[12:27] <tenco> adept is really ugly. sorry, i just updated to breezy and adept is a real memory-hog: res 64 megs!
[12:27] <TokenBad> anyone know why kopete crashes?
[12:28] <TokenBad> and when is the full version of breezy out...it still not out till 13th?
[12:30] <tenco> synaptic is still king
[12:30] <tenco> way easier to use
[12:31] <TokenBad> agree tenco
[12:31] <_kay> hey there, anybody else got a problem with wpa_supplicant upgrade in breezy?
[12:31] <TokenBad> any idea why kopete crashes?
[12:31] <_kay> I cannot parse my config anymore, it always complains about the closing brace of the network={ block
[12:32] <tenco> the adept gui is really overloaded and search capabilities are limited
[12:33] <Ninjew> aptitude for life
[12:33] <jmg> guys i am looking for a good color scheme for kubuntu
[12:33] <jmg> that looks nice on 1024x768 with a dark background and white on black editors
[12:33] <jmg> but wont make my head explode looking at web pages
[12:33] <TokenBad> I do my own backgrounds
[12:34] <jmg> so do i
[12:34] <TokenBad> but for the rest of the stuff i went defaults
[12:35] <jmg> default doesnt work
[12:36] <TokenBad> did for me
[12:36] <TokenBad> but thats just me
[12:36] <TokenBad> my backgrounds and stuff..you can get from tokenart.deviantart.com
[12:39] <Mystique> hello all
[12:39] <Mystique> I have a problem installing libdvdcss2
[12:40] <Mystique> it complains about libc6
[12:40] <Mystique> how might I possibly go about dealing w/ that?
[12:41] <mekgp> anybody know of a way to "acquire" libcurl.so.2???
[12:46] <frank23> mekgp: thats an older version
[12:46] <frank23> mekgp: what program do you need it for?  maybe you can compile it yourself
[12:46] <mekgp> yep....application i run still needs it  :(
[12:47] <mekgp> flight sim engine...wont be able to compile it
[12:47] <frank23> .... I see ;-)
[12:47] <mekgp> darn dependencies anyway... :(
[12:49] <mekgp> cant that file be found somewhere and copied into where I need it???? 
[12:49] <frank23> probably
[12:50] <mekgp> going to goooogle me self to death! :D
[12:50] <ctw> FYI: I manged to install RealPlayer with the info provided here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:51] <frank23> mekgp: It's very possible that its not the only library you will need though
[12:51] <ctw> does anybody here have an HP Pavilion dv1000 laptop with working suspend to disk/ram in breezy?
[12:52] <penguinboy> what is the difference between stattic and dynamic ip
[12:54] <frank23> penguinboy: with a dynamip IP, you get a new one everytime you connect
[12:54] <penguinboy> thanks
[12:55] <mornfall> ad tenco, what a moron
[12:56] <TokenBad> any idea why kopete crashes?
[12:57] <TokenBad> and when is the full version of breezy out...it still not out till 13th?
[12:59] <satafterh> I am having issues sharing folders on home network? is there a bug or is it me??
[01:07] <kairu0> hi all
[01:08] <penguinboy> hey
[01:08] <kairu0> hey
[01:08] <kairu0> howzit
[01:16] <cyne> satafterh: what 'issues'?
[01:23] <jmg> how come some stuff doesnt seem to obey icon settings
[01:26] <kairu0> any users of SCIM UIM or IIIMF?
[01:27] <jmg> scim uim?
[01:27] <kairu0> these are input methods
[01:28] <kairu0> scim,uim,iiimf
[01:28] <jmg> oh
[01:28] <jmg> not me obviously
[01:29] <kairu0> ok
[01:36] <TokenBad> I don't get icons for anything I install
[01:37] <TokenBad> I installed gaim
[01:37] <TokenBad> no icon
[01:37] <TokenBad> I installed azureus
[01:37] <TokenBad> no icon
[01:37] <hippie> how to install flash player for amd64?
[01:37] <Tm_T> TokenBad: run kappfinder
[01:38] <Tm_T> TokenBad: those what you installed are not kde apps
[01:39] <TokenBad> ok...I ran it..said was added...when checked..still don't see them
[01:41] <TokenBad> do I need to refresh something?
[01:41] <TokenBad> like kde?
[01:45] <Tm_T> TokenBad: add them manually?
[01:46] <TokenBad> is there a way to reload kde like gnome without reloading?
[01:47] <Tm_T> why you should do that?
[01:48] <TokenBad> to see if the icons show then
[01:55] <othernoob> reload without reloading..interesting concept ..
[02:06] <kairu0> damn japanese input
[02:06] <kairu0> i cant get it going in kubuntu
[02:14] <TokenBad> well mean without rebooting
[02:27] <canllaith> Gday! could someone in here tell me where lspci resides on a default kbuntu install? :)
[02:28] <cyne> canllaith: open a konqueror window and type it in the search box :)
[02:28] <canllaith> cyne: I don't use kubuntu.
[02:28] <canllaith> I'm writing an article where I say 'type /sbin/lspci' and I'd like to make sure the instructions work on all the major distros.
[02:28] <cyne> one moment
[02:29] <cyne> on mine i have /usr/bin/lspci
[02:30] <cyne> also a symlink to it @ /bin/lspci
[02:31] <canllaith> Interesting!
[02:31] <canllaith> Is it also in /sbin ?
[02:31] <PeerSoft> sup ;] 
[02:35] <miguelo> hola
[02:41] <Tm_T> ooh
[02:52] <jadugarr84> does anyone here use breezy and baghira?
[03:14] <Riddell> please test KDE 3.4.3 deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343 breezy main
[03:16] <FractuS> I've the 3.4.2 full and runs [OK] 
[03:19] <N17R0> ok I go test it
[03:21] <N17R0> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_%7ejr_kde343_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> apt-get update
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> or Reload in (k|s)ynaptic
[03:22] <N17R0> opps yeah :P
[03:22] <seth_k|lappy> lol
[03:22] <N17R0> rofl
[03:22] <FractuS> wats the repository to Firefox?
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> it's in universe
[03:23] <N17R0> I will only test kde-base for you :)
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list @ FractuS 
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> and then uncomment the universe lines
[03:23] <FractuS> seth_k|lappy: yes.. but giveme a URL
[03:24] <seth_k|lappy> FractuS, it's already in the sources.list. Just commented out
[03:24] <FractuS> i tink that it is in multiverse
[03:24] <seth_k|lappy> no
[03:24] <seth_k|lappy> it's in universe
[03:25] <FractuS> the 1.0.7 version does't here
[03:25] <seth_k|lappy> 1.0.7 is in hoary-updates universe, yes?
[03:25] <seth_k|lappy> er, I dunno if hoary ever got a real 1.0.7
[03:25] <seth_k|lappy> might just be backported security fixes
[03:25] <N17R0> I had FF 1.0.7 on hoary
[03:27] <N17R0> brb
[03:27] <gdh> are the 1.0.x series anything but security fixes?
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> nope
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> just security
[03:31] <N17R0> ok so far KDE 3.4.3 is running well :P
[03:32] <FractuS> ok. thanks
[03:32] <FractuS> bye everybody
[03:39] <N17R0> ohh man
[03:40] <Riddell> N17R0: cool
[03:40] <Riddell> N17R0: oh man?
[03:40] <N17R0> still that bug ind KDE 3.4.3, u know when u start kynaptic, then it is loading in the taskbar, and after a few seconds it exits
[03:40] <Riddell> I don't know that bug, but I recommend using adept
[03:41] <Tm_T> I recommed it too
[03:42] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[03:42] <N17R0> adept? I usually use synaptic, but will have a look at adept thx
[03:42] <Flying_Eagle> my kubuntu-amd64-breezy-rc wont let me get superuser-rights. is this a known problem?
[03:43] <Riddell> Flying_Eagle: when doing what?
[03:43] <Flying_Eagle> something within the gethostnamebyxxx()-function (should have written it down)
[03:43] <Flying_Eagle> Riddell, trying sudo or su or whatever related to root
[03:45] <Flying_Eagle> (i know that there is no "root" by default)
[03:45] <Riddell> Flying_Eagle: I've not heard of that before
[03:45] <Flying_Eagle> :(
[03:45] <Flying_Eagle> ill try the 32bit-version...
[03:46] <Flying_Eagle> ...or wait
[03:48] <Flying_Eagle> well. know that i know, that i cant fix it myself, ill go to bed. byebye
[03:50] <N17R0> Riddell: Did u never seen that when u run a application in KDE which ask for root password, it just wont load the first or second time, but after another try it will finally execute?
[03:50] <Riddell> N17R0: is it kdesu or sudo you are having problems with?
[03:51] <N17R0> well the progs which I execute via kde-menu use kdesu
[03:52] <Riddell> yes
[03:52] <N17R0> I have had this behavior alot of times on Hoary, and now im on Breezy I have the same
[03:53] <N17R0> I think this is the same bug which dont let u run the Administrator mode in kcontrol
[04:11] <_root> is any body outthere who can help me
[04:11] <TokenBad> hmmm
[04:11] <TokenBad> where the hell did apt-get install azureus to
[04:12] <seth_k|lappy> azureus is in hoary-extras
[04:12] <N17R0> in ur internet menu
[04:12] <Hobbsee> _root: shoot
[04:12] <TokenBad> its not there
[04:12] <Lord_Athur> Hi 
[04:12] <TokenBad> I installed it
[04:12] <TokenBad> but its not listed
[04:12] <N17R0> lol
[04:12] <N17R0> hmm
[04:13] <jago> i am not able too log in as any body other than root whats rong
[04:13] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: use kappfinder to find it?
[04:13] <TokenBad> I tried that
[04:13] <TokenBad> it didn't find it
[04:13] <N17R0> I installed Azureus.deb from the website
[04:13] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: there's a kdm theme manager, btw, on kdelook =)
[04:13] <jago> this is root i changed my id
[04:13] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yes, but does it work?
[04:13] <TokenBad> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:13] <TokenBad> azureus is already the newest version.
[04:14] <TokenBad> so its installed
[04:14] <Hobbsee> TokenBad: run it from the run command?
[04:14] <TokenBad> but its not in my home dir either
[04:14] <TokenBad> tried
[04:14] <TokenBad> said it wasn't found
[04:15] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, yeah, I meant to try it sometime :D
[04:15] <N17R0> TokenBad: typ "which azureus"  in konsole
[04:16] <N17R0> what does it tell us then?
[04:16] <TokenBad>  /usr/bin/azureus
[04:16] <TokenBad> why would it install there?
[04:16] <TokenBad> thats weird
[04:16] <N17R0> lol
[04:16] <N17R0> so it wont run if u just typ "azureus"  in konsole?
[04:16] <TokenBad> nope
[04:17] <N17R0> do u have sun-java installed?
[04:18] <TokenBad> yes
[04:19] <N17R0> hmm 
[04:19] <TokenBad> azureus: No such file or directory
[04:19] <TokenBad> I went to the dir
[04:19] <TokenBad> and typed it
[04:19] <TokenBad> it ran
[04:19] <N17R0> ok
[04:20] <N17R0> then u could make a new menu entry for azureus, and tell it to execute command:  /usr/bin/azureus
[04:21] <TokenBad> how make it...just on the desktop?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> or in your kmenu
[04:21] <N17R0> right click on the big blua K
[04:21] <N17R0> yep kmenu
[04:21] <N17R0> menu editor
[04:21] <TokenBad> then what?
[04:22] <N17R0> right to floppy icon> new item
[04:22] <N17R0> typ Azureus
[04:22] <N17R0> then by the "Command"  field you typ: /usr/bin/azureus
[04:23] <N17R0> u could also search for the azureus icon
[04:23] <N17R0> and then save ;)
[04:23] <TokenBad> ahh ok
[04:43] <McScruff> lo
[04:45] <McScruff> on a storage hdd (mounted at /Storage) it has a .Trash-0 folder how can i delete this
[04:47] <N17R0> sudo rm -rf .Trash-0
[04:49] <McScruff> what does the rf do?
[04:49] <N17R0> uhm some kind of force
[04:50] <N17R0> it will be wiped completely
[04:50] <N17R0> rm --help
[04:50] <N17R0> -r, -R, --recursive   remove the contents of directories recursively
[04:50] <McScruff> ty
[04:51] <N17R0> -f, --force           ignore nonexistent files, never prompt
[04:52] <McScruff> worked a treat
[05:02] <labkom> hallo
[05:03] <jump_ez> coba
[05:03] <jump_ez> thrt
[05:23] <_dennis> am i in yet
[05:26] <kairu0> any SKIM users?
[05:32] <philipacamaniac> Riddell
[05:32] <Riddell> philipacamaniac:
[05:32] <philipacamaniac> Where's the KDE 3.4.3 info page (changes and such)?
[05:33] <Riddell> http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_2to3_4_3.php
[05:33] <philipacamaniac> Those are so hard to find. :) Thanks!
[05:34] <RezDawg> Let me state the obvious, Im a windows user trying to learn linux.
[05:34] <Riddell> well it hasn't been released yet
[05:34] <RezDawg> I used kynaptic to install firefox but i dont see it in the K menu
[05:35] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: good point.
[05:40] <RezDawg> can anyone tell me how to get firefox to show up in K menu?
[05:41] <philipacamaniac> RezDawg: right click the KMenu button and choose "Menu Editor"
[05:45] <RezDawg> ty
[05:47] <Cosmos> Hello
[05:47] <RezDawg> So when I add applications from kynaptic it dont automaticly add them the the K menu.  Is there a setting that will do that?
[05:47] <Cosmos> I'm looking for a KDE image manipulation program. I've tried Kirta but that seems more for painting than for manipulating. Any ideas?
[05:48] <RezDawg> im new to linux, but gimp is like photoshop 
[05:49] <Cosmos> Yeah good program, but I wanted to see whether there were any KDE alternatives before I jumped to GIMP
[05:49] <RezDawg> well im new to Kubuntu, just installed it half an hour ago, so im not the one to ask
[05:50] <Cosmos> Welcome to Kubuntu :)
[05:50] <RezDawg> thank you
[05:50] <Cosmos> How long have you been a Linux user for?
[05:50] <RezDawg> couple weeks
[05:50] <RezDawg> this is my second distro to try
[05:50] <Cosmos> Yeah great fun. Just stay in there, first few weeks are hard until you get used to the environment. Then you'll never want to go back :)
[05:50] <Cosmos> Cool, what was your first?
[05:50] <Cosmos> Let me guess.. Suse?
[05:50] <RezDawg> ark linux
[05:50] <Cosmos> Damn :P
[05:51] <RezDawg> i like ark and it uses KDE but it couldnt resolve my nvidia 3D accel problems
[05:51] <Cosmos> I'm going to move completely away from Windows at the end of this year, some of the programs we use at school require me to have Windows running
[05:51] <RezDawg> so I looked for another KDE distro
[05:52] <Cosmos> Good choice. Before Kubuntu I was a GNOME fan
[05:52] <RezDawg> well im only used to ark so im kinda confused
[05:53] <RezDawg> I would like to move away froms windows myself
[05:54] <RezDawg> Cosmos: so you have been using linux for awhile?
[05:55] <Cosmos> About 3 years now, but only about 6 months has been serious :)
[05:57] <RezDawg> which distro have you used before and why did you leave?
[06:00] <Cosmos> The first distro I used seriously was Suse, then I moved to Slackware... from there for about the next 2 years I just experimented with different distros, until at the start of this year I started using Debian on the server. Since then that's stuck (and I doubt that'll change). I stumbled across Kubuntu about 6 months ago and I've stuck with that since then
[06:00] <Cosmos> Before Kubuntu was Ubuntu, and before that was Debian (for the desktop)
[06:02] <RezDawg> do you know of a game that is 3D so I can test to see if the drivers here work with my vid card
[06:02] <Cosmos> Tux Racer
[06:02] <RezDawg> I used tuxracer on ark and dont see it here
[06:02] <Cosmos> It should be, try: apt-cache search tuxracer, or apt-cache search racer
[06:04] <RezDawg> hmm on luck
[06:04] <Cosmos> Hm...
[06:05] <Cosmos> Oh wait, which repositories are you using?
[06:05] <RezDawg> how do i know that?
[06:06] <Cosmos> open up: /etc/apt/sources.list in your fav text editor
[06:06] <Cosmos> And if you want, just PM me the output
[06:06] <chavo> look for ppracer
[06:07] <chavo> tuxracer isn't developed any further.  Please run 'ppracer' instead.
[06:07] <Cosmos> Ah that explains it :P
[06:08] <satafterh> KDE 3.4.3 stable??
[06:09] <chavo> satafterh, well as soon as it's released yes
[06:09] <RezDawg> shut down wrong window
[06:12] <Cosmos> RezDawg, if you missed what chavo said: "tuxracer isn't developed any further.  Please run 'ppracer' instead."
[06:13] <RezDawg> i looked for ppracer also
[06:13] <RezDawg> maybe its which repository im pointing at?
[06:15] <Cosmos> Do you have the "universe" one commented (does it have a "#" in front?)
[06:17] <RezDawg> i had to reg my nick to pm you
[06:17] <RezDawg> ill send it to you now
[06:20] <Cosmos> Is there a universe part to that?
[06:20] <RezDawg> yes the universe does have # in front of it
[06:20] <Cosmos> RezDawg, post in here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[06:20] <Cosmos> Okay, delete the "#"
[06:24] <RezDawg> do i need to put # in front of the other one?
[06:24] <Cosmos> Nope
[06:24] <Cosmos> Now just make sure to apt-get update
[06:25] <RezDawg> permission denied
[06:25] <RezDawg> is there a super user termial
[06:26] <Cosmos> Just: sudo apt-get update
[06:28] <RezDawg> i did a apt-cache search for ppracer nothing but when i did one for tuxracer it found one
[06:29] <Cosmos> cool
[06:32] <Cosmos> Or Kool :P
[06:32] <RezDawg> got tuxracer to work but no sound
[06:32] <RezDawg> i cant buy a break
[06:33] <crimsun> stop arts/esd before playing tuxracer
[06:33] <RezDawg> how do i bring up he alsa mixer again?
[06:34] <RezDawg> *the
[06:34] <Cosmos> the graphical interface, or the one that runs in the terminal?
[06:35] <RezDawg> well i have audigy2 zs
[06:35] <RezDawg> so i think i need the terminal one 
[06:35] <Cosmos> Oh nice
[06:35] <RezDawg> well in ark i did at least
[06:36] <RezDawg> i was told since KDE 3.2 you cant use alsa
[06:38] <RezDawg> its alsamixer not alsa mixer like i was typing
[06:39] <crimsun> you don't necessarily need alsamixer
[06:39] <crimsun> you can use any mixer
[06:40] <RezDawg> well im new to linux and a guy with audigy2 like mine told me this. so this is all i have to go on
[06:46] <RezDawg> *sigh*
[06:46] <RezDawg> no sound
[06:46] <RezDawg> let me go look on kubuntu website
[06:51] <abhayks> has anyone tried arch linux-- I am at present testing it on my thinkpad
[06:54] <RezDawg> the documentation isnt up on the site
[06:55] <RezDawg> anyone have a audigy2 zs that can help me get mine working
[06:55] <philipacamaniac> RezDawg: I've got an Audigy2 platinum - but I don't remember having to any fancy business to get it working
[06:56] <philipacamaniac> !nosound
[06:56] <ubotu> philipacamaniac: Are you on ritalin?
[06:56] <philipacamaniac> !sound problems
[06:56] <ubotu> philipacamaniac: Syntax error in line 1
[06:56] <philipacamaniac> !sound
[06:56] <ubotu> methinks sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/, or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:56] <philipacamaniac> I'm not sure I like the bot, and I don't think he likes me
[06:58] <RezDawg> well i cant say if im ritalin, im not familiar with what that is
[06:59] <seth_k|lappy> ritalin is a drug to treat hyperactivity
[07:01] <seth_k|lappy> RezDawg, btw, I have an audigy2 zs
[07:03] <RezDawg> okay i open alsamixer and some stuff was muted so i unmuted everything and now it works
[07:03] <RezDawg> thanks for the help guys, be patient, im a noob
[07:03] <seth_k|lappy> yeah
[07:03] <seth_k|lappy> it's the analog / digital out
[07:03] <seth_k|lappy> gotta unmute it
[07:05] <RezDawg> guess i got to get java working now
[07:05] <seth_k|lappy> ubotu tell RezDawg about java
[07:14] <JonasNZ> hey
[07:14] <seth_k|lappy> hi
[07:16] <JonasNZ> how stable is the Breezy RC
[07:16] <seth_k|lappy> I'm running Breezy on both my machines
[07:16] <seth_k|lappy> no showstoppers
[07:16] <crimsun> should be very stable.
[07:17] <JonasNZ> sweet, oh and the other thing, kubuntu is just the standard ubuntu + kde packages isnt it?
[07:17] <crimsun> not really
[07:18] <crimsun> It's a ubuntu base with KDE packages. The "standard" Ubuntu is full-blown GNOME.
[07:18] <JonasNZ> yeah i just worded that badly
[07:19] <JonasNZ> but all the ubuntu functionality is there but with KDE (which i prefer over gnome)
[07:19] <crimsun> Yeah, I figured that's what you meant, but it can get messy without precision.
[07:19] <seth_k|lappy> psh, since when is English a precise language :P
[07:19] <seth_k|lappy> let's all speak in ASSEMBLY
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> wHOOOOOo. finaly worked out how to make an ubuntu mirror :D:D:D
[07:19] <JonasNZ> seth_k|lappy, yeah true
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao seth_k|lappy
[07:20] <crimsun> assembly is arguably even less precise ;)
[07:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> move bullshit therex0
[07:20] <seth_k|lappy> LOL
[07:20] <JonasNZ> the other thing, if i get the rc and install it, i can just update to get the changes that are made in the official release
[07:20] <seth_k|lappy> YEP
[07:20] <seth_k|lappy> er
[07:20] <seth_k|lappy> yep
[07:20] <seth_k|lappy> caps lock
[07:22] <JonasNZ> any kiwis here?
[07:22] <Cosmos> No, but I'm Aussie :P~
[07:23] <JonasNZ> hehe, i have to find someone who can mail me a kubuntu cd, im stuck on my dialup and its sux
[07:24] <Cosmos> JonasNZ, look for a Linux Users Group in NZ, they'll usually send you copies of distros for the cost of shipment
[07:24] <satafterh> ya its to baad kubuntu wont mail you one for free
[07:25] <Cosmos> haha, was that a NZ joke?
[07:25] <Cosmos> Or did you seriously typo bad?
[07:25] <satafterh> og waaait i think they will
[07:26] <JonasNZ> Cosmos, what did i do wrong
[07:26] <Cosmos> JonasNZ, nothing I just pointing out that satafterh spelt "bad", "baad" (sort of like a sound a sheep makes)
[07:27] <JonasNZ> oh lol
[07:27] <Cosmos> JonasNZ, you might find someone in one of these LUGs to send you a copy of Kubuntu: http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=New+Zealand+Linux+User+group&meta=&btnG=Google+Search
[07:27] <satafterh> you know what they say about sheep
[07:27] <Cosmos> Nope?
[07:28] <satafterh> lol
[07:28] <JonasNZ> heh thanks, ill just hassle our techies at school do to it overnight if i cant track one down
[07:28] <satafterh> where is everyone from
[07:29] <philipacamaniac> just upgraded to KDE 3.4.2, seems to be working quite well
[07:29] <philipacamaniac> satafterh: AZ, USA
[07:29] <satafterh> ya works great
[07:29] <satafterh> no shit
[07:30] <satafterh> Canada here, and starting to get colder here
[07:30] <satafterh> freezing my a_s off in a few month, ihate the cold
[07:31] <philipacamaniac> 100+ degrees (fahrenheight) during the day here, even in October
[07:31] <seth_k|lappy> hmm, it's 7 deg Celsius here right now
[07:32] <seth_k|lappy> mmm blankets
[07:32] <satafterh> I need to move, cant afford the hyfro bill in the winter
[07:32] <philipacamaniac> hyfro?
[07:32] <philipacamaniac> natural gas?
[07:33] <satafterh> hydron
[07:33] <satafterh> hydro
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> water?
[07:33] <satafterh> power
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> oh damn crazy words
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> :)
[07:33] <satafterh> lights, tv, heat
[07:33] <philipacamaniac> hydroelectric power, i get it now
[07:33] <satafterh> thats sort of thing
[07:34] <philipacamaniac> we just burn coal and split atoms (nuclear plants) here in the US
[07:34] <satafterh> we have a natural gas line going through the province, do you think we can get it? Not!!
[07:35] <philipacamaniac> kidding, the Hoover Dam also helps power the entire southwest
[07:35] <satafterh> we have nuclear power, coal and dambs to
[07:36] <satafterh> we sell the us alot of power
[07:36] <satafterh> mosty Main
[07:36] <satafterh> here any wat
[07:36] <philipacamaniac> that's because the US is sick with an overspending, overbuying, overusing disease
[07:37] <satafterh> I notice bush likes to spend it, you should have kept clinton, i liked him
[07:38] <satafterh> Clinton was a good guy, he just got off on the wrong foot, or girl, lol
[07:38] <philipacamaniac> heh, funny thing is, I voted for bush, but now am more and more regretful
[07:40] <satafterh> Bush has no idea what he is doing, Clinton away knew what and who he was doing, and people gave him a hard time for it but Bush gets away with every thing
[07:41] <satafterh> its to bad your pres can only serve two terms, cause Clinton was a good one i think
[07:41] <philipacamaniac> yeah, well, history shows that every global power falls eventually
[07:43] <satafterh> just have to get the right people in office and keep the stupids ones and the ones who are out for thems selves out
[07:44] <satafterh> Al Gore should have been your man
[07:45] <satafterh> later I have to go freeze to death now
[08:16] <RezDawg> Do I have to manually add programs to the K menu everytime i install one?  Why doenst it automaticly put it on the K menu?
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: it usualy does afaik
[08:23] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser i installed firefox and some games and nothing appeared on the K menu
[08:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> try loging out and in again. 
[08:24] <RezDawg> okay
[08:28] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: well firefox showed up but not the games
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: rgith ok. im not familar with the k menu, so i cant realy comment on that :| *pokes kde ppl to help* but firefox should have showed up, so thats good
[08:31] <RezDawg> well its a start, thanks. and since i have your attention do I have to type your name out everytime or is there a way i dont have to
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can probably tab complete 'kampi<tab>' should do it, depends on the chat client
[08:33] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: hey that worked, thanks again. im so used to windows this is all very daunting
[08:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. thats ok. i started using gaim before i did the switch, so i was used to my chat client already ;)
[08:36] <RezDawg> well is gaim the best one to use. i have irc,yahoo,aim,msn 
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, im using gaim.
[08:37] <RezDawg> i dont know why all my friends want to use different clients, if i could get them to use just one i would be happy
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> convirt them all :D
[08:37] <RezDawg> im trying but they all have arguements to why they like client *X*
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have irc,(2 networks), yahoo, aim, msn, icq, jabber :| so 1 client is nice :D
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'msn has all these smiles' *shudder*
[08:38] <RezDawg> i use/used trillian for windows so i can converse with them all
[08:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> i stoped using trillian after the 0.74 releases, i started to hate it :( so i switched to gaim. and it was good (etc)
[08:41] <RezDawg> well ill try gaim for linux and if i like it ill switch to it in windows too. i still have to use windows until i can switch over to linux all the way
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you use windows for? (i alwasy ask ppl, its intersting to find out)
[08:44] <RezDawg> well i buy alot of dvds(wife hates it) and i back them up and watch those cuzz of my kids/nieces/nephews. and I play online first person shooter
[08:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i played CSS/HL2 before moving to linux. havent had the time to get them running agin since though :)
[08:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> and im suprised you cant find anything to backup dvds with :o
[08:46] <RezDawg> I play americas army, which they dont support for linux that well, version 2.4 in the latest for windows, been out for months, yet mac,linux version has yet to come out
[08:46] <RezDawg> as for dvds, i read i can use wine to use dvdshrink, so as soon as i can get that configured that will be one less thing
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> dvd shrink rocks, i remember it :) and im sure ppl have got it working, so you *may* find readable instructions around the place
[08:48] <RezDawg> i read it so its just understanding what i read to do it
[08:48] <RezDawg> im a noob to linux
[08:48] <RezDawg> maybe a month tops with linux prolly 2-3weeks
[08:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> plenty of ppl to help if you need :O
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. stuff to do :) . see you later mate
[08:50] <RezDawg> this is my second linux distro so im still learning, first was arklinux. I like arklinux but they couldnt resolve my nvidia 3D acceleration problem so I looked for another KDE distro, since im familiar with that only so for, and found Kunbuntu
[08:50] <RezDawg> k, thanks
[09:21] <RezDawg|> !users
[09:21] <ubotu> RezDawg|: I give up, what is it?
[09:35] <RezDawg> !dvd
[09:35] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[09:35] <RezDawg> !hoary-extras
[09:35] <ubotu> rumour has it, hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: you can use '!tell me about blah' as well
[09:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> so ubotu messages you, instead of putting it in the chan
[09:37] <RezDawg> im trying to figure out what to use to play dvd's
[09:37] <chx> hi. what's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[09:37] <cyne> RezDawg: kaffeine
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx: dist-upgrade resolves depenancies, upgrade only upgrades packages already on the system
[09:38] <RezDawg> !tell me about dvd
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell RezDawg about !
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[09:39] <RezDawg> !tell RezDawg about dvd
[09:39] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: so there is no problem with always running dist-upgrade ?
[09:39] <RezDawg> can you still see it in channel?
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx, dist-upgrade is recomended
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: all we see in chan is you saying !tell me about, we dont see the answer
[09:40] <RezDawg> aaah okay great
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:42] <spiral> hi
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi spiral :)
[09:42] <RezDawg> hello
[09:44] <chx> is there a way to add my email address to cc on a bug without showing the email address to all? I am very interested in https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8674
[09:45] <RezDawg> im running 5.04 is 5.10 stable?
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: yeh, pretty much. 
[09:46] <chx> RezDawg: I am running it and so far so good
[09:46] <RezDawg> might as well be a mindless sheep and follow the herd
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> defiy the trend! stay with hoary untill they stop supporting it :D
[09:48] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: lol well i need help so i need to be with the rest ofthe flock
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:50] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: so how do i tell which version im running?
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> erm. ctrl +alt+ f1, look at the bottong line of text above the 'login'. then ctrl +alt+ f7 to get back into kde
[09:52] <RezDawg> hmm it still says 5.04
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> so your running hoary
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> the other way to check would be look at your sources list
[09:54] <RezDawg> i typed sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:54] <RezDawg> do i need to go into kynaptic now and do the packages
[09:55] <RezDawg> that didnt do anything
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: you have to change your sources list to point to breezy, run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: 'sudo $youreditor /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[10:02] <RezDawg> so in the sources.list where it says hoary i need to change it to Breezy?
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, on every line exept the cd line (which doesnt work that way)
[10:03] <chx> I would like to run echo 1100 > /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0037/cpu0_vid on every boot. How could I...?
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx add it to an init script (no, i cant give good help on that)
[10:04] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: no rc.local or such?
[10:05] <chx> hmm google points me to a simple solution :)
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx, i cant help with that, i havent done it myself, and i dont watn to break stuff :)
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[10:06] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.plope.com/Members/chrism/debian_rc_local_equiv can't be simpler. what can break with an echo, anyways?
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx, more the hacking init scripts is what i was thinking of breaking :)
[10:08] <chx> my poor system is sweating without undervolting, because I do not have a CPU fan :)
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> and sudo echo /dev/null >/dev/hda will break stuff if you want :D
[10:09] <chx> ROTFLMAO
[10:11] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: that will write only slash d e v slash null into the first bytes hda , it's easy to fix
[10:11] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: you need a good amount of dd to break real havoc
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> while ( /dev/urandom -ne 0) ; do echo /dev/null/ /dev/hda[1-9] ; done ??
[10:13] <chx> no, no
[10:13] <chx> echo just won't do it
[10:13] <chx> root@catv-5062a336:/etc/init.d# echo /dev/null
[10:13] <chx> /dev/null
[10:13] <chx> and cat /dev/null actually does nothing
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. cat
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> or dog :D
[10:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> cat /dev/null > /dev/hda1
[10:14] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: that will do nothing
[10:14] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: cat will immediately get an EOF when tries to read from dev/null
[10:14] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: well i had problems trying to go to breezy so ill leave it for another day
[10:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. must need to use random then.
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: you want to make sure yoru set right before you update next, or things could break
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> !repositries
[10:15] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Kamping_Kaiser
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( 
[10:16] <chx> Irepositories
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> !repositories
[10:16] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[10:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 from ubotu
[10:18] <chx> how can I get a module into Ubuntu?
[10:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> modprobe?
[10:19] <chx> i mean the distribution
[10:19] <chx> I downloaded did a make, modprobe and runs fine
[10:20] <chx> but , well, I can understand , only a limited amount of users will benefit from it
[10:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> get in touch with the motus and ask them about that
[10:21] <chx> motus??
[10:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> masters of the universe iirc #ubuntu-motu
[10:23] <chx> Riddell: ping
[10:31] <tbfg> hi
[10:31] <tbfg> I've kubuntu hoary installed and just changed atp-sources to breezy archives
[10:32] <tbfg> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade just wants to upgrade 26 packages...
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> tbfg: are you sure you changed yoru soruces right?
[10:34] <tbfg> it seems as if the kde3.4.2 packages are missing 
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *your *sources
[10:34] <tbfg> Kamping_Kaiser i replaces every occurence of hoary wit breezy
[10:35] <tbfg> -s+d
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> tbfg: can you pastebin your sources list? that sounds like a strange thing to have happened. so there was no errors?
[10:37] <chx>  deb http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde343 breezy main i tried to add this but W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[10:37] <tbfg> Kamping_Kaiser I just realized that I was missing main in the sources (just had univers and updates) *shame*
[10:37] <tbfg> but thanks for your help anyway :)
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> tbfg: lol. wd. knew it had to be simple :D
[10:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx. jr probably hasnt bothered to generate keys
[10:39] <chx> I really hope this 3.4.3 stuff will solve my rotate problem
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> learn to lvoe it :D
[10:44] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: i figured out what was wrong, my repositories pointed to us.archieve, i just took out us. and boom
[10:44] <RezDawg> man its almost 2am
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: wd. perhaps the archives were updating
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: heh. bugger ;) its only 6.15 here
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> pm
[10:45] <RezDawg> its 1:45 am
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> mind you, went to bed at 3am last night, and 4am the ngiht before
[10:46] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: second thing i did was "B"reezy, its breezy
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, yeh, i got caught by that a few times :)
[10:48] <RezDawg> well in the header of irc it said "B"reezy so thats what i put
[10:50] <TheHighChild> hey folks
[10:51] <TheHighChild> Was curious if anyone might know if I need a 64bit version of Enemy Territory for my AMD64 installation
[10:51] <TheHighChild> or if the 32 bit version works
[10:51] <RezDawg> cant help ya
[11:04] <Firetech> When is the scheduled release date for kubuntu breezy?
[11:05] <RezDawg> couldnt tell you , but im updating to breezy right now
[11:06] <Aapzak> good morning people
[11:07] <RezDawg> well it's 2am so technially you're right
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Aapzak
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: only where you are :)
[11:07] <Aapzak> I'm in CET, its almost midday here
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Firetech: 13th afaik
[11:08] <RezDawg> california, where else would anyone want to be ;)
[11:09] <Aapzak> how is everything here? quiet he?
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: im happy with Aust, thanks all the same :D
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes, very quiet :O
[11:10] <RezDawg> well, they have pills for that disorder if you're ever interested in getting right! 
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> later all :). food time
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> RezDawg: no thainks, ill stay ill ;)
[11:11] <RezDawg> Kamping_Kaiser: good night, ill prolly be in bed soon
[11:17] <Firetech> does upgrading with a custom kernel (2.6.12.2) cause any strange problems?
[11:18] <Firetech> I know there are security issues in 2.6.12.2, but those are only vulnerable within a local network afaik, and my local network is secure...
[11:19] <Firetech> plus I have 71 days of uptime...
[11:32] <Aapzak> who cares about uptime
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> everyone ;)
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> im bacacaaak
[11:32] <Aapzak> not me :)
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) well longer uptime == more security risks. so you get one or the other :D
[11:33] <Aapzak> after a couple of days it will be 0 anyway
[11:33] <Aapzak> 502 days or something like that
[11:34] <Aapzak> Firetech: do you fele insecure with your current kernel? upgrade, if not? don't upgrade
[11:34] <Firetech> I don't feel insecure
[11:34] <Aapzak> then why update?
[11:34] <Firetech> I was asking if a breezy upgrade (running hoary now) would cause problems?
[11:35] <Aapzak> ah
[11:35] <Firetech> I wasn't too clear at that point though :/
[11:35] <Aapzak> Why not just wait a couple of days until it's released?
[11:35] <Aapzak> it's a matter of days I believe
[11:35] <Firetech> Aapzak: I think I will, but the kernel question still is there...
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Firetech: no, it should cause no problems. you may have to re-install a custom kernel though
[11:36] <Firetech> well, I might do a new compile...
[11:36] <Firetech> of 2.6.13.x
[11:36] <Firetech> plus evms and squashfs patches.
[11:37] <Aapzak> uptime is so unimportant, I see no reason to let uptime influence any discisions
[11:38] <Firetech> well, I'm on a uptime competition list ;)
[11:38] <Aapzak> different cook on production machines offcourse
[11:38] <Aapzak> ah :)
[11:38] <Firetech> I'm on third or fourth place
[11:38] <Aapzak> prob at the bottom with you 71 days :)
[11:38] <Aapzak> really?
[11:38] <Aapzak> now I'm curious about my uptime ..
[11:39] <Firetech> well, there's only 20 or so computers there
[11:39] <Firetech> the list think my computer is down :S
[11:39] <Firetech> w00t?
[11:39] <Aapzak> I know I maintain 2 debian servers at work who both passed 502 days and are allready on 100 again, so 602 days +
[11:40] <Aapzak> and they are both heavily used
[11:40] <Firetech> :)
[11:40] <Aapzak> one runs stable, the other unstable
[11:40] <Firetech> http://www.barbanet.com/uptime/ <-- it's in swedish though...
[11:41] <Firetech> my computer is "Barbaque", ans as far as I can see, it's not dead... (It's the one I'm chatting with now.)
[11:41] <Aapzak> barbafin is yours
[11:41] <Firetech> no
[11:41] <Firetech> The page somehow think my comp. is dead.
[11:41] <Firetech> I can't see why
[11:42] <Aapzak> ah, dod, dead
[11:44] <Firetech> yup
[11:44] <Firetech> it seems to bee the VPN tunnels
[11:45] <Firetech> "Barbafarfar" is my firewall, and y computer is only accessable via VPN.
[11:45] <Aapzak> my Gentoo server runs for 68 days now, but as I stated before, I don't care for uptime :)
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know if an imac (g3) will boot from usb?
[11:45] <Aapzak> dunno Kamping_Kaiser 
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> Aapzak: i shut my pc down every night becaues its in by bedroom ;) so i get massive 18 -> 24 hour uptimes :)
[11:46] <Aapzak> :)
[11:46] <Firetech> Kamping_Kaiser: My computer is in my bedroom
[11:46] <Aapzak> I have that on laptop and workstation
[11:46] <Firetech> I keep it quiet, though
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Firetech: i have a server (that can be heard form the ohter end of the house when its running) adn a desktop , so i *cant* sleep with them on :)
[11:48] <Firetech> I can make m,y computer hearable from the other end of the house, I just turn on the case fans on 12V :P
[11:48] <Firetech> Zalman CNPS7000-AlCu does the quietness job :)
[11:49] <Aapzak> I use low spec machines for server, with quiet fans
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i cant make mine quieter, only louder, and its loud  enough :( *will get industrial deafness soon :S*
[11:49] <Firetech> it's on its lowest setting (~1500 RPM), and still keeps my CPU at ~39 degrees Celsius.
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Aapzak: i got given it, 30GB worth of scsi hdds
[11:50] <Aapzak> @10000 rpm?
[11:50] <Aapzak> that will make some noise
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure :( i doubt it though, its quite old kit
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> the fans are loud enough, let alone when you throuw IO accross the dics
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> *discs
[11:56] <Aapzak> I buy all my hardware on 2 criteria: linux compatibility, loudness
[11:57] <Aapzak> so I have seagate disks which are extremely quiet
[11:57] <Aapzak> not the fastest disks, but I care more about noise than the loss of speed
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have only had to buy one thing after switching, so i havent been able to apply that principal >:O
[11:58] <Aapzak> you will get that choice in time
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i sure will
[11:59] <Aapzak> :)
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i upgrade in 2 years :)
[12:00] <Aapzak> same here
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i committed to having my pc last 5 years. 2 years ago
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> so 2+ years
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> all i have done is added new stuff, not 'upgraded' as such
[12:11] <Aapzak> 5 years is a long time, what kind of hardware was available 5 years ago, PII 600?
[12:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> p3s
[12:12] <Aapzak> allright if you're not a gamer :)
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i got my first (well, family got first) PC in 2002/3
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> everything i hvae learned is self taught... so i wasnt gaming on anying in 2k ;)
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> !networkinstall
[12:14] <ubotu> Kamping_Kaiser: Syntax error in line 1
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[12:17] <spiral> hmmm, it looks like gpgme is broken in my breezy...
[12:17] <spiral> kmail doesn't manage to uncypher mails... & it tells me gpgme wasn't compiled with pgp support...
[12:18] <spiral> does anyone know about this ? it might be a problem with the recent upgrade of some kde 3.4.3 packages, but I didn't add the repo in src
[12:37] <pc22> whats with the kde (universe)
[12:40] <spiral> anyone knows for gpgme ?
[12:40] <Tm_T> ?
[12:41] <spiral> Tm_T: I said a few minutes ago it was broken in my laptop, because kmail no longer wants to decrypt...
[12:41] <Tm_T> ah
[12:41] <spiral> & it tells me gpgme isn't built with gnupg & s/mime suport
[12:41] <spiral> support
[12:41] <libben> http://www.funnyhub.com/videos/page.cgi/worlds-fattest-cat
[12:41] <Tm_T> spiral: kde343 ?
[12:42] <moty> hello there?
[12:42] <Tm_T> moty: yes?
[12:42] <moty> is there any way i coud get amarok >= 1.3 without compiling?
[12:43] <Tm_T> yes
[12:43] <moty> in hoary?
[12:43] <Tm_T> moty: it's in http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[12:44] <seaLne> moty: upgrade to breezy :)
[12:44] <Tm_T> moty: but what's wrong with compiling?
[12:44] <seaLne> moty: tho you might want to wait till thursday
[12:44] <Tm_T> seaLne: no reason to wait ;)
[12:44] <moty> nop not really stable:(
[12:44] <seaLne> i know i've been running breezy for ages
[12:46] <moty> Tm_T: well with compiling i'll have to compile all the new deps like gstreamer an libtag 1.4 and this is the reason why i quit gentoo:( tired of compiling
[12:46] <Tm_T> everyday something new <3
[12:46] <Tm_T> moty: ok, so then use binary packages
[12:46] <moty> where can i get one?
[12:46] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[12:47] <moty> Tm_T: no amarok there...
[12:47] <Tm_T> moty: should be?
[12:47] <moty> no amarok dont belong to the official kde
[12:47] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:47] <Tm_T> ah yes
[12:47] <Tm_T> sorry
[12:48] <moty> :)
[12:48] <Tm_T> I forgot that little detail
[12:48] <Tm_T> moty: then I don't know
[12:48] <moty> what r u guis using hoary or breezy???
[12:48] <Tm_T> breezy
[12:48] <moty> i see
[12:53] <seaLne> ooh the new kdesu looks much nicer
[12:55] <Tm_T> seaLne: ...I didn't saw anything different
[12:55] <seaLne> think it came with 3.4.3 maybe?
[12:55] <spiral> am I the only one who gets problems with gpgme in kmail ?
[12:56] <seaLne> Tm_T: you dist-upgraded this morning?
[12:58] <Tm_T> seaLne: :o
[12:59] <Tm_T> seaLne: looks like there's coming a whole punch of packages
[12:59] <seaLne> yep :)
[12:59] <Tm_T> seaLne: but... 3.4.3 packages, and I supposed to have 3.5b1 already :p
[01:00] <moty> BTW why did they mess with the konqueror profile in breezy, didnt like it at all...
[01:04] <seaLne> moty: i'd agree with you...
[01:08] <Tm_T> vieras: what's up?
[01:09] <Wimpie>  hi all, looking for xine-ui 0.99.4 which solves the right click crash
[01:09] <hettar> where can one get the sun java packages
[01:09] <seaLne> !java
[01:09] <ubotu> somebody said java was to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[01:10] <hettar> thanks
[01:10] <apokryphos> hettar: giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/
[01:10] <apokryphos> problem with the wiki entry is that it wants you to make the debs yourself :-O
[01:10] <seaLne> apokryphos: its really simple
[01:10] <hettar> yeah I see that. I was sure I had seen .debs somewhere
[01:11] <apokryphos> I know; not as simple as dpkg -i
[01:11] <seaLne> apokryphos: sun don't allow other people without a license to distribute java
[01:11] <apokryphos> I know
[01:16] <hettar> Does anyone actually like the new kubuntu package manager ??
[01:18] <cyne> hettar: kynaptic?
[01:18] <seaLne>  adept
[01:19] <apokryphos> hettar: what don't you like about it?
[01:19] <hettar> adept
[01:19] <hettar> on breezy
[01:19] <hettar> Way to confusing
[01:20] <apokryphos> what specifically?
[01:20] <hettar> I had to install synaptic again
[01:22] <hettar> particually painful if you want to install a lot of packages. need to click on each arrow then press the install button
[01:23] <hettar> And in general you have a cuple of filters you use and the rest of the time you do a more specific search.
[01:23] <hettar> I can't find any way of setting up those filters in adept
[01:23] <seaLne> i like apt-get and apt-cache :)
[01:24] <hettar> seaLne: I use that too, but synaptic is good if you want to look through say the KDE packages to see what is interesting that you haven;t tried
[01:24] <apokryphos> worth trying out, hettar, is KPackage if you want a GUI front-end
[01:25] <PeterSomnium> is it possible to upgrade hoary to breezy without losing files?
[01:25] <hettar> I did try it ages ago, might give it another go some time
[01:25] <apokryphos> PeterSomnium: what files?
[01:25] <apokryphos> if you mean things in /home, then yes -- of course. A dist-upgrade won't touch things in there
[01:25] <PeterSomnium> home dir and conf files and stuff
[01:26] <seaLne> PeterSomnium: just replace hoary with breezy in /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> Reading package lists... Done
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> Calculating upgrade... Done
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> i did that
[01:26] <hettar> Well nearly go the breezy rc all working nicely
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> just change sources.list?
[01:26] <seaLne> then apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:26] <PeterSomnium> k thanks
[01:27] <apokryphos> !breezy
[01:27] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[01:27] <apokryphos> and don't flood the chan please, PeterSomnium
[01:27] <PeterSomnium> yeah ok
[01:27] <PeterSomnium> sorry for that
[01:27] <hettar> Tried straight gnome breezy first but It must have a memory leak or a few million of them.
[01:28] <hettar> X was using about 600M on average. rather than the 34 it is using now.
[01:29] <hettar> and some of the taskbar applets were using about 50 meg
[01:31] <paines> hi
[01:42] <zviratko> hi ppl
[01:42] <phoenixbyrd> hey
[01:42] <zviratko> was the page with kde35 packages moved somewhere?
[01:42] <zviratko> (http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php)
[01:42] <zviratko> give me a 404
[01:42] <phoenixbyrd> idk, haven't looked at it yet
[01:44] <phoenixbyrd> yea, I got a 404 too
[01:45] <phoenixbyrd> don't even see the dl for breezy anymore either
[01:48] <seaLne> yeah its in a subdir now can't remember what its called tho
[01:48] <zviratko> heh ;)
[01:48] <seaLne> http://kubuntu.org/packages/
[01:49] <phoenixbyrd> how do I get it from that?
[01:49] <apokryphos> http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35beta1.php
[01:50] <phoenixbyrd> ty
[01:51] <zviratko> hmmm
[01:51] <zviratko> looks like something still remains from 3.4 tho
[01:51] <zviratko> because it wants to upgrade some parts to 3.4.91, and some to 3.4.3
[01:51] <apokryphos> only libs, base, toys and utils is in 3.5
[01:52] <apokryphos> well, and aRts
[01:52] <zviratko> ah
[01:52] <zviratko> any way to get it whole?
[01:52] <Tm_T> ah now I see
[01:53] <apokryphos> zviratko: yes; compile
[01:53] <motyR> what is the 3.4.3 packages u r talking about? i never saw kde 3.4.3?
[01:54] <apokryphos> motyR: /topic
[01:54] <zviratko> apokryphos: if i wanted to compile, i wouldn't switch from gentoo yesterday :D
[01:54] <Tm_T> :)
[01:54] <motyR> y i saw that but what r those is there any official kde 3.4.3?
[01:54] <apokryphos> then you'll have to wait, unfortunately; devs are busy with breezy release
[01:55] <apokryphos> 3.5 is a beta version, remember, too
[01:55] <apokryphos> motyR: yes, they are
[01:55] <Tm_T> zviratko: you can always help devs ;)
[01:56] <lucian> hello
[01:56] <lucian> (k)ubuntu is based on debian???
[01:56] <apokryphos> yes
[01:56] <lucian> thank you!
[01:56] <apokryphos> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship/
[01:56] <Tm_T> :)
[01:56] <motyR> apokryphos: all i see in kde.org r 3.4.2 and 3.5-beta, am i missing something?
[01:57] <apokryphos> motyR: yes; you're missing the channel topic
[01:57] <Tm_T> I really hope there will be more collaboration between (K)Ubuntu and Debian
[01:58] <mrplant> " They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. That's nothing - when you play it forward it installs Windows "
[01:58] <Tm_T> mrplant: old one
[01:59] <Tm_T> not as old as me, but old ;)
[02:00] <mrplant> yeah i've heard; ] 
[02:00] <mrplant> but funny ;] 
[02:00] <Tm_T> sad :/
[02:01] <mrplant> true ;] 
[02:04] <mrplant> http://atmizzou.missouri.edu/oct04/images/vietnam.jpg i love this pic
[02:06] <Tm_T> :)
[02:06] <mrplant> jesus
[02:06] <mrplant> internet connection
[02:06] <mrplant> works lika turtle
[02:06] <mrplant> 1kb/s
[02:06] <mrplant> on cable modem
[02:06] <mrplant> :|
[02:06] <mrplant> instead of 80
[02:07] <Tm_T> and what's about jesus?
[02:07] <mrplant> ;>
[02:07] <mrplant> jesus had
[02:07] <mrplant> some good ideas
[02:07] <mrplant> but his followers
[02:07] <mrplant> screwed things upo
[02:07] <mrplant> *up
[02:08] <Tm_T> :/
[02:10] <robin> hmm, anyone any success syncing his bluetooth phone with kontact?
[02:10] <robin> it seems to get the data of the phone, but the syncing proces never ends
[02:12] <robin> (using breezy)
[02:13] <Tm_T> :/
[02:17] <Dario_> Hi all. I see gamin (gam_server) is still causing problems (impossible to umount some unused devices). How to permanently kill gam_server ? grep -r "gam_server" /etc/ is empty, so where and when does it get launched ?
[02:24] <robin> kitchensync: Error! Trying to delete File: , but it wasn't FOUND
[02:24] <robin> kitchensync: but this CAN'T HAPPEN
[02:24] <robin> interesting..
[02:34] <D1ng0> everyones sleeping huh
[02:37] <D1ng0> clear
[02:38] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[02:40] <m_tadeu> I was checking the kubuntu repositories and I found stuff from kde3.4.3....whats the deal with this version?
[02:41] <mornfall> hettar: dude
[02:41] <mornfall> hettar: select all packages you want to install, right-click, install
[02:41] <mornfall> hettar: it's -easy-
[02:43] <_mrplant> m_tadeu: dunno, im using kde 3.5b
[02:44] <mornfall> m_tadeu: what deal? breezy ships with 3.4
[02:47] <m_tadeu> mm...not that...did kde released a v3.4.3?
[02:48] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: not yet?
[02:48] <m_tadeu> not in the kde news :P
[02:48] <Tm_T> but this is: http://dot.kde.org/1128688328/
[02:50] <m_tadeu> from jabber server?
[02:51] <Tm_T> I mean, now kde people have their own jabber server :)
[02:51] <m_tadeu> neat
[02:52] <asraniel> hi, is there a way to set the default soundcard when there are two installed?
[02:54] <m_tadeu> btw....is there a reason for not releasing some kde packages from kde3.5beta1?
[02:55] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: I don't think so, but someone must do/maintain them
[02:55] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: so if you're volunteer... ;)
[02:55] <Tm_T> asraniel: yes, in kcontrol
[02:56] <m_tadeu> lol just wondering ;) don't have the knowledge to do it
[02:57] <Tm_T> :/
[02:57] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: it's time to learn and give something to community ;)
[02:57] <m_tadeu> Tm_T: how's it done?
[02:57] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: heh, riddell is a man ;)
[02:59] <asraniel> Tm_T: i cant find a way in kcontrol to change the default soundcard...
[03:02] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: if youre really interested, #kubuntu-devel
[03:03] <Tm_T> asraniel: kcontrol -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System -> Hardware
[03:03] <m_tadeu> I never done it, but i might give it a try ;) 
[03:03] <Tm_T> asraniel: override device location
[03:04] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: I never done it yet, but will
[03:05] <Tm_T> asraniel: got it? hilight me if there's something to ask. Work to do ->
[03:05] <robin> nobody got the t610 syncing with kontact :/ ?
[03:06] <asraniel> Tm_T: could work.. but now i have to find out the device name of the second soundcard, is there a easy way for that?
[03:07] <asraniel> Tm_T: if you are in any way connected to the kde devs, a little selection box for the default sound card, would be great.. realy, its a problem in nearly every distro
[03:12] <`Nomad> I've decided to take the jump and upgrade to breezy..  What do I need to do, update the sources file to breezy first?  An dthe run apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:12] <asraniel> Tm_T: i suppose i should write there /dev/dsp1 ? but it tells me that there is no such file/directory. in konki i can see the file.. hmm..
[03:12] <kairu0> nomad: its probably a good idea to backup too. doesnt always go easily
[03:13] <`Nomad> Backed up everything
[03:13] <`Nomad> :)
[03:13] <kairu0> okay then give you should be ok
[03:13] <`Nomad> Actually, I wonder if I shouldn't downlod the CD and do a fresh install
[03:13] <kairu0> thats the best option
[03:14] <kairu0> i have one here, maybe i can throw it to you
[03:14] <`Nomad> lol
[03:14] <kairu0> i'd give you a 50% chance of getting a satisfying kubuntu with an upgrade
[03:14] <kairu0> 90% with a fresh install
[03:14] <`Nomad> really?
[03:14] <`Nomad> ok
[03:14] <kairu0> 95% if you fresh install and give me a massage
[03:14] <`Nomad> lol
[03:15] <rikva|laptop> I just screwed up my hoary when trying to upgrade...
[03:15] <`Nomad> I'll have to realllly think about that
[03:15] <rikva|laptop> just did a fresh install
[03:15] <`Nomad> I've been meaning to break down my partitioning anyway, I let Kubuntu on auto the first time I guess and have everything in one part. 
[03:15] <`Nomad> I want at least my /home to eb separate
[03:16] <kairu0> Nomad i have a main partition and a 'library' partition that has all my data. i'd recommend it
[03:17] <rikva|laptop> what is the new "HP Printing and Imaging System"/
[03:17] <`Nomad> yes, sounds good
[03:20] <melkart> the release candidate is still likely to be changed before final release, isnt it?
[03:21] <kairu0> yes
[03:21] <melkart> tx
[03:21] <kairu0> more than likely even
[03:21] <kairu0> no adding, but lots of updating
[03:22] <`Nomad> Should I wait or is it mostly up to speed already anyway?  There shouldn't be any major bugs by now right?
[03:22] <robin> ok syncing works, although only calendar
[03:22] <robin> `Nomad: you can always update
[03:22] <`Nomad> exactly
[03:22] <robin> `Nomad: i'm running RC1, and it's working great
[03:23] <robin> even my old usb scanner suddently worked :D
[03:23] <`Nomad> robin:  It'll be fun, figuring out where to re-download all the baghira theme stuff :)
[03:23] <robin> `Nomad: yeah
[03:24] <robin> `Nomad: i like the plastick stuff
[03:24] <`Nomad> yeah, it's good to have options.. Long Live Linux!!
[03:25] <macavity> yes.. it *is* quite a versatile kernel, isn't it ;)
[03:26] <robin> i'm really amazed that all my hardware works 
[03:26] <robin> phone,scanner,printer,sound,graphics really cool.
[03:26] <`Nomad> It must feel awesome, being linus torvald and seeing where his initial project ended up :)
[03:26] <robin> hehe yes
[03:27] <mrplant> yep
[03:27] <mrplant> i'm really proud of myself
[03:27] <Hobbsee> definetly
[03:27] <macavity> from the feel i have of him, i think he is focusing much more on how to make it better, then dwelling on how good it actually is :)
[03:28] <mrplant> ;>
[03:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:28] <Hobbsee> didnt think so
[03:28] <Hobbsee> wasnt seeing the name via private chat
[03:29] <`Nomad> hehe
[03:29] <Hobbsee> and i'm darn sure you would be part of one of the devel channels if you were, and you obviously arent part of them
[03:29] <`Nomad> How big is the DVD, I was thinking of getting that instead of the CD
[03:32] <Tm_T> asraniel: pong
[03:32] <asraniel> Tm_T: ping
[03:33] <Tm_T> ok
[03:33] <Tm_T> asraniel: I think it's like hwd:0 , hwd:1 etc
[03:33] <asraniel> Tm_T; my problem is still here, i dont know what the device name is that i should write there..
[03:33] <asraniel> oh.. ok..
[03:33] <Tm_T> I'm not sure though
[03:33] <Lathiat> its hw:0, hw:1
[03:34] <asraniel> OMG! it works :-D
[03:34] <Tm_T> yes
[03:34] <Tm_T> Lathiat: thanks :)
[03:34] <Tm_T> asraniel: it's ok now?
[03:34] <asraniel> thank you!!! but why is there not just a simple list where you can chose your soundcard? would be much simpler and not difficult to code..
[03:35] <asraniel> Tm_T: yes it works :-)
[03:35] <Tm_T> asraniel: good good, and yes, there's a place for improvenment
[03:36] <asraniel> now only 2 problems are left. no usb, dont know why, i dont have USB with mandriva either, but with windows i have (at least i think, its a long time i have no more windows on this pc)
[03:36] <asraniel> Tm_T: perhaps i will put it on the wishlist on bugs.kde.org
[03:36] <Tm_T> asraniel: please do :)
[03:36] <macavity> uhm... technically its because the proper backend is missing...
[03:37] <macavity> it would be braindamaged if KDE implemented "its own device manager", rather then a front-end to the would-be-in-common-use
[03:37] <Tm_T> yu
[03:38] <Tm_T> I think there will be better approach in KDE4
[03:38] <asraniel> and my other problem is that the dhcp server always overides the dns servers i set manualy... thats a big problem for me, sadly there is no checkbox like in mandriva where i can say that i dont want the dns servers from the dhcp but that i keep my own
[03:39] <macavity> asraniel: you can set them manually in /etc/resolv.conf
[03:39] <asraniel> macavity: sure, but they get overwritten on every reboot, already tried that
[03:39] <macavity> just add "nameserver n.n.n.n" in the first line
[03:40] <macavity> make it read only ;-)
[03:40] <asraniel> doesent work either
[03:40] <macavity> what?!?
[03:40] <asraniel> macavity: at least under mandriva
[03:40] <Lathiat> are there any good media payers for kde?
[03:40] <asraniel> macavity: i never tried it under kubuntu, but i think it will be the same
[03:40] <Lathiat> or shoudl i stick with totem :)
[03:41] <macavity> well.. mandriva has a lot of "we want to deside for you"-ism.. like "that other OS you-know" :P
[03:41] <m_tadeu> something about usplash...i installed kubuntu-artwork-usplash....shouldn't I get a kubuntu splash screen at boot time?
[03:41] <robin> m_tadeu: you have in breezy
[03:41] <m_tadeu> yap
[03:42] <macavity> asraniel: you could look at the boot script for the net, and append the switches that makes the dhcp client not poll dns?
[03:42] <Lathiat> m-fox: you need to run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[03:42] <macavity> asraniel: its probably ugly.. but it should work
[03:42] <m_tadeu> robin_: i'm using breezy :P
[03:42] <robin> m_tadeu: i meant, than you allready should have the kubuntu usplash
[03:42] <robin> m_tadeu: at least I got it in RC1
[03:43] <robin> m_tadeu: maybe a dist-upgrade?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: i use amarok, have a look in your multimedia menu and pick the one that takes your fancy.
[03:43] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: video, not music :)
[03:43] <Lathiat> amarok is good
[03:43] <Lathiat> kaffeine crashes hopelessly
[03:44] <m_tadeu> robin_: i've been updating all packages since the preview release
[03:44] <user0> is there 3.5 beta1 kde kubuntu live cd out?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah, media players...i would class that as both video and music
[03:44] <Hobbsee> user0: possibly, i dont think so
[03:44] <Hobbsee> user0: what were you wanting it for?
[03:45] <user0> oh ok Hobbsee. i want it to download it and use it
[03:45] <robin> m_tadeu: hmm, strange. 
[03:45] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: maybe noatun?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> user0: are you already on kubuntu?
[03:45] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: i'll try that
[03:45] <user0> nope
[03:45] <Hobbsee> what are you on?
[03:45] <user0> windows
[03:45] <m_tadeu> robin_: is there a config file where I can change it?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> user0: grab the RC breezy kubuntu cd
[03:46] <Hobbsee> then you can upgrade from there to kde 3.5 beta
[03:46] <user0> i think that is 3.4 something
[03:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, 3.4.2
[03:46] <user0> oh?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> well, when you install it properly, you can
[03:46] <user0> the updates will stay on disk or what
[03:46] <Hobbsee> not from the live cd
[03:47] <user0> ohhhh
[03:47] <Hobbsee> where's my brain tonight lol
[03:47] <Hobbsee> user0: no, they wont stay on the livecd
[03:47] <robin> m_tadeu: I don't know, but it's kinda a bug as it should be changed by upgrading I think..
[03:47] <Hobbsee> livecd makes no changes to your hard disk, or the cd itself
[03:47] <user0> i see
[03:47] <user0> i know that knoppix is able to save all your settings to hd
[03:47] <drazzib> hello all
[03:48] <user0> which is preetty nifty
[03:48] <Hobbsee> user0: is it?  not sure why you'd want to - what if you screwed it up?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hi drazzib
[03:48] <user0> screwed what up?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> user0: you'd hardly want to start customising your system with a live cd
[03:48] <drazzib> i'm currently trying kubuntu 5.10 rc and i'm experiencing problem with my ipw2200
[03:48] <Hobbsee> linux in general, deleted folders you didnt want to delete, etc
[03:49] <Hobbsee> the possibilities are endless lol
[03:49] <user0> well you can change all your kde configurations and whatnot to save for later. actualyl i think it's quite useful
[03:49] <PtitOurs> Hi
[03:49] <Hobbsee> true, that would be
[03:50] <user0> thats if u use the livecd a lot when installing isnt an option
[03:50] <Hobbsee> but imagine that you did screw something up, say you managed to uninstall kubuntu-desktop, and were dropped at a command prompt - you certinally wouldnt want to save that session!
[03:50] <Hobbsee> true
[03:50] <drazzib> my wireless link seems really agnostic  with ubuntu :(
[03:50] <user0> oh no, it doesnt auto save
[03:50] <Hobbsee> installing is faster though, ie the system runs faster
[03:50] <drazzib> wich version of iwp2200 is included in ubuntu ?
[03:51] <user0> its also nice you can save your optoins onto say a usb keychain so the next time your hd gets b0rked you at least have a nice customized kde 
[03:51] <Hobbsee> true
[03:52] <user0> yeah installing is always a better choice when its available
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nothign would technically stop you from doing that with kubuntu cd either, if you knew what to save
[03:52] <Hobbsee> the hidden files in your home drive, which you can unhide with konqueror
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ipw2200?  what's that?
[03:52] <user0> yeah it's fairly simple procedure to just copy the directories or whatever. it's just automated and made easy is all really
[03:53] <drazzib> ipw2200 is the intel centrino wireless driver 
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ah, here
[03:54] <user0> lots of ppl in here. so kubuntu is really good or what?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[03:54] <Hobbsee> that might help
[03:55] <Hobbsee> user0: seen the ubuntuforums.org?
[03:55] <user0> nope
[03:55] <Hobbsee> there's a really good guide in there in the beginners section
[03:55] <drazzib> thanks hobbsee
[03:55] <Hobbsee> it's the first on the list, and is entitled something like "is ubuntu for me"
[03:55] <Hobbsee> you might want to check it out :)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> drazzib: no problems
[03:55] <drazzib> but i know how to install a new ipw2200 from source
[03:56] <Hobbsee> and it's a very good resource
[03:56] <drazzib> i'm looking for a way to find why this driver doesn't work in the default install
[03:56] <Hobbsee> drazzib: nothing's stopping you from doing that, assumign you know how to make it work
[03:57] <drazzib> hobbsee> yes ;)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> good question, got no clue of the answer
[04:00] <m_tadeu> I'm having problems on setting my webcam....don't know how to put it to work...
[04:00] <Hobbsee> !webcam
[04:00] <Hobbsee> !tell m_tadeu about webcam
[04:01] <rikva|laptop> Adept keeps saying I don't run it as root
[04:01] <rikva|laptop> But I am using kdesu/sudo
[04:02] <rikva|laptop> ah fixed, it was still running crashed
[04:02] <Hobbsee> do you then put in your password for it?
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[04:04] <m_tadeu> Hobbsee: I was trying first with gnomemeeting, then with xawtv and camorama...don't realy known what the problem can be...the kernel detected it 'cos the driver is there, but.....
[04:05] <Hobbsee> checked google?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> a lot of people document their problems on there, and are found by searching
[04:06] <Hobbsee> try googling the brand and model of the webcam, followed by linux
[04:07] <m_tadeu> i checked some of them..none of the solutions seem to aply...most of them is that the device is not detected
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:08] <Hobbsee> is kde detecting it, as part of media in konqueror?
[04:08] <m_tadeu> nop
[04:09] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering if it was actually detected or not
[04:09] <m_tadeu> let me check
[04:10] <m_tadeu> usbcore               117884  4 sn9c102,usbhid,uhci_hcd
[04:10] <robin> hmm, when I try to share on of my folders, I get the message 'Make sure the Perl script 'fileshareset' is set suid root
[04:10] <m_tadeu> using lsmod....sn9c102 is the webcam, i guess
[04:11] <Hobbsee> sounds like that's the driver, but i wouldnt really have a clue
[04:11] <Hobbsee> havent tried using a webcam in a long while, only on windows
[04:12] <m_tadeu> first time for me ;)
[04:13] <m_tadeu> well, I'll keep looking...thanx :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> wish i could help more
[04:14] <m_tadeu> mmm...do you know how to change the usplah image?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> !usplash
[04:15] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Hobbsee
[04:15] <Hobbsee> check kde-look.org - i think they have some there, and if they do, they will have instructions on how to use them
[04:16] <m_tadeu> oki
[04:19] <libben> is there any problems if i install ubuntu-artwork?
[04:19] <libben> or is it just for gnome?
[04:22] <rikva|laptop> what repository should I add in Breezy to get the w32codecs ?
[04:23] <libben> universe i think
[04:24] <rikva|laptop> i have universe enabled
[04:31] <satafterh> i just looked for update and it looks like kde 3.4.3 is available, is this a stable release??
[04:32] <satafterh> anyone here??
[04:32] <mornfall> w32codecs are non-free
[04:32] <satafterh> they where free to me lol
[04:33] <satafterh> marnfall you still here
[04:33] <satafterh> is anyone here
[04:34] <frank23> rikva|laptop: still here?
[04:34] <m_tadeu> kde didn't report any news, but is should be a stable release
[04:34] <frank23> It will be in breezy, so it should be stable
[04:34] <satafterh> have you installed it
[04:35] <frank23> I'm installing it right now, but I thought it was a minor release...
[04:35] <m_tadeu> downloading :)
[04:35] <EricCartman> default repositories don't have mplayer ?
[04:35] <rikva|laptop> frank23: yes
[04:35] <frank23> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:36] <rikva|laptop> thanks
[04:36] <mornfall> EricCartman: no, only marillat aka debian-illegal
[04:36] <mornfall> EricCartman: (mplayer has violated copyright laws -- several times)
[04:36] <EricCartman> mornfall: you're everwhere aren't you.
[04:36] <EricCartman> mornfall: how can I add that repository
[04:36] <mornfall> EricCartman: what were the minor adept bugs?
[04:36] <rikva|laptop> where is libdvdcss?
[04:37] <EricCartman> mornfall: it didN't update dependencies in the preview when Iremoved items
[04:37] <mornfall> EricCartman: that's not completely a bug -- it's... well :)
[04:37] <EricCartman> ;)
[04:37] <mornfall> EricCartman: corner-case, which needs to be solved
[04:37] <mornfall> EricCartman: anything else?
[04:37] <satafterh> 3.4.3 just bug fixes does any one know or are there new toy to play with
[04:38] <EricCartman> and I believe repository manager should be a seperate dialog (window) don't you think so
[04:38] <mornfall> EricCartman: no
[04:38] <mornfall> EricCartman: why?
[04:38] <EricCartman> well gigantic three button at the bottom seems weird
[04:38] <mornfall> EricCartman: gigantic?
[04:38] <mornfall> EricCartman: i could add a spacer somewhere for sure
[04:38] <mornfall> EricCartman: will see
[04:38] <Lathiat> ok I installed RC, is it just me or is kmail not in the menu anywhere
[04:38] <EricCartman> yep, they occupy whole horizontal space at the bottom, looks like they belong to seperate window, but that's just my taste
[04:39] <mornfall> EricCartman: well -- what is the benefit of a separate window? (it's obviously clutter, so it better be for a good reason)
[04:39] <rikva|laptop> Lathiat: kontact
[04:40] <EricCartman> mornfall: I'm not asking for a new window particularly, it's just that "repository manager" seems like it's not being embedded or something.
[04:40] <EricCartman> mornfall: I would use tabs view
[04:41] <EricCartman> the GUI is not very common, so it feels weird at first, but I liked it
[04:41] <EricCartman> But I believe advanced search stuff must be hidden at first
[04:41] <Lathiat> rikva|laptop: ah i see
[04:41] <EricCartman> and list must have maximum possible space
[04:41] <Lathiat> rikva|laptop: not very o bvious :) something should be done about that
[04:41] <mornfall> brb-
[04:42] <satafterh> there is only one thing i miss about xp and that is winamp and shout cast tv
[04:43] <satafterh> people not very chaty in here today, but i notice there is a 126 people in here and the most i have seen, kubuntu is growing, lol
[04:45] <satafterh> what should i add to my source lit to update mplayer, or is mplayer not updated very often
[04:45] <frank23> satafterh: there are very good music players in ubuntu! try amarok and streamtuner
[04:46] <mornfall> back
[04:46] <mornfall> EricCartman: "must"?
[04:46] <satafterh> not the music player it self i miss its the streeming video, old tv shows
[04:46] <mornfall> EricCartman: you don't have a real chance to overlook more than about a dozen items...
[04:47] <mornfall> EricCartman: and you generally want nontrivial amount of filtering when looking for something, anyway
[04:47] <satafterh> I am going to restart just finished 3.4.3
[04:47] <EricCartman> mornfall: yep, true. but it confused me the firs time I launched it. 
[04:47] <mornfall> EricCartman: the filters are however collapsible for a reason
[04:47] <EricCartman> mornfall: almost 90% of the time use just qucik filter
[04:47] <mrplant> what is the best app 
[04:47] <mrplant> to configure
[04:47] <mrplant> gtk 1.2
[04:47] <mrplant> apps?
[04:48] <mornfall> EricCartman: sure, but you are not everyone -- and when "looking for software", many people will probably resort to tags
[04:48] <EricCartman> mornfall: well, I prefer simpler config dialogs ... and advanced dialogs if I need them. That's my opinion.
[04:49] <mornfall> EricCartman: i'll probably make it more obvious for 2.0, with tag stuff moving to a (hidable) sidebar, with d&d of tags into the filter view
[04:49] <twinoatl> hi
[04:50] <user0> is there a live/install image that fits on one cd?
[04:50] <twinoatl> it seems that dma is not installed on my dvd-burner. What is the ubuntu-way of configuring it ?
[04:50] <mornfall> twinoatl: hdparm <dvd-device> to see what's its state
[04:51] <twinoatl> twinoatl@pcdam:~$ sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda
[04:51] <twinoatl> /dev/hda:
[04:51] <twinoatl>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[04:52] <mornfall> twinoatl: tough luck :-)
[04:52] <mornfall> (no idea how to enable it)
[04:52] <m_tadeu> try this on the /etc/hdpard.conf
[04:52] <m_tadeu> /dev/hdc {
[04:52] <m_tadeu>  dma = on 
[04:52] <m_tadeu>  #interrupt_unmask = on
[04:52] <m_tadeu>  #io32_support = 1
[04:52] <m_tadeu> }
[04:52] <mornfall> i mean, apart from hdparm -d1 :-))
[04:52] <mornfall> ah ah
[04:52] <twinoatl> does hdparm -d1 save the value somewhere ?
[04:53] <m_tadeu> sorry...remove the lines with #
[04:53] <m_tadeu> copy/paste from mine :D
[04:53] <mornfall> yeah, what m_tadeu says
[04:54] <twinoatl> ok, I will edit the file then
[04:54] <m_tadeu> it'll be enabled on the next boot
[04:54] <twinoatl> with hda instead of hdc
[04:55] <PtitOurs> is there a wiki or thread to help for installing ATI drivers ?
[04:55] <m_tadeu> well depends on the hd where your cd is but it should be that
[04:55] <twinoatl> it is :-)
[04:57] <twinoatl> can somebody point me to a website explaining cool'n quiet and how to install it ?
[04:58] <bdmp>  I got a network set up with this kubuntu and two windows boxes and is great, but I can't I don't have permission to write to the drive of the linux box while using the windows box. Can someone tell me how to fix this?
[05:02] <PtitOurs> exploretofs is a prog to write on linux drives
[05:02] <Lathiat> theres a better program
[05:03] <Lathiat> IFS *tries to remember the website*
[05:04] <Lathiat> www.fs-driver.org
[05:04] <Lathiat> works very well
[05:05] <gdh> Lathiat: I think bdmp's problem is with Samba and UNIX permissions for the windows clients..
[05:05] <Lathiat> gdh: oh, sorry
[05:05] <satafterh> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_2to3_4_3.php
[05:07] <gdh> Lathiat: However, thanks for that fs-driver link - I didn't know such progress had been made - thought it was all still readonly from Windows on ext2 :)
[05:07] <Lathiat> gdh: yeh, that one is really good, and rock solid
[05:07] <gdh> It certainly nullifies the need for NTFS on Linux :)
[05:08] <bdmp> I think that is the problem too. I set up the network throught the gui tools so i am not really sure how to get in there and commando line it.
[05:08] <gdh> at the minor expense of having to store gigs of NTFS data temporarily while the partition is re-created as ext2 :)
[05:08] <twinoatl> can somebody point me to a website explaining cool'n quiet and how to install it ?
[05:08] <Lathiat> bdmp: so, if you run 'smbpasswd -a <username>' on a terminal
[05:08] <Lathiat> bdmp: you can then login and get to you rhome directory
[05:08] <Lathiat> via a windows share
[05:08] <Lathiat> no idea if kde has a gui to do that or something
[05:09] <gdh> bdmp: Same thing here, I've not used the UI tools for easy network sharing ...
[05:10] <Lathiat> theres a gnome tool
[05:11] <bdmp> I am a little confused. I do the command on the linux machine and then I can what?
[05:11] <Lathiat> bdmp: if you browse to the linux box from a windows machine, kyou can then login with your user/pass on the linux box an get your homedirectory
[05:11] <Lathiat> not sure how to make windows ask you for a user/pass to login
[05:12] <bdmp> I can I have full access to the linux box from the windows machine already I just can't write files
[05:12] <Lathiat> oh
[05:12] <Lathiat> right
[05:12] <Lathiat> in your homedir?
[05:12] <Lathiat> or some other share you added?
[05:12] <bdmp> I shared another directory
[05:12] <Lathiat> ok
[05:12] <Lathiat> in the config file
[05:12] <Lathiat> or with a tool?
[05:12] <bdmp> tool
[05:13] <Lathiat> which one?
[05:13] <bdmp> I just want write permission
[05:13] <bdmp> tool
[05:13] <Lathiat> which tool
[05:13] <bdmp> with the gui tools
[05:13] <bdmp> um
[05:13] <Lathiat> tell me what you clicked to load that gui tool up
[05:13] <satafterh> where to get mplayer updates, or source to add to source list
[05:13] <Lathiat> satafterh: what do you need an mplayer update for?
[05:13] <BulletXt> hi can someone tell me in what kubuntu is bettes than ubuntu and viceversa?
[05:13] <Lathiat> it ishould be relatively up to date
[05:14] <satafterh> because I would like to keep upto date, dont you?
[05:14] <Lathiat> bdmp: well, if you edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and put "writeable = yes" under the section for yoru share... i have no idea how to do it with the tools or whatever
[05:15] <bdmp> system>internet and network> samaba, local network browsing, and samba
[05:15] <bdmp> I just messed with thoes till i got it to work
[05:15] <bdmp> I learned in windows so i am way more comfortable in a gui
[05:16] <m_tadeu> is there a config file to change the usplash image?
[05:16] <bdmp> cool
[05:16] <bdmp> thanks
[05:18] <bdmp> there is a section that says 'write list' and it says =root
[05:18] <bdmp> can I put guest there?
[05:20] <twinoatl> what does this means : "powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB or ACPI _PSS objects" please
[05:21] <bdmp> What does "write list - root" in the /etc/samba/smb.conf file mean?
[05:21] <satafterh> http://www.giannaros.org/tor/bt/ for w32codec 
[05:25] <bdmp> If I transfer files with the gui and it says "complete 176/180 folders" is there a way for me to see the errors and what files didn't transfer?
[05:26] <satafterh> is there a weather tool for linux, I know there is kweather but  i do not want to waste any more time trying to get it to work
[05:34] <EricCartman> dvd writing fails (apparenty due to makeisofs) with a fresh breezy install :/
[05:34] <EricCartman> wasted two dvds
[05:34] <user0> man that sux EricCartman
[05:35] <user0> im still debating with myself which cd iso to download to try kubuntu out.. the live or the install cd
[05:35] <EricCartman> which distro are you using now
[05:36] <user0> i use gentoo on my main machine
[05:36] <EricCartman> well, gentoo is a good distribution
[05:36] <EricCartman> if you're using fc4 or anything like that I'd suggest you to donwload the install CD and install it right away ;)
[05:37] <user0> i know knoppix only had 1 cd for both live and install so that was an easy choice back when i tried it. now, i'm worried about wasting a cd too
[05:37] <rikva> I want to install Mplayer, but I need "libdirectfb-0.9-20" for that. It is not in the repositories - what to do?
[05:38] <EricCartman> well, if that was gentoo you'd do USE="-directfb" ;)
[05:38] <rikva> fine, this is an kubuntu channel ;)
[05:38] <EricCartman> rikva: trying to install mplayer from another repository and it has a dependency whch is not on any of the repos you have ?
[05:38] <rikva> EricCartman: correct, the marrilat repository
[05:40] <EricCartman> hmm, that ain't good, in my opinion, if a  third party repo is providing a package it should provide it's deps too, or make sure official repo has the dep
[05:40] <rikva> it's a little uncompatible
[05:40] <rikva> fscking legal stuff
[05:45] <rikva> and I can't find mozilla-mplayer
[05:45] <rem_> hey.. i have a question .. If I dist upgrade will it keep the programs I installed manually (like nvu...) ..?
[05:46] <apokryphos> you shouldn't really use the marillat repository
[05:46] <rem_> from hoary to breezer next week ..
[05:46] <apokryphos> ubuntu differs quite a bit from it now... using it could break your system
[05:46] <rikva> apokryphos: what should I use else?
[05:46] <rikva> apokryphos: the wiki says i should
[05:46] <apokryphos> rikva: ...for?
[05:47] <rikva> apokryphos: mplayer, libdvdcss2, flash, etcetera
[05:47] <apokryphos> they're all in multiverse or hoary-extras
[05:47] <apokryphos> !info mplayer-386
[05:47] <ubotu> mplayer-386: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3499 kB, Installed size: 7592 kB
[05:47] <apokryphos> which page tells you to use marillat?
[05:48] <rikva> apokryphos: i activated those repositories and did an apt-get update, but I still can't find mplayer
[05:48] <rem_> apt-cache search libdirectfb
[05:48] <rem_> libdirectfb-0.9-20 - frame buffer graphics library
[05:48] <rem_> it is there ..
[05:48] <rikva> apokryphos: this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-d93d2c4f9433a699fe995b94eae1be4d3c136315
[05:48] <rem_> u juste need universe or multiverse ..
[05:48] <apokryphos> evidently you didn't do it correctly -- as ubotu notes, mplayer is right there.
[05:48] <rem_> maybe ..
[05:49] <rikva> I uncommented all the lines
[05:49] <rikva> I use breezy btw
[05:49] <apokryphos> rikva: pastebin your sources.list then
[05:49] <rikva> ok
[05:49] <rem_> hey.. i have a question .. If I dist upgrade will it keep the programs I installed manually (like nvu...) ..?
[05:49] <apokryphos> yes
[05:49] <rem_> ok thx
[05:50] <apokryphos> whether they'll work isn't entirely guaranteed though
[05:50] <rem_> lol.. ok i might have to resintall some then ... :P
[05:50] <rem_> @+
[05:51] <StarScream> hi guys, have a g3 ibook. Sleep normally doesn't work...then for a little while it did in breezy. Then i did an apt-get update /upgrade and now it doesn't :(
[05:51] <StarScream> is this likely to be fixed before breezy is released
[05:51] <StarScream> if not, can i go back to the old working snapshot?
[05:53] <rikva> apokryphos: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/388195
[05:53] <apokryphos> erm, so you didn't actually add multiverse or hoary-extras...
[05:53] <apokryphos> !repositories
[05:53] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[05:54] <rikva> I didn't?
[05:54] <apokryphos> evidently not
[05:56] <rikva> apokryphos: does hoary-extras work with breezy?
[05:56] <apokryphos> depends on what for... for dvd-things I'd presume so, yes
[05:56] <apokryphos> if you're looking for w32codecs then go to giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/ as it was taken out of hoary-extras
[05:57] <rikva> I already got w32codecs from marillat :|
[05:57] <apokryphos> not sure if that one in particular will give problems, but hey..
[05:57] <rikva> ok, still no mplayer
[05:58] <gdh> nah sure it's just .dlls in /usr/lib/win32
[05:58] <apokryphos> rikva: ok, you didn't add multiverse
[05:58] <apokryphos> ok
[06:02] <rikva> aaaaaaaah thanks apokryphos 
[06:02] <rikva> i should've known that earlier
[06:05] <rikva> apokryphos: the problem is that the wiki is ubuntu-specific, the adding repositories part doesn't apply to Kubuntu
[06:05] <apokryphos> rikva: not really; you're given an example sources.list
[06:06] <apokryphos> (with both of the repositories I mentioned)
[06:06] <rikva> apokryphos: I know :) but that's not in the wiki
[06:06] <apokryphos> there'll be a guide soon for adding repositories with adept in the official documentation, I'm sure
[06:06] <rikva> :)
[06:07] <libben> isnt it easy to add resp without adept =)
[06:07] <libben> just edit the sources manually
[06:07] <libben> and reload in adept.
[06:07] <rikva> I don't use adept
[06:07] <libben> me either
[06:07] <rikva> I use apt manually, sometimes synaptic
[06:07] <rikva> when i'm lazy ;)
[06:07] <libben> havent tried it yet! /me feels abit ashamed
[06:07] <apokryphos> I use apt manually, sometimes kpackage
[06:07] <Chousuke> adept?
[06:08] <apokryphos> !adept
[06:08] <ubotu> Adept (successor of Kapture) is a package manager for Kubuntu. See http://web.ekhis.org/adept.html
[06:08] <libben> using synaptic all the times, unless i know what im really getting
[06:08] <Chousuke> oh gods.
[06:08] <libben> i like to allways check out the dependecis in a gui
[06:08] <Chousuke> yet another package manager :D
[06:08] <apokryphos> Chousuke: to be fair, there isn't one that's close to being ideal unfortunately
[06:09] <Chousuke> Yeah
[06:09] <Chousuke> That add/remove programs thing in Ubuntu is what people need.
[06:09] <libben> apokryphos: what is missing in synaptic
[06:10] <apokryphos> libben: Qt
[06:10] <apokryphos> though, I don't think the UI is perfect
[06:11] <libben> Qr ?
[06:11] <apokryphos> though, looking at it now, how do you see the changelog via synaptic?
[06:11] <libben> Qt ?
[06:11] <libben> that is
[06:11] <rikva> synaptic is by far the best of all graphical package managers
[06:11] <apokryphos> I prefer KPackage
[06:11] <libben> what is Qt?
[06:11] <apokryphos> :/
[06:11] <rikva> !qt 
[06:11] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[06:13] <libben> hmm
[06:13] <libben> think i have that allready
[06:13] <libben> gonna check
[06:14] <apokryphos> think you have Qt? Err, you wouldn't have any KDE without it, really.
[06:15] <libben> =)
[06:15] <nikkia> arghhhhh!
[06:16] <apokryphos> hola hola
[06:16] <tenco> hi! when i look at pdf-files generated with pdflatex with kpdf or xpdf, they look really ugly. but when i print them out, they look pretty!
[06:17] <tenco> how can i fix kpdf/xpdf?
[06:17] <rikva> bah i need Flash 8 for this site
[06:24] <inc|freaky> hi all. doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade today showed that kdemultimedia and kdenetwork kdepim and others are beeing held back. im running breezy with kde3.5beta1 ... did any1 upgrade them by hand? 
[06:25] <mornfall> Chousuke: good you know what people need (unfortunately, you are wrong, since add/remove programs in ubuntu sucks utterly)
[06:25] <Chousuke> mornfall: Then they need to make it not suck, since it's what people need. :P
[06:26] <Chousuke> It's an easy click-click categorised frontend to installing commonly used apps.
[06:26] <mornfall> Chousuke: heh
[06:26] <mornfall> Chousuke: commonly used apps should be all installed already
[06:27] <Chousuke> Well, not-so-commonly-used-but-often-enough apps then.
[06:28] <mornfall> Chousuke: how do you define that?
[06:29] <Chousuke> mornfall: That is a problem indeed.
[06:29] <mornfall> Chousuke: (you sound like getting software searching right was trivial -- i'd suggest you go ahead and do it, then)
[06:29] <Sgep> KDE 3.4.3?
[06:29] <Chousuke> it could include games, for example
[06:29] <mornfall> heh
[06:29] <Sgep> What's new in KDE 3.4.3?
[06:30] <mornfall> yeah, now, that gives a really good idea how the software manager should look like
[06:30] <Chousuke> mornfall: my point was, synaptic still looks a bit intimidating.
[06:30] <mornfall> Sgep: probably just bugfixes
[06:30] <inc|freaky> kann man von kde3.5beta1 auf kde3.4.3 downgraden?
[06:30] <Chousuke> inc|freaky: I don't speak german, but now.
[06:30] <Chousuke> no*
[06:31] <mornfall> of course you can... but it'll be a bit more complicated :)
[06:31] <inc|freaky> is it possible to downgrade von kde3.5beta1 to 3.4.3?
[06:31] <inc|freaky> how to do that?
[06:31] <mornfall> inc|freaky: move away all your .kde dirs, etc, first
[06:31] <Chousuke> remove KDE packages manually and install the older nes. 
[06:31] <mornfall> inc|freaky: then uninstall all of kde, remove the repository and install
[06:31] <Chousuke> that might work. :P
[06:31] <inc|freaky> omg all my settings will be lost
[06:31] <inc|freaky> i cant do that
[06:32] <mornfall> inc|freaky: there is no downgrade path for conffiles, sorry
[06:32] <mornfall> inc|freaky: (you should of course back them up before installing beta)
[06:32] <Sgep> "<mornfall> inc|freaky: move away all your .kde dirs, etc, first"
[06:32] <inc|freaky> that sucks my kde is looking so nice :(
[06:32] <mornfall> inc|freaky: well, definitely make a copy, if you want to use it again with 3.5
[06:33] <mornfall> inc|freaky: you can try using it with 3.4 again, but expect things to break in various ways
[06:33] <inc|freaky> i think ill stay at kde3.5beta1
[06:35] <robin_2> are the difference between kde3.4.3 and 3.5beta1 significant?
[06:37] <m_tadeu> yep...
[06:41] <Boronk> how do I enable middle-mosuebutton paste in firefox, so that it opens a url?
[06:42] <Boronk> like it was in the good old unix days?
[06:45] <pon> hi
[06:47] <Boronk> am i the only one who annoys this?
[06:48] <user0> doesnt it paste when you middle click the web page / tab?
[06:48] <Boronk> no
[06:48] <Boronk> i found it
[06:48] <user0> bummer
[06:49] <user0> what was it
[06:49] <Boronk> this is fuckin default behavior to make in more windows-complient
[06:49] <Boronk> middlemouse.contentLoadURL
[06:49] <user0> oi!
[06:49] <m0ns00n> Hey
[06:49] <user0> what are they thinking
[06:49] <carlson> I have a problem with Breezy Release Candidate. . . wondering if anyone else has had it. . 
[06:49] <m0ns00n> Is it possible to use the old nvidia drivers with breezy?
[06:49] <m0ns00n> carlson: try me, I'm using it now
[06:49] <Boronk> Its like copy und paste in openoffice
[06:50] <Boronk> too much windows in the developers head
[06:50] <Boronk> btw
[06:50] <m_tadeu> i'm using it too
[06:50] <Boronk> i just converted my powerbox from gentoo
[06:50] <carlson> In the control Panel you have 'Network Cards' and in order to enable or disable  a setting you have to input yourself into adminstrator mode. 
[06:51] <carlson> The Administrator key does not function. . . 
[06:51] <mister_roboto> m0ns00n: lots of people seem to have issues getting the old drivers to compile in breezy
[06:52] <mister_roboto> m0ns00n: i was just talking to a guy last night and the driver had a syntax error trying to compile on breezy
[06:52] <robin_2> carlson: works here
[06:52] <robin_2> carlson: have you entered the password?
[06:52] <robin_2> carlson: sometime it seems the dialog is not showed.
[06:52] <carlson> you can't enter the password. . . .
[06:53] <robin_2> try again, by closing the settings panel.
[06:53] <carlson> This has also happened on previous beta versions of Breezy
[06:53] <robin_2> carlson: I'm up2date, and now problems with it.
[06:53] <robin_2> *no
[06:54] <carlson> You have problems also with it?
[06:54] <robin_2> carlson: nope
[06:55] <m0ns00n> mister_roboto: I had trouble in Hoary as well, so I got the drivers from Warty, but then I needed the warty kernel as well
[06:55] <carlson> It baffles me. . ...
[06:55] <m0ns00n> mister_roboto: So I wonder, they still didn't care for us Geforce users in Ubuntu, and we still need to use Warty elements in Breezy?
[06:55] <robin_2> my sound stutters when I start a program.. 
[06:56] <robin_2> so it stutters while there is hdd activity
[06:56] <robin_2> anoying.
[06:57] <robin_2> btw what is gam_server?
[06:57] <robin_2> it eats 56% of my 1GB ram.
[06:57] <carlson> It's strange that this has happened on this newest Release Candidate and previous beta releases. ... 
[06:57] <robin_2> yes
[06:58] <m0ns00n> carlson: The sound issue is here as well, on this hoary box
[06:58] <robin_2> carlson: did you update ? or a clean install of RC1?
[06:58] <carlson> It also has the same problem when you try to get into Kwifi
[06:58] <carlson> RC1 was a clean install
[06:59] <carlson> My wifi card works beautifully in Ubuntu. . . .
[06:59] <robin_2> wtf, why does the sound don't have high priority..
[06:59] <robin_2> it should run real-time.
[07:00] <carlson> The specific problem is that the software won't let you input in the adminstrator mode changes to enable or disable the network cards it finds. . . .
[07:00] <robin_2> carlson: so you get in admin mode
[07:00] <robin_2> carlson: but can't change the enable/disable/
[07:00] <robin_2> ?
[07:01] <carlson> No I can't enter adminstrator mode. .  .it won't allow input of a password. . . .
[07:01] <robin_2> hmm my kubuntu is crashing..
[07:01] <robin_2> it stutters continusly
[07:03] <kkathman> Good Day all :)
[07:03] <robin_2> nice no i can't close any programms
[07:03] <robin_2> *now
[07:03] <robin_2> hmm.. :/
[07:04] <carlson> That's the problem in a nutshell. I can't enable or disable network card settings because adminstrator mode won't allow input of a password. . . .
[07:04] <robin_2> sefaults all the way.. time for reboot.
[07:05] <carlson> Anyone else have this problem???
[07:05] <carlson> By the way I'm using Suse 10 right now (quite a improvement over 9.3). .. 
[07:07] <kkathman> carlson: I could never get SuSE to recognise all my diverse hardware I have ... thats what I liked about Ubuntu :)
[07:08] <carlson> I had Ubuntu on my system the other day. (Release Candidate)It works very well. . .. 
[07:09] <kkathman> I have three diverse boxes. Two of them are older hardware that I would have just tossed out, had I not been able to run Ubuntu on them
[07:09] <carlson> I have another machine (64-bit) with newest hardware. . . .am waiting to put a Linux system on it. . . have to experiment around with them all to find the one that will work the best. 
[07:10] <kkathman> carlson: Yah I have a 64-bit machine also, but its Windows XP-Pro based. 
[07:10] <robin> carlson: i'm also running amd64 version.
[07:11] <carlson> I've got XP on it also. . . .but am waiting to find the perfect Linux candidate to put onto it. . ..
[07:11] <robin> carlson: btw, don't know what the GAM server is for, but it did crashes all my software..
[07:11] <kkathman> carlson: yep Im not sure I know of a perfect Linux to run on 64 right now. Some are better than others, but they are harder to maintain too
[07:12] <robin> carlson: ubuntu runs very well on amd64
[07:12] <robin> carlson: i had also run debian64 for months.. 
[07:12] <carlson> That's why I am waiting and checking out them all. 
[07:13] <carlson> I've had Wifi problems with Sarge Debian and had to drop it completely. . ..
[07:13] <robin> hmm, ubuntu and debian are very similiar
[07:13] <robin> logical since it is based on debian :)
[07:13] <carlson> Had nothing but problems getting Wifi to work in Debian. ...
[07:14] <robin> i dont' think you have to drop a distro because of such problems..
[07:14] <carlson> Well I still have my eyes on it. . . .
[07:14] <rikva> !java
[07:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is to install both 1.4 and Sun Java see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[07:14] <robin> kubuntu is just debian, but than better
[07:14] <carlson> I've tried to use Gentoo and others. . .. alot of problems. . . .
[07:14] <rikva> apokryphos: what was that really good way to install java?
[07:14] <rikva> apokryphos: sun java, that is
[07:15] <robin> I have tried, fedora also and mandrive, but don't like them 
[07:15] <robin> i'm debian-based minded :D
[07:15] <carlson> Redhat and Fedora systems don't support my Wifi
[07:15] <carlson> Tried them to no avail.....
[07:15] <robin> what do you have?
[07:16] <robin> you are using ndiswrapper?
[07:16] <kkathman> yah Fedora is too big to install on some of the hardware I have..and it seems sluggish too
[07:16] <carlson> Believe or not I couldn't get ndiswrapper to work with my windows exe file (I've got a WG311 Netgear Atheros chipset Wifi card. . .)
[07:17] <kkathman> dont like mandriva cuz they are too commerical
[07:17] <rikva> apokryphos: found it
[07:17] <robin> im using ndiswrapper with wpc54g
[07:17] <robin> it works
[07:17] <robin> okay
[07:17] <robin> with debian and ubuntu
[07:17] <Boronk> fucking wpc54g
[07:17] <Boronk> mine has one of the first
[07:17] <Boronk> without wpa support
[07:18] <robin> Boronk really ? I got also an old one, but I even run it with the GS drivers :)
[07:18] <robin> Boronk and wpa also.
[07:19] <robin> I haven't tried breezy on my laptop yet, but does it supports ndiswrapper out-of-the-box?
[07:20] <carlson> Good talking to you guys. . ..got to leave. . . .
[07:20] <robin> cy
[07:20] <robin> a
[07:25] <m_tadeu> i managed to put my webcam to work...installed kdetv and i can seen the image...but its on pink and white...kinda weird, heim
[07:26] <robin> maybe some overlay settings?
[07:26] <m_tadeu> mmm...where can I check that?
[07:37] <m_tadeu> if i change the DAC magnitude, it goes to pink and green :P
[07:39] <bz0b> hey all
[07:42] <jago> hello, can any body remind me what file i need to modify to make kde auto mount a partition
[07:42] <m_tadeu> /etc/fstab
[07:43] <jago> thanks
[07:43] <jago> i had to completely rinstall kubuntu, the dist upgrade messed up every thing and i could not log in any more
[07:44] <m_tadeu> check this site
[07:44] <m_tadeu> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[07:44] <JepZ> hi, do anyone know mondo (the program)? is it a good prog?
[07:47] <jago> thanks it has been a while since i did this the last time the refresher was needed.
[07:49] <macavity> 'lo peeps
[07:50] <inc|freaky> hey macavity :)
[07:51] <penguinboy> when is openoffice 2.0 stable going to be released?
[07:52] <tucoz> Hi, I just recently installed kubuntu breezy. I noticed that some programs are not added to the menu when I install them with apt-get
[07:52] <tucoz> this is for instance pingus and dia.
[07:52] <robin_2> tucoz: did u try to re-logon ?
[07:53] <tucoz> robin_, no :)
[07:54] <tucoz> that might solve it. I didn't think that was needed, as a lot of packages programs are added without a re-logon.
[07:54] <macavity> penguinboy: as soon as they have verified that RC2 is stable enough to be re-tagged as Stable(TM)
[07:54] <robin_2> tucoz: it is just a guess :)
[07:54] <tucoz> ok
[07:54] <penguinboy> and Badger is released stable this coming Friday????
[07:54] <eikke> quick question: when one installs kubuntu on his machine, is GTK installed too?
[07:54] <macavity> penguinboy: it certainly apears so :)
[07:55] <robin_2> probably
[07:55] <robin_2> for openoffice i guess
[07:55] <penguinboy> great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:55] <eikke> robin_2: thanks
[07:55] <macavity> eikke: yup.. GTK is still a must if you dont want a crippled desktop
[07:56] <tucoz> I wonder why the bluetooth stuff is installed in breezy, although I do not have bluetooth on my laptop.
[07:56] <eikke> great
[07:56] <robin_2> tucoz: you can buy bluetooth adapters
[07:56] <robin_2> tucoz: :)
[07:56] <tucoz> and if I try to remove those packages, synaptic tells me it want to remove kde-desktop as well.
[07:57] <tucoz> robin_2: yes, sure, but I am not going to.
[07:57] <robin_2> tucoz: do you need the space?
[07:57] <macavity> tucoz: unfortunately there is no such thing as "lose dependencies" :-/
[07:58] <macavity> lose? loose? luse?
[07:58] <tucoz> No, I don't need the space. (loose)
[07:59] <macavity> it would be nice to have that kind of arangement.. that it installs loose dependencies by default, but will let you remove them if you want
[07:59] <robin_2> can't you force it?
[07:59] <robin_2> although i won't recommend that :)
[07:59] <macavity> me neither
[07:59] <macavity> i think zeroconf will get pissed if it cant load the .so files it needs :P
[08:00] <robin_2> can someone try if he can share a folder with right-clicking on a folder -> share
[08:00] <macavity> they should *really* start getting the habbit of ldopen things instead of linking directly
[08:00] <robin_2> I get still an error message about a perl script that needs to be suid root.
[08:01] <EricCartman> is there high quality additional repositories that we can add ?
[08:01] <tucoz> btw, do you know if it is possible to make kubuntu boot faster if no network is used. It takes a really long time now, when the boot process searches for network
[08:01] <macavity> EricCartman: what do you have in mind?
[08:02] <robin_2> tucoz: you can ctrl+c skip the dchp lookup
[08:02] <EricCartman> well, I'm trying to compile kdelibs, and many things are missing, and apparently those dev packages are missing in official repo, such as bzip2 and openssl 
[08:02] <robin_2> *dhcp
[08:02] <tucoz> robin_2, really? cool. So, when the boot states "searching for network.." I can just ctrl+c?
[08:02] <tucoz> great
[08:02] <EricCartman> and obviously I doN't want to install those by hand
[08:02] <robin_2> tucoz: it worked in hoary
[08:02] <macavity> tucoz: you can append the timeout switch (cant remember the --foobar exactly) to make it stop searching for a dhcp server if it doesnt respond in 1 sec
[08:02] <slomo> does someone know who "Andreas Mussgiller <muszilla@users.sourceforge.net>" is? he packaged kdar and uploaded it to REVU
[08:03] <tucoz> macavity, ok. goodie
[08:03] <robin_2> can some try the part I said about sharing?
[08:03] <tucoz> robin_2: what do you mean?
[08:04] <robin_2> try to share a folder: right click on a folder -> share
[08:04] <robin_2> so it can be shared through samba
[08:04] <robin_2> it gives an error..
[08:04] <macavity> robin_2: which one exactly?
[08:05] <robin_2> macavity: error message?
[08:05] <robin_2> macavity: 
[08:05] <macavity> robin_2: yes, word-for-word, what does it say?
[08:06] <robin_2> macavity: An error occured while trying to share folder '/home/robin/school'. Make sure that the Perl script 'fileshareset' is set suid root.
[08:06] <robin_2> it happens when i check Shared, and than click OK.
[08:07] <macavity> robin_2: find "fileshareset" and see if it exists, if it does, make it suid
[08:08] <robin_2> macavity: chmod +s ?
[08:08] <macavity> uhm.. actually i dont remember :P
[08:08] <macavity> do it from kde under the advanced permissions thingie
[08:09] <robin_2> macavity: hehe ok, but isn't this a bug?
[08:09] <macavity> that depends :P
[08:09] <robin_2> depends on what?
[08:09] <macavity> id say its a security flaw to have scripts run suid...
[08:10] <robin_2> yeah, but this is of course not very user-friendly
[08:10] <macavity> it should be a binary..
[08:10] <robin_2> btw, it seems i can leave the password fields in administrator mode empty.. isn't that weird.
[08:10] <macavity> its way to easy to trick the perl shell into dumping you a suid shell
[08:11] <robin_2> macavity: inform the developers :)
[08:11] <macavity> they know.. trust me.. they know
[08:11] <macavity> im just a very little tiny fish in this lake ;P
[08:12] <robin_2> :)
[08:12] <blueyed> I have "Terminal Sessions Menu" docked in my panel. But there does not pop up the list anymore. Of course I have session in "Configure Konsole".. (Breezy, kde 3.5b1 from kubuntu.org). hints?
[08:12] <robin_2> -rwsr-sr-x  1 root root 10997 2005-10-05 15:40 /usr/bin/fileshareset
[08:12] <robin_2> this is right?
[08:13] <macavity> looks right
[08:13] <robin_2> gives same error.
[08:13] <macavity> but since im at a stinkdoze in an internet cafe i cant check
[08:13] <robin_2> now it's a real bug :D ?
[08:13] <robin_2> hehe
[08:14] <macavity> btw, and you may quote me on this one,: "mIRC sucks mule's bollocks!" :-/
[08:15] <robin_2> :)
[08:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Bersirc or Klient are the way to go if you're using Windows
[08:15] <Chousuke> Bah
[08:15] <Chousuke> Irssi is Universal
[08:16] <robin_2> x-chat
[08:16] <macavity> s/using/being confined to without priviledges/ :-/
[08:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> macavity: Ouch
[08:17] <macavity> so unless someone makes a java-applet which can act as an X client to one of your machines, im pretty stuck ;)
[08:17] <robin_2> you can get out of the cafe
[08:17] <macavity> but what the heck.. in January ill get my own connect
[08:18] <robin_2> lol
[08:18] <robin_2> you don't have internet connection ?
[08:18] <macavity> robin_2: its not much better at school.. we have a 155MBit line.. and a fcsking proxy that will only let me do http and http-representation-of-ftp
[08:19] <macavity> i cant even copy an entire directory.. nooo-nooo.. one file at the time mister!
[08:19] <robin_2> :)
[08:19] <macavity> robin_2: unfortunately not :-/
[08:19] <robin_2> January... long time
[08:20] <macavity> actually not.. the only time i have for IRC'ing is on sundays.. the rest of the week im bussy like all hell was loose
[08:21] <macavity> im doing the equivalent of high-school and the fist year of collage in just 18 months.. so we "keep a steady pace" if you like :P
[08:23] <robin_2> macavity: I should be busy like hell, but i'm not.. not a good thing either.
[08:23] <robin_2> doing University.
[08:23] <macavity> been there, done that ;-)
[08:23] <robin_2> i'm going for Master :)
[08:24] <macavity> thats why im trying to do the shortcut now.. im 28 and i've just begun getting my education
[08:24] <macavity> hehe.. im going for a Master in CS
[08:24] <robin_2> me HMI
[08:24] <robin_2> but
[08:24] <macavity> and if i develop a taste for it, then perhaps a PhD
[08:24] <macavity> whats HMI?
[08:24] <robin_2> yeah and than you never have to work, becasue you will be 80 by than
[08:25] <robin_2> human media interaction
[08:25] <macavity> ah
[08:25] <robin_2> speech technology, AI etc.
[08:25] <macavity> i'll recruit you when i've done my PhD in microkernel/multiserver OSes ;-)
[08:26] <robin_2> hehe :P
[08:26] <robin_2> i probably own already MS and Google by than.
[08:27] <macavity> will there be a MS by then? :P
[08:27] <robin_2> no, right i will change the name.
[08:27] <macavity> butch it and port office to POSIX ;-)
[08:28] <macavity> as GPL naturally
[08:28] <robin_2> sry i have to make money
[08:28] <robin_2> !=GPL
[08:28] <ubotu> robin_2: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[08:28] <robin_2> none nearby, so no.
[08:29] <macavity> they try selling what MS has never been able to sell: "Good Support(TM)"
[08:29] <robin_2> does it make you rich?
[08:29] <macavity> its a misconception that you cant make money on GPL software
[08:29] <robin_2> okay let me refrase it in:  sry i have to make BIG money :)
[08:29] <macavity> Qt sells lofs of support to companies using Qt-GPL in-house
[08:30] <macavity> aaahhh.. the *greed factor* ;-)
[08:30] <robin_2> or.. I have to pay ppl to much money for the buggy software I create
[08:30] <robin_2> *let ppl pay
[08:30] <robin_2> -typo's
[08:31] <macavity> bye
[08:31] <robin|away> brb
[08:56] <bz0b> so what is there to do with a fresh install of kubuntu other then apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get upgrade?
[08:57] <ken> Hello everyone
[08:57] <bz0b> hey ken
[08:57] <bz0b> brb
[08:58] <bz0b> k back, so any ideas on what to do with new install of kubuntu other then upgrade everything?
[09:00] <BlankB> What else do you need to do?
[09:00] <bz0b> well, i installed firefox, gaim, and xchat too, but don't know what else i want to do
[09:00] <bz0b> hmm
[09:01] <macavity> just go ahead and use it? ;-)
[09:01] <bz0b> well it would be nice if i could get those online poker games working on here
[09:01] <bz0b> but the only ones are .exe's
[09:01] <bz0b> and i have cedega
[09:02] <BlankB> Here is everything I do after a fresh install: (this was for 5.04) http://wiki.anomalytv.com/tavi/index.php?page=UbuntuKubuntu
[09:04] <macavity> why install a free software OS if the fist thing you do is install every trojan propietary binary you can get your hands on? ;-)
[09:04] <BlankB> Ideology vs. useabliltiy.
 If you dont support a decent idology, you *will* end up having to re-define usability with "what they think i should do" </mode> :P
[09:07] <macavity> but never mind.. im just in the arguing mood today.. as long as i get to run all Free, then do as you please
[09:08] <`Nomad> All right, I'm about to burn the Breezy DVD, an dthen do a fresh install.... :D
[09:10] <macavity> `Nomad: hit it! :)
[09:11] <`Nomad> I've been using Thunderbird for email.. Is Evolution a better choice? 
[09:11] <macavity> i prefere KMail.. so i wouldnt know
[09:13] <BlankB> `Nomad: I have used both and like them both. I am using Thunderbird currently.
[09:13] <beast> what's the quickest way to install the nvidia drivers on kubuntu?
[09:13] <`Nomad> yeah.. I think I'll stick to it.. I like that it's so easy to transfer the data to any platform
[09:15] <libben> beast: its allmost the newest as default
[09:15] <libben> unless u have the newest gfx card that really requiers the newest driver
[09:15] <libben> u dont need the latest
[09:15] <macavity> ?
[09:16] <beast> libben: what's the best way to enable that?  i enabled it in the xorg.conf using nvidia instead of nv
[09:16] <macavity> thats how you do it..
[09:17] <libben> beast: run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:17] <libben> and choose nvidia instead of nv in the menu when it comes to it
[09:18] <libben> and just hit enter on everything else u dont know what to set there..... and when u comes to the monitor part. be sure to set the right horizontal values and vertical. then u got good screen resolutions also
[09:19] <beast> do i want to disable any of the modules, such as glx or dri?
[09:19] <macavity> beast: if you want to know how to use nvidia's agp driver, look at this: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=149&p_created=1100107993&p_sid=SemRJCRh&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9NzImcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0wJnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfZm5sJnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9YWdwIGxpbnV4&p_li=&p_topview=1
[09:19] <macavity> ouch.. sorry.. didnt see it was ugly :-/
[09:19] <beast> hehe
[09:19] <macavity> anyways.. its easy enough to do it :P
[09:19] <beast> just keep the default modules?
[09:20] <macavity> yup
[09:20] <macavity> the nv driver loads GLX by itself if you dont specify it yourself, IIRC
[09:21] <beast> ok good
[09:21] <beast> now, just a alt+ctrl+backspace to test it?
[09:22] <macavity> dont forget to save it first ;-)
[09:22] <beast> yes, the reconfig setup saved it
[09:23] <macavity> hit it, and lets see if you are in for an all-nighter or just the usual yay-it-worked :P
[09:24] <beast> if for some reason it doesn't work, how can i launch X again after editing the xorg.conf from console
[09:24] <macavity> startx
[09:24] <beast> alright, i'll give this a shot, hope to talk again soon ;)
[09:24] <jago>  i keep getting this mesage when i try to use my dvd rom "The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist." can any one help
[09:25] <macavity> beast: always, always have irssi or bitchx or something installed...
[09:25] <macavity> beast: that way you can get back for help, even if the system will only boot up in single-user mode
[09:26] <beast> ok :)
[09:26] <beast> kubuntu live cd works well too ;)
[09:26] <macavity> that they do.. that they do :P
[09:26] <bz0b> hey macavity when i uncomment the backports in my sources.list file, and i run apt-get update, it never resolves those
[09:26] <macavity> bz0b: im new to the debian system.. i dont know much about it yet
[09:27] <macavity> bz0b: ive been running slackware and LFS for years.. but only *ubunty for a short while
[09:27] <bz0b> LFS?
[09:27] <LadyFrost> I've got a weird problem (I think). I recently bought an mp3-player and today I tried to plug it in to my kubuntu desktop computer. It automounts, and I can copy files from it, but I can't remove nor add files. ...help?
[09:27] <macavity> Linux From Scratch
[09:28] <bz0b> ah
[09:28] <bz0b> is it hard to make  your own distro with that program?
[09:28] <macavity> its not a program... its a book
[09:28] <bz0b> ah
[09:28] <bz0b> well
[09:28] <bz0b> is it hard to make your own distro?
[09:29] <BlankB> bz0b: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports universe multiverse
[09:29] <bz0b> BlankB, i use 5.10
[09:29] <bz0b> BlankB, i use 5.10
[09:29] <bz0b> woops
[09:29] <bz0b> sorry
[09:29] <BlankB> doh.
[09:30] <macavity> bz0b: "disto" is such a big word you know.. you can do a 100% custom install of everything... eventually
[09:30] <macavity> bz0b: but i would net reccomend that you stray from the book the first few times you do it
[09:30] <edulix> what is the "KDE System Settings - Easier Control Centre" mentioned in breezy RC announcement ?
[09:30] <bz0b> about how many pages is the book?
[09:31] <macavity> bz0b: but it is an absolute must if you *really* want to learn something about how a GNU/Linux system is put together
[09:31] <macavity> bz0b: go have a look :P
[09:31] <bz0b> sure
[09:31] <macavity> www.linuxfromscratch.org
[09:32] <macavity> once you are done with that, there is always the BLFS to crunch... no matter how big iron you have, thats going to take some time to compile ;)
[09:32] <BlankB> bz0b: then its: <code>debhttp://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/hoary-extrasmainuniversemultiverserestricted</code>
[09:33] <bz0b> BlankB, screw it, i hear that backports are broken anyways, and rather not use them, and just use universe instead
[09:33] <thompa> hi everyone need some advice
[09:33] <edulix> and what about that katapult ? is it a new branch of development?
[09:34] <edulix> (the initial developed stopped)
[09:34] <macavity> thompa: shoot :)
[09:34] <thompa> i installed ubuntu breezy, and tried to install kde from synaptic, probably wrong
[09:35] <thompa> i installed (cant remember) kde, kde-desktop, later kubuntu
[09:35] <thompa> whats the prefeered way to get kde?
[09:36] <thompa> apt-get install kubuntu?
[09:36] <macavity> thompa: sounds like the wrong oder to me :P
[09:36] <LadyFrost> thompa: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:37] <thompa> it caused some problems, i had white text windows in gnome, and also the gnome menus were classic kde theme
[09:37] <nxv_> hi, i got my usb soundblaster device displayed in kmix but dont get any sound from the device. anysuggestions?
[09:37] <thompa> ive sinced removed kde but am going to put it back
[09:37] <thompa> LadyFrost: thanks. knew it was simple
[09:38] <LadyFrost> :)
[09:38] <thompa> is anyone else running both gnome and kde encountering any problems?
[09:38] <Tm_T> uhm
[09:39] <LadyFrost> Has anybody got a spare moment to solve my little problem? I've got an mp3-player that gets automounted, but as read-only. Not very useful for a mp3-player. How do I get it to automount itself as read-write?
[09:39] <thompa> on my notebook it starts with kubuntu and ends up on ubuntu login screen
[09:39] <LadyFrost> thompa: No. I've got both kde and gnome and haven't got any problems.
[09:40] <LadyFrost> you get gdm instead of kdm?
[09:40] <macavity> LadyFrost: check /etc/fstab and see what options it gets mounted with?
[09:40] <thompa> LadyFrost: how do you deal with desktop icons? 
[09:40] <LadyFrost> macavity: That's the weird thing. I can't find it in fstab. How do I get it there?
[09:40] <LadyFrost> thompa: huh? What do you mean?
[09:40] <macavity> hmm
[09:40] <macavity> then i think its done by hotplug
[09:40] <macavity> where does it get mounted?
[09:41] <thompa> if i create a shortcut on desktop or launcher in gnome in kde its blanc or missing text 
[09:41] <LadyFrost> macavity: in /media/usbdisk/
[09:41] <beast> macavity: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but this X module is version 1.0.7667
[09:41] <LadyFrost> If I try to remove or add stuff to it it says "file system read-only"
[09:41] <thompa> if i go back to change the properties of a desktop item in one desktop its broke in the other
[09:42] <macavity> beast: download the nvidia one, and ask it to compile the module
[09:42] <macavity> beast: never trust your vendor for drivers you can compile yourself ;-D
[09:42] <bz0b> anyone know of any virtual pc's for linux?>
[09:42] <macavity> QEMU or Bochs
[09:43] <thompa> eg if i create a launcher for bzflag in gnome, its called ? in kde and no picture icon
[09:43] <thompa> and visa versa
[09:43] <macavity> or WMware if you have a propietary fetish
[09:43] <beast> macavity: which one do i want to download?
[09:43] <LadyFrost> thompa: I haven't ever had any desktop icons, so I don't really know what to do :/
[09:44] <macavity> beast: QEMU with the DMA patch, or QEMU CVS
[09:44] <thompa> i may have to avoid them
[09:44] <beast> macavity: where may i find that one?
[09:44] <macavity> the CVS or the patched version?
[09:44] <LadyFrost> Please don't kill me, but I tried the mp3-player with my boyfriends ubuntu-computer yesterday, and then I could add songs. 
[09:44] <thompa> but its on 3 different installs. i think i need to create a desktop config. directory for each or something
[09:45] <beast> macavity: whichever will be the best
[09:45] <macavity> beast: go to the qemu homepage for cvs instructions, and follow them?
[09:45] <beast> macavity: i tried the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1 but that didn't work either
[09:45] <macavity> what?!?
[09:46] <thompa> can i ask an opinion here regarding desktops?
[09:46] <macavity> thompa: sure
[09:46] <thompa> do you stick with one or use both or whats advised?
[09:46] <macavity> you can ask anything you like.. just dont *expect* people to ansver
[09:46] <macavity> i stick to KDE only
[09:47] <thompa> kde folks are so much nicer
[09:47] <beast> macavity: i'm not sure what you are talking about... i don't need qemu
[09:47] <LadyFrost> I use kde only. 
[09:47] <macavity> .. unless im setting up a server.. then i use a stripped down GNOME
[09:47] <macavity> beast: sorry!
[09:47] <beast> macavity: hehe
[09:47] <macavity> beast: miss typed you for bz0b
[09:47] <beast> macavity: that's ok
[09:48] <beast> macavity: i'm not sure how to proceed
[09:48] <thompa> macavity: gnome for server i like too
[09:48] <LadyFrost> uhm, server with X?
[09:48] <beast> macavity: it should pretty much work out of the box shouldn't it?  that reconfigure should have made it find the correct driver
[09:48] <macavity> LadyFrost: X is nice when you have like 25 terminals with ssh connects ;-)
[09:48] <thompa> maybe I should use kde since thats what i know and use gnome for my remote mail server
[09:49] <LadyFrost> macavity: But.. On a server... you don't usually even have a screen.
[09:49] <macavity> beast: i would never have used the reconfigure or aptget for this in the first place..
[09:49] <macavity> LadyFrost: i do :)
[09:49] <beast> macavity: can you give me some steps
[09:49] <LadyFrost> macavity: ahok.
[09:49] <thompa> no i ssh in and then change to root
[09:49] <thompa> remote
[09:51] <thompa> gnome has connect to server utility in "places"
[09:51] <macavity> beast: not really.. im unfortunately in stinkdoze, and i dont know what those scripts did to your machine :-/
[09:51] <beast> macavity: i have nvidia-glx installed 1.0.7667-0ubuntu23
[09:51] <macavity> try and remove it altogether
[09:51] <macavity> then reconfigure again
[09:52] <macavity> then install the one from nvidia
[09:52] <macavity> then hack the xorg.conf by hand
[09:52] <beast> which version from nvidia?
[09:52] <macavity> latest
[09:52] <Mithsir> How do I make OOo2 look more KDEish? I installed the ooo-kde package, but the menus still look strange.
[09:52] <macavity> whatever nvidia.com spits at y9ou :P
[09:52] <beast> 1.0-7676?
[09:52] <macavity> if thats the latest
[09:53] <beast> what about it saying i dont have the latest module? do i need the kernel source?
[09:54] <macavity> if you remove all the old junk, clean up the configfile, compile your own, and then hack the configfile by hand
[09:54] <macavity> .. then i have a real hard time seeing what could go wrong
[09:54] <thompa> i noticed there is both KDE desktop and kubuntu-desktop available
[09:54] <macavity> its a prcedure ive been over so many times i even sometimes dream about it :P
[09:55] <beast> this is a pretty fresh install... it came with nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx i believe
[09:55] <macavity> ditch everything intalled by apt that has the name nvidia in it
[09:56] <beast> ok
[09:56] <beast> then just run the installer and i should be ok? or do i need to find a nvidia-kernel-source package somewhere?
[09:56] <macavity> then do it the right way by hand :P
[09:56] <macavity> the nvidia installer comes with everything you need
[09:57] <beast> ok, good
[09:57] <macavity> its just object files that it links according to your kernel headers
[09:57] <beast> here i go again, talk in a bit :)
[09:58] <thompa> macavity: is having both KDE  and kubuntu  available in synaptic going to confuse things?
[09:58] <thompa> i think installing kde gives you the basic kde desktop?
[09:58] <macavity> thompa: i dont know
[09:59] <thompa> i dont want to try it again, and am going to just install kubuntu
[09:59] <macavity> sounds like the right tool for the job ;)
[10:01] <thompa> but i dont think its wise to install both. i was getting kde half-baked, 
[10:01] <thompa> was running gdm though, who knows
[10:01] <thompa> well here i go. thanks
[10:02] <macavity> its kind of the same as wanting your car to have two different engines that you can switch between
[10:02] <macavity> or so to speak :P
[10:03] <thompa> oh
[10:03] <thompa> do you mean kde and gnome or gdm and kdm?
[10:04] <macavity> both, or all four if you like :P
[10:04] <thompa> does kubuntu use kdm?
[10:04] <macavity> naa.. its the KDE and GNOME integration with the system that i think can step on eachothers toes
[10:04] <thompa> macavity: message just pooped up kdm or gdm?
[10:04] <thompa> does it matter?
[10:05] <macavity> not really
[10:05] <thompa> gdm was giving me trouble maybe 
[10:05] <thompa> which is prettier?
[10:05] <macavity> dont think so.. they both obey to whats in ~/.xinitrc
[10:06] <macavity> KDM... as it looks kde'ish :P
[10:06] <thompa> i had t reinstall gdm a couple of times earlier 
[10:06] <macavity> sounds like your install is boked all up
[10:06] <macavity> borked, even
[10:06] <thompa> had some blank logout windows
[10:07] <thompa> :>)
[10:22] <fiotjb> test
[10:23] <schmely> test workz fine
[10:23] <libben> how many in here have made lfs 
[10:23] <fiotjb> that's right ;)
[10:24] <fiotjb> what's lfs ?
[10:24] <libben> linux from scratch
[10:24] <libben> ideally, u just compile it all on ur own
[10:25] <fiotjb> ok
[10:25] <libben> im thinking of doing a lfs with egdrop and webserver. just to understand linux som more and learn from the experience.
[10:25] <libben> allthough it would be 10 times easier just install ubuntu on a box and just run what i want directly from it.
[10:25] <libben> but i wanna learn some more
[10:26] <thom_> can someone help me?
[10:26] <macavity> you will learn a lot more then just about the linux kernel too.. actually most of the stuff you will learn about will be GNU ware
[10:26] <libben> just shoot
[10:26] <schmely> do that, im testin ubuntu at the moment, really works fine
[10:26] <fiotjb> me too
[10:26] <schmely> just a little problem with my webcam
[10:26] <thom_> how do i change nickname here first?
[10:26] <libben> type /nick nicknamehere
[10:27] <macavity> libben: but to anwer your question, ive done every LFS release since LFS 2.2
[10:27] <libben> what u mean?
 how many in here have made lfs 
[10:27] <libben> u read every version they done and made a own compile every time
[10:28] <macavity> yup
[10:28] <libben> why?
[10:28] <libben> whats the diffrence?
[10:28] <macavity> and some custom ones after i got the hang of it
[10:28] <macavity> its the fastest linux ive ever tried
[10:28] <macavity> shit load faster then even gentoo-custom
[10:28] <libben> well it only boots the kernel and what u whant
[10:28] <libben> want
[10:28] <thom_> cant remebr my nick password. anyway......
[10:29] <libben> thom_: just type /nick newnickname
[10:29] <libben> so what is lfs?
[10:29] <thom_> i just installed  kubuntu-desktop with kdm and gnome is giving me empty log out screens again
[10:29] <libben> i thought it only was a book sort of, that was guiding u thru on understanding linux and building it from scratch
[10:29] <macavity> knowledge on how to build a working GNU/Linux system from the ground up
[10:30] <macavity> but for each release it points out what to be aware of with these particular versions
[10:30] <macavity> and the build process has changed slightly over the years
[10:30] <macavity> at one time header containment was a big issue
[10:32] <macavity> you should really try and do one
[10:32] <macavity> but remember the wise words: FBBG!
[10:32] <macavity> (Follow Book, Book Good)
[10:33] <libben> =)
[10:33] <libben> well, are u on ur own now or kubuntu?
[10:33] <macavity> the first couple of times where i thought myself clever, i had to hose the system and start over
[10:33] <macavity> im in fscking stinkdoze, since im at a cafe
[10:34] <macavity> i dont have my own connect atm :-/
[10:35] <macavity> but anyways.. time to go home and sleep.. i have 4 ours of math tommorow.. so i better be fit for fight
[10:35] <macavity> l8r guys
[10:42] <beast> i'm having problems installing nvidia drivers... i've removed all the old nvidia files and installed the linux-source-2.6.12 and have also downloaded the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7676-pkg1.run file, i get an error that my kernel was compiled with gcc3.4, so i do an export cc=gcc-3.4, but the installer will not work, does anyone have any idea what the problem may be?
[10:43] <gdh> no, but the command you'll want is 'export CC=gcc-3.4' 
[10:43] <gdh> the uppercase CC is important
[10:43] <beast> ok, that may be the problem, i'll try that
[10:45] <needlz_> hi...
[10:47] <needlz_> ive got some problem with my sound :/ i updatet yesterday from hoary to breezy, watched a movie, shutdown the pc - fine. then i booted the pc up again..and the sound "disaperared" :/ i checked with lsmod, aplay, alsamixer etc...nothing :( when i play a mp3 with xmms, xmms shows me now error message... here is some detailed output of amixer etc: http://pastebin.ca/25049 . thanks for the help
[10:48] <beast> gdh: that seemed to work but it would still not install
[10:49] <nxv_> my external usb sound card mp3+ from creative resists to play a tone. is there an alsa unmute or something? with alsamixer it is enabled
[10:49] <beast> anyone else have suggestions on how to install the nvidia drivers?
[10:52] <needlz_> hm
[10:52] <needlz_> seems like kubuntu is dead :p
[10:57] <zyn> does anyone know why programs that run as root through kdesu don't inherit fonts/colors/etc.?
[10:58] <gdh> zyn: because they're running with root's KDE profile from /root/.kde/*
[10:59] <zyn> that's a bit stupid if you ask me
[10:59] <The_Vox> zyn: actually no, that's the way it should be.
[10:59] <zyn> considering that kubuntu disables the root account by default
 I like it becasue the change of theme makes it very obvious when an app is running with root privs.
[11:00] <zyn> vox: i beg to differ... the default font size used by e.g. adept is way too large, making the program nearly useless
[11:01] <The_Vox> zyn: if y,ou make root-privileged apps run with user environment, you can poison the env and crack the box
[11:01] <gdh> zyn: Interesting. what res of screen do you use? 800x600 ?
[11:01] <zyn> gdh: 1280x800
[11:01] <zyn> at 120dpi
[11:01] <zyn> the default 12pt fonts are *huge*
[11:02] <gdh> zyn: very strange - worth logging a bug for and hassling Riddell ? :) If there is a real issue it'd be worth trying to sort it now gives how close teh release is
[11:02] <gdh> might already be too late, even
[11:02] <zyn> riddell?
[11:03] <Riddell> hmm?
[11:03] <gdh> zyn: Riddell is the Mr. Big of Kubuntu. Kneel before him :)
[11:04] <zyn> ahh
[11:04] <zyn> i doubt it's kubuntu specific... i have a feeling it's kdesu
[11:10] <imnotme> about time
[11:10] <imnotme> looks like you got to register now
[11:10] <imnotme> took like a half hour
[11:11] <jago> is any body out htere
[11:11] <imnotme> i just installed kubuntu-desktop 
[11:11] <jago> i just reinstalled breezy
[11:11] <imnotme> ubuntu has screwed up windows
[11:12] <imnotme> jago: im about to
[11:12] <jago> whats wrong
[11:12] <jago> you may need to find an application called fix mbr
[11:13] <imnotme> i have logout screens and other screens that are just white
[11:13] <imnotme> in gnome
[11:13] <imnotme> i tried a different box and got other inconsistencies
[11:13] <jago> i thought you installed kubuntu
[11:14] <imnotme> i got both
[11:14] <imnotme> it dont work both. no matter what they tell you
[11:14] <jago> oh so you men the kde screwed up the desk top
[11:14] <jago> or desk tops
[11:14] <imnotme> i installed kdm earlier gdm same problem
[11:15] <imnotme> on 2 seperate boxes same thing
[11:15] <jago> well i stick with kde and kdm and i have not had problems
[11:15] <imnotme> do you use gnome?
[11:15] <jago> no i prefer the kde desktop
[11:15] <_florent> i do
[11:15] <imnotme> im going to shtcan gnome I think
[11:16] <_florent> i prefer gnome desktop ;)
[11:16] <libben> so why are u in here ? =)
[11:16] <jago> well person prferance
[11:16] <imnotme> i cant get both running here.\
[11:16] <_florent> lol
[11:16] <imnotme> might be because i had an early version of breezy to start. got srewed up somewhere along the way
[11:16] <_florent> cause i don't know where to get other irc channel 
[11:16] <jago> sorry i hve not tried since i switched from knoppix
[11:17] <jago> i had no problems running both then but that was a while ago
[11:17] <imnotme> jago: i just switched from knoppix too
[11:17] <_florent> i've installed kubuntu first  then gnome and had no problems
[11:18] <jago> yeah, believe it or not ubuntu or kubuntu is better
[11:18] <imnotme> im going to reinstall so _florent 
[11:18] <jago> than knoppix i men
[11:18] <_florent> no no
[11:18] <imnotme> no no what/
[11:18] <_florent> linux is so good for that
[11:18] <imnotme> for what?
[11:18] <_florent> you can fix every thing
[11:19] <imnotme> oh live yep
[11:19] <_florent> just find how to
[11:19] <imnotme> _florent: you running both gnome and kde?
[11:19] <jago> oh why does the media devices folder not show any thing but floppy in breezy
[11:20] <_florent> it's a mounted device matter so
[11:20] <jago> i think they have some bugs to work out
[11:20] <_florent> type mount and show which devices are mounted
[11:20] <jago> even mounted devices don't show
[11:21] <jago> its just anoying but not a show stopper
[11:21] <imnotme> jago: are you using both gnome and kde?
[11:21] <jago> no, just kde
[11:22] <jago> i like kde better
[11:22] <imnotme> well ive never gotton both to work on same computer
[11:22] <imnotme> me too
[11:22] <_florent> try sudo fdisk /dev/cdrom for exemple to see if cdrom is mountable or not ( with a cd into)
[11:23] <imnotme> my notebook starts with kubuntu and goes to ubuntu log in. if i log into ubuntu i have kde theme
[11:23] <jago> yeah it will mount both cd and dvd roms but it just mount show them in media:/
[11:23] <imnotme> bloks
[11:23] <jago> bloks?
[11:23] <imnotme> time to go see you!
[11:23] <imnotme> buloks
[11:23] <jago> oh seeyah
[11:24] <imnotme> agitated sorry
[11:24] <jago> bye all
[11:25] <_florent> the matter is that my english is not so good and i'm afraid not to understand what you mean
[11:25] <Zizzencs> hi
[11:25] <Zizzencs> i would like to install the alloy theme for kde. can anybody point me to a howto?
[11:28] <Phantom^^> Hi can someone here please help me configure apt to work with a proxy server ?
[11:32] <torc> what's the package name for gimp?
[11:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: Uh...gimp?
[11:34] <torc> tried it.
[11:34] <torc> says it can't find it
[11:34] <torc> coming from gnome, how would I activate the repositories?
[11:34] <Zizzencs> torc: try to add universe repository
[11:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: Then you probably don't have the repo for it
[11:35] <torc> !repos
[11:35] <ubotu> repos is, like, totally, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:36] <torc> how do I add repositories to kubuntu thought?
[11:36] <torc> though*
[11:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: Same as in gnome. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root
[11:37] <torc> well in gnome you can use synaptic to do that. sorry. 
[11:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> torc: So get synaptic
[11:37] <torc> but it says it cannot find it...
[11:39] <_florent> try kynaptic
[11:39] <_florent> package launcher for kde
[11:39] <torc> did. 
[11:39] <torc> finally, got it goin'
[11:40] <_florent> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:50] <_mike> The default graphics driver doesnt work so I can't use Konq to browse forums/faqs/docs. Do I install the nvidia driver through adept
[11:50] <_mike> Damn - my graphics driver has screwed up the IRC client - I can't read anything - it's all pink