[12:04] <sivang> you can also use it for planning your projects developers meetings, specs, bugs, support and what not =)
[12:04] <uriel> ok, thanks, just wanted to make sure :)
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[12:38] <vi> hello, i was wondering, does anybody know if the Ubuntu Code of Conduct has been translated into spanish?
[12:41] <sivang> vi: if there someone who'd know that, it's jordi
[12:41] <sivang> vi: try to ping him tommorow or worst case monday
[12:42] <vi> sivang: I was thinking about translating it myself, should I wait and ask him?
[12:43] <sivang> vi: best to email him or ask around rosetta-users
[12:43] <sivang> vi: or ping him when he's here
[12:44] <vi> sivang: ok, i'll do that then, thanks!
[12:45] <sivang> vi: no prob, feel free.
[12:45] <sivang> anywy, time to sleep now, thjere's work tommorow
[12:46] <sivang> good night all!
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[05:46] <uriel> hummm.. just me, or registering 'products' is broken? it worked just a few hours ago... weird
[05:48] <uriel> ah, wait, nevermind, the project was registered already, but the error message was most unhelpful.. :/
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[06:10] <Burgundavia> uriel, file a bug
[06:10] <uriel> I was doing just that :)
[06:13] <uriel> damn, got an error trying to report the bug!
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[06:16] <uriel> so I entered ubuntu, I hope that is OK
[06:16] <Burgundavia> nope, you need to report against upstream launchpad
[06:17] <Burgundavia> what is your bug number?
[06:17] <uriel> one sec..
[06:17] <uriel> #2979
[06:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, stuck in an endless login cycle
[06:20] <uriel> Burgundavia: can one enter 'upstream' in the 'distribution' field when filling a bug then?
[06:21] <Burgundavia> uriel, I just played with your bug report
[06:21] <uriel> ah, sorry, seems I filled it incorrectly..
[06:22] <Burgundavia> np
[06:22] <Burgundavia> you are th second person to make that mistake
[06:22] <Burgundavia> thus leading me to believe that it is a problem thta needs to be addressed
[06:23] <uriel> I went to launchpad.net -> bugs -> File a Bug on a Package -> entered 'launchpad' as package name
[06:23] <uriel> what should have I done instead? :)
[06:23] <Burgundavia> nothing
[06:24] <uriel> ok :)
[06:24] <Burgundavia> there is a difference between a package (ala evolution) and a product (launchpad or upstream evolution)
[06:24] <Burgundavia> the bug reporting makes it hard to see the difference
[06:24] <Burgundavia> and makes it almost impossible to file a bug against a product
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[06:25] <uriel> I must admit I find the terminology used in launchpad rather confusing
[06:25] <Burgundavia> it takes a while to wrap your head around it
[06:25] <Burgundavia> it is totally different then any other bug tracker, because it is so ambitious
[06:26] <uriel> and it feels a bit over-engineered, I'm not sure things need to be that complex, but maybe its' just a UI issue
[06:26] <Burgundavia> mostly it is a UI issue
[06:26] <Burgundavia> the fundamental idea is completely sound
[06:26] <uriel> well, I was talking from the POV of the projects, the bug tracker seems simple enough, except for the stuff relating to project/products/releases..
[06:28] <uriel> I guess that in the end it could help interaction between distributions and upstreams, which would be very nice
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[06:30] <uriel> I guess it only works if the package is part of ubuntu, no?
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[08:12] <sivang> uriel: where did you go to register an upstream product?
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[08:36] <uriel> sivang: I already registered the 'product', I was trying to add a package for it
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[10:27] <sabdfl> cool
[10:27] <sabdfl> whoever improved my emblem/hackergotchi validation functions, GOOD JOB
[10:32] <sivang> sabdfl: what kind of validation is done there?
[10:33] <sabdfl> image dimensions, and overall file size
[10:33] <sivang> sabdfl: ah nice, is there also any validation against spamming of sorts?
[10:34] <sabdfl> not yet, no
[10:34] <sabdfl> the homepages can contain links
[10:35] <sabdfl> interfaces/validation.py if you have that nda in place
[10:39] <sivang> sabdfl: not yet, I should talk to SteveA  about it see if we can sort it out.
[10:40] <sivang> sabdfl: can I ask you for some feedback on a BOF/spec I've been writing? (invloves distro and launchpad)
[10:45] <zyga> sabdfl: why does clicking on the hackergotchi page brings me on to the login page
[10:45] <zyga> (even though I am logged in)
[11:06] <sabdfl> zyga: shouldn't
[11:06] <sabdfl> zyga: maybe there's a permission problem
[11:07] <sabdfl> zyga: is this your own account?
[11:08] <sivang> sabdfl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupSnapshots, the Workflow is still being worked.
[11:08] <zyga> sabdfl: yes
[11:08] <zyga> sabdfl: people.u.c/zkrynicki
[11:09] <sabdfl> zyga: it's working for me, i just changed my own hackergotchi
[11:09] <sabdfl> but, i have admin permissions
[11:10] <zyga> :-)
[11:10] <zyga> never write programs on root account ;] 
[11:10] <sabdfl> sivang: looks good, but potentially complicated. we have plans for a bookmark storage service, which is a start towards this
[11:12] <zyga> sabdfl: what permissions are required to edit hackergotchi?
[11:12] <sabdfl> you should be able to edit your own
[11:12] <ajmitch> evening :)
[11:12] <sabdfl> hey ajmitch
[11:12] <ajmitch> hi sabdfl, how's it going?
[11:12] <sabdfl> zyga: can you edit your home page text?
[11:13] <sabdfl> pretty good. am working on the soyuz web pages
[11:13] <sabdfl>  => the part of launchpad that tracks packages in releases of ubuntu, and derivatives
[11:13] <sabdfl> we will use launchpad to manage Dapper, so it has to be ready soon
[11:13] <ajmitch> yep, I've read through the launchpad wiki, looks good
[11:13] <sivang> sabdfl: I forsee the potential complication, but I was thinkig for dapper to start small, have a predefined set of low importance stuff (like bookmakrs you've just mentioned) that  user have, together with the delta of packages comapred to installed seeds without storing config data. This is half the way there, but might be more feasible to implement.
[11:14] <zyga> sabdfl: yes, I already did some time ago
[11:14] <zyga> sabdfl: ah, one mistake - no people.ubuntu.com for me ;-)
[11:14] <zyga> launchpad.net/people ;-)
[11:14] <sabdfl> sivang: so make this an "overview" spec, then have separate specs to implement one or two straightforward components of that
[11:14] <sabdfl> like: gconf settings
[11:15] <zyga> hmmm
[11:15] <zyga> https://launchpad.net/people/zkrynicki/+karma
[11:15] <zyga> could someone explain how I got more translations approved than proposed?!?
[11:15] <zyga> translations were re-set some time ago though so this might be related
[11:15] <sivang> sabdfl: right, gconf settings are also in the same , although probably more important. Will do, thanks for the feedback.
[11:15] <zyga> I've made about 2K suggestions
[11:18] <ajmitch> sabdfl: will hct be usable by the community for dapper as well?
[11:20] <sivang> eh hct, just by looking at specs I get tons of question I'd like to ask scott about it =)
[11:21] <ajmitch> yeah I saw it briefly at UDU, haven't heard much since :)
[11:25] <sivang> Kinnison: ping, good morning
[11:27] <sabdfl> ajmitch: hopefully
[11:27] <ajmitch> great
[11:28] <sabdfl> its internal/nda until we get it working well with bzr and critical mass going
[11:28] <sabdfl> major priority right now is shift from baz to bzr
[11:28] <ajmitch> yeah, I've been using bzr itself for awhile
[11:28] <ajmitch> using it for my packages to maintain patches in branches
[11:29] <sivang> sabdfl: so hct is going to be a successor to bzr, like ng of the ng ? :)
[11:29] <sabdfl> sivang: hct is a meta-revision control system
[11:29] <zyga> hmmm
[11:29] <zyga> hct? :)
[11:30] <zyga> why create another another app if you are already working on bzr
[11:30] <sabdfl> the do different things, hct uses bzr underneath
[11:30] <sabdfl> hct is like a package patch manager
[11:30] <zyga> ah
[11:30] <zyga> high level tool?
[11:31] <sabdfl> it says "ok, the apache source package in ubuntu looks like this: upstream, plus this patch, plus that patch"
[11:31] <sivang> sabdfl: ah, so it doesn't manage changes it self, only tracks changes ?
[11:31] <zyga> cool
[11:31] <sabdfl> but instead of dealing with patches, each of those patches is a branch
[11:31] <zyga> like a cookbook :)
[11:31] <sabdfl> that gets merged in when the source package is "assembled"
[11:31] <ajmitch> the demos that I saw were quite cool
[11:31] <sabdfl> you will be able to use it for upstream too
[11:31] <sabdfl> so andrew morton could use it for kernel
[11:31] <sabdfl> to maintain "his kernel"
[11:31] <sivang> ajmitch: there were demonstrations in UDU ?
[11:31] <sabdfl> as linus + set of branches
[11:32] <ajmitch> sivang: yes
[11:32] <ajmitch> but I imagine it's improved a lot in the ~5 months since
[11:32] <sivang> I know I missed some good stuff over UDU now  =)
[11:32] <ajmitch> sivang: you going to UBZ?
[11:32] <sivang> ajmitch: yeah :)
[11:32] <ajmitch> cool, will see you there then :)
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[11:34] <sivang> sabdfl: hct calls on bzr to do "source assemblies" then ?
=== \sh needs a training on bzr and hct and xtc...I hope I can catch jblack ;)
[12:00] <sivang> \sh: xtc ?
=== sivang sighs at yet another buzzword =)
[12:01] <sivang> \sh: let me know when you do, I'll join you
[12:01] <\sh> sivang: ok..remove the xtc..I think it's something else then a distributed VC ;)
[12:03] <sivang> \sh: what is it? :)
[12:04] <\sh> sivang: did u ever watched "Bad Boys II" (W. Smith + M. Lawrence)?
[12:04] <\sh> ecstasy ;) 
[12:21] <sabdfl> sivang: hct uses bzr as underlying revision control
[12:22] <sabdfl> when you edit a patch in hct, you are editing a bzr branch
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[02:04] <sivang> sabdfl: ah cool
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[02:51] <sivang> \sh: I only watched the first movie ;)
[02:59] <\sh> sivang: watch the 2nd as well :) 
[03:00] <sivang> will do )
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[04:26] <tambaqui> Hello
[04:30] <sivang> hey tambaqui 
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[08:24] <zzniper> does Mark Shuttleworth ever come here? :D
[08:25] <zzniper> Ubuntu is like the best OS EVER :D just wanted to say thnx ^^
[08:27] <zzniper> anyone know why i get a Verfication Certificate pop-up error when i try ship copies from the website?
[08:48] <einheit> zzniper, mark was around a bit earlier, hacking on launchpad and talking with people
[08:49] <einheit> zzniper, what's the url you went to to get that certificate thing?
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[12:01] <zygis> hi, anyone knows is ubuntu-artwork package ready for translation?
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