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fuddlsiretart: that's why debian has variable release cycles - you're never under pressure ;)12:03
fuddlbtw, that f***cking ship-it amd64 install cd is absolutely unreadable for any cd drive... *grrr*12:03
siretartfuddl: cd's can get scratched.. :(12:04
siretartwb sistpoty12:04
sistpotyre ;)12:04
sistpotysiretart: thx for fixing gpdf12:05
siretartfuddl: no. with debian, you are even more under pressure: because you have to support your broken stuff way longer12:05
siretartsistpoty: I'm happy if I can help :)12:05
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fuddlfunny, the beer-bathed, sticking and scratched cd-rw did the job, jiieehaaa!12:06
jmgis it more important to me to fix kubuntu breezy or kde 3.5b112:08
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jmgwhen breezy is released we can put 3.5 in kubuntu-updates yes?12:09
fuddlsiretart: can use breezy for a production system?12:09
fuddlsiretart: in fact, "the daily job" my computer has to do for me...12:09
sistpotyfuddl: I've been using it for quite some time... and there are no big annoyances for me now :)12:10
sistpotyfuddl: like xorg having been b0rked ;)12:10
fuddlsistpoty: i'll take this as an "ok, no problem" :)12:11
sistpotyfuddl: yep... didn't start debian/unstable for some weeks now :)12:11
fuddl... waiting for upgrade finishing...12:11
siretartfuddl: absolutly. we have just released the preview, and in main, there shouldn't be any grave changes anymore12:12
fuddlsiretart: i hope this FOR YOU! ;)12:12
sistpotyhehe12:12
siretartfuddl: if you still find some bugs in some obscure window manager in universe, we can have a more relaxed upload policy than main12:12
siretartfuddl: ;) - what was your windowmanager again?12:13
dholbach:)12:13
dholbachwhich one is it?12:13
fuddlsiretart: xfce is important, can't survive without it!!!12:13
dholbachand there's an xfce team already :)12:13
dholbachwoohoo12:13
siretartthe xfce team did a great job for breezy!12:13
siretartfuddl: there is xubuntu, ubuntu with xfce desktop ;)12:13
fuddloh, then i'll wait for cubuntu - console ubuntu12:14
fuddl:)12:14
siretartfuddl: we have that already (try server at install cd)12:14
sistpotybah... how about rpubuntu as in ratpoison-ubuntu?12:15
siretarthrhr12:15
fuddli did the mighty "expert" way, but i still had to kill the bastard trying to install gnome and stuff after the first reboot. can't leave that thing alone for five minutes!12:15
siretartfuddl: ? - i just did an 'server' breezy install in vmware a few hours ago. nothing of gnome was installed12:16
fuddldoes the libc6  in breezy have the same can't-resolve-ipv6-bug as in debian unstable?12:16
fuddlsiretart: me expert, you server :)12:17
fuddli guess there's a difference and they're not just synonyms for each other12:17
siretartI disabled ipv6 here, because of the glanzmann tunnels broken. I know that we have a bit a different libc6, so there are chances for your ipv6 bug12:17
siretartfuddl: the expert install was renamed to server, I think12:18
dholbachyou may want to talk to fabbione, who will tell you that the implemenation of ipv6 is *standard*, only that some broken firewalls / broken nameservers f.ck the whole thing up :)12:18
dholbachonly firefox seems to circumvent that in some cases (which seems buggy too)12:19
=== dholbach just overheard a conversation some days ago :)
fuddlfirefox and ssh12:20
fuddli'll be out for a cigarette. bbl12:20
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sistpotydholbach: atlas3 should be synced from unstable to fix ftbfs... the newer version was pretty much done to have it compile with gcc4 :)12:22
dholbachcool12:23
sistpotydholbach: however there is a huge number of depends on atlas3, so I can't say it will/will not break anything12:23
dholbachthanks for checking that :)12:23
sistpotydholbach: took 5-6h to compile :=12:23
sistpoty:)12:23
dholbachhmmmmmmmm12:23
dholbachthat's pretty tough to decide12:24
sistpotychangelog is: (some lines follow)12:24
sistpoty * Have gcc 4.0 and greater recognized as a good compiler in config.c12:24
sistpoty  * Remove bx from the clobber list in camm_dpa.h as is explicitly pushed12:24
sistpoty    and restored12:24
sistpoty  * static proclamation syntax change to uumtst.c12:24
sistpoty  * Slightly modify ATL_F77wrap_tr{m,s}v.c to work around gcc 4.0 bug when12:24
sistpoty    using -fomit-frame-pointer12:24
sistpoty  * Now can build with gcc >=4.0, Closes: #315908.12:24
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dholbachand it was no upstream change at all?12:25
dholbachjust a new debian revision?12:25
sistpotyyep from -19 to -2012:25
dholbachthat sounds pretty safe12:25
sistpotyi did a fast test with a prog depending on it... that worked. but that doesn't say other things are broken12:26
dholbachclearly12:26
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bddebianHeya gang12:27
dholbachif i update libraries (new upstream version), i always check the output of    nm -D /usr/lib/libbla.so    of the new and old library12:27
sistpotyhi bddebian12:27
dholbachbut that doesnt say much either12:27
dholbachwhen was that change in debian?12:28
dholbachany serious bug reports since then?12:28
bddebianHello Stefan and Daniel12:28
dholbachhey bddebian12:28
dholbachhow are you? :)12:28
sistpotydholbach: 28 Sep... so not very old. apart from that last build for ubuntu was with gcc-3.3 :(12:28
bddebiandholbach: OK, thx. You?12:29
dholbachbddebian: a bit tired, but ok, thanks :)12:29
sistpotydholbach: however there is just two minor/whishlist bugs for atlas3 in BTS... you decide :)12:31
dholbachsistpoty: you better ask somebody more conservative ;)12:32
sistpotyok, I'll try my luck in -devel then ;)12:32
bddebiandholbach: Do you want us to mark main packages as such?  Remove them from the list, what?12:40
dholbachif main packages didnt build after the testbuild, we should check whats going wrong :)12:41
bddebianHey, that's THEIR problem. ;-)12:41
dholbachhaha :)12:41
bddebianI think this is pointless12:45
sistpotywow apt-cache can generate dot files :)12:50
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Diablo-D3back.12:50
Diablo-D3Hey guys, is there a repo for the next ubuntu version yet?12:50
dholbachwhich one?12:52
dholbachbreezy?12:52
dholbachnow please don't say dapper12:52
dholbachwe're quite busy enough to get ONE release fixed up at the same time ;)12:53
Diablo-D3breezy+112:53
dholbachno we're all busy with getting breezy done12:56
Diablo-D3Okay.12:56
bddebiandholbach: Speak for yourself ;-P01:01
dholbachbddebian: so you're hacking on dapper already... well that's nice, could you please backport your fixes, then? kthxbye01:01
Diablo-D3hah01:02
bddebiandholbach: No, I just meant someone is working... ;-P01:02
=== dholbach should go to bed now
bddebianGnight dholbach01:03
=== bddebian pokes ajmitch
sistpotygn8 dholbach01:04
dholbachnight guys :)01:04
dholbachROCK ON01:04
bddebianUh-oh01:05
=== bddebian just discovered XGalaga ;-)
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KyralSo what does FTBFS day mean?01:10
dholbachapt-get install bsdgames; wtf ftbfs01:11
KyralI know what FTBFS means01:11
KyralI wanna mean what do we do on FTBFS day01:11
dholbachah ok01:11
dholbach:)01:11
dholbachit's the day where we fix all the FTBFS01:11
sistpotydholbach: read ogras decision?01:11
Kyralah01:11
Kyralso Apt-Source them and fix'em?01:12
sistpotyKyral: yep. or check for a newer debian version that fixes them as well01:12
Kyraldibs on i386 :D01:12
wombleAnd here I was thinking that FTBFS day was when you upgraded all the buildds to a new GCC version and watch the FTBFS roll in...01:12
dholbachsistpoty: judging from the changelog it sounds fairly safe01:13
dholbachwomble: haha01:13
sistpotydholbach: and there is only one rdepend that can't be covered by refblas3 from main :)01:13
dholbachsistpoty: i dont quite understand01:14
KyralShould I tackle g++-4.0?01:14
bddebianKyral: Except they all have rdepends and cant get updated anyway.. :-)01:14
Kyralrdepends?01:14
sistpotydholbach: almost all of the rdepends are refblas3 | atlas3-base... (with refblas3 being in main)01:14
dholbachoh hm01:15
dholbachdunno01:15
dholbach*shrug*01:15
sistpotyogra said it's ok then... but i don't want to keep you from going to bed ;)01:15
dholbachthank you... have a nice evening :)01:15
sistpotygn8 :)01:16
bddebianGnight again dholbach :-)01:16
sistpotyKyral: reverse dependencies... packages that depend on this package01:16
bddebianKyral: Reverse Depends.  Packages that depend on a package01:16
Kyralchimatta....gdesklets doesn't have a source package to begin with...01:16
sistpotylol bddebian01:16
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Kyralwhats the SID source line...01:17
ajmitchhi01:17
sistpotyKyral: "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib" (replace with your debian server), but you might check http://packages.debian.org/whateveryourpackageis01:18
sistpotyhi ajmitch01:18
KyralBah its complaining that the Sid isn't verified01:19
Kyralwell....sid does have a source package for gdesklets01:20
bddebianHeya ajmitch01:20
KyralThis should be easy, I just make a change in the changelog and then repackage it?01:21
sistpotyKyral: if you don't actually change anything, then this shouldn't be uploaded but a sync requested instead01:22
KyralOh...how do I do that./..01:22
sistpotyKyral: otherwise we'll have to manually merge it when sid is completely synced to universe01:22
sistpotyKyral: write a mail to elmo... or tell a motu to request it from elmo ;)01:23
fuddlre01:23
Kyralwell it doesn't because I'm getting a permission denied on dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot01:23
bddebiansudo01:24
KyralSince when do I have to sudo that thing?01:24
bddebianSince you started using Ubuntu?01:24
KyralI meant I never had to when I have done anything in that dir before01:25
Kyralanyway, I'm off!01:25
bddebianGrr, I quit (AGAIN)..01:25
sistpotybddebian: why?01:26
ajmitchbye bddebian01:26
bddebianbye ajmitch ;-)01:26
sistpotycya Kyral01:26
bddebiansistpoty: xgalaga builds find locally but not in pbuilder.  Can't find the X stuff :-(01:26
ajmitchI hope you have fun doing whatever it is you plan to do01:26
ajmitchbddebian: opensuse?01:27
sistpotybddebian: make it build again!!! we really need xgalaga to be in good shape for dapper ;)01:27
sistpotydamn... editing 4 wiki pages sucks... we should try to merge these pages next time01:29
bddebianajmitch: Are you trying to get rid of me again? :-)01:37
sistpotyok, time for me to go to bed... gn801:38
bddebianGnight sistpoty01:38
ajmitchbddebian: of course, I try & get rid of everyone around here01:39
bddebianLooks like it worked ;-)01:43
ajmitchhah01:46
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ajmitchso.. hungry01:58
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=== bddebian hands ajmitch a cheesesteak :-)
tsengyum02:02
tsengPA style death on a plate02:02
bddebianw00h0002:03
tsengill take one02:03
bddebianwit? ;-)02:03
tsengsauteed onions, mayo, ketchup02:03
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ajmitchmy heart has stopped just thinking about it02:04
tsengwho needs a heart, anyway02:04
bddebianYeah02:05
tsengnot pennsylvanians02:05
bddebianI'm already killing my lungs, why stop there? :-)02:05
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tsengheart failure doesnt scare us02:06
bddebiantseng: Wherabouts are you at anyway?02:06
tsengWest Chester02:06
tsengan hour from philly lets say02:06
bddebianAh yes, I know where West Chester is.  You aren't all that far from me then02:07
tsenghow far is that02:07
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bddebianajmitch: Why, do you have gas? ;)02:08
ajmitchsure :P02:08
bddebiantseng: I'm in Schwenksville.  Near Collegeville.02:08
tsengnever heard02:08
ajmitchgreat names there02:08
bddebianUhm, just west of Valley Forge?02:08
tsengvalley forge is near KOP right02:09
bddebianYep02:09
tsenghow far are you from there?02:09
bddebianJust about 10 miles up 42202:09
tsengelite02:09
tsengyou might make my place going 30 minutes south on 202 from KOP02:10
bddebianWell I drive to Philly everyday for work :-(02:10
tsengthat sucks02:10
bddebianNo kidding02:10
tsengi am going to philly next week with my dad02:10
tsengi got him stones tickets02:10
bddebianTook me over 1.5 hourse to get home tonight :-(02:10
bddebian-e02:10
ajmitchheh02:11
ajmitch< 10 minutes walk for me to get to work02:11
bddebianNice02:11
tsengrolling stones for the kids in the room02:11
bddebianheh02:11
tsengbddebian: been to the wachovia center?02:11
bddebianNot yet.  I've only seen the Phillies so far since we've been here02:12
bddebianAnd I don't even like baseball :-(02:12
tsengheh alot of my coworkers go to the eagles02:12
tsengyou probably work near me also, i work in Wilmington02:13
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tsengwhich isnt too far on 95 from wachovia and all that02:13
tsengthe airport02:13
bddebianAye.  I'm right by the airport.02:13
tsengoh elite02:13
bddebianYou know where Oasis is?02:14
tsengnope.02:14
tsengyahoo suggests its a resteraunt02:15
bddebianUhm, something like that ;-)02:15
ajmitchprobably some dodgy startup02:15
bddebianI'm at 7800 Holstein02:16
bddebianajmitch: It's a "Gentlemens Club"02:16
ajmitchhah02:16
tsengand you're the entertainment?02:16
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bddebianNo I'm close to Oasis.  I work at Ottens Flavors02:16
tsengoh yum02:17
tsengyou make02:17
tsengCherry Cola  ?02:17
tsengamong other things02:18
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bddebianWe would make the cherry that goes in the Cola yes02:18
tsengoh =/02:18
bddebianOr Vanilla, or chocolate, etc02:18
ajmitchand you're the IT guy?02:18
tsenghe's the elite chemistry wizz02:19
ajmitchah, the bomb maker02:19
ajmitchright02:19
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tsenghttp://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20051002.ars02:19
tsengthis is really cool02:20
tsenglast week a coworker and i "rev engineered" aim with pcap, tethereal, and.. grep02:20
ajmitchI was just about expecting it to be a whiprush article02:20
tsengthis is alot slicker02:20
tsenghm not this time :P02:20
tsengbut that binding is really slick02:21
tsengi cant wait to show off w/ it next week02:21
bddebianajmitch: Aye, I am "IT Manager".. whoopee02:21
tsengit would have been perfect for my duplicate syn tester02:21
tsengwhere the firewall never tore down tcp connections02:22
tsengbbiab02:22
bddebianLaterz02:22
ajmitchyeah I think I need breakfast soon02:23
=== ajmitch was glad to hear that manual elmo sync requests will go away with the switch to LP
Diablo-D3elmo?02:33
Diablo-D3LP?02:33
ajmitchyes02:33
=== Diablo-D3 edits that to nsync
Diablo-D3so now we have elmo listening to an nsync LP.02:33
Diablo-D3the ultimate weapon in the war against intelligence.02:34
ajmitchyeah, funny02:34
zygatseng: very interesting article :)02:50
zygatseng: are you on the ruby team? :)02:50
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bddebianHeya LaserJock03:27
LaserJockhi bddebian03:27
bddebianOh, what's the point of trying to fix all these FTBFSs when most of them can't go in anyway?? :-(03:27
tsengzyga: nope03:28
LaserJockyeah, what's up with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 . Is that really a list of packages that FTBFS?03:28
tsengzyga: i am still getting my feetwet with ruby, i am a php and tcl programmer by day03:28
bddebianLaserJock: Yes03:28
tsengzyga: expect, snmp, if its scary i probably do it03:28
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tsenghaha03:29
zyga(I did want to learn ruby recently)03:29
tsengit has a few cool tricks03:29
zygayes it does :)03:29
tsengwithout the whole "wtf is that?" effect of perl tricks03:29
tsengits somewhat readable03:29
tsenghere is a cool script i did03:30
tsenghttp://tseng.ath.cx/walk.rb03:30
zygatseng: ruby had to get something wrong though03:30
LaserJockbddebian: I don't get it, aren't a lot of the FTBFS packages in the repo? and working03:30
zygatseng: hey, let's recycle that old pascal syntax - yay03:30
tsengim too young to know anything about pascal03:30
bddebianLaserJock: Yes03:31
tseng(fortunately?)03:31
bddebianWho needs any of it when there's COBOL!! ;-P03:31
zygatseng: ??03:31
zygatseng: how old are you if I may ask03:31
tseng2003:31
bddebianDoh03:31
bddebianI couldn't even take ya for a drink! ;-)03:32
ajmitchbddebian: don't worry granddad ;)03:32
zygatseng: I'm 23 but I did used to write stuff in pascal03:32
bddebianajmitch: Heh03:32
tsengbddebian: yay, Straight Edge03:32
zygaahh pretty dos times03:32
zygano memory protection ;)03:32
tsenghm i started with BASIC03:32
bddebiantseng: Straight Edge?03:32
tsengskipped right over pascal :)03:32
ajmitchtseng: same here03:33
ajmitchno point learning pascal03:33
zygatseng: argg.. basic hurts ;)03:33
ajmitchespecially when we had the power of qbasic03:33
zygamy friend still claims it's the best language ;-)03:33
tsengbddebian: GOTO 1003:33
zygapascal had crappy nazi typing03:33
tsenger, zyga03:33
bddebianHeh03:33
zygatseng: (he makes websites alot - customers don't care)03:34
tsengbddebian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge03:34
Diablo-D3hah you said nazis.03:34
ajmitchDiablo-D3: yes, he did03:35
bddebiantseng: Ah03:36
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bddebianDamn, no matter what I do, I can't get libzvt to find libpangox-1.0.so03:37
zygabddebian: autoconf?03:38
ajmitchbddebian: it looks to be so out of date that it's not worth it03:38
bddebianajmitch: This is from Debian03:39
bddebianNot that it's any newer03:39
ajmitchversion?03:40
LaserJockbddebian: so how can we install binarys from this FTBFS list? Are they previous builds?03:40
bddebian2.01cvs20021009-403:40
bddebianLaserJock: Most likely03:40
ajmitchbddebian: right, so 3 years old03:42
bddebianajmitch: So it should be morgued?03:42
ajmitchdunno :)03:43
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Diablo-D3http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/10/opensolaris-gives-foss-community.html04:24
ajmitchplease don't spam urls in multiple channels04:25
Diablo-D3ajmitch: you're stalking me!04:26
ajmitchdon't be stupid04:27
Diablo-D3ssstttaaalllkkkeeeerrr!04:27
tsengseriously.04:40
Diablo-D3well, atleast Im popular enough to have my own stalker now.04:40
ajmitchtrust me, you're not04:41
Diablo-D3bah04:41
tsengi dont need you screwing around with the motus04:41
Diablo-D3then quit stalking me.04:41
tsengi have a 0 bullshit tolerance policy04:41
tsengask bddebian :)04:41
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ajmitchmy tolerance level is rapidly dropping this week04:41
Diablo-D3tseng: but what if they're hot chick motus?04:42
ajmitchseriously, just be quiet unless you've got something on-topic04:42
tsengmakes no difference to me.04:42
Diablo-D3Bah.04:42
Diablo-D3wait, we have hot chick motus?04:43
tsengnot yet, but we dont need you scaring them off with that kind of talk04:43
Diablo-D3damn! >_<04:43
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zakamehi all04:57
bddebianHeya zakame04:59
zakamebddebian, hello =)05:00
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TMMcan someone please take a look at the comment on my package here? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=72105:09
Lathiati'd like ot sync synce-dccm new version from debian, fixes a bug in some soudn stuff (malone #2738) -- but i can't test it and it also has a minor usptream version update05:09
Lathiatanyone use synce?05:09
TMMI want to know how I can actually do that :) the only change is the removal of 2 files from a makefile05:09
LathiatTMM: do what, exactly ?05:16
Lathiatthe debian/patches stuff ?05:16
ajmitchTMM: you know how to use dpatch?05:17
TMMajmitch, no, I don't05:17
ajmitchand please make sure you do include the orig.tar.gz otherwise we cannot review it or build it05:17
TMMLathiat, I removed AUTHORS, COPYING etc from the Makefile as dh_install_doc does it05:17
ajmitchwhy did you remove them from the makefile?05:18
Lathiatsiretart: ping05:18
TMMajmitch, because make install made sure it was somehow copied to /usr/share/doc directly05:18
ajmitchlooks like you ran automake & autoconf on it again?05:18
TMMajmitch, with dh_installdoc (or something) it copies it to the appropriate place, so I figured I'd remove them from the package05:19
TMMajmitch, I had to, because I had to change the Makefile.am05:19
ajmitchright05:19
ajmitchso you really have to put that in debian/patches05:19
TMMI figured that much, but how? :)05:19
ajmitchhttp://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=705:19
TMMI just did a diff and put it in debian/patches but it doesn't seem to get picked up05:20
ajmitchbecause it's not automatic05:20
ajmitchyou need a patch system in place like dpatch05:20
ajmitchyou're using cdbs now?05:20
TMMyeah05:20
TMMmuch, much nicer :)05:20
ajmitchinclude /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk05:21
TMMahhh... I just add a mk and it's done?05:21
hubcrap05:21
TMMajmitch, I just read it :)05:21
ajmitchand make sure you have a rule like 'unpatch: deapply-dpatches'05:21
hubpbuilder fails one test with that perl module05:21
hubgah05:21
TMMajmitch, along the dpatch.mk thing?05:21
ajmitchTMM: and a file 00list in debian/patches.. the patch should be in dpatch format too, sorry :)05:22
TMMajmitch, ah... I'm a bit confused now... what exactly do I do? :)05:22
ajmitchyou do as I said ;)05:23
TMMwuh...05:23
TMMaccording to this:05:23
TMMhttps://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS05:23
bddebianajmitch: Can you look at 2939?05:23
TMMthis is all I do...05:23
ajmitchyou *can* use simple-patchsys if you want, but it's not as useful05:23
ajmitchbddebian: why me?05:24
bddebianajmitch: Because you ROCK05:24
ajmitchno, I don't05:24
TMMajmitch, I only need to remove 3 lines from the makefile, do I need anything more useful? :)05:24
bddebianajmitch: I just want to know if you think it's valid?05:24
TMM(2 of which are whitespace) ;)05:25
ajmitchTMM: your patch will have to include all the results of running autoconf & automake05:25
ajmitchit's not just a 3 line change05:25
ajmitchbut a 300K change that you uploaded05:25
TMMajmitch, can't I just run autogen.sh from rules/ ?05:25
ajmitchthat is rather evil05:26
TMMwhy evil?05:26
TMMI'm not trying to be stubborn, I just want to learn the ethics :)05:26
ajmitchyou have to build depend on appropriate versions of autoconf & automake05:26
TMMok, ok, ok...05:27
TMMso... what do I do then? :)05:27
ajmitchput it in a patch as I said :)05:27
TMMI *did* put it in a patch ;)05:28
TMMok...05:28
TMMplease05:28
TMMonce more, from the top05:28
TMMI patch the makefile05:28
TMMI run autogen05:28
TMMthen do a diff?05:29
ajmitchno05:29
ajmitchnot with dpatch :)05:29
=== TMM bangs head
ajmitchyou make sure debian/rules is setup for dpatch05:29
ajmitchthen you dpatch-edit-patch name-of-patch05:29
ajmitchit drops you into a subshell05:29
ajmitchyou make changes05:29
ajmitchit generates patch05:29
ajmitchwhich is why it is nice, you don't have to do manual diffs05:30
ajmitchwhich gets complex with multiple patches to apply05:30
TMMok, I put the dpatch.mk in my rules, I unpacked a fresh sourcetree (just to be sure)05:30
TMMand put my debian/ dir back05:31
TMMdo I need to have a debian/patch dir present?05:31
ajmitchand you added the unpatch rule as I suggested?05:31
ajmitchyou need debian/patches05:31
TMMexactly that line you gave me05:32
ajmitchyes05:32
TMMyes05:32
ajmitchjust put it at the bottom of debian/rules05:32
TMMok05:32
TMMso now, I am in my debian/ dir and I type dpatch-edit-patch makefile.diff ?05:32
bddebiancrimsun: You up?05:32
ajmitchso you should be able to run dpatch-edit-patch autotools_fix05:33
TMMin what dir do I want to be?05:33
ajmitchthe base directory will be fine05:33
TMMok05:34
bddebianDamn, where is everyone in -devel?05:35
ajmitchaway05:35
TMMcool done05:35
TMMok, trying... :)05:35
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TMMajmitch, I need another file you said? because it's not patching :)05:38
TMM00list05:38
ajmitchyes05:38
TMMthat just lists the name of the patch?05:38
ajmitchyes05:38
TMMone patch on a line?05:38
ajmitchyes05:38
TMMwith or without debian/patch prefix?05:38
ajmitchwithout05:39
ajmitchand it goes in debian/patches05:39
TMMand the dpatch suffix?05:39
ajmitchdoesn't matter, iirc05:40
ajmitchand make sure you add the build dependency on dpatch05:41
TMMok05:41
TMMI am not sure it is working, it said that the patch wasn't applied to ./. or something...05:41
TMMI'll just finish building the package, see what happenes05:41
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TMMOK, it *did* work :)05:45
ajmitchgreat05:45
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TMMajmitch, but it won't deapply now...05:46
ajmitchfun05:46
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TMMI think I might just go ahead and *do* modify orig.tar.gz05:48
TMMIt's giving me a lot of trouble05:48
TMMthe original debian/ dir05:48
ajmitch:)05:48
ajmitchyeah05:48
TMMjust mention it in the changelog and everything should be fine, right?05:48
ajmitchand README.Debian is standard05:49
TMMok, so... I unpack the original source, change it, repack it, then re-run dh_make on it?05:49
TMMthen put my debian/ dir stuff in there?05:50
ajmitchoh please not05:50
ajmitchwhy would you re-run dh_make?05:50
TMMI dunno... for the changes file I thought05:50
ajmitchno?05:50
ajmitchyou've already got a debian/ dir to use05:51
TMMso, what I do is: I unpack the original tar.gz, remove the debian/ dir, and repack?05:51
ajmitchyes05:51
TMMok05:51
TMMtrying...05:51
ajmitchdo it in an empty directory to make sure you don't accidentally remove all your work so far ;)05:51
bddebianAny PPC folks in here?05:51
ajmitchno, we all run windows here05:53
TMMI'm not THAT stupid :)05:53
bddebianajmitch: Yuck, yuck, yuck :-)05:53
ajmitchbddebian: hey I do have a copy of windows XP here ;)05:53
TMMowww.... HELL05:54
TMMchecking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... /home/hp/ubuntu/dvdstyler/dvdstyler-1.4/./configure: line 4416: no: command not found05:55
TMMWTF?05:55
ajmitchheh05:55
TMMthat dpatch isn't all that it is cracked up to be it seems :)05:55
=== TMM kicks dpatch and autotools
TMMnext time I think "hey, I'll do an easy package to start off with" I'll just try open-heart surgery first05:56
ajmitchhaha05:57
TMMredoing... EVERYTHING now...05:59
TMMwell, it helped06:04
TMMfor non-obvious reasons06:04
TMM:)06:04
TMMw00t, no more errors06:07
TMMis there a special format for README.debian?06:07
ajmitchno06:07
TMMso I just add a file  README.debian to debian/ and it'll all be golden? :)06:08
ajmitchmaybe06:08
ajmitchdepends on what other things need done to the package :)06:08
TMMwell... only manpage I guess06:10
TMMthat is the final fronteer, I never did one :)06:10
ajmitchwe'll pull it apart when we review it06:10
ajmitchbddebian can attest to that :)06:10
bddebianheh06:11
TMMuploading in a sec06:12
TMMI dare you to find anything ELSE wrong (besides the manpage) :)06:12
ajmitchooh, a challenge06:13
=== ajmitch gets out the knives
TMMbuilding final version... (I hope)06:13
TMMI think a bunch of italiens just spinned in their grave :)06:15
TMMI just ate a sandwitch with salami and french mustard06:15
TMMwhich on of the changes file do I upload?06:19
TMMthe source or the i386 one?06:19
ajmitchthe latest source one06:19
ajmitchand make sure you built it with -sa06:19
TMMI did06:20
ajmitchok06:20
TMMand now, the 5 mins waiting period... :P06:22
TMMhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=73906:26
TMMhave fun with the knives :P06:26
=== ajmitch will write up a list of things that need fixed
bddebianHeh06:28
TMMlol06:28
TMMalready a list?06:28
=== TMM hides
ajmitchoh I've already spotted a few things :)06:28
ajmitchand I've only looked at the diff so far06:28
TMMO dear, already?06:28
ajmitchsure06:28
TMMgeez... :)06:30
TMMlike what? :)06:30
=== TMM thought he actually did a decent package this time
hubTMM: 530KB of patch?06:34
TMMI did it the way ajmitch told me, I had to re-run automake and friends on the source06:34
hubTMM: I trust you06:34
hubI'm just wow06:34
=== hub is having headache with pbuilder
TMMI'm probably the wrong person to ask :)06:35
ajmitchTMM: it's fairly good, they're mostly minor issues :)06:35
=== ajmitch likes tomboy, great for keeping notes while reviewing :)
hubmake test for the perl module fail in pbuilder on one test06:37
TMMajmitch, tomboy?06:37
ajmitchTMM: yes06:37
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hubZzznight06:38
ajmitchnight06:38
bddebianGnight hubZzz06:38
TMMajmitch, lots of problems? how is the patient? :) the suspense is killing me06:41
ajmitchok, since you want some details..06:41
ajmitchcan you explain the long list of build-depends?06:42
ajmitchwhy a versioned dep on wx2.6-headers with a version of >= 2.4.x ?06:42
ajmitchspelling mistakes..06:42
ajmitchis gnome.mk really needed in debian/rules06:42
ajmitchthese things take awhile for me to check through, which is why I keep a list & work through it :)06:43
TMMajmitch, it helps with the pkgconf stuff... the debian/rules file would be longer if I did it manually with debhelper I think06:43
TMMajmitch, I suppose I could just put in wx2.6-headers unversioned since it'll work on anything greater than 2.4.206:43
ajmitchand how often would you find wx2.6-headers with a version < 2.6? :)06:44
TMMajmitch, the long buildependency list is because the configure script checks for all the external programs it uses06:44
TMMajmitch, I just wanted to be complete :) but you are right, it is nonsense06:44
TMMajmitch, I could patch the configure script to not check for those, I guess...06:44
ajmitchwhy bother?06:45
ajmitchI was just askign you to justify them being there, since I haven't had time to check configure06:45
TMMthis is good? the long list of dependencies?06:45
ajmitchbetter to have too many build-depends than to miss some06:45
TMMI am sure I've got them all06:46
TMMI checked carefully with pbuild06:46
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TMMit's should be its , right? :)06:52
ajmitch:0:> dvdstyler06:52
ajmitchdvdstyler: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory06:52
ajmitch*cough*06:52
TMMwuh?06:53
ajmitchnever mind..06:53
ajmitchbadness on my system06:53
TMMIt shows up as a runtime dep06:53
ajmitchyes06:54
=== ajmitch had an old built copy in /usr/local/bin
=== TMM wipes brow
ajmitchobviously quite old :)06:54
TMMI wondered how I could ever have missed that :)06:54
=== ajmitch waits for the app to show up
ajmitchit's an ugly app06:55
TMMshould be quite snappy06:55
TMMugly, yes06:55
TMMbut it's very functional :)06:55
TMMmost functionality for dvd menu creation than every other dvd authoring tool I tried06:55
TMMopen source that is06:55
ajmitchthat's not saying much at times :)06:56
TMMI know06:56
TMMbut I've used it to create several DVD video disks already06:56
TMMand it works in every dvd player I tried it in06:57
TMMeven my PS2, and THAT is saying something ;)06:57
TMMbut... what do I need to change to make it allright?06:57
TMMand, if it is allright will that automatically mean that it's going to be included in universe?06:57
ajmitchit depends, we're *very* close to release day06:58
ajmitchand it needs 2 MOTUs to sign off on it before we upload it06:58
ajmitchfor a first package you've done quite a good job06:59
ajmitchdo you still need that autotools-dev build-dependency? :)06:59
TMMI suppose, not06:59
ajmitchbtw, please change "It's" to "Its" in the description07:00
ajmitchspeeling erors annoy me :P07:00
TMMajmitch, already did that, I spotted it when you said there where spelling errors07:00
TMMok, then I'll remove the autotools-dev dep, re-run it through pbuild07:00
ajmitchsection doesn't need universe, in debian/control07:00
TMMjust sound?07:00
TMM(there is no video)07:00
ajmitchyea07:00
TMMok07:01
ajmitchalso, add in the copyright years in debian/copyright07:02
ajmitchso it's Copyright (C) xxxx-yyyy Author07:02
TMMafter copyright-holder?07:03
ajmitchyes07:03
ajmitchand check if it's GPL 2 or later07:03
ajmitchor just GPL 207:03
ajmitchhmm07:03
TMMit's or later07:03
ajmitchshow me07:03
ajmitchsome files in there are listed as 'wxWindows license'07:04
ajmitch // Copyright:   (c) Alex Thuering07:04
ajmitch // Licence:     wxWindows licence07:04
TMMactually07:04
TMMit just says  It is free software  distributed under GNU General Public License (GPL).07:05
ajmitch:)07:05
TMMand links to the GPL v2...07:05
ajmitchmost people don't follow the instructions when licensing their software07:05
TMMI'll just say 'gpl v2' and remove the or later07:06
TMMalso, I can't find a year anywhere07:06
TMMapparently, the first release was 200407:06
ajmitchprogrammers aren't trained lawyers, in most cases ;)07:06
TMMso I can just say copyright (c) 2004-200507:06
TMMright?07:07
TMMwell, wxwindows license is the LGPL with the provision that binary only derived workes are allowed07:08
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TMMand you can relicense LGPL software to GPL07:08
TMMso saying it is GPL v2 is correct07:08
TMMdo you agree?07:09
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ajmitchbest to list both of them07:12
ajmitcheg saying that portions are licensed with the wxWindows license07:13
ajmitchand put that license in there07:13
TMMOK07:13
TMMhow do I word that?07:14
bddebianBed time for this old man.  Gnight gang07:14
TMMat the end of copying just add "portions are licencend blablah blah" and stick the license underneath that?07:14
ajmitchat the top of debian/copyright, where you say what the license is07:17
ajmitchiirc07:17
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TMMyou don't...07:18
TMMyou never state that in one scentense07:18
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TMMajmitch, http://www.opensource.org/licenses/wxwindows.txt07:19
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ajmitchyes, I've seen it07:20
ajmitchbut as it allows extra permissions beyond what LGPL does, you should list them07:20
=== ajmitch votes for 'educating' the author to actually put these in his tarball, rather than just stating 'wxwindows licence'
TMMshould I just append /usr/share/doc/libwxbase2.4/copyright ?07:22
ajmitchmight as well try07:23
ajmitchcould be a good idea to get advice from someone other than myself ;)07:23
TMMpbuild worked fine07:24
TMMI'll try to just append it07:24
TMMPart of this sourcecode is covered under the wxwindows license V3.07:28
TMMThese include the wxVillaLib/ and wxXML/ subdirectories and the src/hyperlink.cpp and07:28
TMMsrc/hyperlink.h files.07:28
TMMthen the text from /usr/share/doc/libwxbase2.4/copyright07:28
ajmitchlooks good07:28
TMMok, I think I've fixed everything then07:29
TMMpbuilder agrees :)07:29
TMMlintian agrees07:29
TMMlinda agrees07:29
ajmitchpbuilder & lintian only catch certain issues, remember :)07:30
TMMmeh07:30
TMMyou seem to somewhat agree now :)07:30
ajmitchonly the checks that people have automated07:30
TMMuploading...07:30
TMMI thought you where checking manually as well :)07:31
ajmitchsure07:31
ajmitchI've done some manual checks :)07:31
TMMshould I advocate it myself?07:31
ajmitchyou can't07:31
TMMthere is a checkbox 'advocate this upload'07:31
ajmitchadvocating means that a MOTU has checked it off :)07:32
TMMow, I don't think I am one :) (yet)07:32
TMMare you07:32
TMM?07:32
ajmitchsure07:32
ajmitchyou'd know if you were07:32
ajmitchbecause then you'd be able to upload to ubuntu ;)07:33
TMMso... will you be advocating now? :)07:33
TMMhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=74007:33
ajmitchonce I've checked over a few more things - probably later tonight07:33
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TMMajmitch, what else could be wrong? just so I know if I ever want to check other peoples packages07:35
ajmitchI don't know what might be wrong until I look :P07:36
TMMlol07:38
TMMI want to become a motu too at some point, I'd like to know what I need to be looking for :)07:39
TMMyou already gave me a lot of pointers btw, you are a very nice person, thank you07:39
ajmitchyou learn by experience :)07:39
TMMstill, you helped me out quite a bit! :)07:41
ajmitchcurrently we do a lot more fixing packages than making them, but that should change in a week or two07:41
TMMI'll be doing more packages07:41
TMMis universe freezed after a release too?07:41
TMMI'd like to chip in to help to fix things as well, but on the FTBFS site's packages, I can't find any meaningfull logs :) a lot can me removed imho07:42
ajmitchuniverse freezes at release07:52
ajmitchsorry, had to get dinner from oven07:52
TMMnp07:52
TMMand, release is like, in 2 days, right? :)07:57
ajmitch507:57
TMMok07:58
TMMI somehow remembered it was on the 10th07:58
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ajmitchok, I'll bbl08:08
TMMlater08:08
tritiumI can't get anyone to sync xfig.  I emailed elmo last night, and neither him nor Kamion is active now.08:11
pef_awTMM: hello08:12
pefTMM: s/unstable/breezy/ for debian/changelog :)08:13
TMMpef, d*mn :)08:13
TMMstupid dh_make08:14
TMM:P08:14
pefTMM: and maybe add Homepage: http://foo.org to debian/control description08:14
pefOn Debian systems, the complete text of the GNU General08:15
pefPublic License can be found in `/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL'.08:15
pefTMM: debian/copyright : it's /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2'.08:15
TMMpef, thanks08:16
pefTMM: thank you for packaging :)08:16
TMMwhat line should the Homepage: god?08:16
pefTMM: the last ?08:16
TMMok08:17
pefTMM: look for examples, like apt-cache show kvpnc08:17
TMMI made all the change08:17
TMMok!08:17
TMMshould that Bugs: thing be there too?08:18
siretartmorning08:19
pefTMM: no08:19
pefsiretart: hello08:19
siretartLathiat: pong08:19
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siretarthi pef08:19
TMMpef, then I think I did it all now, uploading... (Again) ;)08:19
TMMpef, one day I'll do this all right in one go :P08:19
pefTMM: experience, experience, and experience :] 08:19
TMMpef, did I handle the dual licensing thing right in debian/copyright you think?08:19
TMMuploading... (agian) :)08:20
TMMdone :)08:20
TMMcan't have enough revisions, that's what my mother used to say08:21
pefTMM: I think you should look how others packages handle this08:21
pefI don't want to tell you something wrong08:21
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TMMpef, do you know a package that has a dual license?08:24
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pefTMM: packages using wxgtk I believe ? try apt-cache rdepends libwxgtk2.6-008:25
TMMthe wxwindows license is basically a dual license08:25
TMMyou can choose to use it as LGPL08:25
pefs/wxwindows/wxwidget :] 08:25
TMMwell, whatever :P08:25
pefTMM: mm amule copyright file doesn't mention this at all08:26
TMMno, it doesn't have to08:26
TMMbut, dvdstyler actually INCLUDES some wx stuff wxXML and wxVillaLib08:26
TMMin it's source release08:26
TMMwell, there doesn't really seem to be a 'form' for this, I'll just leave it at this08:28
TMMpef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=74108:28
TMMpef, does that address all your concernes?08:28
pefTMM: You can set debian/control:Standards-Version to 3.6.2.1 (to get the current version, get the version of debian-policy package, with $ dpkg -l|grep debian-policy for example)08:31
TMMmeh, it got newer while I was working on it then :)08:33
TMMI already bumped it once08:33
pefTMM: and your diff seems a little bit huge :)08:33
pefcontains autotools-dev stuff08:33
pefa diff must be as small as possible, to makes revision by a MOTU easier and faster08:33
TMMI was told to do it like this, because running autoconf and friends would be 'evil' according to ajmitch08:34
TMMfrom rules08:34
TMMall it does is remove some of the documents from the makefile08:35
pefI think a 500Kb diff is evil too :]  but ask confirmation to a MOTU08:35
TMMajmitch, says he is a motu :)08:35
pefTMM: you can't delete this with a rules:clean target ?08:35
TMMisn't that even MORE evil?08:36
=== TMM thinks so
TMMI'll just explain in a comment08:37
pefTMM: sometimes upstream tarball is very dirty :/08:38
TMMit was in this case...08:38
TMMvery ugly debian/ dir... I had to modify the orig.tar.gz08:38
TMMI tried very hard to not do that, but, I couldn't avoid it08:39
pefTMM: I had theses two problems with kvpnc, so I wrote a target to modify the upstream tarball, look at kvpnc source package, get-orig-source target08:39
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TMMpef, I don't like that very much...08:41
TMMI'm not saying you are wrong or anything :)08:41
TMMI'm not in a position to :P08:41
TMMI suppose, I could have patched Makefile.in and not re-run auto* ...08:45
TMMalthough, that *IS* rather dirty as well :)08:47
TMMajmitch, what do you think?08:49
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pefTMM: it's a way some people here gave to me, and it's an official debian solution08:52
TMMI think I'll try to patch the Makefile.in08:53
TMMit's a tad eleborate for such a small change imho08:53
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ivoksmorning08:59
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sivangMOrning MOTUS09:00
sivangWhat's up all??09:00
TMMpef, yeah, this works just fine :)09:00
ivokshi09:00
TMMand now, the diff.gz is only 6.5kb :)09:00
zakame3 pm here :D09:00
sivanghey ivoks09:01
sivangzakame: you shoudl go to sleep dude, or else :)09:01
ivoksmost of my packages have bad C/C++ instructions :(09:01
zakamesivang: nah, I've had my siesta :)09:01
sivangzakame: lol09:02
TMMmeh, I only slept for 2 hours, and I'm fine... ish09:02
TMM;)09:02
TMMno more hugeness09:04
TMM:)09:04
zakameTMM: w00t!09:05
pefTMM: the problem is you just moved the stuff :/09:07
mikhail^ivoks: need help with that?09:07
TMMpef, I didn't move anything, did I?09:08
TMMpef, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=74309:08
ivoksmikhail^: if you have time...09:08
mikhail^ivoks: which package is that?09:09
ivoksmikhail^: redboot, rivet, rockdodger... :))09:09
pefTMM: sorry ;)09:10
TMMit feels a bit dirty though :)09:11
mikhail^ivoks: lemme pick one. :)09:12
ivoksmikhail^: wait...09:12
ivoksmikhail^: i'll tell you which one, since most of them have same errors09:12
TMMpef, you think this is OK?09:13
TMMLOL, I did 10 dput's already...09:13
ivoksmikhail^: go with rockrodger :)09:13
mikhail^ivoks: you mean rockdodger?09:14
ivoksmikhail^: yup09:14
pefTMM: seems ok for, but it must be ok for a MOTU :)09:14
TMMI just wondered if patching the Makefile.in isn't a bit tooo dirty :)09:15
siretarterr. marillat has been using revu?!09:15
siretarthttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=61709:15
mikhail^ivoks: it's supposed to build?09:15
siretartimpossible..09:16
TMMsiretart, just use http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=743 that acutally works ;)09:16
TMM:P09:16
ivoksmikhail^: it dies on me09:17
mikhail^ivoks: it says what when it dies on you?09:17
ivoksmikhail^: it should build, but, heh, it returns "array type has incomplete element type"09:17
ivoksmikhail^: main.c:20909:17
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mikhail^ivoks: hmmm...09:17
ivokscrap :)09:18
siretartah, thats an old upload from ivoks.. okay09:18
ivoksi runned buildpackage -d, to check out which libs this package is missing, since one in build-depends isn't in ubuntu...09:19
ivoksand... funny thing... package build inspite that :)09:19
pefTMM: ugly, because # Makefile.in generated by automake 1.6.3 from Makefile.am. IMHO :/09:19
ivokssiretart: ?09:19
TMMpef, I *know*09:19
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siretartivoks: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=617 has a signature of a key of yours09:19
TMMpef, but, for one package, it doesn't really matter... as this is basically the same as what re-running automake does, kinda, but without a 500kb patch09:20
ivokssiretart: ah, that one is allready uploaded09:20
ivokssiretart: kill it from revu, it was a mistake09:20
mikhail^ivoks: i know. I'll send you a patch.09:20
siretartdone09:20
ivoksmikhail^: thanks! :)09:20
ivoksmikhail^: you know the address?09:20
mikhail^ivoks: nope.09:21
mikhail^:D09:21
ivoksmikhail^: ivoks at ubuntu.com09:21
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pefTMM: and if it needs to be regenerated for something else than x86 ?09:22
TMMpef, good point...09:22
TMMok... can I remove an upload?? :)09:22
TMMI knew this, but I didn't think about it...09:22
TMMpef, it doesn't need to be regenerated09:23
TMMpef, obviously... the .in file is complemented by ./configure, that handles all the platform specific stuff09:24
TMMI knew it, didn't think about it, and turned out that I didn't need to think about it :P09:25
pefTMM: if Makefile.in is generated from Makefile.am by automake, why don't just delete it ?09:25
mikhail^ivoks: sending...09:26
mikhail^ivoks: sent. :)09:26
ivoksmikhail^: thanks!09:26
mikhail^ivoks: lemme know if it makes a difference... ;)09:26
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ivokswill do09:27
TMMpef, Makefile.am you mean?09:27
pefTMM: .in, generated from .am09:27
TMMpef, I know09:27
TMMI don't think it matters much, if you do the patch approach however you do it, it's going to go *boom* if you change something09:29
TMMthe only 'good' way would be to just patch Makefile.am and run auto*09:29
TMMbut I was told that would be bad because you'd tie the package to a specific auto* version09:30
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mikhail^zakame: welcome back. :)09:30
ivoksmikhail^: good job man :)09:30
zakamemikhail^: thanks :)09:30
pefTMM: it's why I like the get-orig-source target : you clean everything wrong on upstream tarball, and you're fine09:30
mikhail^ivoks: it works?09:30
ivoksmikhail^: yes, still lots of warnings, but, well...09:30
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mikhail^ivoks: lemme finish my thesis manuscript and I'd love hacking at it with you someday. :)09:31
ivokspossible ftbs on 64bit, but that i'll have to check..09:31
TMMpef, what I don't like about it is that if at buildtime sf.net is down (which isn't quite imaginary) it'll fail to build09:31
mikhail^ivoks: but does it "play" and not crash on you anymore?09:31
pefTMM: every solution has it's problems, the game is to find the one who has less than others :D09:32
=== pef is curious to find kguitar uploader :]
TMMif you have to change upstream I'd rather change orig.tar.gz than download it, change it, then save it... the net-result is the same09:33
TMMa .orig.tar.gz that isn't actually the original09:33
zakamehmmm, is the lighttpd license accepted by ubuntu?09:33
zakameI read that it is a revised bsd license09:33
ivoksi didn't play so stopid game for ages :))09:34
pefTMM: but with the get-orig-target, for next release, chances are big that the target will work again, the patch less chances09:34
TMMthis last patch is actually rather resilient I think09:35
mikhail^ivoks: hehehe09:35
TMMunless they add a document they want to co-install from the root of the sourcetree09:35
TMMwhich is rather unlikely to happen :)09:35
pefTMM: ohh, and you can add a watchfile to your debian layout :)09:36
TMMpef, care to explain? I've got no idea what that is09:36
pefTMM: you run uscan, and it tells you if a new release is available09:37
TMMuscan...09:38
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pefTMM: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-watch09:39
ivokswho writes this programs?! :)09:39
ivoksit has two different declarations for same type :)09:40
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TMMpef, is that useful09:40
TMM?09:40
pefTMM: to upgrade to next release, yes. You have version 0.8, release 0.9 is out. You run uscan, it retrieves 0.9 sources, you run uupdate, and 0.9 version is packaged using 0.8 debian layout09:42
pefit has certainly other advantages, but I'm not a package master :)09:43
TMMI'll just do it manual for this package :)09:43
pefbbl later, go to post office09:43
mikhail^ivoks: which one are you talking about?09:54
ivoksmikhail^: um... zopex309:56
ivoksit's unfixable09:56
mikhail^ivoks: it's in python?09:56
ivoksit declares two different types with same name09:56
mikhail^ivoks: i couldn't help you with that then... :D09:57
ivoksit's ok09:57
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mikhail^hehehehe09:57
mikhail^<< will do C/C++ but will not touch Python09:57
mikhail^gtg peeps... gotta get out of the house.09:58
pefFTBS = fail to build ... ?10:10
ivokssource10:10
pefthanks10:10
ivoksnp10:10
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ivoksurrggghh!11:01
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TMMwhat happens to my package on revu if it's not accepted before breezy? will it get another chance for dapper?11:46
spaynehi gang11:48
spaynedoes anyone know what happened to resapplet?11:48
YagisanTMM: should do11:48
YagisanTMM: mine missed breezy - to I'm targeting dapper11:48
TMMI am not sure if it missed breezy or not11:50
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TMMthe package should be fine for dapper too, I'm sure11:51
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YagisanTMM: considering breezy is out in a few days -  If you haven't got sponsors by now - it missed breezy11:56
TMMI only uploaded yesterday :)11:57
TMMdoesn't matter11:58
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ivokshi11:58
TMMhi11:58
ivokshm..12:00
ivoksTMM: could you try something for me?12:00
spayneivoks: mornin12:03
ivoksany1 here?12:03
ivoksspayne: hi12:03
ivokscould someone run gnome-cups-add and tell me if it crashes for him?12:04
spayneivoks: do you have any idea what is going on with resapplet?12:04
spayneivoks: doing it now12:04
spayneivoks: no12:04
ivokshm12:04
spayneivoks: added a printer and removed it without problems12:04
ivoksres applet?12:05
ivokswich one is that?12:05
spayneivoks: the one i packaged :)12:06
TMMivoks, sure12:06
ivoksrevu?12:06
Yagisanivoks: G'day - hows the raid ?12:06
spayneivoks: tseng uploaded it IIRC and was waiting for elmo12:06
ivoksYagisan: pending monday :)12:06
TMMivoks, if you tell me what it is :)12:06
ivoksTMM: run gnome-cups-add12:07
ivoksTMM: and tell me if it crashes12:07
ivoksspayne: resapplet is the name of source?12:07
spayneivoks: yes12:08
ivoksspayne: no souch source anywhere :/12:08
ivoksspayne: not uploaded12:09
spayneivoks: i am a totally new guy - not MOTU, not Member (applying on Tues)12:09
TMM** (gnome-cups-add:22332): WARNING **: Two ppds have driver == 'hpijs (recommended)'12:09
TMM        ->hplip/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd (HP PSC 2500 Foomatic/hpijs[1] ) and12:09
TMM        ->foomatic-ppds/hplip/HP-PSC_2500-hpijs.ppd (HP PSC 2500 Foomatic/hpijs)[1] 12:09
TMMno crash though12:09
TMMseems to be ok12:09
ivoksTMM: ok, thanks12:09
Yagisanivoks: gnome-cups-add works for me - ehat version do you want tested ?12:09
Yagisans/ehat/what12:09
ivoksYagisan: last one12:09
spaynetseng: ping12:09
ivoksspayne: where did you upload your source?12:09
spayneivoks: i didn't because my GPG isn't signed12:10
spayneivoks: loads of MOTUs checked it out12:10
ivoksspayne: where?12:10
spayneivoks: so it didn't need to go through REVU12:10
spayneivoks: the sources are on my webserver - let me get the link12:10
Yagisanivoks: well - I don't have any gnome upgrades pending - so that should have been the latest12:10
TMMivoks, should it crash?12:10
ivoksTMM: ofcourse not :)12:10
ivoksprobably some mistake in my ubuntu :)12:11
spayneivoks: http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet/12:11
spaynei have just found this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gnome-blog/+bug/295712:11
TMMivoks, I've got 0.31-0ubuntu3 of gnome-cups-manager installed, not sure if that is the right packag12:11
spayneshould i fix gnome-blog as it suggests12:11
TMMivoks, it is :)12:12
ivoksspayne: i'll do it12:12
spayneivoks: bddebian, tseng and dholbach have all checked it through12:12
TMMam I supposed to be able to advocate my own package?12:12
TMMon revu?12:12
spayneivoks: will it upset tseng?12:12
ivoksTMM: no :)12:12
ivoksspayne: gnome-blog?12:12
ivoksspayne: no12:12
TMMI just advocated my own package?12:12
TMMI just wanted to test :P12:13
spayneivoks: just trying to find some bugs in malone that can be fixed12:13
ivoksspayne: but i don't know what's with your package... i'll leave that to tseng12:13
spayneivoks: so, should i close that bug?12:13
ivoksspayne: no12:13
spayneivoks: should i change gnome-blog?12:13
TMMremoved it again, probably not fair :)12:13
ivoksspayne: no12:13
spayneivoks: can i do anything?12:13
sivangguys, any left MOTU work to do ? I want to get some packages uploaded with me on the changlog :)12:13
ivokssivang: :))12:14
TMMme too, me too!12:14
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spayneivoks: just trying to find some bugs to fix or stuff to get done for Breezy12:14
=== spayne would also like to help out with the final bits and pieces
ivoksspayne: you can provide diff for packages you want to fix12:14
sivanghmm, Daniel is not here12:14
Yagisanyay - wesnoth 1.0 appeared in my updates list :)12:15
ivoksanyway... gnome-blog is broken :)12:15
spayneivoks: packages i want to fix? diff?12:15
sivangivoks: ok, what are you currently striving to get working? are the transitions all overs?12:15
ivokssivang: you want to do something? :)12:15
sivangivoks: I was busy with lpi stuff and other main related, but now I am writing some BOFs and in the background I figured I' help the MOTUs some bits12:15
sivangivoks: yep, anything interesting ?12:16
ivokssivang: yup, tons of stuff :)12:16
ivokssivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS12:16
sivanguh-ha!12:16
spayneivoks: do you know any bugs/packages that need fixing?12:16
sivangcan you sponser my uploads? my Key is not signed yet...12:17
ivoksspayne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS12:17
ivoksuh :)12:17
ivoksam i the only motu here? :))12:17
markumanivoks: :-)12:17
ivoksi can't server you all guys in the same time :)12:17
ivokss/server/serve12:17
spayneivoks: what does FTBFS mean btw?12:18
ivoksfaild to build source12:18
sivangivoks: technically speaking, I am a MOTU already :) but until my key is signed in UBZ i can't upload myself12:18
markumanivoks: but you can vote for may upload on revu :-)12:18
TMMivoks, would you mind looking my package over for me? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=743 if you have the time? I think I've got everything right now :) just want to make sure12:18
ivokssivang: ah, that doesn't change a thing for me :)12:18
ivoksomg12:18
sivanglol12:18
ivoksTMM: not good12:19
TMMivoks, to ask?12:19
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ivoksTMM: you can't change Makefile directly12:19
ivoksTMM: all your changes must be inside debian tree12:19
ivoksTMM: nothing outside of it12:19
TMMivoks, I don't get it, what do you mean?12:20
TMMand it was Makefile.in12:20
TMM:)12:20
ivoksTMM: that's irrelevant12:20
ivoksok, for everybody12:20
ivoksall changes that packager is doing, must be inside debian/ subdirectory12:20
TMMivoks, I'ts being patched with dpatch12:20
TMMivoks, and that patch lives in debian/patches12:21
ivoksTMM: uh, sorry12:21
ivoksTMM: i saw you comment (about patching directly) :)12:21
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TMMivoks, this a better comment? :)12:22
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spayneivoks: sorry to bother you but i thought i'd look at ooqstart as it looks simple12:23
spayneivoks: do i download the source and attempt to build it?12:23
ivoksspayne: apt-get source ooqstart12:23
ivoksspayne: and then, inside of it, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage12:23
spayneivoks: thanks man - sorry to bother you12:24
ivoksTMM: why didn't you just change upstream debian/?12:24
TMMivoks, because there seemed to be a lot missing12:24
TMMand it has a files file12:24
YagisanTMM: your package looks ok at the moment (may be problems with the source repack though). When I get some time I'll check it on amd64/i38612:24
TMMthat 'files' file gives a lot of trouble12:25
YagisanTMM: check out debnest12:25
TMMdpkg won't pick it up if you remove it, and so, it stays in the package, lintian complains that autobuilds will fail12:25
markumanwb \sh :-)12:25
sivanghey \sh  :)12:25
spayne\sh: yo12:26
TMMYagisan, what is debnest?12:26
spayne\sh: do you know what is going on with my resapplet package?12:26
ivokseverybody, abuse \sh now :)12:26
\shmoins12:26
\shjust got up now...and trying to fix xterm...so I'm busy ;)12:26
ivoks\sh: morning12:26
YagisanTMM: Its for upstream sources that have problems like included /debian dirs12:26
\shivoks: absuing me? when why and who? ,-)12:26
YagisanTMM: search for it in aptitude12:26
TMMYagisan, I read the writeup, but, will that solve that files problem?12:26
ivoks\sh: all the motu helpers here12:26
ivoks\sh: when? all the time :)12:27
ivoks\sh: please, help me... i can't do them 5 in the same time :)12:27
TMMYagisan, if you remove it, and build the package, it will stay there, because dpkg things it shound be there, and leaves it in the dsc, or something, at least, it gets packaged :)12:27
\sh*rotfl*12:27
YagisanTMM: I don't know - it may help (I've never used it - but it looks useful)12:27
ivoksmarkuman: this loks ok, i'll try building it12:28
\shivoks: ok what's up? I just try to fix xterm and after that I have to go shopping12:28
\shand then I will fix universe ;)12:28
markumanivoks: ok12:28
TMMYagisan, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316 note " chaning .orig from upstream tar is standard practice for removing debian directories etc. "12:28
ivoks\sh: ok, then, when you get back...12:28
\shivoks: no come on what is it?12:29
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YagisanTMM: not always - but I'm not the one to convince (I have to do a dfsg repack on mine =-O )12:30
ivoksmarkuman: one remark...12:30
TMMYagisan, dfsg?12:30
ivoksmarkuman: config.guss and config.sub shouldn't be in diff12:30
TMMYagisan, isn't that security related or something?12:30
pefYagisan: and what do you think about the get-orig-source target to clean upstream tarball ?12:30
YagisanTMM: Debian Free Software Guidelines12:30
TMMahh12:30
markumanhm12:30
Yagisanpef: I haven't used that yet - but it should also be useful12:31
ivoksmarkuman: not big deal..12:32
YagisanTMM: my upstream needs a licensing cluebat or 212:32
TMMIMHO it's not good to depend on 3rd party mirrors, it might make it impossible to apt-get source12:32
TMMin fact12:32
YagisanTMM: I have to rip 66% of the features out =-O12:33
pefYagisan: I think it's a clean way to make changes to upstream tarball because it's autodocumented, so ne needs to add something to readme.debian12:33
TMMif you use get-orig-source and the mirror that it points to is down, debian might be in GPL violation :P12:33
TMMif you want to get anal about it12:33
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TMMYagisan, what package are you referring to?12:34
Yagisanpef: we could - but I'd more then likely manually repack myself12:34
YagisanTMM: mine ? deng12:34
TMMahhh12:34
TMMI've seen a whole host of packages for that12:34
YagisanTMM: :) yeah - I sent about 40% of my repo to revu - the data packages need license clarifications too12:35
TMMlol12:35
TMMpef, I said that GPL violation thing a little bit to spite you, but, if you think about it a bit, I think it is actually true. If the upstream site ceases to exist, and you can't provide sources because of that...12:36
YagisanTMM: I think I concerned siretart when I asked how much space he had - right before uploading that :-D12:36
ivoks\sh: take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=744 - looks ok to me, got my advocate12:36
YagisanTMM, pef - I would decide that on a case by case basis - depending on the package - and it's upstream mirrors12:37
ivoks\sh: please :)12:37
pefok :] 12:37
\shdoing so12:37
TMMowww, do I get an advocate too? :P12:38
\shivoks: hmmm12:38
ivoks\sh: yes?12:38
TMMYagisan, the mirror is sf.net... you'd have to use sfget or something or directly link to one mirror, which kind of defeats the purpose :)12:38
TMMplus, sf.net...12:39
ivoks\sh: i know, config.guess and .sub...12:39
ivoksautoconf is evil :)12:39
ivoksas is automake :)12:40
\shivoks: no copyright ;)12:40
ivoks\sh: ?12:40
ivoks\sh: there is copyright12:40
\shyes..but should be there at least the very special paragraph?12:41
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ivoks\sh: like...?12:41
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\shivoks: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/287412:42
\shivoks: this is from gcl12:42
ivoks\sh: afaik, this isn't must have12:42
ivoks\sh: copyright states under what license software is issued12:43
ivoks\sh: and it gives you direction where to read it12:43
\shivoks: but there was something written in the debian maintainer guide...12:43
\shwho did point me to that12:43
ivoks\sh: if you check packages, most of them don't have this12:43
pefTMM: about the sf.net mirror, someone has wrote a script to manage sf.net mirrors12:43
TMMpef, sfget12:44
TMM:)12:44
ivoks\sh: check out gnome-games-data :)12:44
\sh- debian/copyright is a bit small... must include the full 3 paragraphs (including warranty stuff, etc)12:44
ivoks\sh: it has even less info :)12:44
\shslomo pointed me12:44
pefTMM: oh I doesn't know this tools :)12:44
ivoks\sh: hm...12:44
SloMoSnailhi everybody12:45
ivoks\sh: then we should repackage most of main and universe :)12:45
\shivoks: doesn't matter...builds fine and looks ok12:45
\shivoks: upload ;)12:46
ivokslet me :)12:46
slomo\sh: ajmitch told me that this is a must ;)12:46
sivangwhat is popcon?12:46
sivangwhat's all those talking about managing a sf.net repo?12:46
ivoksslomo: what is a must?12:47
ivoksslomo: copyright? that's right...12:47
sivang(/me apologizes for the trying to get in sync questions)12:47
slomoivoks: yes12:47
ivoksslomo: but we don't have to have GPL in copyright, and then on the bottom link to that same GPL again12:47
ivoksslomo: most of packages in main and universe don't have so much of GPL in copyright file12:47
\shivoks: it was a request to you to upload, yes ;)12:47
ivoksslomo: just info about where, who and where is GPL :)12:47
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slomoivoks: no, not the complete gpl but these 3 paragraphs afaik12:48
ivoksslomo: hm... i don't see a point, since there is a link to full GPL12:48
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Yagisanslomo: G'day slomo12:49
ivoksmarkuman: pending upload ;)12:50
slomoivoks: i mean this 3: "copyright (c) bla" "this program is free software...under the terms of the GPL..." "this program ... comes with no warranty"12:50
ivoksslomo: i know...12:50
slomoivoks: they don't include the license but only point out under which license this can be used and outlines some parts of the license12:50
ivoksslomo: ok, we can agree that this should be policy12:50
TMMivoks, apart from the thing that ISN'T wrong with my package :P is there anything wrong?12:50
markumanyeah thx ivoks and \sh :-)12:51
ivoksTMM: relax, one by one... i'll check your package now...12:51
slomoivoks: ok... and when it's no license in /usr/share/wherever the complete license must be copied into copyright, correct?12:51
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ivoksslomo: yes12:51
TMMivoks, :) just kidding, I thought it was a cool scentense :)12:52
YagisanTMM: calm down - some of us are testing it12:52
YagisanTMM: damm lag - it was a joke12:52
slomoivoks: ok, then we have the same opinion now ;) but do we really have a policy somewhere? i only know about the debian one12:53
ivoksslomo: we don't, that's the problem12:53
ivoksslomo: we should disccuss this on next motu meeting12:53
ivoksslomo: and till then, just go as we did till now12:53
ivoksslomo: althoug, imho, this isn't issue at all, since there is a link to full license and, well, suits are pleased :)12:54
Yagisanslomo, ivoks: I thought what wasn't explicitly stated as Ubuntu policy - was the same as Debian policy12:54
slomoivoks: maybe we should start writing something before as a draft the meeting so people can better decide?12:54
ivoksslomo: be my guest :)12:55
slomoivoks: and i think we don't need to copy everything from the debian policy ;)12:55
ivoksslomo: well, we don't go to far from it, since we do take packages from debian :)12:55
ivoksslomo: so, we don't want to do too much work that's obsolete12:55
ivoksTMM: what's your package?12:57
slomoivoks: ok... i'll write it on my todo list but i can't promise that i can write something before the meeting ;) when is the meeting?12:57
ivoksTMM: tmm isn't much descriptive nickname :)12:57
TMMivoks, dvdauthor12:57
TMMivoks, dvdSTYLER12:57
TMM:)12:57
TMMsorry12:57
ivoksslomo: 19th12:58
ivoksi love evolution-data-center :)12:58
YagisanTMM: FTBFS amd6412:58
TMMYagisan, got a log?12:59
ivoks:/12:59
ivokscdbs?12:59
YagisanTMM: where do you want the log mailed12:59
ivoksnice... if that's your work :)12:59
TMMYagisan, address on the revu please :)12:59
TMMivoks, cdbs not good?12:59
ivoksit is...12:59
TMMYagisan, I don't have an amd64 here...01:00
ivoksTMM: maybe you should consider simple patch system for cdbs01:00
ivoksTMM: but that's only suggestion01:00
TMMivoks, ajmitch told me to use dpatch :)01:01
ivoksYagisan: give me that log too :)01:01
ivoksTMM: ok :)01:01
ivoksTMM:01:01
ivoksTMM: TIMTOWTDI01:01
TMM???01:01
ivoksThere Is More Than One Way To Do It01:02
TMMahhh01:02
TMMI understand that :)01:02
TMMI tried to do it the 'motu' way :)\01:02
TMMor something01:02
YagisanTMM: mailed - ivoks: where too ?01:02
ivoksYagisan: ivoks at ubuntu.com01:03
slomohmm... where's dholbach :(01:04
TMMYagisan, thanks01:04
Yagisanivoks: mailed01:05
slomohmm... siretart? if i make a derivate of a package in main... i.e. add a build-depend and don't change anything else (except package names and a conflict/provide)... must it be uploaded to revu or can it go directly up?01:05
YagisanI'm happy to build packages on amd64 and mail the logs to people without access to an amd6401:05
ivoksYagisan: simple one01:05
ivoksTMM: will you fix it or should I do it?01:05
TMMivoks, I still don't have the log...01:06
ivoksTMM: ok01:06
TMMivoks, I'd rather fix it myself, and have one package done all by me :)01:06
YagisanTMM: your mail must be slow01:06
TMMYagisan, apparently01:06
ivoksTMM: /me has it's own mail server :)01:06
ivokswith three AV, two spam checkers and .procmailrc :)01:06
TMMI have root on my mailserver too :P01:07
TMMso booohoooo01:07
TMM:P01:07
ivoksTMM: then fix your mailserver :)01:07
Yagisanivoks: I just use gmail and yahoo.com.au as spam filtering relays01:07
ivoksum... /me needs help :/01:08
Yagisanivoks: (my office is accessible to small children - no server survives unscathed :( )01:08
ivokshow do i sign packages from other people?01:08
ivoksi did dpkg-buildpackage -S -kivoks@ubuntu.com01:09
ivokssigned it and upload it01:09
ivoksbut it seems to get droped01:09
TMMYagisan, still don't have it...01:09
TMMYagisan, thanks01:10
ivoksTMM: it's a c++ error01:10
YagisanTMM: you are the first person in a long time that's worked for01:10
\shivoks: aehm...taskmanager?01:10
\shivoks: if yes, you should check debuild -S -sa -kivoks@ubuntu.com01:11
TMMYagisan, DCC sends?01:11
ivoksah, right01:11
\shivoks: because it's new and new source ;)01:11
YagisanTMM: yep01:11
ivoks\sh: yup, my mistake01:11
\shok..one more cigarette and then shoppin01:11
\shg01:12
\shxterm is upstream and he responded already01:12
Yagisananyone here use ltsp ?01:12
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Yagisanif so - who wants to test the beginnings of a multi-client-arch patch I'm starting ?01:13
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ivoksi have to go too...01:14
ivokssee you all01:14
TMMYagisan, I think I've got it01:14
TMMplease hold :)01:14
YagisanBye ivoks01:14
TMMYagisan, will you stick around for a bit to test it please?01:17
YagisanTMM: I'm here for a while - I'm woring on the ltsp stuff for work01:19
YagisanTMM: I might disappear occasionally (small kids + dinner soon)01:19
TMMgreat!01:19
TMMthis won't take long01:19
Yagisans/woring/working01:20
TMMYagisan, thanks01:22
=== \sh goes shopping
Yagisanbye \sh01:23
\shthinking of buying some pumpkins for halloween during UBZ ,-)01:23
TMMYagisan, found them?01:27
YagisanTMM: getting to it01:28
TMMno rush01:28
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Lathiatsiretart: ping?01:41
siretartLathiat: pong01:46
Lathiatsiretart: my account on revu, i cant remember the password01:48
Lathiatbut if i get a gpg thing01:48
Lathiatit decrypts blank01:48
Lathiatso i figure its perhaps broken not i forgot it01:48
siretartI'll check01:48
siretartLathiat: http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw?email=siretart@tauware.de decrypts correctly for me.. huh?01:49
siretartLathiat: what was your gpg key again?01:49
Lathiatlathiat@bur.st01:50
Lathiatkey id DFC5559701:50
siretartstrange that key IS in the keyring01:50
Lathiatlike i can decrypt it just it comes out blank01:51
Lathiati'll try again01:51
Lathiatditto01:51
siretarthttp://revu.tauware.de/lostpw?email=lathiat@bur.st01:52
siretartthis is the email you are using, yes?01:52
Lathiatya01:52
Lathiatthats what i went to01:52
Lathiatyes01:52
Lathiathow can i make it decrypt output to a file01:52
Lathiatrather than stdout01:52
Lathiatmaybe it doesnt have a newline01:52
Lathiatand its getting overwritten01:52
Lathiator something01:52
siretartah, thats of corse possible01:53
siretartLathiat: I mailed your password01:53
Yagisansiretart: could you add me to reviewer status at revu - so I can leave comments re: working or not on amd64 ?01:53
Lathiatok01:53
Yagisansiretart: I just tested TMMs package - and I'd like to leave a note that it works01:54
Lathiatok i loged in now01:54
Lathiatthanks01:54
Lathiatcan i change that password?01:54
siretartby mailing me a new one :/01:54
Lathiathaha01:54
siretartor better: keyring@tiber.tauware.de01:54
tsengim a big fan of ff 1.501:55
Lathiatff 1.5 ?01:57
tsengfirefox beta01:58
siretartYagisan: you arn't motu yet, are you?01:58
siretartYagisan: the thing is, that reviewing is bound to advocating rights, in the current implementation01:58
Yagisansiretart: No - I'm not a motu. I do check the packages out and see if they abuild on amd64 though01:59
Yagisansiretart: I can't advocate - I can only do a basic portablity check02:00
siretartjupp. thats right02:00
siretartsorry, this is not possible, yet. will come with revu02:00
siretart202:00
Yagisansiretart: ok02:01
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LathiatFuddl: yo, left some comments on your quake3-data upload02:17
FuddlLathiat: k, i'll have a look at them later02:17
LathiatFuddl: just minor stuff, otherwise the rest is good02:18
Fuddljieehaa! :)02:18
Fuddlminor stuff sounds good :)02:18
siretartlike ubuntu ;)02:19
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Fuddlnot at the moment....02:19
=== siretart off - bye
Fuddlcu siretart02:19
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slomobah... why is the wiki so slow today :(02:20
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\shmoins ogra02:23
ograhea02:23
ogra*heya02:23
LathiatFuddl: oh and yes, congrautlations on uploading a *real* native package ;p02:23
Fuddlit wasn't my idea, i had a glance at quake2-data how they did the data-installer in that package02:25
tsengwhat happens if you use shareware data02:26
tsengis there a timer?02:26
tsengor i guess just no levels02:27
Fuddlupstream says, that pak-files from the demo won't work. well, i didn't try it at least, but a friend of mine reported it works fine02:27
Fuddlso i left out the option to install demo data, to avoid bug reports now or in the future02:28
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bddebianHeya gang02:37
spayneyo bddebian02:38
bddebianHello spayne02:38
bddebianslomo: You around?02:38
slomoyes02:38
bddebianslomo: Do you have any idea why wxwidgets2.6 failed on the buildds?  It builds fine for me and the build-dep it seems to fail on is there..?02:39
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slomobddebian: give me the buildlog :)02:40
bddebianslomo: Mine or from the buildd?02:41
slomobuildd02:41
bddebianhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/w/wxwidgets2.6/2.6.1.1ubuntu4/02:42
bddebiancrimsun: You around?02:45
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slomobddebian: i'll take a look after adding comments to the ftbfs page ;)02:50
bddebianNP02:51
slomobtw, we can remove all the mono stuff from there... ia64 has no mono and for all other archs everything builds02:52
bddebianAnd someone needs to build gnat on PPC for me ;-P02:53
slomognat was really big, wasn't it?02:53
slomobddebian: oh cool... i'll fix wxwidgets2.6... that looks interesting ;)02:54
bddebianslomo: What's to fix?02:55
slomodon't know yet... but it looks interesting ;)02:55
bddebianslomo: I don't know if gnat is big but it's one that needs itself to build ;-P02:55
slomobddebian: talk to lamont/infinity... maybe they bootstrap it on the buildds02:56
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\shbddebian: what about an old version of gnat using for the bootstrap process?02:57
bddebianI don't have PPC :-)02:58
slomobddebian: does it work on other archs?02:58
TMMYagisan, finially, I got your email :P02:58
bddebianI can't figure out where this libofx.la file is coming from in libofx :-(02:58
slomo\sh: our evolution bug seems to be the same... the backtrace are _very_ similar02:58
bddebianslomo: Just x8602:58
slomobddebian: libtool02:58
slomobddebian: and i look at it on my ibook later02:59
\shslomo: yepp02:59
\shslomo: evolution should take the imap stuff from kmail...which is working without any problems03:00
slomo\sh: and the one from the other guy too... i hope they get it fixed before breezy ;) seems to be very common and it is annoying03:00
bddebianslomo: It's no biggie but if you can, great03:00
slomobddebian: it's the gnu ada compiler, isn't it?03:00
bddebianYep03:00
slomook, i'll take a look at it03:01
slomonow... 2 packages at once ;)03:02
slomouh... 2 packages with 15 mb sources ;)03:02
bddebianheh03:04
YagisanTMM: Finally - that's one slow email system you have03:04
TMMyeah...03:05
TMMnormally it isn't that slow...03:05
bddebianslomo: What I mean is.  For libofx I need to keep libofx2 from trying to install the .la files, but I think libofx-dev still needs them.03:08
slomoerr03:09
slomowhy don't you want the .la files installed?03:09
slomothey _are_ needed03:09
slomobut in the -dev package03:09
bddebianRight, that is what I mean03:09
slomook, so where's the problem now? ;)03:10
bddebianthe libofx2 binary shouldn't install them but the libofx-dev binary should.  Right?03:10
slomoyes03:10
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bddebianThat's what I need to do.  Do I just use .files files?03:11
slomoyes... the -dev package should contain .a, .so and .la files for the libraries03:11
slomothe other package should contain .so.*03:11
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ivoks\sh: ping03:12
ivoks:)03:12
bddebianslomo: I know.  What I'm asking is how I do that properly? :-)03:12
bddebianHeya ivoks03:12
slomobddebian: look at my wavpack package for example ;)03:13
ivokshey all03:13
bddebianslomo: OK, thx03:13
ivokshow to upload other people's packages?03:13
slomobddebian: where does wxwidgets2.6*ubuntu4 come from? i only have ubuntu203:13
ivoksi can't get this right :/03:13
\shivoks: what's the problem?03:14
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ivoks\sh: i signed as you told me, and it didn't get uploaded03:14
\shivoks: what it says?03:14
ivoksnothing03:14
ivoksuploads, everything fine03:14
\shivoks: well..yes.03:14
bddebianslomo: Hmm, dunno, that's interesting03:14
\shivoks: because katie sends the report to markuman03:15
ivoksbut never apears on server (silently droped?)03:15
slomobddebian: hmm... what do you get when you do apt-get source wxwidgets2.6?03:15
\shif he's not whitelisted you don't see anything03:15
ivoks\sh: but it would apear on -changes, wouldn't it?03:15
\shivoks: it stays now in NEW and elmo has to push it03:15
\shivoks: no03:15
ivoks\sh: ah, ok03:15
\shivoks: until elmo frees it from NEW ;)03:15
ivoksok03:15
bddebianslomo: ubuntu2 and when I built it locally it was ubuntu203:15
\shmarkuman: are u whitelisted?03:15
ivoks\sh: thanks03:15
slomobddebian: oh... we're all blind ;)03:15
slomobddebian: count the .1 in the failed version03:16
bddebianhahaha03:16
slomobddebian: we have 2.6.1.1.1... 2.6.1.1 failed03:16
markuman\sh imho no :-/ someone said its enough to be in the keyring03:16
slomobddebian: ugly version numbers03:16
\shmarkuman: please send a mail to upload@ubuntulinux.org and tell elmo to whitelist your email address03:17
bddebianslomo: Should I just throw up the version I have then, or do you want to do it?03:17
slomobddebian: what did you "fix"?03:17
bddebianslomo: Nothing :-)03:17
slomobddebian: just this ftbfs which wasn't there? ;)03:17
bddebianYep03:17
slomobddebian: ok, why do you want to upload then?03:17
markuman\sh should i add my key in this mail?03:17
bddebianslomo: For a rebuild.03:18
\shmarkuman: no03:18
markumanok thx03:18
slomobddebian: why do we need a rebuild?03:18
\shmarkuman: the key you'll need only in LP03:18
bddebianooohhh, nm03:18
bddebianWe don't have the binaries in the archive though??03:18
slomobddebian: hmm... we have since some weeks unless elmo deleted them03:18
bddebianslomo: apt-cache madison wxwidgets2.603:19
spayneslomo: any news on ipod-sharp/banshee?03:19
slomobddebian: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/wxwidgets2.6/03:19
slomobddebian: but i wonder where the amd64 stuff is :o03:19
slomobddebian: oh... it is there03:19
slomolol03:19
slomospayne: yes... abock is slow and i'm still waiting for him ;)03:19
bddebianweird03:20
hwaarahello everyone, I'm new to ubuntu and am interested in helping out fixing bugs.03:20
slomobddebian: why?03:20
bddebianslomo: I couldn't see the binaries.. Hmm03:20
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slomobddebian: apt-get update?03:20
hwaarais there some guide anywhere on how to start compiling and everything?03:20
hwaaralike what tools do I need etc.03:21
\shhwaara: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources03:21
bddebianslomo: I update everyday :-)03:21
\shhwaara: and welcome to the universe :)03:21
hwaara\sh, thanks! :)   ubuntu seems like the only sensible platform that actually makes an effort to be easy to use03:21
slomobddebian: scary03:22
\shhwaara: well...it's easy to use but hard to fix ;)03:22
hwaarahehe03:22
hwaarathere are many things I want to fix upon first hour of using it03:22
bddebianslomo: I think it's me.  It was 1:00am and I think I was expecting a wxwidgets2.6 binary.. :-(  The whole reason this started is that one of these should provide wxPython.h shouldn't it?03:23
hwaarabut I guess there are bugs for most of the issues I've encountered already03:23
slomobddebian: python-wxgtk2.6 maybe?03:23
slomobddebian: hm no03:24
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slomobddebian: at least i have no wxPython.h installed...03:26
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bddebianslomo: Malone 288703:26
slomobddebian: please url... ;)03:26
tsengthere is a bot for that03:27
hwaaraman, this seems hard.  what are the principles of fixing bugs in ubuntu? do I recompile it all when I've fixed something in a menu for example?03:28
slomotseng: show me how to use him ;)03:28
tsenghe is in #ubuntu-bugs03:29
tsengmaybe he should be here03:29
slomoand how do i use him?03:29
tsengyou say malone #####03:29
tsengand it spits out the summary and url03:29
ogratseng, nope, more people should be in -bugs rather :)03:29
tsengi have so many channels =/03:30
slomotseng: thanks :)03:30
slomobddebian: i'll take this bug03:30
ogratseng, me too :/03:30
\shand me too too also ;)03:30
\shdholbach *argl*03:34
\shdholbach: u used bloody binary packages :(03:35
ograhe's not here03:35
\shi know...03:36
\shbut I had to say it ;)03:36
ograheh03:37
\shcome on guys...I'm working on universe ftbfs i386 ;)03:37
\shbddebian: hurry ;)03:37
slomook, i've made a "smart bookmark" for malone bugs ;)03:37
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bddebian\sh: ??03:38
\shbddebian: hurry up with the packages ;) I'm running again on max power ;)03:38
bddebian\sh: I gave up on the FTBFS list.  Most of them won't get uploaded anyway :-)03:38
\shbddebian: why?03:39
\shbddebian: most of them will be syncs03:39
bddebian\sh: Yeah that break a lot of other packages :-)03:39
tsengsigh03:40
\shbddebian: e.g.?03:40
bddebiansvgalib03:40
\shoh...03:40
\shso I shouldn't request a sync?03:40
bddebianDunno.  It has a ton of rdepends03:41
\shbddebian: aehm03:41
\shbddebian: we have 1.4.3-2003:41
\shbddebian: debian has 1.4.3-2203:41
\shwith gcc4 patches included...03:41
\shso no new API03:41
bddebianSo those are fair game?03:41
\shbddebian: I'll request the sync...if something happens...I'll get whipped03:42
tsengsounds safe to me03:42
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bddebianOK then.  I'm just a little jumpy since I seem to get myself in trouble often :-)03:42
\shtseng: if debian doesn't invent no new upstream API ;) it should be safe ;)03:42
tsengya03:42
\shbddebian: isn't it the fun behind working on this project?03:42
bddebiansure03:43
bddebian;-)03:43
\shthe only prolbem is...I'll spam elmo ;)03:44
=== sivang wonders what is the current discussion about
hwaaraI can't find any info on how to start out and compile ubuntu app, download the source etc.03:44
bddebiansivang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS03:45
hwaaraLooking on the developer resoirces page and the MOTU page didn't help03:45
tsenggoogle debian new maint guide03:45
\shhwaara: apt-get source <source package> is for downloading the source03:45
bddebianhwaara: apt-get source <source package>03:45
\shhwaara: wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto this is a howto to build you a building environment03:46
\shhwaara: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources are resources for more informations03:46
hwaara\sh: ok, great. I will look03:47
sivangbddebian: anything i can helpp you with?03:47
slomobddebian: morgue gnat... we have gnat-3.3, gnat-3.4 and gnat-4.003:47
hwaaraI realize it's a steep learning curve being new BOTH to linux and wanting to develop using it03:47
bddebiansivang: You can fix any of those listed on that list :-)03:47
bddebianslomo: For PPC?03:47
slomobddebian: yes03:47
bddebianHmm03:48
\shbtw...prost guys :)03:48
bddebianActually what I need is to build libflorist with it ;-)03:48
slomobddebian: build-depend on gnat-4.003:48
sivangbddebian: ok, should I just look at lamont's build log?03:49
bddebiansivang: apt-get source, try to build it and see if it pukes.  IF it does, fix it ;-)03:50
sivangbddebian: ok, any of the packages will do? :-)03:51
bddebiansivang: Should03:52
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slomodoko: what do you think about malone 2887? shall i include the headers with the wxheaders package? or python-wxgtk?04:03
slomodoko: and what's about eclipse :( still not for amd64/ppc04:03
dokoslomo: be patient and wait. please ask the debian maintainer about wxwidgets04:06
slomodoko: ok04:07
sivangbddebian: what is the popcon?04:07
Petrov*hello04:08
bddebiansivang: Popularity Contest.  Shows what packages are most highly utilized by users.04:09
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bddebianWhere should /usr/share/foo/dtd/ stuff go?  foo or foo-dev ?04:10
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sivangbddebian: ah right, it's from deiban , I recall now04:15
bddebianIt is becoming blatantly apparent that I really am too stupid for this work. :'-(04:36
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\shbddebian: drink a beer first...then work ;)04:38
\shbddebian: u will see, you feel much better after drinking a beer ;)04:38
\shbddebian: just like neo and his cookie ;)04:38
bddebianHeh04:39
bddebianSeriously.  I can't even figure out something as simple as removing the .la file from libofx2 :'-(04:39
Lathiathaha04:40
Lathiatjust remove it from the install files?04:40
bddebianLathiat: There were no install files.  I tried adding them but to no avail04:40
bddebianLathiat: Did you get boson-base to work?04:40
Lathiatah nice, DD fixed a drivel bug i reported yesterday04:40
Lathiatbddebian: no04:40
Lathiati tried to fix the error to no avail04:40
bddebianDoh04:41
Lathiati will try with g++-3.4 and the current version04:41
\sh bddebian -3ubuntu3?04:42
bddebianThere is a .spec file which seems to work similarly but I don't see a differentiation between the libofx2 and libofx-dev04:42
bddebian\sh: ??04:42
bddebian\sh: Oh, yes04:42
slomobddebian: shall i take a look at ofx?04:42
Lathiatfuck this gnome-terminal/irssi/screen bug is shitting me today04:43
bddebianI guess since apparently I'm a fucking idiot :'-(04:43
\shbddebian: look at this04:43
\sh dh_movefiles -plibofx-dev \04:43
\sh                usr/lib/*.so \04:43
\sh                usr/include04:43
\shbddebian: now adjust it with04:43
\shdh_movefiles -plibofx-dev \ usr/lib/*.so \ usr/lib/*.la \ usr/include04:43
bddebian\sh: That's fine but does that take it out of the libofx2 package?04:44
\shbddebian: lemme check04:44
\shbddebian: normally it moves from debian/tmp/usr/lib/ the *.so file and *.la file to debian/libofx-dev04:45
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slomobddebian: it should take it out... at least it's called "move"04:45
\shbddebian: but I check it now ;)04:45
sivangand ^D in mutt does help , but there are so many threads04:45
ivoksbye all04:48
\shLathiat: use dircproxy04:48
Lathiat\sh: i could use irssiproxy too04:48
Lathiatbut i prefer just usign irssi04:48
Lathiatbut gnome-terminal sucks04:48
Lathiatbut i cant stand using any other terminal04:48
Lathiatno tabs, no url highlighting04:49
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\shbddebian: works..do it like i said04:50
\sh        dh_movefiles -plibofx-dev \04:51
\sh                usr/lib/*.so \04:51
\sh                usr/lib/*.la \04:51
\sh                usr/include04:51
\shLathiat: konsole ;)04:51
\shbddebian: or should I upload now?04:52
bddebian\sh: Sure since you already fixed it ;-)  Make sure you take out the Replaces: lines too then and make a comment about my stupid ass in the changelog :-)04:53
\shtake out? the Replaces?04:53
\shwhy?04:53
\shit replaces libofx1c2 and libofx104:53
Lathiat\sh: konsole doesnt do url highlighting04:53
Lathiati tried :)04:53
bddebianThat .la being in the libofx2 package is the only reason that replaces was there04:53
\shbddebian: ok...04:54
\shLathiat: fix it ;)04:54
Lathiatwhy when i can use gnome terminal? ;p04:55
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\shbddebian: check just now the -changes ;)04:56
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\shok...04:58
=== Lathiat stares at the buildlogs
Lathiathwo many dr05:03
Lathiathow many times did qbankmanager try to build05:04
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\shLathiat: there is an issue...it went to main05:04
bddebianLathiat: It's supposed to be in Universe and ended up in main apparently05:04
\shLathiat: but should be in universe05:04
\shactually not barrys fault :)05:04
Lathiathaha05:04
bddebianYeah, that's 1 :)05:04
Lathiatah i see it was depwaiting or something05:04
Lathiatbut like, it tried to buidl like 100 times05:05
Lathiathttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/buildlogs/05:05
\shThe '/me is now known as Jesus' Upload, helped out God05:05
\sh   * debian/rules: adjusted dh_movefiles to move *.la files to libofx-dev05:05
\sh     package05:05
\sh   * debian/control: removed Replaces:05:05
\sh*lol*05:05
\sh*strike*05:05
Lathiatlol \sh05:05
Lathiati see syncs en masse happening05:06
bddebianDoh05:06
bddebian\sh: You truly are deranged ;-)05:06
Lathiatbddebian: ah, btu what would you do without jesus :)05:06
\shbddebian: I love u too dude :)05:06
bddebianLathiat: I'd be screwed because I'm an idiot05:07
Lathiatits ok, you do enough work to balance out the fuckups :)05:07
bddebianHeh, thanks. (I think) :)05:07
\shas I wrote in my blog... it was god's hand, that bddebian found the way to the motus :)05:08
bddebian\sh: :-)05:08
\shbddebian: btw...31st is halloween..so why don't u take your wife+children and make a trip to montreal? ;)05:09
bddebian\sh: I wish05:09
\shbddebian: so tell your wife: "Maria, my son is waiting in Montreal" ;)05:10
Lathiathaha05:10
bddebianhehe05:11
\shhmm../me will not enter to heaven05:11
\sh-to05:11
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bddebianUh oh05:13
\shazeem: nice...thx :) ghemical ftbfs (latest debian)05:13
\shazeem: -1 that is, right?05:14
azeemno -205:14
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\shgrmpf...05:14
\shhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/ghemical05:15
\shthat's -105:15
\shbut http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ghemical&searchon=sourcenames&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all05:15
azeemSource package: ghemical (1.90-2)05:15
\shthat's -205:15
azeem\sh: is that from your browser cache?05:15
\shazeem: I don't use caches at all :)=05:15
azeemhrm05:15
azeemI get -2 here from packages.d.o05:15
\shhmmm...05:16
\shanyways..moment05:16
\shgnarf05:16
\shsomething's wrong with ff05:16
\shI disabled cache05:16
\shbut05:17
\shbah05:17
\shazeem: k...build again...and request the sync05:17
\shbddebian: u see /me is also brainfcked05:18
azeem\sh: thanks05:18
bddebian\sh: Bah :-)05:18
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ograARGH05:19
=== bddebian thinks it's time for azeem to be MOTU ;-)
\sh*lol*05:19
\shI knew that I will awake ogra ;)05:19
\shhmmm...no beer anymore05:19
ogra#ubuntu-motu-de-morning, #ubuntu-motu-de-noon, #ubuntu-motu-de-night, #ubuntu-motu-de-north, #ubuntu-motu-de-south, #ubuntu-motu-de-east, #ubuntu-motu-de-west05:20
ograyay05:20
bddebianheh05:20
Lathiathaha05:20
ogratime for xinerama to fit the xchat tablist in...05:20
\shogra: what about a "after release meeting @eifel"05:20
ograsure, why not :)05:21
\shogra: k...14th I'll come after work ;)05:21
ografine :)05:21
\shogra: but this time I'll pay the beer :)05:21
ograheh05:21
ograas you like :)05:21
slomoogra: hehe... i get my second tft on my next birthday ;) it's really needed with thta many channels05:21
\shogra: u can buy the whisky for suse ;)05:21
Fuddldid i hear "beer"? ;)05:22
bddebianHmm, it appears that elmo has awoken :-)05:22
\shbddebian: long ago ;)05:22
ograbddebian, i think he highlights backports ;)05:22
sivang\sh, ogra : I Want to come as well :) shame I don't leave near by05:22
\shsivang: elkhouse.de ?05:23
bddebianNo, I meant a bunch of sync requests I sent him a while back just came through :-)05:23
ograi'll have a place for you if you're naer once, sivang05:23
\shit's rings a bell for me05:23
ograbddebian, yes, but the alert wen off and awoke him when i said backports in -devel ;)05:23
ogra*went05:23
bddebianogra: ;-)05:23
\shsivang: elkhouse is duisburg :)05:24
\shsivang: so where u coming from? ,-)05:24
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\shazeem: again05:24
\shazeem: er -lSCmisc -lSCstate -lSCkeyval -lSCclass -lSCcontainer -lSCref -lfl -ldl -lpthread -llapack -lblas -lfrtbegin -lg2c -lm -lgcc_s -lmopac7 -lopenbabel   -lglut -lXmu -lg2c -lm05:24
\sh/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmopac705:24
bddebianShould be there, I synced it a little while ago05:25
sivang\sh: lol, I'm in .il, using a server in .de :)05:25
\shsivang: hahahaha05:25
\shsivang: so it's ok for the mossad to use a .de server? ,-)05:25
sivang\sh: hey, that's not funny :-)05:26
sivang\sh: it's pitti's server, that he with his kindness provided me with an account for mail and irssi, I would be lost with out it as such offering almost does not exist here :)05:27
azeem\sh: strange, 1.90-1 built fine on i386, and nothing changed in the Build-Deps05:28
sivang\sh: also has an ingeniously choosen name "piware.de" :)05:29
sivang\sh: elkhouse are the server farm company05:30
bddebianWhy is spidermonkey on our list it builds fine for me??05:31
slomobddebian: maybe outdated list ;)05:38
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\shazeem: do u have an ubuntu breezy pbuilder?05:43
azeemI have a breezy chroot and sbuild05:43
\shazeem: even 1.90-1 and this failed as well05:43
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azeemI wonder why the buildd succeeded then05:44
\shazeem: can u check it with a pbuilder?05:46
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azeemI just upgraded my chroot and started another build05:47
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\shazeem: ah here05:49
\shlibmopac7-dev05:49
\shthis is not in b-d05:49
azeem\sh: because it is getting built without mopac support in Debian05:50
\shazeem: well...05:50
\shazeem: I used the debian package...05:50
azeembut Jordan Mantha added libmopac to libghemical for Ubuntu05:50
\shazeem: so I'll add libmopac7-dev to b-d and check again05:50
\shazeem: after this check I'll upload this as -2ubuntu105:51
azeemmaybe one could argue that libghemical-dev should depend on libmopac-dev, rather...05:52
\shazeem: well...u r the maintainer ;)05:52
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\shhttp://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=iol112869471388A55105:55
azeemwell, do the change for breezy now, no need to mess around too much05:55
azeemI just heard about a proper fix from upstream I'll integrate into libghemical and ghemical, and will enable Mopac while I'm at it05:55
\shazeem: what about becoming a motu? ;)05:56
\shazeem: builds05:57
azeemI am considering this for post-breezy, to maintain my science/chemical packages more easily both in Debian and Ubuntu05:57
azeemI don't plan to do any general MOTU work, though05:57
azeemah05:59
azeem Subject: Log for successful build of ghemical_1.90-2 (dist=breezy)05:59
azeemlibghemical-dev: already installed05:59
azeemthat's why, I had a local version installed in the chroot05:59
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\shazeem: ah...that's why I believe pbuilder more then my chroot ;)06:00
azeemthe Debian version, not the Ubuntu-modified one06:00
\shazeem: btw..upload06:00
azeem\sh: nobody told me Ubuntu changed libghemical :)06:00
\shed06:00
azeemok, thanks06:01
\shazeem: me neither ;) I don't even know ghemical ;)06:01
\shbut this happens all the time with me...06:01
ograthere is no trace inthe changelog that it was ever changed06:02
azeemusually I point sbuild to a local APT source with the additional packages - must've been lazy06:02
azeemogra: libghemical?06:02
ograChanges:06:02
ogra libghemical (1.90-1) unstable; urgency=low06:02
ogra .06:02
ogra   * Initial Release.06:02
ograthats all06:03
ograno further uploads etc06:03
azeemhrm06:03
azeemhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/patches/libghemical/libghemical_1.90-1ubuntu1_packaging.patch06:03
ograbddebian, ?? ^^^ your name stick on it06:03
ogra*sticks06:03
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\shVersion: 1.90-1ubuntu106:04
\shogra: it's in06:04
ograyes, i just saw its in hoary, koke changed it06:05
ograerr, nope06:05
ograthats not libghemical06:05
\sh+libghemical (1.90-1ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low06:05
\sh+06:05
\sh+  * Added MOPAC7 support06:05
\sh+06:05
\sh+ -- Jordan Mantha <mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu>  Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:04:04 -070006:05
ograit doesnt show up on neither hoary nor breezy changes06:05
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ogra\sh, who is Jordan Mantha ?06:06
azeemGet:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe libghemical-data 1.90-1ubuntu1 [124kB] 06:06
\shogra: I don't know06:06
ograi mean, how can that have a ubuntuX version but no apparent ubuntu changes in any changelog06:07
slomohmm... does someone know if "Jorge Daza Garcia-Blanes" is still active here? i haven't seen him for a long time06:07
\sh -- Jordan Mantha <mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu>  Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:04:04 -070006:07
\shslomo: comrejda ?06:07
ograslomo, comadreja ?  he was here last week06:07
slomook... anyway, i fixed a package by him... i'll tell him when he's back ;)06:08
\shanyways..06:08
\shI need to buy some drinks...and get my washing06:09
azeemhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-October/012373.html06:09
azeemogra: ^^06:09
ograwho the heck is Jordan Mantha ??06:09
ografunny06:09
\shazeem: it's not in my archive06:09
ograneither in mine...06:10
azeemhe has an university email address, probably he had personal interest in ghemical and got it sponsored by somebody?06:10
ograbut i know why ;)06:10
ogra\sh, do you collect katie mails in a separate folder too ?  :)06:10
\shogra: yes...and the -changes as well06:11
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ograhe's not whitelisted06:11
ograso this mail came from katie ....06:11
bddebianThere is Jordan :)06:11
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\shogra: but libghemical should be listed06:11
bddebianogra: LaserJock == Jordan06:11
ograbddebian, i'm fine now :)06:11
ograwe found the missing bit....06:11
LaserJockheah everybody06:11
spaynetseng: ping06:11
LaserJockdid I screw something up?06:12
tsengspayne: yes?06:12
spaynetseng: email back from elmo - resapplet never made it to NEW06:12
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spaynetseng: "It never made it to NEW:06:12
spayne| resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu1_source.changes06:12
spayne| REJECT06:12
spayne| Rejected: resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu1.dsc refers to resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30.orig.tar.gz, but I can't find it in the queue or in the pool.06:12
spayne| Rejecting."06:12
tsengi see, right06:12
tsengyay for no email06:12
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sistpotyhi folks06:13
bddebianHeya sistpoty06:13
spaynetseng: did i do something wrong?06:13
tsengyes06:13
sistpotyhave you been requesting syncs already?06:14
tsengsource.changes doesnt include a hash of the .orig.gz or so06:14
Fuddlhi sistpoty06:14
sistpotyhi Firetech06:14
sistpotyFuddl even ;)06:14
tsengi dont have the sources anymore06:14
tsengspayne: are you whitelisted yet?06:14
spaynetseng: yes06:14
tsengok06:14
spaynetseng: http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet06:15
\shok...going shopping06:15
LaserJockbddebian: did i mess something up?06:15
sistpotyhf \sh06:15
sistpotyerm... \sh: did you request syncs from debian for ftbfs today?06:15
\shsistpoty: yepp06:15
sistpotyfor atlas3 as well?06:16
bddebianLaserJock: No.  Did you get a reject from katie though?06:16
\shsistpoty: but only for the stuff mentioned my name06:16
sistpotyah, ok... thx06:16
\shsistpoty: well..but it's a good idea to collect all syncs and send them directly to elmo06:16
LaserJockbddebian: no I haven't gotten anything from katie06:16
\shagain...couple of mins away06:16
bddebianLaserJock: OK.  That was probably my fault.  I should have known that you probably weren't whitelisted06:17
LaserJockbddebian: so what did katie send you?06:17
bddebianLaserJock: Nothin, that was the problem :)06:17
LaserJockawww, I see06:18
sistpotytseng: i guess I'll leave the mono packages on the ftbfs list alone?06:18
tsengsistpoty: huh what?06:18
sistpotyUniverseFTBFS... dholbachs reports of automatic testbuilds06:18
tsengdo what you want, mono is not FTBFS06:19
tsengsorry i am working on something atm06:19
sistpotytseng: ok06:19
tsengspayne: lets look at this please06:20
tsenghttp://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet/resapplet_0.0.7+cvs2005.09.30-0ubuntu1_source.changes06:20
tsengyou will notice that you dont see a hash for resaplet orig.tar.gz06:20
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tsengsince its the first upload for this version, there is no orig.tar.gz on the server06:20
spayneright06:20
tsengnext time, dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot06:20
tsengsign all06:21
ivokshi06:21
LaserJockbddebian: have you talked to azeem about the changes I made to libghemical?06:21
spaynetseng: what should i do then?06:21
Lathiathaha06:21
Lathiatspeak of the devil06:21
Lathiatwe were just talkign about you LaserJock06:21
Lathiatwell, 5 minutes ago06:21
Lathiat:)06:21
azeembddebian hates me06:21
tsengspayne: you should.. know better in the future06:21
bddebianazeem: I do?06:21
azeemhe doesn't tell me such things06:21
bddebianLaserJock: No, I think they were working on an update today??06:22
LaserJockwell, I don't want to screw up other people's (especially much smarter people's) packages06:22
pefcan someone explain me this : http://paste.uni.cc/7838 ?06:23
azeemLaserJock: nah, it's fine.  I'll include your mopac patch into the Debian package at the earliest possibility, but right now ghemical's upstream CVS repo is acting up06:24
Lathiatpef: its not diffing binary files perhaps?06:24
pefLathiat: you're right06:25
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spaynetseng: do i need to fix something?06:25
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LaserJockazeem: anything I can help with? I'm still learning a lot about packageing but I would like to help if I can06:26
tsengspayne: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot06:27
tsengspayne: upload the package when changes is correct and lists orig.tar.gz06:27
azeemLaserJock: Tommi Hassinen wrote that he committed a patch for 64bit arches to CVS earlier today, I am trying to get this from CVS and upload new packages for libghemical and ghemical, including your enable-mopac patch06:28
azeemLaserJock: if mopac is there, I think ghemical is pretty current packaging-wise, dunno how good the GTK2 interface will work out in practise though, will need some testing06:29
azeemLaserJock: but if you have any suggestions, let me know06:29
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LaserJockazeem: yeah, I have noticed that the menu doesn't scale right when resizing the window and right now "add hydrogens" just seg faults06:30
azeemLaserJock: if you are using ghemical a bit, could you report those upstream?06:31
azeemI don't use it that often06:31
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LaserJockazeem: I haven't really seen much of a bugzilla or anything for ghemical but if I make a list of bugs and email them to you is that ok?06:32
spaynetseng: done - they are at the same palce06:33
sistpotyping slomo06:33
azeemLaserJock: that's fine, otherwise you could also mail the devel list at  ghemical-devel@bioinformatics.org06:33
slomosistpoty: pong06:33
ivoksthis is killing me :)06:33
LaserJockazeem: ok cool, thanks for looking at my patch BTW06:34
sistpotyslomo: do you have some experience with libwxgtk-package (i saw you in the changelog ;)06:34
sistpoty?06:34
slomosistpoty: not really... but what do you want to do?06:34
tsengspayne: ok06:35
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sistpotyslomo: i suspect a problem in the lib somewhere, as it (kinda randomly) segfaults. real problem is that this is killing the mouse and x needs to be restarted06:35
sistpotyslomo: so i hoped you had some clues on this... ;)06:35
slomosistpoty: ok, forget it ;)06:35
tsengspayne: looks better, uploading06:36
spayneso, if it works, how will i find out?06:36
tsengyou will get an email if you are really whitlisted06:36
sistpotyslomo: malone 2912... this seems to be pretty important for edubuntu (jelkner mailed me after accepting the bug) :(06:36
tsengin the next few minutes06:37
slomosistpoty: tried gdb?06:37
spaynetseng: you don't believe me :)06:37
tsenghow do you mean06:37
tsengoh06:37
spaynejust kidding :)06:37
sistpotyslomo: yep... but w.o. symbols pretty useless. and i weren't able to use the -dbg package for the python-stuff (strange enough, the python-dbg is not in the archives)06:38
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\shre06:45
tsenghi06:46
slomosistpoty: fix wxwidgets2.6 to include the dpg package ;)06:49
tsengspayne: do you have an email06:49
spayneyes - i have recenetly changed06:49
spaynei used to be spayne@evolutioncolt.com but i am now spayne@evolutionconsultancy.com06:49
tsengi mean do you have an email from katie06:50
sistpotyslomo: hehe... I'm just trying with a new upstream version... but wxpython refused to work after that :(06:50
spaynetseng: let me check06:51
spaynetseng: no06:51
tsengplease look again in 5 minutes06:53
tsengum06:53
tsengdoes spayne@evolutioncolt.com still ork06:53
spayneyeh06:53
tsengthat is where your email is going06:53
spayneit works06:54
tsengassuming you got the right thing whitelisted06:54
spayneit works fien06:54
tsengif not06:54
tsengwe are totally in the dark still06:54
tsengwhat address is whitelisted?06:54
spayneboth of them06:54
spaynetseng: elmo said he has06:54
tsengok.06:54
spaynetseng: might take a while to get through my ClamAV/SpamAssassin stuff06:56
tsengi see06:57
\shdholbach: come and get your bum whipped06:59
tseng:/07:00
\shall lists diffs between test builds and popcon are somehow useless07:00
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bddebianbbl07:09
Lathiatajmitch: yay avahi :)07:14
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\shtseng: fix mythtv for amd64 first07:15
tseng\sh: i dont have an amd6407:15
\shtseng: ah well...then ..I'm just teasing :)07:16
Lathiatany particular reasn the universe-bugs list is hidden from the list summary?07:19
sistpotyanyone to sponsor http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/intflonts_1.2.1-3_to_intlfonts_1.2.1-3ubuntu1.debdiff07:19
sistpoty`07:19
sistpoty?07:19
Lathiati would but i dont have a key in the keyring yet :)07:20
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Diablo-D3ugh07:20
=== Diablo-D3 forgot to post the bt for ardour
Lathiatwhos daniel t chen?07:22
Lathiatah, crimsum07:22
Lathiatcrimsun: bug 2924, did you do anythign about that07:22
siretartsistpoty: phew, 15mb download ;)07:22
sistpotyhi siretart07:22
siretarthuhu07:23
sistpotysiretart: but the debdiff is really small ;)07:23
siretartsistpoty: I checked the buildlogs. fix looks sane. uploading07:25
sistpotythx siretart07:25
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sistpotyok, I'm off for today... cya07:33
FuddlLathiat: i uploaded new quake3 packages to revu. btw, i cannot fix the svn-complains, because upstream requires to build quake3 from a co'ed tree.07:38
siretartFuddl: done.07:39
siretartFuddl: the makefiles rely on svn output in the makefiles. I noticed this, don't worry in this case07:40
Fuddlyep, that's it. i even forgot the details, already07:40
pefLathiat: my problem was files hard linked :D07:41
Fuddlsiretart: btw... did anybody package nexuiz already? :)07:41
siretartFuddl: I think \sh had a look at it. Not sure, though07:42
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Fuddli think nexuiz had kind of "strange" license, too. i believe the data files weren't very "free", so they might also require a "nexuiz-data" package, which postinsts stuff07:43
siretartFuddl: there is a debian ITP for it: #311479 - perhaps it's worth asking alexander about his status with the packages07:43
\shwhat?07:43
Fuddl\sh: siretart said, that you might have a glance at packaging nexuiz?07:43
siretartI think the problem with nexuiz was that 140mb data files are inacceptable for the debian archive07:44
\shFuddl: wth is nexuiz?? :)07:44
Fuddleeeh.... ok.... so.... you didn't already :)07:44
Fuddl\sh: ... oh, and nexuiz is a fps, built on a modified quake1 engine. looks funny but i don't like it that much07:45
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siretart\sh: perhaps I confuse that with njam07:47
\shFuddl: ohoh..../me and quake stuff07:47
\shsiretart: yes ;)07:47
Fuddlsiretart: 140mb and/or the license on the data...07:47
\shFuddl: i can't even play quake correctly ;) i'M a n00b in things like 3d shooter..only with cheats I'm able to win07:47
Fuddl\sh: i'm a noob, either. there's no reason to worry!07:48
LathiatFuddl: see the error, you can export, rather than checkout07:48
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siretartLathiat: did you try to build with an exported tree?07:50
siretartsince upstream didn't do a release yet, I wouldn't insist on it. that lintian warning is imo overrated anyway07:50
Fuddli tried it once, with a co <= 130 and it didn't compile07:51
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Fuddlbut there would be more things to fix in upstream... autotools would really be nice :)07:51
Fuddlbrb, smoking :)07:52
\shoh...yeah..smoking and beer ;)07:52
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\shwell...07:55
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\shbeer, cigarette and compiling sources..what else can we wish for07:55
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\shmoins bmonty_laptop08:00
bmonty_laptophi everyone08:00
LaserJockdo any of you know where to get a log of this channel?08:01
bmonty_laptopthere are logs, but I don't have the URL here...I think it is in the wiki08:06
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\shsiretart: ping...it's halloween time while we're in montreal ;)08:26
siretartw00t!08:26
siretart:)08:26
\shyeah...31st ;)08:27
\shsiretart: so we need some pumpkins ;)08:30
Diablo-D3crimsun: you know what we need?08:31
Diablo-D3something that automatically files bugs for us08:31
dholbachDiablo-D3: we have enough, kthxbye08:31
Diablo-D3dholbach: hah08:31
Diablo-D3seriously08:31
dholbachDiablo-D3: you should receive some...08:31
Diablo-D3filing a bug with a bt in it shouldnt be so clunky08:31
siretart\sh: hrhr08:32
\shbt?08:32
dholbachi suppose he means backtraces08:32
siretartbug tracker?08:32
Diablo-D3gdb bt08:32
siretarttrace, even08:32
=== siretart hungry and out for dinner. cu!
dholbachsiretart: bon apptit08:32
\shsiretart: hf :)08:32
=== \sh is collecting syncs
Diablo-D3btw, is there a list of metapackages in ubuntu?08:33
Diablo-D3like, I just learned of xubuntu-desktop today08:33
=== Diablo-D3 bets there are others he doesnt know of
hwaara_how do I install all the packages to develop in ubuntu?08:38
hwaara_is there some central panel in ubuntu for this?08:38
dholbachhwaara_: build-essential (and for a packager devscripts) are a good start08:39
dholbachnot to say essential08:39
hwaara_where do I find this? sorry I'm new to ubuntu08:40
dholbachthose are packages you could install08:41
dholbachit depends on what you are trying to do08:41
Diablo-D3build-essential is very handy imo08:41
Diablo-D3hwaara_: open a terminal, sudo apt-get install build-essential08:42
hwaara_is there a graphical interface for this ?08:43
Diablo-D3yeah, synaptic08:43
Diablo-D3though I find synaptic difficult to use08:43
hwaara_heh08:44
hwaara_that's a bug and you should file it08:44
hwaara_or file a bug on every sub-issue08:44
Diablo-D3well08:51
Diablo-D3its not a 'bug'08:51
Diablo-D3I find gui programs a pain in the ass sometimes08:52
Diablo-D3like, a simple apt-cache search foo | grep bar | grep baz is infinitely more powerful than anything you can do with a gui.08:52
hwaara_sure, since it's a very dynamic command08:56
hwaara_I don't think regular home users will often need that power though :)08:56
hwaara_but ideal are always easy-to-use programs that combine power and usability/easyness08:57
Diablo-D3which makes the terminal the ideal program ;)08:58
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dholbachdid anybody see how the MOTURuby team TOOK OFF?09:03
dholbachi'm so happy with their enthusiasm09:04
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Diablo-D3http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/xmms-openspc09:06
Diablo-D3big bad frown09:06
Diablo-D3they have a package we dont09:07
dholbachDiablo-D3: that's because the autosync stopped with upstream version freeze09:08
dholbachDiablo-D3: if you confirm that it builds and works for you and is something we should really really have, then speak up09:09
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dholbachif it's just for the reason that "they have something we don't"...09:09
Diablo-D3its something thats worth having imo09:09
dholbachdid you build it in pbuilder?09:09
Diablo-D3I havent built it myself yet09:10
=== Diablo-D3 is using the debian package for it atm
dholbachthen you should :)09:10
Diablo-D3I'm working with the author to figure out why it doesnt compile from original source using ubuntu xmms09:10
dholbachthat's why i said: "<dholbach> Diablo-D3: if you confirm that it builds and works for you and is something we should really really have, then speak up"09:10
dholbach...09:10
Diablo-D3dholbach: thats not what I meant09:11
Diablo-D3apparently the debian version is patched09:11
dholbachthen please get the debian source and build the package09:12
Diablo-D3dholbach: which I said I'll do!09:12
dholbachelse i won't waste more time to get it in09:12
dholbachthanks09:12
\shhmmm...any java experts here?09:13
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Diablo-D3how hard is it to become a motu?09:18
\shhard09:19
\shu have to apply as member first and sign the coc09:19
Diablo-D3the what?09:19
Diablo-D3\sh: english please09:19
\shDiablo-D3: CoC== Code Of Conduct09:19
\shplease check the wiki for the member process09:19
\shhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct09:20
hwaara_\sh, depends how expert09:20
\shhwaara_: well...the member process is always the first step to become a MOTU ;)09:21
Diablo-D3I dont literally have to sign the CoC do I?09:21
\shDiablo-D3: u sign it with your gpg key or with a handwritten signature09:21
Diablo-D3okay, good.09:22
Diablo-D3\sh: please stop using 'u'09:22
hwaara_\sh, huh?09:22
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hwaara_I thought you were looking for java help? :)09:23
\shDiablo-D3: well...I can't stop using the normal chatter slang :( I should write a macro for substitute a "u" for a "you" like xchat does09:23
Diablo-D3Yes, 'u' should.09:23
\shhwaara_: ah jave ;)09:23
\shaeh java09:24
\shhwaara_: could you check pdftk?09:24
hwaara_I don't even know what/where that is09:24
\shDiablo-D3: u know who invented "u" or "r"?09:24
hwaara_probably I won't be able to help you unless it's a general question :)09:25
\shhwaara_: well..me neither...but if failes to build :)09:25
\shhwaara_: and honestly, I never learned java at university09:25
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\shhwaara_: so I'm a n00b ;)09:25
Diablo-D3\sh: no, but I know where my foot is going to go in a few minutes.09:25
\shDiablo-D3: well...the idea behind "u" and "r" and other sounds of the anglo-saxxon alphabet was to save bandwidth..09:26
\shDiablo-D3: so the bitnet people and beginning irc people invented those "abbreviations".09:27
Diablo-D3yeah but you forgot something09:28
Diablo-D3I have a cluebat and I know how to use it.09:28
dholbachMAN09:28
dholbachdrop it09:28
\shDiablo-D3: that's the reason why, nobody will speak for you to become a motu or a member09:28
Diablo-D3\sh: oh hah hah09:29
dholbachDiablo-D3: that's nothing anybody in here can laugh about09:29
Diablo-D3Well, seeing as you'd only be hurting Ubuntu by pushing potential motus away, its hillarious.09:30
dholbach?09:30
\shBe considerate. Be respectful. Be collaborative. When you disagree, consult others. When you are unsure, ask for help. Step down considerately.09:30
dholbachyou're being respectless09:31
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=== Lathiat thinks Diablo-D3 should go waste someone elses time
tsengi already warned him once that i dont have patience for this09:34
Lathiattseng: deployed my first rails app last weekend09:36
\shtseng: well..we know him from #ubuntu-laptop...but anyways...I think a human being can change...09:36
Lathiatwas quite good, development time was like nothign compared to the PHP crap i had09:36
tseng\sh: I dont.09:36
Diablo-D3\sh: you mean I know you from #ubuntu-laptop.09:36
tsengLathiat: hm "deployment"?09:37
tsengLathiat: i think the deployment options for rails atm are all pretty poor09:37
Lathiattseng: well, we run an event every couple months09:37
Lathiatand it runs the intranet for said event09:37
Lathiatand by deployment i mean, i used it in production :)09:37
Lathiathad some problems at the start, had it running on a p833 with 128M ram and it choked09:37
tsengapache + fastcgi?09:37
\shDiablo-D3: I think it's time to set you on ignore...thx for coming along09:37
Lathiatmostly on the ram09:37
Lathiatyeh09:37
tsengi dont like fastcgi09:38
Lathiatinterestingly when i moved it to my laptop, it hardly used any of the resources it was using on that box so i have no idea what was up09:38
Lathiatperhaps because it was running some quirky point of deian unstable09:38
Lathiatand it had a dodgy apache or something i dunno09:38
Lathiattseng: why not?09:38
Lathiatit seems to work09:38
Lathiatnot really scalable for multi-user hosting09:38
tsengbecause it runs several threads for every app09:38
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tsengyes.. all my production boxes have many users09:38
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Lathiat because youd end up with fastcgi processes for every web app09:39
\shwow...09:39
Lathiatwhich would be a bit of a resource hog09:39
tsengthere is a high memory and administration over head for *every* rails app on the box09:39
Lathiattseng: right09:39
Lathiatmemory is the killer really09:39
Lathiatat least that was what was killing me09:39
tsengyeah i hit the ceiling on my linode also09:40
tsengwith a very simple app09:40
Lathiatheh09:40
Lathiatthe real magic behidn rails is activerecord09:40
tsengive already used AR in standalone apps09:40
Lathiatits what saved half of my time09:40
Lathiatyeh09:40
tsengthing is09:40
tsengi waste alot of time trying to do more complex sutff with it09:41
Lathiattseng: i found that at first09:41
Lathiatbut i found it just required me to learn hwo to use it better09:41
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Lathiatget to knwo the api etc09:41
Lathiataltho it still hold strue to some point09:41
Lathiatmakes silly things easy09:41
Lathiatbut hard things harder09:41
tsengright09:41
Lathiatbut it definately lessened as i got to know how to use it better09:42
Lathiattime will tell09:43
Lathiati wonder how textdrive handles hosting so much rails stuff09:43
Lathiatlike last check they were doing fastcgi09:43
Lathiati wonder if09:43
Lathiatmuch of it gets shared09:43
tsengthere are some tricks to do fastcgi configs dynamically on directory layout09:45
tsengmod_vhost and all that09:45
tsengthen you just load the box to the max with DIMMs09:45
Lathiatheh09:46
Lathiat8x2GB :)09:46
Lathiatdual otperon 248s or something09:46
Lathiatwith a thumping raid array09:46
tsengsure, why not09:47
Lathiatbut yeh, its definately resource intensive09:47
Lathiatadodb & smarty make php nicer09:47
tsengi use pear-db09:47
Lathiatyeh?09:47
Lathiati should look at it09:47
tsengits ok09:48
Lathiati mean adodb isnt active record, but it has a few nice things for free09:48
Lathiatdoes asp.net have anything like AR?09:48
tsengthere is a .net port of ar09:49
tsengim not sure if there is something nice in the platform itself09:49
Lathiaturl?09:49
tsengasp.net excites me about enough to take a nap09:49
Lathiathaha09:49
Lathiatim just curious09:49
Lathiati used asp like09:49
Lathiat5 years ago or something09:49
Lathiati think i made a page that said helloworld in the <% :)09:50
tsengthats nothing to do with asp.net09:50
Lathiatusing PWS09:50
Lathiatthat beast09:50
Lathiattseng: i know09:50
Lathiati fiddled with asp.net once09:50
tsenghah PWS was elite09:50
Lathiatwas mildly impressed by the form handlding stuff09:50
Lathiatdidnt really do any more than that09:50
tsenghttp://www.castleproject.org/index.php/ActiveRecord,_.Net_2.0_and_Generics09:50
Lathiatmonos asp.net stuff is seriously not usable for production. :)09:50
tsengthis castle thingy has some rails stuff for .net09:50
Lathiatat least not 6-12 months ago, i hear its come a long way since then09:51
Lathiatsome thing they did gave it a 3x speedup or something, i forget what09:51
tsengits better, but i wouldnt touch it09:51
Lathiati/o layer rewrite i think09:51
tsengyes09:51
tsengbut mod_mono is still a whore for memory also09:51
tsengits not good at sharing09:51
Lathiatthat page doesn't look hardly as elegant as AR in ruby09:52
tsengim not impressed with the knock-offs09:52
Lathiatgrammer++09:52
tsengfor any language09:53
tsengso whats the deal with smarty09:53
Lathiatits just a basic templating system09:53
Lathiati used to do lots of fun things09:53
Lathiat<? something ?></table>09:53
Lathiat<table>09:53
Lathiat<? foreach >?09:54
Lathiat<tr>09:54
Lathiatetc09:54
Lathiatgone are those days. :)09:54
tsengoh yeah?09:54
tsengi hate that09:54
Lathiatyeh09:54
Lathiatso now i go09:54
Lathiat$smarty->assign ("somearray", $somearray)09:54
Lathiatand then do it in the template09:54
Lathiatand its a bit more manageable09:54
Lathiatits basically like rails09:54
\shso...I think it's time to go to bed for toda09:55
\shy09:55
tsengbye \sh09:55
Lathiatcya09:55
Lathiatrails views and smarty work very similar09:55
tsengLathiat: hm09:55
\shcu guys....:) tomorrow more :)09:55
Lathiatyour php is esentially your controller09:56
\shbtw...if anybody things I was inpolite to anyone...please raise the issue towards CC09:56
Lathiatand your models dont exist :)09:56
\shthinks even09:56
tseng\sh: i will09:56
tseng\sh: see you in court09:56
\shtseng: for sure...montreal ? ;)09:56
tsengno :(09:56
\shtseng: oh...sad :(09:57
Lathiattseng: so, this example is really ugly, but09:57
tsengCompiling: Smarty compiles templates into PHP code behind the scenes, eliminating run-time parsing of templates.09:58
tsengboggle09:58
Lathiathttp://www.kcdshop.com/saki/demo/templates/category.tmpl09:58
\shtseng: could u have a look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS , cause of the mono stuff and remove everything which doesn't need love?09:58
tseng\sh: yes09:58
\shtseng: *hugs* thx :)09:59
\shso...good night :)09:59
slomo\sh, tseng: all the mono stuff compiles fine on all 3 arches09:59
\shslomo: wow...u rock :)09:59
\shtseng: forget my words :)09:59
tsengslomo: im fixing it09:59
\shok..gone10:00
tsengwe are very high on the popcon list10:00
ajmitchmorning10:01
dholbachmorning andrew!10:01
slomo\sh_away: that has nothing to do with rocking... we had rebuilds/new versions of almost everything in the last days10:01
dholbachwoohoo... reinforcements :)10:01
dholbachhey slomo10:01
ajmitchanything left for me to do?10:01
tsengdholbach: hugs10:01
dholbachhahaha :)))10:01
slomohi dholbach :)10:01
Lathiathey aj10:01
ajmitchor can I take a holiday for the next week?10:01
Lathiatajmitch: rather10:01
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dholbachnight \sh_away10:01
ajmitchLathiat: yay avahi10:01
Lathiatajmitch: indeed10:02
Lathiatpoor elmo had quite a backlog judging by breezy-changes ;p10:02
ajmitchoh yeah10:02
ajmitch99% MOTU10:02
Lathiatand by the 5 of mine :)10:02
ajmitchI saw maybe 1 or 2 main packages there10:02
dholbachbtw: i removed the stuff from UniverseFTBFS if it built on $arch10:02
ajmitchok, now I have to run out for a couple of hours, just had to say hi ;)10:03
dholbachhehe :)10:03
tsengslomo: mono-xsp?10:04
tsengill leave that for now10:04
slomotseng: we have this? hum... i'll take a look10:05
tseng(4139, 'mono-apache-server')10:05
tsengi think is the same package10:05
tsengi dont touch that stuff with a stick10:05
tseng(2842, 'libwine-cil')10:06
tsengwhat in the world is that10:06
slomohttp://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xsp/1.0.5-1/10:06
slomothat's a good question... never heard of it10:06
tsengMaintainer: Debian Mono Group <pkg-mono-group@lists.alioth.debian.org>10:06
tsenguh10:06
slomohmm10:06
slomoaaaah10:06
slomothis is probably old System.Drawing stuff10:07
tsengyes10:07
slomoor System.Windows.Forms... it was wine stuff before afaik10:07
tsengi thought that was all in mono-assemblies-arch10:07
tsengbut ok10:07
tsenglets not waste time on whatever it is10:07
slomohehe... that must be ancient10:08
slomocan we remove this?10:08
tsengif meebey says so10:09
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dholbachhey thesaltydog10:11
dholbachthis is your day! it's FTBFS day! :)10:11
dholbacheverybody's having fun over packages that FTBFS :)10:11
dholbacham i right? :)10:11
tsengwe will get them all for dapper10:12
ajmitchtseng: get xsp 1.1.9, if it doesn't need mono 1.1.910:12
tsengand go gcc 4.0 nuts10:12
tsengajmitch: id rather not10:12
tsengdoes anyone want it?10:13
ajmitchthat is if anyone had uploaded xsp10:13
tsengits not in debian10:13
ajmitchlurfagrin is probably waiting on my to sponsor still10:13
ajmitchs/my/me/10:13
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dholbachwhat could ePSXe possibly be?10:13
tsengif you upload to debian10:13
tsenggo ahead and sync it10:13
ajmitchok10:13
tseng(thanks)10:14
tsengi dont want to deviate on things i know nothing about10:14
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slomootherwise i could fix xsp to compile with our mono... nothing that hard10:15
dholbachi have another funny note on other peoples view on debian/copyright10:16
thesaltydoghey dholbach !10:16
dholbach   "Copyright: don't ask"10:16
slomo:)10:16
slomodholbach: you should make a blog entry about that when you collected enough10:17
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dholbachthat's what i thought10:17
dholbach:)10:17
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thesaltydogdholbach, I am very busy setting up new ubuntu-it.org web site. Monday it will have an unveiling..10:19
dholbachcool10:19
thesaltydogdholbach, why you were saying it's my day?10:20
dholbachit was just a cheap try to get you involved in the FTBFS fixing ;)10:20
FuddlLathiat: cool, i exported the latest svn version of quake3 and it works now, to compile from exported sources! i'll upload a new package later10:21
thesaltydogdholbach, until monday I have hands and feet on ubuntu-it...10:21
dholbachyeah... i think so10:21
dholbachthat's cool10:21
thesaltydogif you want to get a look (it is still unofficial http:/www.ubuntu-it.org/index.php10:22
dholbachcoooool :)10:23
LathiatFuddl: ok, cool, i'll review when i wake up later10:23
LathiatFuddl: but it should be fine, just check lintian and linda10:23
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FuddlLathiat: i'll do. hm, the sources now sem _MUCH_ cleaner! :)10:25
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FuddlLathiat: upload finished and already played a bit with the new version on the net *happy* :)10:34
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bddebianHeya gang10:38
slomohi bddebian :)10:38
bddebianWhat did I screw up while I was away? ;-)10:38
slomonothing :P10:39
bddebianDamn, I see we've had a bunch more bug reports again.. :-(10:39
slomobddebian: you'll get mail from katie soon ;)10:41
sivangbddebian: can I touch packages that do not have nobody listed on them in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 ?10:41
bddebianslomo: Uh oh10:41
sivangbddebian: I mean, some of them have remarks by you and/or dholbach10:41
bddebiansivang: Should be fine but \sh is saying that the list might be wrong10:42
sivang\sh_away: then which list should I work with?10:42
bddebiansivang: I have one for you if you're interested.  There is a new version of cyphesis-cpp in Debian but we don't have new enough versions of a couple of the build-deps.  You could check on those and see if we can sync them?10:44
sivangbddebian: sure thing, what do you usually do in order to sync those? do you use Etch chroot and check building inside?10:53
slomosivang: get the debian packages, rebuild them in pbuilder for breezy10:55
sivangslomo: ok, and does a successful build determines if we can sync them up or not?10:56
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bddebiansivang: Partially.  We also need to know if bringing in those packages affects any other packages.  I.E. apt-cache rdepends or germane, etc10:58
bddebianugh gmane, germinate, whatever the hell that's called10:59
dholbachhaha :)11:00
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bddebian:-)11:00
bddebianWhere's the xfce meister?11:02
tsengbusy drawing mice11:02
bddebianDrawing mice?11:03
dholbach x11:03
dholbachxfce logo :)11:03
dholbachtseng: for usplash?11:03
bddebianOh yeah, hehe11:03
bddebiantseng: You do xfce?11:03
hubdholbach: I tried to package the new libimage-exiftool-perl, but the package make check fails in pbuilder11:03
tsengbddebian: no?11:04
hubdholbach: but not outside pbuilder11:04
bddebianHey what's this grmonitor shit?  Is that you slomo ? :-)11:04
dholbachhub: maybe some missing build-depends?11:04
slomobddebian: it was in revu, uploaded by you last month :P11:04
tsengbddebian: backgrounds on art.ubuntu.com for xubuntu11:04
hubdholbach: I checked that, and I don't see what11:04
bddebiantseng: Ah11:05
bddebianslomo: Ohh hehe :-)11:05
hubdholbach: and given that the author claims that it requires nothing but perl...11:05
dholbachhub: ok... well that's no requirement... just wanted to give a "headsup"11:05
dholbachauthors and their ideas about build-depends... :)11:05
tsengyes11:05
hubdholbach: I suspect some env issue as it looks like a check on time stamp (timezone difference)11:05
dholbachhub: then you could write him about the problem and we get the "old" version in in the meantime11:06
hubyeah11:06
sivangbddebian: do we have access to germane?11:08
sivangbddebian: or, garminate :)11:08
dholbachouch... millions of packages that use yada11:08
dholbachhrmhrm11:09
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sivangOMG yada11:10
sivangbddebian: ok, I'll go to set up my pbuilder first11:10
bddebiansivang: Cool11:11
bddebiansivang: I think people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ has output from it11:12
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sivangbddebian: yyou mean the garminate outputs are on colin's page?11:26
bddebianI believe so11:26
sivangbddebian: k, thanks11:27
sivangbddebian: going to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto, 's that okay?11:29
tsengyes11:29
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tsengthats perfect11:29
dholbachhow's the fixing going?11:34
tsengim wishing someone would fix evolution11:35
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tsengit hangs or crashes every 10 minutes11:36
bddebianKick jbailey ;-)11:36
dholbachoi11:36
tsengwhy?11:36
dholbach10 minutes?11:36
tsengyes11:36
slomotseng: there's already a bugreport in the gnome bugzilla by \sh11:36
tsengdo a few things, works ok11:36
tsenggo back to some other windows11:36
tsenggo back to evo11:36
tsengZOMG EVO IS TEH DEAD11:36
dholbachwhere do you have your mails stored?11:37
slomotseng: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31779011:37
tsengimap11:37
dholbachhrm11:37
dholbachme too11:37
sivangtseng: k, pbuilder creating..11:37
dholbachfor me it worgs charmingly11:37
dholbachworks11:37
slomodholbach: want a reproducable crash with evo on imap? ;)11:37
tsengoh yeah11:37
tsengi do the caching thing11:37
sivangtseng: you use evo instead of mutt ?11:37
tsengyes11:38
tsengi havent used mutt in forever11:38
sivangah, I see11:38
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slomodholbach: go to your breezy-changes folder... search for something, click on one of the mails, wait for gpg signature verification to finish and click on "verwerfen" (maybe reset in english)11:38
sivangwell, although I do not master all of its features, I prefer it over GUI clients, it allows me to go over more messages then with evo11:38
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sivangI: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu...11:44
sivang^^ hmm takes a bit of time, that's usual?11:44
tsengyes11:44
LaserJockwhat does it mean to be whitelisted?11:45
bddebianLaserJock: Means you can receive e-mail from katie and such11:47
sivangLaserJock: it mean that when you upload apackage, a girl named katie will email yo uback with gratitude :)11:47
bddebianheh11:47
LaserJockgot ya ;-)11:48
LaserJockso that is why I didn't get an email, because bddebian uploaded for me11:48
dholbachand your name appears on breezy-changes@ when your package got uploaded11:48
bddebianFUCK, I did it again11:48
tsengkatie loves you all11:48
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dholbachbddebian: i won't let you resign from the team11:49
dholbachbddebian: what went wrong?11:49
dholbachoh man... bf - a fast Brainfuck interpreter11:52
dholbach*cry*11:52
sivangwhat DID wnt wrong ?11:53
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dholbachsivang: i'm sure it was nothing serious at all11:53
bddebianI uploaded a main package again11:53
tsengso?11:54
sivangbddebian: but can you upload a main package?11:54
dholbachit got rejected... that's fine11:54
sivangyes, so no harm done11:54
bddebianYeah but I'm sick of doing that11:54
dholbachi uploaded stuff to debian, do hoary instead of breezy11:54
dholbachuploaded wrong version numbers11:54
dholbachuploaded stuff that i forgot to sign11:54
dholbach...11:54
tsenghah i uploaded to debian a bunch of times11:54
spayneYEY! RESAPPLET IS IN BREEZY!11:54
dholbachyou see :)11:54
spaynethanks tseng11:54
tsengZomb is like WTH dude??11:54
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spaynehttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-October/012512.html11:55
sivangbddebian: believe me that's nothing comapred to bugged lpi patch I uploaded once for panel-libs, which luckily enough tseng spotted quickly, and I devised a fix while at work :-)11:55
hwaarain what package are the strings for the ubuntu installer ?11:55
sivangit was urgent :)11:55
hwaarathe primitive one11:55
tsengseriously, most of my uploads are reject the first time11:55
tsengbecause of somethign stupid11:55
sivangbddebian: and this GOT into main :)11:55
tsenghaha he b0rked all my stuff11:55
tsengLPI was like the borg11:56
tsengtaking over my packages11:56
bddebianWell I closed the Malone bug too because it was an easy fix.. :-(11:56
tsengi can upload it for you11:57
tsengif its so easy11:57
tsengbut mdz needs to approve11:57
tsengwhat is it11:57
bddebianIt's just a change of build-deps from java-runttime1 | java-runtime2 to java1-runtime | java2-runtime11:58
tsengi see11:58
dholbachthat should be cool11:58
spaynethanks tseng11:59
spaynethanks dholbach11:59
spaynethanks bddebian11:59
dholbachde rien :)11:59
spaynethanks slomo11:59
spaynethanks all helping me out with my first package11:59
dholbachspayne: if you now help out helping other guys, ... :)11:59
spaynedholbach: i can always try12:00
slomospayne: no problem... we have new ipod-sharp now fyi ;)12:00
spaynewooh!12:00
LaserJockbddebian: do you guys need my email for anything? I just realized that my .bashrc got borked and didn't have DEBEMAIL exported and so my libghemical package has the wrong email address12:01

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