[12:03] heh [12:03] Launchpad can send you a new one [12:04] am i being redirected or something? it is taking loooong to show me the theme [12:04] hm, works ok here. It's probably not in the cache though [12:05] hmmmm, nothing diff [12:05] go to user prefs and select the edubuntu skin [12:05] are you sure you placed the .py under /MoinMoin/themes ? [12:05] ahhh, edubuntu [12:05] yeah, works for me ... [12:06] it's on the ubuntu wiki not edubuntu [12:06] I ahd chosen ubuntu-test :) [12:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ [12:06] ok [12:07] wow! looks nice.. [12:07] very nice! [12:07] very very nice! === mhz_ed starts playing a little to test it [12:07] thanks. highvoltage did the first design work [12:08] 1st thing: MoreActions still show same color for both permitted and non-permitted actions, is that intentional? [12:08] are there any non-permitted actions? [12:09] I think anyone can do anything in this wiki :) [12:09] Rename and Delete ? [12:10] yepp, even that :) [12:10] I can't access to those options but still see them as normal [12:10] hm, ok. I'll look at that [12:10] very cool RC! [12:11] Yeah, I already like it better than the normal ubuntu skin [12:11] the tan gets a bit boring after a while [12:12] there is still a bit of brown here and there ... [12:12] yes [12:12] good icons! [12:12] Like table headings https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCameras [12:12] gartoon [12:12] like thedesktop [12:13] aren't /datas merged yet? [12:13] no, not yet [12:13] but that's easy [12:13] hmmm why not? [12:13] the edubuntu wiki is small === fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.2.60] has joined #edubuntu [12:14] good question really :) [12:14] we'll do it in the next few days [12:14] ok [12:14] hmm, 2nd thing: looooong names get out of proportions [12:14] but it seems to be a Moin problem [12:14] then we have to do that skin URL forwarding trick [12:15] out of proportions? [12:15] or that. yes [12:15] yes, it oversizes the width of the header [12:16] oh, yeah [12:16] Maybe you could try giving options of "repeating" background [12:16] or, play some "degrade" (difumination?) of color [12:16] tricks [12:17] on the header? [12:17] yep [12:17] or just make heading a bit smaller [12:17] smaller font [12:17] I had the exact issue on all my firts 3 themes [12:18] well, that too, but it won't solve the issue, actually. ICanStillThinkOf VeryLargeTitleAsHeadingFroYOurWikiSiteOrPage [12:18] :) [12:18] and then .. it will still be oversizeing [12:18] true [12:19] but then it's your own fault :) [12:19] LOL [12:19] true [12:20] so far, very cool look&feel [12:20] it reminds me of SchoolBell red color [12:20] Cool. [12:20] when is this supposed ot be out [12:20] ? [12:21] I'll probably have to redo the ubuntu skin now [12:21] Tuesday perhaps? :) [12:21] wow, very soon [12:21] 3rd thing: maybe nothing BUt still have to mention it. [12:21] yeah, before the launch of edubuntu [12:21] what's you monitor size? [12:21] or on the same day [12:22] 1280x1024 [12:23] mine is 15" at 1024*something, and using a little more than 3/4 of it, The orange search area overlaps the Moreactions menu, just a little enough to cover the drop down area. [12:24] That is not an issue, but, when i want to click on the down arrow, I do but it does not respond [12:24] yeah, I think I'll remove Show Changes and leave just Get Info for that purpose [12:24] so I am forced to click on the MoreActions word. then it responds [12:25] yepp, known problem [12:25] I can also trim the orange image a bit [12:26] maybe placing the options a little more to the right will reduce the size of the orange thing. [12:26] BTW, what do you call that orange area? [12:26] :) [12:27] dunno :) [12:27] I could shrink the search box a bit (how?, what file is that in?) [12:29] mhz_ed: thanks for your help. I've got to go [12:29] I'll be back tomorrow [12:29] okidoki [12:29] please [12:30] have nice day [12:30] I'm off to sleep! [12:30] you have a nice day :) === hno73 [n=hno73@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] [01:41] hey!!!!! [01:41] I managed to NetBoot from a Edubuntu box!!! [01:42] I just added a couple of lines to the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [01:42] untar netboot.gz (got it from web) [01:42] restart dhcp [01:43] place netboot extracted onto /var/lib/tftpboot/ [01:43] VERY SIMPLE and effective [01:43] Any one living here today? === mhz_ed trying to install edubuntu now, via tftp booting :) === macgyver2 is now known as mac2|asleep === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #edubuntu === Grant__ [n=grant@85-210-19-14.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-83-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz_ed [n=gnulibre@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:05] ogra, ping === mhz_ed [n=gnulibre@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] anyone around? [05:09] arkan0x, hey [05:09] mhz_ed, hi [05:10] mhz_ed, pv [05:10] pv? [05:10] mhz , mauricio hernandez ! [05:10] X === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-122-217.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-122-217.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === paulproteus|home [n=paulprot@cpe-66-66-12-25.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === paulproteus|home [n=paulprot@cpe-66-66-12-25.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] === mhz_edu [n=gnulibre@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:25] anybody here? [08:25] ogra, ping? [08:30] mhz_edu: I'm here [08:31] Yagisan, cool [08:32] Yagisan, sensei, I have finally installed edubuntu and also managed to netboot thin laptop in order to install linux from server [08:32] BUT [08:32] the laptop boots fine, it asks for keyboard, langiage,etc [08:33] language, sorry [08:33] mhz_edu: I'm not a teacher :) [08:33] go on [08:33] when it asks to choose a mirror, I just can't get the web [08:34] I am using a crossover to connect edubuntu with the laptop [08:34] and edubuntu can get to the web with no problem, via my eth0 [08:34] my eth1 is for local machines [08:34] but the laptop can't connect right [08:35] Dhcp is provinding ip via eth1, BTW. [08:35] right [08:35] I did a nat [08:35] so my guess is Nat is not working propoerly or the crossover is not for web? [08:36] ok - it looks like it (edubuntu) is not forwarding the packets [08:36] yes [08:36] crossovers don't matter [08:36] how can I check that? [08:36] cool [08:36] whats the ip for eth0 and eth1 ? [08:37] eth0 -> 201.215.84.252 === Yagisan sshs into my router to check settings [08:37] eth1 -> 192.168.0.1 [08:37] ok [08:38] Yagisan, I also have a Dlink router that I was using, without dhcp, to provide web to local machines via eth1. Since I installed edubuntu, I had to use the crossover because machines did not get ips from dhcp [08:38] when you set up the nat how did you do it ? [08:39] iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE [08:39] echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [08:40] that looks right to me so far [08:40] did you modprobe iptable_nat ? [08:40] to load the nat module for iptables ? [08:41] another detail is that my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf has 192.168.0.1 for both router and domain-name-server [08:41] hmmm, nop [08:42] now, I just did [08:42] mhz_edu: is 192.168.0.1 a dns server ? (I changed that to my isp dns servers) [08:42] nop [08:42] good point [08:42] if it's not - then the clients are probally timing out on dns === mhz_edu changing [08:43] does http://66.102.7.147 work ? [08:46] mhz_edu: working ? [08:47] Yagisan, sorry, I had to get to the toilette :) [08:47] .oO(almost 03:00 AM here) [08:48] taht ip is google's [08:48] that ip is google's [08:50] mhz_edu: I know - I just pinged my home page [08:50] hehehe [08:50] it is working! [08:50] if it works like that - but not as http://www.google.com you have a dns problem [08:50] ok, here's the problem [08:51] NAT must be off when you boot the laptop and wait for ip, and all. [08:52] after booting and entering the installation procedure, you can activate NAT in the server [08:52] but then , in the laptop, you must go back to network autoconfig [08:52] I was not doing that [08:52] neither was I modprobing [08:53] thx for that [08:53] hmm - should work with NAT on [08:53] your welcome [08:53] Yagisan, now I am happy I finally contribute to Edubuntu docs with my 2 cents about this howto :D [08:53] Yagisan, probably yes [08:54] but again, I just couldn't use edubuntu dhcp server via my Dlink to the laptop [08:54] mhz_edu: good spot about my name - the dlink is a bit odd [08:55] so there must be something else missing on this issue. Something I am not seeing [08:55] this is the same dlink you talked about yesterday with ogra ? === Yagisan is in Australia [08:55] Yagisan, sorry for my english so bad. I did not quite get the "good spot" [08:56] yesp [08:56] same thing [08:56] you noticed my name is Japanese [08:56] so you can imagine how long I've been sitting fighting here [08:56] yes [08:56] oh, that [08:56] :) [08:57] my butt is asking for forgiveness and promises to be kind to me now [08:57] :D [08:57] :) [08:57] and my legs can't walk well [08:58] perhaps after you get some rest - you get some inspiration as to why the dlink won't work [08:58] is it a router or a switch ? [08:58] and my wife is mad because I have spent at least 80 hours on this, the last 5 days [08:58] it reads: Ethernet Broadband Router [08:58] I just told my wife it was work related [08:58] LOL [08:59] actually it is [08:59] (and gave her a pc) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-23.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu [08:59] 'coz this is the only laptop (the one I am now installing) I have for my Edubuntu presentations [08:59] was the dlink used for ADSL ? [08:59] was? [09:00] did you used to use / still use the dlink for an adsl connection [09:00] ? [09:00] I have my ISP Modem (cable) connected to eth0. Eth1 is connected to the Dlink. The laptops connect to Dlink to get internet access [09:00] (at least that was the layout) [09:01] OK - just trying to workout how the device worked [09:01] did the dlink do nat ? or dhcp ? [09:02] .oO(I just can't express how "deliciously pleasant" it is to format this HD in this Fujitsu thin laptop) === Yagisan has no laptop :'( [09:02] no idea. I passed Iptalbes commands (the one I showed) === Yagisan has to pay new baby expenses [09:03] Yagisan, I had no laptops until I understood I did not need so much of a desktop power, so started buying 2nd hand or refurbished laptops. [09:03] Yagisan, how old's you baby? [09:04] this Fujitsu is 500 Mhz celeron, 256 MB ram, and 20 GB HD [09:04] one is 20 months the next one is due November 20 [09:04] and 10.4 inches :D [09:04] Yagisan, so you've been busy [09:04] :D [09:04] congrats! [09:04] mine is 4 and the other is 10 [09:05] :'( not anymore - my wife is threatening in to chop it off ! [09:05] ooooops [09:05] well, look at the good side of it. [09:05] you'll be able to afford a laptop in a near future :D [09:06] boys or girls ? I have one girl - and I think the next one is a boy [09:06] Is this your dlink ? http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62 === mhz_edu firefoxing [09:07] Yagisan, boy = 10 and girl =4. Boy lives with my ex-wife, thou [09:07] hope you can see him (sometimes ex's make it hard) [09:07] Yagisan, UNBELIEVABLE! yes, that's my router :D [09:08] not sometimes [09:08] Always! === Yagisan used to be a network engineer [09:08] but as long as you pay constantly.. they get a little -only a little, remember they are ex- smoother === mhz_edu knows nothing about computers [09:09] well, a little more than a regular newbie [09:09] just a freedom of access and technology fanatic [09:09] ok - you will have lots of trouble with the dlink :( [09:10] boooh [09:10] at least you may save me 80 more hours trying to make it work [09:10] it's not a regular router/switch - more like a custom nat box [09:10] that sounded japaneese to me [09:11] a cheap 100MBps switch (about $20au) should do the job for you [09:11] Inet -> cablemodem -> edubuntu -> switch -> pc's [09:11] hmmm, about U$30? [09:12] more like US$15 [09:12] they shouldn't be too expensive [09:12] cool [09:13] my switch http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code] =NE-MS4008B&input[category_id] =1114 [09:13] cheap, chinese, and within walking distance :) [09:14] lol [09:15] You'll like the next version of edubuntu [09:15] why? [09:15] it includes TFTP booting? [09:15] I've contributed patches that let you have multiple client architectures on your server [09:16] so you can eg have i386 clients on an amd64 server [09:16] wow! that's perfect for educational envs. [09:16] you need TFTP booting ? [09:16] ppc, too? [09:16] working on ppc - that's a bit harder [09:16] I need qemu to work for that [09:17] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297 [09:17] Yagisan, well, in any educational environment, in Chile, boxes come and go. Teachers may have boxes at home, so may students. [09:17] Therefore, giving the chance to install onto their pcs is cool [09:17] initial work /|\ [09:18] I use rom-o-matic to build etherboot images with pxe emulation [09:18] so, having Edubuntu at schools (LTSP) and similar boxes at home, is good. Now even better idea if from the same server you install linux [09:19] i've heard about rom-o-matic [09:19] but what if, in my case, I had this thin box, with no chance to boot from Cd nor Floppy [09:20] I am currently volunteering for a prohject called RecicLab [09:20] none of my netcards have boot roms - so I went to rom-o-matic made zlilo images and put it on a hard disk in the clients [09:20] here, we provide a computer to a young man on the conditin that he'll learn how to put together all the pieces and also install linux on it [09:21] edited grub to make netbooting default :) [09:21] cool [09:21] wow! can you use Grub to boot an installation process from HD? [09:21] women too ? [09:21] yes [09:22] I cheat - I do the most striped down server install on the hdd [09:22] and these people MUST come accompained by a relative or grownup responsible for him, so tehy both must come to the 7 days sessions [09:22] otherwise, they do not get the pc home [09:22] :) [09:22] then I get grub to load rom-o-matic image to load kernel over the network [09:22] not cheat, u're wise [09:23] but how d'u do it when the pc has windows? [09:23] and is a thin client. [09:23] .oO( glad it fit on a 257MB hard disk) [09:24] I once installed linux from windows using a tool called Grub4NT [09:24] I remove windows - I have Ubuntu hoary cd's for each supported arch === mhz_edu wanted to remove windows but just couldnt 'coz there was no way to install another OS unless netbooting [09:24] and I keep a CDROM drive that I install just to put ubuntu on - then I take my CDROM out [09:25] you mean, you install linux from windows onto thin clients and using a CDROM?? [09:25] (external?) [09:26] no - I pull case off - stick in cdrom - install linux (wipeing out windows) [09:27] I then copy rom-o-matic image to hard disk [09:27] edit grub, and have the system boot up [09:27] ok [09:27] It then runs everything off the edubuntu/ltsp server [09:28] my office [09:28] have you wikied that way? [09:28] (amd64)----->switch---(i386 box1, i386 box2, etc) [09:28] no - I haven't wikied it [09:29] could you? [09:29] I will shortly (within a few days) - I need to clearly document it [09:31] Yagisan, if I gave static ips to clients, would the dlink work friendly with dhcp server? [09:31] the dlink is doing some nating [09:32] it looks like it is dropping the broadcasts which is how dhcp works [09:32] dlink uses that as a primitive firewall [09:33] :( [09:33] you will most likely need great patience - and if it's like my netcomm it won't ever work [09:33] how can I acces to its web interface and set it to my needs? === Yagisan is looking at dlink site [09:36] mhz_edu: which is yours ?http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&sec=0#quickInstallGuides [09:39] http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&pv=16&sec=0 [09:40] hmmm, you're thinking about firmware upgrade? [09:41] nope [09:41] can I ask you a dumb question [09:41] what ports are you plugging the cable in ? [09:42] the 4 on the left ? or the 1 on the right ? [09:43] please humor me - and try only the 4 on the left [09:44] waht cable? the eth0 is to the Modem, and eth1 to Dlink. You want me to connect the eth1 to the 4th port to the left? left is relative. [09:45] on the back of the dlink [09:45] the are 4 ports close together [09:46] then 1 port and poer [09:46] power [09:46] the 4 ports close together are left (when looking at the back) [09:46] ok [09:47] edubuntu eth1 to leftmost port, then you can attach 3 clients to the next 3 ports [09:47] don't use the port next to power [09:47] but i can't right now 'coz eth1 is being used by the crossover [09:47] LOl [09:48] later then :) [09:48] next - that dlink seems to take 192.168.0.1 by default [09:48] duh! [09:48] no wonder why I was having so much trouble [09:49] so - sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [09:49] and change ips [09:49] change 192.168.0.1 to something else [09:49] can I use nano instead? :D [09:50] I use 192.168.1.1 [09:50] sure [09:50] I use mcedit myself [09:50] I'd reather use emacs thou [09:50] ok - sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf :-D [09:50] lol [09:50] or [09:51] no sudo [09:51] should use sudo - that file is only editable by root [09:51] or nohup sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [09:52] yes, but if I have laready assigned root a password.. i can by pss sudo [09:52] bypass [09:52] true [09:52] but then you can't copy & paste :) [09:52] and I use sudo especially when I log in via ssh remotely [09:53] root is blocked for ssh [09:53] ssh login I mean [09:53] then, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart [09:53] and it should all be ok [09:53] yes [09:53] want to see my dhcpd.conf as an example ? [09:54] and I could finally see if that was the stupid simple issue of my dhcp server not passing through [09:54] why not? [09:55] I suggest some tape over that last port if that works === Yagisan also used to be Technical Support === Yagisan was also a Systems Administrator === Yagisan is now an E-Security Consultant [09:56] BTW, if i remove gdm from init.d, and I am used to login and then startx, will LDM still work fine on clients? === mhz_edu was a Translator and Interpreter === mhz_edu was teacher [09:57] I'd leave gdm alone, it doesn't hurt, and any upgrade will put it back === mhz_edu is now volunteer for 5 FreeAsInFreedom projects [09:57] Yagisan, but how do I just get rid of it or block it on upgrades? [09:58] the clients don't load gdm [09:58] I know, they load LDM [09:58] the gdm you are looking at (this is on edubuntu right ?) is the one used to log in locally to the server [09:58] I have created .xsession and indicated to exec fluxbox. No success, it gets back to login prompt [09:59] yes, I wanna get rid of GDM, not LDM [09:59] you need gdm on the server [09:59] my .xsession works perfectly on the server BUT the clients [09:59] you can't use ldm for a local login on the server [10:00] why need it? [10:00] I know [10:00] Login Display Manager [10:00] LtspDisplay Manager [10:00] where is .xsession ? [10:01] $HOME/.xsession ? [10:01] then how could i enable Fluxbox or WindowMaker or Enlightenment for Clients [10:01] ? [10:01] yes [10:01] I tried to put it on /etc/X11 [10:01] I tried to put it on /etc/X11/Xsession something [10:02] but I couldn't figure out [10:02] $HOME/.xsession is the right spot [10:02] fluxbox runs only on server, so far. [10:02] client changes are usually in /opt/ltsp/$ARCH/etc [10:02] hmmm === mhz_edu reading your dhcp === mhz_edu wow... 5:03 AM here === mhz_edu is gonna get kicked in the ass :D [10:03] man - you should get some sleep [10:03] it's 6:03 PM here [10:03] but fujitsu is installing vim-common [10:04] and fujitsu can keep installing while you sleep [10:04] there was a news here in chile that Australia was looking for chilean workers [10:05] Yagisan, yes, but it wouldn't be the same :D [10:05] it needs its daddy [10:06] is the news right? [10:06] really ? (they wouldn't hire the locals when I was f*cking unemployed for a few years ) === Yagisan stopped watching tv a while ago - no reception [10:07] i've been unemployed for a year now [10:07] I get some money from volunteering , ocationally [10:07] It sucks doesn't it. [10:07] YES! [10:07] I borrowed some money from wife and her parents to start a business [10:07] but I am very "hyper" and I am always doing something or making things happen [10:08] e-stuff? [10:08] E-Security (professional hacker, Security Audits) [10:09] It's hard to concentrate on getting customers - and preparing for wife to give birth [10:09] nice job [10:09]