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pefRiddell: http://download.gna.org/kvpnc/kvpnc_0.8-1_ubuntu-5.10_i386.deb does this package it crash for you too ?12:04
Riddellpef: yep12:05
jmgi am looking for a good color scheme that is halfway between light and dark12:08
jmgthat looks good against a dark background and white on black for konsole/kate12:08
jmgbut doesnt make my head explode browsing a webpage that is black on white12:09
jmgalso is there a way to change backgrounds in kcontrol/konqueror homepage?12:09
jmgRiddell: also system settings is horribly broken for 1024x76812:10
jmgi assume you already know that12:10
jmgand its being fixed for release?12:10
jmg"upstream" :)?12:10
Riddelljmg: I do know, too late to fix unfortunatly.  it's a general KDE problem (which system settings makes more prominant)12:11
jmgRiddell: horribly broken meaning that it doesnt size for 1024x768 and you cant see the bottom stuff12:11
Riddelljmg: alt+click drag is your friend12:11
jmgRiddell: i agree these days kde is focused on very high resolution workstations (1600x1200) but that doesnt mean it should be broken for 1024x76812:12
jmgRiddell: fixed in 3.4.3? :)12:12
jmgRiddell: its ok, i dont like system settings anyway hides too many options12:13
jmgi use icon mode kcontrol12:13
Riddellhow does kcontrol have less options?12:14
Riddellit just makes them harder to find12:14
jmgkcontrol has more options12:14
jmgsystem settings makes them hard to find12:14
jmgand hides some menus altogether12:14
apokryphosI find that things in systemsettings are easier to find, but the fact that they're not all there doesn't help at all12:15
Riddellwhich modules do you miss?12:15
jmgRiddell: also what is the fat bar in the kubuntu splash supposed to have in it?12:16
Riddelljmg: it's a mystery :)12:16
jmgRiddell: a surprise?12:16
jmgRiddell: a snow badger?12:16
Riddellthe artist put it there to have "breezy badger" or something in it but we can't put text in a splash screen as no i18n12:17
jmgRiddell: sad12:17
jmgRiddell: then the splash could be edited to not have it12:17
apokryphosRiddell: file associations and component chooser for example12:19
Riddellapokryphos: file associations are in konqueror12:22
apokryphosthey're there too, I know12:22
Riddellwhoever named component chooser was evil12:23
Riddellit's in User Account under Default Application12:24
apokryphosa-ha12:25
apokryphosjust in case you didn't notice the note some time ago, suse 10 does indeed use a kdm theme with userlist12:26
Riddellapokryphos: hmm, any ideas how?12:27
RiddellI think they patch it12:28
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apokryphoshttp://giannaros.org/SUSE/12:29
apokryphosI know the screenshot doesn't show a userlist, but... *shrug*12:31
Riddellapokryphos: have you tried that theme on kubuntu?12:33
apokryphosnope12:33
apokryphosworth doing, I guess12:33
Riddelluh oh12:34
_verwilsthellow guys12:38
jmgso what is with 1024x768 then are we second class citizens12:40
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_verwilstRiddell: think i'm gonna compile something12:41
_verwilstRiddell: kdenetwork i think12:41
Tm_Tjmg: yes! ] ;=12:41
Riddell_verwilst: which version12:41
Riddell?12:41
apokryphosit does indeed have a clickable userlist, but not quite as suse has it... wait, I'll upload a screeny12:41
Riddelltesting 3.4.3 packages would be the most useful12:41
jmgTm_T: but my laptop is 1024x768!!!! do i have to run xfce or what12:41
Tm_Tno12:41
Tm_Tjmg: and don't take me too seriously ;)12:42
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=== Tm_T has only 1400x1050
Tm_Ttoo small :/12:42
apokryphoshttp://giannaros.org/snapshot1.png12:42
jmgRiddell" snapshot?12:42
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_verwilstRiddell: 3.512:43
jmgRiddell: i found it really hard on defaults12:43
jmgRiddell12:43
Riddellapokryphos: yeah, so they have their own patches for it12:43
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Riddellapokryphos: thanks for testing12:43
jmgRiddell: still looking for nice colors12:43
jmg_verwilst: 17" laptopm12:43
jmg-m12:43
Riddelljmg: what problems are there besides systemsettings?12:44
jmgRiddell: gets cluttered easily12:44
jmgRiddell: double height taskbar + default style12:44
jmg= not much real estate to start with12:44
Riddellsame as any other desktop12:44
_verwilstRiddell: i really want kde 3.5 packages :d12:45
_verwilstthat way they'll be really stable when dapper hits ;)12:45
jmgRiddell: huh?12:45
jmg_verwilst: there are 3.5b1 packages...12:45
jmgwait is 3.5 out???? 12:45
_verwilsti'm talking about b1 :p12:46
Riddell3.5 is not out12:46
jmgRiddell: you obviously havent used blackbox12:46
jmg:)12:46
_verwilstthere are only packages up to kdebase12:46
jmgor evil >:)12:46
jmg_verwilst: that is true12:46
jmg_verwilst: i downgraded from b112:46
jmg_verwilst: too buggy12:46
_verwilstisn't buggy here :p12:46
_verwilstbut b1 debs are easy to rebuild to b212:47
_verwilstso the more we have of those, the faster we'll have b2 ;)12:47
RiddellseaLne: about?12:47
_verwilsti was going to compile in a vmware session12:48
_verwilstbut my ubuntu doesn't boot in thta12:48
_verwilstthat12:48
seaLneRiddell: yeah12:49
RiddellseaLne: I've got a new kde/ruby package, would you be able to test?12:50
seaLnesure not tonight tho as i'm about to go to bed12:50
Riddellok12:50
seaLnethat ok?12:50
Riddellwell if it doesn't work I'll blame you :)12:51
seaLnebah12:51
seaLnei seem to have bad effect on packages just before releases, i got autopsy kicked out of sarge :(12:52
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pefRiddell: corrected kvpnc bug :)01:30
pefqt doc is _very_ good oO01:31
Riddellpef: what was up?01:31
pefQString logfileName = logfileName;01:31
Riddellnasty01:33
Riddellwell done01:33
jmghmm, kde *still* doesnt have a qt emacs01:34
jmggood thing kate is better then, isn't it? :)01:35
pefRiddell: QString foo, foo += "toto" is bad, right ? Can I replace this with foo.append("toto") ?01:36
Riddellpef: why is it bad?01:37
pefRiddell: not bad, sorry, but not deprecated ?01:37
Riddellpef: no, they are exactly the same01:40
jmgpef: you and i are both kvpnc bug stompers :)01:40
pef:)01:40
pefjmg: and I'm the maintainer of kvpnc, so i must try to find the problem to get this package into Breezy :] 01:41
pefRiddell: already corrected http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/kvpnc/src/kvpncconfig.cpp.diff?r1=1.22;r2=1.23;cvsroot=kvpnc01:42
pefarg01:42
peftoo late :D01:42
RiddellQString logfileName = QString(logfileName+ "/kvpnc/kvpnc.log");01:45
Riddellthat is still evil01:45
pefsecond line should be commented out ?01:46
peflogfileName is redefined, am I right ?01:46
Riddellthere are two logfileNames there01:46
Riddelldon't give two variables the same name, that's crazy01:46
jmgthat's evil01:46
pefkvpnc c++ code isn't very clean, isn't it ?01:47
jmganyone use evolution under kde?01:48
jmgkontact is a steaming pile01:48
jmgsomeone should port evo to qt, and then kill korganiser/kmail/kontact01:49
pefRiddell: ping02:01
Riddellpef: hi02:02
pef:D02:02
pefwhat do you think about this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/289802:02
Riddellpef: if it fixes it great, but thrack upstread for using two variables with the same name02:04
pefRiddell: will do it right now 02:04
pefRiddell: and the fix and the cvs commit http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/kvpnc/src/kvpncconfig.cpp.diff?r1=1.22;r2=1.23;cvsroot=kvpnc still makes a crash02:04
pefstrange they commit something wrong02:05
Riddellpef: I'm busy with kde 3.4.3, can't compile much just now02:05
pefRiddell: ohh, sorry ;)02:06
Riddellbut if it breaks for you then that's not really good enough :)02:07
Riddelljust rename one of the variables02:07
Riddellah wait, you did02:07
pefyes02:09
jmgRiddell: is there a build farm somewhere?02:12
jmgRiddell: my laptop cant compile kdepim without burning out02:13
Riddelljmg: no02:15
jmg:(02:17
pefRiddell: how should I report this into debian/changelog ? *FTBS: patch foo.diff for example ?02:19
Riddellpef: just say "Added patch kubuntu_01_fix_duplicate_variable_crash.diff fix crash caused by duplicate variable name use"02:22
pefok, thank you :)02:22
pefRiddell: is there conventions about patchs filenames ? like forbidden characters, max filename lenght, etc02:27
Riddellpef: your patch fixes the crash02:28
Riddellno max langth, I prefix with kubuntu_ to make it clear to debian packagers (and me) where it comes from02:28
Riddella number is useful too02:28
pefok02:29
pefRiddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=75302:53
pefso02:53
pef2am here, bed calls me :)02:53
pefbye !02:53
Riddellpef: excellent02:53
Riddellsleep well02:53
pefthank you Riddell 02:53
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Riddellseth_k|lappy: want to test kde 3.4.3 for me?03:13
Riddelldeb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343 breezy main03:13
seth_k|lappyRiddell, I'm already using 3.5b1 :/03:13
Riddellbah, that's no use03:14
Tm_Tsame here :/03:15
seth_k|lappywe are just a pair of useless folks Tm_T :P03:15
Tm_TI'm more useless than you03:16
Tm_TMtallica - Better Than You03:16
Tm_T;)03:16
jmgwhy is ooo so slow03:20
jmgRiddell: how much 3.4.3 has been done?03:20
Riddelljmg: all but kde i18n03:20
jmgRiddell: nice work03:20
jmgRiddell: updating now03:21
Riddellcool03:21
jmghehe03:22
jmgdoes kde have any kind of network personality support?03:22
jmgi am plugged into this network use this setting?03:22
jmgi want to mount some shares/launch apps on startup based on what network im using03:23
Riddellnot really03:23
jmgand also set proxy settings03:23
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jmgsomething for dapper03:23
jmgbut i will slap one together in kommander and python03:24
jmgif only wpa worked on my minipci card03:24
jmgstupid lucent03:24
jmgbug for kdesu isnt kdesu supposed to use my widget settings or special rooty widgets?03:28
jmgnot /default/ widgets?03:28
jmgi assume its reading roots .kde03:28
jmgRiddell: how many patches survived?04:09
Riddelljmg: survived what?04:10
jmg3.4.304:13
jmgRiddell: how many dpatches still applied04:13
Riddellalmost all04:13
jmgi dunno whether thats good or bad04:14
Riddellthere's not been much done to kde in 3.4.3 really, what with two other branches being open04:14
Riddellby the tiem you get to .3 it's mostly i18n is the difference04:14
jmgyeah04:15
jmgok im gonna write network personality support in kommander04:16
jmgbecause lack of it pissed me off04:20
jmghmm04:41
jmgkommando is cool but it needs to be a proper hotbox04:41
Riddellkommando?04:43
Riddellhotbox?04:43
jmgRiddell: the hotbox is a way of controlling Maya04:44
Riddellmaya?04:44
jmgRiddell: kommando is an app on kde-apps.org04:44
jmgmaya is a commercial 3d product04:44
jmgRiddell: also battlefield 2 uses hotbox style menus04:46
jmgRiddell: press a button and it appears on your view, mouve mouse in that direction04:46
jmgand it takes selected action when you release04:47
jmgreally cool way of doing things04:53
jmgok 04:53
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N17R0please Devels, fix that kdesu bug :] 05:01
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jmghave to try building kdepim on the a64 at work08:34
jmga64 == fast compile 08:34
jmg:}08:34
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pefhello09:50
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tvoarg, 8674 reopened, let's see...10:26
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seaLneweird i dist-upgraded, then logged out and my screen went blank and i couldn't even switch to a console, the monitor was indicating no signal, had to press the reset button11:03
pefseaLne: closed source nvidia drivers ?11:25
seaLneno11:29
seaLnematrox g55011:29
seaLneno kernel change11:29
seaLnei presume it was the xorg upgrade previously that took affect when i restarted X, everything was fine after the reboot, *shrug*11:30
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seaLneanyone else got a Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list02:00
seaLnekubuntu-devel that was already on it?02:00
RiddellseaLne: nope02:10
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_verwilstok, gonna package kdenetwork 3.5b102:21
Tm_T_verwilst: :)02:22
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_verwilstoops l:)02:58
_verwilst :)02:58
_verwilsthrm, lots of patches fail, wrt autotools and stuffs :$02:59
_verwilstdebian/patches/common/03_libtool_update.diff, debian/patches/common/02_autotools_update.diff, ...02:59
_verwilstRiddell: is it ok for those to be removed,02:59
_verwilst?02:59
_verwilstRiddell: and about 08_disable-visibility.diff03:00
_verwilstwe're using gcc 4.0.x for breezy.. can't we enable visibility?03:00
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m_tadeuhi everyone03:04
Tm_Thi03:04
m_tadeuif i want to generate a package, how can i do it?03:05
Tm_Thttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages ?03:05
Tm_TI'm not sure if there's all03:05
m_tadeuyep...03:05
Tm_Tanyway, gotta go ->03:06
m_tadeuwhat it the DebootstrapChroot03:08
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_verwilstm_tadeu: i'm doing kdenetwork 3.5b1 now03:13
m_tadeui was thinking about kopete03:16
m_tadeustill reading instructions03:16
m_tadeuthe kdelibs and kdebase I hsvs to install are binaries or source?03:19
_verwilstm_tadeu: kopete is a part of kdenetwork :p03:28
_verwilstm_tadeu: building packages isn't that easy03:29
m_tadeulol you're right :P03:29
m_tadeuand yes not easy in deed03:29
m_tadeulots of new concepts here03:29
_verwilsthehe03:30
_verwilstbut my kdenetwork is compiling03:31
_verwilstif everything goes well, i should have kdenetwork deb's for breezy very soon03:31
_verwilstoh compilation error03:35
_verwilstmissing dep ;)03:35
m_tadeuthat would be cool...i'm willing to try the new kopete03:35
_verwilstrebuilding :p03:35
m_tadeulol03:35
m_tadeuif you need testing... :P03:36
_verwilsti will need it soon i hope ;)03:38
m_tadeu_verwilst: need any help with it?03:47
_verwilstnot right now03:47
_verwilstit's just compiling03:47
_verwilstunless you can ship an X2 processor to me, there's nothing much you can do :p03:48
m_tadeulolool got the same problem here... PIII 50003:48
Tm_Tuuh03:49
Tm_TKopete <303:49
Tm_T_verwilst: kdenetwork package under work?03:49
_verwilstsay what? :p03:50
Tm_T:)03:50
_verwilstwell i have very nice hardware03:50
Tm_Tok, have to kill this pain ->03:50
_verwilstbut i bought an AMD64 3000+ since that's the cheapest cpu with a 939 socket03:51
_verwilstso i can just replace the cpu with an X2 as soon as the prices are a little bit more human :)03:51
m_tadeuI have to gather som will ( $$$ ) and buy a new pc too...this one is getting on my nerves03:52
_verwilsthehe03:53
_verwilstbe sure to get an AMD ;)03:53
_verwilstthey rule03:53
m_tadeulol, i know :P aiming for one03:54
m_tadeudual core, maybe ;)03:54
_verwilstwell yeah03:55
_verwilstthat's my aim too03:55
_verwilstbut a 3000 will do fine until the prices drop enough03:55
m_tadeuafter xmas03:55
Lathiatmmm, kubuntu in breezy is shiny03:56
Lathiatmight have a convert of me yet03:57
m_tadeua dual core is still costing about 370?03:58
_verwilstfor the cheapest one yeah03:59
_verwilstinstalling03:59
_verwilstman i love amd64 :p04:00
_verwilst[15:35]  <_verwilst> rebuilding :p04:00
_verwilst25 mins to compile kdenetwork :d04:00
m_tadeulolol last time it took me 3 hours04:00
_verwilstnooo04:01
_verwilstdh_install -pkdict04:01
_verwilstcp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/apps/kdict.png': Onbekend bestand of map04:01
_verwilstdh_install: command returned error code 25604:01
_verwilstmake: *** [binary-install/kdict]  Fout 104:01
_verwilstdamned04:01
m_tadeuthose errors.....04:04
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m_tadeuit compiled ok?04:15
Lathiathrm, 'Adept Manager' should be 'Adept Package Manager'04:18
Lathiatalso startup notification doesnt appear to work04:18
Tm_Thm, in my Kmenu adept is in 3 different places04:18
_verwilstm_tadeu: yeah, it's just the *.install files that need adjusting04:22
m_tadeusounds like its almost done ;)04:22
m_tadeu_verwilst: any luck with those .install's?05:14
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_verwilsthad to go to my girl :d07:00
_verwilstbut i'm back07:00
m_tadeulol07:01
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_verwilstbusy on it again ;)07:12
_verwilstbut in the meantime, food07:12
m_tadeuyap got that right07:23
m_tadeutell me if I can help on anything07:23
m_tadeuwell dinner time....be back latter08:02
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seth_k|lappyRiddell, why does kubuntu-desktop dep on hplip & hpijs ? Is the name deceiving and it's not just for HP printers?08:07
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_verwilstw00t09:24
_verwilstdone09:24
_verwilstwell, kinda :p09:39
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Tm_T0.10.93 here09:53
Tm_Tlatest 3.5 branch :)09:53
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_verwilsthehe11:09
_verwilsti like the blue contact icons11:09
_verwilsthm, where to put /usr/share/services/zeroconf.protocol and stuffs :$11:14
Riddellverwilst: don't11:19
_verwilstyeah, i've seen it too :)11:29
_verwilstit's part of kdelibs too eh11:29
_verwilstRiddell: so all the zeroconf and dnssd stuffs can stay out of it, right?11:30
Riddellverwilst: yes, for now11:37
_verwilstwhat's the deal with zeroconf support anyways in ubuntu?11:38
_verwilstit's not there now eh?11:38
_verwilstRiddell: uploading kdenetwork debs and source11:42
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Riddellverwilst: where to?11:45
_verwilstubuntu.verwilst.be11:45
_verwilstRiddell: if you change anything on those debs/source, could you please tell me in detail what you changed?11:46
_verwilstjust so i learn stuffs :d11:46
_verwilstso i can keep it in mind on beta2 :p11:46
_verwilstbut i think it's a good base to start from ;)11:46
_verwilsti'm running it here now11:46
_verwilstthe new kopete is nice11:46
_verwilstwell, not that much changed, but at least i like the new icons on the contactlist :p11:47
_verwilstthere, deb's are done, now doing source11:50
_verwilstRiddell: all done11:59

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