[01:12] <mhz> moin
[01:12] <mhz> ogra, breezy-install-i386.iso
[01:12] <mhz>    675626776  98%   19.89kB/s    0:09:3942
[01:12] <mhz> we're getting closer to the truth :D
[01:12] <ogra> phew
[01:13] <ogra> but it didnt really speed up :/
[01:13] <mhz> nop
[01:15] <mhz> it gave some time to make sure I can make DHCP work (by myself), though
[01:24] <mhz>    687157248 100%   28.27kB/s    6:35:33  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[01:24] <mhz> cool!
[01:26] <mhz> correction:/me is sent to get the laundry :(
[01:45] <mhz> re
[02:51] <mhz> re
[04:40] <mhz> re
[04:41] <arkanox_> hi mhz 
[11:37] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[02:38] <hyperactivecrond> hey al
[02:38] <hyperactivecrond> all`
[02:45] <spacey_ki> moin
[03:43] <Yagisan> ogra: the patch I sent you is also here http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297
[03:44] <ogra> Yagisan, thanks, i already forwarded it to mdz for inclusion in dapper
[03:45] <Yagisan> ogra: hey - your here - I hoped for some feedback - I didn't get you eairlier - so I stuck it on bugzilla
[03:46] <ogra> i wont test it now, to much weird stuff to solve for release now... 
[03:46] <Yagisan> I'm planning to test out with qemu for non-trivial multi-client-arch support soon
[03:46] <Yagisan> no worries
[03:46] <ogra> and it wont get accepted 5 days before release for the current one
[03:47] <Yagisan> I was expecting dapper for that
[03:47] <ogra> yup
[03:48] <ogra> mdz has a bazaar tree for bleeding edge stuff... you might want to branch it :)
[03:48] <Yagisan> do you get an error about being unable to write to volotile on boot and no non-free kernel modules ?
[03:48] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/archives/matt.zimmerman@canonical.com/
[03:49] <ogra> i dont use nonfree kernel modules, but to my knowledge volatile is bind mounted from the server anyway
[03:49] <Yagisan> I'll see if I can grab a log
[03:49] <Yagisan> wait - volotile is bind mounted ?
[03:50] <ogra> i think so...
[03:50] <Yagisan> that won't work with multi-client-arches well
[03:51] <Yagisan> thanks for sending my patch to mdz
[04:06] <mhz_ed> morning
[04:07] <mhz_ed> ogra, ping?
[04:07] <Yagisan> G'day
[04:07] <ogra> mhz_ed, hi
[04:07] <mhz_ed> gd, Yagisan 
[04:09] <mhz_ed> few weeks ago I was talking about edubuntu to one of the guys in Tecnocimiento. All the time our conversation lasted, he thought I was talking about a guy named Edward Ubuntu, leader of an educational project based on Debian :D
[04:09] <mhz_ed> I couldn't help the laughter when he confessed that
[04:10] <mhz_ed> he had even googled about edward ubuntu LOL
[04:11] <mhz_ed> ogra, so, here i am with your iso installed onto this box. My interfaces are eth0 -> web | eth1 -> local net (192.168.0.1 as ip and gw)
[04:11] <ogra> the install went errorfree ? 
[04:11] <mhz_ed> is ti just a matter or booting clients now, or there's a service I should restart?
[04:11] <mhz_ed> YES!!!
[04:12] <ogra> yay
[04:12] <mhz_ed> I can't tell you how happy I was at 3:30 AM
[04:12] <mhz_ed> but I was dead sleepy so I went to bed
[04:13] <ogra> with this ip stuff you should just restart dhcpd and all should be fine
[04:13] <mhz_ed> okidoki.
[04:13] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart iirc
[04:14] <mhz_ed> what I did do, is that at installing time I only configed eth1 and omitted eth0 in order to avoid possible conflicts
[04:14] <ogra> ah, ok, then it should run already
[04:14] <mhz_ed> hehe, yes. After more than 30 diff tries, stopin, starting services I can manage well :D
[04:15] <mhz_ed> me booting thin laptop  now... let's see
[04:15] <mhz_ed> heheh.. booting
[04:15] <ogra> great
[04:15] <ogra> :)
[04:16] <mhz_ed> let's see once scripts finish if we can work
[04:16] <mhz_ed> hmmm....
[04:16] <mhz_ed> * starting RAID..
[04:16] <mhz_ed> * calculating module dependencies
[04:17] <mhz_ed> oopppps, a couple of warnings about LTSP
[04:17] <mhz_ed> Fialure initializing /etc/net...
[04:17] <ogra> thats normal
[04:17] <mhz_ed> I see an X, I see an X!!!
[04:17] <mhz_ed> yahooooooooooooo
[04:17] <ogra> its caused by read only filesystem
[04:18] <mhz_ed> username:
[04:18] <mhz_ed> gooooogle!!
[04:18] <mhz_ed> what username??
[04:19] <ogra> the one you configured on install ? 
[04:19] <ogra> or another one you created afterwards, as you like :)
[04:19] <mhz_ed> oh, only that one, duh!
[04:20] <mhz_ed> ogra, so, I could also install a lighter desktop and it all should run smoothly?
[04:20] <ogra> you lo in to the normal desktop session like you would if you were directly on the server, so all you do there will be reflected by it
[04:20] <ogra> sure
[04:20] <ogra> note that we start the default Xsessio... 
[04:21] <ogra> you might have to uninstall other sessions... session selection is planned for next release only..
[04:21] <mhz_ed> no problem. So I could disable GDM and force users to use a preconfiged .xinitrc ??
[04:21] <ogra> (or create a ~/.xsession file)
[04:22] <ogra> do that in ~/.xsession... not .xinitrc :)
[04:22] <ogra> and what you see is not gdm ;) 
[04:22] <Yagisan> sdm
[04:22] <ogra> ldm ;)
[04:22] <Yagisan> close
[04:22] <Yagisan> ?dm :)
[04:22] <mhz_ed> educool
[04:23] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[04:23] <ogra> ^^ has a preview and install instructions for the upcoming changes
[04:23] <mhz_ed> ogra, let me say this: You have been doing a hell of a Job (literally)
[04:23] <ogra> thanks :)
[04:23] <mhz_ed> it's pure truth
[04:24] <ogra> i still need fixes to go in that mdz doesnt allow currently... we're still fighting
[04:24] <ogra> i.e. PATH is wrong...
[04:24] <mhz_ed> hence I insist: ."a hell of a job"
[04:24] <ogra> (no /usr/games... try to run a game)
[04:24] <mhz_ed> :D
[04:24] <Yagisan> ogra: I did - no wesnoth :(
[04:25] <ogra> its there, just the patch is wrong :(
[04:25] <mhz_ed> no such file
[04:25] <ogra> s/patch/path
[04:25] <mhz_ed> :)
[04:25] <ogra> yes
[04:25] <ogra> all DMs set it on login, only ldm doesnt... mdz doesnt answer to my change request :(
[04:26] <mhz_ed> anyways we can "speak in the dark" with him?
[04:26] <ogra> nah...
[04:26] <ogra> he just wants the *right* fix for that and thinks it should be done in ssh... i disagree, we have to fight this out ;)
[04:27] <mhz_ed> what if he suddenly sufferen and accident?
[04:27] <Yagisan> why does he think it's sshs problem ?
[04:27] <ogra> then i'd take it over, but it would use its best developer and inventor :)
[04:27] <mhz_ed> :D
[04:28] <ogra> because ssh should set the environment on login in his opinoin...
[04:28] <mhz_ed> oh, by the way... yesterday, my DHCP server setting did not work thruough my dlink router. Today I booted via crossover rj45
[04:28] <ogra> but all othr DMs set it before attempting to login in X so i think the same behavior is right for ldm and ssh
[04:29] <ogra> i have 4 switches between my client and server... shouldnt be an issue
[04:31] <Yagisan> I'd agree with you that ldm should set it. It is then consistent with all other DMs. If he disagrees - he should file a bug on the other DMs
[04:31] <mhz_ed> hmmm, and how do I turned clients off?
[04:32] <Yagisan> mhz_ed: log out and power button
[04:32] <mhz_ed> Yagisan, I did that but I get back to ldm
[04:33] <Yagisan> hold down power button for about 4 seconds
[04:33] <mhz_ed> hehehehehe
[04:33] <mhz_ed> oh, you mean "force them done"
[04:33] <mhz_ed> oh, you mean "force them down
[04:33] <Yagisan> I'd like shutdown -h as a local app myself
[04:33] <Yagisan> yeah - force them down
[04:33] <Yagisan> at the ldm screen your not going to lose data
[04:34] <Yagisan> just pretend its DOS
[04:35] <ogra> i'll add a shutdown option to ldm in dapper
[04:35] <mhz_ed> :( Nope, it won't boot using the dlink in between
[04:35] <mhz_ed> not even dhcp passes
[04:36] <ogra> thats very strange
[04:36] <mhz_ed> yes
[04:36] <ogra> you dont use the crosslik cable on to the router ? 
[04:36] <ogra> s/on//
[04:36] <mhz_ed> nnnnoooop
[04:36] <mhz_ed> hehehe
[04:37] <ogra> try it, probably it helps ;)
[04:37] <ogra> no really, its quite strange
[04:37] <mhz_ed> but it always worked ok
[04:37] <mhz_ed> ah, but worked ok with no dhcp server set by then
[04:38] <mhz_ed> could it be that my eth1 is sharing gw IP
[04:38] <ogra> oh, yes, you shouldnt run two in one net... except configured as repeating server
[04:38] <mhz_ed> sahring = using
[04:39] <mhz_ed> and how can I set 2 ips to same eth1
[04:40] <ogra> ifconfig eth1:0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[04:40] <ogra> and add a route...
[04:40] <mhz_ed> or is it eth1 = 192.168.0.2 and the router must have 192.168.0.1
[04:40] <mhz_ed> ?
[04:40] <ogra> what is the router ? a standalone one ? 
[04:40] <mhz_ed> router is dLink
[04:41] <ogra> and has a static ip ? 
[04:41] <mhz_ed> dunno
[04:41] <mhz_ed> never touched it
[04:41] <ogra> i would give it 192.168.0.1 as static ip... 
[04:42] <mhz_ed> yep, and how?
[04:42] <ogra> doesnt it have a web interface to configure it ? 
[04:42] <mhz_ed> want me to google?
[04:42] <mhz_ed> oh, i think it does
[04:42] <ogra> i mean, how do you configure to dial in with it ? 
[04:43] <mhz_ed> it has an Ip I can access and get to a web interface
[04:43] <mhz_ed> but i ave never dialed in
[04:43] <ogra> so what does it route then ? 
[04:44] <mhz_ed> actually, now that you mention it, it's there to let me give other machines web access, only
[04:44] <mhz_ed> like a HUB
[04:50] <mhz_ed> ogra, current Motorola IPS Modem IP is 192.168.100.1
[04:51] <mhz_ed> ogra, few minutes ago you suggested: ifconfig eth1:0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xx
[04:51] <mhz_ed> aslo: and add a route..
[04:51] <ogra> yes, if you need two IPs on one interface
[04:52] <ogra> eth1:0 is an alias for eth1
[04:52] <mhz_ed> by doing so, I can give eth1: ...1 and eth1:0 ...2 ?  being 1 the gw and 2 the ip?
[04:52] <ogra> why ? 
[04:53] <mhz_ed> I need my clients to boot from server and have web acces, right?
[04:54] <ogra> you need your clients to boot from the server... nothing more or the clients... dont forget, you log in directly on the server
[04:54] <ogra> s/or/on/
[04:55] <mhz_ed> duh1!right
[04:55] <ogra> so if you have eth0->web & eth1->thin client network, you boot the client on eth1's network, lo in via ssh -X on the server and access the web through eth0 directly from there
[04:55] <ogra> s/lo/log/
[04:56] <mhz_ed> absolutely right
[04:56] <ogra> it all happens on the server, eth1 is only for low level stuff to the clients...
[04:56] <ogra> no routig required....
[04:56] <mhz_ed> uh, but then I forgot about my wife.
[04:57] <mhz_ed> she uses MS
[04:57] <ogra> and is on the eth0 network ? 
[04:57] <mhz_ed> she used to have static ip 192... and set 192...1 as gw so she go out
[04:58] <ogra> fine...
[05:01] <mhz_ed> hmm, I am getting errors from this reps. deb http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:01] <mhz_ed> deb-src http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:01] <ogra> heh, breezy-backports ???
[05:02] <mhz_ed> it was there and I said, why not?
[05:02] <mhz_ed> I don't want it?
[05:02] <ogra> from where should they come ? a vaporware archive ? 
[05:03] <ogra> there is nothing from where you could backport something to breezy yet ;)
[05:03] <mhz_ed> LOL
[05:08] <Yagisan> ogra - well *cough* *cough* I have some breezy-backports :)
[05:09] <ogra> Yagisan, from which dapper did you get it :p ?
[05:09] <Yagisan> from my list of "it's to late for breezy" :)
[05:09] <Yagisan> s/to/too
[05:10] <Yagisan> includes multi-client-support, action games etc :-P
[07:47] <stockholm> jane_: there?
[11:05] <mhz_ed> re
[11:05] <mhz_ed> ogra, E.T. phone home
[11:31] <mhz_ed> ogra, ping?
[11:43] <fersfeir> Hi, i try to install edubuntu an get the error http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/1127/initrdtools1xa.png and cat /target/var.....  is http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7377/bootstraplog0zd.png
[11:43] <fersfeir> some idea about the error?
[11:45] <fersfeir> i am using the image http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/5.10/edubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso
[11:55] <hno73> crimsun: ping
[11:56] <hno73> I've put up a test of the new wiki skin at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[11:56] <hno73> anyone want to test?
[11:56] <hno73> (anyone else around this late on a Saturday? :) )
[11:58] <fersfeir> well....
[11:58] <fersfeir> second try
[12:00] <mhz_ed> hno73, hey, nice to see you, long time.
[12:00] <hno73> mhz_ed: hey!
[12:00] <hno73> want to test my new wiki skin? :)
[12:00] <mhz_ed> of course! been waiting for it
[12:00] <hno73> how are things?
[12:00] <mhz_ed> better
[12:01] <mhz_ed> lot better
[12:01] <mhz_ed> :)
[12:01] <hno73> so go to the main wiki, and select the edubuntu skin
[12:01] <mhz_ed> but still no money, just volunteering
[12:01] <hno73> good
[12:01] <hno73> right
[12:03] <mhz_ed> hehehe, I had forgot password :( duh!