[07:14] <Belutz> anyone alive?
[07:14] <tashiro> yes
[07:19] <Belutz> how do i install netbeans or eclipse in breezy?
[07:21] <tashiro> Belutz: There are no netbeans packages until now. For eclipse there are package, but its a bit difficult to install
[07:21] <Belutz> so, what IDE should i use in breezy?
[07:21] <Belutz> i already download the netbeans .bin file
[07:21] <Belutz> and download eclipse from eclipse.org
[07:21] <Belutz> both of them doesn't work
[07:23] <tashiro> You can always downloading tarballs from the inet instead of the installation through packages
[07:23] <Belutz> tashiro, what IDE you're using?
[07:24] <tashiro> You can download ppc packages for eclipse from http://vern.chem.tu-berlin.de/~stephan/software/ubuntu/
[07:24] <tashiro> eclipse
[07:25] <Belutz> ok, i'll try that
[07:25] <Belutz> ppc ?
[07:25] <Belutz> power pc?
[07:26] <tashiro> There are also debian packages http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary-man-di//index.php?p=26
[07:26] <tashiro> yes, powerpc, no i386 packages
[07:27] <tashiro> There are some missing package for eclipse due to the freeze of ubuntu at the moment
[07:27] <Belutz> so if i use i386, i should wait?
[07:29] <Belutz> actually i'm still new in java
[07:29] <Belutz> why eclipse is better than netbeans?
[07:30] <tashiro> Belutz: It is a matter of preferences. I prefer eclipse, because it uses native gtk widgets.
[07:31] <Belutz> i see
[07:31] <tashiro> Belutz: If you are really new to java, then you should go with vim/pico, java and javac. This is the real way to learn java.
[07:32] <Belutz> well i'm not really new, i just want to restart again
[07:36] <tashiro> Then you should download your prefered ide and install it manually. And download a jdk from sun and create a package with java-package.
[07:38] <Belutz> create a package?
[07:39] <tashiro> Google for java-package and make-jpkg :-)
[07:40] <Belutz> ok
[07:44] <tashiro> Otherwise the packages for eclipse need some more time to get ready. A package for Netbeans will not come in the near furture.