=== jcape [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6047D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host254-14.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-4-21.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hno73 [n=hno73@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === etnekor [n=etnekor@nilus-2320.adsl.datanet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etnekor [n=etnekor@nilus-2320.adsl.datanet.hu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:40] I Had a question [12:41] does breazy still require significant work? [12:41] cause there is only a week left [12:42] it's in good shape for the release [12:43] poningru_: But you are welcome to come help us with Universe ;-) === joh [n=joh@cD908888B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mash [n=Mash3@wpc2369.amenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mash [n=Mash3@wpc2369.amenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === sivang should dist-upgrade tommorow and try the vmware alltoall patch [12:45] bddebian: hehe I would love to but too busy [12:45] if only the release werent this week [12:46] I have two conferences this week and 3 midterms === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] night all [12:50] *time to sleep === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-4-21.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] poningru: Ugh :-( [01:01] bddebian: looks like there are more conflicts in libofx [01:01] Unpacking libofx2 (from .../libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu6_i386.deb) ... [01:01] dpkg: error processing /space/cache/apt/archives/libofx2_1%3a0.8.0-3ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack): [01:01] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/libofx/dtd/opensp.dcl', which is also in package libofx1c2 [01:01] what a mess; it isn't packaged properly at all [01:02] mdz: Aye. \sh is going to fix it for me I think since apparently I'm a moron :-( [01:04] mdz: BTW, would you mind if tseng uploaded a simple change to liboro-java? It's just a build-dep change from java-runtime1 | java-runtime2 to java1-runtime or java2-runtime ? [01:04] did you make a debdiff for that yet? [01:04] or I was meant to do that [01:05] done [01:06] great.. i need ant to repack a source package === dem [n=dem@d14-69-131-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] bddebian: mdz i can upload this when you are happy [01:09] bddebian: ok [01:09] tseng: Yes isn't that stupid :-) [01:09] going. [01:09] done [01:09] does anyone know if multimedia keys are supposed to work in rhythmbox? the code seems to be there, but it certainly doesn't work for me [01:10] mdz: did you happen to set the keys up after starting rb? [01:10] tseng: hmm, maybe [01:10] muine doesnt re-read them [01:11] quite possibly a global limitation [01:11] restarting doesn't help === Gman [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] I've tried both with and without setting up the shortcuts in gnome-keybinding-properties [01:12] bah this laptop doesnt have more than volume +/- and mute [01:12] the code in rhythmbox seems to look for the XF86XK_Audio* keysyms, rather than gnome keybindings [01:13] so maybe I need to map those for it [01:13] mdz, I have had them work for me [01:13] Anyone an Ada expert? ;-) === greg- [n=greg@x84-157-134.wireless.umn.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] Burgundavia: via gnome-keybinding-properties or directly to rhythmbox [01:14] L [01:14] ? [01:14] mdz: for me if you put in the same key twice for Skip to next track [01:14] mdz: it will show XF86AudioNext [01:14] what in the world that means, I do not know [01:14] just something ive noticed [01:15] tseng: yeah, I noticed that too [01:15] it's as if gnome is simulating an event for the Audio keysyms [01:15] mdz: did you get my pm? [01:15] joh: yes, but I'm not sure what you expect from me [01:16] bddebian: liboro accepted [01:16] joh: it sounds like you need a security consultant, and I'm not available for that type of work just now [01:16] tseng: Thanks man [01:16] mdz: anything would be helpfull, if you have time that is. [01:16] mdz: ok, you could've just told me that ;) [01:16] bddebian: nps [01:18] joh: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/ is a good starting point === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] mdz, they just worked === xTina [n=xTina@p54A2490D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] mdz, never dug deeper [01:23] Burgundavia: so you do not have them set up in gnome-keybinding-properties? [01:25] mdz, no I did not. I think mjg69 set some defaults a while back that probably did it === jcape_ [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] it seems the gnome-keybindings stuff doesn't really work [01:29] if I map them with xmodmap to the XF86Audio keysyms, it works then [01:30] mdz, one further peice of info. I think it might be RB setting them, as if I start both RB and Muine, muine complains about not being able to capture to keys === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] OK, Ada sucks [01:33] bddebian: :) [01:33] why? [01:34] for gnat... ask doko... he seems to be the maintainer ;) maybe he can tell you what to do [01:34] slomo: It's dumping out for every little dumb warning :-) [01:35] bddebian: -Werror? [01:35] I was thinking that :-) === bddebian wonders how many times he should recompile a package no one gives a shit about? :-) [01:38] ...until it is fixed, you gave up or it was morgued? :P [01:38] Heh [01:39] I'd ask for a morgue but there is a Malone bug against it so I guess SOMEONE uses it ;-) === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] good night [01:48] Anyone know how to wrap a line in Ada?? === jcape [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] mjg59: ola [01:52] mjg59: Another data point for you. [01:52] Yup? [01:52] mjg59: in X, closing the lid and reopening does not lose the backlight (it goes off, then on, properly) [01:52] Yes === johhny [n=jeff@12-222-183-136.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] That's because xset gets run in that case [01:53] mjg59: ok, just so you know :) [01:53] That's us managing to work around the bug to some extent... [01:53] nice [01:53] Is everything in breezy compiled with gcc 4 by default? [01:54] Yes [01:54] Would I be able to take a binary from Novell Linux Desktop and older gcc and run it on breezy? [01:56] If I can, I am deploying breezy on the desktops for all of our technicians at work [01:57] johhny: *maybe*. [01:57] johhny: only way to tell is to try. [01:58] I get to find out if it will run the official novell client monday :) [01:58] I really hope so [01:58] My boss wants me to find an os better than novell linux desktop. He thinks gnome 2.6 sucks (I agree) [01:58] And breezy is amazing [01:59] I found a really weird bug in sabayon, would anyone mind trying to reproduce it for me? [02:03] johhny: What is it? [02:05] I open up sabayon from the menu and it says it can not find gnome, falling back to default session. When I try to close it, it brings up a dialog "Your session has changed blah blah blah: Save, Cancel, etc" and then it starts loading gnome [02:05] So I hit cancel and it works [02:05] That makes it appear broken [02:05] It only does that when loading up an Xnest window [02:06] Also, Xnest :2 gives me a blank screen and no gnome [02:08] Give me a minute [02:08] thanks [02:09] johhny: Where does it put it in the menu? [02:11] System --> Administration --> Desktop User Profiles [02:11] I opened it up and created a user named unpriv. Then I clicked edit and thats what happened [02:13] johhny: Yes, I get that error also === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-079-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] Could you confirm my bug? http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16971 [02:19] johhny: Well I don't have the exact same problem it seems. When I start sabayon, I get the "could not find "gnome" session error in the window, click OK, then I get the Ubuntu desktop. [02:19] ah === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-167.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] I get the ubu desktop if I try to close it and then hit cancel [02:22] Where is the Xnest thing coming from? I don't even see that window [02:23] bddebian: The window that is x embedded within x is Xnest [02:24] Run Xnest :2 and what do you get? [02:24] Ive been trying to figure out why sabayon does this all day [02:24] And would like it to be fixed before the launch of breezy [02:25] Seems to work fine, no error messages [02:25] And brings up an ubuntu desktop? [02:26] No, just an X-window [02:27] I just realized that I dont have to hit cancel, I just have to wait about 10 seconds after hitting ok for it to login to ubuntu [02:27] So now I have to find out what it is not finding that tells it about gnome [02:27] Any ideas? [02:28] I'd have to look at the source [02:28] And I can't do main [02:30] ok, thanks for the help [02:31] NP, sorry I can't be more. If I get some time, I'll poke around === Gman [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cm-80.111.97.105.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === reperire [n=nathan@wbs-146-136-59.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] bye ! [02:56] hi guys - short question - I would like to create icon theme for ubuntu-desktop and I would like to know if there is something like a full list of icon names to create in new theme to replace all defaults icons? [03:00] marcin_ant, #ubuntu-artwork === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] Burgundavia: heh... and no #ubuntu-icon-theming? === LaschW [n=laschw@dyndsl-085-016-007-197.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] Does anyone know why gnucash-hbci is not in breezy? For a lot of European users, a lot of them companies, this would be very important. [03:26] LaschW: Is that a seperate package or just enabling hbci in gnucash? [03:26] On http://people.debian.org/~tviehmann/debian/unstable/ are gnucash-hbci deb's which don't install due to dependencie problems. [03:27] bddebian: Its a addon package which is needed for HBCI in a couple of european states. [03:28] LaschW: I think it's just a matter of --enable-hbci or something like that [03:30] bddebian: I'm not shure about that. AFAIK gnucash -hbci adds a lot of dependencies, e.g. to aqbanking. Martin Preuss, developer of aqbanking shuld be able to give more information abiout that [03:31] LaschW: Yes, I just added all the aqbanking dependencies in breezy not too long ago [03:32] bddebian: Hhhm, just a moment, will just start gnucash. Hope I don't miss something... [03:32] It may not be enabled currently. I'll pull the source in a bit [03:34] bddebian: No HBCI at all. There should be a menu entry: Action (Aktion in German) -> HBCI; in an opened ledger. Which is not === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] Anyone know if a .xml file for mime types should go in the -common package? (lyx in this case) [03:37] bddebian: Oh yes, I would vote for if I could. Up to now LyX is handled as a text aplication which makes popup LyX for every text document... [03:38] bddebian: This is so in kubuntu and in ubuntu === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] LaschW: There is a --enable-hbci option to configure. I will try it. [03:40] bddebian: Thanks a lot, that would be great to have. There are a lot of small and midrange companies I was told they use gnucash for their buisines. [03:41] bddebian: BTW, LyX. It would be smart to have the LyX svg icon, looks graet indeed. [03:41] bddebian: s/graet/great/ [03:42] bddebian: Dont get afraid abut the number of new dependencies which will come along... (c: [03:44] Sorry I don't know what you mean. I'm kinda stupid :-) [03:44] Does the breezy installer support ntfs resizing? I dont use windows so I haven't been able to test it out and a buddy wants to know [03:45] bddebian: Hey, deFreese, sounds good for a Frieslander (central Friesland, between east and northern Friesland). [03:46] bddebian: Gnucash hbci needs libaqbanking, libktoblzcheck and some more dependencies I forgot... [03:46] libchipcard2 [03:46] bddebian: and libchipcard... [03:49] bddebian: libaqbanking0, libktoblzcheck1, libgwenhywfar17, libssl0.9.7, libaqbanking-data, libaqbanking-plugins-libgwenhywfar17, ... [03:52] apt-cache depends gnucash | grep Depends: | awk '{print $2}' [03:52] no need for guessing [03:53] oh i see. [03:54] johhny, yes it does [03:54] seth_k|lappy: Thanks, that will make him very happy [03:57] seth_k|lappy: A rezize ntfs option would be a good thing for oem preseed. So oem would be usefull for install parties too. === oxez [n=oxez@115-48.tm.cgocable.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.209.110] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] What is up with gnucash?? [04:01] the partition editor sucks for someone who knows nothing about partitioning [04:02] I breezed through it, but only because I can manually write an fstab [04:02] bddebian: There is no HBCI support for breezy... [04:03] LaschW: No, it won't even build [04:04] bddebian: due to dependencie problems? [04:04] mdz: kubuntu RC is on the mirrors, you can release the ubuntu-announce post [04:06] LaschW: No, can't find config.status :-( === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@67.15.185.40] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfvt_ [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:09] bddebian: May be thats why there is a standalone paket gnucash-hbci? [04:09] Hmm, I must have blown the configure line out too far [04:22] LaschW: This one might be over my head.. I have no idea why it's puking when I add --enable-aqbanking and --enable-hbci ?? [04:22] The config.log just seems to stop [04:23] bddebian: May be it might be an idea to ask Martin Preuss (aqbanking developer) and Christian Stimmig (gnucash-hbci developer).? [04:24] bddebian: Will it be ok to post their email addresses here on irc? [04:25] Riddell: done, congrats [04:25] Riddell: what was the issue with the mirrors? [04:27] mdz: not sure, need to ask elmo [04:27] mdz: I'm about to do a muckle upload of KDE 3.4.3 [04:27] LaschW: Your best bet would probably be to bug Thomas Bushnell, the Debian Maintainer [04:28] Riddell: how long do you think it will take? if you ping me when it's done I can process them all at once [04:28] the mirros are broken because 2 machines ran out of space, because releases is now 40Gb and torrent is over 100Gb [04:28] we should probably reconsider providing 3 releases concurrently on releases.u.c [04:29] bddebian: Hhhm, I'm not shure about that. He don't offer the HBCI packages for Debian. They are done by Thomas Viehmann. [04:29] mdz: an hour maybe, my upstream bandwidth is slow [04:29] bddebian: And you may only find them on thomas's URL: http://people.debian.org/~tviehmann/debian/unstable/ [04:30] LaschW: Well we sync most of our stuff from Debian so... [04:30] bddebian: gnucash is even out of sync in unstable, so... [04:31] elmo: or reconsider putting the DVDs there [04:31] bddebian: That would be a good-to-have for Ubuntu ;-) [04:31] I tried -19 but we don't have the matching build-dep versions === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] LaschW: I don't disagree but we are probably too close to release for anything major to happen :-( [04:31] mdz: that too [04:32] bddebian: 1.9.10? AFAIK there is an 1.9.11 [04:32] bddebian: And I would bet that the HBCI guys would be glad if they are asked to bring it into ubuntu ;-) [04:33] the DVDs being there is going to absolutely slaughter any chance we have of caching the actual ISOs [04:33] tho kubuntu and edubuntu already don't help with that [04:33] Is it just me, or does the openoffice.org2-gnome integration package not work on the latest breezy? [04:33] I like my native gnome dialogs for open/save [04:34] LaschW: Again, I don't disagree but it probably can't happen for breezy. You notice Debian and Ubuntu are still at 1.8.10-xx. [04:38] bddebian: I just found that there is a need for some patches to buils with gcc4: (Guppi) Guppi-gcc4.patch, Guppi-intltool.dif, any-gettext.patch, guppi-font.dif; (G-Wrap) g-wrap-1.3.4.dif [04:39] http://www.digitalprognosis.com/opensource/Screenshot-Save-as.jpg This is what I get even with openoffice.org2-gnome integration package installed [04:39] bddebian: I will ask Martin, Christian and Thomas. It's 4:30AM here (UTC+2) just right for a wakeup challenge. *laugh* [04:40] johhny: native file dialogues arn't turned on by default [04:41] Riddell: That is inconsistant with the rest of gnome, why not? /me is horrified [04:41] Riddell: Was there a strategic decision for making OO.o not fit in with the rest of gnome? === magnon [n=co@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] LaschW: Heh [04:43] johhny: no [04:44] johhny: it caused crashes in earlier versions [04:44] Riddell: Some more questions questions: Could it be made the default before breezy ships? I will ask the maintainer if I can get information on them, and how can I turn them on? [04:46] johhny: I doubt it. turn on in Options I think [04:46] Riddell: Thanks [04:46] Riddell: So I dont guess you know a way to script that or what files it changes [04:47] I don't I'm afraid [04:47] Thats ok, thanks for the help [04:51] whiprush: you can fridge kubuntu RC [04:55] is it possible to use gpg-agent with debuild? [04:58] bddebian: Ok, I send an email to the hbci guys. Lets hope they will take the chance... [04:59] bddebian: s/send/sent/ === anne_ [n=anne@207-118-212-242.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] Is there a good tutorial on how to make a kernel-source package? === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] Rotund: That is a highly non-trivial task. [05:30] grrr. I want to add more support for VIA (I have an EPIA) [05:33] Rotund: Snag the source package for the kernels breezy has and make a patch [05:35] elmo: please sync gnome-alsamixer from unstable, tested in breezy pbuilder and it builds fine, thanks [05:42] Amaranth: Could I submit it? or would it not be looked at until dapper? [05:43] not a chance until dapper, too close to release to touch the kernel for anything [05:43] I know a bunch of people on the Via Arena website are looking into Ubuntu for their EPIAs and looking elsewhere. [05:44] Amaranth: Wasn't sure if it could be added in an "update" [05:44] bmonty: done [05:44] elmo: thanks === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:59] morning [06:00] In Brazil night [06:00] :) [06:04] Riddell: did you decide to upload more pkgs than seb in one go? [06:04] fabbione: I havn't started the kde-i18n upload yet... [06:05] well that's arch all [06:05] it doesn't bother me :) [06:05] the rest just takes ages to build [06:05] thanks for your help with xfig/launchpad, elmo [06:07] Heya tritium [06:08] hi bddebian :) === patricia_ [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] Riddell: is there any specific build order for all the stuff you are uploading? [06:20] or it will just work because of proper B-D? === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.92.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-122-217.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:01] question about the open cd will the windows component have the latest stuff? [07:01] bbl === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joe_ [n=joe@207-118-212-242.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] Can someone tell me what packages were just added to the repository in the last 12 hours? [07:24] My computer won't work now and theres a bunch of others in #ubuntu w/ odd problems [07:25] joe_: have you checked the breezy-changes list? [07:25] sorry, I'm on a computer attached to a TV now cuz my other one doesn't work [07:26] I can't seem to get permissions to anything, even when I was in recovery mode [07:27] amen [07:27] elmo: are you still around? [07:27] amen? [07:28] joe_: not for you [07:29] fabbione: kind of [07:29] elmo: i am getting connection refused from archive.ubuntu.com [07:29] did apache die again? [07:29] Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/multiverse/source/Release Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.182). - connect (61 Connection refused) [IP: 82.211.81.182 80] [07:30] blah, yes [07:30] I knew there was a reason I stay up till 6 on sundays [07:30] :) [07:30] fixed [07:30] thanks [07:30] thanks [07:32] elmo: could you sync libgringotts please? [07:35] elmo: could you please sync texmacs 1.0.5-3 ? [07:36] guys.. it's sunday :) [07:36] sorry elmo, it can wait [07:37] ajmitch: done [07:37] tritium: done [07:37] thanks :) [07:37] thanks :) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-122-217.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] Riddell: how rsyncable are kubuntu isos to ubuntu ones? === Wax [n=spinach@dsl092-185-225.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] maswan: about? === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] Morning al [08:17] or rather, all [08:18] I just looked at the logs of the last doc team meeting on Friday. It was a very short one... [08:20] and since there wasn't a TechBoard meeting this week either. I guess it was a bad week for meetings :( [08:22] hah [08:22] I wonder how TB can affect all others :) [08:28] postfix isn't installed by default anymore? [08:29] bob2, appears that way. I still have it on my hoary-dist-upgraded computer, but my fresh RC install doesn't have it. [08:30] should be breezy-dist-upgraded... [08:35] c'y all, going to work === newob [n=james@ip68-110-201-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:52] wuz up [08:52] how are we deving === oxez [n=oxez@115-48.tm.cgocable.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-23.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === newob [n=james@ip68-110-201-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:21] infinity: that pppoe bug isnt fixed [09:21] infinity: about not bringing the network interface up (10080) [09:23] infinity: ah, judging by the changelog its supposed to add a section to interfaces, that will still break upgrades === oxez [n=oxez@115-48.tm.cgocable.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] infinity: heh *and* to add to that [09:31] infinity: the network/interfaces change it makes when you reconfigure it doesnt even work === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === oxez [n=oxez@unaffiliated/oxez] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:41] <\sh> mdz / Kamion: ping can one of you approve a small patch for closing http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11459 which I sadly forgot since 3 months? :( [09:46] \sh: fine [09:47] <\sh> mdz: thx === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] morning [09:50] hello [09:57] <\sh> mdz: uploaded === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] when is the next meeting of the Technical Board ? wikipage is outdated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [10:33] re morning all === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-012.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AES_24_96 [n=AES_24_9@ip68-3-72-202.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] Lathiat : Have you tested the patch in the bug report? [11:14] mdz: ping? [11:16] hey fabbione. how's life in the sparc world? [11:17] sabdfl: rocking! oo2 is very close to the end of the build.. added another buildd right this morning to the rotation [11:17] nice! [11:17] sabdfl: my inbox is overloaded with patches from david :) [11:17] miller? [11:17] sabdfl: it will be a bit grumpy.. but well [11:17] yes [11:17] cool [11:17] he is using Ubuntu on a couple of boxes afaik [11:17] sparc.. [11:18] sabdfl: how is life in uk? [11:18] good. i'm trying to get the soyuz pages up to speed, so we can see which packages are actually going into dapper :-) [11:18] nice :) [11:18] anything i can help testing? [11:18] not yet [11:18] ok [11:19] than i am going back to finish warty kernel security [11:19] Mithrandir: I've not yet tested with your disabled inotify kernels, however since last night's update - the machine seems responsive again, and even the desktop slowness in moving windows and alike is basically gone =) [11:24] infinity: i thought you applied that? [11:25] Not unless someone else did. I know I didn't. [11:25] Lathiat : If I could get some feedback on that patch, I'd be happy to apply it. I'm not using PPPoE here, so I have to follow the logic through and say "yeah, I guess that looks right", which kinda sucks. [11:26] (and sucks even more, if we're talking about uploading a fix in the 3 days before release) [11:26] infinity: ok [11:26] well i run it here [11:26] so i can try it [11:26] Please do. [11:26] sivang: i am so much convinced that's not a kernel problem... [11:26] The three cases worth looking at are 1) Does it work at all, 2) do upgrades from hoary work, 3) is there any way we can clean up broken interfaces files? [11:27] Lathiat : Case (3) is less important then the first 2, obviously, and if we can't fix them without intrusive changes, we shouldn't try. === AES_24_96 [n=AES_24_9@ip68-3-72-202.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:28] <\sh> btw..until when are the buildds open for changes? 12th 23:59? [11:28] infinity: im sure we never had to do this before [11:28] infinity: cant pppoe just be made to ifconfig up when its activated === fabbione sighs... [11:29] now i remember why i didn't like dpatch in warty :) [11:29] Lathiat : Are you sure the pre-up wasn't rewuired in hoary? [11:29] required, even. [11:29] i dont recall it [11:29] i'd have to install hoary to find out [11:30] which is painful [11:30] let me look at the hoary era package and see what it was doing [11:31] infinity: any idea what version was in hoary? [11:31] of rp-pppoe and of pppoeconf [11:31] fabbione, I have kernel building question [11:31] ah packages.ubuntu.com knows [11:32] which is the most efficient (time wise) way of rebuilding a module in the breezy kernel sources [11:32] I want to test a new uspteram version of a sound driver [11:32] janimo: it depends... [11:32] hand-edit the config file? [11:32] no that has nothing to do with the config file [11:32] there are several tricks to do that [11:33] it also depends how good is your knowledge of kbuild.. [11:33] what driver is that? [11:33] intel 802 I think [11:33] let me see how it's actually called === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] intel8x0.c [11:33] infinity: did you manage to sortout that /pmu problem? [11:34] fabbione : Yup, fixed in the latest pbbuttonsd upload. [11:34] janimo: well if the changes are contained only in that file, than it's pretty simple [11:34] infinity: ermm [11:34] infinity: ehhe cool [11:34] I see 2.6.13 and 14 have resume from sleep related changes and I'd like totry them out [11:34] infinity: pppoeconf depends pppoe, but pppoe seems to be in universe? [11:34] janimo: are the changes contained only in that file? [11:35] fabbione, yep and maybe in ac97.c [11:35] Lathiat : ppp | pppoe... ppp does pppoe now. [11:35] oh i see [11:35] but for now I think it's only that [11:35] ppp | pppoe [11:35] well you need to be sure :) [11:35] right [11:35] well I am not sure which of the upstream changes could fix my bug ;) [11:35] janimo: we can hack that file, but there is no guarantee that it will build [11:35] but right now I will only rebuild the intel one [11:35] Lathiat : And that may be where some of the semantic changes are coming from. [11:35] infinity: but was pppoe used in hoary? [11:35] well I will edit it til it builds I just want tips to make the process fast [11:35] infinity: it was in universe in hoary too i see [11:36] Lathiat : And we should probably just respect the new world order, and make sure pppoeconf works as-is. [11:36] so I don;t wait too much [11:36] janimo: let's move to #ubuntu-kernel and i will drive you trough the basic steps [11:36] no that won't work [11:36] Lathiat : pppoe has always been in universe, so probably not. [11:36] Lathiat : But I see stuff in the Debian changelog about "transition to new pppoe on boot" stuff. [11:36] infinity: yeh [11:36] i was wondering about that [11:37] Lathiat : And the bugs in bugzilla about "I have to set up pppoe on every reboot" were originally from hoary, not breezy. [11:37] any which way [11:37] it doesnt bring the interface up [11:37] and that stanza in the apckage it now creates, doesnt do anything [11:37] if i ifup with that, the interface is still down [11:37] Well, cause it needs a pre-up, right? [11:37] Is it not getting one? [11:38] auto eth1 [11:38] iface eth1 inet manual [11:38] thats all it puts [11:38] infinity: the 'new ppp on boot' might be [11:38] auto dsl-provider [11:38] iface dsl-provider inet ppp [11:38] provider dsl-provider [11:38] ^^ that [11:38] iirc it didnt do that before [11:38] and had some magic trigger script [11:39]