[12:26] <mhz> anyone here that may help me see WHY this DHCP local setting is not working?
[12:26] <mhz> please :)
[12:54] <mhz> Tengo: 1 tarro de server con 2 interfaces (eth0 y eth1) + 1 router Dlink (DI-704p) + 1 Modem VTR (
[12:54] <mhz> Motorola)
[12:54] <mhz> arkan0x, sorry
[12:55] <arkan0x> mhz: por pv
[12:59] <mhz> arkan0x, me lees el PV?
[03:55] <mhz_edu> hay, alguine aca?
[03:55] <mhz_edu> anyone here?
[03:57] <pitux> yes
[03:57] <pitux> mhz from chile?
[03:58] <mhz_edu> indeed
[03:58] <mhz_edu> you?
[03:59] <mhz_edu> tambien?
[03:59] <mhz_edu> heheh
[03:59] <pitux> yes 
[03:59] <pitux> i have a project call freemath.cl
[03:59] <pitux> with my friends 
[03:59] <mhz_edu> hahahah
[03:59] <mhz_edu> Matematicas Libre?
[04:00] <pitux> yeah
[04:00] <pitux> soy el jose
[04:00] <pitux> ciomo estay mauricio?
[04:00] <mhz_edu> Maestro, como estas?
[04:00] <mhz_edu> Ya llevo bastantes testeos de edubuntu
[04:00] <pitux> super aca entreteniendome un poco por el chat
[04:00] <pitux> me parece super
[04:01] <mhz_edu> preparandonos porque queda poco tiem[po y mucho por hacer
[04:01] <mhz_edu> debo presentar las cubuiertas de los cd antes del jueves
[04:01] <mhz_edu> revisar la documentacion existente en ingles y afinar algunos detalles sueltos
[04:01] <pitux> tu estas encargado de eso
[04:02] <pitux> congratulations
[04:02] <mhz_edu> eso = CD ?
[04:02] <mhz_edu> eso = docs ?
[04:02] <pitux> cd?
[04:02] <mhz_edu> sip
[04:02] <pitux> a que taquilla
[04:02] <mhz_edu> Ha habido bastante discusion sobre ese tema porque no nos darian fondos para envios a paises
[04:03] <pitux> buuuuu
[04:03] <pitux> yo en el colegio que estoy trabajando vamos a migrar a ubuntu
[04:03] <mhz_edu> Afortunadamente, Canonical nos dara algnuas lucas para imprimir CD's y hacer pequnos envios suuuuper restringidos.
[04:03] <pitux> probe breezy anda muy bien
[04:03] <pitux> sera no mas
[04:03] <mhz_edu> pitux, Genial!!
[04:04] <pitux> te voy a invitar un dia pa que vayay pa lla
[04:04] <mhz_edu> CD's/ en todo caso, si puedes ayudarnos l lanzamiento de Eubuntu, me seria de muchisimo alivio
[04:04] <pitux> a que te refieres?
[04:04] <mhz_edu> pitux, por favor! Feliz de ir
[04:04] <pitux> nosotros ahora vamos a usar breezy para el proximo ao
[04:05] <pitux> edubuntu no lo he probado
[04:05] <pitux> pero no se si tendria sentido porque no vamos a usar LTSP
[04:05] <mhz_edu> En Chile, y por la colaboracion que he hecho, Canonical me pasara cerca de 150 CD's que deseo entregar en una serie de pqueneos y modestos eventos promocionales de demo
[04:05] <mhz_edu> ahh
[04:05] <pitux> las maquinas igual corren de maravillas
[04:05] <mhz_edu> es casi lo mismo
[04:05] <mhz_edu> exacto
[04:06] <mhz_edu> en esos eventos, si pudieras ayudarno seria genial
[04:06] <pitux> te planteo lo siguiente
[04:06] <mhz_edu> juega
[04:06] <pitux> anda a hablarnos de edubuntu
[04:06] <pitux> a la U
[04:06] <pitux> te consigo lugar gente etc
[04:07] <mhz_edu> perfecto! Podriamos ver una fecha cercana al alanzamiento oficial :D
[04:07] <pitux> lo que pasa es que se viene la semana de la facultad
[04:07] <mhz_edu> Mail/ Lorna me informo que al parecer no te llegaban mis mails. Te puedo enviar el programa del evento del 18 en Palaya ancha?
[04:08] <pitux> la semana de la ciencia y a mi ya me pidieron que diera una charla
[04:08] <pitux> sip
[04:08] <mhz_edu> charla/ y cuando te acomodaria que fuera ahabvlar de edubuntu entonces, antes?
[04:08] <pitux> pero es escribeme a este
[04:08] <pitux> edu.freesoftware at gmail.com
[04:08] <pitux> esa misma semana
[04:08] <pitux> se hablara de temas variados
[04:09] <mhz_edu> tienes un temario?
[04:09] <pitux> nop
[04:09] <pitux> yo no lo organizo a mi solo me invitaron a exponer
[04:09] <pitux> pero voy a ver al organizador el martes
[04:09] <pitux> y le digo que si puede te haga un espacio
[04:10] <mhz_edu> seria ideal!
[04:10] <pitux> si pues
[04:10] <mhz_edu> y desde cuando a cuando es la semana?
[04:10] <pitux> es mas menos por ahi por el 24
[04:10] <pitux> tu vas a iquique?
[04:10] <mhz_edu> despues del encentro Linux, menos mal
[04:10] <mhz_edu> me faltan entre 80 y 90 lucas para ir
[04:10] <mhz_edu> :(
[04:10] <pitux> yo no voy
[04:11] <mhz_edu> booh
[04:12] <pitux> es que de verdad
[04:12] <pitux> no tengo mayor interes en ir
[04:12] <mhz_edu> por que?
[04:12] <mhz_edu> ah, claro  a mi me sirve para dar tarjetas :D
[04:12] <pitux> las charlas no me llaman mucho la atencion
[04:12] <mhz_edu> te entiendo
[04:13] <pitux> y la unica de educacion la va a dar werner que ya la he escuchado demasiado
[04:13] <mhz_edu> respecto al colegio.. cual es?
[04:13] <pitux> el francisco de mirand
[04:13] <mhz_edu> ?
[04:13] <pitux> miranda
[04:13] <mhz_edu> ?
[04:13] <mhz_edu> :)
[04:13] <pitux> www.franciscodemiranda.cl
[04:13] <mhz_edu> oooh
[04:14] <pitux> quisiera tener mas tiempo
[04:14] <mhz_edu> escoba
[04:14] <pitux> oye estaba pensando si voy pa valpo
[04:14] <mhz_edu> yo me doy cuenta que demasiado voluntariado y pocas lucas :D
[04:14] <mhz_edu> por que? tiempo
[04:15] <mhz_edu> ?
[04:15] <pitux> ir a las otras ues a promocionar ML
[04:15] <mhz_edu> esa era la idea
[04:15] <pitux> necesitamos reunir gente en ML
[04:15] <mhz_edu> entonces.. ahora mismo te envio el mail de uno de los encargados.. w8
[04:15] <pitux> ya pues
[04:16] <mhz_edu> flash en sitios me deja la escoba si no lo instalo :(
[04:16] <mhz_edu> toda la gente le da con flash
[04:17] <pitux> no recibo ningun correo tuyo aun
[04:17] <mhz_edu> es que se me habia pegado el firefox :(
[04:17] <pitux> ok
[04:19] <mhz_edu> enviado ok
[04:19] <mhz_edu> este es parte del mensaje original del "copyleft" :
[04:19] <mhz_edu> Por lo de incluir a mas personas no hay problemas, eso si, si vienen
[04:19] <mhz_edu> de Santiago, se podria costear el pasaje solo para 5, por lo que
[04:19] <mhz_edu> deben, si es posible, Faxiarme los pasajes o ver otra forma de
[04:19] <mhz_edu> hacerlo, para esto espero respuesta de uds. Lo que tambien tenia
[04:19] <mhz_edu> pensado era enviar un mail a educalibre para invitar a toda la
[04:19] <mhz_edu> comunidad al foro debate, no se si es buena idea.
[04:20] <mhz_edu> de momento vamos 3 personajes (Victor Moral, Alejandro Vera y yo)
[04:20] <mhz_edu> pitux, si tu deseas ir, aprovechamos la oferta del pasaje
[04:20] <mhz_edu> :)
[04:20] <pitux> que dia es?
[04:20] <mhz_edu> el martes 18
[04:21] <pitux> vamos
[04:21] <mhz_edu> Como ves, el programa se habia terminado de llebnar cuando te avise (porque no te llego mi mail, parece)
[04:21] <mhz_edu> asiq ue donde si podras opinar es en el "foro".
[04:21] <pitux> demas
[04:22] <mhz_edu> de todos modos, durante mi charla la meos, si menciono a Matematicas Libre
[04:22] <mhz_edu> ls meos = al menos
[04:22] <pitux> si me gustaria ir a la catolica de valparaiso
[04:22] <pitux> a hablar con los compaeros de mi carrera alla
[04:22] <pitux> y contarles lo que es el software libre
[04:22] <mhz_edu> Te pediria que por favor enviaras un mail al "copyleft" para informarle sobre lo que hacen.
[04:23] <pitux> no te entiendo
[04:23] <mhz_edu> Yo por mi lado, manana le enviare un correo informando oficialmente que iriamos 4 (3 desde Santiago)
[04:23] <mhz_edu> scontarle sobre ML
[04:24] <pitux> el problema es como contacto a la gente de Valpo 
[04:24] <pitux> los que estudian matematica
[04:24] <mhz_edu> en el forward que te envie...no aparece e?
[04:24] <mhz_edu> te llego el mail?
[04:24] <pitux> ok
[04:25] <pitux> kdohas
[04:25] <mhz_edu> BTW, entiendes de redes?
[04:25] <pitux> algo
[04:25] <mhz_edu> kdohash@gmail.com yes, ese
[04:26] <pitux> igual dile que revise la pag
[04:27] <mhz_edu> pitux, llevo mas de 16 horaas peleando con una config de DHCP local y no hay caso. Solo me funciona cuando uso el cable cruzado y no el router. entiendo que el router debe estar haciendo DHCOP por su lado, pero no logro entrar a su seteo pues esta configurado por GTD y no tengo acceso
[04:27] <mhz_edu> obvio
[04:27] <pitux> mmmmmmm
[04:27] <pitux> escapa a mis precarios conocimientos
[04:27] <mhz_edu> heheh
[04:27] <mhz_edu> ok
[04:27] <pitux> DHCP para mi se traduce en dhclient
[04:28] <mhz_edu> a los mio tambien
[04:28] <mhz_edu> :)
[04:28] <pitux> y tenemos internet jejejeje
[04:28] <mhz_edu> Deberia haber mas gente concetada los fines de smean
[04:28] <mhz_edu> semana
[04:28] <pitux> es cierto
[04:28] <mhz_edu> ayer, logre bootear e instalr edubuntu desde el servidor edubuntu hacia un laptop sin CD ni floppy
[04:29] <mhz_edu> con la ayuda de un Japones que vive en australia, y terminamos cerca de las 06:00 am chilena
[04:30] <mhz_edu> Claro, como era un caso "especial" aun no habia doc oficial para eso
[04:30] <pitux> ahhhhhhh
[04:30] <pitux> yo ya no trasnocho
[04:30] <pitux> antes lo hacia
[04:31] <mhz_edu> Zaurus/ sabes de laguien interesado en comprar la Zaurus? Ahora la tengo con rom GPE (X y gnome) o con Opie
[04:31] <pitux> ahora a mas tardar a las dos me acuesto
[04:31] <pitux> cuanto?
[04:31] <mhz_edu> conocidos: 165.000
[04:31] <pitux> ok
[04:32] <pitux> me pagaron mi primer sueldo y se me fue mi primer sueldo
[04:32] <pitux> jejejeje
[04:32] <pitux> asi que para otro momento
[04:32] <pitux> tal vez te moleste con un laptop
[04:32] <mhz_edu> yo no deseo transnochar pero como debo apurarme para cumplir con mis compromios aduiridos (sino pierdo status en esta comunidad y paso a ser un chileno mas irresponsable), debo hacerlo a veces
[04:33] <mhz_edu> Laptop: en este momento, tengo un Fujitsu, 10.4 pulgadas, 500 Mhz celeron, 256 Ram
[04:33] <mhz_edu> y touchscreen
[04:33] <pitux> ya pero mas menos que precio estan teniendo?
[04:34] <pitux> necesito algo super liviano
[04:34] <pitux> pa la mochila
[04:34] <mhz_edu> ese celeron, cerca  de $360.000 y pesa aprox. 1.35 kgs
[04:35] <mhz_edu> de hecho estoy pensando seriamente en dejarmelo
[04:35] <mhz_edu> :D
[04:35] <mhz_edu> pero no deberia
[04:36] <pitux> jaja
[04:37] <pitux> yo creo que pal proximo a~no recien me hago de uno
[04:37] <mhz_edu> np
[04:37] <mhz_edu> podrias esperar a los del MIT
[04:37] <pitux> jajaja
[04:37] <mhz_edu> Finalmente, creo que vienen con ROM
[04:37] <pitux> es cierto
[04:37] <mhz_edu> y no HD
[04:37] <mhz_edu> asi se entienden muchas cosas :)
[04:38] <mhz_edu> ya me habia sustado
[04:38] <mhz_edu> yo lo mas barato que podria conseguir, comprando 600 unidades minimo, es U$250
[04:39] <mhz_edu> pero con casi 1 GHz, 256 Ram, 10 GB, 10.4 pulgadas
[04:39] <mhz_edu> sin calcular costo de internacion, eso si :(
[04:39] <pitux> oye ya envie el correo a copyleft
[04:39] <mhz_edu> genial
[04:39] <mhz_edu> yo apenas resuelva el cachito de dhcp, lo redacto
[04:40] <pitux> ok te debo trabajar
[04:40] <pitux> un gusto hablar contigo
[04:40] <mhz_edu> okidoki
[04:40] <mhz_edu> igual pascal!
[04:40] <pitux> me mandas un correo
[04:40] <pitux> pa lo de valpo
[04:40] <mhz_edu> si pues
[04:40] <mhz_edu> saludos a los vecinillos
[04:40] <mhz_edu> del ML
[04:42] <pitux> ok
[08:37] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW 
[08:43] <JaneW> hello
[09:38] <highvoltage> JaneW: hi
[09:38] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[09:39] <highvoltage> how are you, JaneW?
[09:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: well thanks and you?
[09:40] <JaneW> Good weekends?
[09:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: been using my MP3 player :)
[09:41] <highvoltage> yes, good weekend.
[09:41] <highvoltage> i hit a low-point on saturday night though, danced to a britney spears song and avril lavigne.
[09:43] <highvoltage> Need to get 499MB/716MB of archives.
[09:43] <highvoltage> wow :)
[09:46] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[09:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: aarrgh!
[09:53] <JaneW> I hope alcohol is to blame ;)
[09:55] <highvoltage> yes. and the dj was playing good songs before that.
[09:55] <highvoltage> at least i didn't work this weekend. it's the first weekend this year that i haven't worked. and not the slightest feeling of guilt, very liberating.
[10:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: good for you!
[10:09] <highvoltage> :)
[10:09] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i finally nailed a nice job
[10:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: !!!!!
[10:10] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: congratulations
[10:10] <JaneW> really?
[10:10] <JaneW> jsgotangco: awesome news congrats :)))
[10:10] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i'll be working in Brisbane for quite a while
[10:10] <JaneW> Oz!?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:10] <JaneW> contracting or moving there
[10:10] <JaneW> with family?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> oh no not yet
[10:11] <jsgotangco> i'll be working with an Oz-based mobile content provider
[10:11] <JaneW> jsgotangco: so you'll need to go without them ? :/
[10:11] <JaneW> cool, sounds interesting
[10:11] <jsgotangco> yes
[10:11] <jsgotangco> the company's name is Gametel
[10:12] <jsgotangco> i'll be one of the pioneer team members in the aspac region
[10:13] <jsgotangco> its carrier grade RHEL at work
[10:13] <JaneW> must be  a relief to have found something
[10:13] <jsgotangco> its quite exciting
[10:14] <jsgotangco> carrier grade is something really different
[10:15] <JaneW> oic
[10:16] <jsgotangco> they have different terms really
[10:16] <jsgotangco> MVNO, MVOs stuff like that
[10:16] <jsgotangco> its a telco thing
[10:17] <JaneW> I know mvo ;)
[10:17] <JaneW> Michael Vogt :P
[10:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW, think mobile ringtones and games
[10:27] <JaneW> ok, fun
[11:19] <hno73> highvoltage: thanks for your screenshot. I see there are a few more things I need to tweak.
[11:20] <hno73> highvoltage: Do you want to set up the static pages to match or shall I?
[11:20] <jsgotangco> hey hno73 
[11:20] <hno73> jsgotangco: Hey!  I see you've joined the Accessibility team too. cool :)
[11:21] <jsgotangco> hno73, yep interested on it really
[11:21] <hno73> I'll be writing some more specs on that shortly
[11:21] <jsgotangco> nice count me in
[11:21] <jsgotangco> i'd love to help out on that area
[11:22] <hno73> It should tie in with edubuntu in various ways too
[11:22] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:22] <jsgotangco> i have particular interest with the blind
[11:22] <hno73> OK, we'll start making some plans soon
[11:23] <hno73> That's probably where we'll put in the most effort too, because it's a big challenge
[11:23] <jsgotangco> but that didn't stop him from being a bigshot ebay seller
[11:23] <hno73> oh, right
[11:23] <hno73> :)
[11:23] <jsgotangco> he's earning more than me really heh
[11:24] <hno73> well, opportunities are always better to focus on than limitations
[11:24] <highvoltage> hno73: if you have the time, i'd be very grateful
[11:25] <hno73> I wonder if we should set up our own mailing list for AT
[11:25] <hno73> highvoltage: OK, that allows me to be dictatorial about it :)
[11:25] <hno73> highvoltage: can you send me the page contents?
[11:26] <hno73> I guess there is some text, etc. to go on those pages
[11:26] <hno73> and how is the server side going?
[11:26] <jsgotangco> hno73, i guess when you have the specs out and we have a concrete plan of action
[11:27] <hno73> jsgotangco: yep, after breezy release we can regroup and brainstorm 
[11:27] <highvoltage> hno73: you mean the text on this page? http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/4/
[11:28] <hno73> highvoltage: the download and community pages. Do I just scrape the wiki?
[11:32] <mhz> hey
[11:33] <mhz> hno73, ping
[11:33] <hno73> mhz, pong
[11:33] <mhz> morning
[11:33] <mhz> I have another observation about the theme
[11:33] <hno73> morning. you're up early :)
[11:33] <hno73> ok
[11:34] <mhz> yes, Yesterday at 23:40 or so, there was a powercut. I decided to finish my pending issues to be solved no matter what, before 09:00 AM today. Power was restored a couple of hours ago.
[11:35] <mhz> it is 06:35 now
[11:35] <hno73> :)
[11:35] <hno73> so, what did you notice about the theme?
[11:35] <mhz> theme/ the font for {{{this code}}} is to small
[11:36] <hno73> OK, do you have suggestions for what it should be?
[11:36] <mhz> and == Headings == (afaik, those belong to h3) don't seem to be headings
[11:37] <hno73> what do you mean, not headings?
[11:38] <mhz> well, yes and nop. I have not touched a moin theme in the last 3-4 months. However, I do rememeber it is a simple opyion (it took me a couple of hours to identify which lines was).
[11:38] <hno73> mhz, I have a question for you too. Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyntaxReference
[11:39] <mhz> Once I solve my DHCP issue and can boot the laptop into Edubuntu installation (from HD), I promise I can dive into my old themes (I commented every line)
[11:39] <hno73> why do the interwiki icons point to the ubuntu theme, and not edubuntu?
[11:39] <hno73> where is that path set, I cant find it ...
[11:40] <hno73> ok, I could try #moin too if I get stuck
[11:40] <mhz> hehehe, it feels good I was not the only one diggin in the theme codes :D
[11:40] <mhz> let me see
[11:46] <hno73> mhz, what do you mean by h3 not being headers? that they should have an underline?
[11:47] <highvoltage> hno73: sorry, was away. yes, I think we should link to the wiki as much as possible.
[11:48] <hno73> OK, that's easy then. thanks.
[11:48] <hno73> Is there progress on the server, or shall I just set one up?
[11:50] <mhz_edu> re
[11:51] <mhz_edu> hno73, sorry. IAs I said, i need to solve this stupid issues asap. :D
[11:53] <mhz_edu> hno73, regarding the H3 headings (which correspond to == heading == in moin), see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromKnoppix and you'll understand what I mean
[11:56] <hno73> um, that page has no ==, just [11:57] <hno73> So that's a fault of whoever wrote the page I think.
[11:59] <mhz_edu> hno73, got it! Smileys on this page are actually a Macro, according to what Raw Text shows: = Smileys =
[11:59] <mhz_edu> [[ShowSmileys] ] 
[12:00] <mhz_edu> hno73, right. [12:00] <mhz_edu> Are  Hx bold ?
[12:00] <mhz_edu> Smileys/ I had no idea there was a macro for that
[12:00] <hno73> No, only the page title, h1
[12:00] <mhz_edu> Hx/ ah, why?
[12:01] <hno73> why not bold?
[12:01] <mhz_edu> Smileys/ let me dig a little more ..
[12:01] <mhz_edu> yes
[12:02] <hno73> I think it looks good non-bold :) It also has an underline
[12:06] <mhz_edu> Smileys/ hmmm, my python is still terrible (shame on me) but here's the code if you can get it. http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/macro/ShowSmileys.py
[12:07] <mhz_edu> imho, the macro gets the icons from "somewhere" else, not from "your icons" location
[12:08] <mhz_edu> OR the soluction could be to write that table "manually". I am sure icons will be yours then
[12:08] <hno73> hm, I don't see the path hard coded anywhere
[12:08] <mhz_edu> me neither, hence I said "my python is terrible" :D
[12:09] <hno73> It's strange. Other pages seem to use the correct globe icon for links
[12:10] <hno73> SyntaxReference uses the old ubuntu one while FromKnoppix uses the nice new gartoon one 
[12:11] <mhz_edu> yes, hence I am 99% sure the macro gets icosn from somewhere else UNLESS they're cahced which I think it's illogical
[12:11] <mhz_edu> cahced = cahced
[12:11] <mhz_edu> cahced = cached :D
[12:12] <mhz_edu> BTW, this is the theme for Tecnocimiento (i started it a few weeks ago (just coloring  so far, not "code") http://www.tecnocimiento.cl/SyntaxReference
[12:13] <hno73> ah, that's cool
[12:14] <hno73> Perhaps SyntaxRef gets cached because it's a macro
[12:14] <hno73> that's silly
[12:14] <mhz_edu> nha, too simple yet. I hope I can have time to get into code soon
[12:14] <hno73> it actually has this link in the code <a href="http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/"><img src="/htdocs/ubuntu/img/u-www.png" 
[12:14] <mhz_edu> exactly, that's my point
[12:14] <hno73> pointing to the wrong png
[12:14] <hno73> grrr
[12:15] <mhz_edu> LOL
[12:15] <mhz_edu> see? we were right
[12:15] <hno73> I'll have to ask admins to flush the cache at some point
[12:16] <hno73> heh
[12:16] <hno73> Your testing has been very helpful too
[12:16] <mhz_edu> your welcome
[12:17] <hno73> I'll upload an improved version later, but now I have to do the static page stuff
[12:17] <mhz_edu> Headings/ then why H3 is not underlined? 
[12:17] <mhz_edu> i agree
[12:17] <hno73> I've fixed that now
[12:17] <mhz_edu> oh, educool
[12:17] <hno73> a 1px underline
[12:18] <mhz_edu> better! more in accordance with Hx of thet theme
[12:18] <mhz_edu> H3 were kind of orphan
[12:20] <mhz_edu> hno73, Theme general/ what if H1 and H2 were a little less "on your face". Perhaps a little lighter black or "brownish".
[12:21] <mhz_edu> BTW, will these theme be released under GPL? will it be released on the "moinmoin hall of fame" themes
[12:22] <hno73> mhz_edu: I'm making them a bit smaller, but I think we will stay away from brown. crisp clean colours for edubuntu
[12:23] <mhz_edu> ogra, I could successfully netboot and install a "server" option from Edubuntu box to the Fujistlu laptop :D
[12:23] <hno73> GPL, yes. where should Upload them? I might just make versions without logos first
[12:23] <mhz_edu> ogra, now, I wanted to install the whole edubuntu package, what should I do?
[12:23] <hno73> versions with the MM logo would be cool
[12:23] <mhz_edu> yeah!
[12:24] <mhz_edu> ThemeMarket should be the place
[12:24] <hno73> OK, I'll upload both themes soonish
[12:25] <mhz_edu> hno73, so these theme will not be subject of : "no, you can't modify the theme fonts, lines, colors,etc. Not even turn them around..." stanzas
[12:25] <mhz_edu> okidoki
[12:25] <hno73> we should make a high visibility theme too
[12:26] <hno73> mhz_edu: what do you mean?
[12:26] <mhz_edu> Oh yes! That's important and thoughtful. Ping me if you need anything else I can help you with.
[12:27] <mhz_edu> basically, everything regarding edubuntu logo it has some weired understandable but not fully accepted restrictions
[12:27] <hno73> right, yeah, so we would just remove that and people can do what they want with the theme
[12:28] <mhz_edu> like you can't turn the logo around, you can't give it a twist, etc
[12:28] <mhz_edu> exactly :D
[12:28] <mhz_edu> especially, "people" like mhz :D
[12:29] <mhz_edu> Instead with the Debian logo, I rememebr I could make it look whatever I felt like
[12:29] <hno73> hm, ok
[12:30] <mhz_edu> well, ping me if I can help
[12:30] <hno73> thanks
[12:31] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> lol
[12:33] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> jsgotangco, hi there
[12:33] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:33] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> jsgotangco, are you also part of ubuntu doc?
[12:34] <jsgotangco> yes i manage some stuff over there
[12:34] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> more specifically.. are you part of Wiki ubuntu doc team?
[12:34] <jsgotangco> no not really
[12:34] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> oh
[12:35] <jsgotangco> i clean up wikis whenever i can
[12:35] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> who can I talk to about it?
[12:35] <jsgotangco> i mostly focus on the docbook svn
[12:35] <jsgotangco> mhz_fightin_dhcp, what about?
[12:35] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> I have noticed docs there are not taking advante of moin potential on "auto organizing", basically.
[12:36] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[12:36] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> advante = advantage
[12:36] <jsgotangco> you might want to post a comment on that on the ubuntu-doc list
[12:36] <jsgotangco> im sure robitaille and mdke can pick it up
[12:36] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> ok, thanks
[12:37] <jsgotangco> and the moment the ubuntu wiki is being hammered by the italian team
[12:37] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:37] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> jsgotangco, and regarding the current edubuntu docs, the only thing I think I can be useful about is translating and editing wiki syntax so docs get more wiki like features.
[12:39] <jsgotangco> mhz_fightin_dhcp, sure do whatever you can, i'll pick it up soonish (tommorow) i have to finish some more stuff before the release not sure really if edubuntu will get released the same day ogra?
[12:39] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> but my english is not that powerful as to edit, and my technical knowledge is already covered on the current pages, exept for a couple of how tos I could wiki soon
[12:39] <ogra> jsgotangco, it has to...
[12:40] <ogra> jsgotangco, at lest we cant do changes after the archives are locked down... why wait after that...
[12:40] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> .oO(wise)
[12:44] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> ogra, once I was successfully installing from netboot onto the client, was there any chance I could specify apt to load PCMCIA cd drive instead of the 2-3 hours from repositories?
[12:44] <ogra> mhz_fightin_dhcp, dunno... i'm not the installer guy... but i guess you need to have the drivers loaded... probably in expert mode...
[12:45] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> ok, thx
[12:46] <ogra> mhz_fightin_dhcp, perobably Kamion knows, but he's even more busy than me 3 days before release
[12:50] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> ok, I understand
[12:59] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> ogra, I think these are maybe the last 2 questions before I go out to install edubuntu on a real server (I have the 1st official demo tomorrow for the Tecnocimiento gang): does DHCP only and only depend on /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ? If so, if DHCP is not working properly, the only config file related to dhcp (not ~/interfaces) is that under /ltsp/?       And 2nd: After creating ~./xsession to exec fluxbox (example) How can I make L
[12:59] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> DM actually load that instead fo resource consuming GNOME? 
[01:01] <ogra> it should use it automatically
[01:01] <ogra> ldm only starts /etc/X11/Xsession from the server...
[01:01] <ogra> this is a script that should pick up your ~/.xsession or ~/.Xsession
[01:02] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> ah, perfect, then dhcp/ may be hardware or network config only (relief) and x/ should be easy then.
[01:02] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> thank you very much!
[01:03] <ogra> if you didnt touch the /etc/dhcpd.conf file, it should just work...
[01:03] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> yes
[01:03] <ogra> so any error you can introduce must be in /etc/ltsp
[01:04] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> by concer was that if I did touch /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf but then I reversed it to default, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf should then work
[01:04] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> by =my 
[01:05] <ogra> if its exactly the same after you reversed, then yes
[01:06] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> becasue dhcp under /ltsp is 'authoritative' and then rules over /dhcp3
[01:06] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> (at least, based on what /init/dhcp explains
[01:06] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> :)
[01:06] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> no problem.
[01:06] <mhz_fightin_dhcp> thx again. (as usual)
[01:24] <ogra> hno73, around ? 
[01:25] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto looks a bit like a road construction with the edubuntu css... can we make the dashed border a bit thinner around code blocks ? 
[01:57] <mhz_vs_ldm> ogra, any installation made with last friday's iso will work ok with release apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:57] <mhz_vs_ldm> or we'd better re-install that day?
[01:57] <ogra> nope... just upgrade
[01:58] <mhz_vs_ldm> oh! excellent
[02:10] <hno73> ogra: yep, try now
[02:11] <hno73> ogra, fixed
[02:11] <ogra> thanks :)
[03:37] <mhz_breakfast> re
[04:07] <mhz> hehehe
[04:08] <mhz> I am on the Fujitsu, with Edward Ubuntu fully installed!
[04:09] <ogra> yay
[04:19] <mhz> hmm, gompris crashes after some time
[04:19] <mhz> :(
[04:20] <ogra> do yo have the matching -sounds package installed ? 
[04:20] <ogra> note that only -en is installed by default currently... i'm just changing it 
[04:21] <ogra> confusingly the -sounds packages do not only include sounds
[04:21] <mhz> lol
[04:22] <mhz> i have not installed anything extra yet, because I am testing default install first
[04:22] <mhz> but sure I will
[04:25] <mhz> did the guys from #ltsp found why ldm ignores .xsession
[04:25] <mhz> ?
[04:26] <mhz> .oO(it feels good to have 2 edubuntu servers running locally, esp. when one is a laptop)
[04:27] <mhz> I just need to solve my dhcp issue with the router in between (i know I am using it as switch whereas it should be used as router, instead)
[04:32] <mhz> bienvenido pitux 
[04:32] <pitux> hi
[04:32] <pitux> trasnochaste?
[04:33] <mhz> pitux: edubuntu is running smoothly on this laptop, as well
[04:34] <mhz> yeah, pero se corto la luz aca, cerca de las 23:45 y volvio a las 02:40 aprox. So I got ack to business at 06:00
[04:34] <pitux> ok
[04:34] <mhz> ack = back
[04:34] <pitux> thanks. for helpme to practice my basd english
[04:34] <pitux> bad, sorry
[04:34] <mhz> no problem
[04:35] <mhz> lo bueno es que me entiendes y eso es un gran avance
[04:35] <pitux> yeah jejeje
[04:36] <mhz> I already sent the email to Valpo. Espero recibir noticias hoy o manana confirmando tu "reembolso" (if you need it)
[04:36] <mhz> de todos modos, confio en iras, cierto?
[04:36] <pitux> yes i look the mail
[04:38] <pitux> jaja 
[04:38] <pitux> your mind is lost
[04:38] <mhz> JaneW: pitux is from Universidad de Santiago and he's leading a FLOSS project called Matematicas Libre. I may be giving a talk about Edubuntu there, pretty soon.
[04:39] <pitux> who is JaneW??
[04:40] <mhz>  JaneW es la lider a cargo del proyecto Edubuntu
[04:40] <pitux> oh cool
[04:40] <mhz> y ogra el encargado de hacer la fusion Ubuntu-Edward Ubuntu :D
[04:41] <mhz> y hno73, se esta encargando del CSS theme de MoinMoin para edubuntu
[04:42] <mhz> (que esta quedando re-"gueno")
[04:42] <pitux> congratulations
[04:42] <mhz> those names, among other more people also contributing as much as possible
[04:43] <mhz> esos son uno de los "contras" cuando es feriado en Chile :( La senora manda!
[04:44] <pitux> my difficulty is the language
[04:44] <mhz> pitux: but we'll have our chilean community, of course!
[04:44] <mhz> and you're more than welcome to help us all
[04:44] <pitux> i am crazy translating in google
[04:44] <mhz> lol!!!
[04:45] <mhz> pitux: solo espera que podamos hacer lanzamiento oficial de edubuntu y nos pondremos con #edubuntu-cl o -es Ya veremos :)
[04:45] <pitux> ok
[04:46] <pitux> por ahora estoy ayudando en #ubuntu-es
[04:46] <pitux> ahi hay una comunidad entrete+
[04:46] <mhz> eso ya es algo muy bueno
[04:46] <mhz> hehehe, si
[04:47] <mhz> A mi me preocupa mas que en Chile, aun seamos muy pocos ayudando internacionalmente (no me refiero solo en ingles)
[04:47] <mhz> por eso que otra de las cosas que me ha quitado mucho tiempo es la organizacion base del instituto de tecnologia libre
[04:48] <mhz> pa' que de una vez podamos tener prescencia internacional
[04:48] <mhz> :D
[04:49] <pitux> yo ahora quiero hacer un curso de administracion de sistemas
[04:49] <mhz> donde?
[04:49] <mhz> dictarlo o asistir?
[04:50] <pitux> eso es lo que quiero ver, necesito codigo sence para que en el colegio no me pinten monos
[04:50] <mhz> hehehe, si deseas y puedes esperarte hasta diciembre, Tecnocimiento te lo podria dar
[04:50] <JaneW> mhz: awesome
[04:50] <JaneW> ola
[04:51] <mhz> hola
[04:51] <pitux> ok
[04:51] <mhz> or aloha
[04:51] <pitux> hi
[04:51] <pitux> y quien dictaria el curso
[04:52] <mhz> pitux: pero if you can't wait, then I can suggest some institutions
[04:52] <JaneW> cundo este canal lleg a ser espaol?
[04:52] <mhz> Victor Moral, Alejandro Vera, y un par de personas mas (entre programadores y administradores)
[04:52] <pitux> ok
[04:53] <pitux> esperare
[04:53] <mhz> JaneW: ehehe, considering that everyone was silent, we decided it was cool :)
[04:53] <pitux> yeah
[04:53] <pitux> all are sleeping
[04:54] <mhz> pitux: you'll meet Victor and Alejandro in Valpo.
[04:54] <pitux> ok
[04:54] <pitux> lo que quiero hacer en ese colegio 
[04:55] <pitux> es migrarlos enteros
[04:55] <pitux> es decir solo tienen computadores
[04:55] <mhz> JaneW: we hope once edubuntu gets released, an we fix some minor bugs, we can start a chilean channel :)
[04:55] <mhz> pitux: and ubuntu or edubuntu?
[04:55] <pitux> y quiero que el colegio sea un ejemplo de como hacer las cosas bine
[04:55] <pitux> bien
[04:56] <JaneW> mhz: cool!
[04:56] <pitux> lo estoy analizando
[04:56] <mhz> pitux: en colombia there's a school "gimnasio ..." something. Son 100% Software Libre
[04:56] <JaneW> mhz: litterally and figuaratively , lol
[04:56] <mhz> hehehe
[04:56] <mhz> yesp
[04:56] <pitux> como te dije las maquinas son relativamente nuevas
[04:57] <pitux> asi que no se que sentido tendria instalar clientes ligeros
[04:57] <mhz> y por eso no desean usar LTSP? or is something else?
[04:57] <mhz> LTSP is also good to minimize administration tasks and risks
[04:58] <mhz> LTSP te ayuda a simplificar y centralizar tareas, tambien
[04:58] <mhz> de otro modo, el Admin may get crazy
[04:58] <mhz> :)
[04:58] <mhz> obviamente, es tu decision
[04:59] <pitux> por eso 
[04:59] <pitux> te invito al colegio
[04:59] <mhz> si deseas, te podriamos ayudar con el analisis de costo/beneficio y ademas test edubuntu v/s ubuntu solution
[04:59] <pitux> revisamos
[05:00] <pitux> y podemos conversar con el rector el asunto de las capacitaciones
[05:00] <mhz> perfecto.
[05:00] <pitux> seriamos dos personas las que iriamos
[05:00] <pitux> a capacitarnos
[05:00] <mhz> genial!
[05:00] <mhz> educool!
[05:01] <mhz> pitux: debo lavar la loza antes de que me sigan alegando :D
[05:01] <pitux> nos vemos
[05:01] <pitux> saludos
[05:01] <pitux> yo tambien debo trabajar
[05:01] <mhz_doing_dishes> pitux: y gracias por venir al #edubuntu
[05:02] <mhz_doing_dishes> see ya
[05:02] <pitux> ;D
[10:24] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, you here?
[10:25] <jelkner> anyone here who can answer an installation question?
[10:26] <ogra> jelkner, yes, i'm here
[10:27] <jelkner> hi oliver, i'm in the middle (actually early) of an edubuntu install
[10:27] <jelkner> and i've already encountered a problem i haven't seen before
[10:27] <jelkner> i'm using today's daily build
[10:27] <jelkner> i just got to the network configuration screen
[10:28] <jelkner> i selected eth0
[10:28] <jelkner> and i see:
[10:28] <jelkner> The answer to this question has been preseeded
[10:28] <ogra> yes, known bug, fixed in tomorrows build already
[10:28] <jelkner> (netcfg/get_ipaddress). If you see this template, you've found a bug
[10:29] <jelkner> in the installer; please file a report.
[10:29] <jelkner> ok, another quesiton
[10:29] <ogra> there is a bug in the installer, it throws this error if you provide a default setting... we ripped out the default ip 
[10:30] <jelkner> we will not be able to use 192.168.0.x on the client side
[10:30] <jelkner> 192.168.0.x is already used on the LAN
[10:30] <ogra> thats ok with the fixed installer...
[10:30] <jelkner> cool!
[10:30] <ogra> just use something else and edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match the network settings....
[10:30] <jelkner> so i can select 192.168.1.254 as the server address and dhcp will be right?
[10:31] <ogra> (dont edit /etc/dhcpd.conf !)
[10:31] <jelkner> ok
[10:31] <ogra> nope, manual editing of the abpve file is required
[10:31] <ogra> mdz didnt accept my patch to autogenerate this file
[10:31] <jelkner> eventually, that will happen automagically, yes? ala K12-LTSP
[10:31] <ogra> yes
[10:32] <ogra> any i plan a gui to edit it afterwards too... for dapper
[10:32] <jelkner> very good
[10:32] <ogra> we can talk about needed features at UBZ :)
[10:32] <jelkner> one of the things i hope we can discuss in montreal is the release cycle for edubuntu
[10:33] <jelkner> we really need a once a year release
[10:33] <ogra> nope, we cant 
[10:33] <ogra> we are bound totally to ubuntu... 
[10:33] <jelkner> i have a proposal
[10:33] <jelkner> which i hope will satisfy everybody
[10:33] <ogra> but why not take every second 6 month release
[10:34] <jelkner> yes, that's what i'm hoping
[10:34] <ogra> so you got your 1 year release
[10:34] <jelkner> only we release a few months after dapper
[10:34] <ogra> but i still have to develop inside ubuntu
[10:34] <jelkner> so that we have time to fix edubuntu specific things
[10:34] <ogra> thats not possible
[10:34] <jelkner> and not change ubuntu, just build on it
[10:34] <jelkner> why?
[10:34] <jelkner> it is too rushed now
[10:35] <ogra> because we have no access to the build infrastructure after the release was made
[10:35] <ogra> it will be better next release
[10:35] <jelkner> if we had a fixed platform to build on, we could get the education specific things properly tested before they are released
[10:35] <jelkner> things like the ap csc meta package i'm hoping for
[10:35] <ogra> note that this time we started 2 months late and for one month there was no working base to build on
[10:35] <jelkner> ok, enough of that
[10:36] <jelkner> but i'm still going to raise it
[10:36] <jelkner> remember, i'm a volunteer, i can do these things ;-)
[10:36] <ogra> we simply cant move away from the ubuntu cycle, and i really wouldnt like to
[10:37] <ogra> imagine this cycle with 3 months more development time... thats nearly the amount i lost...
[10:37] <ogra> we have a good base now, tomorrows daily should be near the final...
[10:37] <jelkner> ok, let's just see how it goes
[10:38] <jelkner> if we can have a really good platform ready by dapper...
[10:38] <ogra> sure... 
[10:38] <jelkner> on saturday i got to look at an ltsp based solution aimed at libraries
[10:38] <jelkner> userful.com
[10:38] <ogra> it cant degrade from what we have now and the feedback i had so far was quite positive
[10:39] <jelkner> ???
[10:39] <ogra> yes, they are proprietary, i know them
[10:39] <jelkner> but they have what our librarian is asking for
[10:39] <ogra> multiseat systems ? 
[10:39] <ogra> ubuntu has this too
[10:39] <jelkner> local devices
[10:40] <ogra> err, multiseat systems hve no local devices afaik
[10:40] <jelkner> oliver, i've just met someone here who is eager to talk edubuntu stuff
[10:40] <ogra> or do they offer ltsp based solutions ? 
[10:41] <jelkner> yes
[10:41] <ogra> ah
[10:41] <jelkner> that's what they do
[10:41] <ogra> note that local devices was never a target for this release
[10:41] <jelkner> it is fedora based it think
[10:41] <jelkner> i know, i'm not complaining
[10:41] <jelkner> edubuntu rocks!
[10:41] <ogra> thanks :=)
[10:41] <jelkner> i'm just telling you what we need before it is fully ready
[10:42] <jelkner> local devices are going to be important
[10:42] <jelkner> as it is now, users can't save data
[10:42] <ogra> yes, and a right sound implementation
[10:42] <jelkner> that's a show stopper for our library installation
[10:42] <jelkner> indeed!
[10:42] <ogra> that two and a good ldap based user management are my main targets for dapper
[10:43] <jelkner> ok, i've gotta run
[10:43] <ogra> bye, thanks for the feedback :)
[10:43] <jelkner> thank you!
[12:02] <mhz_edu> arkanox_, recuerda: SL-5500, con GPE o Opie + 2 cunas USB + 2 protectores + 1 funda ---> $165.000
[12:03] <mhz_edu> arkanox_, para geeks, recuerda: SL-5500, con GPE o Opie + 1 cargador normal + 1 cargador viajero +  2 cunas USB + 2 protectores + 1 funda ---> $165.000