[12:02] What ubuntu package is the base installer in? The one where you install the ubuntu distro? [12:02] I want to translate some strings there! [12:02] yes.... zakmccracken package! :) [12:03] debian-installer no? === Skapare [i=600@altair.ipal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] nalioth: you here? === oxez [n=oxez@unaffiliated/oxez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:04] apperantly not [12:04] hmmm [12:04] he suggested coming here when I asked him a question [12:05] and loom for scummvm [12:05] and maniacmansion [12:05] I guess I'll go back to #ubuntu [12:05] woohoo [12:05] :) [12:05] slomo: does this mean i can continue with dopi? === Lemur- [n=lem@c83-248-89-168.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] so does this channel offer help to people that are new to Ubuntu, even though very experienced otherwise with other distributions and systems? [12:15] not really, no [12:15] where would be a good place for that? [12:15] this channel offers help to people working on packaging and bugfixing [12:15] ah [12:16] what I want to do is install Ubuntu into a subdirectory of an existing Linux system ... where is a good place to get help on that (I know how to do it in Slackware) [12:16] man debootstrap [12:17] No manual entry for debootstrap ... but then, I am on a Slackware system right now [12:18] tseng: man, still downloading.. [12:19] OK ... different question ... would this be the place to ask/talk about porting to a new architecture (e.g. Sparc or S/390) ? [12:20] there is already a sparc port [12:20] just not officially released, yet? [12:20] yes [12:21] I have no spare x86 machines at the moment to try Ubuntu on ... but I do have 3 spare Sun Sparc machines :) === amalthea [n=markus@c213-89-56-122.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lemur- [n=lem@c83-248-89-168.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:24] tseng: there a way to see how fast it is downloading? === tseng shurgs [12:25] shrugs [12:25] it takes a few minutes for me, i dont know what to tell you [12:25] so where do I get Ubuntu for Sparc? d/l? [12:25] sparc.ubuntu.com [12:25] i think yo might have to upgrade from debian [12:25] thanks [12:25] those are just packages [12:27] tseng: hmm, interesting. what sort of interenet connection do you have? [12:27] 1.5mb [12:27] same here [12:27] weird [12:28] I wish I had a few sparc [12:28] i have one in my living room [12:28] i dont know how to console into it [12:28] tried a cisco console cable [12:29] with a serial connector on one end [12:29] it has no vga [12:30] tseng: cisco cable are not OK [12:30] use a real nullmodem cable [12:30] what do i need? [12:30] I could never use Cisco. but null modem works [12:30] ok [12:30] what kind of machine is it? [12:30] its a 1u sparc [12:30] im told 1ghz [12:31] Utra Sparc 1? [12:31] no, one rack unit [12:31] ah [12:31] oh [12:31] unlikely to have a video card [12:31] it is probably faster than my 1GHz PIII [12:32] it probably has an arseload of ram [12:32] :-( [12:33] hm null modem has serial on both ends? [12:33] the console port on my box is RJ45 [12:33] just like the cisco console ports [12:33] ah [12:33] sorry I don't know then [12:34] all the sun I have seen have a standard db25 [12:34] even the IBM pSeries I have at work has that [12:35] maybe i just setup minicom wrong [12:38] maybe [12:38] 9600 8 1 [12:38] n [12:38] these are the settings if I rememver [12:38] sounds right [12:39] do you get anything? [12:39] or just garbage? [12:39] nothing [12:39] ill try again tommorow night [12:39] tseng: minicom works for my sun machines, with what hub said [12:40] sivang: k, do you have rj45 console? [12:40] tseng: no, I use a serial one [12:40] tseng: but this machine as a vga card, so mostly I just use it's display. when things get rough, only the serial console helps [12:41] it looks like it is a sun fire v100/v120 [12:42] What is eclipse? There are several bugs on Malone about it? [12:42] bddebian: java ide [12:42] bddebian: that's a java ide by IBM === bddebian vomits [12:42] OK next :-) [12:42] bddebian: pluggable interface, said to be a nice frameowrk [12:43] http://www.ossmann.com/5-in-1.html [12:44] haha [12:44] tseng: sunfive ? [12:44] holly crap [12:45] that a real nice machine [12:45] how did you get that? [12:45] my roomate brought it home one day [12:45] i dont think his boss realized what it was === sivang adds this link to my webpage [12:48] anyway fellas, I need to get some sleep. [12:48] work oin 5 hours from now [12:48] sleep tight sivang [12:48] dholbach: thank you daniel [12:48] bddebian: I hope to be more successful with that package tommorow [12:48] (still waiting on pbuilder to check main component) [12:49] tseng: you have a heck of a roomate [12:49] hub: actually, he is a fool [12:49] hub: which is good news for me :) [12:49] good night all [12:50] yeah [12:51] bye sivang [12:59] sivang: No worries, thx [01:00] bddebian: do you guys need my email for anything? I just realized that my .bashrc got borked and didn't have DEBEMAIL exported and so my libghemical package has the wrong email address [01:02] LaserJock: I don't think so since azeem will probably put the changes in in Debian and we will just sync but thanks === ajmitch returns [01:03] afternoon all [01:03] ok, just didn't want to have been not able to get in touch if the needed. I thought azeem would handle [01:03] it [01:04] Heya ajmitch [01:10] is there an irc channel for ubuntu l10n? [01:11] there are loco teams [01:11] who often have their own channel [01:11] like #ubuntu-de or what have you [01:17] #rosetta? === amalthea [n=markus@c213-89-56-122.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] is it normal to have so many packages in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 ? It seems like a lot [01:24] LaserJock: Blame dholbach ;-P [01:25] lol, that seems like a good way to get banned ;-) === stone__ [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] what is the recommended size for a ubuntu installation? === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] Gah, there are 10 bugs alone on eclipse [01:42] bddebian: don't touch it... at least that was what i was told... it's doko's [01:43] good night - and happy fixing [01:44] Gnight Daniel [01:44] slomo: Well tell doko to fix the damn thing ;-P [01:45] bddebian: no :P the last time i ask him something about it he told me to be patient [01:45] gn8 dholbach [01:47] ok, good night everybody :) [01:48] Gnight slom [01:48] +o [01:48] me too, good night everybody [01:48] Sheesh :'-( [01:48] Gnight LaserJock === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-227-156-182.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:52] slomo, bddebian: wrong, I did tell you not to upload the next version, that was all. If you have fixes, ok. but I don't see any comment in the bug reports [01:53] doko: I'm only kidding. I just see several bugs on Malone. :-) You probably don't want me touching it ;-) [01:55] bddebian: add the fixes to the reports === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-079-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] doko: You know ada? === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-167.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] hi guys - I got short and simple question to you [02:23] what should I put into 'Maintainer' line of 'control' file? [02:23] who is maintainter - me? if I create package? [02:24] marcin_ant: Sounds good :-) [02:24] bddebian: hmm so maintainer = packager? [02:25] bddebian: and what if I want just modify package? === oxez [n=oxez@unaffiliated/oxez] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:25] marcin_ant: Usually you leave the maintainer and just add a changelog entry [02:25] bddebian: and there already is some name in 'Maintainer' section? [02:25] marcin_ant: There has been some discussion about changing the maintainer stuff for Ubuntu and that may happen in breezy+1 I don't know. [02:25] bddebian: ok [02:26] bddebian: anyway if I create some new package and there is no maintainter yet [02:26] bddebian: then I can put my name in this section - right? [02:26] Should be fine [02:27] bddebian: (not 'source' maintainter - like hmm for example - Davyd for gnome-applets or something?) [02:27] bddebian: btw, some 'personal' question ;) [02:28] bddebian: do you work for Canonical? [02:28] marcin_ant: No, you can just be the "package maintainer" [02:28] No, I don't work for Canonical. I wish :-) [02:30] bddebian: heh I thought that they pay you for support on this channel and development - or something :) [02:30] bddebian: 'cause I can see that you spend really a lot of time here [02:30] I just have no life ;-) [02:32] bddebian: LOL [02:32] bddebian: I'm talking with bot ;) [02:33] bddebian: never thought that so advanced bots are available already :D [02:33] heh [02:33] bddebian: just joking [02:34] bddebian: but in fact when I see some guys hanging on *ubuntu channels all day I always wonder what do they do as their job, how do they make money etc. [02:35] I'm an IT Manager for a small flavor company [02:36] bddebian: related with linux? (this company) [02:37] Not hardly. We're an all MS shop :-) [02:38] hehe [02:38] so 'typical way' you make money on MS and use Linux as hobby? [02:39] Pretty much unfortunately === amalthea [n=markus@c213-89-56-122.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] hmm I wish I could to find a good way to make money on linux/ubuntu... [02:41] Don't we all ;-) [02:43] :> [02:45] most of us here probably make nothing on our work :) [02:46] bddebian: I'm around for ~5 minutes (going to the airport to pick up my sister; I just drove back from Atlanta) [02:46] bddebian: what's needed? [02:46] hi crimsun [02:46] hi ajmitch [02:47] Lathiat: my hunch is a config.{guess,sub} issue, but I haven't had time to debug; I've been out of town. [02:47] Heya crimsun . Just wondering about Malone 2928 [02:48] bddebian: (looking). [02:48] hmm, I presume the reporter means "...to shutdown or reboot the computer" [02:49] (the Xfce4 modifier there doesn't really make sense) [02:49] Aye. [02:50] hmph, I wonder how that can be rigged [02:50] If it's a valid request, I can try to poke around [02:52] I think it's valid; you may want to poll #xubuntu (might be quiet at this day/hour) and/or xubuntu-devel list [02:52] OK [02:52] I think I'm just gonna play video games tonight at this rate.. :-) [02:52] though Xfce isn't semantically tied to how the reboot/shutdown works from within GNOME, it makes sense to allow it without a gksudo or something [02:53] bye ! === MojOrow [n=hbecker@d150-37-128.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] Later pef [02:53] ok, disappearing for a bit, be back later. [02:54] Later crimsun, have "fun" ;-) [03:00] ok, finished watching movie, now what bugs should I fix? === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wickedpuppy [n=wickedpu@cm25.epsilon165.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] ajmitch: All of them [03:03] ajmitch: Do you know ada? :-) === MojOrow [n=hbecker@d150-37-128.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] how do i solve this error: "E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done to create your base tarball yet? [03:05] " [03:05] when running sudo pbuilder build *.dsc [03:06] i've run pbuilder create [03:15] please? we're having trouble getting started developing here. [03:15] how can we resolve this problem? "E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done to create your base tarball yet? [03:19] you must've not run "sudo pbuilder create" [03:20] we did, we ran "sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy" [03:23] did you follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto? [03:23] you have to create for Hoary, then update to Breezy [03:23] ah ok, i'll try that then === stone__ [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] what's the easiest way to find out in which package a given string is (in order to localize it / correct it)? [03:57] amalthea: ?? [03:57] what? [03:57] "which package a given string is" ?? [03:58] I am using ubuntu. I find a typo in the translation somewhere. How do I find out to which package I have to go? === nybble [n=nybble@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/nybble] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] Uhm, whatever package you found the typo in? [04:02] That is the whole point of my question. If I don't know what package I am in? [04:03] For example I'm setting some preference in the ubuntu system... how the heck do I know which package it is? === MojOrow [n=hbecker@d150-37-128.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] actually the point of the system is that you don't know what package you're in, but that it appears as a whole :) [04:13] yeah but it doesn't make it easier for me when I want to quickly correct a grammatical error in the translation :) [04:13] ajmitch, do you have any suggestion ? [04:14] many applications should have 'translate this application' in the help menu now if they're part of main [04:15] ok, so if JoeBlow makes an application, this menu won't be in it? [04:15] "Translate this app" is _only_ in apps that ubuntu people translate? [04:16] only in those apps that have launchpad integration [04:18] ok [04:18] ajmitch, so how come Firefox has that menuitem? [04:19] because we added it [04:19] to sum it up, I'm confused about which applications ubuntu people translate and which translations that are made by other projects [04:19] part of the 'ubunut experience' :) [04:19] it doesnt matter who translates it [04:20] we automatically merge translations from upstream and ubuntu together [04:20] and contribute translations back upstream [04:20] so if I translate one string in firefox, and the rest comes from the mozilla l10n project... [04:21] how does that work? they are merged? [04:21] yes. [04:22] isn't it easier if you have a clear division between projects that we translate and then projects that others translate? [04:22] maybe it's just me being confused here... [04:22] it is [04:22] ok...? [04:22] why divide it up like that? [04:22] ok listen [04:23] the current i18n l10n whatever you want to call it system is geeky [04:23] you need technically proficient people to get into translating upstream this way [04:23] rosetta is a tool to let anyone translate strings in an application with a simple web interface [04:23] and it automates merging with the traditional po files [04:24] upstream and downstream and wherever you want [04:24] you are looking for a problem that isnt here [04:25] the rosetta tool is great [04:25] but? [04:26] but some translations are made by the ubuntu project, and some by others. why can I go to launchpad and translate a project that 1) already is translated elsewhere and 2) is not a ubuntu project? [04:26] sigh [04:26] did you look at rosetta yet [04:26] I've already used it man :) [04:27] then you would know that it includes upstream translations [04:27] https://launchpad.net/products/abiword/+translations [04:27] note the color codes [04:27] and you can get other upstream projects imported into rosetta, iirc [04:28] it works on top of upstream strings [04:28] not in place of them [04:29] if you are still concerned you should talk to the rosetta mailing list [04:30] im sure they could better explain the synchronization effors [04:31] ok, I think the whole upstream thing is what I'm missing [04:31] do you have a page or something describing it? tried searching the wiki without luck === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] basically I'm confused about the division between "what belongs to ubuntu" and "what is just included in ubuntu but is maintained on other sites" [04:32] https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaUseCases?highlight=%28rosetta%29 [04:33] https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaWorkflow?highlight=%28rosetta%29 [04:33] some use cases [04:33] most of luanchpad doesnt have thorough documentation yet, like i said you can ask the mailing list for specifics === MojOrow [n=hbecker@d150-37-128.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] in which package do i find the "shut down"-string in the log out-dialogue window? [04:56] (in launchpad/rosetta that is) [04:57] gdm or gnome-session, I guess [05:04] what is the difference between hibernate and suspend? [05:04] when logging out? === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] hibernate turns the computer off completely [05:08] suspend just puts it in low-power mode, iirc [05:08] suspend-to-ram, it's supposed to only use as much power as the RAM needs to keep the information === stone__ [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] so, what's the difference between shut down and hibernate? [05:16] hibernate saves your current state to swap and then resumes it when you turn the computer back on, so other than the time needed to reload that state it's like you never turned the computer off [05:17] also, when i choose hibernate the computer is locked, not shutted down [05:17] err [05:17] i.e. i get a screensave with a lock function [05:18] yeah, that's not what is supposed to happen [05:18] so why does it? [05:18] what am i, god? ;) [05:19] i have no idea, i only know the 10,000 ft view of how all this stuff works [05:19] so it's just a bug, right? [05:19] the details are mostly lost on me [05:19] yeah, i'd say so [05:19] well, thanks for the help [05:21] amalthea: you have to enable suspend to RAM in /etc/default/acpi-support === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === MojOrow [n=hbecker@d150-37-128.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] Fuck an hour and a half to build lyx only to FTBFS :-( [05:48] bddebian: heh [05:48] Hey, that's not funny :-) [05:49] \sh_away: gah [05:50] \sh_away: libofx -> [05:50] \sh_away: .la wasnt the only file [05:50] \sh_away: /usr/lib/libofx.a [05:50] bddebian: is lyx FTBFS on i386? It was working a week ago. [05:51] and yeah it takes awhile to compile [05:51] I had to put up with that just to add a desktop file and icon :( [05:51] bmonty: Aye. I was just trying to add an xml file for mime types :-) [05:52] like I said...annoying! === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [06:07] no love for delayed flights and lost luggage, no sir. [06:08] hey crimsun. On travel? === patricia_ [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [06:08] tritium: hi. Yep. [06:08] crimsun: Amen to that [06:08] crimsun: sorry to hear about the problemw [06:08] problems [06:09] just a bit o' clothing, nothing much. [06:10] crimsun: I always get a good chuckle at the jackasses they hire to drive my luggage out to the house [06:16] Where are you off to, crimsun? [06:17] tritium: back from Atlanta [06:17] I had to pick up my sister from the airport, and NWA lost her luggage - shipped it to LAX instead of GSO. [06:18] yikes [06:18] Isn't Atlanta a bit far from IBM? [06:18] Then they discovered that they _think_ they shipped it to LAX. [06:18] (I'm in NC currently with the university.) [06:19] Oh, I didn't realize you were still with the university. I thought the IBM job was a permanent move. === bmonty curses at this friggin cdbs package === tambaqui [n=patricia@200-230-130-118-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [06:27] bddebian: feel like uploading a package for me? [06:29] bmonty: Sure [06:29] can I email you a debdiff? === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.92.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] Sure [06:29] bddebian@comcast.net === zarcx [n=gabriel8@adsl-11-65-93.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] sent [06:34] what is the convention to mark a package as fixed on the FTBFS pages? [06:36] Good freakin' question :-0 [06:37] delete it? [06:37] make sure you wait till its uploaded [06:37] remove it from the list and/or write something next to it [06:37] and that it builds on all arches [06:37] or at least, mark it off the arches it does build on [06:38] k [06:39] bmonty: Uploaded [06:39] thanks, bddebian [06:39] NP, gotta be good for SOMETHING ;-) === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-122-217.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] thats what you think [06:40] ok, then get me a beer :) [06:40] he'll probably forget to uncap it ;p [06:40] Yagisan: what city are you in? [06:41] or make a pour with too much head [06:41] haha [06:41] poor bddebian === bmonty likes his guiness with a shamrock in the head [06:41] Lathiat: Sydney [06:42] Yagisan: ah cool [06:42] Yagisan: <-- perth [06:42] Lathiat: Specifically, Lidcombe [06:42] Lathiat: cool - I had my business cards shipped from Perth, they were better then the local businesses [06:43] seems like there are lots of aussies hacking on Ubuntu :) [06:43] Heh [06:44] really - your not one too :-P [06:44] Yagisan: lol [06:44] anyone here familiar with qemu ? [06:45] who me? I would never make that claim :) === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Yagisan really wants multi-client-arch support in ltsp === x_madbot [n=marcelo@200191022032-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [06:48] can anyone here build powerpc chroots ? [06:48] I got a "chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory" === [cyb3rM4N] [n=cyb3rM4N@200165254158.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [06:50] when is dapper out ? [06:51] this month [06:51] Yagisan: I think that error happens if you forget to delete one of the files when you copy in the apt configuration [06:51] did you use the wiki instructions? [06:52] bmonty: I ran the standard debootstrap script: sudo debootstrap --arch powerpc breezy powerpc http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [06:53] bmonty: the thing is I can run the individual programs - but debootstrap failed on me [06:53] bmonty: and I correctly set up binfmt_misc [06:53] Yagisan: check out the pbuilder howto in the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [06:54] not sure if that will help...I don't use debootstrap [06:54] bmonty: Thanks - I double checked that first though [06:56] bmonty: I'm trying to figure out if my bug is in debootstrap, qemu or is pebac [06:56] bmonty: (amd64)jamie@doomguy:/opt/ltsp$ uname -a [06:56] Linux doomguy 2.6.12-9-amd64-k8 #1 Thu Oct 6 11:47:16 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux [06:57] bmonty: (amd64)jamie@doomguy:/opt/ltsp$ file /opt/ltsp/powerpc/bin/pwd [06:57] /opt/ltsp/powerpc/bin/pwd: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [06:57] bmonty: (amd64)jamie@doomguy:/opt/ltsp$ /opt/ltsp/powerpc/bin/pwd [06:57] /opt/ltsp [06:57] cool [06:58] bmonty: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17297 I'm trying to get "non-trivial" support going [06:59] Yagisan: looks over my head...about the only thing I know about ltsp is what is stands for [07:00] bmonty: no worries - I need it working for work so I did the trivial stuff quickly - now for the non-trivial [07:01] bmonty: who knows - I may get my own full multi-arch going :) [07:01] this would allow you to have a different arch on the client than what is on the server? [07:01] or is it to get the software to build for other arches? [07:02] bmonty: It's for clients that are different to the server [07:02] bmonty: future plans are to expand it to build for non-native arch [07:04] bmonty: At work I have one 2GHz amd64 box - and several 233-333MHz P2/K62 boxes. standard ubuntu ltsp didn't support that [07:04] at least you aren't locked into a single vendor for terminals :) === x_madbot [n=marcelo@200191022032-dial-user-ECP.acessonet.com.br] has left #ubuntu-MOTU ["Fui] [07:05] bmonty: that is one of the best reasons - I'm trying to add support for powerpc, sparc, arm and i386 on various hosts [07:06] bmonty: started with powerpc as ubuntu supports that officially [07:06] I've been trying to get some of network guys to look at terminal servers at my work [07:06] our workstations are locked down so hard they might as well be terminals [07:08] bmonty: the only issues I've found are 1) opengl is software only so far [07:08] 2) depending on how many clients you have you may need to upgrade some network infrastructure [07:09] bmonty: that means - no multiple terminals running wesnoth or vegastrike for me [07:09] Yagisan: opengl won't be an issue...and I think scalability would be the biggest problem to solve. [07:09] bmonty: depending on your workload opengl is an issue - when you run an opengl app it chews bandwidth [07:10] I mean...opengl isn't an issue because it wouldn't be used [07:10] bmonty: I did some tests in 2004 - scalablity isn't to much of a problem [07:11]