[12:02] <_verwilst> Riddell: ok? /me wants to go to bed :p
[12:06] <Riddell> verwilst: cool, thanks
[12:11] <_verwilst> Riddell: will ubuntu use ahavi?
[12:11] <_verwilst> avahi
[12:12] <_verwilst> oh, and will you include my pkgs in the kubuntu.org repo? :d
[12:12] <_verwilst> ( they are breezy pkgs btw )
[12:13] <Riddell> verwilst: yes, in dapper
[12:17] <_verwilst> ahah cool :d
[12:17] <_verwilst> and visibility too?
[12:19] <Riddell> yep
[12:19] <_verwilst> sweet :d
[12:19] <_verwilst> Riddell: so, do you like my debs? :p
[12:20] <Riddell> looking at them is still on my TODO list
[12:20] <_verwilst> ;)
[12:20] <_verwilst> let me know what you think eh!
[12:20] <_verwilst> i might to kdepim soon too
[12:20] <_verwilst> see ya!
[12:20] <Riddell> will do :)
[12:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_065.png
[12:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: hcirc irc-client, a bit too raw :p
[12:48] <Riddell> nothing wrong with good old   nc irc.freenode.net 6667
[12:49] <Tm_T> heh
[12:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: that client is made by my friend over 7(?) years ago
[12:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: I thought I will do some improvenments to it :)
[02:15] <m_tadeu> verwilst: any luck with that package?
[02:16] <jmg> hmm
[02:16] <jmg> anyone having problems with keyboard layouts?
[02:17] <m_tadeu> probably me...it never happened....what is it?
[02:18] <Tm_T> m_tadeu: stop using colours?
[02:18] <Tm_T> ah
[08:36] <janimo> does kubuntu use ivman, for detecting media insertion?
[09:51] <seaLne> err should libkorundum0-ruby1.8 really be trying to delete /usr/local?
[09:51] <seaLne> Preparing to replace libkorundum0-ruby1.8 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3.1 (using .../libkorundum0-ruby1.8_4%3a3.4.3-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[09:51] <seaLne> Unpacking replacement libkorundum0-ruby1.8 ...
[09:51] <seaLne> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/usr/local/lib': Directory not empty
[09:52] <seaLne> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/usr/local': Directory not empty
[09:53] <seaLne> but it is good that its now in /usr
[10:05] <seaLne> while i had a rebuilt version of libkorundum0-ruby1.8 that included the missing bits I'd assume that the same effect would have occured with the normal version
[10:58] <Tm_T> hi JakubS_ 
[10:58] <JakubS_> hello
[11:13] <CaiN_SA> hi Riddell 
[11:13] <CaiN_SA> you in ?
[11:23] <CaiN_SA> Riddell: ping
[11:25] <verwilst> anybody wanna test kdenetwork on breezy? ;)
[11:25] <verwilst> http://ubuntu.verwilst.be
[11:25] <verwilst> it's not a repo yet though :p
[11:25] <verwilst> ( 3.5 beta1 that is )
[11:28] <CaiN_SA> lol there is a bug with that on old version
[11:28] <CaiN_SA> dont know if you fixed it
[11:29] <CaiN_SA> or no im thinkin of something else
[11:39] <verwilst> uh?
[11:42] <CaiN_SA> nah dont worry
[11:42] <CaiN_SA> i am nuts
[11:57] <chmj> amu ? 
[12:00] <CaiN_SA> lol
[12:20] <amu> chmj: I /msg him, mail him, no re :/ 
[12:21] <chmj> :/
[12:24] <janimo> anybody knows about ivman's integration with kubuntu?
[12:40] <pef> hello
[01:07] <\sh> Riddell: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17390 <- do u have something in your pocket?
[01:15] <Riddell> \sh: it's a firefox problem, poke Ian
[01:15] <\sh> Riddell: see ubuntu-devel
[01:16] <\sh> Riddell: I'm checking the firefox package...
[01:34] <CaiN_SA> Riddell, may i pvt you plz
[01:34] <CaiN_SA> i need some info
[01:35] <CaiN_SA> charles said i must speak to you
[01:36] <Riddell> ca	ok
[01:37] <\sh> Riddell: what is the correct way? divert, conflicts? 
[01:38] <Riddell> \sh: divert I think
[01:38] <\sh> Riddell: how?
[01:39] <Riddell> amu: sorry, I'll get to you soon
[01:39] <Riddell> \sh: dpkg-divert I think
[01:53] <\sh> Riddell: so we change the symlink?
[01:54] <\sh> or I don't understand the manpage of dpkg-divert
[01:55] <Riddell> \sh: I'm not sure, I've never used it :)
[01:57] <\sh> aha
[01:57] <\sh> I just checked e.g. slocate for an example
[01:57] <\sh> dpkg-divert in preinst
[01:57] <Riddell> sounds about right
[01:58] <\sh> so something like this
[01:59] <\sh> dpkg-divert --package kubuntu-docs --divert /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html --rename /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-ubuntu.html
[01:59] <\sh> and then  setting the link via kubuntu-docs-5.10/debian/kubuntu-docs.links 
[02:00] <Riddell> groovy
[02:00] <Riddell> I'll add that when I upload the new kubuntu-docs
[02:00] <\sh> I need the korrect localtion of about-kubuntu.html
[02:00] <\sh> -k+c
[02:01] <\sh> I could test it here right now ;)
[02:02] <Riddell> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/index.html 
[02:02] <\sh> ok...and we need a postrm to remove the divert
[02:02] <\sh> rock..let's try 
[02:11] <verwilst> hmmm kopete from kde 3.5 beta looks nice :
[02:11] <verwilst> :$
[02:21] <\sh> hmmm...ok...building kubuntu-docs...lets check
[02:22] <\sh> Riddell: if this is working for me here on ubuntu/kubuntu mixed system, I'll send u an debdiff, can u check this out on a plain kubuntu-install?
[02:26] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[02:27] <\sh> damn...the other way around *grmpf*
[02:27] <\sh> fixing
[02:54] <\sh> and again :(
[02:56] <Riddell> amu: I havn't got any /msg from you, you need to identify your nick
[03:00] <\sh> strike
[03:01] <\sh> preinst works
[03:01] <\sh> postrm doesn
[03:01] <\sh> 't
[03:01] <Riddell> have you done it by hand?
[03:02] <\sh> well...I just got the syntax wrong ;)
[03:02] <\sh> i did it now by hand..works now...rebuilding the package
[03:03] <\sh> if you understand the manpage..it's fcking easy to do it ;)
[03:04] <\sh> the problem is only, when u install kubuntu-docs and you have an installed ubuntu-desktop with ubuntu-docs ;)
[03:04] <\sh> then it will divert the index.html link and you will get even in ubuntu a kubuntu homepage ;)
[03:05] <\sh> but please test it just now on a plain kubuntu install and I think I'll have to adjust some stuff when ubuntu-docs is installed
[03:06] <\sh> and this should be done for ubuntu-docs as well...
[03:07] <\sh> but i think not the ubuntu guys ;)
[03:08] <\sh> strike
[03:08] <Riddell> \sh: got a debdiff
[03:08] <\sh> sending to you just now :)
[03:09] <\sh> jriddell@riddell.com?
[03:09] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com but I prefer just a URL
[03:10] <\sh> too late :(
[03:10] <\sh> to the ubuntu.com
[03:12] <\sh> hmmm...
[03:19] <\sh> Riddell: u have it?
[03:22] <Riddell> yep, hang o
[03:22] <Riddell> on
[03:34] <Riddell> \sh: works great, I'll upload when I do the rest of the kubuntu-docs updates
[03:50] <\sh> Riddell: kewl
[03:51] <\sh> Riddell: I'll set http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17390 to pending upload and assign it to you, k?
[03:52] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[03:52] <\sh> fine :)
[04:55] <JRe> Riddell: #kubuntu-fr is active from now you can add it on the kubuntu website
[04:57] <Riddell> hello janimo 
[05:03] <janimo> Hey Riddell
[05:03] <janimo> I wanted to ask you about ivman integration in kubuntu
[05:03] <janimo> I am investigating using it with xfce
[05:04] <JRe> xubuntu ?
[05:04] <janimo> yes
[05:04] <janimo> so does kubuntu use ivman as the equivalent of gnome-volume-manager?
[05:05] <janimo> I just started playing with ivamn todat, don't know much about it
[05:05] <Riddell> janimo: yes, we use ivman for gnome-volume-manager equivalent
[05:05] <janimo> Any  kde side files that are modified to work with ivman?
[05:05] <Riddell> that may change with kde 3.5 since JRe's stiff replaces some of what we need ivman for
[05:05] <Riddell> janimo: /etc/ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml
[05:06] <Riddell> no kde stuff modified
[05:06] <Riddell> just ivman set up to launch the appropraite kde bits
[05:06] <janimo> Riddell, so what comes with the default ivman package is good to go regardless of DE?
[05:06] <janimo> oh let me check
[05:06] <Riddell> janimo: I can't remember what upstream ships with but I changed ivman to run KDE stuff
[05:06] <janimo> btw there a new upstream -they say it's a typo fix for pmount but you probably know that
[05:07] <janimo> ah I see now, kfmclient, kdialog, kscd
[05:08] <janimo> I wonder how I could do similar stuff for xfce without breaking the current status?
[05:08] <janimo> ie from the same package
[05:08] <JRe> sebas: are you the maintainer of guidance ?
[05:08] <Riddell> janimo: you could just do a dpkg-divert
[05:08] <janimo> aha, I need to learn about that
[05:09] <janimo> so that stuff is used for allubuntu derivatives
[05:09] <janimo> to set up slightly different defaults?
[05:09] <Riddell> janimo: which stuff?
[05:09] <janimo> dpkg-divert stuff
[05:10] <janimo> what is different between ubuntu and kubuntu apart from the package list?
[05:10] <janimo> I mean /etc settings and other configurable files
[05:10] <Riddell> janimo: nothing :)
[05:10] <janimo> cool :)
[05:10] <janimo> then you don;t actually use dpkg-divert for anything to override ubuntu defaults for kubuntu?
[05:11] <Riddell> janimo: what's the status of xubuntu?  do you have seeds and stuff?
[05:11] <janimo> Riddell, I mailed Kamion today about seeding
[05:11] <janimo> so he tells me what I have to do, as I am not sure
[05:11] <Riddell> janimo: only case where we need it is kubuntu-docs with a synlink to the file that firefox expects to find ubuntu-docs
[05:11] <Riddell> janimo: have you seen SeedManagement on wiki?
[05:11] <janimo> right, we need that too, as by default firefox tries that link and it;'s not there
[05:12] <janimo> I have read seed management a while ago
[05:12] <janimo> I may have to revisit that page
[05:12] <janimo> do you have permissions to modify the kubuntu seed list?
[05:12] <Riddell> janimo: I do
[05:12] <janimo> do you use germinate to generate it?
[05:13] <Riddell> janimo: I don't use germinate or build the CD that's all magic done by Kamion
[05:13] <janimo> I suppose something similar needs to be set up for xubuntu as well
[05:13] <Riddell> janimo: when we use launchpad the whole seed/germinate thing will probably change
[05:13] <janimo> aha so what do you actualy when you modify the seed list?
[05:13] <janimo> log in and change that wiki style text file?
[05:14] <Riddell> janimo: yes, baz update;  emacs desktop; baz commit
[05:14] <janimo> the do an update and a rebuild of the kubuntu-meta package?
[05:14] <Riddell> janimo: exactly
[05:14] <janimo> s you check out kamions branch and have commit right to the seed archive?
[05:15] <Riddell> janimo: yes
[05:15] <janimo> Riddell, thanks a lot
[05:15] <janimo> then Kamion will probably set me up these days
[05:15] <Riddell> I suspect kamion will be quite busy this week
[05:16] <janimo> I he told me he'll get to do this so I sent him a mail today
[05:16] <janimo> I am sure he's busy
[05:17] <janimo> a detail: don;t you have to conflict with ubnutu-docs if you provide a symlink with the same name as their index file?
[05:18] <janimo> if I understood correctly
[05:18] <Riddell> janimo: no because we use dpkg-divert
[05:18] <Riddell> or we will do in a few hours when I upload this package
[05:19] <Riddell> janimo: what's your e-mail?  I can bounce you this diff to kubuntu-docs \sh_away made
[05:19] <sebas> JRe: One of the developers, yes.
[05:22] <janimo> jani @ ubuntu.com
[05:31] <janimo> Riddell, got it thanks
[05:34] <amu> Riddell: running breezy on a minimac it shows sound is disabled, but sound works, next klaptop is enabled ... but i'm running a desktop :D
[08:37] <m_tadeu> verwilst: hi there
[08:37] <m_tadeu> verwilst: hi there :P
[09:17] <Tonio-> Riddell: last update caused a little issue with french encoding ;)
[09:17] <Tonio-> ??
[09:17] <Tonio-> doesn't work...
[09:18] <Riddell> Tonio-: update from what to what?
[09:20] <Tonio-> dist-upgrade, simply ;)
[09:20] <Tonio-> I think it has caused a little issue....
[09:27] <Tonio-> , okay that's better ;)
[09:28] <Riddell> Tonio-: what did you change?
[09:28] <Riddell> square boxes now instead of question marks
[09:29] <Tonio-> LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr"
[09:29] <Tonio-> LANG=fr_FR
[09:29] <Tonio-> I modified /etc/environment, adding then modified /etc/locale.gen
[09:29] <Tonio-> and then rebuilt with sudo locale-gen
[09:30] <Tonio-> Riddell: apparently the default config is really buggy.... but it'll be corrected, many people will send the bug, I have no doubt on this ;)
[09:31] <Tonio-> I will try on my second pc and if that bugs too, I'll post a bug report
[09:32] <Tonio-> Riddell: do you know if adept is ready for multilangage ?
[09:32] <Tonio-> I looked if it was possible to translate it into french but didn't found....
[09:36] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-sysadmin/
[09:36] <Riddell> nothing there
[09:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: will have ti wait for the next version maybe...
[09:40] <Riddell> by which time we should be rosetta support with any luck
[09:42] <allee> Riddell: why not ask mornfall to add the adept template and let kde trans teams do the work?
[09:43] <Riddell> allee: the trouble is that the template isn't being generated (something to do with the Makefile.am)
[09:43] <allee> Tonio-: there nothing stoping you to grab the gmo file start kbable and create a french translation ;)
[09:43] <Riddell> there is no gmo file
[09:44] <allee> Riddell: missing make messages target?
[09:44] <Tonio-> allee: here is the problem, no gmo file, I already searched but didn't found anything
[09:46] <allee> should be sort of easy to fix.  copy a messages: target for another kde app
[09:47] <allee> messages: rc.cpp
[09:47] <allee>         $(EXTRACTRC) `find . -name "*.ui"` >> rc.cpp
[09:47] <allee>         $(EXTRACTRC) `find . -name "*.rc"` >> rc.cpp
[09:47] <allee>         $(PREPARETIPS) > tips.cpp
[09:47] <allee>         LIST=`find . -name \*.h -o -name \*.hh -o -name \*.H -o -name \*.hxx -o -name \*.hpp -o -name \*.cpp -o -name \*.cc -o -name \*.cxx -o -name \*.ecpp -o -name \*.C`; \
[09:47] <allee>         if test -n "$$LIST"; then \
[09:47] <allee>                 $(XGETTEXT) $$LIST -o $(podir)/digikam.pot; \
[09:47] <allee>         fi
[09:47] <allee>         rm -f tips.cpp
[09:47] <allee> mhh maybe it's not the gmo but the pot file.  s/digikam/adept/
[09:47] <Tonio-> I'll have a look...
[09:49] <allee> oh, adept is a debian native pkg (aka no .diff)
[09:51] <Riddell> allee: yeah, don't ask me why
[09:52] <Riddell> how do I know what the .pot file should be called I wonder
[09:52] <allee> normaly <appname>.pot
[09:55] <Riddell> hmm, and what about libept
[09:57] <allee> if it has I18N the libept.pot.  One needs to adust the wildcards to match the right thing. I'll check digikamimageplugins with generates dozends of .pot files ...
[10:01] <allee> yeap, every <plugin>/Makefile.am in d-imageplugins has a messages target writing to $(podir)/<plugin-name>.pot
[10:02] <Riddell> ok
[10:03] <allee> I just learn that script runs messages targets in playground too
[10:04] <allee> Riddell: so kicking mornfall to add/commit should be enough
[10:04] <allee> oh, no mornfall here :(
[10:05] <Riddell> allee: I just committed it
[10:05] <Riddell> so we'll see tomorrow if I did it right
[10:05] <Riddell> but it'll be too late for breezy I'm afraid
[10:06] <allee> even a translation?
[10:06] <Riddell> yeah, no new features and adding translationing is a feature
[10:08] <allee> Riddell: not a but ;)
[10:09] <Mez> lo all
[10:09] <allee> btw. FWIW bin: adept-updater and adept_updater.pot.   Not about s/_/-/ ?!
[10:09] <allee> hi Mez 
[10:09] <allee> s/about/sure about/
[10:11] <Riddell> allee: I don't think so, it's adept_updater that's passed to KAboutData (same as icon name)
[10:16] <allee> Riddell: okay
[10:18] <_verwilst> hellow
[10:18] <_verwilst> Riddell: had the chance to checkout kdenetwork? :$
[10:19] <Riddell> verwilst: no :(
[10:19] <Riddell> too much breezy stuff
[10:19] <Riddell> maybe later today
[10:23] <Tonio-> allee: right !!! I forgot..... i'm gona do it right now
[10:23] <allee> Tonio-: thx a lot
[10:23] <Tonio-> no pb
[10:32] <Tonio-> allee: posted : https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=134488&atid=730104
[10:33] <allee> Tonio-: thx more to come?
[10:33] <allee> + :)
[10:36] <Tonio-> you mean ? Ho !! talking about refreshing quality link after scan ??
[10:38] <Riddell> I liked aseigo's posting to kde-devel about network tools
[10:38] <_verwilst> Riddell: hehe okido
[10:39] <_verwilst> in the meantime, i'm enjoying my new kopete ;)
[10:40] <allee> Tonio-: mhmm, yes. I vaguely remembering you to mention 3-4 bugs
[10:40] <Tonio-> I mensionned 2
[10:40] <Tonio-> but i don't know if the second one is a bug.....
[10:40] <allee> why not?
[10:40] <Tonio-> In fact link quality chances when rescanning, that's okay, but the value is according to me very low....
[10:41] <Tonio-> never more that 3.5/5 while i'm 20 inches from the access point..... and kwifimanager tells me 5/5....
[10:41] <allee> Tonio-: link quality changes but that no reason to hide this fact 
[10:42] <Tonio-> allee: okay, posting ;)
[10:42] <Tonio-> ;)
[10:43] <Tonio-> while I'm posting, allee did you already tried to rip and encode a cd using the konqueror kio_slave ?
[10:43] <Tonio-> it read at 1x on my machine and I was unable to find any way to set the speed....
[10:43] <allee> no, only once when it was a new featue
[10:44] <Tonio-> I'm not ripping a lot, but well I recently bought a few cds and that's slooooooooooooooooooooooow !
[10:45] <allee> Tonio-: 1x is not fun. agreed
[10:45] <allee> Riddell: [Bug 17489]  New: No translation of the modules in kde-systemsettings
[10:46] <allee> there are only 5 kcm_* po files on my system 
[10:46] <allee> is this a known bug of ripping translations out of kde-i18n-<lang>
[10:47] <Riddell> allee: the kde-systemsettings issue is a known one that's on my todo list for today, havn't looked further currently
[10:48] <allee> 'k I'll walk down kubuntu-bugs list then
[10:50] <Tonio-> allee: second bug posted, no need to pester anymore ^^
[10:51] <allee> Tonio-: thx.
[10:52] <Tonio-> allee: no pb
[10:54] <allee> Tonio-: did the link quality get ever updated after pressing 'rescan'
[10:55] <allee> +?
[10:55] <Tonio-> yep
[10:55] <Tonio-> let me test once again to be sure
[10:56] <Tonio-> allee: I can confirm you that it is updated, yes
[10:58] <allee> Tonio-: mhmm, okay. Seem I need some more tests ...
[11:40] <janimo> Riddell, ivman seems to need both hal and pmount but they're not in Depends: , but guess they are in the base so it does not matter that much
[11:41] <Riddell> janimo: hmm
[11:42] <Riddell> janimo: I'm happy to upload a fix if you give me the debdiff :)
[11:42] <janimo> I just installed it over ubuntu-minimal
[11:42] <janimo> ah ok, I will then
[11:42] <janimo> there's an upstream I am also looking at to see what their default configs are and it supposedly fixes a pmount related bug