| hno73 | heh | 12:03 |
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| hno73 | Launchpad can send you a new one | 12:03 |
| mhz_ed | am i being redirected or something? it is taking loooong to show me the theme | 12:04 |
| hno73 | hm, works ok here. It's probably not in the cache though | 12:04 |
| mhz_ed | hmmmm, nothing diff | 12:05 |
| hno73 | go to user prefs and select the edubuntu skin | 12:05 |
| mhz_ed | are you sure you placed the .py under /MoinMoin/themes ? | 12:05 |
| mhz_ed | ahhh, edubuntu | 12:05 |
| hno73 | yeah, works for me ... | 12:05 |
| hno73 | it's on the ubuntu wiki not edubuntu | 12:06 |
| mhz_ed | I ahd chosen ubuntu-test :) | 12:06 |
| hno73 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | 12:06 |
| hno73 | ok | 12:06 |
| mhz_ed | wow! looks nice.. | 12:07 |
| mhz_ed | very nice! | 12:07 |
| mhz_ed | very very nice! | 12:07 |
| === mhz_ed starts playing a little to test it | ||
| hno73 | thanks. highvoltage did the first design work | 12:07 |
| mhz_ed | 1st thing: MoreActions still show same color for both permitted and non-permitted actions, is that intentional? | 12:08 |
| hno73 | are there any non-permitted actions? | 12:08 |
| hno73 | I think anyone can do anything in this wiki :) | 12:09 |
| mhz_ed | Rename and Delete ? | 12:09 |
| hno73 | yepp, even that :) | 12:10 |
| mhz_ed | I can't access to those options but still see them as normal | 12:10 |
| hno73 | hm, ok. I'll look at that | 12:10 |
| mhz_ed | very cool RC! | 12:10 |
| hno73 | Yeah, I already like it better than the normal ubuntu skin | 12:11 |
| hno73 | the tan gets a bit boring after a while | 12:11 |
| hno73 | there is still a bit of brown here and there ... | 12:12 |
| mhz_ed | yes | 12:12 |
| mhz_ed | good icons! | 12:12 |
| hno73 | Like table headings https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCameras | 12:12 |
| hno73 | gartoon | 12:12 |
| hno73 | like thedesktop | 12:12 |
| mhz_ed | aren't /datas merged yet? | 12:13 |
| hno73 | no, not yet | 12:13 |
| hno73 | but that's easy | 12:13 |
| mhz_ed | hmmm why not? | 12:13 |
| hno73 | the edubuntu wiki is small | 12:13 |
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| hno73 | good question really :) | 12:14 |
| hno73 | we'll do it in the next few days | 12:14 |
| mhz_ed | ok | 12:14 |
| mhz_ed | hmm, 2nd thing: looooong names get out of proportions | 12:14 |
| mhz_ed | but it seems to be a Moin problem | 12:14 |
| hno73 | then we have to do that skin URL forwarding trick | 12:14 |
| hno73 | out of proportions? | 12:15 |
| mhz_ed | or that. yes | 12:15 |
| mhz_ed | yes, it oversizes the width of the header | 12:15 |
| hno73 | oh, yeah | 12:16 |
| mhz_ed | Maybe you could try giving options of "repeating" background | 12:16 |
| mhz_ed | or, play some "degrade" (difumination?) of color | 12:16 |
| mhz_ed | tricks | 12:16 |
| hno73 | on the header? | 12:17 |
| mhz_ed | yep | 12:17 |
| hno73 | or just make heading a bit smaller | 12:17 |
| hno73 | smaller font | 12:17 |
| mhz_ed | I had the exact issue on all my firts 3 themes | 12:17 |
| mhz_ed | well, that too, but it won't solve the issue, actually. ICanStillThinkOf VeryLargeTitleAsHeadingFroYOurWikiSiteOrPage | 12:18 |
| mhz_ed | :) | 12:18 |
| mhz_ed | and then .. it will still be oversizeing | 12:18 |
| hno73 | true | 12:18 |
| hno73 | but then it's your own fault :) | 12:19 |
| mhz_ed | LOL | 12:19 |
| mhz_ed | true | 12:19 |
| mhz_ed | so far, very cool look&feel | 12:20 |
| mhz_ed | it reminds me of SchoolBell red color | 12:20 |
| hno73 | Cool. | 12:20 |
| mhz_ed | when is this supposed ot be out | 12:20 |
| mhz_ed | ? | 12:20 |
| hno73 | I'll probably have to redo the ubuntu skin now | 12:21 |
| hno73 | Tuesday perhaps? :) | 12:21 |
| mhz_ed | wow, very soon | 12:21 |
| mhz_ed | 3rd thing: maybe nothing BUt still have to mention it. | 12:21 |
| hno73 | yeah, before the launch of edubuntu | 12:21 |
| mhz_ed | what's you monitor size? | 12:21 |
| hno73 | or on the same day | 12:21 |
| hno73 | 1280x1024 | 12:22 |
| mhz_ed | mine is 15" at 1024*something, and using a little more than 3/4 of it, The orange search area overlaps the Moreactions menu, just a little enough to cover the drop down area. | 12:23 |
| mhz_ed | That is not an issue, but, when i want to click on the down arrow, I do but it does not respond | 12:24 |
| hno73 | yeah, I think I'll remove Show Changes and leave just Get Info for that purpose | 12:24 |
| mhz_ed | so I am forced to click on the MoreActions word. then it responds | 12:24 |
| hno73 | yepp, known problem | 12:25 |
| hno73 | I can also trim the orange image a bit | 12:25 |
| mhz_ed | maybe placing the options a little more to the right will reduce the size of the orange thing. | 12:26 |
| mhz_ed | BTW, what do you call that orange area? | 12:26 |
| mhz_ed | :) | 12:26 |
| hno73 | dunno :) | 12:27 |
| hno73 | I could shrink the search box a bit (how?, what file is that in?) | 12:27 |
| hno73 | mhz_ed: thanks for your help. I've got to go | 12:29 |
| hno73 | I'll be back tomorrow | 12:29 |
| mhz_ed | okidoki | 12:29 |
| mhz_ed | please | 12:29 |
| mhz_ed | have nice day | 12:30 |
| hno73 | I'm off to sleep! | 12:30 |
| hno73 | you have a nice day :) | 12:30 |
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| mhz_ed | hey!!!!! | 01:41 |
| mhz_ed | I managed to NetBoot from a Edubuntu box!!! | 01:41 |
| mhz_ed | I just added a couple of lines to the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 01:42 |
| mhz_ed | untar netboot.gz (got it from web) | 01:42 |
| mhz_ed | restart dhcp | 01:42 |
| mhz_ed | place netboot extracted onto /var/lib/tftpboot/ | 01:43 |
| mhz_ed | VERY SIMPLE and effective | 01:43 |
| mhz_ed | Any one living here today? | 01:43 |
| === mhz_ed trying to install edubuntu now, via tftp booting :) | ||
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| mhz_ed | ogra, ping | 05:05 |
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| mhz_ed | anyone around? | 05:08 |
| mhz_ed | arkan0x, hey | 05:09 |
| arkan0x | mhz_ed, hi | 05:09 |
| arkan0x | mhz_ed, pv | 05:10 |
| mhz_ed | pv? | 05:10 |
| arkan0x | mhz , mauricio hernandez ! | 05:10 |
| arkan0x | X | 05:10 |
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| mhz_edu | anybody here? | 08:25 |
| mhz_edu | ogra, ping? | 08:25 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: I'm here | 08:30 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, cool | 08:31 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, sensei, I have finally installed edubuntu and also managed to netboot thin laptop in order to install linux from server | 08:32 |
| mhz_edu | BUT | 08:32 |
| mhz_edu | the laptop boots fine, it asks for keyboard, langiage,etc | 08:32 |
| mhz_edu | language, sorry | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: I'm not a teacher :) | 08:33 |
| Yagisan | go on | 08:33 |
| mhz_edu | when it asks to choose a mirror, I just can't get the web | 08:33 |
| mhz_edu | I am using a crossover to connect edubuntu with the laptop | 08:34 |
| mhz_edu | and edubuntu can get to the web with no problem, via my eth0 | 08:34 |
| mhz_edu | my eth1 is for local machines | 08:34 |
| Yagisan | but the laptop can't connect right | 08:34 |
| mhz_edu | Dhcp is provinding ip via eth1, BTW. | 08:35 |
| mhz_edu | right | 08:35 |
| mhz_edu | I did a nat | 08:35 |
| mhz_edu | so my guess is Nat is not working propoerly or the crossover is not for web? | 08:35 |
| Yagisan | ok - it looks like it (edubuntu) is not forwarding the packets | 08:36 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 08:36 |
| Yagisan | crossovers don't matter | 08:36 |
| mhz_edu | how can I check that? | 08:36 |
| mhz_edu | cool | 08:36 |
| Yagisan | whats the ip for eth0 and eth1 ? | 08:36 |
| mhz_edu | eth0 -> 201.215.84.252 | 08:37 |
| === Yagisan sshs into my router to check settings | ||
| mhz_edu | eth1 -> 192.168.0.1 | 08:37 |
| Yagisan | ok | 08:37 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I also have a Dlink router that I was using, without dhcp, to provide web to local machines via eth1. Since I installed edubuntu, I had to use the crossover because machines did not get ips from dhcp | 08:38 |
| Yagisan | when you set up the nat how did you do it ? | 08:38 |
| mhz_edu | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE | 08:39 |
| mhz_edu | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 08:39 |
| Yagisan | that looks right to me so far | 08:40 |
| Yagisan | did you modprobe iptable_nat ? | 08:40 |
| Yagisan | to load the nat module for iptables ? | 08:40 |
| mhz_edu | another detail is that my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf has 192.168.0.1 for both router and domain-name-server | 08:41 |
| mhz_edu | hmmm, nop | 08:41 |
| mhz_edu | now, I just did | 08:42 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: is 192.168.0.1 a dns server ? (I changed that to my isp dns servers) | 08:42 |
| mhz_edu | nop | 08:42 |
| mhz_edu | good point | 08:42 |
| Yagisan | if it's not - then the clients are probally timing out on dns | 08:42 |
| === mhz_edu changing | ||
| Yagisan | does http://66.102.7.147 work ? | 08:43 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: working ? | 08:46 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, sorry, I had to get to the toilette :) | 08:47 |
| mhz_edu | .oO(almost 03:00 AM here) | 08:47 |
| mhz_edu | taht ip is google's | 08:48 |
| mhz_edu | that ip is google's | 08:48 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: I know - I just pinged my home page | 08:50 |
| mhz_edu | hehehe | 08:50 |
| mhz_edu | it is working! | 08:50 |
| Yagisan | if it works like that - but not as http://www.google.com you have a dns problem | 08:50 |
| mhz_edu | ok, here's the problem | 08:50 |
| mhz_edu | NAT must be off when you boot the laptop and wait for ip, and all. | 08:51 |
| mhz_edu | after booting and entering the installation procedure, you can activate NAT in the server | 08:52 |
| mhz_edu | but then , in the laptop, you must go back to network autoconfig | 08:52 |
| mhz_edu | I was not doing that | 08:52 |
| mhz_edu | neither was I modprobing | 08:52 |
| mhz_edu | thx for that | 08:53 |
| Yagisan | hmm - should work with NAT on | 08:53 |
| Yagisan | your welcome | 08:53 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, now I am happy I finally contribute to Edubuntu docs with my 2 cents about this howto :D | 08:53 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, probably yes | 08:53 |
| mhz_edu | but again, I just couldn't use edubuntu dhcp server via my Dlink to the laptop | 08:54 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: good spot about my name - the dlink is a bit odd | 08:54 |
| mhz_edu | so there must be something else missing on this issue. Something I am not seeing | 08:55 |
| Yagisan | this is the same dlink you talked about yesterday with ogra ? | 08:55 |
| === Yagisan is in Australia | ||
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, sorry for my english so bad. I did not quite get the "good spot" | 08:55 |
| mhz_edu | yesp | 08:56 |
| mhz_edu | same thing | 08:56 |
| Yagisan | you noticed my name is Japanese | 08:56 |
| mhz_edu | so you can imagine how long I've been sitting fighting here | 08:56 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 08:56 |
| mhz_edu | oh, that | 08:56 |
| mhz_edu | :) | 08:56 |
| mhz_edu | my butt is asking for forgiveness and promises to be kind to me now | 08:57 |
| mhz_edu | :D | 08:57 |
| Yagisan | :) | 08:57 |
| mhz_edu | and my legs can't walk well | 08:57 |
| Yagisan | perhaps after you get some rest - you get some inspiration as to why the dlink won't work | 08:58 |
| Yagisan | is it a router or a switch ? | 08:58 |
| mhz_edu | and my wife is mad because I have spent at least 80 hours on this, the last 5 days | 08:58 |
| mhz_edu | it reads: Ethernet Broadband Router | 08:58 |
| Yagisan | I just told my wife it was work related | 08:58 |
| mhz_edu | LOL | 08:58 |
| mhz_edu | actually it is | 08:59 |
| Yagisan | (and gave her a pc) | 08:59 |
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| mhz_edu | 'coz this is the only laptop (the one I am now installing) I have for my Edubuntu presentations | 08:59 |
| Yagisan | was the dlink used for ADSL ? | 08:59 |
| mhz_edu | was? | 08:59 |
| Yagisan | did you used to use / still use the dlink for an adsl connection | 09:00 |
| Yagisan | ? | 09:00 |
| mhz_edu | I have my ISP Modem (cable) connected to eth0. Eth1 is connected to the Dlink. The laptops connect to Dlink to get internet access | 09:00 |
| mhz_edu | (at least that was the layout) | 09:00 |
| Yagisan | OK - just trying to workout how the device worked | 09:01 |
| Yagisan | did the dlink do nat ? or dhcp ? | 09:01 |
| mhz_edu | .oO(I just can't express how "deliciously pleasant" it is to format this HD in this Fujitsu thin laptop) | 09:02 |
| === Yagisan has no laptop :'( | ||
| mhz_edu | no idea. I passed Iptalbes commands (the one I showed) | 09:02 |
| === Yagisan has to pay new baby expenses | ||
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I had no laptops until I understood I did not need so much of a desktop power, so started buying 2nd hand or refurbished laptops. | 09:03 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, how old's you baby? | 09:03 |
| mhz_edu | this Fujitsu is 500 Mhz celeron, 256 MB ram, and 20 GB HD | 09:04 |
| Yagisan | one is 20 months the next one is due November 20 | 09:04 |
| mhz_edu | and 10.4 inches :D | 09:04 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, so you've been busy | 09:04 |
| mhz_edu | :D | 09:04 |
| mhz_edu | congrats! | 09:04 |
| mhz_edu | mine is 4 and the other is 10 | 09:04 |
| Yagisan | :'( not anymore - my wife is threatening in to chop it off ! | 09:05 |
| mhz_edu | ooooops | 09:05 |
| mhz_edu | well, look at the good side of it. | 09:05 |
| mhz_edu | you'll be able to afford a laptop in a near future :D | 09:05 |
| Yagisan | boys or girls ? I have one girl - and I think the next one is a boy | 09:06 |
| Yagisan | Is this your dlink ? http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62 | 09:06 |
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| mhz_edu | Yagisan, boy = 10 and girl =4. Boy lives with my ex-wife, thou | 09:07 |
| Yagisan | hope you can see him (sometimes ex's make it hard) | 09:07 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, UNBELIEVABLE! yes, that's my router :D | 09:07 |
| mhz_edu | not sometimes | 09:08 |
| mhz_edu | Always! | 09:08 |
| === Yagisan used to be a network engineer | ||
| mhz_edu | but as long as you pay constantly.. they get a little -only a little, remember they are ex- smoother | 09:08 |
| === mhz_edu knows nothing about computers | ||
| mhz_edu | well, a little more than a regular newbie | 09:09 |
| mhz_edu | just a freedom of access and technology fanatic | 09:09 |
| Yagisan | ok - you will have lots of trouble with the dlink :( | 09:09 |
| mhz_edu | boooh | 09:10 |
| mhz_edu | at least you may save me 80 more hours trying to make it work | 09:10 |
| Yagisan | it's not a regular router/switch - more like a custom nat box | 09:10 |
| mhz_edu | that sounded japaneese to me | 09:10 |
| Yagisan | a cheap 100MBps switch (about $20au) should do the job for you | 09:11 |
| Yagisan | Inet -> cablemodem -> edubuntu -> switch -> pc's | 09:11 |
| mhz_edu | hmmm, about U$30? | 09:11 |
| Yagisan | more like US$15 | 09:12 |
| Yagisan | they shouldn't be too expensive | 09:12 |
| mhz_edu | cool | 09:12 |
| Yagisan | my switch http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code] =NE-MS4008B&input[category_id] =1114 | 09:13 |
| Yagisan | cheap, chinese, and within walking distance :) | 09:13 |
| mhz_edu | lol | 09:14 |
| Yagisan | You'll like the next version of edubuntu | 09:15 |
| mhz_edu | why? | 09:15 |
| mhz_edu | it includes TFTP booting? | 09:15 |
| Yagisan | I've contributed patches that let you have multiple client architectures on your server | 09:15 |
| Yagisan | so you can eg have i386 clients on an amd64 server | 09:16 |
| mhz_edu | wow! that's perfect for educational envs. | 09:16 |
| Yagisan | you need TFTP booting ? | 09:16 |
| mhz_edu | ppc, too? | 09:16 |
| Yagisan | working on ppc - that's a bit harder | 09:16 |
| Yagisan | I need qemu to work for that | 09:16 |
| Yagisan | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297 | 09:17 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, well, in any educational environment, in Chile, boxes come and go. Teachers may have boxes at home, so may students. | 09:17 |
| mhz_edu | Therefore, giving the chance to install onto their pcs is cool | 09:17 |
| Yagisan | initial work /|\ | 09:17 |
| Yagisan | I use rom-o-matic to build etherboot images with pxe emulation | 09:18 |
| mhz_edu | so, having Edubuntu at schools (LTSP) and similar boxes at home, is good. Now even better idea if from the same server you install linux | 09:18 |
| mhz_edu | i've heard about rom-o-matic | 09:19 |
| mhz_edu | but what if, in my case, I had this thin box, with no chance to boot from Cd nor Floppy | 09:19 |
| mhz_edu | I am currently volunteering for a prohject called RecicLab | 09:20 |
| Yagisan | none of my netcards have boot roms - so I went to rom-o-matic made zlilo images and put it on a hard disk in the clients | 09:20 |
| mhz_edu | here, we provide a computer to a young man on the conditin that he'll learn how to put together all the pieces and also install linux on it | 09:20 |
| Yagisan | edited grub to make netbooting default :) | 09:21 |
| Yagisan | cool | 09:21 |
| mhz_edu | wow! can you use Grub to boot an installation process from HD? | 09:21 |
| Yagisan | women too ? | 09:21 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 09:21 |
| Yagisan | I cheat - I do the most striped down server install on the hdd | 09:22 |
| mhz_edu | and these people MUST come accompained by a relative or grownup responsible for him, so tehy both must come to the 7 days sessions | 09:22 |
| mhz_edu | otherwise, they do not get the pc home | 09:22 |
| mhz_edu | :) | 09:22 |
| Yagisan | then I get grub to load rom-o-matic image to load kernel over the network | 09:22 |
| mhz_edu | not cheat, u're wise | 09:22 |
| mhz_edu | but how d'u do it when the pc has windows? | 09:23 |
| mhz_edu | and is a thin client. | 09:23 |
| Yagisan | .oO( glad it fit on a 257MB hard disk) | 09:23 |
| mhz_edu | I once installed linux from windows using a tool called Grub4NT | 09:24 |
| Yagisan | I remove windows - I have Ubuntu hoary cd's for each supported arch | 09:24 |
| === mhz_edu wanted to remove windows but just couldnt 'coz there was no way to install another OS unless netbooting | ||
| Yagisan | and I keep a CDROM drive that I install just to put ubuntu on - then I take my CDROM out | 09:24 |
| mhz_edu | you mean, you install linux from windows onto thin clients and using a CDROM?? | 09:25 |
| mhz_edu | (external?) | 09:25 |
| Yagisan | no - I pull case off - stick in cdrom - install linux (wipeing out windows) | 09:26 |
| Yagisan | I then copy rom-o-matic image to hard disk | 09:27 |
| Yagisan | edit grub, and have the system boot up | 09:27 |
| mhz_edu | ok | 09:27 |
| Yagisan | It then runs everything off the edubuntu/ltsp server | 09:27 |
| Yagisan | my office | 09:28 |
| mhz_edu | have you wikied that way? | 09:28 |
| Yagisan | (amd64)----->switch---(i386 box1, i386 box2, etc) | 09:28 |
| Yagisan | no - I haven't wikied it | 09:28 |
| mhz_edu | could you? | 09:29 |
| Yagisan | I will shortly (within a few days) - I need to clearly document it | 09:29 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, if I gave static ips to clients, would the dlink work friendly with dhcp server? | 09:31 |
| Yagisan | the dlink is doing some nating | 09:31 |
| Yagisan | it looks like it is dropping the broadcasts which is how dhcp works | 09:32 |
| Yagisan | dlink uses that as a primitive firewall | 09:32 |
| mhz_edu | :( | 09:33 |
| Yagisan | you will most likely need great patience - and if it's like my netcomm it won't ever work | 09:33 |
| mhz_edu | how can I acces to its web interface and set it to my needs? | 09:33 |
| === Yagisan is looking at dlink site | ||
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: which is yours ?http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&sec=0#quickInstallGuides | 09:36 |
| mhz_edu | http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&pv=16&sec=0 | 09:39 |
| mhz_edu | hmmm, you're thinking about firmware upgrade? | 09:40 |
| Yagisan | nope | 09:41 |
| Yagisan | can I ask you a dumb question | 09:41 |
| Yagisan | what ports are you plugging the cable in ? | 09:41 |
| Yagisan | the 4 on the left ? or the 1 on the right ? | 09:42 |
| Yagisan | please humor me - and try only the 4 on the left | 09:43 |
| mhz_edu | waht cable? the eth0 is to the Modem, and eth1 to Dlink. You want me to connect the eth1 to the 4th port to the left? left is relative. | 09:44 |
| Yagisan | on the back of the dlink | 09:45 |
| Yagisan | the are 4 ports close together | 09:45 |
| Yagisan | then 1 port and poer | 09:46 |
| Yagisan | power | 09:46 |
| Yagisan | the 4 ports close together are left (when looking at the back) | 09:46 |
| mhz_edu | ok | 09:46 |
| Yagisan | edubuntu eth1 to leftmost port, then you can attach 3 clients to the next 3 ports | 09:47 |
| Yagisan | don't use the port next to power | 09:47 |
| mhz_edu | but i can't right now 'coz eth1 is being used by the crossover | 09:47 |
| mhz_edu | LOl | 09:47 |
| Yagisan | later then :) | 09:48 |
| Yagisan | next - that dlink seems to take 192.168.0.1 by default | 09:48 |
| mhz_edu | duh! | 09:48 |
| mhz_edu | no wonder why I was having so much trouble | 09:48 |
| Yagisan | so - sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 09:49 |
| mhz_edu | and change ips | 09:49 |
| Yagisan | change 192.168.0.1 to something else | 09:49 |
| mhz_edu | can I use nano instead? :D | 09:49 |
| Yagisan | I use 192.168.1.1 | 09:50 |
| Yagisan | sure | 09:50 |
| Yagisan | I use mcedit myself | 09:50 |
| mhz_edu | I'd reather use emacs thou | 09:50 |
| Yagisan | ok - sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf :-D | 09:50 |
| mhz_edu | lol | 09:50 |
| mhz_edu | or | 09:50 |
| mhz_edu | no sudo | 09:51 |
| Yagisan | should use sudo - that file is only editable by root | 09:51 |
| mhz_edu | or nohup sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 09:51 |
| mhz_edu | yes, but if I have laready assigned root a password.. i can by pss sudo | 09:52 |
| mhz_edu | bypass | 09:52 |
| Yagisan | true | 09:52 |
| Yagisan | but then you can't copy & paste :) | 09:52 |
| mhz_edu | and I use sudo especially when I log in via ssh remotely | 09:52 |
| mhz_edu | root is blocked for ssh | 09:53 |
| mhz_edu | ssh login I mean | 09:53 |
| Yagisan | then, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart | 09:53 |
| Yagisan | and it should all be ok | 09:53 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 09:53 |
| Yagisan | want to see my dhcpd.conf as an example ? | 09:53 |
| mhz_edu | and I could finally see if that was the stupid simple issue of my dhcp server not passing through | 09:54 |
| mhz_edu | why not? | 09:54 |
| Yagisan | I suggest some tape over that last port if that works | 09:55 |
| === Yagisan also used to be Technical Support | ||
| === Yagisan was also a Systems Administrator | ||
| === Yagisan is now an E-Security Consultant | ||
| mhz_edu | BTW, if i remove gdm from init.d, and I am used to login and then startx, will LDM still work fine on clients? | 09:56 |
| === mhz_edu was a Translator and Interpreter | ||
| === mhz_edu was teacher | ||
| Yagisan | I'd leave gdm alone, it doesn't hurt, and any upgrade will put it back | 09:57 |
| === mhz_edu is now volunteer for 5 FreeAsInFreedom projects | ||
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, but how do I just get rid of it or block it on upgrades? | 09:57 |
| Yagisan | the clients don't load gdm | 09:58 |
| mhz_edu | I know, they load LDM | 09:58 |
| Yagisan | the gdm you are looking at (this is on edubuntu right ?) is the one used to log in locally to the server | 09:58 |
| mhz_edu | I have created .xsession and indicated to exec fluxbox. No success, it gets back to login prompt | 09:58 |
| mhz_edu | yes, I wanna get rid of GDM, not LDM | 09:59 |
| Yagisan | you need gdm on the server | 09:59 |
| mhz_edu | my .xsession works perfectly on the server BUT the clients | 09:59 |
| Yagisan | you can't use ldm for a local login on the server | 09:59 |
| mhz_edu | why need it? | 10:00 |
| mhz_edu | I know | 10:00 |
| mhz_edu | Login Display Manager | 10:00 |
| mhz_edu | LtspDisplay Manager | 10:00 |
| Yagisan | where is .xsession ? | 10:00 |
| Yagisan | $HOME/.xsession ? | 10:01 |
| mhz_edu | then how could i enable Fluxbox or WindowMaker or Enlightenment for Clients | 10:01 |
| mhz_edu | ? | 10:01 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 10:01 |
| mhz_edu | I tried to put it on /etc/X11 | 10:01 |
| mhz_edu | I tried to put it on /etc/X11/Xsession something | 10:01 |
| mhz_edu | but I couldn't figure out | 10:02 |
| Yagisan | $HOME/.xsession is the right spot | 10:02 |
| mhz_edu | fluxbox runs only on server, so far. | 10:02 |
| Yagisan | client changes are usually in /opt/ltsp/$ARCH/etc | 10:02 |
| mhz_edu | hmmm | 10:02 |
| === mhz_edu reading your dhcp | ||
| === mhz_edu wow... 5:03 AM here | ||
| === mhz_edu is gonna get kicked in the ass :D | ||
| Yagisan | man - you should get some sleep | 10:03 |
| Yagisan | it's 6:03 PM here | 10:03 |
| mhz_edu | but fujitsu is installing vim-common | 10:03 |
| Yagisan | and fujitsu can keep installing while you sleep | 10:04 |
| mhz_edu | there was a news here in chile that Australia was looking for chilean workers | 10:04 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, yes, but it wouldn't be the same :D | 10:05 |
| mhz_edu | it needs its daddy | 10:05 |
| mhz_edu | is the news right? | 10:06 |
| Yagisan | really ? (they wouldn't hire the locals when I was f*cking unemployed for a few years ) | 10:06 |
| === Yagisan stopped watching tv a while ago - no reception | ||
| mhz_edu | i've been unemployed for a year now | 10:07 |
| mhz_edu | I get some money from volunteering , ocationally | 10:07 |
| Yagisan | It sucks doesn't it. | 10:07 |
| mhz_edu | YES! | 10:07 |
| Yagisan | I borrowed some money from wife and her parents to start a business | 10:07 |
| mhz_edu | but I am very "hyper" and I am always doing something or making things happen | 10:07 |
| mhz_edu | e-stuff? | 10:08 |
| Yagisan | E-Security (professional hacker, Security Audits) | 10:08 |
| Yagisan | It's hard to concentrate on getting customers - and preparing for wife to give birth | 10:09 |
| mhz_edu | nice job | 10:09 |
| mhz_edu | I imagine | 10:09 |
| === mhz_edu has been there :) | ||
| Yagisan | all the supporting family is in Japan - it's just me and my wife | 10:09 |
| mhz_edu | ...Being a small business ourselves, we understand that many small to medium businesses just can't dedicate the same level of resources to protect their critical IT infrastructure... | 10:10 |
| Yagisan | it's a challenging job | 10:10 |
| mhz_edu | well put | 10:10 |
| Yagisan | I'm not finished my website yet | 10:10 |
| mhz_edu | it is challenging, indeed | 10:10 |
| Yagisan | I had to do a restore a few days ago | 10:10 |
| mhz_edu | what does she do? | 10:10 |
| mhz_edu | did? | 10:11 |
| Yagisan | and I hope to finish it tonight | 10:11 |
| Yagisan | translation | 10:11 |
| Yagisan | :) | 10:11 |
| Yagisan | also clerical work | 10:11 |
| Yagisan | the site shows up for you - not glitches ? | 10:12 |
| Yagisan | no | 10:12 |
| mhz_edu | this is where I volunteer for (those are all projects I have started and now lead/motivate people to participate on) http://www.tecnocimiento.cl | 10:12 |
| mhz_edu | nop | 10:12 |
| Yagisan | you are Mauricio ? | 10:14 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 10:14 |
| Yagisan | cool | 10:14 |
| === gand [n=gand@62-101-126-208.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #edubuntu | ||
| gand | hi all | 10:15 |
| Yagisan | Glday gand | 10:15 |
| mhz_edu | hey gand | 10:15 |
| === Yagisan has many typos today | ||
| gand | I'm trying to connect via FTP, FTP service is checked inservice settings but I can't connect :) | 10:15 |
| gand | hi mhz_edu | 10:16 |
| Yagisan | ftp to what ? | 10:16 |
| gand | my edubuntu server is usex.homelinux.org | 10:17 |
| gand | ftp to my edubuntu server | 10:17 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I usually work with a small business, aimed to Web Development (www.esfera.cl) Tecnocimiento is aimed to Education and Free Technology applied to it. One thing Esfera and Tecnocimiento do not do is e-security. Maybe we can get a little creative there, with you. | 10:17 |
| gand | http://usex.homelinux.org | 10:17 |
| gand | I'm testing some LMS as moodle. dokeos, docebo, plone | 10:18 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: certainly | 10:18 |
| mhz_edu | gand, hmmm, can you access via ssh? | 10:18 |
| gand | yes | 10:18 |
| Yagisan | gand: did you configure your ftp server ? | 10:19 |
| mhz_edu | gand, no IPtables stopping FTP? | 10:19 |
| gand | opp no :) how can I configure? is there a gui to do that | 10:19 |
| mhz_edu | gand, no idea. I have not used ftp in more than 5 years, sorry | 10:20 |
| Yagisan | gand: probably not, what ftp server did you install | 10:20 |
| === Yagisan uses scp or rsync nowadays | ||
| mhz_edu | mee too | 10:20 |
| === Yagisan occasionally uses http as well for read only | ||
| gand | the default FTP, I just see that in Service setting FTP service is checked | 10:21 |
| gand | Adminstration->ServiceSetting window | 10:21 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, why not using the menu bar at the righ side? | 10:22 |
| Yagisan | gand: that controls tftp (for booting your thin clients) | 10:22 |
| mhz_edu | (your site, I meant) | 10:22 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: try our research | 10:23 |
| Yagisan | gand: you don't have a ftp server installed | 10:23 |
| Yagisan | gand: do you need ftp ? | 10:23 |
| gand | opps I supposed it was :) well is there a easy way to set up a FTP service tu upload file to my server | 10:23 |
| mhz_edu | gand, apt-cahce search ftp server | 10:24 |
| gand | yes I need to upload file to my server with ftp or other way, the easy way :) | 10:24 |
| mhz_edu | gand, apt-cache search ftp server | 10:24 |
| mhz_edu | ok | 10:24 |
| mhz_edu | Synaptic | 10:24 |
| gand | ok, and FTP configuration? | 10:24 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: MS IE hated my site - I had to do CSS magic on it | 10:24 |
| Yagisan | gand: to upload just use scp eg scp myfile.txt usex.homelinux.org:/home/gand/ | 10:24 |
| mhz_edu | somewhere in GNOMe, there's a tool called Synaptic | 10:25 |
| gand | yes I use synaptic to intall software | 10:25 |
| mhz_edu | ok, search for a ftp server | 10:25 |
| Yagisan | gand: ok - just a word of warning - ftp is not secure | 10:26 |
| mhz_edu | gand, heve you ever edited /etc/apt/source.list? | 10:26 |
| gand | well now I try, If I have problems I'll be back here thanks a lot | 10:26 |
| Yagisan | gand: are kids going to have access to this machine ? | 10:26 |
| gand | yes I edited source list | 10:26 |
| gand | yes it will be the lms server for my school | 10:27 |
| mhz_edu | ok, so you have uncommented the repositories? | 10:27 |
| Yagisan | gand: If so - I strongly recommend not using ftp | 10:27 |
| gand | yes mhz_edu | 10:27 |
| mhz_edu | gand, FTP is one of the less secure applications/protocol | 10:27 |
| mhz_edu | but if you say you need it, Synaptic is your choice to look up | 10:28 |
| gand | yes I know, how can I upload file, with SFTP? | 10:28 |
| mhz_edu | hmm, I gues very similar to scp | 10:28 |
| Yagisan | gand: have you tried scp ? | 10:28 |
| gand | I know only FTP and SFTP | 10:28 |
| gand | scp? | 10:28 |
| Yagisan | gand: you know ssh ? | 10:28 |
| mhz_edu | scp the_file user@server:/home/user/ | 10:28 |
| gand | yes I know ssh | 10:28 |
| mhz_edu | SCP is ssh to send files :) | 10:29 |
| Yagisan | gand: then scp is a good choice for you | 10:29 |
| Yagisan | gand: and it can be quicker the ftp :) | 10:29 |
| gand | nice, as now I'm on a macOSX box I just have to know how to work with scp | 10:29 |
| mhz_edu | example: scp the_file gand@server:/home/gand/ | 10:30 |
| mhz_edu | OSX , afaik, includes ssh | 10:30 |
| gand | but I have to connect via ssh before use scp command? | 10:30 |
| mhz_edu | and afaik, ssh includes scp | 10:30 |
| Yagisan | gand: no | 10:30 |
| gand | ok now I try :) | 10:30 |
| mhz_edu | gand, that's the beauty of it | 10:30 |
| mhz_edu | it opens a "tunnel" for just the time the file takes to get to the other side | 10:31 |
| gand | Well ssh to my server is Ok | 10:31 |
| mhz_edu | and logsout | 10:31 |
| mhz_edu | then scp will be fine too | 10:31 |
| Yagisan | gand: I use it to back up all sorts of things :) It works very well | 10:31 |
| mhz_edu | indeed | 10:32 |
| gand | now I open terminal and $ scp the_file gand@server:/home/gand/ | 10:32 |
| gand | [10:30] mhz_edu: OSX , afaik, includes ssh | 10:32 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 10:32 |
| gand | also to download file? | 10:32 |
| mhz_edu | nop | 10:32 |
| Yagisan | yes | 10:32 |
| gand | ok let me 5 mins to try it, thanks again | 10:32 |
| mhz_edu | 1st... I guess you have replaced the example values, right? | 10:32 |
| Yagisan | scp gand@server:/home/gand/the_file ./ | 10:33 |
| Yagisan | :) | 10:33 |
| mhz_edu | gand, to download you use scp from the server to you | 10:33 |
| gand | yes mhz | 10:33 |
| gand | right to download ssh to server before and the scp, cool :) | 10:33 |
| gand | the/then | 10:34 |
| mhz_edu | or, Yagisan has a simple way | 10:34 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan scp gand@server:/home/gand/the_file ./ | 10:34 |
| Yagisan | brb - getting a coffee. mdz_edu: your wife will kill you | 10:34 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I am already dead | 10:34 |
| mhz_edu | :D | 10:34 |
| gand | HI nice it work the first attempt THANKS A LOT | 10:38 |
| mhz_edu | np | 10:38 |
| mhz_edu | whenever it is possible... we help | 10:38 |
| gand | now a complete tutorial on moodle is up to my server :) | 10:38 |
| gand | just one more think | 10:38 |
| mhz_edu | educool! | 10:38 |
| mhz_edu | shoot | 10:39 |
| gand | can I use scp + sudo to upload file in folder where I haven ot permission? | 10:40 |
| mhz_edu | hmm | 10:40 |
| gand | :) | 10:41 |
| === mhz_edu thinking | ||
| mhz_edu | nop | 10:41 |
| mhz_edu | 'coz scp asks for password | 10:41 |
| gand | In deep, I'm an OSX user and when I drag a file to copy it in a "closed" folder, a window ask me autentication, I insert user/pw and copy is done | 10:42 |
| === Yagisan will be back soonish - princess is hungry | ||
| mhz_edu | maybe, there's a setting you can do in the "receiver" so once it accepts a file, it turns the authentification into sudo process | 10:42 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, LOL | 10:43 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, hurry, please I have a question | 10:43 |
| mhz_edu | :) | 10:43 |
| mhz_edu | gand, but I doubt it is possible | 10:43 |
| gand | on gnome/Edubuntu as GDM run as admin user and not as root I've tu use terminal to copy and remove file from root folder | 10:43 |
| gand | I wonder if there is a way to cp/rm file from "root owned folder" via gnome | 10:45 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 10:45 |
| gand | how? :) | 10:45 |
| mhz_edu | ina terminal, run $ sudo passwd | 10:45 |
| mhz_edu | enter user password | 10:45 |
| mhz_edu | and then create root passwprd | 10:46 |
| mhz_edu | once created, do: $ su - | 10:46 |
| mhz_edu | login as root | 10:46 |
| gand | you mean logout from gdm admin and login on gdm as admin? | 10:47 |
| mhz_edu | and from the terminal, do for exapmle: $ galeon | 10:47 |
| mhz_edu | nop | 10:47 |
| mhz_edu | all in same terminal window | 10:47 |
| mhz_edu | do it asn u'll see | 10:47 |
| gand | well in this way root is enabled, ok | 10:48 |
| mhz_edu | basically, you'll call GUI programs from root, and hence, all is permission open | 10:48 |
| mhz_edu | did you understand? if not ask me again, no problem | 10:49 |
| gand | I understand, with $ su - gdm run as root? | 10:49 |
| mhz_edu | hhhmmmm nop | 10:49 |
| mhz_edu | $ su - | 10:49 |
| mhz_edu | in a terminal, you will become root. Being root, and calling programs from the terminal, those applications will have no restrictions | 10:50 |
| mhz_edu | but if you call a program from Menu, then the applications remains restricted | 10:51 |
| mhz_edu | would you like to go step by step? | 10:52 |
| gand | the problem now is that I'm on my server via VNC through ssh tunnel, If I log out from my "admin" user, vnc server will close and I'll can't connect later | 10:52 |
| mhz_edu | do not log out. | 10:53 |
| mhz_edu | follow me.. | 10:53 |
| mhz_edu | you are "user" on ssh, right? | 10:53 |
| gand | so I wonder if, after setting root pw, I can run Gnome to drag/drop/copy/remove "Root folder" | 10:54 |
| mhz_edu | yes, if you follow me | 10:54 |
| gand | yes and also I've a vnc window open and I can see my gnome screen | 10:54 |
| mhz_edu | let's do it together | 10:54 |
| gand | ok | 10:54 |
| mhz_edu | in a terminal, you are logged in as user? | 10:55 |
| gand | yes ok I'm there | 10:55 |
| mhz_edu | ok, type: sudo passwd | 10:56 |
| gand | gand@edubuntu:~$ | 10:56 |
| mhz_edu | enter gand's password | 10:56 |
| mhz_edu | and now enter new Root password | 10:56 |
| mhz_edu | (twice) | 10:56 |
| === Yagisan is back | ||
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, welcome back after ffeding the princess | 10:57 |
| mhz_edu | gand, could you set root password? | 10:57 |
| Yagisan | agghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 | 10:57 |
| gand | It ask me: Enter new UNIX password: | 10:57 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, what? | 10:57 |
| Yagisan | root - did I just see log in as root ???? | 10:57 |
| mhz_edu | gand, yes, enter the password you want to assign to root | 10:57 |
| gand | not my gand pw | 10:58 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, yes | 10:58 |
| gand | new root pw ok | 10:58 |
| mhz_edu | gand, nop. Now you are assigning root password | 10:58 |
| Yagisan | why not just ssh + sudo su ? | 10:58 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, dunno. He asks me, so i explain to him | 10:58 |
| mhz_edu | gand, now.. | 10:59 |
| gand | Yagisan I ask mhz how can I use gnome to to drag/drop/copy/remove some "Root ownad folder" | 10:59 |
| mhz_edu | type: su - | 10:59 |
| === Yagisan is catching up on scrollback | ||
| gand | mhz wait a minute | 10:59 |
| mhz_edu | and enter the root password | 10:59 |
| mhz_edu | gand, remember we are stillon the same terminal | 10:59 |
| gand | ok: passwd: password updated successfully | 11:00 |
| gand | ok root@edubuntu:~# | 11:00 |
| mhz_edu | perfect | 11:00 |
| mhz_edu | now, what file browser do you use in gnome? | 11:01 |
| mhz_edu | (to copy and paste) | 11:01 |
| Yagisan | gand, mhz_edu: please wait a sec | 11:01 |
| mhz_edu | ok | 11:01 |
| Yagisan | gand, mhz_edu: what gand wants to do is copy a file, then move it to a root owned directory right ? | 11:02 |
| mhz_edu | yes, but GUI like | 11:02 |
| Yagisan | ok | 11:02 |
| gand | yes gui like | 11:02 |
| Yagisan | first scp to a directory you can write too | 11:02 |
| Yagisan | next ssh to server | 11:03 |
| mhz_edu | and do sudo there? | 11:03 |
| Yagisan | then sudo nautilus | 11:03 |
| Yagisan | then move to where it should go | 11:03 |
| Yagisan | :) | 11:03 |
| Yagisan | gui way | 11:03 |
| mhz_edu | can you sudo nautilus??? | 11:03 |
| Yagisan | yes | 11:03 |
| mhz_edu | just like that? | 11:03 |
| mhz_edu | 'sudo nautilus' | 11:04 |
| gand | ok | 11:04 |
| Yagisan | should do | 11:04 |
| mhz_edu | no other command need? | 11:04 |
| Yagisan | not that I can think of | 11:04 |
| mhz_edu | it will open nautilus? | 11:04 |
| Yagisan | assuming X display is forwarded - yes | 11:04 |
| Yagisan | gand: please try it | 11:05 |
| mhz_edu | but isn't the syntax 'sudo command something'? | 11:05 |
| Yagisan | just sudo command works for most gui apps | 11:05 |
| gand | an now how can "delete" root password? | 11:05 |
| gand | $ sudo nautilus | 11:05 |
| gand | (nautilus:17818): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: | 11:05 |
| Yagisan | gand: (nautilus:17818): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display means we need X11 display forwarding setup | 11:06 |
| gand | sorry How can I do that? | 11:06 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, once I successfully netbooted the client and network was autodetected in the clients side, was there any chance I could have used the PCMCIA CD drive to install everything from CD instead of net?? | 11:06 |
| mhz_edu | gand, you are root now, right? can you just type nautilus? | 11:07 |
| Yagisan | gand: 'sudo passwd -l root' will lock the rook account for you | 11:07 |
| gand | ok I'll lock root account | 11:08 |
| gand | later | 11:08 |
| gand | I type nautilus as root but again (nautilus:17864): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: | 11:09 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: slim chance - depends on the drivers and if the could autodetect it | 11:09 |
| Yagisan | catch you later gand | 11:09 |
| gand | ok thank | 11:09 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I have successfully install Ubuntu 'server' method. Now i would like to show off with an Edubuntu installation, so I can demo it from a laptop (the one I'll be using on presentations). | 11:09 |
| mhz_edu | gand, hmm, it seems X11 needs to be set to allow you to do that | 11:10 |
| Yagisan | gand: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/X11_Forwarding.html | 11:10 |
| gand | I read thank | 11:10 |
| mhz_edu | gand, that's what you need | 11:10 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan forwarding gand to read on forwarding X11 :D | 11:11 |
| gand | I hope not to re- compile SSH :) | 11:12 |
| Yagisan | gand: this might be better http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/cscf/howto/ssh/ForwardX11.shtml | 11:12 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, you need a Moin wiki for your site, especially if you'll have important documentation and news. | 11:12 |
| Yagisan | gand: basically ssh -Y your_server_here | 11:13 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I understand the driver thing. | 11:13 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: yes - but that is proof of concept - notice the redirect ? | 11:13 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, what If I wanted to tell grub to boot from PCMCIA CD ? | 11:13 |
| gand | I read: ssh -X <hostname> | 11:13 |
| Yagisan | gand: With versions 3.8 and above, you may need to use the -Y option instead of -X | 11:14 |
| mhz_edu | gand, ssh -X gand@server | 11:14 |
| gand | ok | 11:14 |
| mhz_edu | gand, ssh -Y gand@server | 11:14 |
| mhz_edu | :D | 11:14 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: I don't think it can be done (yet) | 11:14 |
| mhz_edu | just like ssh or scp :) | 11:14 |
| gand | sorry "ssh -Y gand@edubuntu" or "ssh -Y edubuntu" | 11:16 |
| mhz_edu | 1st | 11:16 |
| mhz_edu | the same server you used to ssh ok | 11:17 |
| gand | ok | 11:17 |
| gand | so: | 11:17 |
| gand | 1) ssh gand@myserver | 11:18 |
| gand | 2) ssh -Y gand@edubuntu | 11:18 |
| mhz_edu | nop | 11:18 |
| Yagisan | 1) ssh -Y gand@myserver | 11:18 |
| mhz_edu | just 2) | 11:18 |
| gand | 3) sudo nautilus | 11:18 |
| Yagisan | 2), then 3) | 11:18 |
| mhz_edu | yes, no 1) | 11:18 |
| mhz_edu | :D | 11:18 |
| gand | http://pastebin.com/387869 | 11:22 |
| gand | gand is kandinsky and server is moodle.sky.mi.it | 11:22 |
| gand | (nautilus:18057): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: | 11:23 |
| mhz_edu | boooh | 11:23 |
| mhz_edu | then I have no clue | 11:23 |
| Yagisan | try ssh -X instead | 11:23 |
| mhz_edu | why not doing this rm.mv or cp via command line | 11:23 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, in older PowerBooks (ppc), you may not boot any other OS different form Apple's. So , you had a bootloader. You places vmlinuz and initrd.gz onto the HD , booted and inserted a the other OS CD. | 11:25 |
| gand | same error with -X | 11:25 |
| Yagisan | gand: you need to edit some ssh configuration files | 11:26 |
| Yagisan | gand: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#2.7 | 11:26 |
| mhz_edu | gand, for your own sanity, I reccomend you to learn MV, CP and RM to work from the commnad line. It's faster (lot), simple, and secure | 11:26 |
| Yagisan | gand: and if you need a file manager - 'apt-get install mc' on the server for a decent command line file manager | 11:27 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I am about falling asleep | 11:28 |
| gand | more tools we have, better is :) thanks | 11:28 |
| mhz_edu | Yagisan, I am about to be killed, in other words :D | 11:28 |
| gand | just sunday 11.30 AM here | 11:28 |
| gand | Milan Italy :) | 11:29 |
| mhz_edu | hehehe, 06:30 | 11:29 |
| mhz_edu | am | 11:29 |
| mhz_edu | here | 11:29 |
| mhz_edu | mamma mia! | 11:29 |
| Yagisan | 7:30 pm here | 11:29 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: Don't die! I see a potential customer :-D | 11:29 |
| mhz_edu | lol | 11:29 |
| mhz_edu | so, any ideas on how to install edubuntu now that I have a thin linux box | 11:30 |
| mhz_edu | ? | 11:30 |
| mhz_edu | Grub + ? | 11:30 |
| mhz_edu | Grub + initrd.gz + linux file? | 11:30 |
| mhz_edu | and that will boot to what? a PCMCIA cd? | 11:31 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: you have ppc ? | 11:31 |
| mhz_edu | I had | 11:31 |
| mhz_edu | I have, but needs some parts | 11:31 |
| Yagisan | ok - what is your thin linux box ? | 11:32 |
| mhz_edu | Fujitsu b2175 | 11:32 |
| Yagisan | I though you had edubuntu set up ? | 11:32 |
| mhz_edu | lifebooh | 11:32 |
| mhz_edu | lifebook | 11:32 |
| mhz_edu | I have: Celeron 700 Mhz + 128 RAM (desktop) and Fujitsu | 11:33 |
| mhz_edu | My wife has another laptop: Compaq M300 | 11:33 |
| Yagisan | you want to take the fujitsu to demo right ? | 11:33 |
| mhz_edu | both laptops boot PXE | 11:33 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 11:33 |
| mhz_edu | I have already sheduled 9 demos | 11:34 |
| Yagisan | so - the fujitsu should be a server ? | 11:34 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 11:34 |
| mhz_edu | and it has 2 ethX so far | 11:34 |
| Yagisan | are there already pc's where you are going ? | 11:34 |
| mhz_edu | yes, and no. | 11:34 |
| Yagisan | ok - heres what I think you should do | 11:35 |
| Yagisan | we should install an edubuntu server on your laptop | 11:35 |
| Yagisan | we will adjust the dhcpd.conf for a different range | 11:35 |
| Yagisan | eg 192.168.45.0 | 11:36 |
| === mhz_edu following and agreeing | ||
| Yagisan | we will then make several rom-o-matic bootable cd images, and bootable floppy images | 11:36 |
| Yagisan | covering the most common net cards | 11:36 |
| mhz_edu | ah, for the other pc's you mean? | 11:37 |
| mhz_edu | ! | 11:37 |
| Yagisan | yes | 11:37 |
| Yagisan | we plug you laptop in - boot it | 11:37 |
| Yagisan | then we boot the other pc's off floppys and cd's for proof of concept | 11:37 |
| mhz_edu | and the laptops will provide edubuntu to the other pcs! that's the idea! | 11:37 |
| Yagisan | you get on average 15 clients on 100Mbs | 11:38 |
| mhz_edu | my demos will/should be 3-5 clients tops | 11:38 |
| Yagisan | how much ram does the laptop have ? | 11:38 |
| mhz_edu | 256 | 11:38 |
| mhz_edu | and is 500 MHz "celeron" :( | 11:39 |
| mhz_edu | but it has touchscreen!!! :D | 11:39 |
| mhz_edu | I also have: 1 USB floppy drive and 1 PCMCIA CD drive | 11:39 |
| Yagisan | that should be ok for 1-3 clients (depening on what you load) - can stretch to 5 | 11:39 |
| Yagisan | depending | 11:39 |
| mhz_edu | yes, hence I am trying to test fluxbos and windowmaker | 11:40 |
| Yagisan | I'd use icewm myself | 11:40 |
| mhz_edu | well, we can include it :) | 11:40 |
| Yagisan | (windows users feel more comfatable) | 11:40 |
| Yagisan | comfortable | 11:40 |
| mhz_edu | the idea is to show off as much as possible. even KDe :) | 11:40 |
| mhz_edu | but Many of the clients I'd be using are 64-128 MB ram average | 11:41 |
| mhz_edu | 400-700 MHz | 11:41 |
| Yagisan | sorry mhz_edu, 500MHz is not enough for KDE | 11:41 |
| Yagisan | the server needs as much RAM as it can get | 11:41 |
| mhz_edu | I have used it but you're rght | 11:42 |
| Yagisan | all my clients are 64MB | 11:42 |
| Yagisan | my server however is 1.5GB | 11:42 |
| mhz_edu | wow! | 11:42 |
| Yagisan | (all slots full :( ) | 11:42 |
| mhz_edu | hehehe | 11:42 |
| === mhz_edu envys you :) | ||
| === Yagisan doesn't get an upgrade for 4 years | ||
| mhz_edu | so, you say this laptop can have edubuntu | 11:43 |
| Yagisan | yes | 11:43 |
| mhz_edu | booting from? | 11:43 |
| Yagisan | boot the laptop from the hard disk | 11:43 |
| Yagisan | it will be the server | 11:44 |
| mhz_edu | yes | 11:44 |
| Yagisan | we will use the demo peoples computers as clients | 11:44 |
| mhz_edu | but how do i boot it in order to install edubuntu on it? | 11:44 |
| mhz_edu | :D | 11:44 |
| Yagisan | just a moment | 11:44 |
| Yagisan | do you have a 2.5" laptop hard drive adaptor ? | 11:45 |
| mhz_edu | nop | 11:45 |
| mhz_edu | otherwise I would have used it 80 hours ago :D | 11:45 |
| Yagisan | what media does the lifebook boot from | 11:45 |
| Yagisan | ? | 11:45 |
| mhz_edu | hd and PXE | 11:46 |
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| Yagisan | mhz_edu: just checking an idea | 11:47 |
| mhz_edu | booting Grub to get initrd.gz and then point it to PCMCIA CD would be cool! | 11:47 |
| mhz_edu | my internet speed is not "speedy" | 11:48 |
| mhz_edu | so from internet it would take 6 hours | 11:48 |
| mhz_edu | or more | 11:48 |
| Yagisan | be back soon - dinner. | 11:51 |
| gand | I get it sorry : | 12:05 |
| mhz_edu | ? | 12:06 |
| mhz_edu | sorry? | 12:06 |
| gand | I just type sudo nautilus on terminal window locally on my server (via vnc) and my gnome now run as root | 12:06 |
| gand | if I type sudo nautilus from psx teminal remotely from my ibook i got Gtk warning etc | 12:07 |
| gand | psx/osx | 12:07 |
| gand | so $ sudo nautilus I can manage root's files and folders cp/rm using gnome :) | 12:09 |
| mhz_edu | i'm glad you worked it our | 12:18 |
| Yagisan | back again | 12:47 |
| Yagisan | mhz_edu: your laptop - are you sue it doesn't boot from cd ? | 12:48 |
| Yagisan | s/sue/sure | 12:49 |
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| mhz | re | 01:55 |
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| Yagisan | well that was traumatic, princesses nappy failed spectacularly | 02:24 |
| Yagisan | mhz: wb | 02:25 |
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| Yagisan | lucasvo: lts.conf does work - but not all of it it seems | 02:26 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: I can get MODULE_01 to work - but thats about it at the moment | 02:27 |
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| lucasvo | Yagisan: what do you mean? | 02:55 |
| Yagisan | lucasvo: I mean that I can get the option MODULE_01 to work in lts.conf, but none of the other options I've tried | 02:58 |
| lucasvo | Yagisan: that's strange | 02:58 |
| lucasvo | why? | 02:58 |
| Yagisan | no idea | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | I'll do more testing a bit later | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | first I want to get powerpc clients running on and amd64 server | 03:00 |
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| Yagisan | bye all | 03:42 |
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| fersfeir | hi, i try to build with jigdo an iso image, but i can't :-( | 06:36 |
| fersfeir | --13:37:34-- http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/libpq4_8.0.3-15ubuntu1_i386.deb | 06:36 |
| fersfeir | => `breezy-install-i386.iso.tmpdir/releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/libpq4_8.0.3-15ubuntu1_i386.deb' | 06:36 |
| fersfeir | Reusing existing connection to releases.ubuntu.com:80. | 06:36 |
| fersfeir | Peticin HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 404 Not Found | 06:36 |
| fersfeir | 13:37:34 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 06:36 |
| fersfeir | know another mirrot to try? | 06:37 |
| fersfeir | well... :'( download a complete iso.... thanks also | 06:43 |
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| mhz | arkan0x, estoy en almuerzo recien | 08:41 |
| mhz | arkan0x, estaras mas rato? | 08:41 |
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| mhz | arkan0x, ping? | 10:39 |
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| arkan0x | mhz, ! ping | 10:45 |
| mhz | hey, arkan0x | 10:51 |
| mhz | arkan0x, como esta el toshiba? tiene nombre? | 10:51 |
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