[12:04] <pef> Riddell: http://download.gna.org/kvpnc/kvpnc_0.8-1_ubuntu-5.10_i386.deb does this package it crash for you too ?
[12:05] <Riddell> pef: yep
[12:08] <jmg> i am looking for a good color scheme that is halfway between light and dark
[12:08] <jmg> that looks good against a dark background and white on black for konsole/kate
[12:09] <jmg> but doesnt make my head explode browsing a webpage that is black on white
[12:09] <jmg> also is there a way to change backgrounds in kcontrol/konqueror homepage?
[12:10] <jmg> Riddell: also system settings is horribly broken for 1024x768
[12:10] <jmg> i assume you already know that
[12:10] <jmg> and its being fixed for release?
[12:10] <jmg> "upstream" :)?
[12:11] <Riddell> jmg: I do know, too late to fix unfortunatly.  it's a general KDE problem (which system settings makes more prominant)
[12:11] <jmg> Riddell: horribly broken meaning that it doesnt size for 1024x768 and you cant see the bottom stuff
[12:11] <Riddell> jmg: alt+click drag is your friend
[12:12] <jmg> Riddell: i agree these days kde is focused on very high resolution workstations (1600x1200) but that doesnt mean it should be broken for 1024x768
[12:12] <jmg> Riddell: fixed in 3.4.3? :)
[12:13] <jmg> Riddell: its ok, i dont like system settings anyway hides too many options
[12:13] <jmg> i use icon mode kcontrol
[12:14] <Riddell> how does kcontrol have less options?
[12:14] <Riddell> it just makes them harder to find
[12:14] <jmg> kcontrol has more options
[12:14] <jmg> system settings makes them hard to find
[12:14] <jmg> and hides some menus altogether
[12:15] <apokryphos> I find that things in systemsettings are easier to find, but the fact that they're not all there doesn't help at all
[12:15] <Riddell> which modules do you miss?
[12:16] <jmg> Riddell: also what is the fat bar in the kubuntu splash supposed to have in it?
[12:16] <Riddell> jmg: it's a mystery :)
[12:16] <jmg> Riddell: a surprise?
[12:16] <jmg> Riddell: a snow badger?
[12:17] <Riddell> the artist put it there to have "breezy badger" or something in it but we can't put text in a splash screen as no i18n
[12:17] <jmg> Riddell: sad
[12:17] <jmg> Riddell: then the splash could be edited to not have it
[12:19] <apokryphos> Riddell: file associations and component chooser for example
[12:22] <Riddell> apokryphos: file associations are in konqueror
[12:22] <apokryphos> they're there too, I know
[12:23] <Riddell> whoever named component chooser was evil
[12:24] <Riddell> it's in User Account under Default Application
[12:25] <apokryphos> a-ha
[12:26] <apokryphos> just in case you didn't notice the note some time ago, suse 10 does indeed use a kdm theme with userlist
[12:27] <Riddell> apokryphos: hmm, any ideas how?
[12:28] <Riddell> I think they patch it
[12:29] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/SUSE/
[12:31] <apokryphos> I know the screenshot doesn't show a userlist, but... *shrug*
[12:33] <Riddell> apokryphos: have you tried that theme on kubuntu?
[12:33] <apokryphos> nope
[12:33] <apokryphos> worth doing, I guess
[12:34] <Riddell> uh oh
[12:38] <_verwilst> hellow guys
[12:40] <jmg> so what is with 1024x768 then are we second class citizens
[12:41] <_verwilst> Riddell: think i'm gonna compile something
[12:41] <_verwilst> Riddell: kdenetwork i think
[12:41] <Tm_T> jmg: yes! ] ;=
[12:41] <Riddell> _verwilst: which version
[12:41] <Riddell> ?
[12:41] <apokryphos> it does indeed have a clickable userlist, but not quite as suse has it... wait, I'll upload a screeny
[12:41] <Riddell> testing 3.4.3 packages would be the most useful
[12:41] <jmg> Tm_T: but my laptop is 1024x768!!!! do i have to run xfce or what
[12:41] <Tm_T> no
[12:42] <Tm_T> jmg: and don't take me too seriously ;)
[12:42] <Tm_T> too small :/
[12:42] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/snapshot1.png
[12:42] <jmg> Riddell" snapshot?
[12:43] <_verwilst> Riddell: 3.5
[12:43] <jmg> Riddell: i found it really hard on defaults
[12:43] <jmg> Riddell
[12:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: yeah, so they have their own patches for it
[12:43] <Riddell> apokryphos: thanks for testing
[12:43] <jmg> Riddell: still looking for nice colors
[12:43] <jmg> _verwilst: 17" laptopm
[12:43] <jmg> -m
[12:44] <Riddell> jmg: what problems are there besides systemsettings?
[12:44] <jmg> Riddell: gets cluttered easily
[12:44] <jmg> Riddell: double height taskbar + default style
[12:44] <jmg> = not much real estate to start with
[12:44] <Riddell> same as any other desktop
[12:45] <_verwilst> Riddell: i really want kde 3.5 packages :d
[12:45] <_verwilst> that way they'll be really stable when dapper hits ;)
[12:45] <jmg> Riddell: huh?
[12:45] <jmg> _verwilst: there are 3.5b1 packages...
[12:45] <jmg> wait is 3.5 out???? 
[12:46] <_verwilst> i'm talking about b1 :p
[12:46] <Riddell> 3.5 is not out
[12:46] <jmg> Riddell: you obviously havent used blackbox
[12:46] <jmg> :)
[12:46] <_verwilst> there are only packages up to kdebase
[12:46] <jmg> or evil >:)
[12:46] <jmg> _verwilst: that is true
[12:46] <jmg> _verwilst: i downgraded from b1
[12:46] <jmg> _verwilst: too buggy
[12:46] <_verwilst> isn't buggy here :p
[12:47] <_verwilst> but b1 debs are easy to rebuild to b2
[12:47] <_verwilst> so the more we have of those, the faster we'll have b2 ;)
[12:47] <Riddell> seaLne: about?
[12:48] <_verwilst> i was going to compile in a vmware session
[12:48] <_verwilst> but my ubuntu doesn't boot in thta
[12:48] <_verwilst> that
[12:49] <seaLne> Riddell: yeah
[12:50] <Riddell> seaLne: I've got a new kde/ruby package, would you be able to test?
[12:50] <seaLne> sure not tonight tho as i'm about to go to bed
[12:50] <Riddell> ok
[12:50] <seaLne> that ok?
[12:51] <Riddell> well if it doesn't work I'll blame you :)
[12:51] <seaLne> bah
[12:52] <seaLne> i seem to have bad effect on packages just before releases, i got autopsy kicked out of sarge :(
[01:30] <pef> Riddell: corrected kvpnc bug :)
[01:31] <pef> qt doc is _very_ good oO
[01:31] <Riddell> pef: what was up?
[01:31] <pef> QString logfileName = logfileName;
[01:33] <Riddell> nasty
[01:33] <Riddell> well done
[01:34] <jmg> hmm, kde *still* doesnt have a qt emacs
[01:35] <jmg> good thing kate is better then, isn't it? :)
[01:36] <pef> Riddell: QString foo, foo += "toto" is bad, right ? Can I replace this with foo.append("toto") ?
[01:37] <Riddell> pef: why is it bad?
[01:37] <pef> Riddell: not bad, sorry, but not deprecated ?
[01:40] <Riddell> pef: no, they are exactly the same
[01:40] <jmg> pef: you and i are both kvpnc bug stompers :)
[01:40] <pef> :)
[01:41] <pef> jmg: and I'm the maintainer of kvpnc, so i must try to find the problem to get this package into Breezy :] 
[01:42] <pef> Riddell: already corrected http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/kvpnc/src/kvpncconfig.cpp.diff?r1=1.22;r2=1.23;cvsroot=kvpnc
[01:42] <pef> arg
[01:42] <pef> too late :D
[01:45] <Riddell> QString logfileName = QString(logfileName+ "/kvpnc/kvpnc.log");
[01:45] <Riddell> that is still evil
[01:46] <pef> second line should be commented out ?
[01:46] <pef> logfileName is redefined, am I right ?
[01:46] <Riddell> there are two logfileNames there
[01:46] <Riddell> don't give two variables the same name, that's crazy
[01:46] <jmg> that's evil
[01:47] <pef> kvpnc c++ code isn't very clean, isn't it ?
[01:48] <jmg> anyone use evolution under kde?
[01:48] <jmg> kontact is a steaming pile
[01:49] <jmg> someone should port evo to qt, and then kill korganiser/kmail/kontact
[02:01] <pef> Riddell: ping
[02:02] <Riddell> pef: hi
[02:02] <pef> :D
[02:02] <pef> what do you think about this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2898
[02:04] <Riddell> pef: if it fixes it great, but thrack upstread for using two variables with the same name
[02:04] <pef> Riddell: will do it right now 
[02:04] <pef> Riddell: and the fix and the cvs commit http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/kvpnc/src/kvpncconfig.cpp.diff?r1=1.22;r2=1.23;cvsroot=kvpnc still makes a crash
[02:05] <pef> strange they commit something wrong
[02:05] <Riddell> pef: I'm busy with kde 3.4.3, can't compile much just now
[02:06] <pef> Riddell: ohh, sorry ;)
[02:07] <Riddell> but if it breaks for you then that's not really good enough :)
[02:07] <Riddell> just rename one of the variables
[02:07] <Riddell> ah wait, you did
[02:09] <pef> yes
[02:12] <jmg> Riddell: is there a build farm somewhere?
[02:13] <jmg> Riddell: my laptop cant compile kdepim without burning out
[02:15] <Riddell> jmg: no
[02:17] <jmg> :(
[02:19] <pef> Riddell: how should I report this into debian/changelog ? *FTBS: patch foo.diff for example ?
[02:22] <Riddell> pef: just say "Added patch kubuntu_01_fix_duplicate_variable_crash.diff fix crash caused by duplicate variable name use"
[02:22] <pef> ok, thank you :)
[02:27] <pef> Riddell: is there conventions about patchs filenames ? like forbidden characters, max filename lenght, etc
[02:28] <Riddell> pef: your patch fixes the crash
[02:28] <Riddell> no max langth, I prefix with kubuntu_ to make it clear to debian packagers (and me) where it comes from
[02:28] <Riddell> a number is useful too
[02:29] <pef> ok
[02:53] <pef> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=753
[02:53] <pef> so
[02:53] <pef> 2am here, bed calls me :)
[02:53] <pef> bye !
[02:53] <Riddell> pef: excellent
[02:53] <Riddell> sleep well
[02:53] <pef> thank you Riddell 
[03:13] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: want to test kde 3.4.3 for me?
[03:13] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343 breezy main
[03:13] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I'm already using 3.5b1 :/
[03:14] <Riddell> bah, that's no use
[03:15] <Tm_T> same here :/
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> we are just a pair of useless folks Tm_T :P
[03:16] <Tm_T> I'm more useless than you
[03:16] <Tm_T> Mtallica - Better Than You
[03:16] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:20] <jmg> why is ooo so slow
[03:20] <jmg> Riddell: how much 3.4.3 has been done?
[03:20] <Riddell> jmg: all but kde i18n
[03:20] <jmg> Riddell: nice work
[03:21] <jmg> Riddell: updating now
[03:21] <Riddell> cool
[03:22] <jmg> hehe
[03:22] <jmg> does kde have any kind of network personality support?
[03:22] <jmg> i am plugged into this network use this setting?
[03:23] <jmg> i want to mount some shares/launch apps on startup based on what network im using
[03:23] <Riddell> not really
[03:23] <jmg> and also set proxy settings
[03:23] <jmg> something for dapper
[03:24] <jmg> but i will slap one together in kommander and python
[03:24] <jmg> if only wpa worked on my minipci card
[03:24] <jmg> stupid lucent
[03:28] <jmg> bug for kdesu isnt kdesu supposed to use my widget settings or special rooty widgets?
[03:28] <jmg> not /default/ widgets?
[03:28] <jmg> i assume its reading roots .kde
[04:09] <jmg> Riddell: how many patches survived?
[04:10] <Riddell> jmg: survived what?
[04:13] <jmg> 3.4.3
[04:13] <jmg> Riddell: how many dpatches still applied
[04:13] <Riddell> almost all
[04:14] <jmg> i dunno whether thats good or bad
[04:14] <Riddell> there's not been much done to kde in 3.4.3 really, what with two other branches being open
[04:14] <Riddell> by the tiem you get to .3 it's mostly i18n is the difference
[04:15] <jmg> yeah
[04:16] <jmg> ok im gonna write network personality support in kommander
[04:20] <jmg> because lack of it pissed me off
[04:41] <jmg> hmm
[04:41] <jmg> kommando is cool but it needs to be a proper hotbox
[04:43] <Riddell> kommando?
[04:43] <Riddell> hotbox?
[04:44] <jmg> Riddell: the hotbox is a way of controlling Maya
[04:44] <Riddell> maya?
[04:44] <jmg> Riddell: kommando is an app on kde-apps.org
[04:44] <jmg> maya is a commercial 3d product
[04:46] <jmg> Riddell: also battlefield 2 uses hotbox style menus
[04:46] <jmg> Riddell: press a button and it appears on your view, mouve mouse in that direction
[04:47] <jmg> and it takes selected action when you release
[04:53] <jmg> really cool way of doing things
[04:53] <jmg> ok 
[05:01] <N17R0> please Devels, fix that kdesu bug :] 
[08:34] <jmg> have to try building kdepim on the a64 at work
[08:34] <jmg> a64 == fast compile 
[08:34] <jmg> :}
[09:50] <pef> hello
[10:26] <tvo> arg, 8674 reopened, let's see...
[11:03] <seaLne> weird i dist-upgraded, then logged out and my screen went blank and i couldn't even switch to a console, the monitor was indicating no signal, had to press the reset button
[11:25] <pef> seaLne: closed source nvidia drivers ?
[11:29] <seaLne> no
[11:29] <seaLne> matrox g550
[11:29] <seaLne> no kernel change
[11:30] <seaLne> i presume it was the xorg upgrade previously that took affect when i restarted X, everything was fine after the reboot, *shrug*
[02:00] <seaLne> anyone else got a Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list
[02:00] <seaLne> kubuntu-devel that was already on it?
[02:10] <Riddell> seaLne: nope
[02:21] <_verwilst> ok, gonna package kdenetwork 3.5b1
[02:22] <Tm_T> _verwilst: :)
[02:58] <_verwilst> oops l:)
[02:58] <_verwilst>  :)
[02:59] <_verwilst> hrm, lots of patches fail, wrt autotools and stuffs :$
[02:59] <_verwilst> debian/patches/common/03_libtool_update.diff, debian/patches/common/02_autotools_update.diff, ...
[02:59] <_verwilst> Riddell: is it ok for those to be removed,
[02:59] <_verwilst> ?
[03:00] <_verwilst> Riddell: and about 08_disable-visibility.diff
[03:00] <_verwilst> we're using gcc 4.0.x for breezy.. can't we enable visibility?
[03:04] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[03:04] <Tm_T> hi
[03:05] <m_tadeu> if i want to generate a package, how can i do it?
[03:05] <Tm_T> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages ?
[03:05] <Tm_T> I'm not sure if there's all
[03:05] <m_tadeu> yep...
[03:06] <Tm_T> anyway, gotta go ->
[03:08] <m_tadeu> what it the DebootstrapChroot
[03:13] <_verwilst> m_tadeu: i'm doing kdenetwork 3.5b1 now
[03:16] <m_tadeu> i was thinking about kopete
[03:16] <m_tadeu> still reading instructions
[03:19] <m_tadeu> the kdelibs and kdebase I hsvs to install are binaries or source?
[03:28] <_verwilst> m_tadeu: kopete is a part of kdenetwork :p
[03:29] <_verwilst> m_tadeu: building packages isn't that easy
[03:29] <m_tadeu> lol you're right :P
[03:29] <m_tadeu> and yes not easy in deed
[03:29] <m_tadeu> lots of new concepts here
[03:30] <_verwilst> hehe
[03:31] <_verwilst> but my kdenetwork is compiling
[03:31] <_verwilst> if everything goes well, i should have kdenetwork deb's for breezy very soon
[03:35] <_verwilst> oh compilation error
[03:35] <_verwilst> missing dep ;)
[03:35] <m_tadeu> that would be cool...i'm willing to try the new kopete
[03:35] <_verwilst> rebuilding :p
[03:35] <m_tadeu> lol
[03:36] <m_tadeu> if you need testing... :P
[03:38] <_verwilst> i will need it soon i hope ;)
[03:47] <m_tadeu> _verwilst: need any help with it?
[03:47] <_verwilst> not right now
[03:47] <_verwilst> it's just compiling
[03:48] <_verwilst> unless you can ship an X2 processor to me, there's nothing much you can do :p
[03:48] <m_tadeu> lolool got the same problem here... PIII 500
[03:49] <Tm_T> uuh
[03:49] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[03:49] <Tm_T> _verwilst: kdenetwork package under work?
[03:50] <_verwilst> say what? :p
[03:50] <Tm_T> :)
[03:50] <_verwilst> well i have very nice hardware
[03:50] <Tm_T> ok, have to kill this pain ->
[03:51] <_verwilst> but i bought an AMD64 3000+ since that's the cheapest cpu with a 939 socket
[03:51] <_verwilst> so i can just replace the cpu with an X2 as soon as the prices are a little bit more human :)
[03:52] <m_tadeu> I have to gather som will ( $$$ ) and buy a new pc too...this one is getting on my nerves
[03:53] <_verwilst> hehe
[03:53] <_verwilst> be sure to get an AMD ;)
[03:53] <_verwilst> they rule
[03:54] <m_tadeu> lol, i know :P aiming for one
[03:54] <m_tadeu> dual core, maybe ;)
[03:55] <_verwilst> well yeah
[03:55] <_verwilst> that's my aim too
[03:55] <_verwilst> but a 3000 will do fine until the prices drop enough
[03:55] <m_tadeu> after xmas
[03:56] <Lathiat> mmm, kubuntu in breezy is shiny
[03:57] <Lathiat> might have a convert of me yet
[03:58] <m_tadeu> a dual core is still costing about 370?
[03:59] <_verwilst> for the cheapest one yeah
[03:59] <_verwilst> installing
[04:00] <_verwilst> man i love amd64 :p
[04:00] <_verwilst> [15:35]  <_verwilst> rebuilding :p
[04:00] <_verwilst> 25 mins to compile kdenetwork :d
[04:00] <m_tadeu> lolol last time it took me 3 hours
[04:01] <_verwilst> nooo
[04:01] <_verwilst> dh_install -pkdict
[04:01] <_verwilst> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/apps/kdict.png': Onbekend bestand of map
[04:01] <_verwilst> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[04:01] <_verwilst> make: *** [binary-install/kdict]  Fout 1
[04:01] <_verwilst> damned
[04:04] <m_tadeu> those errors.....
[04:15] <m_tadeu> it compiled ok?
[04:18] <Lathiat> hrm, 'Adept Manager' should be 'Adept Package Manager'
[04:18] <Lathiat> also startup notification doesnt appear to work
[04:18] <Tm_T> hm, in my Kmenu adept is in 3 different places
[04:22] <_verwilst> m_tadeu: yeah, it's just the *.install files that need adjusting
[04:22] <m_tadeu> sounds like its almost done ;)
[05:14] <m_tadeu> _verwilst: any luck with those .install's?
[07:00] <_verwilst> had to go to my girl :d
[07:00] <_verwilst> but i'm back
[07:01] <m_tadeu> lol
[07:12] <_verwilst> busy on it again ;)
[07:12] <_verwilst> but in the meantime, food
[07:23] <m_tadeu> yap got that right
[07:23] <m_tadeu> tell me if I can help on anything
[08:02] <m_tadeu> well dinner time....be back latter
[08:07] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, why does kubuntu-desktop dep on hplip & hpijs ? Is the name deceiving and it's not just for HP printers?
[09:24] <_verwilst> w00t
[09:24] <_verwilst> done
[09:39] <_verwilst> well, kinda :p
[09:53] <Tm_T> 0.10.93 here
[09:53] <Tm_T> latest 3.5 branch :)
[11:09] <_verwilst> hehe
[11:09] <_verwilst> i like the blue contact icons
[11:14] <_verwilst> hm, where to put /usr/share/services/zeroconf.protocol and stuffs :$
[11:19] <Riddell> verwilst: don't
[11:29] <_verwilst> yeah, i've seen it too :)
[11:29] <_verwilst> it's part of kdelibs too eh
[11:30] <_verwilst> Riddell: so all the zeroconf and dnssd stuffs can stay out of it, right?
[11:37] <Riddell> verwilst: yes, for now
[11:38] <_verwilst> what's the deal with zeroconf support anyways in ubuntu?
[11:38] <_verwilst> it's not there now eh?
[11:42] <_verwilst> Riddell: uploading kdenetwork debs and source
[11:45] <Riddell> verwilst: where to?
[11:45] <_verwilst> ubuntu.verwilst.be
[11:46] <_verwilst> Riddell: if you change anything on those debs/source, could you please tell me in detail what you changed?
[11:46] <_verwilst> just so i learn stuffs :d
[11:46] <_verwilst> so i can keep it in mind on beta2 :p
[11:46] <_verwilst> but i think it's a good base to start from ;)
[11:46] <_verwilst> i'm running it here now
[11:46] <_verwilst> the new kopete is nice
[11:47] <_verwilst> well, not that much changed, but at least i like the new icons on the contactlist :p
[11:50] <_verwilst> there, deb's are done, now doing source
[11:59] <_verwilst> Riddell: all done