[12:03] <hno73> heh
[12:03] <hno73> Launchpad can send you a new one
[12:04] <mhz_ed> am i being redirected or something? it is taking loooong to show me the theme
[12:04] <hno73> hm, works ok here. It's probably not in the cache though
[12:05] <mhz_ed> hmmmm, nothing diff
[12:05] <hno73> go to user prefs and select the edubuntu skin
[12:05] <mhz_ed> are you sure you placed the .py under /MoinMoin/themes ?
[12:05] <mhz_ed> ahhh, edubuntu
[12:05] <hno73> yeah, works for me ...
[12:06] <hno73> it's on the ubuntu wiki not edubuntu
[12:06] <mhz_ed> I ahd chosen ubuntu-test :)
[12:06] <hno73> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[12:06] <hno73> ok
[12:07] <mhz_ed> wow! looks nice..
[12:07] <mhz_ed> very nice!
[12:07] <mhz_ed> very very nice!
[12:07] <hno73> thanks. highvoltage did the first design work
[12:08] <mhz_ed> 1st thing: MoreActions still show same color for both permitted and non-permitted actions, is that intentional?
[12:08] <hno73> are there any non-permitted actions?
[12:09] <hno73> I think anyone can do anything in this wiki :)
[12:09] <mhz_ed> Rename and Delete ?
[12:10] <hno73> yepp, even that :)
[12:10] <mhz_ed> I can't access to those options but still see them as normal
[12:10] <hno73> hm, ok. I'll look at that
[12:10] <mhz_ed> very cool RC!
[12:11] <hno73> Yeah, I already like it better than the normal ubuntu skin
[12:11] <hno73> the tan gets a bit boring after a while
[12:12] <hno73> there is still a bit of brown here and there ...
[12:12] <mhz_ed> yes
[12:12] <mhz_ed> good icons!
[12:12] <hno73> Like table headings https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaDigitalCameras
[12:12] <hno73> gartoon
[12:12] <hno73> like thedesktop
[12:13] <mhz_ed> aren't /datas merged yet?
[12:13] <hno73> no, not yet
[12:13] <hno73> but that's easy
[12:13] <mhz_ed> hmmm why not?
[12:13] <hno73> the edubuntu wiki is small
[12:14] <hno73> good question really :)
[12:14] <hno73> we'll do it in the next few days
[12:14] <mhz_ed> ok
[12:14] <mhz_ed> hmm, 2nd thing: looooong names get out of proportions
[12:14] <mhz_ed> but it seems to be a Moin problem
[12:14] <hno73> then we have to do that skin URL forwarding trick
[12:15] <hno73> out of proportions?
[12:15] <mhz_ed> or that. yes
[12:15] <mhz_ed> yes, it oversizes the width of the header
[12:16] <hno73> oh, yeah
[12:16] <mhz_ed> Maybe you could try giving options of "repeating" background
[12:16] <mhz_ed> or, play some "degrade" (difumination?) of color
[12:16] <mhz_ed> tricks
[12:17] <hno73> on the header?
[12:17] <mhz_ed> yep
[12:17] <hno73> or just make heading a bit smaller
[12:17] <hno73> smaller font
[12:17] <mhz_ed> I had the exact issue on all my firts 3 themes
[12:18] <mhz_ed> well, that too, but it won't solve the issue, actually. ICanStillThinkOf VeryLargeTitleAsHeadingFroYOurWikiSiteOrPage
[12:18] <mhz_ed> :)
[12:18] <mhz_ed> and then .. it will still be oversizeing
[12:18] <hno73> true
[12:19] <hno73> but then it's your own fault :)
[12:19] <mhz_ed> LOL
[12:19] <mhz_ed> true
[12:20] <mhz_ed> so far, very cool look&feel
[12:20] <mhz_ed> it reminds me of SchoolBell red color
[12:20] <hno73> Cool. 
[12:20] <mhz_ed> when is this supposed ot be out
[12:20] <mhz_ed> ?
[12:21] <hno73> I'll probably have to redo the ubuntu skin now
[12:21] <hno73> Tuesday perhaps? :)
[12:21] <mhz_ed> wow, very soon
[12:21] <mhz_ed> 3rd thing: maybe nothing BUt still have to mention it.
[12:21] <hno73> yeah, before the launch of edubuntu
[12:21] <mhz_ed> what's you monitor size?
[12:21] <hno73> or on the same day
[12:22] <hno73> 1280x1024
[12:23] <mhz_ed> mine is 15" at 1024*something, and using a little more than 3/4 of it, The orange search area overlaps the Moreactions menu, just a little enough to cover the drop down area.
[12:24] <mhz_ed> That is not an issue, but, when i want to click on the down arrow, I do but it does not respond
[12:24] <hno73> yeah, I think I'll remove Show Changes and leave just Get Info for that purpose
[12:24] <mhz_ed> so I am forced to click on the MoreActions word. then it responds
[12:25] <hno73> yepp, known problem
[12:25] <hno73> I can also trim the orange image a bit
[12:26] <mhz_ed> maybe placing the options a little more to the right will reduce the size of the orange thing.
[12:26] <mhz_ed> BTW, what do you call that orange area?
[12:26] <mhz_ed> :)
[12:27] <hno73> dunno :)
[12:27] <hno73> I could shrink the search box a bit (how?, what file is that in?)
[12:29] <hno73> mhz_ed: thanks for your help. I've got to go
[12:29] <hno73> I'll be back tomorrow
[12:29] <mhz_ed> okidoki
[12:29] <mhz_ed> please
[12:30] <mhz_ed> have nice day
[12:30] <hno73> I'm off to sleep!
[12:30] <hno73> you have a nice day :)
[01:41] <mhz_ed> hey!!!!!
[01:41] <mhz_ed> I managed to NetBoot from a Edubuntu box!!!
[01:42] <mhz_ed> I just added a couple of lines to the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[01:42] <mhz_ed> untar netboot.gz (got it from web)
[01:42] <mhz_ed> restart dhcp
[01:43] <mhz_ed> place netboot extracted onto /var/lib/tftpboot/
[01:43] <mhz_ed> VERY SIMPLE and effective
[01:43] <mhz_ed> Any one living here today?
[05:05] <mhz_ed> ogra, ping
[05:08] <mhz_ed> anyone around?
[05:09] <mhz_ed> arkan0x, hey
[05:09] <arkan0x> mhz_ed, hi 
[05:10] <arkan0x> mhz_ed, pv
[05:10] <mhz_ed> pv?
[05:10] <arkan0x> mhz , mauricio hernandez !
[05:10] <arkan0x> X
[08:25] <mhz_edu> anybody here?
[08:25] <mhz_edu> ogra, ping?
[08:30] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I'm here
[08:31] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, cool
[08:32] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, sensei, I have finally installed edubuntu and also managed to netboot thin laptop in order to install linux from server
[08:32] <mhz_edu> BUT
[08:32] <mhz_edu> the laptop boots fine, it asks for keyboard, langiage,etc
[08:33] <mhz_edu> language, sorry
[08:33] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I'm not a teacher :)
[08:33] <Yagisan> go on
[08:33] <mhz_edu> when it asks to choose a mirror, I just can't get the web
[08:34] <mhz_edu> I am using a crossover to connect edubuntu with the laptop
[08:34] <mhz_edu> and edubuntu can get to the web with no problem, via my eth0
[08:34] <mhz_edu> my eth1 is for local machines
[08:34] <Yagisan> but the laptop can't connect right
[08:35] <mhz_edu> Dhcp is provinding ip via eth1, BTW.
[08:35] <mhz_edu> right
[08:35] <mhz_edu> I did a nat
[08:35] <mhz_edu> so my guess is Nat is not working propoerly or the crossover is not for web?
[08:36] <Yagisan> ok - it looks like it (edubuntu) is not forwarding the packets
[08:36] <mhz_edu> yes
[08:36] <Yagisan> crossovers don't matter
[08:36] <mhz_edu> how can I check that?
[08:36] <mhz_edu> cool
[08:36] <Yagisan> whats the ip for eth0 and eth1 ?
[08:37] <mhz_edu> eth0 -> 201.215.84.252
[08:37] <mhz_edu> eth1 -> 192.168.0.1
[08:37] <Yagisan> ok
[08:38] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I also have a Dlink router that I was using, without dhcp,  to provide web to local machines via eth1. Since I installed edubuntu, I had to use the crossover because machines did not get ips from dhcp
[08:38] <Yagisan> when you set up the nat how did you do it ?
[08:39] <mhz_edu> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[08:39] <mhz_edu> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[08:40] <Yagisan> that looks right to me so far
[08:40] <Yagisan> did you modprobe iptable_nat ?
[08:40] <Yagisan> to load the nat module for iptables ?
[08:41] <mhz_edu> another detail is that my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf has 192.168.0.1 for both router and domain-name-server
[08:41] <mhz_edu> hmmm, nop
[08:42] <mhz_edu> now, I just did
[08:42] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: is 192.168.0.1 a dns server ? (I changed that to my isp dns servers)
[08:42] <mhz_edu> nop
[08:42] <mhz_edu> good point
[08:42] <Yagisan> if it's not - then the clients are probally timing out on dns
[08:43] <Yagisan> does http://66.102.7.147 work ?
[08:46] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: working ?
[08:47] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, sorry, I had to get to the toilette :)
[08:47] <mhz_edu> .oO(almost 03:00 AM here)
[08:48] <mhz_edu> taht ip is google's
[08:48] <mhz_edu> that ip is google's
[08:50] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I know - I just pinged my home page
[08:50] <mhz_edu> hehehe
[08:50] <mhz_edu> it is working!
[08:50] <Yagisan> if it works like that - but not as http://www.google.com you have a dns problem
[08:50] <mhz_edu> ok, here's the problem
[08:51] <mhz_edu> NAT must be off when you boot the laptop and wait for ip, and all.
[08:52] <mhz_edu> after booting and entering the installation procedure, you can activate NAT in the server
[08:52] <mhz_edu> but then , in the laptop, you must go back to network autoconfig
[08:52] <mhz_edu> I was not doing that
[08:52] <mhz_edu> neither was I modprobing
[08:53] <mhz_edu> thx for that
[08:53] <Yagisan> hmm - should work with NAT on
[08:53] <Yagisan> your welcome
[08:53] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, now I am happy I finally contribute to Edubuntu docs with my 2 cents about this howto :D
[08:53] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, probably yes
[08:54] <mhz_edu> but again, I just couldn't use edubuntu dhcp server via my Dlink to the laptop
[08:54] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: good spot about my name - the dlink is a bit odd
[08:55] <mhz_edu> so there must be something else missing on this issue. Something I am not seeing
[08:55] <Yagisan> this is the same dlink you talked about yesterday with ogra ?
[08:55] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, sorry for my english so bad. I did not quite get the "good spot"
[08:56] <mhz_edu> yesp
[08:56] <mhz_edu> same thing
[08:56] <Yagisan> you noticed my name is Japanese
[08:56] <mhz_edu> so you can imagine how long I've been sitting fighting here
[08:56] <mhz_edu> yes
[08:56] <mhz_edu> oh, that
[08:56] <mhz_edu> :)
[08:57] <mhz_edu> my butt is asking for forgiveness and promises to be kind to me now
[08:57] <mhz_edu> :D
[08:57] <Yagisan> :)
[08:57] <mhz_edu> and my legs can't walk well
[08:58] <Yagisan> perhaps after you get some rest - you get some inspiration as to why the dlink won't work
[08:58] <Yagisan> is it a router or a switch ?
[08:58] <mhz_edu> and my wife is mad because I have spent at least 80 hours on this, the last 5 days
[08:58] <mhz_edu> it reads: Ethernet Broadband Router
[08:58] <Yagisan> I just told my wife it was work related
[08:58] <mhz_edu> LOL
[08:59] <mhz_edu> actually it is
[08:59] <Yagisan> (and gave her a pc)
[08:59] <mhz_edu> 'coz this is the only laptop (the one I am now installing) I have for my Edubuntu presentations
[08:59] <Yagisan> was the dlink used for ADSL ?
[08:59] <mhz_edu> was?
[09:00] <Yagisan> did you used to use / still use the dlink for an adsl connection
[09:00] <Yagisan> ?
[09:00] <mhz_edu> I have my ISP Modem (cable) connected to eth0. Eth1 is connected to the Dlink. The laptops  connect to Dlink to get internet access
[09:00] <mhz_edu> (at least that was the layout)
[09:01] <Yagisan> OK - just trying to workout how the device worked
[09:01] <Yagisan> did the dlink do nat ? or dhcp ?
[09:02] <mhz_edu> .oO(I just can't express how "deliciously pleasant" it is to format this HD in this Fujitsu thin laptop)
[09:02] <mhz_edu> no idea. I passed Iptalbes commands (the one I showed)
[09:03] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I had no laptops until I understood I did not need so much of a desktop power, so started buying 2nd hand or refurbished laptops.
[09:03] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, how old's you baby?
[09:04] <mhz_edu> this Fujitsu is 500 Mhz celeron, 256 MB ram, and 20 GB HD
[09:04] <Yagisan> one is 20 months the next one is due November 20
[09:04] <mhz_edu> and 10.4 inches :D
[09:04] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, so you've been busy
[09:04] <mhz_edu> :D
[09:04] <mhz_edu> congrats!
[09:04] <mhz_edu> mine is 4 and the other is 10
[09:05] <Yagisan> :'( not anymore - my wife is threatening in to chop it off !
[09:05] <mhz_edu> ooooops
[09:05] <mhz_edu> well, look at the good side of it.
[09:05] <mhz_edu> you'll be able to afford a laptop in a near future :D
[09:06] <Yagisan> boys or girls ? I have one girl - and I think the next one is a boy
[09:06] <Yagisan> Is this your dlink ? http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=62
[09:07] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, boy = 10 and girl =4.  Boy lives with my ex-wife, thou
[09:07] <Yagisan> hope you can see him (sometimes ex's make it hard)
[09:07] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, UNBELIEVABLE! yes, that's my router :D
[09:08] <mhz_edu> not sometimes
[09:08] <mhz_edu> Always!
[09:08] <mhz_edu> but as long as you pay constantly.. they get a little -only a little, remember they are ex- smoother
[09:09] <mhz_edu> well, a little more than a regular newbie
[09:09] <mhz_edu> just a freedom of access and technology fanatic
[09:09] <Yagisan> ok - you will have lots of trouble with the dlink :(
[09:10] <mhz_edu> boooh
[09:10] <mhz_edu> at least you may save me 80 more hours trying to make it work
[09:10] <Yagisan> it's not a regular router/switch - more like a custom nat box
[09:10] <mhz_edu> that sounded japaneese to me
[09:11] <Yagisan> a cheap 100MBps switch (about $20au) should do the job for you
[09:11] <Yagisan> Inet -> cablemodem -> edubuntu -> switch -> pc's
[09:11] <mhz_edu> hmmm, about U$30?
[09:12] <Yagisan> more like US$15
[09:12] <Yagisan> they shouldn't be too expensive
[09:12] <mhz_edu> cool
[09:13] <Yagisan> my switch http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?input[product_code] =NE-MS4008B&input[category_id] =1114
[09:13] <Yagisan> cheap, chinese, and within walking distance :)
[09:14] <mhz_edu> lol
[09:15] <Yagisan> You'll like the next version of edubuntu
[09:15] <mhz_edu> why?
[09:15] <mhz_edu> it includes TFTP booting?
[09:15] <Yagisan> I've contributed patches that let you have multiple client architectures on your server
[09:16] <Yagisan> so you can eg have i386 clients on an amd64 server
[09:16] <mhz_edu> wow! that's perfect for educational envs.
[09:16] <Yagisan> you need TFTP booting ?
[09:16] <mhz_edu> ppc, too?
[09:16] <Yagisan> working on ppc - that's a bit harder
[09:16] <Yagisan> I need qemu to work for that
[09:17] <Yagisan> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297
[09:17] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, well, in any educational environment, in Chile, boxes come and go. Teachers may have boxes at home, so may students.
[09:17] <mhz_edu> Therefore, giving the chance to install onto their pcs is cool
[09:17] <Yagisan> initial work /|\
[09:18] <Yagisan> I use rom-o-matic to build etherboot images with pxe emulation
[09:18] <mhz_edu> so, having Edubuntu at schools (LTSP) and similar boxes at home, is good. Now even better idea if from the same server you install linux
[09:19] <mhz_edu> i've heard about rom-o-matic
[09:19] <mhz_edu> but what if, in my case, I had this thin box, with no chance to boot from Cd nor Floppy
[09:20] <mhz_edu> I am currently volunteering for a prohject called RecicLab
[09:20] <Yagisan> none of my netcards have boot roms - so I went to rom-o-matic made zlilo images and put it on a hard disk in the clients
[09:20] <mhz_edu> here, we provide a computer to a young man on the conditin that he'll learn how to put together all the pieces and also install linux on it
[09:21] <Yagisan> edited grub to make netbooting default :)
[09:21] <Yagisan> cool
[09:21] <mhz_edu> wow! can you use Grub to boot an installation process from HD?
[09:21] <Yagisan> women too ?
[09:21] <mhz_edu> yes
[09:22] <Yagisan> I cheat - I do the most striped down server install on the hdd
[09:22] <mhz_edu> and these people MUST come accompained by a relative or grownup responsible for him, so tehy both must come to the 7 days sessions
[09:22] <mhz_edu> otherwise, they do not get the pc home
[09:22] <mhz_edu> :)
[09:22] <Yagisan> then I get grub to load rom-o-matic image to load kernel over the network
[09:22] <mhz_edu> not cheat, u're wise
[09:23] <mhz_edu> but how d'u do it when the pc has windows?
[09:23] <mhz_edu> and is a thin client.
[09:23] <Yagisan> .oO( glad it fit on a 257MB hard disk)
[09:24] <mhz_edu> I once installed linux from windows using a tool called Grub4NT
[09:24] <Yagisan> I remove windows - I have Ubuntu hoary cd's for each supported arch
[09:24] <Yagisan> and I keep a CDROM drive that I install just to put ubuntu on - then I take my CDROM out
[09:25] <mhz_edu> you mean, you install linux from windows onto thin clients and using a CDROM??
[09:25] <mhz_edu> (external?)
[09:26] <Yagisan> no - I pull case off - stick in cdrom - install linux (wipeing out windows)
[09:27] <Yagisan> I then copy rom-o-matic image to hard disk
[09:27] <Yagisan> edit grub, and have the system boot up
[09:27] <mhz_edu> ok
[09:27] <Yagisan> It then runs everything off the edubuntu/ltsp server
[09:28] <Yagisan> my office
[09:28] <mhz_edu> have you wikied that way?
[09:28] <Yagisan> (amd64)----->switch---(i386 box1, i386 box2, etc)
[09:28] <Yagisan> no - I haven't wikied it
[09:29] <mhz_edu> could you?
[09:29] <Yagisan> I will shortly (within a few days) - I need to clearly document it
[09:31] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, if I gave static ips to clients, would the dlink work friendly with dhcp server?
[09:31] <Yagisan> the dlink is doing some nating
[09:32] <Yagisan> it looks like it is dropping the broadcasts which is how dhcp works
[09:32] <Yagisan> dlink uses that as a primitive firewall
[09:33] <mhz_edu> :(
[09:33] <Yagisan> you will most likely need great patience - and if it's like my netcomm it won't ever work
[09:33] <mhz_edu> how can I acces to its web interface and set it to my needs?
[09:36] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: which is yours ?http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&sec=0#quickInstallGuides
[09:39] <mhz_edu> http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=62&pv=16&sec=0
[09:40] <mhz_edu> hmmm, you're thinking about firmware upgrade?
[09:41] <Yagisan> nope
[09:41] <Yagisan> can I ask you a dumb question
[09:41] <Yagisan> what ports are you plugging the cable in ?
[09:42] <Yagisan> the 4 on the left ? or the 1 on the right ?
[09:43] <Yagisan> please humor me - and try only the 4 on the left
[09:44] <mhz_edu> waht cable? the eth0 is to the Modem, and eth1 to Dlink. You want me to connect the eth1 to the 4th port to the left? left is relative.
[09:45] <Yagisan> on the back of the dlink
[09:45] <Yagisan> the are 4 ports close together
[09:46] <Yagisan> then 1 port and poer
[09:46] <Yagisan> power
[09:46] <Yagisan> the 4 ports close together are left (when looking at the back)
[09:46] <mhz_edu> ok
[09:47] <Yagisan> edubuntu eth1 to leftmost port, then you can attach 3 clients to the next 3 ports
[09:47] <Yagisan> don't use the port next to power
[09:47] <mhz_edu> but i can't right now 'coz eth1 is being used by the crossover
[09:47] <mhz_edu> LOl
[09:48] <Yagisan> later then :)
[09:48] <Yagisan> next - that dlink seems to take 192.168.0.1 by default
[09:48] <mhz_edu> duh!
[09:48] <mhz_edu> no wonder why I was having so much trouble
[09:49] <Yagisan> so - sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[09:49] <mhz_edu> and change ips
[09:49] <Yagisan> change 192.168.0.1 to something else
[09:49] <mhz_edu> can I use nano instead? :D
[09:50] <Yagisan> I use 192.168.1.1
[09:50] <Yagisan> sure
[09:50] <Yagisan> I use mcedit myself
[09:50] <mhz_edu> I'd reather use emacs thou
[09:50] <Yagisan> ok - sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf :-D
[09:50] <mhz_edu> lol
[09:50] <mhz_edu> or
[09:51] <mhz_edu> no sudo
[09:51] <Yagisan> should use sudo - that file is only editable by root
[09:51] <mhz_edu> or nohup sudo $EDITOR /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[09:52] <mhz_edu> yes, but if I have laready assigned root a password.. i can by pss sudo
[09:52] <mhz_edu> bypass
[09:52] <Yagisan> true
[09:52] <Yagisan> but then you can't copy & paste :)
[09:52] <mhz_edu> and I use sudo especially when I log in via ssh remotely 
[09:53] <mhz_edu> root is blocked for ssh
[09:53] <mhz_edu> ssh login I mean
[09:53] <Yagisan> then, sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[09:53] <Yagisan> and it should all be ok
[09:53] <mhz_edu> yes
[09:53] <Yagisan> want to see my dhcpd.conf as an example ?
[09:54] <mhz_edu> and I could finally see if that was the stupid simple issue of my dhcp server not passing through
[09:54] <mhz_edu> why not?
[09:55] <Yagisan> I suggest some tape over that last port if that works
[09:56] <mhz_edu> BTW, if i remove gdm from init.d, and I am used to login and then startx, will LDM still work fine on clients?
[09:57] <Yagisan> I'd leave gdm alone, it doesn't hurt, and any upgrade will put it back
[09:57] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, but how do I just get rid of it or block it on upgrades?
[09:58] <Yagisan> the clients don't load gdm
[09:58] <mhz_edu> I know, they load LDM
[09:58] <Yagisan> the gdm you are looking at (this is on edubuntu right ?) is the one used to log in locally to the server
[09:58] <mhz_edu> I have created .xsession and indicated to exec fluxbox. No success, it gets back to login prompt
[09:59] <mhz_edu> yes, I wanna get rid of GDM, not LDM
[09:59] <Yagisan> you need gdm on the server
[09:59] <mhz_edu> my .xsession works perfectly on the server BUT the clients
[09:59] <Yagisan> you can't use ldm for a local login on the server
[10:00] <mhz_edu> why need it?
[10:00] <mhz_edu> I know
[10:00] <mhz_edu> Login Display Manager
[10:00] <mhz_edu> LtspDisplay Manager
[10:00] <Yagisan> where is .xsession ?
[10:01] <Yagisan> $HOME/.xsession ?
[10:01] <mhz_edu> then how could i enable Fluxbox or WindowMaker or Enlightenment for Clients
[10:01] <mhz_edu> ?
[10:01] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:01] <mhz_edu> I tried to put it on /etc/X11
[10:01] <mhz_edu> I tried to put it on /etc/X11/Xsession something
[10:02] <mhz_edu> but I couldn't figure out
[10:02] <Yagisan> $HOME/.xsession is the right spot
[10:02] <mhz_edu> fluxbox runs only on server, so far.
[10:02] <Yagisan> client changes are usually in /opt/ltsp/$ARCH/etc
[10:02] <mhz_edu> hmmm
[10:03] <Yagisan> man - you should get some sleep
[10:03] <Yagisan> it's 6:03 PM here
[10:03] <mhz_edu> but fujitsu is installing vim-common
[10:04] <Yagisan> and fujitsu can keep installing while you sleep
[10:04] <mhz_edu> there was a news here in chile that Australia was looking for chilean workers
[10:05] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, yes, but it wouldn't be the same :D
[10:05] <mhz_edu> it needs its daddy
[10:06] <mhz_edu> is the news right?
[10:06] <Yagisan> really ? (they wouldn't hire the locals when I was f*cking unemployed for a few years )
[10:07] <mhz_edu> i've been unemployed for a year now
[10:07] <mhz_edu> I get some money from volunteering , ocationally
[10:07] <Yagisan> It sucks doesn't it.
[10:07] <mhz_edu> YES!
[10:07] <Yagisan> I borrowed some money from wife and her parents to start a business
[10:07] <mhz_edu> but I am very "hyper" and I am always doing something or making things happen
[10:08] <mhz_edu> e-stuff?
[10:08] <Yagisan> E-Security (professional hacker, Security Audits)
[10:09] <Yagisan> It's hard to concentrate on getting customers - and preparing for wife to give birth
[10:09] <mhz_edu> nice job
[10:09] <mhz_edu> I imagine
[10:09] <Yagisan> all the supporting family is in Japan - it's just me and my wife
[10:10] <mhz_edu> ...Being a small business ourselves, we understand that many small to medium businesses just can't dedicate the same level of resources to protect their critical IT infrastructure...
[10:10] <Yagisan> it's a challenging job
[10:10] <mhz_edu> well put
[10:10] <Yagisan> I'm not finished my website yet
[10:10] <mhz_edu> it is challenging, indeed
[10:10] <Yagisan> I had to do a restore a few days ago
[10:10] <mhz_edu> what does she do?
[10:11] <mhz_edu> did?
[10:11] <Yagisan> and I hope to finish it tonight
[10:11] <Yagisan> translation
[10:11] <Yagisan> :)
[10:11] <Yagisan> also clerical work
[10:12] <Yagisan> the site shows up for you - not glitches ?
[10:12] <Yagisan> no
[10:12] <mhz_edu> this is where I volunteer for (those are all projects I have started and now lead/motivate people to participate on) http://www.tecnocimiento.cl
[10:12] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:14] <Yagisan> you are Mauricio ?
[10:14] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:14] <Yagisan> cool
[10:15] <gand> hi all
[10:15] <Yagisan> Glday gand
[10:15] <mhz_edu> hey gand 
[10:15] <gand> I'm trying to connect via FTP, FTP service is checked inservice settings but I can't connect :)
[10:16] <gand> hi mhz_edu
[10:16] <Yagisan> ftp to what ?
[10:17] <gand> my edubuntu server is usex.homelinux.org 
[10:17] <gand> ftp to my edubuntu server
[10:17] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I usually work with a small business, aimed to Web Development (www.esfera.cl) Tecnocimiento is aimed to Education and Free Technology applied to it. One thing Esfera and Tecnocimiento do not do is e-security. Maybe we can get a little creative there, with you.
[10:17] <gand> http://usex.homelinux.org
[10:18] <gand> I'm testing some LMS as moodle. dokeos, docebo, plone
[10:18] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: certainly
[10:18] <mhz_edu> gand, hmmm, can you access via ssh?
[10:18] <gand> yes
[10:19] <Yagisan> gand: did you configure your ftp server ?
[10:19] <mhz_edu> gand, no IPtables stopping FTP?
[10:19] <gand> opp no :) how can I configure? is there a gui to do that
[10:20] <mhz_edu> gand, no idea. I have not used ftp in more than 5 years, sorry
[10:20] <Yagisan> gand: probably not, what ftp server did you install
[10:20] <mhz_edu> mee too
[10:21] <gand> the default FTP, I just see that in Service setting FTP service is checked
[10:21] <gand> Adminstration->ServiceSetting window
[10:22] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, why not using the menu bar at the righ side?
[10:22] <Yagisan> gand: that controls tftp (for booting your thin clients)
[10:22] <mhz_edu> (your site, I meant)
[10:23] <Yagisan>  mhz_edu: try our research
[10:23] <Yagisan> gand: you don't have a ftp server installed
[10:23] <Yagisan> gand: do you need ftp ?
[10:23] <gand> opps I supposed it was :) well is there a easy way to set up a FTP service tu upload file to my server
[10:24] <mhz_edu> gand, apt-cahce search ftp server
[10:24] <gand> yes I need to upload file to my server with ftp or other way, the easy way :)
[10:24] <mhz_edu> gand, apt-cache search ftp server
[10:24] <mhz_edu> ok
[10:24] <mhz_edu> Synaptic
[10:24] <gand> ok, and FTP configuration?
[10:24] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: MS IE hated my site - I had to do CSS magic on it
[10:24] <Yagisan> gand: to upload just use scp eg scp myfile.txt usex.homelinux.org:/home/gand/
[10:25] <mhz_edu> somewhere in GNOMe, there's a tool called Synaptic
[10:25] <gand> yes I use synaptic to intall software
[10:25] <mhz_edu> ok, search for a ftp server
[10:26] <Yagisan> gand: ok - just a word of warning - ftp is not secure
[10:26] <mhz_edu> gand, heve you ever edited /etc/apt/source.list?
[10:26] <gand> well now I try, If I have problems I'll be back here thanks a lot
[10:26] <Yagisan> gand: are kids going to have access to this machine ?
[10:26] <gand> yes I edited source list
[10:27] <gand> yes it will be the lms server for my school
[10:27] <mhz_edu> ok, so you have uncommented the repositories?
[10:27] <Yagisan> gand: If so - I strongly recommend not using ftp
[10:27] <gand> yes mhz_edu
[10:27] <mhz_edu> gand, FTP is one of the less secure applications/protocol
[10:28] <mhz_edu> but if you say you need it, Synaptic is your choice to look up
[10:28] <gand> yes I know, how can I upload file, with SFTP?
[10:28] <mhz_edu> hmm, I gues very similar to scp
[10:28] <Yagisan> gand: have you tried scp ?
[10:28] <gand> I know only FTP and SFTP
[10:28] <gand> scp?
[10:28] <Yagisan> gand: you know ssh ?
[10:28] <mhz_edu> scp the_file user@server:/home/user/
[10:28] <gand> yes I know ssh
[10:29] <mhz_edu> SCP is ssh to send files :)
[10:29] <Yagisan> gand: then scp is a good choice for you
[10:29] <Yagisan> gand: and it can be quicker the ftp :)
[10:29] <gand> nice, as now I'm on a macOSX box I just have to know how to work with scp
[10:30] <mhz_edu> example:    scp the_file gand@server:/home/gand/
[10:30] <mhz_edu> OSX , afaik, includes ssh
[10:30] <gand> but I have to connect via ssh before use scp command?
[10:30] <mhz_edu> and afaik, ssh includes scp
[10:30] <Yagisan> gand: no
[10:30] <gand> ok now I try :)
[10:30] <mhz_edu> gand, that's the beauty of it
[10:31] <mhz_edu> it opens a "tunnel" for just the time the file takes to get to the other side
[10:31] <gand> Well ssh to my server is Ok
[10:31] <mhz_edu> and logsout
[10:31] <mhz_edu> then scp will be fine too
[10:31] <Yagisan> gand: I use it to back up all sorts of things :) It works very well
[10:32] <mhz_edu> indeed
[10:32] <gand> now I open terminal and $ scp the_file gand@server:/home/gand/
[10:32] <gand> [10:30]  mhz_edu: OSX , afaik, includes ssh
[10:32] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:32] <gand> also to download file?
[10:32] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:32] <Yagisan> yes
[10:32] <gand> ok let me 5 mins to  try it, thanks again
[10:32] <mhz_edu> 1st... I guess you have replaced the example values, right?
[10:33] <Yagisan> scp gand@server:/home/gand/the_file ./
[10:33] <Yagisan> :)
[10:33] <mhz_edu> gand, to download you use scp from the server to you
[10:33] <gand> yes mhz
[10:33] <gand> right to download ssh to server before and the scp, cool :)
[10:34] <gand> the/then
[10:34] <mhz_edu> or, Yagisan has a simple way
[10:34] <mhz_edu> Yagisan scp gand@server:/home/gand/the_file ./
[10:34] <Yagisan> brb - getting a coffee. mdz_edu: your wife will kill you
[10:34] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I am already dead
[10:34] <mhz_edu> :D
[10:38] <gand> HI nice it work the first attempt THANKS A LOT
[10:38] <mhz_edu> np
[10:38] <mhz_edu> whenever it is possible... we help
[10:38] <gand> now a complete tutorial on moodle is up to my server :)
[10:38] <gand> just one more think
[10:38] <mhz_edu> educool!
[10:39] <mhz_edu> shoot
[10:40] <gand> can I use scp + sudo to upload file in folder where I haven ot permission?
[10:40] <mhz_edu> hmm
[10:41] <gand> :)
[10:41] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:41] <mhz_edu> 'coz scp asks for password
[10:42] <gand> In deep, I'm an OSX user and when I drag a file to copy it in a "closed" folder, a window ask me autentication, I insert user/pw and copy is done
[10:42] <mhz_edu> maybe, there's a setting you can do in the "receiver" so once it accepts a file, it turns the authentification into sudo process
[10:43] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, LOL
[10:43] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, hurry, please I have a question
[10:43] <mhz_edu> :)
[10:43] <mhz_edu> gand, but I doubt it is possible
[10:43] <gand> on gnome/Edubuntu as GDM  run as admin user and not as root I've tu use terminal to copy and remove file from root folder
[10:45] <gand> I wonder if there is a way to cp/rm file from "root owned folder" via gnome
[10:45] <mhz_edu> yes
[10:45] <gand> how? :)
[10:45] <mhz_edu> ina terminal, run $ sudo passwd
[10:45] <mhz_edu> enter user password
[10:46] <mhz_edu> and then create root passwprd
[10:46] <mhz_edu> once created, do: $ su -
[10:46] <mhz_edu> login as root
[10:47] <gand> you mean logout from gdm admin and login on gdm as admin?
[10:47] <mhz_edu> and from the terminal, do for exapmle: $ galeon
[10:47] <mhz_edu> nop
[10:47] <mhz_edu> all in same terminal window
[10:47] <mhz_edu> do it asn u'll see
[10:48] <gand> well in this way root is enabled, ok
[10:48] <mhz_edu> basically, you'll call GUI programs from root, and hence, all is permission open
[10:49] <mhz_edu> did you understand? if not ask me again, no problem
[10:49] <gand> I understand, with $ su - gdm run as root?
[10:49] <mhz_edu> hhhmmmm nop
[10:49] <mhz_edu> $ su -
[10:50] <mhz_edu> in a  terminal, you will become root. Being root, and calling programs from the terminal, those applications will have no restrictions
[10:51] <mhz_edu> but if you call a program from Menu, then the applications remains restricted
[10:52] <mhz_edu> would you like to go step by step?
[10:52] <gand> the problem now is that I'm on my server via VNC through ssh tunnel, If I log out from my "admin" user, vnc server will close and I'll can't connect later
[10:53] <mhz_edu> do not log out.
[10:53] <mhz_edu> follow me..
[10:53] <mhz_edu> you are "user" on ssh, right?
[10:54] <gand> so I wonder if, after setting root pw, I can run Gnome to drag/drop/copy/remove "Root folder"
[10:54] <mhz_edu> yes, if you follow me
[10:54] <gand> yes and also I've a vnc window open and I can see my gnome screen
[10:54] <mhz_edu> let's do it together
[10:54] <gand> ok 
[10:55] <mhz_edu> in a terminal, you are logged in as user?
[10:55] <gand> yes ok I'm there
[10:56] <mhz_edu> ok, type:  sudo passwd
[10:56] <gand> gand@edubuntu:~$
[10:56] <mhz_edu> enter gand's password
[10:56] <mhz_edu> and now enter new Root password
[10:56] <mhz_edu> (twice)
[10:57] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, welcome back after ffeding the princess
[10:57] <mhz_edu> gand, could you set root password?
[10:57] <Yagisan> agghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[10:57] <gand> It ask me: Enter new UNIX password:
[10:57] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, what?
[10:57] <Yagisan> root - did I just see log in as root ????
[10:57] <mhz_edu> gand, yes, enter the password you want to assign to root
[10:58] <gand> not my gand pw
[10:58] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, yes
[10:58] <gand> new root pw ok
[10:58] <mhz_edu> gand, nop. Now you are assigning root password
[10:58] <Yagisan> why not just ssh + sudo su ?
[10:58] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, dunno. He asks me, so i explain to him
[10:59] <mhz_edu> gand, now..
[10:59] <gand> Yagisan I ask mhz how can I use gnome to to drag/drop/copy/remove some "Root ownad folder"
[10:59] <mhz_edu> type:  su -
[10:59] <gand> mhz wait a minute
[10:59] <mhz_edu> and enter the root password
[10:59] <mhz_edu> gand, remember we are stillon the same terminal
[11:00] <gand> ok: passwd: password updated successfully
[11:00] <gand> ok root@edubuntu:~#
[11:00] <mhz_edu> perfect
[11:01] <mhz_edu> now, what file browser do you use in gnome?
[11:01] <mhz_edu> (to copy and paste)
[11:01] <Yagisan> gand, mhz_edu: please wait a sec
[11:01] <mhz_edu> ok
[11:02] <Yagisan> gand, mhz_edu: what gand wants to do is copy a file, then move it to a root owned directory right ?
[11:02] <mhz_edu> yes, but GUI like
[11:02] <Yagisan> ok
[11:02] <gand> yes gui like
[11:02] <Yagisan> first scp to a directory you can write too
[11:03] <Yagisan> next ssh to server
[11:03] <mhz_edu> and do sudo there?
[11:03] <Yagisan> then sudo nautilus
[11:03] <Yagisan> then move to where it should go
[11:03] <Yagisan> :)
[11:03] <Yagisan> gui way
[11:03] <mhz_edu> can you sudo nautilus???
[11:03] <Yagisan> yes
[11:03] <mhz_edu> just like that?
[11:04] <mhz_edu> 'sudo nautilus'
[11:04] <gand> ok
[11:04] <Yagisan> should do
[11:04] <mhz_edu> no other command need?
[11:04] <Yagisan> not that I can think of
[11:04] <mhz_edu> it will open nautilus?
[11:04] <Yagisan> assuming X display is forwarded - yes
[11:05] <Yagisan> gand: please try it
[11:05] <mhz_edu> but isn't the syntax 'sudo command something'?
[11:05] <Yagisan> just sudo command works for most gui apps
[11:05] <gand> an now how can "delete" root password?
[11:05] <gand> $ sudo nautilus
[11:05] <gand> (nautilus:17818): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 
[11:06] <Yagisan> gand: (nautilus:17818): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display means we need X11 display forwarding setup
[11:06] <gand> sorry How can I do that?
[11:06] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, once I successfully netbooted the client and network was autodetected in the clients side, was there any chance I could have used the PCMCIA CD drive to install everything from CD instead of net??
[11:07] <mhz_edu> gand, you are root now, right? can you just type nautilus?
[11:07] <Yagisan> gand:   'sudo passwd -l root' will lock the rook account for you
[11:08] <gand> ok I'll lock root account
[11:08] <gand> later
[11:09] <gand> I type nautilus as root but again (nautilus:17864): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:09] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: slim chance - depends on the drivers and if the could autodetect it
[11:09] <Yagisan> catch you later gand
[11:09] <gand> ok thank
[11:09] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I have successfully install Ubuntu 'server' method. Now i would like to show off with an Edubuntu installation, so I can demo it from a laptop (the one I'll be using on presentations).
[11:10] <mhz_edu> gand, hmm, it seems X11 needs to be set to allow you to do that
[11:10] <Yagisan> gand: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/X11_Forwarding.html
[11:10] <gand> I read thank
[11:10] <mhz_edu> gand, that's what you need
[11:11] <mhz_edu> Yagisan forwarding gand to read on forwarding X11 :D
[11:12] <gand> I hope not to re- compile SSH :)
[11:12] <Yagisan> gand: this might be better http://www.cs.uwaterloo.ca/cscf/howto/ssh/ForwardX11.shtml
[11:12] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, you need a Moin wiki for your site, especially if you'll have important documentation and news.
[11:13] <Yagisan> gand: basically ssh -Y your_server_here
[11:13] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I understand the driver thing.
[11:13] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: yes - but that is proof of concept - notice the redirect ?
[11:13] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, what If I wanted to tell grub to boot from PCMCIA CD ?
[11:13] <gand> I read: ssh -X <hostname>
[11:14] <Yagisan> gand:  With versions 3.8 and above, you may need to use the -Y option instead of -X
[11:14] <mhz_edu> gand, ssh -X gand@server
[11:14] <gand> ok
[11:14] <mhz_edu> gand, ssh -Y gand@server
[11:14] <mhz_edu> :D
[11:14] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: I don't think it can be done (yet)
[11:14] <mhz_edu> just like ssh or scp :)
[11:16] <gand> sorry "ssh -Y gand@edubuntu" or "ssh -Y edubuntu"
[11:16] <mhz_edu> 1st
[11:17] <mhz_edu> the same server you used to ssh ok
[11:17] <gand> ok
[11:17] <gand> so:
[11:18] <gand>  1) ssh gand@myserver
[11:18] <gand> 2) ssh -Y gand@edubuntu
[11:18] <mhz_edu> nop
[11:18] <Yagisan> 1) ssh -Y gand@myserver
[11:18] <mhz_edu> just 2)
[11:18] <gand> 3) sudo nautilus
[11:18] <Yagisan> 2), then 3)
[11:18] <mhz_edu> yes, no 1)
[11:18] <mhz_edu> :D
[11:22] <gand> http://pastebin.com/387869
[11:22] <gand> gand is kandinsky and server is moodle.sky.mi.it
[11:23] <gand> (nautilus:18057): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: 
[11:23] <mhz_edu> boooh
[11:23] <mhz_edu> then I have no clue
[11:23] <Yagisan> try ssh -X instead
[11:23] <mhz_edu> why not doing this rm.mv or cp via command line
[11:25] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, in older PowerBooks (ppc), you may not boot any other OS different form Apple's. So , you had a bootloader. You places vmlinuz and initrd.gz onto the HD , booted and inserted a the other OS   CD.
[11:25] <gand> same error with -X
[11:26] <Yagisan> gand: you need to edit some ssh configuration files
[11:26] <Yagisan> gand: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#2.7
[11:26] <mhz_edu> gand, for your own sanity, I reccomend you to learn MV, CP and RM  to work from the commnad line. It's faster (lot), simple, and secure
[11:27] <Yagisan> gand: and if you need a file manager - 'apt-get install mc' on the server for a decent command line file manager
[11:28] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I am about falling asleep
[11:28] <gand> more tools we have, better is :) thanks
[11:28] <mhz_edu> Yagisan, I am about to be killed, in other words :D
[11:28] <gand> just sunday 11.30 AM here
[11:29] <gand> Milan Italy :)
[11:29] <mhz_edu> hehehe, 06:30
[11:29] <mhz_edu> am
[11:29] <mhz_edu> here
[11:29] <mhz_edu> mamma mia!
[11:29] <Yagisan> 7:30 pm here
[11:29] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: Don't die! I see a potential customer :-D
[11:29] <mhz_edu> lol
[11:30] <mhz_edu> so, any ideas on how to install edubuntu now that I have a thin linux box
[11:30] <mhz_edu> ?
[11:30] <mhz_edu> Grub + ?
[11:30] <mhz_edu> Grub + initrd.gz + linux file?
[11:31] <mhz_edu> and that will boot to what? a PCMCIA cd?
[11:31] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: you have ppc ?
[11:31] <mhz_edu> I had
[11:31] <mhz_edu> I have, but needs some parts
[11:32] <Yagisan> ok - what is your thin linux box ?
[11:32] <mhz_edu> Fujitsu b2175
[11:32] <Yagisan> I though you had edubuntu set up ?
[11:32] <mhz_edu> lifebooh
[11:32] <mhz_edu> lifebook
[11:33] <mhz_edu> I have: Celeron 700 Mhz + 128 RAM (desktop) and Fujitsu
[11:33] <mhz_edu> My wife has another laptop: Compaq M300
[11:33] <Yagisan> you want to take the fujitsu to demo right ?
[11:33] <mhz_edu> both laptops boot PXE
[11:33] <mhz_edu> yes
[11:34] <mhz_edu> I have already sheduled 9 demos
[11:34] <Yagisan> so - the fujitsu should be a server ?
[11:34] <mhz_edu> yes
[11:34] <mhz_edu> and it has 2 ethX so far
[11:34] <Yagisan> are there already pc's where you are going ?
[11:34] <mhz_edu> yes, and no.
[11:35] <Yagisan> ok - heres what I think you should do
[11:35] <Yagisan> we should install an edubuntu server on your laptop
[11:35] <Yagisan> we will adjust the dhcpd.conf for a different range
[11:36] <Yagisan> eg 192.168.45.0
[11:36] <Yagisan> we will then make several rom-o-matic bootable cd images, and bootable floppy images
[11:36] <Yagisan> covering the most common net cards
[11:37] <mhz_edu> ah, for the other pc's you mean?
[11:37] <mhz_edu> !
[11:37] <Yagisan> yes
[11:37] <Yagisan> we plug you laptop in - boot it
[11:37] <Yagisan> then we boot the other pc's off floppys and cd's for proof of concept
[11:37] <mhz_edu> and the laptops will provide edubuntu to the other pcs! that's the idea!
[11:38] <Yagisan> you get on average 15 clients on 100Mbs
[11:38] <mhz_edu> my demos will/should be 3-5 clients tops
[11:38] <Yagisan> how much ram does the laptop have ?
[11:38] <mhz_edu> 256
[11:39] <mhz_edu> and is 500 MHz "celeron" :(
[11:39] <mhz_edu> but it has touchscreen!!! :D
[11:39] <mhz_edu> I also have: 1 USB floppy drive and 1 PCMCIA CD drive
[11:39] <Yagisan> that should be ok for 1-3 clients (depening on what you load) - can stretch to 5
[11:39] <Yagisan> depending
[11:40] <mhz_edu> yes, hence I am trying to test fluxbos and windowmaker
[11:40] <Yagisan> I'd use icewm myself
[11:40] <mhz_edu> well, we can include it :)
[11:40] <Yagisan> (windows users feel more comfatable)
[11:40] <Yagisan> comfortable 
[11:40] <mhz_edu> the idea is to show off as much as possible. even KDe :)
[11:41] <mhz_edu> but Many of the clients I'd be using are 64-128 MB ram average
[11:41] <mhz_edu> 400-700 MHz
[11:41] <Yagisan> sorry mhz_edu, 500MHz is not enough for KDE
[11:41] <Yagisan> the server needs as much RAM as it can get
[11:42] <mhz_edu> I have used it but you're rght
[11:42] <Yagisan> all my clients are 64MB
[11:42] <Yagisan> my server however is 1.5GB
[11:42] <mhz_edu> wow!
[11:42] <Yagisan> (all slots full :( )
[11:42] <mhz_edu> hehehe
[11:43] <mhz_edu> so, you say this laptop can have edubuntu
[11:43] <Yagisan> yes
[11:43] <mhz_edu> booting from?
[11:43] <Yagisan> boot the laptop from the hard disk
[11:44] <Yagisan> it will be the server
[11:44] <mhz_edu> yes
[11:44] <Yagisan> we will use the demo peoples computers as clients
[11:44] <mhz_edu> but how do i boot it in order to install edubuntu on it?
[11:44] <mhz_edu> :D
[11:44] <Yagisan> just a moment
[11:45] <Yagisan> do you have a 2.5" laptop hard drive adaptor ?
[11:45] <mhz_edu> nop
[11:45] <mhz_edu> otherwise I would have used it 80 hours ago :D
[11:45] <Yagisan> what media does the lifebook boot from
[11:45] <Yagisan> ?
[11:46] <mhz_edu> hd and PXE
[11:47] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: just checking an idea
[11:47] <mhz_edu> booting Grub to get initrd.gz and then point it to PCMCIA CD would be cool!
[11:48] <mhz_edu> my internet speed is not "speedy"
[11:48] <mhz_edu> so from internet it would take 6 hours
[11:48] <mhz_edu> or more
[11:51] <Yagisan> be back soon - dinner.
[12:05] <gand> I get it sorry :
[12:06] <mhz_edu> ?
[12:06] <mhz_edu> sorry?
[12:06] <gand> I just type sudo nautilus on terminal window locally on my server (via vnc) and my gnome now run as root
[12:07] <gand> if I type sudo nautilus from psx teminal remotely from my ibook i got Gtk warning etc
[12:07] <gand> psx/osx
[12:09] <gand> so $ sudo nautilus I can manage root's files and folders cp/rm using gnome :)
[12:18] <mhz_edu> i'm glad you worked it our
[12:47] <Yagisan> back again
[12:48] <Yagisan> mhz_edu: your laptop - are you sue it doesn't boot from cd ?
[12:49] <Yagisan> s/sue/sure
[01:55] <mhz> re
[02:24] <Yagisan> well that was traumatic, princesses nappy failed spectacularly
[02:25] <Yagisan> mhz: wb
[02:26] <Yagisan> lucasvo: lts.conf does work - but not all of it it seems
[02:27] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I can get MODULE_01 to work - but thats about it at the moment
[02:55] <lucasvo> Yagisan: what do you mean?
[02:58] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I mean that I can get the option MODULE_01 to work in lts.conf, but none of the other options I've tried
[02:58] <lucasvo> Yagisan: that's strange 
[02:58] <lucasvo> why?
[02:59] <Yagisan> no idea
[02:59] <Yagisan> I'll do more testing a bit later
[03:00] <Yagisan> first I want to get powerpc clients running on and amd64 server
[03:42] <Yagisan> bye all
[06:36] <fersfeir> hi, i try to build with jigdo an iso image, but i can't :-(
[06:36] <fersfeir> --13:37:34--  http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/libpq4_8.0.3-15ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:36] <fersfeir>            => `breezy-install-i386.iso.tmpdir/releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.0/libpq4_8.0.3-15ubuntu1_i386.deb'
[06:36] <fersfeir> Reusing existing connection to releases.ubuntu.com:80.
[06:36] <fersfeir> Peticin HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 404 Not Found
[06:36] <fersfeir> 13:37:34 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[06:37] <fersfeir> know another mirrot to try?
[06:43] <fersfeir> well... :'( download a complete iso.... thanks also
[08:41] <mhz> arkan0x, estoy en almuerzo recien
[08:41] <mhz> arkan0x, estaras mas rato?
[10:34] <mhz_almuerzo> re
[10:39] <mhz> arkan0x, ping?
[10:45] <arkan0x> mhz, ! ping 
[10:51] <mhz> hey, arkan0x 
[10:51] <mhz> arkan0x, como esta el toshiba? tiene nombre?