomo | fredix: good night :) | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | slomo: yes, and I don't have access to it right now | 02:30 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Because you aren't | 02:31 |
| slomo | ajmitch: hm... too bad :( so let's wait for bugreports after release ;) | 02:31 |
| ajmitch | slomo: maybe in a day or two | 02:31 |
| dholbach | bddebian: 483 on those lists should be your favourite :) | 02:31 |
| slomo | is someone here who has a x86 without mmx? | 02:32 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Hey, that shouldn't be there.. :-) | 02:32 |
| bddebian | I think that's main anyway isn't it? | 02:32 |
| dholbach | bddebian: yeah, in some cases it's a bit of reasearch | 02:32 |
| dholbach | bddebian: popcon is a bit unreliable about main/universe stuff | 02:33 |
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| dholbach | and in some other cases source packages have binary packages in universe and in main | 02:33 |
| TMM | slomo, I've got one, pentium 120 | 02:34 |
| bddebian | OK, now syphulus-cpp is on my list of packages that SUCK | 02:35 |
| bddebian | Err cyphesis.. ;-) | 02:35 |
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| slomo | TMM: can you test gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg for me? for example play a divx with totem-gstreamer | 02:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | takes awhile to compile ardour | 02:37 |
| bddebian | Should a rebuild be -0build1 or .1build1 ? | 02:38 |
| dholbach | bddebian: what was it before? | 02:38 |
| bddebian | Oh, nm it was 1.3-3.1 so 1.3-3.1build1 | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | 1.3, 3rd debian revision, 1st NMU, 1st ubuntu rebuild ;) | 02:39 |
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| bddebian | Should we add .desktop files while we are at it?? ;-) | 02:39 |
| ajmitch | they have an example like 2:1:1.0-0.0.2003.10.23-2-9.4.1 | 02:40 |
| dholbach | bddebian: that'd be 1.3-3.1build1desktop1 | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | which is just *scary* | 02:40 |
| ogra | bddebian, sure | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: huh? | 02:40 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: :-) | 02:40 |
| dholbach | bddebian: so elmo knows which one to reject ;) | 02:40 |
| bddebian | heh | 02:40 |
| bddebian | BTW, if anyone looks at zorp, forget it, it's unfixable | 02:41 |
| dholbach | bddebian: debian fixes? something in their bts? | 02:41 |
| bddebian | ogra: Sure what? .desktop files | 02:41 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Unless the newer stuff comes in from upstream it's unbuildable with the version of libzorpll | 02:41 |
| ogra | bddebian, yes | 02:42 |
| dholbach | bddebian: one patch in debian's BTS, and a newer debian revision | 02:42 |
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| bddebian | IIRCC, zorp 2.x will NOT build with libzorpll 3.x. IT would have to be updated with zorp 3.x stuff | 02:44 |
| TMM | slomo, on a p120? are you insane? :) | 02:45 |
| dholbach | bddebian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301618 :) | 02:45 |
| dholbach | bddebian: looks like that'd be a solution | 02:46 |
| bddebian | dholbach: I don't see 3.0.3 on packages.d.o though?? | 02:46 |
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| dholbach | bddebian: new upstream version | 02:46 |
| bddebian | Oh aye | 02:47 |
| TMM | slomo, there's no ubuntu on that machine now, I'll try installing it tomorrow, I really don't feel like doing that now | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | does anyone use zorp? :) | 02:51 |
| tritium | bddebian, I'll take a look at xfig | 02:54 |
| dholbach | be sure you all check how the last test builds and the normal archive builds went (and when they were) :) | 02:54 |
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| Diablo-D3 | uh | 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | crimsun | 03:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | the srcpkg ardour doesnt build libardour0 | 03:02 |
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| tritium | dholbach, bddebian: so we first just want to check if the package will be from source now without any changes? | 03:04 |
| tritium | s/be/build | 03:04 |
| bddebian | tritium: sure | 03:04 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Doubtfully ;-) | 03:05 |
| === bddebian is working on xshogi | ||
| === ajmitch is not working | ||
| crimsun | Diablo-D3: it doesn't need to. | 03:07 |
| crimsun | Diablo-D3: notice that's not one of ardour_0.9beta29-5ubuntu1's binary packages. | 03:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | er wtf then | 03:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the one in universe right now needs it =P | 03:12 |
| crimsun | doesn't matter, there's a newer source version | 03:14 |
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| crimsun | it just needs to be given-back, which will happen in a few hours | 03:14 |
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| dholbach | good night guys... it's alreday 3 again :) | 03:19 |
| tritium | Good night dholbach :) | 03:19 |
| crimsun | cya | 03:20 |
| dholbach | see you :) | 03:20 |
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| tritium | I can't figure out which package is supposed to provide stddef.h (included by /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 31) | 03:22 |
| tritium | apt-file lists several packages that have a stddef.h, but not in the standard include dirs | 03:23 |
| bmonty_laptop | tritium: how about linux-kernel-headers?? | 03:23 |
| crimsun | what bmonty said | 03:23 |
| Lathiat | tseng: ya | 03:24 |
| Kyral | its in headers :D | 03:24 |
| crimsun | gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 each provide it for internal use | 03:24 |
| tritium | thanks, guys. I'll just need to modify it to look in /usr/include/linux for that file then | 03:24 |
| bddebian | I stuck in something for a while but I'll bbiab | 03:34 |
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| doko_ | tritium: no, gcc should find it on it's own | 03:47 |
| tritium | doko_, okay, I'll see what happens. I added linux-kernel-headers as a build-dependency. Thanks. | 03:49 |
| doko_ | tritium: that's wrong. linux-kernel-headers is in build-essential | 03:51 |
| tritium | Okay, and I still get the error. | 03:51 |
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| doko_ | tritium: does a minimal testcase (#include <stddef.h>, gcc -c) work? | 03:55 |
| tritium | doko_, after logging into my pbuilder chroot? | 03:58 |
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| tritium | doko_, it works | 04:02 |
| doko_ | tritium: so find out, why your original example doesn't work. maybe use gcc -H | 04:05 |
| tritium | I'll try, thanks. | 04:06 |
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| tritium | bddebian, please query me when you're back | 04:20 |
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| === lamont is back | ||
| === lamont tries to remember what someone was asking him to do earlier, completely fails... | ||
| lamont | anybody have scrollback from around 2 hours ago? | 04:27 |
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| Diablo-D3 | bleh | 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ever been so tired that you just feel dead? | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | lamont: yeh | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | 13:00 < crimsun> lamont__: any possibility you could give-back ardour? It builds fine here on both i386 and amd64 yet fails on the buildds. | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | crimsun | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | right | 04:29 |
| lamont | danke | 04:29 |
| lamont | Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... no | 04:30 |
| lamont | that was that bug... lessee how it does | 04:30 |
| lamont | IOW, given-back | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 04:31 |
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| ajmitch | hi jsgotangco | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 04:35 |
| lamont | same failure | 04:38 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang, hows' it coming? | 05:03 |
| bddebian | tritium: Still here? | 05:03 |
| tritium | bddebian, yes, still here | 05:04 |
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| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 05:05 |
| bddebian | tritium: Did you need something homey? | 05:05 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 05:05 |
| tritium | bddebian, yeah, perhaps a little assitance? I'll query... | 05:05 |
| bddebian | OK | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | the master at work.. :) | 05:05 |
| bddebian | Yeah right | 05:06 |
| tritium | Thanks bddebian | 05:09 |
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| seth_k|lappy | hi bddebian | 05:53 |
| seth_k|lappy | </7hourdelay> | 05:53 |
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| bddebian | Heya seth_k|lappy :-) | 05:59 |
| hub | what is elmo email address? | 06:05 |
| hub | to ask for a sync from Debian? | 06:05 |
| bddebian | hub: james.troup@u.c | 06:07 |
| hub | bddebian: ok thanks | 06:07 |
| Amaranth | damn, i was about to guess jtroup@ubuntu.com | 06:07 |
| bddebian | I think that works too but I'm not sure | 06:08 |
| hub | ok thanks | 06:11 |
| hub | I was about to package a couple of things, but debian have them already | 06:11 |
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| seth_k|lappy | will we get Fx 1.5b2 in universe as a separate version or anything for breezy? (just released tonight) | 06:25 |
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| Diablo-D3 | yargh | 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | reeaaall nice | 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ardour I built segfaults everytime I try to add a new buss | 06:29 |
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| === Diablo-D3 is hoping the good build doesnt do this | ||
| crimsun | then try 0.99 from experimental | 06:41 |
| crimsun | I can't possibly ask for a 0.99 sync from experimental this late in the cycle, however | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | ardour is pretty useless with that broken | 06:42 |
| crimsun | and it'd really help if you could get a bt on the segfault | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | so I could ask for such a thing | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know if its my build or not | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its really easy to reproduce | 06:42 |
| tritium | crimsun, do you think it's too late to request a sync of xfig from testing/unstable to fix a ftbfs? | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | new session, then add new track/bus, then ask for a new stereo bus | 06:43 |
| crimsun | Diablo-D3: please obtain a bt from gdb and paste it into the malone report | 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | instant segfault | 06:43 |
| crimsun | tritium: absolutely not | 06:43 |
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| crimsun | syncing from sid is fair game imo right up til the 12th | 06:43 |
| === Diablo-D3 rebuilds ardour first. | ||
| tritium | cool, thanks | 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | just to make sure it wasnt a random fluke | 06:44 |
| bddebian | OK, I'm making stupid ass mistakes now, must be time for bed. Gnight folks.. | 06:44 |
| crimsun | 'night bddebian | 06:44 |
| tritium | Good night, bddebian | 06:44 |
| tritium | Thanks for your help tracking down that problem | 06:44 |
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| Diablo-D3 | crimsun: but yeah, if this bug is real, you'd pretty much have to push 0.99 from experimental | 06:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | crimsun: otherwise ardour is dead useless. | 06:45 |
| bddebian | tritium: Anytime brudda | 06:45 |
| tritium | :) | 06:45 |
| crimsun | Diablo-D3: no, we'll find the bug from the bt and backport the fix | 06:45 |
| crimsun | syncing from experimental one week before freeze is just madness | 06:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | YES! ITS MADDDNNESS! WAHAHAHAHAHAHA! | 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should run my own distro. | 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | First rule of my distro: no stable releases, stable releases are for pansies. | 06:46 |
| crimsun | that's what the bleeding edge (grumpy) is for | 06:46 |
| crimsun | it's slated for parallel "devel" with dapper | 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, we have names for breezy+1? | 06:47 |
| crimsun | dapper is breezy+1 | 06:47 |
| crimsun | grumpy is dapper+experimental | 06:47 |
| crimsun | at least in theory | 06:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, you know why I hate ardour sometimes? | 06:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its gtk... but written in c++. | 06:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | /that makes no sense/ | 06:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it uselessly triples my compile time -_-` | 06:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think compiling c++ is the only thing I can say is slow no matter how fast my computer is | 06:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | </rant> | 06:48 |
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| Diablo-D3 | argh! go! faster! now! | 06:51 |
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| Diablo-D3 | hey crimsun | 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | my binary should be identical to the new one, right? | 07:01 |
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| vol0za | Hello, I'd like to get involved in the Ubuntu community. Can anybody help me start? I have some coding/Linux experience. | 07:06 |
| Yagisan | vol0za: what would you like to do ? | 07:09 |
| vol0za | Actually, I don't know what are the possibilities. As of now, I would prefer coding in Python or C++, but I know that my ideas can be far away from the reality. | 07:11 |
| Yagisan | vol0za: no worries - I'm not a MOTU - but I can offer some suggestions | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | fixing bugs listed here https://launchpad.net/malone is appreciated | 07:14 |
| vol0za | any suggestions are wellcome | 07:14 |
| Yagisan | vol0za: I'm not a MOTU - I'm just a "freelancer" at the moment | 07:14 |
| Yagisan | vol0za: what areas are you interested in ? | 07:15 |
| Yagisan | eg myself - I have an interest in games an security | 07:15 |
| Yagisan | so I tend to try and help with games or security stuff | 07:15 |
| vol0za | laptop + desktop | 07:17 |
| vol0za | I'm using Ubuntu for all my work but I'm still missing some features that will make my life easier and I'm trying ways to help somehow. | 07:18 |
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| Yagisan | :) - I also use Ubuntu for work - I'm tring to bend ltsp to my will at the moment | 07:19 |
| Yagisan | what are the missing features ? | 07:19 |
| vol0za | by desktop I mean the gnome-thingies such as totem etc. | 07:19 |
| vol0za | mentioning the totem, the mozilla plugin is still not very functional | 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | 07:20 |
| Yagisan | vol0za: using totem as an example - there are several bugs in malone | 07:20 |
| Yagisan | could you fix that ? | 07:21 |
| vol0za | who knows ? :) | 07:21 |
| vol0za | so, what's the usual process when fixing a bug? | 07:22 |
| Yagisan | vol0za: usually first file that bug in malone for universe/multiverse :) | 07:24 |
| Yagisan | then apt-get source evil-broken-package (from either warty, hoary or breezy depending on where the package is) | 07:25 |
| vol0za | and if you had some 5 minutes could you give me some short intro to the overall structures here, malone, ... whatever | 07:26 |
| Yagisan | I can try - but I know I'm not the best person for it | 07:26 |
| Yagisan | for main/restricted bugs are at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com - that is generally canonicals problem - but there are exceptions | 07:27 |
| Yagisan | and if you fix a bug the will be happy | 07:27 |
| Yagisan | s/the/they | 07:27 |
| vol0za | :) | 07:28 |
| Yagisan | universe and multiverse (ie everything else) is looked after by the masochists here | 07:28 |
| Yagisan | I'll see if I can find the stats for a top masochist for you | 07:29 |
| vol0za | I'm curious | 07:30 |
| crimsun | barry (bddebian) and sh (stephen)'re up there | 07:32 |
| vol0za | I have just created my launchpad account and my karma says 0. At least I'm not negative. | 07:32 |
| jsgotangco | everyone starts at 0 | 07:32 |
| Yagisan | hmm - my link is slow today | 07:33 |
| vol0za | can we continue in the bug-process show down? I would try I it myself and correct me if I'm wrong. | 07:34 |
| vol0za | someone has to file a bug, after it it has to be confirmed and someone assigns it. | 07:35 |
| Yagisan | sure - to actually build the packages you will need a pbuilder set up | 07:36 |
| Yagisan | there is a howto in the wiki | 07:36 |
| Yagisan | generally any bug assigned to MOTU is fair game I believe, | 07:36 |
| Yagisan | as bugs tend to be assigned to groups, not individuals | 07:37 |
| vol0za | haven't heard anything about it, but I suppose that I should be able to find info on that | 07:37 |
| crimsun | any bug in universe/multiverse is game for any of us | 07:37 |
| Yagisan | be back soon - lunch with family | 07:38 |
| vol0za | wow, so multiple people are working on a single bug and they compete or what? | 07:38 |
| crimsun | vol0za: not really, it's a team effort | 07:38 |
| crimsun | 30 people for 16000+ packages... | 07:38 |
| vol0za | bye yagisan and thank you for intro | 07:38 |
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| vol0za | sorry, my ISP plays a game with me | 07:42 |
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| tritium | good night :) | 08:14 |
| crimsun | 'night | 08:15 |
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| zakame | hi all! :D | 09:26 |
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| thesaltydog | since yestarday, each time I post a comment on a malone bug, I am receiving a mail from <universe-bugs-bounces@lists.ubuntu.com> stating that my "mail" is being held... ?? | 09:42 |
| Lathiat | thesaltydog: yeh dw about that | 09:42 |
| Lathiat | thesaltydog: its because mails to universe-bugs are being held for moderation (which is rwhere reports about all motu bugs go) | 09:42 |
| Lathiat | and they changed the from: of the emaisl to be th epeerson changign things | 09:42 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: yes, and the MAIL FROM:<> too, breaking some RFCs | 09:43 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: (i.e. 2821) | 09:43 |
| Treenaks | It also breaks for people using SPF-enabled domains | 09:44 |
| thesaltydog | Lathiat, but I am not sending mails.. just adding comments on launchpad. | 09:46 |
| Treenaks | thesaltydog: launchpad sends the mails | 09:49 |
| Treenaks | thesaltydog: as you, but in the wrong way | 09:50 |
| Lathiat | thesaltydog: launchpad sends the mails for you | 09:54 |
| zakame | hmmm, does closing bugs in debian/changelog close malone bugs? | 09:55 |
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| Treenaks | Lathiat: with the wrong MAIL FROM: SMTP envelope address | 09:55 |
| talios | hey there - question on the squeak smalltalk packages - theres a manpage for an inisqueak script but no sign of the script itself - anyone able to look into it? or know about it? | 09:56 |
| Lathiat | talios: could you file a bug on launchpad.net/malone/ ? | 09:57 |
| talios | yep | 09:58 |
| Lathiat | thanks | 09:58 |
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| Lathiat | talios: which package specifically? | 09:58 |
| Lathiat | squeak-sources or squeak-vm ? | 09:59 |
| talios | not sure - I'd hazad a guess at squeak-sources | 10:00 |
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| Tonio- | hi there | 10:01 |
| talios | Lathiat, entered. | 10:06 |
| Lathiat | talios: cheers, bgu number? | 10:06 |
| talios | 2930 | 10:06 |
| talios | I'm thinking it'll be the squeak-vm package as the manpage talks about the squeak/inisqueak binaries ( and squeak is the vm) | 10:07 |
| Lathiat | thanks | 10:07 |
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| zakame | hi again | 10:19 |
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| thesaltydog | is there any MOTU who can sync the latest release of Baobab from debian to breezy? The current version in breezy is quit outdated.. | 11:10 |
| thesaltydog | breezy has v.1.0.1 and debian v.1.2.0 | 11:12 |
| thesaltydog | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/baobab/baobab_1.2.0-1/changelog | 11:12 |
| crimsun | at the moment our priority is fixing FTBFS source | 11:13 |
| thesaltydog | Understand.. | 11:14 |
| thesaltydog | suggestions? | 11:14 |
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| zyga | hi | 11:42 |
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| dholbach | hellas | 11:56 |
| Treenaks | d-man | 11:56 |
| dholbach | i suppose you're talking about me? ;) | 11:56 |
| Treenaks | dholbach: hi :) | 11:56 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | It's the BUGDAY! | It's the FTBFS day! http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS! :) | ||
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| ivoks | dholbach: no such page :) | 11:59 |
| ivoks | remove ! :) | 11:59 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:dholbach] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | REVU up again: http://revu.tauware.de | First priority: FIX REMAINING TRANSITIONS! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | It's the BUGDAY! | It's the FTBFS day! http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS - Yeah! :) | ||
| dholbach | :-p | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | ok | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | time to get cracking | 12:00 |
| dholbach | wooohooo | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | hrm transitions | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | i should check up on glu transition | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | can i do a build-dep rdepends? | 12:01 |
| ivoks | yup | 12:01 |
| ivoks | let's make this happen | 12:01 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: you want to use grep-dctrl | 12:02 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: and ajmitch is our grep-dctrl-hero | 12:02 |
| Lathiat | hm ok | 12:02 |
| Lathiat | i'll fiddle | 12:03 |
| ivoks | hm... | 12:03 |
| ivoks | my bat status droped from 40% to 3% in one second | 12:03 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: you have a couple f**ked cells :( | 12:03 |
| ivoks | you think? | 12:03 |
| Lathiat | was that a sarcastic comment or a question | 12:03 |
| ivoks | question | 12:04 |
| Lathiat | that or your acpi is fucked | 12:04 |
| ivoks | couse this started to happen after one acpi upgrade | 12:04 |
| Lathiat | yeh could be fucked DSDT or whatever it is | 12:04 |
| Lathiat | try a hoary livecd or something | 12:04 |
| ivoks | and laptop is almost new (not even a year) | 12:04 |
| dholbach | ivoks: could you try http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/gnome-applets packages and see if they behave better for you? | 12:04 |
| dholbach | i guess it'll be to late to get that stuff in for breezy | 12:04 |
| dholbach | but for dapper we should | 12:04 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: wassit fix? | 12:05 |
| ivoks | dholbach: this isn't related to gnome | 12:05 |
| dholbach | ivoks: ahhh ok... i thought it was a battery applet display problem | 12:05 |
| ivoks | dholbach: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/status shows in one moment 30000 | 12:05 |
| ivoks | dholbach: and then in other 5000 | 12:05 |
| dholbach | because it has some issues | 12:05 |
| ivoks | when i think more about it... it isn't a linux problem | 12:06 |
| ivoks | since led starts to blink when that happens | 12:06 |
| ivoks | so i guess, by bat is crapy | 12:06 |
| dholbach | oh ok | 12:06 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: well | 12:06 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: it can be | 12:06 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: if the 40% is wrong | 12:06 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: you may be able to gauge better on how long your battery lasts compared to how long it used to lsat | 12:07 |
| Lathiat | e.g. ar eyou actually getting a 35% drop in life | 12:07 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: yup... | 12:07 |
| ivoks | we check that out next time | 12:07 |
| Lathiat | ok | 12:07 |
| ivoks | it's hard to messure since i put lap in sleep all the time | 12:08 |
| ivoks | it's never off | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | measure it some time :) | 12:08 |
| ivoks | but i think i have a real life-drop :/ | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: well if your on a year you might still be in warranty | 12:08 |
| ivoks | ah... dell never again | 12:08 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: warranty is for US only :( | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | dell hey? | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | hrm | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | i have 2 dells | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | theyre both great machines | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | inspiron 8600, precision m20 | 12:09 |
| ivoks | mine is 8600 :) | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | oh | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | my 8600 is great | 12:09 |
| ivoks | wana trade for battery? :) | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | i did have to get the lcd replaced 3 times tho | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: you can get batteries cheap on ebay | 12:09 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: yeah, i could sell mine on ebay too :) | 12:09 |
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| Lathiat | ivoks: heh | 12:10 |
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| ivoks | there is no more syncing from debian, right? | 12:13 |
| Lathiat | should be fine for universe? | 12:13 |
| Lathiat | if relaly needed tho | 12:13 |
| ivoks | fixes ftbs :) | 12:13 |
| Lathiat | sounds good to me | 12:13 |
| ivoks | all right... | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | what pakage anyway | 12:14 |
| ivoks | ttt | 12:17 |
| ivoks | sync won't help | 12:17 |
| ivoks | yeah! it builds | 12:20 |
| ivoks | but, is it usable... :) | 12:20 |
| ivoks | it is! :) | 12:21 |
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| ivoks | dholbach: ping | 12:23 |
| dholbach | ivoks: pong | 12:23 |
| ivoks | dholbach: we just upload it or it needs special revision? | 12:23 |
| dholbach | what are you talking about? | 12:23 |
| ivoks | ftbs fixing | 12:23 |
| dholbach | go ahead, if it builds and works for you, i trust your judgment | 12:24 |
| ivoks | can i just upload it or i have to ping elmo or anyone? | 12:24 |
| ivoks | since we are close to release | 12:24 |
| dholbach | it is universe, isnt it? | 12:24 |
| ivoks | yes | 12:24 |
| dholbach | go ahead | 12:24 |
| ivoks | ok | 12:25 |
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| pef | hello | 12:26 |
| janimo | hi dholbach | 12:27 |
| dholbach | morning jani | 12:27 |
| janimo | deskbar-applet can be taken down from revu, it's uploaded by mithrandir | 12:27 |
| ivoks | dholbach: there are some packages on the list that builds without problems... | 12:28 |
| dholbach | ivoks: some of them didnt build in the test rebuilds and got fixed afterwards - sorry for the noise, then - just remove them from the list, if they built in the archive | 12:29 |
| ivoks | ok | 12:29 |
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| dholbach | ivoks: for next release, i'll have a cleverer script | 12:32 |
| ivoks | np | 12:33 |
| dholbach | ivoks: i had the idea we should collect clever scripts in a motu-tools package | 12:33 |
| dholbach | so everybody could improve them and we all had the tools to make a good job | 12:33 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: mmm, ajmitch and i have a little bzr repo with a few usefull tools | 12:33 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: wouldnt it be better to have them in the archive? | 12:33 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: so we'd "release them with documentation and everything" every now and then? | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | sure | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | just mentioning we have one | 12:34 |
| dholbach | yeah... that's cool | 12:34 |
| ivoks | gcc-4.0 universe ftbs (?) blink blink :) | 12:34 |
| dholbach | we do SUCH a good job :) | 12:34 |
| Lathiat | haha ivoks | 12:34 |
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| Lathiat | the real bitch with pbuilder is if the apt sources download filas | 12:35 |
| Lathiat | like when the archive is broken | 12:35 |
| Lathiat | (which happens far too often) | 12:35 |
| Lathiat | the whole thing aborts and you ahve to start again | 12:35 |
| Lathiat | *fails | 12:35 |
| === ivoks user sniffit for years | ||
| ivoks | never tried iptraf | 12:36 |
| ivoks | what a fool I was | 12:36 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| Lathiat | bwm is good to | 12:37 |
| Lathiat | as is dstat | 12:37 |
| Lathiat | dstat -a 10 | 12:37 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: what do you think of bwm-ng? | 12:37 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: havent tried it | 12:37 |
| Lathiat | is it packaged? | 12:37 |
| dholbach | yes | 12:37 |
| === Lathiat tries it | ||
| dholbach | a friend of mine wrote it, so i packaged it ;) | 12:38 |
| Lathiat | ah | 12:38 |
| Lathiat | well for a start the default interval is 0.5s | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | which is silly b ecause mroe often than not that ends up in inaccurate readings | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | youll get 300K/s for hafl the second | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | and 0 the other half | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | (meaning 150K/s) | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | and i just saw taht happen | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | happens with netspeed applet too | 12:39 |
| ivoks | iptraf rulez | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: indeed, how the hell did you not knwo about it? ;p | 12:39 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: we/you could change that interval in a patch :) | 12:39 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: i did know about it, but never used it | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: mmm, bwm-ng is good | 12:39 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: it seems actually accurate, bwm had a habbit of not being accurate | 12:40 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: my tools were ettercap and sniffit | 12:40 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: :) | 12:40 |
| ivoks | now are those + iptraf :) | 12:40 |
| ivoks | of course, nmap too | 12:40 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: bwm-ng -t 1 :) | 12:41 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: you can increase it when its runnign too | 12:41 |
| Lathiat | but the default being 0.5s is silly :) | 12:41 |
| ivoks | ah well... | 12:41 |
| ivoks | poker3d builds too :/ (noise, noise, noise :) | 12:42 |
| ivoks | ah, time to go... | 12:44 |
| dholbach | have a nice day :) | 12:44 |
| ivoks | 2.4.27 kernel finally build on 386 :) | 12:44 |
| ivoks | i'll get back to ftbs later this day | 12:44 |
| ivoks | later today... urgh | 12:44 |
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| dholbach | could somebody check if the package fixes (not the NEW stuff) on REVU got uploaded? | 01:01 |
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| dholbach | pef: around? | 01:24 |
| pef | dholbach: yes | 01:29 |
| dholbach | pef: could you elaborate on the kvpnc update? | 01:30 |
| dholbach | pef: does it have fixes we want to have? | 01:30 |
| pef | dholbach: nothing critical as far as I looked in the latest cvs entries | 01:31 |
| dholbach | pef: you think it is wise to get it in now? | 01:31 |
| pef | dholbach: the 0.8 release does not correct critical things | 01:32 |
| dholbach | janimo: had a look at xfce4-taskmanager - could you tell the maintainer to take care of the stuff i noted? | 01:32 |
| pef | dholbach: just minors changes and fixes : http://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/changelog.html | 01:33 |
| dholbach | pef: does the old release work fine or should we do the upgrade to make things nicer for people? or wait for dapper rather? | 01:33 |
| janimo | dholbach, will do thanks | 01:33 |
| janimo | he's markuman btw | 01:33 |
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| dholbach | janimo: ahhh ok | 01:34 |
| pef | dholbach: is it an expensive process to upgrade to the last version ? | 01:34 |
| dholbach | pef: wow that's a load of *fixes* | 01:34 |
| dholbach | pef: no, not expansive, but if it breaks things, that's bad so short before release | 01:35 |
| dholbach | janimo: is markuman well-integrated into the xfce team? | 01:35 |
| janimo | dholbach, he's new | 01:35 |
| janimo | about a week old :) | 01:35 |
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| pef | dholbach: unfortunately I cannot test all features (cisco tunnels, openswan, etc), so I can't be sure something isn't broken | 01:36 |
| janimo | and this is his first package | 01:36 |
| dholbach | janimo: then try to integrate him into the team nicely :) | 01:36 |
| janimo | dholbach, I am ;) | 01:36 |
| dholbach | :) | 01:36 |
| dholbach | pef: could you talk to riddell about the update then? | 01:37 |
| pef | dholbach: I will do it right now | 01:37 |
| dholbach | ok | 01:37 |
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| pef | dholbach: he will look between two kde compilations ;) I will keep you informated | 01:40 |
| dholbach | pef: if he's fine with it, he can just upload it | 01:40 |
| dholbach | pef: and MAN take care of becoming a MOTU (attending the meetings) - we WANT you :) | 01:40 |
| pef | :] | 01:41 |
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| pef | next motu meeting is post release, isn't it ? | 01:41 |
| dholbach | i rather meant the CC meeting (to become a member) and the TB meeting to get uploading privileges (and be a MOTU), but it would be nice to have you in MOTU meetings as well :) | 01:42 |
| dholbach | and yes, it's post-release | 01:42 |
| dholbach | janimo: get another approval of xubuntu-artwork - you have mine | 01:42 |
| Lathiat | revu? | 01:43 |
| dholbach | yes | 01:43 |
| pef | dholbach: I would be glad to be a MOTU, but I'm not sure to have enough time | 01:43 |
| dholbach | pef: you do more work than some approved MOTUs | 01:44 |
| janimo | dholbach, thanks :) | 01:44 |
| dholbach | de rien :) | 01:44 |
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| janimo | you rock | 01:45 |
| dholbach | i try to do my best :) | 01:45 |
| pef | dholbach: ooh..if you think i'm able to become a MOTU, I will seriously think about it :) | 01:45 |
| janimo | don't forget to sleep though :) | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | haha janimo | 01:45 |
| dholbach | pef: Riddell will be grateful to have you working in the kubuntu world | 01:46 |
| === Riddell will be | ||
| pef | :D | 01:46 |
| pef | I'm not very skilled in c++, I think it's a big problem to help with qt/kde | 01:47 |
| Lathiat | nah you just sortof muddle your way through | 01:48 |
| Treenaks | most kde devs do 8) | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | so how do i make the xubuntu usplash work isntead of the defaul tone? | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | Treenaks: haha | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | hrm, well the image is stretched, and doesnt seem to have an area for text or the progress bar | 01:50 |
| janimo | Lathiat, wait till it's uploaded | 01:51 |
| Lathiat | till whats uploaded? | 01:51 |
| janimo | then do dpkg-reconfigure --config usplash-artwork.so | 01:52 |
| pef | dholbach: [13:42] <dholbach> i rather meant the CC meeting (to become a member) and the TB meeting to get uploading privileges (and be a MOTU), but it would be nice to have you in MOTU meetings as well :) I'm already and approved Ubuntu member, so I can apply to MOTU membership now ? | 01:52 |
| Lathiat | oh i seee how the usplash artwork is changed, it uses alternatives | 01:52 |
| janimo | xubuntu-artwork is not yet uplaoded | 01:52 |
| Lathiat | janimo: im looking at it from revu | 01:52 |
| dholbach | pef yeah | 01:52 |
| janimo | oh ok | 01:52 |
| Lathiat | you needed a second approval no? | 01:52 |
| janimo | Lathiat, yes :) | 01:52 |
| janimo | so build the deb and install it | 01:52 |
| Lathiat | i did :) | 01:53 |
| janimo | then dpkg-reconfigure should do it | 01:53 |
| janimo | or maybe a new initramfs too? I forgot :( | 01:53 |
| Lathiat | yeh new initramfs | 01:54 |
| Lathiat | brb | 01:54 |
| janimo | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r ` | 01:54 |
| janimo | but first set it with alternatives | 01:54 |
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| janimo | Lathiat beware it's not too nice now but there's anew image pending in the queue | 01:55 |
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| Lathiat | janimo: ok package is fine | 01:57 |
| Lathiat | janimo: image isnt great | 01:57 |
| Lathiat | janimo: if theres a new one, rock :) | 01:57 |
| Lathiat | when can i see the new one? | 01:57 |
| dholbach | Riddell: could it be that everything in the KDE world is built with --rpath on amd64? | 01:58 |
| Lathiat | hrm, wesnoth 1.0 | 01:58 |
| Riddell | dholbach: if could be but that sounds slightly insane | 01:59 |
| Riddell | dholbach: you'll be pleased to know I just took delivery of an amd64 5 minutes ago so I'll be able to investigate | 01:59 |
| dholbach | ROCK | 01:59 |
| dholbach | Riddell: it's just that i saw it in nearly all the kde stuff i reviewed | 01:59 |
| Lathiat | --rpath? | 01:59 |
| dholbach | Riddell: the kde/qt buildsystem gives you a --disable-rpath (which is good), it just doesnt seem to work on amd64 | 02:00 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: search for binary-or-shlibs-defines-rpath (which is the corresponding lintian warning) | 02:01 |
| Lathiat | siretart: about? | 02:02 |
| Lathiat | siretart: my password isnt working for revu, and gpg decryption reveals nothing | 02:02 |
| janimo | Lathiat, http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5786/usplash1jn.png | 02:03 |
| janimo | it is not very much like edu/ku but close | 02:03 |
| Lathiat | janimo: oh, sexy | 02:04 |
| janimo | will let the artist know and if needed he'll tweak it | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | janimo: might be nice to add the little progress bar backgroudn like in the official one now | 02:04 |
| janimo | Jozsef Mak of the art team | 02:04 |
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| janimo | hmmisn't the blak space the scroll background? | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | yeh but theres a progress bar | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | and in the official ojen | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | one | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | it now has a background | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | outlining it | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | (not essential, but nice) | 02:04 |
| Lathiat | just gives an idea of where the progress bar is progrssing to | 02:05 |
| janimo | aha I'll take a look thanks | 02:05 |
| janimo | and thanks for reviewing it ;) | 02:05 |
| Lathiat | nps, im happy with it | 02:05 |
| Lathiat | i cant comment on revu tho | 02:05 |
| Lathiat | since my accts borked | 02:05 |
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| janimo | well if you vote for it it's ok I think, we have these logs to prove it :) | 02:06 |
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| Lathiat | janimo: yep | 02:09 |
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| ivoks | oh :) | 02:21 |
| ivoks | Rejected: Unknown distribution `breey'. | 02:21 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:21 |
| janimo | ivoks, you're already anticipating beyond dapper :) | 02:23 |
| ivoks | hehe yeah | 02:27 |
| Lathiat | ivoks: haha | 02:29 |
| ivoks | guys, i'm way ahead :) | 02:32 |
| ivoks | there, fixed netatalk is in :) | 02:33 |
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| Lathiat | heh | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | so, wesnoth 1.0 | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | seems to work fine | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | our version isnt *too* far off it | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | anyone violently disagree to syncing it? | 02:35 |
| ivoks | Lathiat: it someone does, he would be gently silent :) | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: ? | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: ? | 02:36 |
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| dholbach | how much testing did it get? | 02:37 |
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| Yagisan | Lathiat: need wesnoth 1.0 | 02:38 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: nothing i just started looking at it, it was released 2nd oct | 02:38 |
| Lathiat | it compiles etc fine | 02:39 |
| Lathiat | rus fine, plays fine | 02:39 |
| Lathiat | *runs | 02:39 |
| Lathiat | i'll check debbugs | 02:39 |
| Yagisan | must be able to play online | 02:39 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: online play in 1.0? | 02:39 |
| Yagisan | esp for the ubuntuforums wesnoth matches | 02:39 |
| Lathiat | 1 bug about not being able to change language ingame | 02:40 |
| Lathiat | but thats hardly critical | 02:40 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: usually when the version changes - it won't connect to online servers | 02:41 |
| dholbach | Yagisan: did you test wesnoth 1.0? | 02:41 |
| Yagisan | dholbach: when it downloads I will | 02:41 |
| dholbach | it'd be cool to put the packages up, so yagisan (wesnoth pro) can test it | 02:41 |
| Yagisan | dholbach: I suck so bad it's not funny (and my isp capped me :( _ | 02:41 |
| Lathiat | Yagisan: do you want the compiled packages? | 02:41 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat: source (I'm amd64) | 02:42 |
| Lathiat | packages.debian.org/wesnoth | 02:42 |
| Lathiat | i made no changes | 02:42 |
| Yagisan | I think wesnoth should be part of ubuntu-desktop | 02:42 |
| Yagisan | :) | 02:42 |
| Lathiat | haha | 02:42 |
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| Yagisan | thanks | 02:43 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 02:49 |
| dholbach | hey sistpoty | 02:50 |
| === ivoks hates promise | ||
| ivoks | i will have to install redhat9 | 02:57 |
| dredg | so very very thankful we're working on rolling out ubuntu here | 02:58 |
| dholbach | :) | 02:58 |
| dredg | the very notion of running the local highly customised but still redhat9 distribution fills me with the fear | 02:58 |
| ivoks | problem is... | 03:02 |
| ivoks | i have this stopid raid controler | 03:02 |
| ivoks | from promise | 03:02 |
| ivoks | and stopid promise doesn't support 2.6 kernel, nor any other distribution but redhat9 and suse9 | 03:02 |
| ivoks | their source for driver is... crap | 03:02 |
| ivoks | and i don't have time to fix it... i need this machine working yesterday | 03:03 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: raid 1, 5 ?? | 03:03 |
| ivoks | 5 | 03:03 |
| ivoks | i will try one more thing with debian/ubuntu, and if that doesn't work, redhat it is.. | 03:03 |
| ivoks | not cause i like redhat, but cause i hate promise | 03:03 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: why not copy the data to another box - and use the promise controller as a glorified ide/scsi/sata controller ? | 03:04 |
| havoc | ivoks: I've been in that same situation :( | 03:04 |
| Yagisan | put in software raid and copy back ? | 03:05 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i can do that with sx6000? | 03:05 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: make it simple IDE controler? | 03:05 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: I have absolutely no idea | 03:05 |
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| Yagisan | most seem to be able to work like that though | 03:06 |
| ivoks | i2o doesn't work either | 03:06 |
| ivoks | :( | 03:06 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i will check out if that's possible | 03:07 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: ah... it won't work | 03:07 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: it's not that linux doesn't get RAID, but it doesn't detect controller | 03:07 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: so, whatever is attached to controller, i can't see it, be it RAID or one single disk | 03:07 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: ah - you have the "new" firmware | 03:08 |
| ivoks | yep :( | 03:08 |
| dholbach | zyga: there are quite some ruby packages on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS | 03:08 |
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| zyga | dholbach: checking | 03:09 |
| dholbach | zyga: mightr be worth to investigate: 1) if it built later again on our boxes, or 2) if debian fixed it | 03:10 |
| ivoks | this is why ubuntu must go prime time... | 03:10 |
| zyga | dholbach: s/one source package, may binary packages/...many.../ | 03:10 |
| dholbach | oh right | 03:10 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: ok - from my quick googling it seems that ac was supposed to look at that last september | 03:11 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: debian is a no-go ? it has 2.4.x | 03:12 |
| zyga | dholbach: uhhh... finding out 'which ruby package ftbfs is not a simple question with all those directories' | 03:12 |
| sistpoty | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=731 anyone to sponsor upload? ;) | 03:12 |
| dholbach | which source package is it? | 03:12 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: will look | 03:13 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: thx... also it's nothing but an ugly hack ;) | 03:13 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: it's no-go | 03:13 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: you have to build that module with debian headers - that i did | 03:13 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: but then i get to many unresolved... bla. bla... bla | 03:14 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i'm fighting with that for 5 days now | 03:14 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: use a vanilla kernel | 03:14 |
| dholbach | zyga: which source package? | 03:14 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i allways do that :) | 03:14 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i tried 5 kernels | 03:14 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: that source driver isn't written for vanilla kernel | 03:14 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: it's written for redhat/suse kernels | 03:14 |
| zyga | dholbach: /me needs to know which packages to look at | 03:14 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: old RH, SSE kernels | 03:15 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: it's shitty controller and I'm not going to spend a minute more on it | 03:15 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: grab the redhat kernel source - patch with promise - make-kpkg | 03:15 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: there is no patch :) | 03:16 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: what do you use the box for ? | 03:16 |
| ivoks | backup | 03:17 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: done | 03:18 |
| dholbach | zyga: i thought you were interested in ruby stuff | 03:18 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: I've just had a look around about that card - and I have only one word for you - ebay | 03:18 |
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| ivoks | Yagisan: :) | 03:19 |
| zyga | dholbach: I am - I'm just not familiar with finding out exactly which packages I need to look at yet :D | 03:19 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: thx :) | 03:19 |
| === Yagisan is glad he uses software raid 5 | ||
| zoot_ | hi! i'm trying to get kiosk mode working on the standard xfce-4.2.2 install on breezy, but adding [xfce4-panel] \nCustomizePanel=root in /etc/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc has no effect. this works on my other slackware boxes. any pointers? | 03:19 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: seriously - if you can - get rid of that card. I'm seeing awful stories in the suse forums | 03:20 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: it's ugly if you use i2o | 03:20 |
| ivoks | it's crap, i know | 03:21 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: but I'm not the one to decide.. :) | 03:21 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: yep - they go the spec wrong (and their service was crap) | 03:21 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: your not ? doesn't anyone listen to your technical advice ? | 03:22 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i created raid5 with 3TB on i386, i can do everything, but this shit... man! :( | 03:22 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: sure it does... | 03:22 |
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| ivoks | well, got to go... | 03:24 |
| ivoks | i'm heading to 1GB pipe to d/l rh9 :( | 03:24 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: is there data on that system ? | 03:24 |
| ivoks | wouldn't it be great if VPN would provide you speed with IP addresses of a host? :) | 03:24 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: on what system? with sx6000? no | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: ah - what sort of load is it expected to handle ? | 03:25 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: well...it will be mail server+backup | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: cpu ? | 03:26 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: ah...darn.... RH uses sendmail | 03:26 |
| Yagisan | ram ? | 03:26 |
| ivoks | fsck!!!! | 03:26 |
| Yagisan | ivoks - I have an idea | 03:26 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i will change that shit :) | 03:26 |
| havoc | ivoks: any distro can use whatever you want it to | 03:26 |
| ivoks | havoc: i know ;) | 03:26 |
| havoc | :) | 03:26 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: go to petty cash - help youself - go to electronics store - G'day 3 pci ide cards thanks | 03:27 |
| ivoks | :) | 03:27 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: not nad idea | 03:27 |
| ivoks | bad | 03:27 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: stick in box - ebay promise crap - refill petty cash | 03:27 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: make sure the are the two port models - stick everything on master and your sweet | 03:28 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: about $150au all up (includes coffee on the way back :) ) | 03:29 |
| ivoks | :) | 03:29 |
| ivoks | well, see you guys... | 03:30 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: My RAID is 1 PATA + 2 SATA drives - software | 03:30 |
| ivoks | thanks for advice | 03:30 |
| Yagisan | no worries ivoks | 03:30 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i have couple of RAIDs | 03:30 |
| Yagisan | good luck | 03:30 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: all kinds, mirror, soft mirror, 5, soft 5 | 03:30 |
| ivoks | even linear :) | 03:30 |
| ivoks | bye | 03:31 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: I'm just a small business - I can't afford more (I even have 2 more PATA ports - but the driver is 2.6.13 :( ) | 03:31 |
| Yagisan | damm - too slow | 03:31 |
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| zoot_ | is crimsun around? | 03:35 |
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| thesaltydog | ogra, ping | 03:45 |
| ogra | thesaltydog, ? | 03:46 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:49 |
| dholbach | hey bddebian :) | 03:51 |
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| bddebian | Morning Daniel | 03:53 |
| sistpoty | hi bddebian | 03:54 |
| sistpoty | ok, what is top prio atm? should i go for ftbfs or finish haskell-transition first? | 03:55 |
| zoot_ | reprise: of those just on, anyone with experience with kiosk mode? (xfce on ubuntu breezy) | 03:56 |
| slomo_ | crimsun or Riddell: who of you two was working on getting a musicbrainz/libtunepimp package with mp3 support? | 03:56 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: whatever you like better :) | 03:58 |
| Yagisan | Lathiat, dholbach: wesnoth seems fine to me - I'd sync it (but I'm not a MOTU) | 03:59 |
| dholbach | Yagisan: thanks for double-checking | 03:59 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: go! :) | 04:00 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: ack ;) | 04:00 |
| Riddell | slomo_: not I | 04:00 |
| Riddell | slomo_: if you did that it would be great | 04:00 |
| Yagisan | dholbach: heh - I love the excuse to play :) | 04:00 |
| dholbach | "no mom, this time it's for a good cause!" | 04:01 |
| dholbach | :) | 04:01 |
| sistpoty | btw.: is it safe to fire up two pbuilder in parallel (i.e. pbuildering two packages?)? | 04:01 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: i did 4 :) | 04:01 |
| sistpoty | dholbach: wow | 04:01 |
| Yagisan | dholbach: actually - it's no honey I'm working | 04:03 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: I have 3-4 going at once | 04:03 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: gets choppy around 6 | 04:03 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: i think i start with two... my machine is quite old (duron 1300) ;) | 04:04 |
| slomo_ | Riddell: ok, but someone already told me about that... i'll create universe packages for the two | 04:04 |
| slomo_ | Riddell: this evening or tomorrow | 04:04 |
| dholbach | slomo_: thank you | 04:04 |
| bddebian | Heya sistpoty, slomo_, Riddell, Yagisan :-) | 04:04 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: I had one of those (I could do 3 depending on the packages) - It overheated and shorted out :( | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | G'day bddebian | 04:05 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: shortly before my duron died - I had it run all of main through pbuilder - that was interesting | 04:06 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: and it could be even in main... it just can't be shipped with the cds... so i could simply patch the main packages we have to build two binary packages... one with mp3, one without... but that's probably a too big change for breezy now... | 04:07 |
| sistpoty | Yagisan: i had mine up to 78 degrees once... but then i decided to buy a better fan ;) (58 degrees currently) | 04:07 |
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| dholbach | slomo_: if you could discuss this with somebody else in #u-devel, i'd be grateful | 04:07 |
| dholbach | slomo_: because i'm not sure about what to ship/not-ship - and main will be tough | 04:08 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: yes but not now ;) i have to go shopping now... maybe this evening or tomorrow | 04:08 |
| dholbach | have fun :) | 04:08 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: libmad and stuff are already in main... so we have everything we need there ;) we just can't ship it on cds | 04:08 |
| Yagisan | sistpoty: I'd had a very hot spell - so that contributed. otherwise my duron was nice | 04:08 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: thanks :) | 04:09 |
| bddebian | Is there a meta packages that provides libXau et al? Should xlibs-dev provide that? | 04:10 |
| Yagisan | anyone have any links on how to set up distcc and ccache with pbuilder ? | 04:11 |
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| ivoks | hi | 04:13 |
| ivoks | decision has beed made | 04:13 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: thanks for solution :) | 04:13 |
| bddebian | Heya ivoks | 04:14 |
| ivoks | hey | 04:14 |
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| dholbach | bddebian: libxau-dev | 04:20 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: ok | 04:22 |
| dholbach | bddebian: use dlocate :) | 04:22 |
| bddebian | dholbach: I knew that, I meant a meta package that privided libxau, libxaw, libxext, etc :-) | 04:22 |
| Lathiat | dholbach: requested | 04:23 |
| dholbach | bddebian: apt-cache rdepends libxau-dev :) | 04:23 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: super | 04:23 |
| Lathiat | now back to gl transition | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Bahh :-) | 04:23 |
| Lathiat | whats happening with the haskell (ghc) stuff? | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: What needs a gl transition yet? | 04:23 |
| Lathiat | is ghc5 now bootstrapped? | 04:23 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: theres 4 things | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | ok, ghc5 hasnt been fixed | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | bah | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | ghc6 was tho | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: boson-base, felt, ghc5, cl-sdl, libgtkada2, ncbi-tools6, python-visual, sage | 04:24 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: i'm lookign at them all now | 04:24 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Boson-base is severely broken with gcc4 | 04:26 |
| Lathiat | boh? | 04:26 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: is there an upstraem fix? | 04:26 |
| Lathiat | can it be built with 3.3? | 04:26 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Upstream ftbfs also from what I hear | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | mm, no debian fixes | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: ah, sucky | 04:28 |
| bddebian | There is a .11 version upstream I think | 04:28 |
| bddebian | I haven't tried with gcc-3.4 | 04:28 |
| sistpoty | Lathiat: ignore ghc5 it should be morgued... (debian morgues it as well) | 04:28 |
| dholbach | anything interesting from: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=boson-base? | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | sistpoty: oh ok | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: glad I could help | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | yes, debian C++ transition | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327934 | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | no progress tho | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | might be psosible to do g++-3.4 | 04:31 |
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| ivoks | um... | 04:38 |
| ivoks | saslauthd has a bug :) | 04:38 |
| ivoks | in debian :) | 04:38 |
| ivoks | and in ubuntu, too | 04:38 |
| crimsun | slomo_: not me, at least not actively | 04:40 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: sorry can't help with that one | 04:46 |
| zoot_ | hi crimsun: tracked you down here :) need help with kiosk mode - can't get it to work (breezy) | 04:47 |
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| ivoks | Yagisan: haha np | 04:48 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i know that one :) | 04:48 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: so what cards are you getting ? | 04:48 |
| crimsun | zoot_: general question? -> #ubuntu | 04:49 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: didn't thing of that yet... | 04:49 |
| zoot_ | crimsun: no-one there to help. have kiosk mode running perfectly on slackware boxes, so my config is fine - unless the ubuntu pkg uses a diff location for kioskrc? | 04:50 |
| zoot_ | this is xfce related | 04:50 |
| zoot_ | and i see you're down as an admin for xfce on ubuntu ;) | 04:50 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: ok - don't get ite8212 based cards - the need a driver from 2.6.13 that was too late to be backported from breezy | 04:51 |
| crimsun | zoot_: try asking in #xubuntu-devel, too. I'm sorry to punt on you at the moment like this, but I'm packing for a drive to Atlanta | 04:51 |
| zoot_ | k, thx | 04:51 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: don't worry (i can allways put my own kernel) | 04:51 |
| ivoks | does any one knows were i can get rhel4? | 04:52 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Are those FTBFs's supposed to be in order of "importance" ? | 04:52 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: yeah - but if you need to install on it, it's a pain | 04:52 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: rhel4 == white box linux | 04:52 |
| crimsun | bddebian: yeah, popularity | 04:52 |
| dholbach | bddebian: the information on popcon might be a bit stale, but yes, it's supposed to be ranks | 04:52 |
| === hubH read planet ubuntu | ||
| hubH | mouahhhh | 04:53 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i know that, but i have rhn account | 04:53 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: there is another one too, but I forgot it's name | 04:53 |
| hubH | "Get out of jail free" | 04:53 |
| bddebian | Guess I'll look at gpdf | 04:53 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: oh - I thought you meant for "free" | 04:53 |
| dredg | whitebox linux is not a good thing | 04:53 |
| dredg | all packages are done by one guy | 04:53 |
| dredg | centos is a better free rhel | 04:54 |
| Yagisan | dredg: thanks - that's the one that I forgot the name of | 04:54 |
| hubH | bddebian: evince | 04:54 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: rhel IS free | 04:54 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: rhn is not | 04:54 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: not binaries | 04:54 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: yup, even binaries :) | 04:54 |
| dredg | ivoks: you should be able to login to rhn and download the iso | 04:54 |
| ivoks | dredg: i know... | 04:55 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: hmm- tell red hat asia-pac | 04:55 |
| dredg | Yagisan: technically there is nothing stopping ivoks burning a copy of rhel4 and giving it to me for free | 04:55 |
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| ivoks | dredg: well... | 04:55 |
| ivoks | dredg: trade mark issues :) | 04:55 |
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| Yagisan | dredg: I know - and if the support was good - I'd pay for it | 04:55 |
| ivoks | i will d/l evaluation copy | 04:56 |
| ivoks | and put in my account | 04:56 |
| Yagisan | but there is a reason I use ubuntu - better support | 04:56 |
| dredg | Yagisan: er, sure | 04:56 |
| Yagisan | - and the people are nicer | 04:56 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: ah, this isn't about better support or anything | 04:56 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: my copmany is paying me RHCE, so... :) | 04:56 |
| dredg | if rhel dies at 4am i want someone i can phone and demand that they fix it | 04:56 |
| ivoks | dredg: that will be available for ubuntu too, soon :) | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | dredg: red hat f*cked up several largeish installs here - the clients went back to windows | 04:57 |
| ivoks | dredg: even now you can buy support from canonical | 04:57 |
| dredg | ivoks: sure. i was just using it as an example. we're unlikely to need support for any machines :) | 04:57 |
| === ivoks is thinkig to create pay-for-support for ubuntu | ||
| ivoks | at least here... | 04:58 |
| dredg | if something dies outright we can just zap the install and start again :) | 04:58 |
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| Yagisan | dredg: It kinda sucks to see linux failure in major newspapers - with red hat cited as the vendor | 04:59 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: i'll do ubuntu desktop installation in one company very soon | 05:00 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: arround 20 computers | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | congrats ivoks | 05:00 |
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| ivoks | Yagisan: they will migrate all machines to linux, except one... need for AutoCAD | 05:00 |
| bddebian | hubH: ?? | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: I promote it to my customers | 05:00 |
| ivoks | Yagisan: ? | 05:01 |
| hubH | bddebian: gpdf is crap. use Evince | 05:01 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: I promote ubuntu migrations to my customers | 05:01 |
| dredg | ivoks: we're working on making ubuntu our supported linux desktop | 05:01 |
| hubH | bddebian: or xpdf | 05:01 |
| crimsun | hubH: gpdf is on the FTBFS list | 05:01 |
| bddebian | hubH: I'm talking aboutfixing FTBFSs :) | 05:01 |
| dredg | ivoks: unfortunately, due to the way we do things, it requires a bit of hacking :) | 05:02 |
| hubH | FTBFS? | 05:02 |
| hubH | what that? | 05:02 |
| bddebian | hubH: Fails to Build From Source | 05:02 |
| hubH | ah | 05:02 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: compiling boson 0.11, so far so good | 05:02 |
| Lathiat | a bazillion warnins | 05:03 |
| Lathiat | but no errors yet | 05:03 |
| dredg | ivoks: where 'a bit' means 'quite a lot' :) | 05:03 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: Awesome, thx | 05:03 |
| bddebian | Lathiat: with gcc4? | 05:03 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: indeed | 05:03 |
| ivoks | dredg: like what? | 05:03 |
| dredg | ivoks: not allowed say | 05:04 |
| Lathiat | bddebian: doh, failed. :) | 05:04 |
| bddebian | Heh :-) | 05:04 |
| dredg | suffice to say we use patched kerberos, ldap and nfsv4 everywhere | 05:04 |
| Lathiat | looks fixable | 05:04 |
| dredg | and a whole load of custom apps that work with that setup | 05:05 |
| ivoks | dredg: ok :) | 05:05 |
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| ivoks | dholbach: ping | 05:05 |
| dholbach | ivoks: pong | 05:05 |
| ivoks | dholbach: will you sister come to UBZ? :) | 05:06 |
| dholbach | i don't think so :) | 05:06 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: stop trying to pick up | 05:06 |
| ivoks | ah... :( | 05:06 |
| ivoks | :)) | 05:06 |
| bddebian | hehe | 05:06 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 05:06 |
| torkel | dredg: patched kerberos and ldap in what way? | 05:07 |
| dredg | torkel: no comment | 05:07 |
| zakame | bddebian: hi | 05:07 |
| tritium_ | hi guys | 05:07 |
| zoot_ | crimsun: sorry to bug you, but not a soul is on #xubuntu-devel. if u get a chance, let me know where else i may find help - have posted to xfce list but a bit pointless as kiosk mode works fine when i configure it on other distros... hmmm - will plug away.. | 05:07 |
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| dredg | torkel: i'm not sure just what i'm allowed talk about so i'm just going to shut up now :) | 05:08 |
| torkel | dredg: sure. I'm intrested in what way and why you have to patch kerberos and ldap though :-) | 05:10 |
| === Lathiat kicks torkel | ||
| dredg | torkel: i'm not sure myself, i just know it has to be done :) i've not been introduced to the real voodoo yet | 05:10 |
| bddebian | How does debian/watch work? | 05:11 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian: you give url with regexp in debian/watch and then you can "uscan" which pretty much downloads the new version | 05:12 |
| Yagisan | dredg: where do you work ? | 05:12 |
| ivoks | NSA :) | 05:12 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: It's already there so I just run uscan? | 05:12 |
| tritium_ | bddebian: once elmo syncs the packge for me, I just rebuild and upload? | 05:12 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: yes | 05:12 |
| tritium_ | package | 05:12 |
| bddebian | tritium_: You shouldn't have to do anything, just check the buildlogs and make sure it builds on all archs :-) | 05:13 |
| torkel | Lathiat: what have i done now? except beeing OT? | 05:13 |
| tritium_ | oh, that's even better, thanks, bddebian | 05:13 |
| bddebian | tritium_: Anytime :) | 05:13 |
| Yagisan | ivoks: your shitting me right ? | 05:13 |
| ivoks | yeah :) | 05:14 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: How do I know if it did anything? I got no output from uscan | 05:14 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: you didn't? | 05:15 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: Nope, just came back to the CL | 05:15 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian: then it probably didn't do a thing... I'll retry it with a package here, to make sure i didn't talk crap ;) | 05:16 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: did you do it in top-level-src-dir? you could also try --verbose | 05:17 |
| dredg | Yagisan: google | 05:18 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: I'll try verbose, thx | 05:22 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: It's OK, there was no newer version :-( | 05:23 |
| bddebian | Shit, so I guess it's a manual gcc4 fix :-( | 05:23 |
| Yagisan | dredg: you work at google ? | 05:24 |
| dredg | Yagisan: correct | 05:25 |
| ivoks | :) | 05:25 |
| dredg | not quite NSA :) | 05:26 |
| Yagisan | dredg: must have lots of interesting toys there ... | 05:27 |
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| ivoks | ok, downloading AS iso | 05:28 |
| ivoks | ETA 40min :/ | 05:28 |
| Yagisan | my webpage was page ranked 1st once | 05:28 |
| dredg | Yagisan: some yeah :) | 05:28 |
| Yagisan | dredg: So when is the high profile switch to Ubuntu :) | 05:29 |
| ivoks | i'm not sure google has any plans with ubuntu :) | 05:29 |
| ivoks | they are partners with sun now :) | 05:29 |
| Lathiat | ubuntu on sunfires ! :) | 05:30 |
| dredg | no comment... | 05:30 |
| dredg | ;) | 05:30 |
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| ivoks | this brings as to | 05:31 |
| ivoks | dredg has nothing with google :) | 05:31 |
| dredg | Yagisan: it won't be that high profile :) it's not like we're rolling it out on the servers or anything :) | 05:32 |
| Lathiat | imposter! | 05:32 |
| dredg | and as for the sun thing, last time i checked that was a toolbar distribution deal with java | 05:32 |
| ivoks | yeah... | 05:32 |
| ivoks | it would be great if google would stand behind ubuntu... | 05:33 |
| ivoks | but... that's in some other parallel universe :) | 05:33 |
| Lathiat | Maybe we can get a changeling infiltrator at the highest ranks of google :) | 05:33 |
| ivoks | one question... | 05:34 |
| ivoks | dredg: what's the best desktop distribution? | 05:34 |
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| dredg | ivoks: in my opinion, ubuntu. i've been using it for about a year | 05:34 |
| ivoks | dredg: ok, it's irrelevant if you work for google or not, you are one of us :) | 05:34 |
| dredg | ivoks: erm ok :) | 05:35 |
| bddebian | Guys I don't want to be a jerk becaues I usually don't care but can you take this elsewhere? | 05:35 |
| janimo | like ubuntu-devel :) | 05:35 |
| ivoks | bddebian: you are right... | 05:35 |
| sistpoty | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=732 (hat) anyone willing to upload? | 05:37 |
| siretart | hi | 05:37 |
| siretart | sistpoty: looking at it | 05:37 |
| sistpoty | huhu siretart | 05:37 |
| sistpoty | thx... it will take some time to build ;) | 05:37 |
| siretart | I'm just revu-build'ing it ;) | 05:38 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 05:38 |
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| ivoks | um... | 05:39 |
| ivoks | xlibmesa-dev is now...? | 05:39 |
| sistpoty | siretart: in case revu-builds fail, some strange things happen (imo)... i got "*.diff" and other files starting with "*." lying around | 05:39 |
| siretart | sistpoty: do you know when the next TB meeting is? I assume it wasn't yesteday, was it? | 05:39 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: yeah, right | 05:40 |
| ivoks | ah... | 05:40 |
| sistpoty | siretart: no, mdz said he didn't get reply fast enough... so i assume it will be the regularly one | 05:40 |
| siretart | thats how revu-build is implemented. it's a small shell script with some redirects | 05:40 |
| hubH | w00t | 05:42 |
| hubH | 3 package advocated | 05:42 |
| zakame | bddebian: hmm, seems that lighttpd's license is a bit problematic, imo... | 05:42 |
| ivoks | if we have build1, that becomes build2 or ubuntu1? | 05:43 |
| bddebian | ivoks: If you change build-deps it's ubuntu1 if you just rebuild it's build2 | 05:43 |
| ivoks | ok | 05:43 |
| siretart | ivoks: depends. did you change anything else thath debian/changelog, ubuntu1 | 05:43 |
| dredg | right, time to go home | 05:44 |
| ivoks | dredg: bye | 05:44 |
| dredg | later | 05:44 |
| sistpoty | wow... i just fixed a package i haven't known, which i find extremely useful :) | 05:49 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: :) | 05:49 |
| ivoks | :) | 05:49 |
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| ivoks | me too | 05:49 |
| ivoks | chromium :) | 05:49 |
| === sistpoty fixed seahorse | ||
| ivoks | ok, leave packages from r-z to me... | 05:52 |
| ivoks | i'll do that, ok? | 05:52 |
| ivoks | so we don't do double work.. | 05:52 |
| sistpoty | ivoks: ok | 05:55 |
| ivoks | all right | 05:56 |
| \sh | moins | 05:57 |
| sistpoty | hi \sh | 05:57 |
| sistpoty | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=733 (seahorse) anyone to upload? | 05:57 |
| \sh | seahorse? it's in? | 05:58 |
| sistpoty | it ftbfs'd... | 05:59 |
| \sh | sistpoty: did u merge it or is it a new release? | 05:59 |
| sistpoty | sync from debian, and had to fiddle with the configure script (still ftbfs'd) | 05:59 |
| \sh | and now everything is ok? | 05:59 |
| sistpoty | it works :)... i successfully deleted my key:( | 06:00 |
| ivoks | :) | 06:00 |
| \sh | wow | 06:00 |
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| \sh | sistpoty: I'll upload for you | 06:01 |
| sistpoty | thx \sh | 06:02 |
| azeem | Hi. ghemical_1.90-2 now built fine on ia64 and amd64 in unstable, is there a chance to have that synced for Breezy? | 06:02 |
| siretart | sistpoty: oh. new upstream of hat? | 06:02 |
| sistpoty | siretart: yep... the older one isn't compatible to our ghc6-version | 06:03 |
| sistpoty | siretart: as in will compile, but won't be able to trace haskell stuff afterwards | 06:04 |
| siretart | sistpoty: okay | 06:04 |
| sistpoty | siretart: ogra told me it is ok ;) | 06:04 |
| siretart | super | 06:04 |
| \sh | sistpoty: u had a backup of your key? | 06:04 |
| sistpoty | on the keyserver... but it was my 2nd key which i actually wanted to revoke or s.th. :) | 06:05 |
| siretart | sistpoty: new key? I'm next week all day at uni, if you need a signature ;) | 06:06 |
| ivoks | :) | 06:06 |
| sistpoty | siretart: for sistpoty@ubuntu.com... but with seahoarse i found out that i can use my old key and add an user id... so i didn't need the new one | 06:07 |
| sistpoty | siretart: however i did --send-key the new one already. how can i delete that now? | 06:07 |
| siretart | noway | 06:08 |
| sistpoty | damn ;) | 06:08 |
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| Fuddl | siretart: quake3 source now splits into quake3 and quake3-server packages. i'll upload the new package this evening | 06:11 |
| siretart | hi Fuddl :) | 06:15 |
| siretart | Fuddl: cool! | 06:15 |
| siretart | Fuddl: welcome to MOTUGames, btw ;) | 06:16 |
| Fuddl | siretart: yepp, splitting quake3 was my final goal... phu... :) | 06:16 |
| ivoks | good job | 06:16 |
| Fuddl | siretart: eh..... why "welcome"? i just did this ONE package, ok? | 06:16 |
| Fuddl | :) | 06:16 |
| sistpoty | huhu Fuddl | 06:17 |
| Fuddl | hi sistpoty | 06:17 |
| siretart | okay, hat looks fine, uploading | 06:18 |
| sistpoty | cool, thx :) | 06:19 |
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| bddebian | OK, xprint-xprintorg package SUCKS too | 06:28 |
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| xerxas | is there an netinstall for ubuntu ? | 06:35 |
| zyga | xerxas: AFAIK no | 06:36 |
| zyga | xerxas: I asked the same question some time ago | 06:36 |
| zyga | xerxas: you can install debian and then upgrade to ubuntu (so to speak) | 06:36 |
| xerxas | or use a debstroop ; base-config ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 06:39 |
| xerxas | :) | 06:39 |
| \sh | netinstall? | 06:39 |
| \sh | there is a netinstall | 06:40 |
| \sh | I'm using it for my laptop | 06:41 |
| \sh | (pxeboot) | 06:41 |
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| \sh | xerxas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet | 06:42 |
| \sh | xerxas: if it helps you | 06:42 |
| xerxas | \sh, thanks | 06:42 |
| xerxas | will take look | 06:42 |
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| === zyga is thinking about a rougelike+mud game for developers ;) | ||
| zyga | you have compiled your first package | 06:43 |
| zyga | you gain 10 experience points ;-) | 06:43 |
| xerxas | :) | 06:44 |
| bddebian | Heh | 06:45 |
| === bddebian would be at -10,000 XP | ||
| zyga | but it would be quite boring | 06:46 |
| zyga | only bugs to squash | 06:46 |
| zyga | hehe | 06:46 |
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| \sh | anyone needs syncs? | 06:49 |
| bddebian | Oh, kinda like MOTU work then.. ;-P | 06:49 |
| \sh | I'm writing a mail to elmo | 06:49 |
| zyga | \sh: for dapper? | 06:49 |
| \sh | for breezy | 06:50 |
| \sh | we're not done with universe right now ;) | 06:50 |
| zyga | ah, no then :) | 06:50 |
| azeem | \sh: 17:58 < azeem> Hi. ghemical_1.90-2 now built fine on ia64 and amd64 in unstable, is there a chance to have that synced for Breezy? | 06:52 |
| \sh | this is the haskell stuff? | 06:53 |
| azeem | no | 06:53 |
| \sh | azeem: ok..putting it on my check list | 06:54 |
| \sh | azeem: your email address which is whitelisted on -changes? | 06:54 |
| \sh | azeem: and realname would be good as well ;) | 06:55 |
| === \sh thinks I need a gcl sync as well | ||
| \sh | regarding acl2 | 06:55 |
| azeem | my realname is Michael Banck. I am the maintainer of that package in Debian and noticed that it is unsynced in Breezy due to build failures in amd64. As the latest version now built on amd64, I suggested to sync it. | 06:56 |
| azeem | but it's not particularly important I guess | 06:56 |
| \sh | azeem: everything we can fix is important | 06:56 |
| azeem | just a matter of priority :) | 06:56 |
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| \sh | somethings wrong with my dsl line | 07:02 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: are you working on gpdf? | 07:05 |
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| dholbach | re | 07:09 |
| sistpoty | wb | 07:09 |
| \sh | hey dholbach | 07:09 |
| dholbach | hey \sh, thanks for the flowers in your blog entry :) | 07:09 |
| dholbach | i was very pleased to read it :) | 07:10 |
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| bddebian | sistpoty: Not at the moment. It's pretty jacked | 07:10 |
| bddebian | wb dholbach | 07:10 |
| zyga | do you think it's reasonable to package firefox 1.5 beta builds and upgrade them often during dapper? | 07:10 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: i could try to fix it... unless you want to take it yourself ;) | 07:11 |
| \sh | dholbach: oh no..I only wrote the truth :) | 07:11 |
| dholbach | :)) | 07:11 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: No, I'm at work, go for it :) | 07:12 |
| \sh | and I will nerve elmo today with all sync mails ;) | 07:12 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: ack | 07:12 |
| bddebian | \sh: Good, you can take my place ;-P | 07:12 |
| \sh | bddebian: hehe...but I'm writing some | 07:12 |
| \sh | honey words with my sync requests, like "have a nice weekend" | 07:12 |
| bddebian | \sh: I try that too ;-) | 07:12 |
| \sh | bddebian: yeah..but I'm leaving out the ",-)" | 07:13 |
| \sh | after "have a nice weekend" | 07:13 |
| bddebian | hehe | 07:14 |
| \sh | bddebian: I mean, when you go to work during weekends and someone tells you "have a nice weekend" on friday... | 07:14 |
| \sh | uh elmo is working :) | 07:15 |
| \sh | and now I see, that Lathiat requested as well wesnoth ;) | 07:16 |
| bddebian | 1.0? | 07:16 |
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| \sh | yes | 07:21 |
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| bddebian | \sh: See, he hates me :-) | 07:28 |
| \sh | bddebian: no | 07:31 |
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| \sh | cheers guys | 07:52 |
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| sistpoty | http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/gpdf_2.10.0-0ubuntu2_to_2.10.0-0ubuntu3.debdiff <- anyone to sponsor upload? | 08:08 |
| dholbach | can do so | 08:09 |
| sistpoty | cool :) | 08:09 |
| siretart | sistpoty: hat got already built on i386 and amd64 ;) | 08:10 |
| sistpoty | yep... i'm only waiting for ppc ;) (ia64 imo has no ghc6 yet) | 08:10 |
| dholbach | sistpoty: did so | 08:11 |
| sistpoty | thx | 08:11 |
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| \sh | azeem | 08:18 |
| \sh | not here anymore | 08:18 |
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| Fuddl | siretart: next quake3 upload to your revu-thing in the next hour :) | 08:25 |
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| siretart | Fuddl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=723 | 08:26 |
| Fuddl | siretart: eh... already fixed that yesterday | 08:27 |
| sistpoty | grrr... hat on ppc dep-waits for nhc98, and i dunno why. eventually this is because of hmake's or'd dependencies :( | 08:27 |
| siretart | :( | 08:28 |
| siretart | Fuddl: ah, in the next hour.. okay | 08:28 |
| hubH | whiprush: your post was funny about "Get out of jail" | 08:28 |
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| hubH | whiprush: it is interesting that often the reason is "I have one of these Airport Extreme card and it does not work under linux" | 08:29 |
| sistpoty | nhc98 is a pita :)... hopefully we won't have to care for it much longer (it's discussed on debian to morgue it) | 08:29 |
| Fuddl | siretart: yepp, dist-upgrade to breezy is currently running | 08:29 |
| siretart | Fuddl: on your main system? cool! :) | 08:31 |
| \sh_away | nick \sh | 08:31 |
| \sh_away | bah | 08:31 |
| Fuddl | siretart: yeah, on MY system... uh... did i forget to mention vmware? ;) | 08:32 |
| sistpoty | lol: "The system has no more ptys. Ask your system administrator to create more." | 08:38 |
| hubH | I think I found a pbuilder problem | 08:39 |
| hubH | pbuilder claim that there is no libxml-parser-perl | 08:39 |
| Fuddl | sistpoty: lol | 08:39 |
| hubH | as "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" fails | 08:40 |
| hubH | but intltool DEPEND on libxml-parser-perl | 08:40 |
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| sistpoty | hubH: then fix that problem ;) maybe the configure[.in] is wrong? or missing build-dep? or outdated pbuilder? | 08:41 |
| hubH | sistpoty: well, the pbuilder as been setup yesterday | 08:42 |
| Fuddl | siretart: btw. what about those .desktop files? are they required for ubuntu? | 08:42 |
| hubH | sistpoty: checking for intltool >= 0.21... 0.33 found | 08:42 |
| hubH | sistpoty: so I question myself | 08:43 |
| hubH | note that I'm complaining I'm just trying to understand | 08:43 |
| \sh | hubH: what is apt-get -s install intltool saying? | 08:43 |
| hubH | intltool is already the newest version. | 08:44 |
| sistpoty | hubH: try to look at configure.in (if configure is generated from it). maybe running the autotools (aclocal, autoconf...) to update files will do the trick | 08:44 |
| hubH | build find outside pbuilder | 08:44 |
| sistpoty | hubH: do you have "standard" autoconf installed? or a newer/older version? | 08:45 |
| hubH | sistpoty: then one in breezy | 08:45 |
| sistpoty | hubH: then i would try to (re)generate autotools files (see above) | 08:47 |
| siretart | Fuddl: there are required for the app beeing available in the kde/gnome menu. | 08:49 |
| siretart | Fuddl: we really do want them, but they are not a prequisite | 08:49 |
| Fuddl | siretart: work in progress[tm] .... | 08:51 |
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| ivoks | hi | 09:22 |
| sistpoty | siretart: do you think a think a build-conflict to nhc98 in hat will solve the dep-wait issue? | 09:23 |
| sistpoty | hi ivoks | 09:23 |
| sistpoty | siretart: hat definitely doesn't need nhc98 to build | 09:23 |
| ivoks | so.. to inform you RHELAS4+update2 installation sucks and... | 09:23 |
| ivoks | it doesn't autodetect my resolution | 09:24 |
| ivoks | go ubuntu! :) | 09:24 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 09:25 |
| siretart | sistpoty: if a package is in dep-wait, you definitly need a buildd admin to kick the package | 09:25 |
| sistpoty | ok | 09:25 |
| ivoks | lol, first update, first problems :) | 09:25 |
| siretart | sistpoty: dep-wait is a state of wanna-build and requires in the current implementation manual interaction in any case. new upload will not help | 09:25 |
| sistpoty | siretart: but will kicking it help w.o. making sure nhc98 gets drawn in? | 09:26 |
| ivoks | Red Hat Network is currently experiencing technical difficulties. - so much about RHN... | 09:27 |
| ivoks | argh... back to Ubuntu | 09:27 |
| ivoks | will be back soon | 09:27 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: is nhc98 installable and working on ppc? if not, it needs to be fixed first | 09:39 |
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| sistpoty | siretart: I'll check... | 09:40 |
| sistpoty | siretart: no, it's i386 only... and it shouldn't be needed at all ;) | 09:41 |
| siretart | Fuddl: dscverify: invalid file length for quake3_1.33.SVN130.orig.tar.gz (wanted 7902070 got 0) | 09:44 |
| siretart | Validation FAILED!! | 09:44 |
| Fuddl | siretart: nnngrrrrr | 09:44 |
| siretart | Fuddl: did you use dput? | 09:44 |
| Fuddl | siretart: nope | 09:44 |
| siretart | Fuddl: it looks to me like the changesfile wasn't uploaded last. use dput to save headaches | 09:45 |
| chillywilly | hi | 09:45 |
| bipolar | ok. if anyone has time we need a sync on mysql-admin. 1.1.3 is out and it's the only version that I've found that works to add user permisisons without major bugs. | 09:45 |
| bipolar | btw... I HATE MS ACCESS..... | 09:45 |
| ivoks | no kidding? :) | 09:46 |
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| Fuddl | siretart: checked the history in lftp, the command is correct, i didn't forget any files. and .dsc was the last file uploaded | 09:46 |
| Fuddl | siretart: btw, the file is still in incoming with the correct size | 09:47 |
| siretart | Fuddl: the CHANGES file needs to be uploaded last. not the dsc | 09:48 |
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| Fuddl | oops | 09:48 |
| Fuddl | :) | 09:48 |
| siretart | Fuddl: USE DPUT! | 09:49 |
| siretart | Fuddl: no need to reupload. did fix the mess for you on tiber.. | 09:50 |
| Fuddl | shall i cancel the upload? | 09:51 |
| siretart | yes | 09:51 |
| siretart | ah, you reuploaded. yes, you can cancel it | 09:51 |
| siretart | Fuddl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=735 | 09:51 |
| Fuddl | hm... linda/lintian weren't too noisy | 09:52 |
| siretart | linda is outdated on tiber. known issue. | 09:53 |
| siretart | Fuddl: nice cleanup on debian/changelog, btw | 09:54 |
| sistpoty | grrr... gpdf failed on amd64 :( | 09:54 |
| Fuddl | siretart: because it got quite long during the last 24 hours? :) | 09:54 |
| siretart | Fuddl: ;) | 09:54 |
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| sistpoty | siretart: i updated linda last night... | 09:55 |
| siretart | Fuddl: just curious, why is the quake3-server available for sparc and powerpc, too but not the quake3 package itself? | 09:55 |
| sistpoty | siretart: maybe it needs an update debian-policy as well? | 09:55 |
| siretart | sistpoty: does it work? last time i tried it, it didn't. there where some python exceptions.. | 09:56 |
| Fuddl | siretart: http://icculus.org/quake3/: "What works: PowerPC, we think." | 09:56 |
| siretart | Fuddl: and the server? | 09:56 |
| siretart | Fuddl: did you try it on your sparc? ;) | 09:56 |
| sistpoty | siretart: erm... sorry, haven't checked :( | 09:57 |
| Fuddl | siretart: somebody should test it on such hardware. no opengl: no problems for the server :) | 09:57 |
| siretart | sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=735 does not show any linda output. seems to work | 09:57 |
| siretart | Fuddl: I'm talking about the server | 09:58 |
| siretart | ah. sure | 09:58 |
| siretart | hm. there are some opengl capable macs. perhaps someone should try ;) | 09:59 |
| Fuddl | yes, that was my idea, too. first try, then give free for other architectures. finding out by bugreports maybe.... "not that cool" ;) | 10:00 |
| Fuddl | hm... let's see if one of the sunnys will boot. i'm curious myself :) | 10:01 |
| siretart | *g* | 10:02 |
| sistpoty | anyone with amd64 to fix gpdf for that? ;) | 10:02 |
| siretart | sistpoty: whats the matter with gpdf? | 10:03 |
| sistpoty | siretart: ftbfs on ia64 and amd64 | 10:03 |
| sistpoty | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gpdf/2.10.0-0ubuntu3/gpdf_2.10.0-0ubuntu3_20051007-1938-amd64-failed.gz | 10:03 |
| tseng | * Fix reading of AC adapter status from /proc/acpi to work with | 10:05 |
| tseng | recent (post 2002) kernels. | 10:05 |
| tseng | funny | 10:05 |
| siretart | Fuddl: advocated (see comment) | 10:06 |
| Fuddl | go quake3, go! :) | 10:08 |
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| siretart | Fuddl: if you find some other advocate, tell him to advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=734 too! | 10:19 |
| siretart | (the -data package) | 10:19 |
| Fuddl | siretart: the question is where to find advocates! here? | 10:21 |
| sistpoty | Fuddl: I'd love to intensely test the package, but i'm no motu (yet) ;) | 10:22 |
| Fuddl | sistpoty: shame on you! :) | 10:22 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:22 |
| siretart | he is almost one :) | 10:22 |
| Fuddl | hm... but perhaps <talking louder>there are some others in here, interested in quake3 in breezy</talking louder> ;) | 10:23 |
| siretart | Fuddl: ppl here are busy with fixing malone bugs. we have order to not process NEW crack | 10:25 |
| siretart | sort of 'order' | 10:26 |
| sistpoty | siretart: actually there is a new target as well: UniverseFTBFS | 10:26 |
| siretart | ah | 10:26 |
| siretart | sistpoty: I think I have a fix for gpdf, just trying to build it | 10:26 |
| Fuddl | it was worth to give it a try... :) | 10:26 |
| sistpoty | siretart: cool, thx :) | 10:26 |
| sistpoty | siretart: not even warnings on i386-build... impossible for me ;) | 10:27 |
| sistpoty | at least no warnings where the errors are *G+ | 10:27 |
| siretart | sistpoty: thats a clear programming error | 10:27 |
| siretart | sistpoty: you cannot assume that void* fits in an int | 10:27 |
| siretart | sistpoty: thats only valid on 32bit archs | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | yep | 10:28 |
| sistpoty | damn... atlas3 is building forever :( | 10:28 |
| siretart | sistpoty: how are the lists generated? | 10:29 |
| sistpoty | siretart: dholbach did these... | 10:29 |
| siretart | okay | 10:29 |
| Fuddl | ... and trying to fix the int<->*void stuff leads straight to hell... | 10:29 |
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| siretart | Fuddl: sometime it is sufficient to make the temporary variable in that method to long | 10:31 |
| siretart | sometimes, I know | 10:31 |
| neighborlee | What is the preferred route to getting a .deb into universe ? | 10:32 |
| Fuddl | siretart: i thought of that "little" mistake in the cube/sauerbraten engine... | 10:32 |
| tseng | upload to revu | 10:32 |
| neighborlee | I was asked by our project head to get our packages into ubuntu thus.. | 10:32 |
| neighborlee | tseng, hi there..may I ask where this revu is ? | 10:32 |
| ivoks | dholbach, dholbach... :) | 10:32 |
| tseng | its in the topic | 10:33 |
| neighborlee | tseng, I read howto's online but I must have missed this revu you speak of ;( | 10:33 |
| ivoks | dholbach: ping | 10:33 |
| dholbach | im on the phone | 10:33 |
| tseng | neighborlee: /topic | 10:33 |
| neighborlee | checking | 10:33 |
| tseng | http://revu.tauware.de | 10:33 |
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| neighborlee | tseng, is my login going to be my wiki username or do I have to create a new one... | 10:35 |
| tseng | create | 10:35 |
| neighborlee | ok | 10:35 |
| tseng | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 10:36 |
| neighborlee | yup thx | 10:36 |
| neighborlee | tseng, thank you for your assitance | 10:40 |
| tseng | np good luck | 10:40 |
| neighborlee | :) | 10:40 |
| tseng | what package are you working on btw | 10:40 |
| neighborlee | sorry was in annother channel | 10:44 |
| neighborlee | possible packages from : delta3d.org | 10:44 |
| neighborlee | we use it as our game engine thus | 10:45 |
| neighborlee | and I was asked if I"d try to get our packages into ubuntu | 10:45 |
| neighborlee | by one of the project leads behind the project | 10:45 |
| neighborlee | by one of the project leads | 10:46 |
| neighborlee | dain I need to eat something lol | 10:46 |
| neighborlee | gotta reboot for new services..bbs | 10:48 |
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| Fuddl | siretart: still there? | 11:05 |
| siretart | mom | 11:09 |
| Fuddl | siretart: while i was smoking... i... made a desicion... i'll do the games stuff if you still need me | 11:11 |
| dholbach | excellent! MOTUGames! :) | 11:12 |
| ivoks | omg zorp | 11:12 |
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| Fuddl | bbl | 11:23 |
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| siretart | yay. gpdf builds on amd64 now :) | 11:36 |
| siretart | uploaded. now for compiler stuff | 11:37 |
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| siretart | fuddl: of course we need and want YOU! (wb, btw) | 11:59 |
| siretart | fuddl: it just that we are releasing in 1 week ;) | 11:59 |
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